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Another not-very-important thing I noticed: I connected my existing ourdoings to friendfeed and all the posts got sent up to FF with the same date. Bit of a flood. I'd have expected the rss sent to FF to use the date of each entry. Probably another small thing to clean up eventually?
(I forgot to DM you on the previous one but one DM is probably enough)
- Iphigenie
FriendFeed dates are when something gets posted; there's no way to make the date be when the photos were taken. But to reduce the flood, I suggest using the "headlines.xml" feed instead of "main.xml" so that you can selectively pass entries through by adding headlines to them.
- Bruce Lewis
no worries, it will be fine going forward :) I think I did a luser thing when I set up the dropbox integration yesterday. I put in there some zip files that i was too lazy to upload, and its processed some of them, but I think it got hung up on one... One of them processed over night but nothing seems to have happened since, probably cause while it was processing the file over night I assumed they were not working and removed the zip files. My fault all this, sorry :(
- Iphigenie
Just checking: need to move my dropbox account from work email to home email. If I set up one with my ourdoings site and try to set up another to replace it, will I break something?
- Iphigenie
No, won't break a thing.
- Bruce Lewis
I have shared new folders with ourdoings and i get the email that it joined the folder, but the trigger page doesnt appear... i'm sure it's me but i cant figure out what i'm doing wrong. (by trigger page i mean the html page that has a link to connect folder id to ourdoings account)
- Iphigenie
Sorry about that. There was a problem on my end that I just cleared up.
- Bruce Lewis
One thing that puzzles and bit me today - I have 2 ourdoings "sites" one for normal pictures (A) and others for stuff about our house renovation (B). In the past I have uploaded bulk to one then moved the images to the other for entries. What is strange is that the entries that are live on (B) still appear in the draft entries edit page on (A)
I experimented and deleted one of the draft entries shown on (A) and indeed this deleted the live entry on (B)
- Iphigenie
Obviously not a huge problem except to make it hard to find real draft entries in a full list, but probably something to clean up at some point :)
- Iphigenie
Is it the draft entries page or the draft photos page? I do need to figure something to do about that.
- Bruce Lewis
it's the draft entries page on the site (A) where the images were initially uploaded. At the time of creation I uploaded a zip file then on the edit screen for the batch I unticked site A and ticked site B. Now the entries show both on site (B) as live and still in the draft entries page of site (A). If I open them for editing they are shown as ticked published for site (B) so they...
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- Iphigenie
actually it is messier than this: even entries I uploaded directly on (B) this week are showing on the drafts list on (A). Same entry, appearing two places. In my case, A is "joellesmainphototrail" and B "iphishouseproject" feel free to look around those two
- Iphigenie
Will do.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm still surprised that this happens, but I will clean it up soon.
- Bruce Lewis
maybe i did something strange somewhere, let me know
- Iphigenie
You did nothing strange. It has to do with my code. I cleaned it up. If it happens again there will be a button at the bottom of the draft entries page that cleans it up again. It's related to letting multiple people submit/publish to a single site. I'll put it on my list to make the code smarter about when to clear "submission" of an entry to a site automatically.
- Bruce Lewis
I changed the OurDoings site info page to a tabbed interface, easier to find what you want to change.
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Oops, an 'ourdoings.com' checkbox briefly appeared under my 'Email subscriptions' then disappeared again. Did you make a momentary cock-up? As for tabs: I like tabs, I really do, I've always said tabs are very nice things indeed, always helpful and useful, honestly, tabs have never let me down, not once, I would never say anything derogatory about a tab. But...I still find the backroom...
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- empiricist
About the "email subscriptions" checkbox: If you look at your personal info page at the root, it gives you an unchecked box for subscribing to ourdoings.com. Likewise any site you aren't subscribed to, e.g. https://ourdoings.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
I like your suggestion for the edit link. I implemented it.
- Bruce Lewis
I didn't know the e-mail notifications weren't working. I just thought this place was dead. I like the Site Info tabs - tidy. I like cognitive tidiness as much as aesthetic tidiness. What does 'Privatize' do, does it swap username for random alpha-numerics or does it list state-owned assets on the stock market? :-) It's satisfying to see my edit hyperlinks idea implemented.
- empiricist
It changes the link to unlisted/[random]. Would "Randomize" be clearer?
