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Fwd: Should you be tweeting? - http://www.hubmed.org/display... (via http://friendfeed.com/ff-for-...)
Hope Leman, Sandeep Gautam, rowlikeagirl and 20 other people liked this
No mention of friendfeed, so what about writing a correspondence piece on this? It could be based on http://ff4s-paper.wikidot.com/start and perhaps also put the recent NIH grant for a "Facebook for Scientists" ( http://ff.im/beKk7 ) in perspective by providing an overview over existing tools along these lines and why they are not widely used.
- Daniel Mietchen
http://www.cell.com/authors... / Correspondence: "The Correspondence format provides our readers with the opportunity to respond to an article in Cell—either a research article or Leading Edge article—that has been published within the last 2 months. Correspondence should be no more than 900 words in length with up to five references and should be of interest to the broad...
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- Daniel Mietchen
Now that sounds like a good idea! I'm all for it - especially mention the gazillion "facbook for scientists" already out there.
- Björn Brembs
I gave it a start at http://etherpad.com/Microbl... - feel free to join in!
- Daniel Mietchen
Added some stuff...
- Björn Brembs
333 words so far, and once the generic FF description and some highlights from the spreadsheet are in, we will be near the limit. So probably no time to dwell on fb4sci, though I would still like to mention the NIH grant in the hope that those people will build on the ideas we lay out.
- Daniel Mietchen
Maybe steer away from a "but we want to talk about friendfeed" towards more "there is a much richer set of tools out there...and here is a good example..."? Might mean the Fb4Sci stuff can get squeezed in?
- Cameron Neylon
I would actually prefer the Fb4Sci stuff in there, and the article would be more balanced if we were to name a few more services that offer microblogging (I listed some in the Organization part of the document). FF can then be described in two sentences as a particularly useful example because it provides hierarchies of threaded conversations in which the most current and the most popular entries compete for the top of attention.
- Daniel Mietchen
Correspondence has to be submitted within two months, so we got four weeks to go if we are to submit something on the matter. Perhaps we can indeed expand this into a general overview on the potential of web 2.0 stuff for science. To this end, I just started a vote on the "open science breakthrough of the year" at http://ff.im/cidKG .
- Daniel Mietchen
thanks guys - a very interesting read (the paper, these responses, the etherpad document). I've added a couple of possibly-relevant points to the etherpad doc. :)
- Allyson Lister
...bumping to remind me to try and do something about this before deadline...
- Cameron Neylon
To those coordinating this: let me know if you need any extra help with anything...
- Allyson Lister
Allyson, help with shortening the FF part and with adding in something on the non-FF alternatives would certainly do something good to push things forward at this stage. Thanks!
- Daniel Mietchen
Edited a bit and tried to merge the new contributions into the draft. The word count for the FF part now stands at ~570 excluding FF real science examples. I still don't see how we can give an overview of more than one of these services and accomplish anything better than a boring enumeration without spirit. On the contrary, people will just get the impression that scientists can't make...
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- Björn Brembs
Correction: 660 words... :-)
- Björn Brembs
See also Jean-Claude's stylesheet about FriendFeed + Science ? FFscience: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Thanks, Pierre, was already mentioned. Just added some examples from this spreadsheet. Word count is now at 760. Tasks remaining (if you agree on the general structure): polishing and final, concluding paragraph. Tasks remaining if you don't agree: re-write :-)
- Björn Brembs
have removed a few words, tightened things up. will do more as time permits
- Allyson Lister
Getting there ... >800 words.
- Björn Brembs
953, so some trimming needed. Mentioned the NIH grant in the roundup section. Which references to take?
- Daniel Mietchen
Good job, Daniel! I think the references are fairly clear, most of them are in the text already (i.e., papers from FF). We have until December 30 to get it all finalized, so we have some time, but I'd rather get it there sooner than later. I think a few more runs of polishing and honing and we should get the final author list together and submit. I suggest everybody who wants to be an author leave the URL to their FFfeed at the end, that way readers get an idea of what FF looks like.
- Björn Brembs
What about signing with a group pseudonym (something like D H J Polymath; http://arxiv.org/find... ) and a link to this thread or the etherpad?
- Daniel Mietchen
I have inquired with them whether links count as references.
- Daniel Mietchen
@Daniel as a pseudonym, I suggest to use what Deepak calls the "BioGang" http://openwetware.org/wiki... http://www.linkedin.com/groups...
- Pierre Lindenbaum
What about the title? "Should you be sharing science online?" would be my favourite but it is not reflective of the current emphasis. Any suggestions?
- Daniel Mietchen
Pierre - good one. Perhaps add FF as initials?
- Daniel Mietchen
BTW, the doi does not resolve - anybody has the correct one?
- Björn Brembs
895 words...
- Björn Brembs
I like Clay's idea for a title: "It's not information overflow, it's filter failure " :)
- Allyson Lister
884 words, and a few more slight tweaks. This means we could probably fit an entire sentence about other approaches' existence, if we wanted :)
- Allyson Lister
Björn - http://dx.doi.org/10... .
- Daniel Mietchen
@Allyson: awesome! @daniel, sorry, meant this one: http://dx.doi.org/10...)
