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the proxy that i'm behind blocks youtube... is this the kind of thing thats going to make me want to harm puppies? - Chris Hollander

THIS WAS SO COOL I SENT IT OUT TO EVERYONE - amelia arapoff

FriendFeed has certainly made it easier for each person to send this out to 5 friends! - Anne Bouey

Natalie Portman's got her hair back. Looking good - Josh Haley

"I've never done shit on drugs except...play Halo 2" LOL - Rahsheen™

ROCK THE VOTE DOT ORG - David Lynch

Tried to send it to my sister in the midwest, but she only has internet at work, and they block youtube. =( - Mandi

http://youtubeproxy.org/ - Dustin

438,000 views now. - Matt Cutts

i love reverse psychology - potamus

good one - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Is second degree message efficient... except for people who yet agree... - jfayel

my final thinking is it is too clever to be efficient - jfayel

468,783 views now. - imabonehead

Views: 855,261(17:06 EET 04.oct.08) - silpol

1,131,662 Views (10:00 Pacific 06.oct.08) - Steve Craft

yep. - MG Siegler

arrrrrr! - Veronica

If true, they should fire their ad company. I'm thinking Fark Dumbass tag for this one, if it's not already there. - steplow is Steve

oops - Mauricio

like ^100 - McCain's Buddy Tad

obviously couldn't resist writing this up even though i'm running late http://venturebeat.com/2008/09... - MG Siegler

I'm not surprised by this, but I am surprised that they would forget to wipe the metadata. If any company should know about dealing with metadata it should be Microsoft. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble

Love it. When you really want to creative work done, fire up the Mac. - Jason Kaneshiro

Countdown until the Macbots start scrambling to diminish the impact of these ads.. 3... 2... 1, - Sprague D

Buddy at MS just told me that 90% of their designers and other creative types use Macs and Adobe... - McCain's Buddy Tad

No huge surprise here but seriously MS, what are you doing!? - Nicholas Kreidberg

What? The creative folks at Microsoft use Macs? Makes sense to me. - Rob McNair-Huff

Same thing happened with the Vista print ads back in the day. - Veronica

I doubt the commercial was done in house - Alex "Maverick" Scoble

Isn't "back in the day" reserved for stuff that happened a long time ago? When did Vista come out? 2006? Damn I must be old. - Chris White

Does this also mean that their creative software engineers write Vista using Macs? :P - imabonehead

Or maybe someone has just taken screenshots with Mac and uploaded to web? Other parts of campaign (even the video) could have been made with Windows. - Daniel Schildt

It makes sense - most creative work is probably done on Macs these days. - Sally Church

I just made the point to @mathewi that chances are the project plans and time lines for the Apple ads were likely done on PCs using Microsoft Project (and if one were doing the Apple website, all the Info Architecture and wireframes would be done on PCs as well) - leigh himel

Nobody at Apple uses PCs. And I doubt the ad companies they use do either. - Chris White

pc's are fat and bloated , same as actor - johnpiercy via twhirl

@Chris your actually wrong about that - maybe not about Apple but definitely about their agencies - leigh himel

leigh, my mistake. Apple doesn't use PCs. Their ad companies use Macs for creative work, like everyone else. - Chris White

This thread just reinforces the Microsoft message. People are making a big deal out of the fact that marketing creatives -- a tiny sliver of the population -- use Macs, when most of the world uses Windows PCs. - Sprague D

Most of the world drives crappy cars too. That doesn't mean people shouldn't want to drive a nice one. - Chris White

Most Art Directors/Designers use Macs (Photoshop, Illustrator) but most client services people, IAs, tech people use PCS and Microsoft Tools such as Project, Excel, Powerpoint etc. (and for both of these I say most - there are always exceptions to the rule). It's kinda why i think the whole, the Microsoft ads were created by Macs thing is silly. - leigh himel

Photoshop, Illustrator, Excel, Powerpoint, Word, all run on both Macs & PCs, as does Windows. The MacOS is just more sophisticated, and the machines are generally better. - Chris White

No, but most design-y people buy that lie. Hook, line, sinker. - Jordan Hofker

Machines generally better? They all use the same hardware these days. The only difference between a Mac and a PC is the OS, in all reality. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble

and here's Hodgman using his iPhone in full view on public transit: http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/5... - Chris Kim A