- Bruce Lewis
No, I think privatize is OK. but maybe say next to it what it does...
- empiricist
For iPhone/iPad users: full-screen browsing and Instagram - http://ourdoings.com/2011-12...
Anybody interested in having OurDoings automatically pull photos in from Instagram? Their API looks ready for that sort of thing now.
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Almost ready, but I need to sleep.
- Bruce Lewis
I got feed reading with pagination working. Now for the real-time part. If only FF weren't so distracting.
- Bruce Lewis
Completed the real-time part by closing my FF tab. Everything works now except turning it off. That will have to wait for tomorrow...maybe.
- Bruce Lewis
Eureka! It all works!
- Bruce Lewis
Congrats!
- Anika
Thanks, Anika.
- Bruce Lewis
Right now it combines photos into one entry per day. I think a one-entry-per-photo option would be nice for real-time sharing.
- Bruce Lewis
Most photo sharing sites are all wrong. They're designed to help you upload 10-20 photos that you've chosen and processed. At that point you've already done all the work. The real work is when you have 100 photos in front of you, and want to share with a community that only has the patience for 25 of them. Which 25? That's the work.
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...or when you have two years of photos and the idea of sorting through them is just too intimidating. OurDoings lets you upload them all in a short time and instantly get a presentable collection.
- Bruce Lewis
If you were to design a tool to help you choose which 25 photos to feature out of 100, I bet this is what you'd do: Have something to click that toggles featured/unfeatured. You'd also have a way for people to get to the unfeatured photos if they were interested. Doesn't that sound a lot better than having to delete a photo off of a photo sharing site to unfeature it, then reupload it if you change your mind?
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings totally takes the stress out of having a backlog of photos. It solves a problem that lots of people have. I have a lot of vision for it and am determined to take it places. So please have patience with my periodic rants.
- Bruce Lewis
*applause*
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Eventually other photo sharing sites will catch up with OurDoings' iPad web interface instead of making you install an app. Eventually other photo sharing sites will let you upload via Dropbox instead of having to install plugins for Lightroom, iPhoto, Aperture, etc. But I don't think other photo sharing sites will catch up in terms of date organization and the featured/unfeatured thing, because they just don't get it and they aren't about to.
- Bruce Lewis
Unfortunately, FriendFeed email notifications have been unreliable lately, so I might miss posts here unless you also DM them to me. There's also a getsatisfaction page and http://www.facebook.com/apps...
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OurDoings Can Post Photos to Facebook - http://ourdoings.com/2011-01...
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"Check the Facebook box on your Site Integration page. Once you've done that, you can click the Edit tab on any month's page and use the "Send month to Facebook album" link. If you add photos, just use the same link again and new photos will be posted to the existing Facebook album for that month."
- Bruce Lewis
from Bookmarklet
Google+ is now added...follow the same procedure. Then click Photos in your black bar on Google, click the album, and click "Share" with the envelope icon. Unlike Facebook, Google+ doesn't automatically post to your feed when you upload photos. Note that if you have both Facebook and Google+ integrated, the same link updates both.
- Bruce Lewis
Jim is the first to use the Google+ export.
- Bruce Lewis
Yay Jim!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
If you're looking for a quick way to put lots of photos in your Facebook timeline, this feature combined with Dropbox upload will let you do it fast.
- Bruce Lewis
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I upgraded the server's dropbox client. After that it worked for me with a folder named Açores. Please give it a try when you get a chance.
- Bruce Lewis
synced files not showing
I think the Dropbox client on the web server may be having trouble with accents. Later tonight I'll see if upgrading to the latest client fixes it.
- Bruce Lewis
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Did a subfolder named "This folder?" just show up? I want to make sure I'm looking at the right folder.
- Bruce Lewis
synced files not showing
Sure. I'll look into it right away.
- Bruce Lewis
I just checked the Dropbox web site and saw nothing in ourdoings, ourdoings-me, ourdoings-bootcharts or pets. What folder are the files in?
- Bruce Lewis
Real-time Photoblogging with OurDoings and Dropbox - http://ourdoings.com/2011-05...
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Tags support
eheh you knew I would ask for this
- (``-_-´´)
Photo tags? Entry tags? Here's where having a hybrid photo/blog site gets tricky.
