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Keith Coleman posted a link

Challenges of building modern web apps with all the browsers out there (thanks to everyone who made IE6 Gmail work!)

Friday at 2:00 pm - Link

Ihar Mahaniok, Varun Mahajan, Dustin, Niv and 12 other people liked this

I love this: "Over the last few months, we've been working with the IE engineers at Microsoft to address these issues: they released a critical update to their JavaScript implementation that fixed a performance problem with how the script engine allocates and frees memory." - Paul Buchheit

Perhaps Google won't bother addressing these challenges in future, and instead tailor everything for Chrome? - Slippy Lane

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No, things will have to work with ie6 for a long time, but what they can do is make some of the enhanced features be Chrome-only (things that aren't possible in other browsers). - Paul Buchheit

That's probably a much fairer assessment, given your exposure to the aforementioned, lol. In that case, then, I suppose it's up to the boys and girls at Microsoft and Mozilla to take advantage of the opportunity and get in on the action. I imagine they're already studying the guts of chrome as hard as they can :-) - Slippy Lane

Hopefully, we'll never see "to get this cool feature in Gmail, install Chrome". A plug-in like Gears is a reasonable requirement, though. - Ionut

I wonder if that IE fix addresses the problems we've been having. Does anybody know the KB article for it? - Gabe Schaffer

What is the issue Gabe? I believe the problem they fixed was with GC performance once there were a large number of objects. - Paul Buchheit

Here's the KB article: http://support.microsoft.com/k... - Keith Coleman

Paul: The problem is that after running for some time the app just becomes untenably slow. Our hypothesis was that the GC would run a collection on every allocation once there got to be too many objects, and we were exceeding that limit. I seem to recall you were quite skeptical at the time, Paul, because Gmail hadn't run into that problem. - Gabe Schaffer

ƃuɐʞ posted a link

The risks of using Google Maps

Friday at 11:55 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

Mandi, Chieze Okoye, Renato Albano, Lu Tao and 51 other people liked this

A more mindful Google Maps user can avoid crashing into the origin. - John Lam

immaterial shared an item on Google Reader

Classic WTF: Job Interview 2.0: Now With Riddles!

Friday at 6:24 am - Link

Ionut and Carl liked this

Bret Taylor posted a link

John Resig - JavaScript Performance Rundown

Wednesday at 10:41 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Ionut, Kevin Sablan, John Lam, Henry Precheur and 45 other people liked this

Interestig to see how adding DOM operations evens out John's benchmarks (first has DOM ops and Safari beats Chrome, second is Google's apparently slightly biased benchmark, which relies heavily on recursion). - Bret Taylor via Bookmarklet

Just Firefox - Saman

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It is time to optimize for DOM. Faster JavaScript is fantastic..... great for games and crypto.... but what about the real world? NOTE: Ray Cromwell's Chronoscope benchmark http://timepedia.blogspot.com/... - Dion Almaer

和我昨天的判断一样 - foxmachia via fftogo

yeah i made the point on DOM to the V8 team http://tinyurl.com/65clg2 - never got back to me on that one say maybe some truth to it :) - weblivz via twhirl

These tests are very insightful. I was initially very excited about Chrome being 10 times faster on javascript. As usual with any such claims (not just from Google), they are skewed. However, I do think that Chrome entering the market will cause all browsers to get better more rapidly. Competition does drive innovation. - Robert Felty

Thanks for sharing this detailed knowledge. Very useful. - Edwin Khodabakchian

we're working on DOM work now. believe that the tracing technique has applications; working on getting the DOM acting faster soon. - John Lilly

granted all beta-quality of Chrome and zero-day securiity bug, i think their current *speed* shows only lack of exception handling. Once it matures, it will be same or evenn worse than FF - it is tough to beat long-standing code without rounding corners on usual code glue... - silpol

Dan Fingal shared an item on Google Reader

YouTube - Disappearing Car Door

Thursday at 8:26 pm - Link

seth, Ionut, Jim Norris, Ross Miller and 2 other people liked this

Cool, no more door dings (if everyone had them). But what happens if you have an accident and there is no power, can you get out? - Chris White