- Björn Brembs
Added ref 4: the NAR paper ( http://tinyurl.com/mr5kvm )
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Right now this sentence is a mixture of DOIs & links: which to use? : "Such conference coverage has even received direct (e.g. ISMB09 http://www.iscb.org/ismbecc..., BioSysBio09 http://dx.doi.org/10...) or indirect (e.g. ISMB08) support from the conference organizers, see e.g. http://friendfeed.com/ismbecc... ." We can convert them all to links, & save some of the 5 publications, but all three examples here have papers associated with them (well, ISMB09 paper is accepted)
- Allyson Lister
Ah - actually it looks like the ref we would use for ISMB08 is actually ref 1 - am I correct? There isn't much detail in ref 1 yet. That could solve part of the problem
- Allyson Lister
I'd also like to find that out, but the DOI does not resolve (for me?). Haven't looked at ref1 yet, to determine if it's redundant.
- Björn Brembs
The DOI, if intact, should point to http://genomebiology.com/2009... , which is behind the paywall for me but perhaps Allyson can give us a hint ;-)
- Daniel Mietchen
Sorry - yes, @Daniel, the DOI seems broken, but the genomebiology link is the correct one. If we're limited for references, we could just link to the FF room, which is http://friendfeed.com/biosysb...
- Allyson Lister
We have 5 references and thus I added Allyson's to make it 5 :-)
- Björn Brembs
Question as to whether its advisable to include reference to the RW room. I think someone raised this somewhere but I can't see the discussion now.
- Cameron Neylon
Otherwise made a few very minor changes
- Cameron Neylon
I'm about adding a ref to O'Reilly/"Beautiful Data". The collaboration for this book started here: http://friendfeed.com/fgibson...
- Pierre Lindenbaum
@Cameron - yep, a few of us have brought up that point (me and michael and some others I think in the etherpad doc). I'm happy to go with whatever the owners of the room, or the general consensus, wants :)
- Allyson Lister
Cameron, do you have a reference for the second grant? I am only aware of http://www.labgrab.com/users... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Added mention of polymath project.
- Daniel Mietchen
Found reference mentioning both grants: http://www.nih.gov/news... .
- Daniel Mietchen
RW room discussion is in the header of the document. IMHO there are several crucial reasons for finally going public: it's a grey area probably still fair use; more subscribers mean more access; readers will see the usefulness of this room, even if they don't get any of the other features; the kinds of hoops we have to jump through to get access need to be made public and the room has a significant record now.
- Björn Brembs
I think we need to drop ref 6 since we only have 5 and it's not a journal article, correct?
- Björn Brembs
With Etherpad deleting everything by March 31, we should think of ways to archive existing pads - particularly relevant for this one, as it was meant to be citable. As far as I can tell, none of the currently available options preserves the version history, so if we want to have that, we should do a screencast.
- Daniel Mietchen
Indeed, we need to think of something!
- Björn Brembs
Incidentally, the threat of such services disappearing certainly contributes to the hesitation of people to adopt social networks, and the best ways I see to cope with that problem is to have either open standards on data portability, or - better still - social networks (or at least one of the most suitable ones) that are built entirely open source platforms, with open configuration (and of course data portability too). Any suggestions on whether and how this could fit into the concluding paragraph?
- Daniel Mietchen
Isn't it already in there, sort of? Where we write that these tools are in development and NIH funded?
- Björn Brembs
from iPhone
Haven't seen mention of open source and open standards in the news on these NIH grants, so it may be worth making more clear that this is needed.
- Daniel Mietchen
Interesting turn: Etherpad will remain operative until at least when they release their source code. http://etherpad.com/ep... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Upon feedback from Graham, I took the RW reference out. Still think some mention of Open Source would be good. http://www.nih.gov/news... does not mention it. 816 words.
- Daniel Mietchen
Can we be part of that feedback, please? I find the RW functionality so convincing for non-social web users that I fear the whole article might be wasted, i.e, preaching to the converted, without this component.
- Björn Brembs
It was in a DM that I just forwarded to you (dunno whether that works), and I asked him to comment here too.
- Daniel Mietchen
Did anyone manage to do a screencast? I could try and do that today if its useful? But maybe better to wait until you feel is finished?
- Cameron Neylon
I think we should wait until it's basically submitted.
- Björn Brembs
@Daniel: DM was blocked (private).
- Björn Brembs
Nothing wrong in testing, otherwise I'd also wait till it's submitted. @Björn - sent you screenshot.
- Daniel Mietchen
I'll comment once I get back form work (only have internet access here during lunch hour).
- Graham Steel
Right. 1) Having consulted with Bill, we have (the same) mixed views vis a vis raising the visibility of the RW room. 2) We don't feel that we "own" the room though, it belongs to everyone who uses it. 3) We agree that a poll should be set up for subscribers of the RW room to vote on the issue of whether or not they feel it appropriate to raise visilbility of the room outwith FF. 4) The poll is http://www.micropoll.com/akira... and I'll post a link to it in the RW room shortly.
- Graham Steel
Apart from inclusion of the RW room, the title has not been decided yet. Two suggestions are in there now (I threw away my older one).
- Daniel Mietchen
Also, what about the "like=bookmark" discussion? I would like to see that paragraph go back in.
- Daniel Mietchen
I thought that like=bookmark was clear from the context? If not, then it should be easy to add a sentence to make it explicit.