- Bruce Lewis
actually it's an "hybrid" between a photo site and a blog. Flickr is a photo site, Ourdoings has photos organized by date and allows you to add a description for the date, so in this way it's closer to a blog and entry tags would make more sense.
- Flavio
I was going to make a text only site a while ago for writing haiku and tanka until I realised how bad the text input mechanism is.
- empiricist
I'd rather just be able to do a text search on headings, captions and any entry text...with an optional date qualifier.
- empiricist
Definitely any tags support I create will be unobtrusive for people who don't want to use it. One option I'm considering is not showing any tags UI until someone uploads a photo that has IPTC keywords in it. So you have to do tagging in your photo management desktop software first.
- Bruce Lewis
I don't like that much, since most of my photos are sent from mobile,or from PC with zero edition ( just copy to dropbox ). please take a quick look at how posterous does this. it does a great job on how easy its to add (both on email, and online), and no burden to those that have no need for it.
- (``-_-´´)
from email
Forcing people to always use photo management software for tagging seems like cruel and unusual punishment :-) ...Those of us who don't like tags can easily ignore the tagging elements I think.
- empiricist
empiricist true
- (``-_-´´)
after re-reading this thread i *think* we are talking about different things, are we not?? only that would justify so much indecision. all I want is to tag albums and photos, via web UI, so that i can group them into similar context. example: bdays, weather, sports events, #Me, etc. is everyone in the same page?
- (``-_-´´)
I don't think we're talking about different things...but do you want tags mainly to make finding photos easier, or to make virtual albums, or both?
- empiricist
both, i guess. tagging will certantly limit the number of photos to look at when trying to find it, and grouping them into virtual albums is the main idea, sure.
- (``-_-´´)
I'll just note that a "birthday" tag is only helpful for grouping birthday photos together across years. Finding them is already easy. But there are other categories where it would help you find them too.
- Bruce Lewis
if you have some free time, I would like to request some attention to the TAG feature :p
- (``-_-´´)
My wife just asked for this too. I uploaded about 900 pictures from 2002-2004, and she couldn't find the ballet pictures she wanted by date.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, given that you were the uploader, how do you feel about tagging 900 photos to make your wife's photo search results instant? I don't think scanning through 900 pics to find specific ones is inherently that ponderous but when most entries have pics behind 'more photos' then yes, it's very slow and tiring. Would be nice if there was some way to visually quick scan through a linear thumbnail stream...just for finding, not for presentation.
- empiricist
I don't want to tag all 900. I would like to be able to add a tag after uploading, or at least be able to search based on the text I put with entries or captions. And for those people who have already used photo management software to tag lots of photos, I'd like them to be able to make use of that information.
- Bruce Lewis
For scanning through manually, I click on a month, page down, and then use the link in the lower right corner to go to the next month. Since I can use the keyboard to page down and the link is in the same place for every month, I don't need to move the mouse, and it's pretty fast.
- Bruce Lewis
Yeah, that kind of URL is the principal purpose I see for tags.
- Bruce Lewis
I use that a lot in posterous. I never know what blog post I'm looking for, but I know how/what I tagged, is just limit my search to that one tag. multi tag limiting would be GOLD, but not so easy to implement. at least that's what posterous guys said. I think f.BUGabundo.net/tag/me+car URL wouldn't be _that_ bad :)
- (``-_-´´)
from IM
are we any closer to having tags anytime soon?
- (``-_-´´)
Unfortunately, no. It's all a matter of priorities. I'll make a separate thread to keep the noise off of this one -- I like that the comments are all about the proposed feature itself.
- Bruce Lewis
This thread is all about tags.... why whould u open a new one?
- (``-_-´´)
The new thread is all about priorities: http://friendfeed.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
Early in this thread you talk about photo tags, but the posterous example you give is for entry tags. For that use case, isn't search good enough? e.g. http://f.bugabundo.net/...
- Bruce Lewis
yes, that would be, but there's no field for it (i dont usually use the description field). and yes, i meant per post not photo. but search does not do what i want :( i need a tag cloud so that its obvious
- (``-_-´´)
OK, I'll need to give this a lot of thought. I want to retain as much simplicity as possible for those who aren't into tags and tag clouds.
- Bruce Lewis
One way to retain simplicity would be to recognize something like hashtags if they're in a headline. Sometimes hashtags are just heaped onto the end, in which case they should be removed from the headline and kept as tags only. Sometimes they're used as a word in the headline with # prepended. How would OurDoings recognize which way the hashtag is being used?
