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- C.C.S
from Bookmarklet
"The Ivy League Effect, when it’s potent, wouldn’t allow otherwise. It made Gates forget that, no matter what, even when you’re right, you don’t talk shit to the police. And that’s not a matter of manhood or pride; it’s a question of survival. Why? Because you’re black before you’re a Harvard professor. Because, in an extreme case, you can’t tell your side of the story if you get shot reaching for your ID. As a black man and a Harvard professor, Gates’ thought process should have been: “Wow. I am so thoroughly pissed right now. When this current situation is resolved and I am out of harm’s way, I’m going down to the station and I’m going to use my considerable influence to make heads roll. But right now, I need to be the smart one, remember all the details and not give him any reason to escalate this situation.” That’s what many of my colleagues have done, guns drawn on them at night in the middle of campus by the police. They didn’t get loud; they got smart. They defused the situation, then got pissed and did something about it. And, I assure you, they did so with much less juice than Dr. Gates."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
"Can he be outraged? Absolutely. The circumstance should outrage any person that happened to. But why is he outraged? Because he didn’t think the black tax applied to him anymore. In his mind, he was Skip Gates, well-regarded Harvard professor who was being treated poorly in his home by the police. Believe me, if this took place at North Carolina State his sense of indignation would be far different and his ability to garner attention would be much less. And if he was just a working-class stiff? Forget it."
- Derrick
Derrick, this experience really triggered me. I felt the prissy power of 'the cop'. It's not only because he is black. Cops are a weird bunch unless you happen to get a nice one. I've been stopped so many times for speeding. If I smile, then they're ok. If I put on my rebellious face, forget it. They don't take sh*t from anyone black or otherwise. A smart mouth so triggers them that...
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- Myrna
Myrna, I'm a black man in Los Angeles. *Every* time a cop car is behind me, I freak out and think they're coming for me.
- Derrick
Well, I'm a white jewish woman in NYC and I used to feel the same. Now I'm on FF all the time so I don't have those experiences...lol but honestly, I used to drive to Ma, NJ, skiing, etc. I can't handle going the speed limit. So I used to get stopped constantly. And even in the city here when I cop car was speeding ahead in back..I'd get this ugly butterfly in my stomach. Go figure. But...
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- Myrna
Derrick, I get that feeling all the time. It's extra bad when I'm in some way-out rural area. I don't think my pulse went below 120 the whole time I was in Montana.
- ha3rvey (business time)
not to incite, just matter of point, some towns in GA are still segragated
- chaz2b
Still, y'know, it is outrageous that the writer talks about a 'healthy fear of the police' and the matter-of-factness of the 'black tax'. It's the world we live in, but it shouldn't be.
- Andrew C
i believe he would have reacted thay way even before he was a harvard professor - it's the stuff he's made of and thank god for that - too many people white and black beating up on him -
- sally stokhamer
Here's my thoughts on the matter, and mind you I'm writing from the perspective of a "nice white lady" who has, all too often, found herself at the front of a classroom filled with inner city students of color who resent all those movies and the general idea that a "nice white lady" is all that is needed to get them to open up and care about their education, and thus they are twice as...
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- Miss Elle
Miss Elle, love every word that you wrote and totally agree!
- Myrna
I've read the police report and I've read Gate's statement. I don't believe either of them is telling the whole truth. This is how I think the whole thing went down. Gates was flying back to Boston after a long trip. Exhausted. He probably was looking forward to using his own bathroom, only - he can't get in. So, with some help, he breaks into his own house. A woman who works in the...
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- stretta
from twhirl
I'm liking this conversation even though it makes my head and heart hurt.
- Jason Toney
Wow stretta: I was really getting into your summary...I wanted more from you hehe, not facetious, I mean it. Good 'story summary' in your own words.
- Myrna
miss elle - rotten watermelon? couldn't you have used a different fruit to get your point across?
- sally stokhamer
Here's a good example of an encounter with the police and a woc who is a professor, but not one from an ivy. It is a bit unnerving, to say the least. http://americanindiansinchildr... I've said it before, but as a very white female who grew up knowing a lot of people in law enforcement, I'd be very nervous if a police officer came into my home and wouldn't give me his ID. Gates has even more reason to be wary.
- Katy S
@sally stokhamer -- I picked it because decaying watermelon is the best bait to use in a fly trap.
- Miss Elle
I wish it were as simple as being nice to cops and them being nice in return. If you're a pretty woman, you generally get special treatment. If you're a long haired hippy, you don't. You become under suspicion for drug possession. I know this. I also know how it feels like to be 195 lbs of solid muscle with buzzed hair and have a shorter, smaller cop hold his gun as he tries to...
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- Graham English
Look no matter your race, I think anyone would be put off at being arrested in your own home for breaking in to it, and would raise hell accordingly. I think they would have taken him in even if he did keep his mouth shut. Going back to what Derrick said though cops don't like to be disrespected period by anyone, opening your mouth any more than necessary is usually counterproductive. I have very little use for the police.
- Joe
@Sally Stokhamer. It is good Mr. Gates has a thick skin. Because unlike FF he can't simply block the world out. :)
- Joe
Graham, exactly. This unfortunate incident really illustrates the racial divide in this country. For example, a similar thing happened to me when I returned from a business trip, but the outcome couldn't have been more different. Officer: "I'm investigating a report of forced entry at this address." Me: "Oh yeah. Sorry. That was me. I forgot my key. Here is my ID." Officer (backing...