- Björn Brembs
Björn - see chat bar - Michael was not comfortable with the notion. Any other opinions? Also turned Shirky quote from title to quote and set the title to "Social filtering of scientific information - a view beyond Twitter".
- Daniel Mietchen
Besides, FF search has now been unusably slow for weeks, so I wonder whether we should take this formerly excellent feature off the draft. See also http://ff.im/cO3Jw .
- Daniel Mietchen
Two weeks left to submit. I plan to do it on Sat (Dec 19) around noon UTC. Still to address: RW room and perhaps ephemerality of non-Open Source services like FF. I think I saw somewhere that FF have released (part of) their source code, or plan to do so. Anyone know details?
- Daniel Mietchen
Added "the permanence of services whose source code is not public" as an unresolved issue. brushing welcome. What about the RW room?
- Daniel Mietchen
Also, authors need to identify themselves in the document, or they will be missed. Academic affiliations and FF feeds, please!
- Björn Brembs
Like the current version a lot! Also the source code permanence point was important! We should get it ready, clear authorship and author order. My suggestion is Daniel in front, me in the back and whoever feels should have a place in the middle, but I'm flexible (or does author order matter here at all?). From Bill's argument, we should leave the reference to the RW room in, but I'm also flexible there. If there are no storms of protest now, let's keep it the way it is.
- Björn Brembs
I did some more brushing - 899 words now without the title (spot landing). As for authoring, I would really like to go for a group pseudonym (as explained above), but the submission process will probably ask for the usual contact information (incl. email) anyway. Order does not matter to me. Will check back in about 36h, with the intention to submit.
- Daniel Mietchen
I was only pointing out that if you mention the RW room at all, you might as well name it. The poll stands at 41 votes (~25% representation, but it seems to me that there aren't many more than 41 really active contributors/users). The tally is No - 56%; Yes - 32%; Unsure - 12%. I don't think the piece loses much by deleting the mention of the RW room, and it seems to me that the users prefer to continue to keep quiet for now.
- Bill Hooker
I tend to agree with Bill. It seems to me that mentioning (and in doing so effectively naming) the RW room is not what users (that cared to vote) want FULL STOP
- Jan Wessnitzer
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(1) The point of the letter is to attract scientists who are not using social media for their work to FF. As far as I can tell, the one single thing that everybody can profit from that doesn't already exist in mailinglists etc. is the sharing of papers. Moreover, this is also the one single aspect that touches every single reader, as nobody has access to all the literature. So while it...
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- Björn Brembs
(2) This has been mentioned before, but I see no reason why one would have any interest other than supporting closed access, in keeping quiet. The purpose of the room clearly is to 'document', so nobody in his/her right mind would think that their actions remain anonymous. This means that everybody participating must have been well aware that one day this documentation will be...
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- Björn Brembs
(3) I have now voted often enough to skew the results to more than 50% 'yes'. Who can verify that this has not occurred before, on the 'no' side?
- Björn Brembs
Bjoern, I do agree with your arguments. W.r.t. (3), I was merely trying to argue that the vote should be respected (if it were representative). Allowing multiple votes clearly screwed that up beyond repair! ;)
- Jan Wessnitzer
BTW, I voted 'yes' and maybe the only way to do this now is to vote openly here in the Forum!
- Jan Wessnitzer
@Bjoern: "I see no reason why one would have any interest other than supporting closed access, in keeping quiet" -- are you going to pay my legal bills for me, if I get sued? That's a completely serious question. I'm one of the heaviest suppliers of papers in the room -- if anyone is targeted, I certainly will be. I have said many times that I don't think I am doing anything wrong OR...
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- Bill Hooker
@Bjoern, cont'd: I see no reason to think that (before you fucked it up :-) ) the vote was not representative, which means that most of the RW room users were less willing than you to take up arms against their closed-access oppressors. Judge that as you will, my friend, but some of us have limited resources. If even one publisher sends even one cease-and-desist letter to FriendFeed we...
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- Bill Hooker
@Bjoern, cont'd: I fucking HATE that I have to make this calculation. I would rather publish and be damned -- if the publishers do send lawyers, mount an international campaign in defense of the room and its users and bring their shitty empire crashing down around their beancounting ears. But I have my newly acquired all-American cowardice to consider: I have no health insurance and my...
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- Bill Hooker
P.S. I do not really think I can be accused of "supporting closed access"... merely of refusing to fight it to -- not my, but my family's -- last drop of cash...
- Bill Hooker
Bjoern, I will add that any librarians in this room (and I am not the only one) may have a professional interest in keeping mum. We are pathologically helpful folk, so it's hard to resist sending papers -- but we also belong to a profession that looks incredibly askance at even a HINT of copyright-related impropriety. Are you willing to lose me my job over this? Like Bill's, completely serious question. Remember also that my job is intimately OA-related.
- D0r0th34
I cannot sit here and say nothing in light of recent input. I'll be brief simply by saying, 'as Bill and D0r0th34 say(s)'. I too am not willing to put my livelyhood on the line over this (single) issue. All my (OA) eggs in one basket re. this one? I think not.
- Graham Steel
Just a couple of points. (1) I'd assumed that most or all contributors voted in good faith, i.e. once, on this issue. (2) Having read through the draft at etherpad, I think it reads as a good summary of the utility of FF, with or without the mention of RW room (which is only one small paragraph). Is this one aspect really so important, really such a major component of the FF science experience? I think our interactions and discussions are much more important and interesting.