- Bruce Lewis
Some of the thoughts on positioning ourdoings
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(disclaimer: i have been product manager for a living but these are unformed not-quite-thought-through thoughts. certainly you have given it more thought, but still, perhaps there's a nugget)
- Iphigenie
- it could be an idea complement to the "one photo a day" photoblog systems (eg: blipfoto - actually you could do a lot worse than look at how blipfoto figured out - still are figuring out - their income as a bootstrapped company). There's a couple big ones and people always struggle as to how to present the rest of the day's snaps ("more here"). Could even have color themes that match...
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- Iphigenie
(more later)
- Iphigenie
- the chronological order would also fit very well a "family chronicle" setting - can several people share a "site"?
- Iphigenie
Yes, several people can share a site. If you click the Edit tab on somebody else's site, you get a chance to "volunteer" to help manage it. My Toastmasters club uses this feature, as do some non-public users.
- Bruce Lewis
By the way, I always appreciate unformed not-quite-thought-through thoughts. It's from those that I'm most likely to see things that I might not otherwise see. Having thought about this a lot, I've certainly picked up biases that new eyes don't have.
- Bruce Lewis
About "one photo a day": Flickr does a good job with their archive, creating a calendar with a photo on each day. That format isn't so good for the "family chronicle" (or travel, or other chronicle) purpose. So I want to position more in that direction.
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings is somewhere in between blogging and regular photo sharing, but I want to pick one or the other to describe it so that people don't get confused. I think photo sharing is the description my best potential users will look for; they have a big pile of photos and want to know what the best thing to do with them is.
- Bruce Lewis
It took 8 months but I have eventually started to give ourdoings a whirl :)
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Fantastic! Any thoughts/first impressions to share?
- Bruce Lewis
Yeah, will put a bullet point list together here - tomorrow, though, it's too late tonight to be eloquent :)
- Iphigenie
but i have 2 subsites http://ourdoings.com/joelles... and http://ourdoings.com/iphisho... have only uploaded and moved/deleted, not redacted or edited anything yet. Will explore that next (incidentally would love to have one feed into my main FF the other into the house project room)
- Iphigenie
To add one to your main feed, click the Edit tab, then Site Integration, check the FriendFeed box, then save changes. That takes you to FF and prompts you to add the feed. For the room, on the FriendFeed side choose Custom RSS/Atom with description as first comment, then add http://ourdoings.com/iphisho...
- Bruce Lewis
By choosing the headlines feed you can feature/unfeature photos, add text, etc., and when a particular day is ready add a headline for it to feed through. If you just want the whole thing to feed in now, then use main.xml in place of headlines.xml.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks :)
- Iphigenie
some of the immediate highlights:
- Iphigenie
- the different mass upload options work. There's probably a win to be had by having the process more integrated but it certainly works and allows for a workflow. I'm lazy and doing zips though :)
- Iphigenie
- duplicate detection. EXCELLENT! Not encountered elsewhere and what a difference it makes, it means that people can dump their stuff even though they havent quite optimised/tagged/cleaned up their local stuff. It detected both duplicates in the file sets I sent (it happens with multiple computers, synchronisation, and multiple aborted organisation efforts) and when i sent files already...
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- Iphigenie
Awesome feedback, thanks! I just changed the dedup page to have the warning at the top in addition to the bottom. I put a new item in my ideas file to make the dup detection more sophisticated when it's based on size.
- Bruce Lewis
Dropbox is the ultimate integrated process, because all photo management software has an option to export photos to a folder. It takes a few minutes to set up, but after that it just works, even through upgrades of iPhoto, Lightroom, Aperture, etc. No plugins required.
- Bruce Lewis
Duplicates: I am not sure about more sophisticated - you could waste a lot of power and create a lot of load, for some border cases that arent that common, and it probably will not be linear with the number of images. I did take a snap of 3 photos it thought were duplicated but arent, and I suspect it is an artifact of some post processing experiment. Will check.
- Iphigenie
I probably should have said "less unsophisticated" -- all I was thinking was to compute a checksum, and only flag photos as possible duplicates based on size if the checksums were identical. You're right that it's a border case these days -- almost all photos have EXIF date, so the fallback to size comparison is rare.