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- stretta
from twhirl
Deakins - it's not his home, it's the universities, and he had no proof that he was there at their behest. I think the whole situation is bad (his handling, and the cops), but objectively I would want the cops to arrest anyone they saw breaking into MY house unless that person could prove the belong there. A 'arrest first, sort out details later' approach sucks for everyone else involved, but sadly its the most feasible option out there.
- Sparky
Any time you have a situation with a cop opening your mouth can make it worse, remember a lot of cops ARE assholes, period. That is why there is such a thing as the right to remain silent.
- Joe
I so don't want to be in a debate about this because I'm in no way objective but, Sparky, he wasn't arrested for burglary or breaking and entering. He was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. That's really just the "I don't like your attitude" arrest in this case.
- Jason Toney
Sparky - you do realize that even though the university owns the property, it is Gates' legal address and thus listed on his driver's license? He had proof that he lives in that house.
- Katy S
Where I live any crime or incident would have played itself out before a cop got there and there are no neighbors close enough to look out there kitchen window to see someone breaking in. and yes I think they arrested him as a form of "attitude adjustment" that backfired.
- Joe
That's not proof - your DL does not validate. I could go fill out a change of address form and get an ID that says I live at the White House in DC if I wanted. Proof of ownership or legal residence is a mortgage form, a deed, or a lease document. He was asked for those TWICE according to the police report I read and could not provide any of those documents. It's unclear if he didn't have them handy, or just refused to cooperate, however regardless he did not prove he could legally be there.
- Sparky
Clark - I think he was arrested more for being difficult than for not providing proof of legal residence. Is that right, likely not. Is he blowing the whole thing out of proportion and playing the race card when it's really not necessary, likely so.
- Sparky
A DL is good enough. Come on! If they are asking for more than that Sparky, they are going out of their way to be assholes. Don't be an apologist for asshole officers.
- Joe
This thread, more than anything, just makes me really sad.
- Derrick
Sparky - according to the report I read at The Smoking Gun http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive... , he was simply asked for photo i.d. Gates says he provided both his DL and his Harvard faculty ID. That should have been plenty. And there was no reason for the police to arrest him on his porch for disturbing the peace. The police should have just left. It is on them to not escalate the situation.
- Katy S
@Derrick. Well man it is your baby. Why not go outside and get some fresh air?
- Joe
Katy - absolutely I agree the cops should have left. They mishandled it quite a bit. So did Gates. Everyone was an asshole here, and somehow the race card is being played.
- Sparky
Crowley states in his report that he was satisfied that Gates really did live there once he showed him his ID.
- Victor Ganata
Victor - I'm seeing that now. The report I read when this first blew up said something different. Bad reporting I guess. I still stand by my stance that this whole thing is just a hot f**king mess. Everyone involved shares a tiny bit of the blame and really its all been blown out of proportion.
- Sparky
I think more than anything that this shows there is still much to be concerned with, with issues of race, even if the presence of race isn't primarily an issue. I do think it is a factor here, but I'm biased --my experiences in life are that of a person who's been marginalized by the status quo in terms of race (and class, and gender), so I'll cop to that. And like I said before, things can be racial, without things be racist.
- Derrick
@Derrick "things can be racial without being racist" I think that's bang on. But I also think that it's probably the case that things were "racial" more for Gates than Crowley. His reaction (black man in America) probably pissed Crowley off more for it's suggestion of his (Crowley's) racism than it did for it's plain insolence. Crowley's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, and I...
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- Edward Zwart
Why defend the cop over the citizen?
- Jason Toney
what Jason said earlier and what Graham English said too. It definitely isn't about being nicer. And I agree with Derrick "this can be racial without being racist."
- Anna Lynn M.
I am for defending citizens, not the cops who abuse them.
- Joe
In our community we have started two groups: Copwatch and the Civil liberties monitoring project to do just that.
- Joe
@Jason 2 reasons 1) to be the "bigger man" and put the matter to rest. 2) and more importantly I think, to specifically NOT make race an issue (in this case).
- Edward Zwart
The bigger man has a healthy mistrust of those with power (and lethal power at that) and recognizes the responsibility to shine a light on inequality, injustice, and a lack of consideration and reasoning. I don't claim to know what happened in the situation but I do know that one of the people in it has been trained, we hope, well, to protect and serve the citizens of the community. The...
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- Jason Toney
Jason - exactly! It is the officer's responsibility to defuse the situation, not make it worse.
- Katy S
By the time I turned 16 and got my driver's licence my dad had died. So my mom sat me down and had "the talk." Basically it was this: "if you get pulled over by a police officer in any situation, you immediately get out your I.D. You say yes sir and no sir. You act as pleasant as possible. Whether the officer is just doing his job as he sees it, or is abusing his power is immaterial....
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- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I'm not anti-cop, but I'm well aware of the abuses that those with authority have done on people who look like me. I really find it sad that over the course of my life, I've been pretty much conditioned by my experiences that cop + gun + black male = doesn't always end well. I'd love to give officers the benefit of the doubt, but I also like being alive.
