"Die Menschwürde zählt, vereinfacht gesagt, zu den Grundrechten. Sie ist ein Abwehrrecht gegen Eingriffe des Staates. Niemand darf von staatlichen Organen zu einem bloßen Objekt staatlichen Handelns gemacht und seines Selbst beraubt werden; sein Leben ist nicht gegen das Leben anderer abwägbar (ausführliche Beschreibung: Wikipedia). Frau von der Leyen münzt das Abwehrrecht gegen den Staat in einen Handlungsauftrag des Staates um. Plötzlich ist die Menschenwürde ein Grund für staatliches Eingreifen – der Staat schützt die Menschenwürde seiner Bürger, indem er Dritten den Mund zuhält oder durch Stoppschilder dafür sorgt, dass sie im Internet nicht mehr gelesen, gesehen und gehört werden können. Das entfernt sich weit vom eigentlichen Sinn und Zweck des Grundrechts auf Menschenwürde. Wie absurd das Ganze ist, zeigt sich an von der Leyens Aussage, die Bewahrung der Menschenwürde begrenze Demokratie und Meinungsfreiheit auf das “richtige Maß”. So werden aus rechtsstaatlichen Grundelementen, die sich bedingen und ergänzen, Gegensätze."
- Stephan Linzner
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I was just sitting down to implement this very idea when I found this. I was actually going to put a udp proxy on the android that would connect to a remote openvpn server, there by bypassing any and all transparent proxying or whatever t-mobile does, but this is really similar.
- Andy Bakun
why not use the wifi tethering, so you can connect multiple devices to your phone and use it's 3g connection?? It's not encrypted but more useful and you can limit the access by extending the iptables script...
- Stephan Linzner
Link, or it doesn't exist. Plus, considering that I've spent the last two weeks configuring iptables at work, I know that iptables requires root, which I'm not interested in accessing on my phone. Multiple devices doesn't apply either, when I need tethering, I only have one device.
- Andy Bakun
This works, a speedtest indicates about 750k down and 110k up. Perfectly fine for internet access in a pinch. One thing I didn't try yet was running another openvn session over the openvpn session to the phone, so I can connect to the various restricted networks I need to access.
- Andy Bakun
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- Qbat
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I used twhirl all the time till I started using TweetDeck a week ago but now I'm back on twhirl
- Dennis R.
from twhirl
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
I'm shopping around for a second monitor just for twhirl.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
tweetdeck seems good, haven't invested enough time reallly to know, but initial impressions were good. Twhirl has good features, but UI is terrible.
- Sam
from twhirl
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use Thwirl 'cause they support Identi.ca, and I can use Identi.ca to post on twitter too. Otherwise i think TweetDeck is a better client for Twitter.
- Norbert Evenich
from twhirl
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
TweetDeck + real-time FriendFeed in a small browser window: best way to waste time on teh net.
- bnoise
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius Quadflieg
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
I would love to have all in real time browser windows. Think about FF meets socialthing - having friends not only from FF but also importing them from each service you have an account on.
- bnoise
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- Carolyn
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
Twhirl, because A) I don't have the money/extra hardware to donate to using tweetdeck full screen, and it annoys me to horizontally scroll and B) because I find the group function useless. I don't want to see every last tweet I just want trends, so groups just add more columns to watch. Only thing I liked about tweetdeck was twitscoop, great for watching for events.
- BCK
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Twhirl is much improved! Tweetdeck is too big and I don't like it.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Robert - interesting post but it doesn't sound like a war to me. Aren't both clients offering solutions to different problems?
- Iain Dodsworth
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
Just stumbled upon this post and want to add, that I found a way to sync TweetDeck groups betweed different machines using Dropbox and junctions. Just put the Appdata Directory of TweetDeck into Dropbox as a junction and on the other machine make a junction from the Dropbox directory into the Appdata directory. Quite geeky I know but that's how I keep different apps' settings in sync and it works well :)
- Dennis R.
moin haben auf unserem #blog auch #friendfeed eingebaut wobei ich zum live blogging eigentlich immer #twitter verwende und das irgendwie zu sehr ins Herz geschlossen hab LOL
- Stephan Linzner
@ryo hab unseren blog hier bei Friendfeed als blog verlinked, also in meinem Profil... gruß
- Stephan Linzner
"The ladder of participation in social media Jeremiah Owyang was kind enough to send me his slides from yesterday’s session on Social Media: Hype vs. Reality at Online Marketing World. I have tweaked the presentation of the information but the findings are Forrester’s."
- Stephan Linzner
from Bookmarklet
Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - News archive - News and events - Press and Information Office - LSE - http://www.lse.ac.uk/collect...