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings announces support for Do Not Fool - http://ourdoings.com/2011-04...
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Every year the Internet is filled with pranks and jokes, most of them not very funny. Some of us have had enough. If you don't want to participate in this annual festival of mediocre humor, there's a Firefox add-on for you. It's called Do Not Fool. Analagous to "Do Not Track", it notifies web sites that you do not wish to be fooled. If you aren't already running Firefox 4, it's worth upgrading just to get this add-on. On OurDoings, if you've turned on "Do Not Fool" and visit any day page that ends in 04-01, you'll be redirected to a photo of llamas busily ignoring April Fools Day. With the option turned off (but why would you do that?) the normal page appears. Be careful! There are a lot of silly people out there.
- Bruce Lewis
from Bookmarklet
That's so awesome!
- Kevin Fox
People were talking about the plug-in on HN last night and I just had to do something with it.
- Bruce Lewis
Why OurDoings still has the best photo uploader - http://ourdoings.com/2011-02...
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When people upload lots of photos to OurDoings without thinking too hard about it, the result is an interesting, nicely organized chronology of their doings. What would happen if suddenly it became easy for people to upload lots of photos to Flickr? Without tagging, splitting into sets, etc. it would look like one big mess.
- Bruce Lewis
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Pages that took over 110ms to serve now take under 40ms. Thanks PostgreSQL!
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OurDoings users and interested others with web-enabled phones, please let me know if I'm going the right direction by focusing on fast load time and avoiding JavaScript with mobile web pages: http://ourdoings.com/brlewis...
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What's your own feeling? (Do you have a smartphone?) Would it make that much difference? People are spending more and more time on mobile devices, so I'm not sure they'll appreciate a massively pared-down experience. I think they'll want mobile versions to have _most_ features of full sites. But speed is definitely a feature. I don't know, it's a tough one. Have to say the text was hard to read. Might be a font type issue as much as font size. I'd consider separating > and < for ergonomics too.
- empiricist
from iPod
Wish I could give a less fence-sitting reply. Definitely interested in seeing what others think. I suspect people would miss commenting if it wasn't there. And they're gonna make comparisons to competitors, notwithstanding that comparisons are odious.
- empiricist
from iPod
My own feeling is that this is the use case for mobile: You're out with friends or relatives, and something comes up in conversation that makes you want to show a photo. All you want is to find the photo and hand the phone over without taking yourself out of the conversation for too long. I have a Blackberry Bold, and this is how I would use it. Looking at pictures for my own sake is something I'd rather do with a full-size display.
- Bruce Lewis
I do agree that a pared-down experience won't always be enough. I was careful not to do what Anyvite did, where links to non-mobile always take you to the top level (other than that I think Anyvite is great). When you're on a mobile page for a day the link goes to the non-mobile page for that same day, so full functionality is never far off.
- Bruce Lewis
Yeah but if someone has a friendfeed app, or something equivalent on their phone and they notice a photo update from a relative or friend, are they going to leave it until they get home or are they going to view it there and then? And if they view it, aren't they going to want to interact in the usual way by commenting or whatever? I suppose if I wanted to add my friend's lovely sunset...
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- empiricist
They would view it there and then, in the FriendFeed app (wishful thinking; more likely a Facebook app), which would also be where they Like/Comment. I don't mind the social-networking fun being on the social networks. I just want to master the see-doings-without-clutter fun.
- Bruce Lewis
About the small fonts: The HTML in the mobile pages takes the browser's default font, which I figured would be chosen well. I found it smaller than expected on my Blackberry Bold too, but on further thought I decided my use case was very photo-oriented, and the less space taken by text the better. I also understand the iPhone makes it easy to zoom in and out to see what you want.
- Bruce Lewis
The only competition I'm concerned about is the photos people have locally on their phone. That's why I'm thinking especially about speed.
- Bruce Lewis
Navigating these tiny links with my finger is gonna be very awkward and consequently slow: http://dl.dropbox.com/u...
- empiricist
Slow and awkward is most definitely what I don't want. I will work on that.
- Bruce Lewis
I like the focus on speed, but I find normal text links very frustrating. I always wonder just how hard it is to turn links into buttons with basic css.