Paul Buchheit posted a link

Brendan's Roadmap Updates: TraceMonkey Update

Wednesday at 8:52 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

Shafi Ahmed, Hassan Ibraheem, Ionut, Atul Arora and 8 other people liked this

"We win on the bit-banging, string, and regular expression benchmarks. We are around 4x faster at the SunSpider micro-benchmarks than V8. This graph does show V8 cleaning our clock on a couple of recursion-heavy tests. We have a plan, to trace recursion (not just tail recursion). We simply haven't had enough hours in the day to get to it, but it's "next"." - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet

Hmmmmmmmmm - Shawn Farner

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Woohoo! I was wondering how Chrome did on benchmarks they weren't optimizing for. I noticed that FF 3.1 builds weren't any faster than FF 3.0 for me on the V8 benchmark suite, but I think you have to enable TraceMonkey in about:config (set javascript.options.jit.content to true). It's not enabled by default because there are some bugs in the optimizer. - Amit Patel

Here's another real-world app comparison that takes SquirrelFish into account, too: http://tinyurl.com/5dv553 - Panagiotis Astithas

"We are not about to be braggy. ("Don't be braggy" is our motto here at Mozilla ;-) )" LOL - Karim

"We believe that Franz&Gal-style tracing has more "headroom" than less aggressively speculative approaches, due to its ability to specialize code, making variables constant and eliminating dead code and conditions at runtime, based on the latent types inherent in almost all JavaScript programs." - Jim Norris

Let's face it Chrome is out there and available to the main in the street, TraceMonkey isn't... - Andy Davies

Matt Cutts posted a message

“Ah, I forgot to pre-debunk the "Dude, Google claims that they own everything you do in Chrome!" conspiracy. Debunked that last night in a Mashable comment and then again this morning: http://bit.ly/2toGWg . Sheesh.”

Wednesday at 9:56 am - Link

Atul Arora, BeeLing, Shey, Jon-Paul Bussoli and 14 other people liked this

Chromium snapshots: http://build.chromium.org/buil... (the license is BSD) - Ionut

I also debunked this in my "common Chrome conspiracy theories" post at http://bit.ly/3CLLwe too. - Matt Cutts

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Thanks for setting us straight Matt! - Anne Haynes

When we are discussing legal documents, it's the verbiage that matters, not the intent. As long as clauses 11.1 and 11.2 are in the EULA, they have full effect. - Franci Penov

that is how Mozilla reads it and why they are not scared - Fred Grott

Thanks for setting people straight, Matt. It was so obvious that the EULA was a c/p job from another service that I never gave it a second thought, and I was utterly stunned that so many people lost their minds over it. Guess expecting common sense is just entirely too much to ask these days. - Vincent Ferrari

I have a feeling they actually launched Chrome too early and simply did not have time for such a stupid legal thing. Unfortunately for a company attracting attention like Google does it is something to avoid. - Svetlana Gladkova

why all the google bashing? Chrome SHOULD be a more secure browser than FF when Google is finished.. isn't it still in beta? hello? - paisley via twhirl

Yes Matt, but then why the legal language that says otherwise in the TOC? What Google say and what they did are two different things here and the law upholds what is written. - Sally Church

Most times I'm really glad I'm not in Matt's shoes. Other times i think it would be pretty neat to have 'a view' at the Plex :) - Charlie Anzman

Sally Church, that's why I'm glad we changed the TOS/EULA. - Matt Cutts

Lindsay Donaghe posted a link

Using Chrome to post content gives rights to that content to Google??