- Derrick
Barry, I follow the same guide. I'm as pleasant as I can be around cops because I don't want to be dead. The problem is: it shouldn't have to be that way.
- Jason Toney
@Derrick as a white man, I follow the same policy.
- Joe
thank you miss elle for that because i always use honeydew melon -
- sally stokhamer
Jason - The easy answer is "life ain't fair". I'm not sure what the more nuanced response is right now. Skip Gates has drawn his line in the sand. I hope he gets what he wants and wants what he gets.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
LOL, JT. I also can't help but wonder what the reception to all of this had been if Gates wasn't black, y'know, to take the element of race out of it.
- Derrick
I got that same advice about how to behave around police officers. Big difference, though, is that it was because my mom worked with them often (she knew most of the police in the county) and didn't want to be embarrassed by my actions. But, this is a completely different situation. I just found the wording of how to interact with the police very familiar.
- Katy S
@Jason I don't disagree with any of that. It absolutely was the officer's job to defuse the situation, and he didn't. I see a difference between that and racism though.
- Edward Zwart
Derrick - I've wondered that too. Gates is a very public, famous professor, so there is more publicity for that reason. But, I suspect a white professor would not have been treated the same way, but I think some of the anti-intellectualism that is prevalent in this country, along with the weird town-gown relations in Cambridge and Boston, could have caused some problems/friction in an interaction.
- Katy S
Basically, it's hard to say for sure. However, this particular police officer is supposedly an expert in profiling. He, of all people, should have known/understood why Gates might be upset about the whole situation. He could have avoided this whole mess.
- Katy S
@Barry good point too... "old man syndrome"! love it! the problem with race being the issue is a) the wrong side is making the case! and b) it's quite possibly completely NOT the right issue. Would this not have happened if Gates were white? Let's say it wouldn't have... That shouldn't lead you to "aha! Crowley is a racist!" Gates's whiteness would have changed HIS behavior too! Simple...
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- Edward Zwart
**sigh** In general I don't like how if you talk back at all to a cop, even though he's being a jerk, you run the risk of getting arrested. I don't like how a lot of cops have this attitude like, "I'm not taking any s*** from anyone". Excuse me, police officers are public servants. If I ask you for your name and badge, you better damn well give it to me, not trump up charges to avoid...
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- Cheryl Jones
@sally stokhamer honey in a glass fly catcher works best.
- Joe
Edward - I'm not saying this wasn't about race. As a child I watched younger men call my dad and grandfather "boy." There came a time when they wouldn't stand for it, anymore than anyone else would, because the culture had changed and they could make a stand without risking reprisal. But even after this "culture shift" there is the explicit awareness that you don't give officers of the...
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- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
3 1/2 cents: Wasn't there a case where a white guy got *killed* by a white cop because of confusion that arose from him breaking into his own apt./house? Something like that within the past 5 years. Also, I'm getting annoyed at the people trying to defend the cop here. He was dealing with an older, possibly almost elderly black man who showed him identification. Even if Gates pitched a fit, this arrest was an unnecessary muscle flex, IMO.
- Kamilah Gill
This is why I feel like people need to take a nuanced approach to racial issues. We can't get hyper about every perceived racial slight. Cry wolf too many times and no-one hears you anymore. No, we need to reserve most of that indignation for pretty clear-cut cases like this one.
- Kamilah Gill
I'm sad Barry, because I feel like with matters of race, this is a prime example of how much we're spinning our wheels. Remember all the hype of a post-racial society with the election of Obama? I'm sad because I feel like there are some non-black people who will NEVER understand my experiences as a black man, and I'm sad because I'm always fearfully aware of the police, and I'm sad...
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- Derrick
I guess I'm looking at a better day when we can get upset and outraged. And not be called hysterical or too sensitive. (common terms women are called if they sense unfairness/slights).
- anna sauce
Now Derrick, nobody is thinking about anything 24/7.
- Joe
And when did you get into my head to tell me what I'm thinking and when J. Deakins?
- Derrick
D - *fistbump*... A white friend commented to me once, "you think about race a lot." I replied, "If you worked in a black neighborhood with nothing but black people, wouldn't you?" J Deakins - The only time I can remember - since being of a certain age - that some consideration of race didn't cross my mind on (probably) a daily basis was.... uhm... I'll get back to you. It's not that I...
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- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
@Derrick are you thinking about race relations when you are on the toilet?
- Joe
J.Deakins, I'm not even going to dignify that question with a response.
- Derrick
@Derrick +1. It irritates me when people see a situation like this and just spout their mouths off because they've never been discriminated against and can't imagine what that would be like. Now I haven't been discriminated against really, except for one time in high school when some d-bag kid called me a derogatory term for a Chinese person (hello, FREAK, I'm not even Chinese!). But I...
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- Cheryl Jones
J. Deakins, what happens in the toilet, stays in the toilet.
- anna sauce
having your ice cream fall off your cone is "not fun"... having a cop draw down on you while you're sprawled over the hood of your car is another case.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Cop did his job, investigated a reported break in, and WAS walking away. Everything else is Gates' doing.
- Mattb4rd
Let just say I don't need to share the full details of my "Not Fun" cop experience w/ strangers. :)
- Joe
Mattb4rd, I respectfully disagree, but my beef isn't with this incident as it is so much about how there is clearly a racial divide and no one seems to want to do something about it.