- Rah-PM 2012
from Android
Rah, it's not too hard to make links less frustrating to tap by changing the CSS padding property. Are the 1 and 2 links easy to tap in this version? http://ourdoings.com/rahshee...
- Bruce Lewis
Not really. It's possible I have my font size on the Evo set extra small, though.
- Rah-PM 2012
Is there a site that works especially well on your Evo that I could look at?
- Bruce Lewis
I can't really say that many sites get the links right, but organization of the navigation is important. Looking over a few sites, whitespace, bold, and text-size make a big difference for the links. Here is a list of mobile sites that might spark some ideas (I'm sure there are others I can't think of ATM): mobile.formspring.me, friendfeed.com/iphone, techmeme.com/m, touch.facebook.com
- Rah-PM 2012
http://dl.dropbox.com/u... Well it's more padded-out but still microscopic and I still have to do a reverse-pinch. Isn't it possible to force a sort of automatic page-filling with html? I suppose not.
- empiricist
'I also understand the iPhone makes it easy to zoom in and out to see what you want.' Then how is it a mobile version? Sounds like a mobile version with non-mobile aspects left in.
- empiricist
I don't want you to have to do a reverse pinch. That screenshot does look too squeezed. I'd like to make one version that works on most mobile devices. The design now almost fills my Blackberry screen. But it's using less than half the width in empiricist's screenshot. I'm going to experiment more.
- Bruce Lewis
It's possible to make a table fill screen width, but I don't think one can adjust font size according to screen size without some JavaScript, which I'm trying to avoid to keep load time fast. If I can do it just by choosing a mostly-right font size I'll do that.
- Bruce Lewis
A little Javascript might be worth the slight speed hit. From what I understand, Javascript is pretty swift on mobile browsers unless you're doing something intense. Might be worth considering.
- Rah-PM 2012
It probably will run fast once it loads, but I would probably want to load jQuery to do this kind of manipulation, and that would affect load time. I'm not ruling it out, though. From the CSS I looked at in your list of mobile sites, it looked like they just set a fixed font size.
- Bruce Lewis
empiricist, is this any better? http://dl.dropbox.com/u...
- Bruce Lewis
Looks exactly the same, strangely enough. (by the way, do you know if you can reply to a friendfeed comment notification e-mail from within the e-mail client.)
- empiricist
from iPod
You can reply by email, but apparently it's slow (I replied to yours; the comment will show up here some time). Please try that dropbox link again, as I've doubled the font size.
- Bruce Lewis
Yes, you can just reply. Please refresh the page and see if it's bigger/better.
- Bruce Lewis
from email
Yeah, the block's about 55% down the page and 75% across now.
- empiricist
from email
I pushed out a bigger font size (36px). It means there's a scrollbar on the Blackberry, but I've decided that's not really a usability issue compared to making things too tiny on Mobile Safari.
- Bruce Lewis
Looks pretty good. http://db.tt/d1QWRzk No idea what it looks like on a retina display or one of those massive android phones. P.S. I actually got notified of your e-mailed reply before the 'earlier' one.
- empiricist
from iPod
If the thumbnails on the month page were optimised for Blackberry like the links then maybe you'd want to scale them up a bit too from this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u... It's debatable I suppose, but remember that that screenshot is about 50% physically bigger than my iPod screen.
- empiricist
I think the pages should be optimized for the most time-sensitive use case, but work well for other use cases with appropriate zooming. For the case where you know what photo you want to show, but need to find it fast, I think the tiny thumbnails work well. For casually browsing through, I think it's OK to require a reverse pinch.
- Bruce Lewis
After trying this for a while, I think I agree with kgbu that a bigger font is better and still doesn't distract from the photos. I released it. What do you think? The old font size: http://friendfeed.com/kgbu...
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings now optionally integrates with Facebook. Use http://ourdoings.com/ for nostalgia, Facebook for socializing.
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Can this be enabled for non-public OurDoing sites as well? I usually share family photos on Facebook with a sub-set of my friends on FB (using lists) and I prefer that to come from my non-public OurDoings site.
- Pavan
Yes, I'm using it that way already. See your site integration page for details.
- Bruce Lewis
It worked!! This is great!! You got me all excited now. Can I double like this post??!!
- Pavan
No, but you can go tell everybody why it's great! :-)
- Bruce Lewis
You bet I will!! I will use it some more and get back to you if I have some feedback. This seems quite close to the solution I was looking for.