So the processor is the only thing about a computer that is important? That's like saying the engine of a car is the only important thing. No leather seats, no nav system, or convertible top? Come on, the beauty is in the details. And, I guess I must be a "design-y" that doesn't understand technology. One that appreciates the ability to drop down into a real unix shell instead of having to run that cygwin crap. - Chris White

Am I the only Mac user that can't stand Mac users? - Andrew Smith

Not sure Andrew, but I don't dislike PC users. I worked at Microsoft for 3 years, and took a 5 year vacation from using Macs. - Chris White

@AndrewSmith I dunno, maybe it's just who I follow, but the Mac haters seem a whole lot more vocal than the Apple Fanboys in the last couple of years. - Chris Weiss via twhirl

MORE BREAKING NEWS... the agency receptionist uses a pc and the ceo has a blackberry... gripping stuff - James Tenniswood

We are in the process of transitioning our servers this afternoon to accommodate the new feature, so there may be a hiccup or two in the meantime :) - Bret Taylor

Here we go! - Andrew Trinh

woohoo!! - Tim Hoeck

Where is Rick Astley? http://friendfeed.s3.amazonaws... - Andrew Trinh

Fantastic! This is a huge, HUGE deal. Looking forward to seeing it in action. - AJ Kohn

OH yes! Thank you!! - Mona N. via fftogo

awesome - i see it :) - Zee from WeDoCreative

I'm wondering how it decides which entry to show and which to collapse. - Andrew Trinh

really cool... it's working now :) Is there any kind of priorities? Like FF entries take priority over Blogs, etc.. or is it first come, first served? - Tim Hoeck

hmm. first off, I <3 friendfeed. But I am kinda sad to see it go the way of all software getting more and more popular, it gets more and more complicated. I love the elegant simplicity of the V1 and hope that you guys can continue to improve the service and features while still maintaining the "light" and simple feel. I know we all struggle with it, but with every V2 product release I'm reminded of this general pattern in SW design. - jenna

I don't get how the duplicate feed works. If you look at the feed items for the two stories attached to this story, they don't have related links. Do they only show up on the home feed? Or does only the first story get the related links section? - Mark Trapp

The entry with the most recent discussion activity goes on top. - Bret Taylor

we don't need to use beta anymore :) new feature is totally awesome. thanks guys. - Baturalp Torun

(channelling corvida ...) awesomesauce! - Rob Diana

Better of discussion activity, having being put in the related entries will definitely kill that. - Andrew Trinh

Bret, awesome. Any chance of seeing this feature in contexts other than the main feed, like on profile pages and rooms? - Mark Trapp

What's the time length for dupe aggregation? A day? A week? A month? All time? - AJ Kohn

The feature will go live in profile pages and rooms soon. Rolling out this feature 100% will take a day or two, so right now, you will only see it on your home feed and friend lists, but we are actively working on transitioning our system so it is available everywhere. - Bret Taylor

Interesting: if you have something hidden, let's say all Google Reader entries without likes and comments, and that's the most recent activity for the link, the entire discussion goes from visible to hidden. Edit: cool, thanks Bret. - Mark Trapp

When will it be in the API? (I know, always the one with the stupid API questions) - Dustin

pretty cool that the feature is demonstrated immediately below this post - Jason Kaneshiro

so this means on those rare days ping.fm actually works, i won't dupes in my feed? - Faboo Mama

Cool..very cool - Britney Mason

Very cool feature, only problem will be Twitterers and their love for tinyURL - Cains

Cains: it detects tinyURL and other URL shorteners. It also groups reshares: *swoon* - Mark Trapp

Jawsome! - J·Phil·Glockner

Now that is impressive (Finally Calacanis will only take up 1 space when he makes an announcement) - Cains

+1 Cains - Zee from WeDoCreative

who does upgrades in the middle of the day? anyway, seems I am warming to the new layout pretty quickly. - Stewart Rogers

Hot damn - Christopher Galtenberg

What is the flash embed that is in the middle of the left hand side? - Sudhakar Chandra

Duplicate Detection - Yay! - Derek

Perhaps Google won't bother addressing these challenges in future, and instead tailor everything for Chrome? - Slippy Lane

No, things will have to work with ie6 for a long time, but what they can do is make some of the enhanced features be Chrome-only (things that aren't possible in other browsers). - Paul Buchheit