Wednesday at 8:57 am - via Reshare - Link

silpol, Walt Ruppar, Victor Ryden, Lisa L. Seifert and 12 other people liked this

This is a bit scary... I hope they fix or clarify this... - Lindsay Donaghe

Wait . . . seriously? I will totally remove if that is the case - Lindsey Smith

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Upon reading this and checking the EULA itself: Uninstalling. - Michael W. May

I'm going to go with Michael. - Lindsey Smith

I read the TOC's and didn't download this morning - Sally Church

Suggest you guys read Matt Cutts' piece yesterday before uninstalling http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/... can find similar stuff with almost any browser out there, in most cases worse - Charlie Anzman

I don't see how this addresses the TOC/EULA concerns. I can see what they were aiming for with the EULA language but I don't play around with my copyrights. Ever. - Lindsey Smith

this is the kind of EULA that sounds kinda bad but would almost never result in any of the horrors you are thinking of. Don't get me wrong, they should remove it... but I can't imagine what you really think will happen in the real world? - Stefan Hayden

I agree Stefan . . . in 99.999999999% of cases nothing will happen with it. But . . . - Lindsey Smith

I suspect this EULA term came about due to Google Picasa/Blogger/Pages/Sites, where Google really does require perpetual rotalty-free rights. - Denton Gentry

Wow, you give up rights to your pictures with Picasa? And content with Blogger? Glad I don't use either... - Lindsay Donaghe

Always assume that you're giving away the rights to anything you store on a Google Service, whether shared or not. It has ever been thus. This is just a step further on. I don't imagine Google is being evil, probably just protecting itself against frivolous yet damaging lawsuits. - Slippy Lane

Lindsay: I suspect that the Chrome EULA problem has nothing to do with Google going evil and everything to with cut-and-pasting from the Picasa / Blogger / Sites etc EULAs. - Tudor Bosman

@lindsay when @denton said "requires" I think he means it in a technical sense. They require the right to "redistribute" or "publish" royalty free because they need the right to render your content within a web page multiple times for as long as your content exists on their servers. It's a technicality that should probably be reworded, but no, Google is not trying to steal people's copyrights. I'm guessing as @denton said that this language is in Chrome to prepare for eventual picasa/blogger/etc integration - Jason B.

I'll agree to their intent but what you agree to as worded is what you are bound to. Rarely does intent work in your favor. - Lindsey Smith

and: (IANAL, but) you don't give up the rights to your pictures; you grant Google a license to display your pictures (according to the TOS of the particular service). This is to prevent someone from posting a picture on Picasa, and then trying to sue Google for displaying their picture to the whole wide world without paying them royalties (EDIT: what Jason B said). - Tudor Bosman

The deal is, Chrome is not a "service" it's an application... I don't upload anything TO Chrome... I use it to upload content to other services... but this seems to imply that using it as the transport mechanism also gives them rights to the content that I transport with it. - Lindsay Donaghe

read the fine print again its not just display rights as in other Google TOS's - Fred Grott

I think you all need to actually read the TOS. I quote: "11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." All they essentially want is the right to *republish* them. How else will it work? I don't see anything particularly troubling there. - Vinay | विनय

The right to republish your work is a core right of copyright laws. If they take the right to republish my work without monetary compensation then they publish it anywhere, make money off of it and you get bent over and screwed royally - Lindsey Smith

@lindsay The whole point of Chrome is for google to start blurring the line between service and application. Before long you're going to start seeing tighter and tighter integration of the browser with the service (especially when the browser and service are made by the same company). This TOS uproar is probably 80% prepping for future integrations, 10% bad cut/paste job from existing EULAs and 10% poorly researched articles being posted to The Register - Jason B.

Nonetheless Jason . . . I don't want to make a mistake based on Google's mistake. They cover their ass . . . I'm going to cover mine. - Lindsey Smith

If I understand correctly, Chrome's EULA is identical to Google Terms of Service ( http://www.google.com/accounts... ), which is a general document applicable to all Google services and products. The section quoted in the article is titled "Content license from you" and you'll find it in the TOS of almost any service that accepts user-generated content. Since Chrome is a browser and not a web service, I think that section is not applicable. If you are worried about licensing or if you want to get the latest build of Google Chrome, install Chromium, the open source project used to create Google Chrome. - Ionut

Chromium snapshots: http://build.chromium.org/buil... (the license is BSD) - Ionut

Lindsey, Google is asking for a "non-exclusive license to reproduce", which means that you do not lose the rights. - Vinay | विनय

also worry about hidden or obscure "features" that make it easier for Google to track queries and browsing behavior to "improve" the browsing experience - Wilma Stoneflint