- Derrick
Derrick The NAACP? No one? The ACLU? The SPLC?
- Joe
We're all responsible for our own behavior. Color, creed, religion, and gender are all irrelevant. I became a big fan of the Rutgers women's basketball coach when I heard her say "No one has the power to make us feel inferior without our permission"
- Mattb4rd
Mattb4rd, also disagree. He was arrested in his house. He had shown ID. He wasn't yelling. He didn't say that "momma" line (that's just ridiculous). Cop did his job up to 1/2 way in, then went awol.
- anna sauce
Officers in my neighborhood always tell you who they are. Who is this clown??!!??
- anna sauce
The police report indicates that the arrest took place outside, not inside. None of us were there, however.
- Mattb4rd
I felt very responsible, Mattb4d, when I got pulled over for a broken taillight and it went from there to me on the ground with additional cars called in, a boot on my neck and a gun pointed to me. But then again, maybe I'm just a lefty, loud black liberal with a bone to pic with crooked cops. *shrug*
- Derrick
Yeah, outside because there's no way in hell the cop would even have a pretext for an arrest without the confrontation outside. The samefacts.com post makes a convincing case that the officer baited Gates into an arrestable situation. ( http://www.samefacts.com/archive... )
- Andrew C
Perhaps Andrew, but Gates did pursue the officer outside. He wasn't tased and dragged.
- Mattb4rd
He wanted to know what the officer's badge number and name was. How is that a crime? The officer didn't want to give it to him because he knew Gates would file a complaint.
- Cheryl Jones
The police report said (again it's just a one-sided document - we weren't there) that the officer gave him the information several times but that Gates couldn't hear it because he was talking over the officer when he was answering.
- Mattb4rd
That sucks Derrick. I learned many years ago that I say yes sir and no sir to the police when they stop me, and I've been stopped MANY times. I just cleared up my driving record and I'll be 40 in a few months. I was taken to jail when I was 19 just for "popping off", but being 19 there was NO WAY I could convince anyone that I was telling the truth and the cop wasn't. Lesson learned.
- Mattb4rd
Mattb4rd, are you saying the cop was right to arrest you when you were 19?
- Andrew C
Of course not. I still have a certain amount of dislike for cops because of that incident. I just say yes sir and no sir these days. Easy breezy.
- Mattb4rd
"Friend Feed is a microblogging platform that for some reason hasn't gained traction in the edublogging community the way that Twitter has. That's a shame because Friend Feed has some great features that make a superior communication tool compared to Twitter. I talked to a few people at NECC about the lack of Friend Feed adoption in the edublogging community. From those conversations it seems that people just aren't aware of what Friend Feed offers."
- Jokin Lacalle
from Bookmarklet
Konpetentzien enfoke batetik ikusita, ikasleen beharretara askoz ere hobeto egokitzen da FriendFeed, Twitter. Baina askotan, irakasleok tresna bera ipintzen dugu helburuen gainetik. Askotan dirudi irakasleon kezkarik handiena hauxe dela: nola demontre egin dezaket tresna "guay" hau ikasleekin erabiltzeko? Zergatik ez dugu beste era honetara planteatzen: zein da ikasleen beharretara hobe egokitzen den tresna? Tontakeria emten du baina alde handia dago
- Jokin Lacalle
Me puede explicar alguien con un poco de detalle cual es la aportación que hace Twitter en el ámbito de las competencias (me da igual si son básicas, digitales o lingüísticas) que la haga sobresalir en especial respecto a otro tipo de herramientas? Que valor añadido aporta Twitter en la educación? Me lo pregunto una y otra vez, y no tengo una respuesta clara.
- Jokin Lacalle
My friend Robert Scoble has a blog post out talking about the reasons why FriendFeed is not seeing the sort of growth that Twitter and Facebook are. Personally I consider FriendFeed to be a vastly superior platform to both Facebook and Twitter, but it is interesting noting that it does not seem to be getting the traction of these other services. That said, I think that there is a huge opportunity for FriendFeed to better engage a very large existing community that is Flickr and to offer power user sort of tools for Flickr’s most active users. I’ve already written in the past about how I think the existing version of FriendFeed represents a superior way for people to browse Flickr than Flickr itself, but I think that FriendFeed could go a lot further and could definitely attract more (and super active) Flickr users if they improved things even more. So this list represents seven ways that I think FriendFeed could build a better way to engage with the Flickr Community. It should be...
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- Thomas Hawk
I gave up browsing Flickr when I found FriendFeed well over a year ago. I have many, many groups for browsing photography on FriendFeed. In particular my Flickr Photography group: http://friendfeed.com/flickr-...
- Kol Tregaskes
Agree about importing your Flickr contacts, been asking for that for eons. Similar request for importing non-FF Twitter friends would be cool too. I've manually added my favourite Flickr photographers, a chore, so an automated feature would be most welcome.
- Kol Tregaskes
Freind Feed is great at being Freind Feed and Flickr is great at being Flickr
- Kevin J Hatton
Kevin I disagree. Both are great services for what they are. But Flickr no longer innovates. They are a static service sort of on autopilot. There's a need for power users to grow beyond what Flickr currently offers and fortunately Flickr has a robust API where these users can flock to things like greasemonkey scripts and FriendFeed to improve their Flickr experience. People like Kol...