- Neil Saunders
IMHO, the 'no' voters here are blowing the matter way out of proportion. I'll try and put it back into proportion, which may or may not work :-)
- Björn Brembs
@Neil: Good point. I think it may not be all that much of FF for us, but for people not using social media for their work, it may well be *the only* useful thing they can see in this article. That's one of the reasons I'm fighting for it to remain in the letter. I agree, for anybody who is already using this technology, the RW room may only be a minor benefit, compared to the rest of the features.
- Björn Brembs
To all those who "are not willing to put their livelihoods on the line": what part of "document" did you not understand when you signed up? Bill used the right description for this kind of behavior: cowardice. But if you really think our little room of 40 scientists with inadequate access to scientific literature will wake a sleeping giant, I have several additional accurate descriptions.
- Björn Brembs
(1) Delusion. If you really think someone like Elsevier is risking their 800 millions annual profit in tax payer money by going after people who can barely support themselves, you must be deluded. The music industry doesn't have any profits left to lose, but publishers do. They wouldn't be making record profits during the worst financial crisis in 80 years if they really were so stupid to go after us.
- Björn Brembs
(2) Stockholm syndrome. How many salaries and healthcare plans could you pay from 800 million each year from Elsevier alone? Basically, these guys take your salary and your healthcare and then hold you ransom to shut up and keep your head down - and in response you have nothing better to do than to defend that behavior and cozy up with your captors? You must be the only ones who can see any shred of sanity in such behavior.
- Björn Brembs
(3) Hypocrisy. Isn't it hypocritical to oppose a regime on the surface but then support it when real action needs to be taken? Isn't it ironic that a German is arguing for and volunteering to putting your actions where your mouth is and Americans are arguing in favor of personal safety long before any hint of a serious threat is even perceivable?
- Björn Brembs
(4) Paranoia. There is no precedence of any publisher going after individuals. Publishers have much more to lose than we. Thus, the only potential threat is purely in your minds. There isn't even the slightest hint of any hazard for any one of us on the horizon, yet you defend yourselves against imaginary future actions of your oppressors. More than any of the above, this paranoia...
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- Björn Brembs
(5) Documentation. This thread, more than any number of exchanged papers documents how bad corporate publishers are for the scientific community. Their stranglehold on the community stifles freedom and liberty, intimidates all community members to the point that they delude themselves, develop paranoia and act hypocritically. I think this thread documents more than anything else in this...
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- Björn Brembs
(6) Anticipatory obedience. It is a well-known consequence of dictatorships around the world that individuals in these dictatorships support the dictator even if there is no explicit force, merely because they imagine some bad consequence for themselves or their family if they wouldn't support the dictator. In Germany, every child is raised with what the term 'anticipatory obedience' means. We are being taught how it works to stop all potential threats to democracy at the roots.
- Björn Brembs
1) Elsevier has lawyers on retainer, sending a take down letter costs them very little and makes a point - compare to RIAA - how many college students did they take to court? they are actually legally in their right so you would lose without even a trial 4) it's not paranoia if they really are after you. There is a precedence - in the OSTP letters someone complained about ACM going after a Taiwanese grad student
- Christina Pikas
Björn, don't take this for more than the friendly advice that it is: I don't think it will win over many people in a debate (or win you many friends) to accuse those who are not willing to publicly encourage illegal activities of suffering from delusions, Stockholm syndrome, hypocrisy, and paranoia.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
Bjorn, you have lost my respect. I am blocking you and leaving this room. My email is findable if you care to apologize.
- D0r0th34
Re-reading my posts from this morning, it seems indeed I may have over-exaggerated my points a bit too far. It was and still is my purpose to rouse people and ruffle some feathers on a topic which to me is the worst side of my job. In my frustration that even people who I thought were on my side don't dare to leave their comfort zone for something I find so important, I may have gone a...
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- Björn Brembs
Hadn't voted earlier, but vote now for the references to RW to be included in the article. (nice commentary/response BTW) . RW room is one great thing that you guys are doing and should be proud of. People like me who have no access to any scientific literature (that OA or PNAS or some other because of my country of origination (india) ) are able to do science because of that support;...
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- Sandeep Gautam
I am basically offline now and thus postpone submission until Dec 22. Hope to be able to comment in more detail tomorrow night.
- Daniel Mietchen
@Bjoern: I do understand your position, and I cannot disagree with a lot of what you say. But this is my point of view when I step back a little. 1) the number of subscribers to the room cannot claim to represent the sceintific community (they may or may not be representative, but the claim cannot be made based on the numbers). Nor do I think it can claim to represent the scientific...
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- Kubke
@Kubke: Indeed, very measured words. Last night I've also come to the conclusion that apparently, the situation is not bad enough, yet, for people to seriously push for change. It first has to become a lot worse, before it will get better, I totally agree.
- Björn Brembs
I just rephrased the critical section (lines 45-47). further brushing welcome.
- Daniel Mietchen
That letter looks great! Kudos to all of you!
- Kubke
Sorry, won't make it today. Next online time scheduled for 27, just in time.
- Daniel Mietchen
Just submitted. Latest version: http://etherpad.com/ep... .