Vinay, I don't want Google to have any rights to republish something I created simply because I decided to use their browser. - Lindsey Smith

*yawn* - Dieter Schwarz

@Jason this all TOS stuff is all about one thing -- it is not enough to use dataceners data to make money for Google shareholders, so they sprawl further down the customer... this is LITERALLY as if bank would find counting your money on your account at their bank as NOT ENOUGH to do business and draws your to count money in YOUR REAL POCKETS - silpol

FYI, as suspected, cut and paste error (or something similar), and already fixed. http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/f... - Tudor Bosman

Tony Ruscoe shared an item on Google Reader

Announcing Google's New Browser

Wednesday at 3:31 am - Link

Quote: "Because Google Chrome was not launched externally until today, we haven't yet changed Google Analytics to recognize it when you segment by browser within reports. However - this will change in the coming weeks (until then, the browser will show as Firefox). We'll let you know when the change happens." So Google Analytics has been lying to us? Did they pick Firefox so that it would look less suspicious that Safari and get lost in the other stats? - Tony Ruscoe

"The browser will show as Firefox". Why not Safari? I suppose not many people used it before launch. - Ionut

ⓞnor posted a link

Yay Hooray | Google Chrome

Tuesday at 11:01 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Hein Roehrig, Ruchira S. Datta, Chieze Okoye, Steve Weis and 3 other people liked this

Creative Commons at work. - ⓞnor via Bookmarklet

Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives http://creativecommons.org/lic... - Ionut

Well, that's no fun. - ⓞnor

The Goodger one is the best. - j1m

Some people see "Creative Commons" and think that means they're free to do whatever they like. Could it get away with being parody? - Tony Ruscoe

Tony Ruscoe shared an item on Google Reader

Add Inline Language Translation to your Website with Google AJAX API

September 2 at 8:23 am - Link

John Mueller liked this

The solution has at least two major bugs: it doesn't split the text into words and it doesn't have a way to properly merge the results from the asynchronous requests. So you'll almost certainly get bad results. - Ionut

TOMHTML shared an item on Google Reader

IE8 ne protège pas tant que ça la navigation “Inprivate”

September 1 at 4:34 am - Link

I can't reproduce this. Web pages visited in private browsing mode don't appear in cache or browser history. - Ionut

Ionut shared an item on Google Reader

Dear Google Streetview: I'm Ready for My Retake

September 1 at 3:32 am - Link

From the post: "In the interest of setting the record straight I think it's incumbent on Google to send their little camera van back around and get a more accurate photo of how the house looks today. After all, I invested a lot of my vacation time this summer getting the landscaping done out front and the house looking as it does today." - Ionut

Self-centered much? - Michael J Cohen

Likey. - Russellreno

I heard similar requests, but this is one is pretty funny... "I think it's incumbent on Google to send their little camera van back around and get a more accurate photo." - Ionut

Matt Cutts posted a message on Twitter

“Huh. Turn on "Suggested Sites" and IE8 sends your queries, surfing data, IP address and clicks to MSFT. Read http://bit.ly/24y5er closely.”

September 1 at 12:26 am - Link

HollowMarkeD, Dana Willhoit, Tapio Kulmala, Chris Martin and 9 other people liked this

"some information such as IP, browser type, regional and language settings" - one assumes they already know the browser type :-) - Alex Gawley

I couldn't figure out how they show the suggested sites when you visit https://ieonline.microsoft.com... . They don't use cookies or user accounts. - Ionut

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There are certain scenarios that require user data to be sent in order to make the user experience better, as suggested by http://tinyurl.com/3yue6c. Which if you read closely, discloses that Google collects exactly the same information if the user installs Google Toolbar and opts in particular features. - Franci Penov

Hi, Franci Penov! Remind me what part of MSFT you work at? I guess I thought that Google's disclosure at http://bit.ly/2Jiwrg with the big red capital letters and disclosure in the first sentence was more clear than MSFT's disclosure, which was buried deep in the IE8 privacy page. - Matt Cutts

Doesn't it say that it is the search provider which collects this data, and not the browser? That means it's more equivalent to the third bullet on this page. http://www.google.com/intl/en/... - David Owens