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- Thomas Hawk
Agree with point 6 too. That would be cool. Also the ability to separate Flickr user's favourites and their own photos would be most welcome. I like to have a group for each separately.
- Kol Tregaskes
I actually wish FF would not import Flickr photos in batches. They wouldn't do that with any other kind of imported media, and I think it makes it difficult to have any sort of engaging discussion around photos on FriendFeed.
- Michael Hocter
how would you suggest they import flickr photos instead Michael?
- Thomas Hawk
Point 7 sounds interesting. The saved searches are OK but the Best of Day/Week/Month feature would be great for this if it worked on searches.
- Kol Tregaskes
One at a time, just like they do any other feed item. I understand why this would be a pain for Flickr favorites and people who post in huge batches at a time, but most of us only post a few photos at a time.
- Michael Hocter
I like being able to see the Flickr favorites of other FFers since I find new and interesting Flickr users that way, much more than I do through Flickr itself. I don't mind having them come in batches. A particularly interesting photograph can always be given its own post.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Michael, I'm OK with that, what annoys me though is when it imports a batch, you go fave more then it reimports them and removes the old import with all the comments and likes. I'd like to fave a batch of pics, force a redresh, then fave some more then force another refresh and have both these come in as separate batches.
- Kol Tregaskes
I guess I think showing photos one at a time would be super noisy. For someone like me who imports about 300 photos into Flickr a week this would mean 300 separate entries on FriendFeed. I think that would detract from the overall FF user interface and experience. I think they are doing the batch posting fine now, but it's just that they are doing it backwards and opposite of how flickr shows photos on Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, use an RSS feed of your stream with he Feed-Buster service, that's exactly what you're after.
- Kol Tregaskes
Having Flickr photos come one at a time would be really annoying, at least for me. It would crowd out everything else in my feeds.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thomas, like my stream from vi.sualizue.us? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Another feature I'd like: In search, I wish I could separate Flickr uploads from Flickr favorites. I prefer to talk to the people who actually take and upload the photos, but when you search, the majority of photos you see are from Flickr favorites.
- Michael Hocter
Kol, your vi.sualizue.us stream rocks!
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, agree. I've never been able to separate the two.
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael I agree with that idea as well. I think maybe the two can be one by default, but give users an option to split them if they want. I'd much rather be able to view the two independently.
- Thomas Hawk
As the open version of Facebook, Ff needs to develop these relationships and fast. Facebook wants you to use their picture storage, their blog engines, their music addons, keeping you inside the Facebook walls. Ff just as Thomas says, NEEDS to show that they can build something better by letting everyone decide which stand alone services serve their needs best, and all these can be...
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- Matthew DeVries
@Michael - yes! I prefer to know which are faves and which are posts.
- JA Castillo
There are many ways FF could be improved to help us photo-happy people (and most features would benefit the community in general), such as the ability to search for entries with pictures *only* (on it's way I believe), search by date/time, be able to search by selective imported feeds, e.g. I cannot search for my vi.sualize.us images only, etc.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF could even go further and let you sign into flickr and then you can like and comment and it flows back to flickr
- Phill Price
It would be pretty slick if I could hover over a photo on FF and fave it on flickr. I think that would take more than basic API stuff though.
- Thomas Hawk
@Phill - that would be too much!! I would never leave FF! :)
- JA Castillo
For me, FriendFeed needs to improve for new users. For instances the suggested users list is not the way to go and the lack of introduction to the service's features upon registration is virtually non-existent. When a new user has completed registration it needs a quick and simple Flash anim to demonstrate FF's basic features (an adapted version of one of Ross' videos would be cool),...
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- Kol Tregaskes
Faving a Flickr photo on FF would be super!!
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, exactly. ;-) But that lies the problem, Flickr perhaps wouldn't want that?
- Kol Tregaskes
The suggested users list on FF definitely needs to incorporate activity and not just popularity. That's a whole other subject though.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, yep. Sorry going off in all directions. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I suspect Flickr could be resistant to some of these ideas. After all, attention on the internet is a zero sum game and making FF that much better for hardcore flickr users could siphon off traffic from them. Still, I bet a bunch of this could be done through the API as it stands now.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer to see at least a medium-sized version of a photo before I fave it, so I doubt I would fave through FF if such an option existed. Agreed with most of Thomas's seven suggestions.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
John, yep, bigger versions of the pics are needed, would that watch in the current batches?
- Kol Tregaskes
bigger versions would indeed rock. It would be nice to have a user setting though to either see small thumbnail photos are larger photos. This way the people who are not as interested in the photos as some of us could still choose to see them small. In fact small should probably be the default with a user option to view them larger instead.
- Thomas Hawk
I kind of like the thumbnail batches, and being able to choose which to click through. My comment was specifically about faves – it's hard to pick favorites from just thumbnails.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Another thing I'd like to see changed (or at least be toggleable) is the feature what hides entries under 'more form <service>' on lists. I have lots of photo-related groups in one friends list and having them hidden like this is annoying. Also the hiding of the Flickr photos in the batches is annoying too. Personally I'd like this expanded all the time but a toggle would be nice. I appreciate this might be set-up as it is because of performance.