- Daniel Mietchen
@Daniel - thanks for submitting, and for including me :)
- Allyson Lister
Just caught up on the thread as I was on vacation for the past week or so. I'll just say that although I am not a member of the room in question, I am in agreement with those who did not wish its inclusion.
- Allyson Lister
Got mail from Cell: "Dear Dr. Mietchen, Thank you for your proposal to write a Correspondence for Cell in response to the article on tweeting by Laura Bonetta published in the October 30th 2009 issue of Cell. Your proposal has now been discussed by the Cell editorial team. We think that your proposal would work well as a 500-word online comment. Our new online comments feature enables...
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- Daniel Mietchen
I hadn't even noticed the comment feature before but here are three previous comments on the Bonetta article: http://www.cell.com/comment... . The first one by Jo Badge ( http://friendfeed.com/jobadge ) already tells much of our story, and we could simply build on it. An easy way to comply with the 500-word limit (which is stated as 8000 characters in the guidelines for posting comments) would be to just split it in two.
- Daniel Mietchen
Found out why I hadn't seen the comment feature before: The comments are only visible if you access the article directly via cell.com (I usually go there via sciencedirect.com).
- Daniel Mietchen
It seems the comments are not indexed by Google - taking the first sentence of Jo's comment as a search string does not yield any results: http://www.google.de/search... . In other...
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- Daniel Mietchen
Asked Cell Press via Twitter: http://ff.im/dC7Na .
- Daniel Mietchen
I just tried to add our comment. It was below 8k text chars but contained links, which blew it up to well over 10k, so it was rejected automatically. I thus think it is best to post the stuff jointly on our blogs (using the title "Social filtering of scientific information - a view beyond Twitter") tonight, and I have put the HTML source for that into http://bit.ly/7ejHlJ .
- Daniel Mietchen
I'm surprised that the comments aren't indexed, and that does make it much less inviting as a method of replying to the article.
- Allyson Lister
♺ @zotero: "report of my death was an exaggeration." Response to media coverage of the Mellon Foundation reorganization: http://www.zotero.org/blog...
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Is there a decent open-source replacement for Lasegene's SeqBuilder out there? Ugene has potential but i find it a little unwieldy/clunky
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Why Bio/Pharma Should Open Up - http://blog.benchside.com/2010...
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PLoS ONE to be indexed in Web of Science http://www.plos.org/cms...
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What's your favorite article/blog post/whatever about journal metrics? (OA strongly preferred, more than just "impact factors" required, plzkthx.) Assume a fairly non-savvy audience, no particular discipline.
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At short notice, the likes of http://www.plosone.org/static... this http://everyone.plos.org/2009... and this http://network.nature.com/people... - #hindsight, I went straight for article level metrics, not journal metrics - my bad...
- Graham Steel
thankee! now I'm looking for a good fisking on IF -- I know there are some out there.
- D0r0th34
3 pages of posts from Bjoern Brembs here ;-) http://bjoern.brembs.net/tagclou...
- Graham Steel
excellent -- the JCB editorial was just what I was looking for
- D0r0th34
I have collected a bunch of useful links on the bottom of this post: http://scienceblogs.com/clock... Also see http://scienceblogs.com/clock... and http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
- Bora Zivkovic
yikes, Bora, don't scare my students! I'm bookmarking those for myself, though. :)
- D0r0th34
LOL
- Graham Steel
;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
The JBC editorial (2007 Dec 17;179(6):1091-2, http://bit.ly/9XSDI) has been cited by other interesting articles (such as FASEB J. 2008 Aug;22(8):2623-8, http://bit.ly/7DWgnR).
- Jim Till
Gonna toot my own horn here, but not for the usual reasons. My series "fooling around with numbers" parts 1, 2, 3 and 5 (http://www.sennoma.net/main...) was about metrics (part 4 went off on a tangent). The reason I point to it is that it's the kind of thing anybody could do -- one could assign this sort of analysis to all sorts of...
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- Bill Hooker
heh. had yours on the list already, Bill :)
- D0r0th34
Google "Bollen"... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
i think it might be valuable to have something from the LIS lit for this point. Like Glanzel, W., & Moed, H. F. (2002). Journal impact measures in bibliometric research. Scientometrics, 53(2), 171-193. or the one I wrote up in my post http://scienceblogs.com/christi....
- Christina Pikas
I hope you use Lancaster, F. W. (1993). If You Want to Evaluate Your Library (2nd ed.). Champaign, IL: University of Illinois Graduate School of Library and Information Science., too. it's got a great discussion of evaluating journals - using local and global measures
- Christina Pikas
Very technical, but good overview about a lot of metrics, both citation-based and usage-based: Bollen J et al. A Principal Component Analysis of 39 Scientific Impact Measures. PLoS ONE 2009 http://dx.doi.org/10....
- Martin Fenner
Ha, I downloaded that one 1/2 an hour ago ;-)
- Graham Steel
Johan Bollen presented these data at SciFoo 09. He tries to validate the various impact measures with a very large set of usage log data from Scopus, Web of Science, University of Texas, California State University and others. Conclusion (not surprising): there is no single "best" metric, but some are better than others. And the Journal Impact Factor is not a good candidate if you pick just one metric.