Ah ok, wrong bit... - David Owens

9 processes are loaded with the browser in Windows (No doubt toolbar type tracking processes). You can turn them off but it's not as easy or obvious as recent efforts by Google and Yahoo to opt out. - Charlie Anzman

hmm.. well you can find out this much information about visitors to your websites and blogs too. But if MSFT finds out this info, they're blasted? - Imran Hussain via feedalizr

Matt, I work on Windows Live Toolbar. :-) I have not seen the big red letter warning you point to, as I have not installed Google Toolbar (exactly because of the product I work on). But you could've just mention that you have a problem with the disclosure clarity. I'll make sure your feedback gets to the IE guys. - Franci Penov

http://tinyurl.com/6q9vou - Chrome Privacy Policy. Not as obvious as Google Toolbar big red letter warning; I personally had to dig a little bit around before I found it. I'd say about as clear and discoverable as IE8 Privacy policy you complained about. :-) - Franci Penov

Franci Penov, thanks for passing on my feedback to the IE guys. I don't think Google Chrome has anything to hide (e.g. it doesn't send your browsing info to Google as you surf the web). In fact, I just did a separate write-up on the communication between Chrome and Google. Read it at http://bit.ly/2jnBYZ - Matt Cutts

Imran, I think it's fair to point out that IE8 gives users virtually no disclosure that their wholesale surfing data (including queries done on other search engines) will be sent to Microsoft if they turn on this innocent-sounding feature. - Matt Cutts

@mattcutts the Google reputation manager? :) - HollowMarkeD

Ionut posted a link

Google Groups & search

August 30 at 4:07 pm - Link

The top web search result is much better: http://www.google.com/search?q... - Ionut

[Google Search Group]: http://groups.google.com/group... - Ionut

[Google News Group]: http://groups.google.com/group... - Ionut

Google OS Forum: Ionut posted a link

Migrating FeedBurner to Google Accounts

August 30 at 3:54 pm - Link

Tony Ruscoe liked this

Insteading of sending an email, you can now complete a form. "Migration will soon be offered as a self-service process." - Ionut

Just done this. They'd sorted it within an hour so. - Tony Ruscoe

Ionut posted a link

TinEye Image Search - Open Signup

August 30 at 3:50 pm - Link

immaterial and John Mueller liked this

" What is TinEye? TinEye is the first image search engine on the web to use image identification technology. You can submit an image to TinEye to find out where and how that image appears on the web, or to find modified or edited versions." - Ionut

Ionut posted a link

Truth In Advertising

August 30 at 2:18 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Paul Haahr liked this

"Spoof of the world of marketing - From Cannes Film Festival 2001 - Directed by Tim Hamilton". - Ionut via Bookmarklet

Ionut posted an entry on Google Operating System

Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 - IE Looks Good Again

August 30 at 10:10 am - Link

Aram Zucker-Scharff, Cristi, Denis and Varun Mahajan liked this

How many reboots does it take? - John Mueller

One. - Ionut

1 unless you count the one's when you roll back to IE7 - Steven Hodson

+1 steven - Michael J Cohen

3 for me. - John Mueller

Google OS Forum: Tony Ruscoe posted a message

“I don't think importing the comments feed here really works because comments get truncated and have no context until you click through.”

August 28 at 7:57 am - Link

Blogger truncates the comments to 50 characters. It would be nice to post them as FriendFeed comments, but I don't think it's possible. - Ionut

hunter walk favorited a video on YouTube

YouTube in 1985 (collab)

August 28 at 4:10 am - Link

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Ionut shared an item on Google Reader

Search experiments, large and small

August 26 at 12:54 pm - Link

Philipp Lenssen liked this

"We figure out what works by running experiments - tiny tests for a small number of users which help us determine whether that feature helps or hurts. At any given time, we run anywhere from 50 to 200 experiments on Google sites all over the world." - Ionut

Ionut posted a link

Apple's Steve Jobs: "Phelps Inspired and Invented the iPhone"

August 26 at 12:37 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Kevin Cearns, Rodrigo Jaroszewski and Tom Harrison liked this