- Kol Tregaskes
More user options for controlling the display of Flickr photos would be helpful.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I'm kind of disappointed in Friendfeed. Too much focus on competing with Twitter, and not enough on what was originally the core idea of aggregating services. And sadly they've de-emphasized service integration so much that I wonder if they'll even keep doing it, let alone improve the integration. And Flickr, for that matter, sucks too - Thomas hit the nail on the head above, Flickr has...
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- Eric P
Eric, I think you're right about Flickr. Flickr's mostly been laying people off these days. They laid off designer George Oates, Engineer Rev Dan Catt, and lots of the other original talent there has left, Cal Henderson, Stewart Butterfield, Eric Costello, Kakul Srivastava recently left the helm of the site as well to work on other things at Yahoo. The last innovative thing that they...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thanks for taking the time to write this up
- Bret Taylor
Bret, you're welcome. I think you guys have the best opportunity to drive a lot more Flickr users over here.
- Thomas Hawk
Hey TH, as always, great ideas from you about improving FriendFeed. I've always felt it's a great adjunct to Flickr. Personally, my social community isn't here (can't get them to join), so FF isn't as useful for me as I'd like it to be (or as it is for people like you and Scoble, etc). Friendbinder is what I've been using to navigate my Flickr contacts (it auto-pulls them all in, and...
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- Criz
Hey Criz, thanks. I'd obviously love to see more innovation via flickr come through FF and especially directly at flickr. Good to know that you guys are working on more than just new buttons. In terms of hiring, the only hire that I'm aware of Flickr announcing in the last year or so (unless I missed it somewhere) was zycster in the "abuse" "customer care" "censorship" bureau vs. the...
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- Thomas Hawk
I still think Google Reader is the most convenient way of browsing Flickr photostreams. I'm testing Feedly for this at the moment and it's doing a quite good job as well.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, film was quite a big new feature on Flickr too.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger, I suppose, adding video was a feature, unfortunately though I think that it was a feature at odds with the flickr community that many in the community saw as more of a negative than a positive. There was a pretty strong and vocal group opposing adding video on Flickr. I've only ever used video on Flickr once (ironically yesterday). Here again, videos are crippled to 90 seconds...
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- Thomas Hawk
I think FF on the other hand has offered us already fairly substantive improvements to the Flickr experience. Being able to see *all* of your flickr contact's photos vs. only the most recent 1 or 5 is huge. So is letting us see our contacts faves. Ideally though we'd get continued innovation from both Flickr AND outside developers like FF building on the Flickr API to best improve the...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yes, but the seeing *all* of your flickr contact's photos can be accomplished in any RSS feed reader really. Has little to do with FriendFeed.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, I am zyrcster, and I am not on abuse :) And I think you'll enjoy what's coming down the pike. I hope so, anyway.
- Criz
Ah, ok, zyrcster. Hopefully it's something good. I thought you were part of the moderation/customer service / abuse/ censorship dept based on the thread in flickr help. I should re-read that thread. Hard to know who's who on the flickr staff when flickr codes the public "about flickr" staff page to purposely hide staff members from me personally. I hope that coding project didn't take much time away from all that innovation going on over there.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
Rutger, Flickr RSS feeds only contain public, "safe" photos... definitely not all of my contacts' photos
- Michael Hocter
Hmm, never knew that, there should be 2 versions of the feed then so we can choose.
- Kol Tregaskes
In fact, I can't even get a decent RSS feed of my own photos out of Flickr because many of them are not "safe"
- Michael Hocter
Or is there an issue from Flickr's point of perspective having such content go outside it's site?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I think it's because they can't authenticate who you are or what your preferences are through RSS
- Michael Hocter
I see. They could have a password protection/authenticated feed but FF doesn't support such feeds.
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL, Mrsth, that's over censoring stuff!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is actually a problem on Flickr's end. They've been censoring your RSS feed now for years. They won't allow any content deemed "adult" to be sent out of Flickr via RSS. It's incredibly stupid in my opinion. I'd love to be able to subscribe to Merkely's nudes (which very much are fine art) for instance and even though I've checked on Flickr that I'm an adult and want adult content...
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- Thomas Hawk
haha, actually Kol that was me. I was accidentally logged in as my wife though, just got home and was using the home computer.
- Thomas Hawk
What happened there? Posting from your wife's acount? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I don't know about you, but I really wish vi.sualize.us would implement FF's SUP or FF spider those streams more often. I end up having to manually get FF to pull them in after I've favorited a bunch or it takes *forever* for them to finally be pulled into the FF stream.
- Mark Philpot
I've not really checked my vi.sualize.us groups, is there a delay in importing?
- Kol Tregaskes
you certainly can easily add a photo as a favourite through the api - all you need is the photo id and the user to have given ff a token by signing in... http://www.flickr.com/service...
- Phill Price
Ah, I did have an issue with my watchlist from vi.sualize.us. I notified them and they checked it and it started working. Are you having problems, Mark?
- Kol Tregaskes
How recent was this? I've just been in the habit of manually refreshing my vi.sualize.us feed. Next time I'll try letting FF get it on it's own and see how long it takes.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, a few weeks ago. I'd buzz them on their site and let them know you are having problems too. Works fine for me atm but they said they are keeping an eye on it.