- Martin Fenner
On reflection, I picked up a different PLoS ONE Bollen et al Manu. in the form of this one:- http://www.plosone.org/article... Whilst placidly OT to this thread, I found the ALM's of interest. "Breakdown by View Type HTML Page Views: 28460 PDF Downloads: 3000 XML Downloads: 101" i.e. PDF download seems to = dead donkey-ish these days. One for another thread :)
- Graham Steel
Well, the way our platform serves PDFs, you need to go through the HTML to get there (and that would then count as 2 downloads). Of course, that doesnt explain where people might link directly to. Otoh, usage via this (accidentally designed) method of accessing, PDF usage may actually serve as a more accurate indicator or proxy for true readership (i.e. if you came to the HTML and took the time to click on the PDF you are probably a well qualified, 'interested' reader). Just a thought.
- Peter Binfield
Third Meeting of the #AAAS Science and Human Rights Coalition Science and Human Rights Program - http://shr.aaas.org/coaliti...
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"Join us for the third meeting of the AAAS Science and Human Rights Coalition which is being held at AAAS Headquarters in Washington, DC on Friday, January 22, 2010 (8.30am-7:00pm). All members, affiliates and interested scientists are invited to attend. The third meeting of the Coalition will open with a panel of experts who will address the ethical and human rights challenges arising when scientific research takes place in a military context, the meeting will continue with sessions, working meetings, and trainings relevant to the application of human rights in the work of scientists and scientific associations. Sessions include: Hearing From Survivors of Human Rights Violations; The Right to the Benefits of Scientific Progress; Volunteer Programs of Scientific Associations; and Human Rights 101 for Scientists: Economic, Social and Cultural Rights."
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Fwd: 2009: Open Access Hits Paleontology http://openpaleo.blogspot.com/2010... #PLoS (via http://friendfeed.com/coturni...)
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Rob Carlson discusses DIYbio and Open Source biology on The Economist - http://diybio.org/2010...
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Rob Carlson on synthetic biology: THE ECONOMIST Rob Carlson states: innovators are necessary to create solutions to pressing problems – and these innovators often work with or come from interest groups such as DIYbio. The Economist: “You can do a lot in your garage – A professor of biosynthesis on DIYbio / open-source biology, buying DNA online [...]
DIY Centrifuge using Dremel Tool - http://diybio.org/2009...
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Cathal has designed a simple centrifuge using open source hardware design, and you can order one yourself! (For use as entertainment purposes only, of course; wouldn’t want anyone to save nearly a thousand dollars by not buying real centrifuge now would we?) Dremelfuge is a rotor designed to fit standard lab microcentrifuge tubes and miniprep/purification columns, [...]
Creative Commons 7th Birthday Party Round-Up http://creativecommons.org/weblog... #creativecommons
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"Well, it has indeed been a great year. But there’s still work ahead. To make a difference, there are many things you can do — like volunteering for your local CC project, creating & using freely licensed works, teaching others about Creative Commons, or doing something very important this time of year: giving financial support. Each contribution is a step towards a more balanced future and a healthy sharing culture".
- Graham Steel
ONS Solubility Book: Edition 2 - with Predicted Values - http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2009...
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Should Copyright of Academic Works Be Abolished? http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3...
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"Abstract: The conventional rationale for copyright of written works, that copyright is needed to foster their creation, is seemingly of limited applicability to the academic domain. For in a world without copyright of academic writing, academics would still benefit from publishing in the major way that they do now, namely, from gaining scholarly esteem. Yet publishers would presumably have to impose fees on authors, because publishers would no longer be able to profit from reader charges. If these author publication fees would actually be borne by academics, their incentives to publish would be reduced. But if the publication fees would usually be paid by universities or grantors, the motive of academics to publish would be unlikely to decrease (and could actually increase) – suggesting that ending academic copyright would be socially desirable in view of the broad benefits of a copyright-free world. If so, the demise of academic copyright should probably be achieved by a change in...
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- Graham Steel
As much as I am pro-OA, it should be used because it is beneficial to the author as a decision. Using the force of law seems mighty excessive.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I disagree Jean-Claude -- the people who pay for the research (i.e., taxpayers) should have some role in deciding how things are published, whether or not authors like it - if someone does not like government funding related rules, they can get funding elsewhere and publish however they want
- Jonathan Eisen
I've only skimmed thru this one, so far. From the conclusion, "I have endeavored here to examine the effects of eliminating copyright of academic works and the factors determining whether that change would be socially desirable. On the basis of a number of empirical judgments – notably, that universities and grantors would tend to subsidize publication fees – I suggested that ending...
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- Graham Steel
In the US, the explicit purpose of copyright is "to promote the progress of science and the useful arts." Insofar as copyright gets in the way of that, *even if it helps authors*, it should be abolished. So saith US law! Granted, we haven't kept sight of that lofty goal, but...
- D0r0th34
Dorothea - of course funding bodies can impose any rules they wish and making work resulting from funding OA makes a lot of sense. I read it as the abolishing of all academic copyright.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I'm not talking about the US as a funding body. I'm talking about the US Constitution and its clearly-stated reason for copyright! Copyright was not invented as an author gravy train. Copyright was not invented as a credit mechanism. Copyright was invented *to promote the progress of science and the useful arts*. Again, insofar as it is hindering that mission, it SHOULD be abolished, NO...
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- D0r0th34
For the record, I spotted this via this tweet from CharlesWBaileyJr to the #oatp http://twitter.com/oatp...