"Jedes Muster beschreibt ein Problem, das immer und immer wieder in unserer Umgebung auftritt, un des beschreibt den Kern der Lösung zu diesem Problem in einer Weise, dass man die Lösung Millionen von malen benutzen kann, ohn ejemals die gleiche Sache zweimal tun zu müssen" Alexander C. ("A Pattern Language"1977)
Krass das man sowas patentieren kann,fast die gleiche Zeichnung findet sich in Jochen Schillers "Mobilkommunikation" und das ist aus dem Jahre 2003
- Stephan Linzner
"I found this to be an important point in my own programming, and I don't know if that's a general point but quite often we see something and we are very tempted to say "Oh, this is a special case of a more general thing", and then we solve the general thing. However that is an infinite recursion, it's always the special case of something more general. And if you are always climbing up the tree into the more general thing you will eventually wind up with a PhD in computer science and no code." #quotes
- Stephan Linzner
from Bookmarklet
“citation of the day: "Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programers write code that humans can understand”” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
“citation of the day: "Every program has (at least) two purposes: The one for which it was written and another for which it wasn´t"” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
“citation of the day: "Every program has (at least) two purposes: The one for which it was written and another for which it wasn´t"” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Sieht so aus als ob sich seit der Design Panne die unique visitors massiv eingebrochen sind.
- Stephan Linzner
Ja, sieht nicht gut aus. Auch die Adsense Umsätz dort lassen zu wünschen übrig. Sehr Schade. Yigg gefällt mir immer noch um Längen besser als Webnews. Dass ich Infopirat am meisten mag, muss ich ja nicht sagen, wa? ^^
- ※Fu※
Das mit Digg (und vor allem mit Google & Digg) kannst Du Dir wohl vorerst abschreiben. Und ob das ganze dann wesentlich besser als bei Yigg/Webnews aussieht wage ich zu bezweifeln. Für reine Geek Bookmarks würde ich eh Hype! empfehlen. Bedienbarkeit bei Webnews gefällt mir GARnicht. Viel zu umständlich, dauert mir viel zu lange. Wenn es um das Suchen/Finden von Bookmarks geht, dann muss ich grade nochmal was eigenes loben (sorry): http://infopirat.com/deutsch... Feedback freut immer...
- ※Fu※
Ist die Zeit der URLs gezählt? - Von Oliver Wagner - URLs, Browser, Chrome, Query, Suchbox, Japan, Suchmaschinen, Schicht, Faktoren, IP-Adressen, Relevanzberechnung, Netz - agenturblog.de - http://www.agenturblog.de/2008-09...
ich nutze auch in Safari oder FF beide Felder gleichwertig: Adressleiste und Suchfeld. Die Kombination wie bei Chrome hat auf jeden Fall was: man spart sich einmal Drücken der Tab-Taste...
- Matthias Metze
from twhirl
ich finde es schon ein wenig bedenklich.. ich denke aber nicht, dass die url verschwinden wird
- Timo Heuer
Hostnamen waren eh nur 'ne Krücke für Leute, die sich keine IP-Adressen merken können.
- Thomas Frütel
URL´s werden bleiben, ich denke aber das sich hier die Terminologie der URI durchsetzen wird, weil sie für URL´s zu sehr dem alten Dokumenten Web anhängen. Ich denke man muss hier unterscheiden, die omnibox in chrome ermöglicht eine neue intelligentere Art der Suchstrategie seitens der Anbieter, die schon eher in die recommendation schiene geht. Zwar noch nicht sehr intelligent aber immerhin. Hier geht es hauptsächlich darum den Rezipienten bessere und vor allem zielgerichte Ergebnisse liefern zu können.
- Stephan Linzner
Das andere sind die URI´s, sie werden natürlich nicht verschwinden weil Sie ja letztendlich das Rückgrat der Internetadressierung bilden. Könnte sein das sich das mit IPv6 ändert, wobei ich da sehr skeptisch bin, das das in den nächsten 10 Jahren passieren wird. Wird sicherlich davon abhängen, wie schnell sich die mobilen clients bzw. mobiles Internet am Massenmarkt durchsetzt. Die URI ist jedenfalls unter IPv4 unverzichtbar weil Sie den Adressraum ins unendliche erweitert, da kann nicht mal IPv6 mithalten.
- Stephan Linzner
Ich kenne viele ältere Leute die auf Ihrer Startseite (google) statt in der adresszeile die url im google Fenster eingeben, und immer wenn se woanders hinwollen, auch das Verfahren nutzen, sehr witzig ;) schade das google dazu keine Statistik veröffentlicht !!
- Alexander Oelling
stimmt, meine mutter gibt "bahn.de" auch bei google ein ;)
- Timo Heuer
und dann gibt es unter den 42% die über die existens Bescheid wissen noch mind. 50% die nicht richtig verstehen was das ganze eigentlich ist und was es einem bringt...bin immer wieder erschrocken wenn ich mit non Tech Heros darüber rede...vor allem in Deutschland ist SN = StudiVZ
- Stephan Linzner