"Steve Jobs held a press conference today and revealed that Michael Phelps was the inspiration behind the iPhone. Jobs said in a pre-written statement, "In early 2003 Michael Phelps approached me with the idea, and at first I was skeptical--not to mention perplexed as to even how such technology would be created. However, Phelps came with the idea, design, and even a prototype. After discussion with our engineers they said it was the beyond the scope of our labs." - Ionut via Bookmarklet

Big lols. - Rodrigo Jaroszewski

The blog is called: "Michael Phelps Saves Children" http://phelpssaveschildren.blo... - Ionut

Tudor Bosman posted a link

Googleplex: Google's food perks on the chopping block

August 25 at 8:40 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

Kirb and Anne Bouey liked this

"There's no such thing as a free dinner. A worker at Google tells us the company is taking evening meals off the menu: "Google has drastically cut back their budget on the culinary program. How is it affecting campus? No more dinner. No more tea trolley. No more snack attack in the afternoon."" - Tudor Bosman via Bookmarklet

Note that this is from Valleywag, I have no inside information and don't (yet) know whether it's for real or not. - Tudor Bosman

ⓞnor, do you work at Google or have friends there? - Philipp Lenssen

"The company told CNBC’s Jim Goldman this afternoon that the rumors, started yesterday by Valleywag, are completely untrue and that they don’t know where they came from." http://www.alleyinsider.com/20... - Ionut

I am shocked, shocked to discover that once again ValleyWag has got something wrong. I'd expect this sort of thing from random bloggers but ValleyWag employs professional journalists.</sarcasm> - Adewale Oshineye

Ionut posted a link

Gears for Safari (Beta)

August 26 at 1:28 am - Link

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Safari 3.1.1 under Mac OS X Tiger, version 10.4.11 or Leopard, version 10.5.3. Via http://www.golem.de/0808/61967... . - Ionut

Ionut shared an item on Google Reader

Using the W3C Geolocation API Specification today; Extending WhereAreYou

August 25 at 10:38 am - Link

Cool, but it didn't find my location. "Crap, I don't know. Good hiding!" - Ionut

Dion Almaer posted an entry on "dion" via Dion in Google Reader

Gears 0.4 is here!

August 22 at 12:15 am - Link

Kelly Norton, David Th, Stu Andrews, Ionut and 3 other people liked this

Gears 0.4 introduces the Geolocation API, a Blob API for binary data, and onprogress() events. Nice stuff. - DeWitt Clinton

More about the new Geolocation API here on the Google Code blog: http://google-code-updates.blo... - DeWitt Clinton

Ionut posted a link

Google Desktop APIs: Tip: Detect gadgets running in Linux

August 21 at 3:17 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Michael J Cohen liked this

"If you want to detect a Linux user, look for telltale signs such as stacks of O'Reilly books, an anti-MS worldview, and a stuffed penguin collection." - Ionut via Bookmarklet

Kevin Fox posted a message

“From a *Microsoft* recruiter's email this morning: "I came across your profile through our resume database (Google Search) and I will like to talk to you regarding our current openings." Seriously? Your resume database is Google Search? Points for honesty there...”

August 21 at 1:40 am - Link

Ihar Mahaniok, Micah Wittman, Mike Reynolds, Dan Hsiao and 29 other people liked this

I'm surprised it's not "Microsoft Live" search! (Note, I'm not actually surprised) - Cyrus Lendvay

I thought their resume database was the Google employee directory. - Amir Gharaat

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@Amir hahahaha - Josh

I don't think that they've ever managed to hire many people from Google though. Certainly the original push (when they were calling all of the engineers) was fruitless. - Paul Buchheit

Good luck on the interview, Kevin. Let us know how it goes. - DeWitt Clinton

why not to use http://www.msdewey.com/ - certainly nice HR representative ;) - silpol

I found hits to my resume from IPs inside MIcrosoft and Yahoo referred from Google Search pages... - Stuart Woodward

Carl shared an item on Google Reader

Geography Fail

August 19 at 8:01 am - Link

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http://answers.yahoo.com/quest... - Ionut