- Graham Steel
Well Dorothea I guess we do disagree in the end then :) I think there are too many interested parties that will object to abolishing copyright and it is not a fight that can be won directly. What I do think is possible is convincing individual authors that it is in their best interest to choose OA. Publishers will feel increasing pressure going forward from that - in addition to any funding agency requirements.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
We don't disagree on the objections that would pour forth, Jean-Claude. I just wish this country would wake up to the Constitutionally-established purpose of copyright and go "hey, wait a minute here..." I also wish I could agree that convincing individual authors was in the cards. I think that's pretty much hopeless without reform-from-within efforts like Shieber at Harvard forcing a mass decision.
- D0r0th34
Speaking of objections: http://host.madison.com/ct... *eyeroll*
- D0r0th34
Stimulating thread, folks. I've alerted the author. Why not !
- Graham Steel
But isn't OA a form of copyright? The complete absence of copyright is public domain - in this case how can we enforce author attribution or sharing conditions (so that the work isn't changed without explicitly saying so)?
- Leonardo Martins
(just to contextualize my previous comment since I pressed "return" too soon ;) For me it's obvious that the current implementation of copyright is simply wrong, but whenever I read "abolition of copyright" I fear for what would replace it (and my conclusion is that it would be another copyright). I must say that I haven't read the article so I might be beating a dead horse...
- Leonardo Martins
Wouldn't abolition of copyright destroy Creative Commons licensing? For Gold OA, "author retains copyright" is functionally equivalent to "there is no such thing as copyright anymore", but for Green OA, abolition of copyright would mean that ALL journals were instantly 100% Green-compatible. Big Pig Publishing would have to find some way to prevent authors' self-archiving that didn't...
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- Bill Hooker
Forgot to note: did not read OP. Apologies if I got any stupid on anyone; it washes off, I promise.
- Bill Hooker
Ah, but Bill, a license is between licensor and licensee. So Big-Pig Publisher can say "Author, you will not self-archive!" in a license, but that agreement is *not* binding on me as librarian. ;) If Big-Pig Publisher wants a license binding on the institutions, it'll have to go up against University Legals all over the country, and it ain't gonna win.
- D0r0th34
But don't libraries typically have licenses with the BPPs as well? What's to stop 'em slipping in the relevant terms there? Universities don't exactly have a stellar track record when it comes to standing up to the BPPs, and I bet there are plenty of idiot beancounters who would jump at the chance to sign away their library's archiving rights in return for a 1% cut on this year's subscriptions. :-(
- Bill Hooker
Take copyright out of the picture, and why are libraries negotiating with the big-pigs at all? Anyway, this also can be finessed, at some places at least. Frex, our land-grant university has certain licensing provisions we simply cannot accept -- we're legally forbidden to. Publishers try it; library negotiators stalwartly strike out the illegal stuff. And SOME libraries are pretty mean negotiators. ;) MPOW has a pretty good rep, as a matter of fact.
- D0r0th34
Hi, all. I want to urge everyone to add to the public comments here: Policy Forum on Public Access to Federally Funded Research: Features and Technology http://blog.ostp.gov/2009... It is an unprecedented opportunity for the Open Science community to help influence the course of public policy on matters you all care about and are eloquent and incisive...
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RT @wilbanks @creativecommons: Stephen Friend & Sage use CC to unlock the power of Internet to transform bio-research. http://creativecommons.org/weblog...
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Question about CC declaration and reader-experience -- I originally placed the CC declaration in footer, but realized reader would have to scroll to see it...
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Is it better to have it part of side nav bar, then? Is there an etiquette for this? Thanks for help!
- Mickey Schafer
Well, WordPress templates normally put it in the footer--so as a reader (and editor who frequently reuses posts with CC permissions), I'm used to looking there first. But that's just me.
- Walt Crawford
Thanks, Walt! My current compromise is to have it both ways -- the CC image is part of 3 images stacked in the left side bar in a section headed "Attribution Info" (includes univ, academic unit, then CC) -- the sentence declaration is in the footer.
- Mickey Schafer
Okay, another question -- does the CC declaration on the web page cover everything -- text, html, CSS -- or does each component have to be covered separately? My guess is that someone might want to use the text or web page wholesale...can't imagine that the CSS would be that big of a deal, but I'm curious...
- Mickey Schafer
think it is taken to mean original content, to which the author would hold the copyright. most websites and blogs use platforms like wordpress whose code is released under its own license, while a selected license would apply to user-generated material
- Mike Chelen
IANAL but if someone took any part of your site and used it reasonably under the terms of the licence I think you'd struggle to make any claim against them unless you were very clear and very explicit about where it didn't apply. I try to make mine as prominent as possible to people can find it easily.
- Cameron Neylon
What Cam said -- I put my CCZero with my pic, email, RSS and "about" links at the top (right), which is where I'm used to looking for that kind of info on a blog. I also try to make sure all of that is visible without scrolling when the page first loads.
- Bill Hooker
Find out what PLoS authors really think about us http://www.slideshare.net/MarkPat...
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Have your say @ the White House on the Features and Technology required to expand public access to research http://blog.ostp.gov/2009...
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Fwd: ResearchBlogging.org posts now a part of Article-Level-Metrics at PLoS - http://scienceblogs.com/clock... (via http://friendfeed.com/coturni...)