That's probably a much fairer assessment, given your exposure to the aforementioned, lol. In that case, then, I suppose it's up to the boys and girls at Microsoft and Mozilla to take advantage of the opportunity and get in on the action. I imagine they're already studying the guts of chrome as hard as they can :-) - Slippy Lane

Hopefully, we'll never see "to get this cool feature in Gmail, install Chrome". A plug-in like Gears is a reasonable requirement, though. - Ionut

I wonder if that IE fix addresses the problems we've been having. Does anybody know the KB article for it? - Gabe

What is the issue Gabe? I believe the problem they fixed was with GC performance once there were a large number of objects. - Paul Buchheit

Just Firefox - Saman

It is time to optimize for DOM. Faster JavaScript is fantastic..... great for games and crypto.... but what about the real world? NOTE: Ray Cromwell's Chronoscope benchmark http://timepedia.blogspot.com/... - Dion Almaer

和我昨天的判断一样 - foxmachia via fftogo

yeah i made the point on DOM to the V8 team http://tinyurl.com/65clg2 - never got back to me on that one say maybe some truth to it :) - weblivz via twhirl

These tests are very insightful. I was initially very excited about Chrome being 10 times faster on javascript. As usual with any such claims (not just from Google), they are skewed. However, I do think that Chrome entering the market will cause all browsers to get better more rapidly. Competition does drive innovation. - Robert Felty

Thanks for sharing this detailed knowledge. Very useful. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Hmmmmmmmmm - Shawn Farner

Woohoo! I was wondering how Chrome did on benchmarks they weren't optimizing for. I noticed that FF 3.1 builds weren't any faster than FF 3.0 for me on the V8 benchmark suite, but I think you have to enable TraceMonkey in about:config (set javascript.options.jit.content to true). It's not enabled by default because there are some bugs in the optimizer. - Amit Patel

Here's another real-world app comparison that takes SquirrelFish into account, too: http://tinyurl.com/5dv553 - Panagiotis Astithas

"We are not about to be braggy. ("Don't be braggy" is our motto here at Mozilla ;-) )" LOL - Karim

"We believe that Franz&Gal-style tracing has more "headroom" than less aggressively speculative approaches, due to its ability to specialize code, making variables constant and eliminating dead code and conditions at runtime, based on the latent types inherent in almost all JavaScript programs." - Jim Norris

I thought their resume database was the Google employee directory. - Amir Gharaat

@Amir hahahaha - Josh

I don't think that they've ever managed to hire many people from Google though. Certainly the original push (when they were calling all of the engineers) was fruitless. - Paul Buchheit

Good luck on the interview, Kevin. Let us know how it goes. - DeWitt Clinton

It reminds me how much I dislike JPG for screenshots :) - Paul Buchheit

It took me a while to figure out what was going on here, until I realized you'd Bookmarket-ed a blog post from *2004*! That's ancient history, man! - Paul Wilcox

Great to see you had a Prius label in 2004 :) - Roshan Vyas

I am so glad it hasn't changed. - Steve Rubel

There's something to be said for good clean design. Tweaks are fine but not major overhauls all the time. I've always liked this layout. - Al Stevens

it would be fun to see one of the early caribou screenshots for additional historic context :) - Natala Menezes

Natala, http://friendfeed.com/e/eeb5ed... - Paul Buchheit

Archive is nice :D it is very interesting to see the evolution. Thanks Paul :) - Harun Baris Bulut

I love the fact the delete button wasn't introduced yet. I tell people about this and they don't believe me - Derek Coatney

not being able to delete was a bit strange, I remember. - Josh Haley

Delete was there from day one -- it was just in the "more actions..." menu. - Paul Buchheit

Is there any important feature in today's Gmail that hasn't been envisioned from the beginning? - Ionut

That's an interesting question. I guess it depends on your definition of "important" and "beginning". In the very beginning, the only definite vision was to make something "better". However, pretty much everything in there today had been prototyped or at least talked about well before launch (see the chat integration in http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-c... for example). As usual, coming up with the ideas is easy, but fitting them cleanly into the product is hard. - Paul Buchheit