- Kol Tregaskes
BTW, people on this thread might be interested in this group for vi.sualize.us most popular entries feed: http://friendfeed.com/visuali.... It seems to import dups a lot, which is a problem but it's not a huge issue.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I can now check vi.sualize.us on FF too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, could probably do something similar for your Zooomr too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I just added six to my vi.sualize.us favorites... I'll see how long it takes for them to get imported. -- And a note to any FF developers on this feed -- Please implement a "Comment" link at the bottom of the comments. Especially for long comment streams, it's a pain to have to scroll up to the top to add a new comment.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, OK, any issue go to the vi.sualize.us, they'll help you out. It's their feed after all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If you authenticate with the Flickr API you can get at the "unsafe" photos, FYI. But that would require a deeper level of integration that Friendfeed offers today.
- Eric P
Michael, I think that's quite logical and good actually. All hell would break loose if Flickr allowed access to porn via its feeds. The solution is authenticated RSS feeds in case things would stop working all together here at FriendFeed if you are not creating an imaginary friend for every Flickr contact that is.
- Rutger Blom
FF is not seeing the growth other services are seeing because it is not designed for the casual, non-technical user the way flickR, Twitter, and Facebook are. An average person can "walk up" to any of those three services and get them almost immediately. By "get them" I don't mean that they understand deeply/optimally how or why to use them but that they can readily get their heads...
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- Anthony Citrano
I think even for a lot of above average users FriendFeed is too obscure.
- Rutger Blom
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Impressive! Now you can save real time searches as embeddable widgets. That's just awesome! This is a massively POWERFUL feature. Thank you FF team!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Lol, you flipped the switch before the post came out as far as I can tell. I was searching for it and I couldn't see it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yowsa. Makes quick easy work out of social media monitoring, don't it?
- Ian Wilker
Congrats Paul to you and your team! Another one bites the dust!
- Jorge Escobar
WAAAAAAAAA.. meta real time search.. love the concept of embed a real-time search !! Way to Team FF -- luv u guys !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
Do you guys sleep? Honestly, love the constant output and attention you guys pay to user feedback. I know this highly requested and probably not easy to implement.
- Frankie Warren
@Jesse: It's a dead twitter command "track keyword" sends you realtime updates whenever the word is used. Think of it like realtime google alerts for friendfeed.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm pretty sure Gillmor et al kept calling it "track" because that's what Twitter called it back when they had it for a week.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
On a related note, live embeddable searches mean that I can hack together my own FF embeds for the pages that don't have them yet, like say "comment:dpritchett" http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, Twitter never had this - this isn't "track"
- Jesse Stay
The blogpost said they're working to implement "keyword notifications" Jesse, that will be "track"
- Frankie Warren
Twitter's brought back track, it's just no one cares. You can now have updates by keyword on Twitter pushed to you, via XMPP, just like track used to. Gillmor says that's not track.
- Jesse Stay
That's why I hate the term "track" - no one knows what it is. The way Paul is explaining it, as real-time search, is a much better way of explaining it.
- Jesse Stay
I guess we're still missing the realtime notifications piece that folks want. You can shape the firehose to watch terms in realtime but you can't yet get it pushed outside of FF via email or IM?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, Twitter has that right now, but Gillmor says that's not track
- Jesse Stay
/me prints up a few hundred "That's not track!" t-shirts
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Killer feature. I'm watching news about Honduras scrolling by. Very useful.
- Chris Baskind
Jesse: Oh, i'm with you... Real-Time Search is a better term :)
- Frankie Warren
BTW, integrating this into my blog right now
- Jesse Stay
Me too Jesse. Making a new static page for that comment:dpritchett search I mentioned
- Daniel J. Pritchett
this is definitely cool and all, but what about API? We are falling way behind on feature sets :)
- Tim Hoeck
It's like an alternative to watching TV, in a literary sort of way.
- Ted Gilchrist
Yay! This is the killer feature (once it's in the API, of course ;)
- Brandon Titus
I'd love to see a blog post about how this is implemented. Real-time search has some interesting problems.
- Chris Lamprecht
I take it back - I can't integrate this into my blog until I can filter it to a single list. I really need an embed for "comment:dpritchett list:e20" except lists are still virtual in that no one other than me can see them unless I use the atom export.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I am sloooooooooooow. But what/where is the template to make the embeddable widget. please?
- Marg Uerite
You're right Jesse - it's not exactly Track but it's getting a lot closer. The old Twitter Track allowed you to set up multiple search terms (e.g. track iphone) and get those delivered to your IM with zero time lag. At any time you could type "track" to see what you're currently tracking and "untrack" to untrack something - e.g. "untrack iphone". There are some third party tools that...
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- Mike Doeff
Paul, is there a way to change the title of the embed? The long search string looks kinda bad.
- Jesse Stay
Mike, Twitter offers that today. Gillmor says it's not Track.
- Jesse Stay
Marg, after you do a search, click the "Share / embed search" link to get the embed code.
- Dan Hsiao
Jesse, are you sure? Can you provide a URL describing this feature? I think you're referring to Twitter Search (and saved searches) which is totally different.
- Mike Doeff
Jesse, when / where did Gillmor say that isn't track? I'm pretty sure that Steve just wants the old track brought back, with some filtering capabilities added (the old Track didn't filter out blocked accounts).