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Open Notebook Science in undergraduate education. A former student in our ONS class is linking to his notebook in his graduate school applications. - http://openwetware.org/wiki...
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Another example of a good unintended consequence of using ONS in undergraduate lab courses. He is a star student and did outstanding work. Clearly has a successful research career ahead of him. It's only anecdotal evidence, but I have to think that the fact that he's linking to his ONS coursework means that he's likely to be more open with his future research (when he's able to).
- Steve Koch
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@Steve... indeed... but soon he'll realize that Open Collaboration in a world where everyone is closed is not so easy... we're chem/bio informaticians are in a luxury situation in that respect...
- Egon Willighagen
Just out of curiosity, Steve, what kind of guidance did the student receive in terms of the writing itself? I like his style -- energetic (stylistically, this means he writes in mostly active sentences, uses passive correctly yet more sparingly than is typical in published scientific prose), confident (a stylistic result of grammar and vocab choice: in this case, few hedge words used...
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- Mickey Schafer
Great! It is an easy way to stand out from the competition - especially if your work is high quality
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Mickey I'm guessing you were looking at his "final" formal report on electron diffraction. I think the short answer is that my guidance had little impact on his good writing. You can see his rough draft (http://openwetware.org/wiki...) along with my comments at that time in the margins. I do try to push the students to write in an ill-defined...
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- Steve Koch
@Egon, I do spend a lot of time talking with the students about the reality of scientific practice as it stands today. In fact, I tell them, something like, "if you continue in research, you're more than likely going to have to practice closed science. And you may even have to write things down by hand in a paper notebook! Having been through this class is going to make you hate that...
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- Steve Koch
The quote I use with my senior undergrads doing thesis writing with me: ""For those who reach maturity with their natural curiosity intact and enhanced by education, the joy of discovery is a strong driver of success. The joy of research, however, can be fleeting or at best fickle." --W. Franklin Gilmore, President Sigma Xi
- Mickey Schafer
Steve, Egon -- I guess it's true that most science is still practiced in a closed fashion, but my feelings about whether students should be exposed to the idea has changed a lot during the last year. Now, I think it's sort of mandatory that at least one person explain the option (along with OA as a publishing strategy) b/c I think it is this generation that will have to make...
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- Mickey Schafer
Steve - I think your guidance is right on track. Those who are learning to work openly (to whatever degree) are at a significant advantage for finding positions with groups who value that approach - but they are also qualified for traditional "closed" positions with the added benefit of being able to show their potential future employer what they are capable of doing in their public...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
RT @oatp Open Access Concept Map: Posted by gavinbaker to oa.new on Tue Dec 15 2009 http://www.ualberta.ca/~lbrigg...
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Nice -- but does any journal charge author-side fees for Green OA? It's not clear where the Green/Gold split should go in the hierarchy (in fact, it should probably be a side-note like the BBB declarations), but I'm pretty sure it doesn't belong as a daughter to "author side fees".
- Bill Hooker
some journals are trying to insist that to comply with NIH Public Access Policy you have to participate in their hybrid-OA author-pays program. basically, however, I agree with you.
- D0r0th34
Fwd: How do I feel about open-access journals? The president wants to know: http://gameswithwords.fieldofscience.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/science...)
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webcam microscope hacks at bosslab - http://diybio.org/2009...
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We hacked $10 webcams into microscopes, a la Hackteria.org at the bosslab + sprout. Yashas Shetty, Jason Bobe, Rich Pell, Myself, and others are planning a worldwide webcam hacking day on January 30th, in conjunction with the UCLA “Outlaw Bio” symposium. @molecularist (Charlie Schick) posted a great writeup with some photos on his blog. hello world, [...]
First Edition of ONS Solubility Challenge Book - http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2009...
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Just received this email message -- likely, this has already made the rounds, but just in case: The Office of Science and Technology Policy is requesting input regarding enhanced access to federally funded science and technology research results, including the possibility of open access to them. Comments can be e-mailed to publicaccess@ostp.gov....
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Here's the edocket: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009...
- Mickey Schafer
Deadline for comments is Jan. 7, 2010.
- Mickey Schafer
see also http://friendfeed.com/mrgunn... -- there are plans to draft a letter
- Bill Hooker
It's worth noting there are actually three rounds of consultation on different topics.
- Richard Akerman
Yeah, working on a letter, all invited.
- Mr. Gunn
Citizen Science in Action: It's Christmas Bird Count Time Again - http://citizenscienceatcampbay...
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crossref.org joins orcid initiative - http://www.crossref.org/01compa...
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"CrossRef is pleased to announce that it will be participating in the recently launched Open Researcher and Contributor ID (ORCID) initiative to create an unambiguous identifier for scholarly and professional researchers."
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Policy Forum on Public Access to Federally Funded Research: Implementation | The White House - http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog...
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White house starts Public Access Forum to discuss Open-Access for federally-funded research (via @hilaryspencer)
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White House / OSTP Policy Forum on Public Access to Federally Funded Research - Request for input: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog...
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From the Office of Science and Technology Policy: "The question that this Forum will address is: To what extent and under what circumstances should such research articles—funded by taxpayers but with value added by scholarly publishers—be made freely available on the Internet?"... the first phase of the forum plan requests input on Implementation: who should enact policies, how should such a policy be designed... The OSTP is requesting input from the public and various stakeholders.
- Hilary
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