The funny part about this is I was being sort of snarky but didn't really mean for Kevin to post the thing about the bandwidth. I had a legacy server in the Google datacenter from the Blogger acquisition that I was using to host shellen.com and evhead.com. Kevin went ahead and made screenshots of that thread anyway. :) I got a few angry comments from people on my blog that I was 'stealing from Google'. This is why the internet needs a sarcasm mark. - Jason Shellen

Apparently Gmail had more, didn't it? - Alex Kapranoff

Who let them to take those screenshots :D ? - Harun Baris Bulut

How old is this? Who knows hows Chicago doing!?? - Jigar Mehta

It should be from Jan 2008. - Ionut

Didn't Google Calendar have just 113? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/... - Tony Ruscoe

How many does Google have? - Ian

is it really 113 ? then google receives a big WOW from me :D - Harun Baris Bulut

Even Google Reader had around 200 servers one year ago. - Ionut

People don't seem to understand that the smaller Google acquisitions (not YouTube, DoubleClick, etc) are generally for the people, not the product (or at least not the product as it is). - Paul Buchheit

@Paul, totally. I work with great people everyday and a lot of them came as part of an acquisition and I couldn't imagine some of my projects without them. - Jonathan Terleski

@Paul People often don't understand that because it's not made clear when the acquisition is announced. - Kevin D. White

+1 Kevin. If a service has users pre-acquisition and the intention is that the service will be mothballed and the engineers re-distributed then that intention should be made clear to the users. I believe that Grand Central will eventually open up again, but Jaiku? And what's FeedBurner done lately? - Kevin Fox

@Kevin Given that all 3 services you've mentioned are working just fine and serving their existing users I'm not sure what more could be expected of them. Given that Google doesn't pre-announce stuff all you can know is that these things are still working. I think we all know better than to believe that because there are no user-facing changes or dramatic announcements that a service is dead. Sadly many of the pundits don't build software and so think that if you go more than a few months without feeding - Adewale Oshineye

the hype machine then you must be dead. There's no real way to refute these sorts of allegations without making thing worse. It's like being asked "when did you stop beating your wife?" - Adewale Oshineye

@Adewale: Sorry for any confusion. I wasn't making an allegation, I was raising a question. I honestly don't know what's going on at Jaiku, but I do know there are products that have been bought and augmented, products that have been bought, torn apart, and re-worked into other services, and products that have been bought for talent, where the service was mothballed and I'm openly wondering which category Jaiku and FeedBurner will end up in. Also, I would suggest that a social network service that has closed signups isn't "working just fine and serving their existing users" but that's not the point I was trying to make. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. - Kevin Fox

As long as people understand that there is a difference between when they see on the outside and what is really happening on the inside. Obviously I can't comment on some stuff simply because it isn't public. But I appreciate that perception matters, of course. And vice versa, the public should appreciate that they're only seeing one part of what is going on. - DeWitt Clinton

@Kevin I can't speak for FeedBurner or even Jaiku. However the best way to learn what's going on with Jaiku is to join the site and follow jyri/teemu/termie. Drop me an email on adewale at gmail and I'll send you an invite if you don't already have an account. - Adewale Oshineye

@adewale, in your comment to Kevin, you said that these services were "working just fine." Maybe you don't use any of those services, or you have a very loose definition of what "just fine" is. These services are slowly being mothballed and deconstructed bit by bit. That is NOT fine. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Google used to define innovation now they simply stifle it. Their motto: If you can't beat em, buy em and bury them in the backyard. - Matt Shaulis

Matt, I'll play Devil's advocate: What did Google ever innovate? They weren't the first search engine. They weren't the first company to sell CPC ads by auction. They weren't the first to do web mail, online documents, web video, IM, blogging, wikis, or any number of other things. Google's strengths are making incremental, yet essential, improvements and doing it on an unheard of scale. Immunity to Not Invented Here syndrome is a positive. - Steve Weis

Everything is incremental. Products don't have to be entirely new in order to be innovative, and in fact an entirely new product would probably be completely incomprehensible. - Paul Buchheit

Call me biased, but I still think Google Maps was a damned awesome launch. If you want to talk about acquisition success stories, you can't get much better than that. Not every acquisition works, but I think Google has got a way better track record than most, including some total home runs. - ⓞnor

Yeah, Google Maps was great, though the acquired product was actually a windows client, so it's also a good example of changing the product direction post-acquisition (for the better). - P