- Mike Doeff
Yay! Have been eagerly awaiting this. :)
- Rick Turoczy
Mike, he's said in various comments. Looks like Track to me... Heck, it's even called "track".
- Jesse Stay
I want to 'Like' this *twice*! many thanks!
- topo
The first step in a storystreaming platform!
- Kevin Sablan
Whoa. Wow. And Yes! Fantastic work, FF team.
- Micah Wittman
Good stuff although should support negative operators such as I should able to search my name in the all posts NOT coming from me. I've tried "from:-username" but it doesn't seem to work.
- Ferruh Mavituna
OK, you guys are wicked talented! It's kind of scary, but I love it. So what's next? Just kidding:)
- Michael Fidler
Ferruh: you just have it a bit backwards... try -from:username instead :)
- Ross Miller
WOOOOOOOOOOW. Friendfeed is really pushing some cool features out :). Friendfeed is the best :)
- alfred westerveld
Highly addictive--great stuff! I did notice that if you do a search like [google] you'll see dupe stories streaming by quite a bit (e.g. the TechCrunch story about Google Voice shows up over and over right now). Not sure if it's possible to de-dupe based on destination url a little bit more?
- Matt Cutts
two months after redesign, we have access to real-time search. good news bc my preferred search engine is friendfeed. ;)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
We are there, in the battle against Twitter
- Michael_techie
I can't say enough how amazing this is. So, I ordered a bottle of real-time translation to go with this magnificent feast of real-time search :D http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Just to show what is possible now with this feature, I've built SteroidFeed: Go here to see it as well as download the files: http://friendfeed.com/lph... Latest version is 1.01.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
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- Bo Stern
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Ok then. Not just me going mad and thinking it looked different before :)
- Simon Wicks
Cool, thanks AJ. And thanks Simon for pointing me here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome. I noticed there was color to the boxes this morning. No idea why that happened and didn't have time to look into it this morning. Now I don't have to! Can just snag the new script and be done with it. You rock.
- ♥patricia♥
Something I'm noticing now is that when I refresh, I briefly see the default FF version before the style appears. Anyone else?
- Rochelle
You may have to clear your cache. I saw it awhile ago too. Restarted, Cleared Private Data (CTRL+SHIFT+DEL) on Firefox. ;-)
- AJ Batac
Lame. Didn't work. I'll try removing the style and reinstalling it.
- Rochelle
I'm really liking this... any chance of trying to get this to work on Chrome?
- Harold - Happy 2010
Well, I couldn't get it to work with Greasemonkey but I tried the Stylish option and that worked fine!
- Rochelle
I had to delete the old version of the Greasemonkey script, have you tried that Rochelle? Also, it has always flashed the old version for me even way back when I started using the new theme.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Looks like it's doing it in GreaseKit, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now I just need to figure out how to apply these changes to my somewhat modified version. Damn me for not taking diffs.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
BTW, if anyone really wants the rounded corners, make the images and pass 'em to me. I'll host them on Taskerrific.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I get the flash of the normal site before the script kicks in while using Firefox. I wondered why that happened since I had thought that Greasemonkey interpreted the site as it loaded.
- CAJ, somewhere else
@Haggis: I got to step 4, but what file should be downloaded in this step?
- Harold - Happy 2010
@Harold choose either the Standard or Widescreen script, depending on your monitor size. Either will work, just displays nicer on 16:10 screens.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
@Haggis: thanks for the info... it's working good on Chrome now.
- Harold - Happy 2010
for somereason, mine is no longer widescreen....lots of white space to the left? Using Stylish (and Firefox) if that makes a difference.
- Kelly W.
Aw thanks!...I was hurting without this even for a short time.
- Mark Krynsky
For anyone that is getting the flash of the normal site before the theme takes effect, if you move it to your userContent.css file, it doesn't do that.
- April Russo (app103)
April, that'll make Rochelle excited; it's been driving her crazy. Unfortunately, that doesn't help those of us who are running it in Safari via GreasKit.
- Akiva Moskovitz
April, so yeah...I thought I knew what you were talking about. But I don't know what file/location you speak of. Help?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Well on XP it's located here, or you can create it here: C:\Documents and Settings\[USER}\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\[random looking chars].default\chrome\userContent.css You can follow the instructions for K-meleon, but add it to the file in that location instead: http://cranialsoup.blogspot.com/2009...
- April Russo (app103)
"It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tost upon the sea: a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle and the adventures thereof below: but no pleasure is comparable to standing upon the vantage ground of truth." ~ Francis Bacon
- Bill Romanos
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from Bookmarklet
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Gaudi: Google Audio Indexing is a new technology from Google that allows users to better search and watch videos from various YouTube channels - http://labs.google.com/gaudi...
"Google Audio Indexing (Gaudi) is a new technology from Google that allows users to better search and watch videos from various YouTube channels. It uses speech technology to find spoken words inside videos and lets the user jump to the right portion of the video where these words are spoken."
- Jokin Lacalle
from Bookmarklet
Ez dakit zergatik baina http://labs.google.com/gaudi helbideak "economy" hitzari lotutako bideoak bakarrik bueltatzen ditu. "Basque" idatziz gero, bilaketaren helbidea ez da aldatzen. ??
- Jokin Lacalle