- Pavan
Quick question: why restrict this to the month? Why not allow to do this per headline/date? For instance, I uploaded a few more dates and the photos were added to the FB month album but my feed does not reflect the fact that I posted more photos.
- Pavan
I'm surprised your feed doesn't reflect the new photos posted, but maybe there's a minimum time that has to elapse before FB makes a new feed entry for new photos in an existing album. Doing it by month was (1) so people won't have to think too hard and (2) because FB doesn't handle large piles of albums well, so accumulating 1/month seemed like it would be about right.
- Bruce Lewis
I looked on FB, and it's using the same feed entry, but updating the number of new photos.
- Bruce Lewis
FB does funny things; yes I believe it does collapse feed items if they are about the same thing. That's probably what's happening. Thinking more about it, your choice of month-based sharing might just be right. I'll still have to use it a bit to tell for sure.
- Pavan
If the feed updates are spaced out in time I believe FB reports them separately. FB sharing was quite crucial for me as everyone I know is there except my mother and I plan to get her there as well :)
- Pavan
So far so good; only hitch being I hit the 200 photo limit FB has for albums. :)
- Pavan
Maybe cutting it down to your 200 best is a good thing.
- Bruce Lewis
What is the best way to share photos from OurDoings to Facebook like we do on FriendFeed?
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I made a separate FriendFeed account just for feeding stuff to Facebook. Then just used the ff fb app.
- Bruce Lewis
from email
you can also use the Networked Blogs app on Facebook, or use the new "i=1" feed but I didn't test this last one yet
- Flavio
Can the Networked Blogs app include thumbnails in your FB feed? The FriendFeed app does if given appropriate permissions.
- Bruce Lewis
The FF app now shows just the 1st pic and a link to see more. Networked Blogs (unless it's changed since the last time I used it) shows 3 pix, but the blog needs a min number of subscribed FB users to send updates to your news feed.
- Flavio
Im trying the Networked Blogs app.. not getting their verification process to work.. will let you all know how it pans out.
- Pavan
@flavio what is the "i=1" feed?
- Pavan
I'm getting something like this in my FB feed through Networked Blogs.. http://ow.ly/i/hD2 I'd prefer photos to show up. Am I doing something wrong?
- Pavan
use http://ourdoings.com/USERNAM... as feed to import as generic RSS to your FB notes. I did not test it though
- Flavio
The last time I imported a blog rss feed through FB notes, it spewed my FB stream with all the posts I ever made on the blog.. was very awkward :( I dare not try it again until I know exactly what will happen..
- Pavan
...that's why I didn't test it... for now the FF app works fine for me
- Flavio
:))
- Pavan
The FF app has a "Show more" link that shows one or two more thumbnails. I have to be careful, though. There's a "view on FriendFeed" link, and if I click it I'm logged in as privatebrlewis (the user I tied to Facebook) and not brlewis anymore.
- Bruce Lewis
But since 1-3 thumbnails don't tell the story so well, you may want to do what I did and use the headlines.xml feed. That way the entry for a given day only goes through after you give it a headline. Then your FB entries will be more descriptive.
- Bruce Lewis
Assuming that all my entries have a title am I correct to say that main.xml and headline.xml are the same? What if I publish some entry (for instance via dropbox or pixelpipe) and then edit adding a title? Will it be pushed to the headline.xml at that point or having been published earlier it will be a missing item?
- Flavio
If all entries have titles they are the same. If you edit adding a title, it will then be pushed to headlines.xml. That's basically the purpose of headlines.xml -- it makes OurDoings a staging area for refining your entries (photos featured, etc.) before pushing them to other sites.
- Bruce Lewis
good to know, that helps a lot :o)
- Flavio
UPDATE: Facebook is now on your site integration page. Checking it on activates the new OurDoings Facebook app. You get a button on the Edit page for each month to send that month to Facebook. If you add new photos, just click the button again and the new photos will be added to the existing Facebook album for that month. Please try it.
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings Mobile - http://ourdoings.com/2010-12...
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"Click the Mobile Version link in your sidebar and you'll get an interface optimized for finding and sharing photos in person. It's fullscreen photos with just enough navigation to help you find them. Thanks to Kevin Craik, Rahsheen Porter and Sam Levine for suggestions that helped make it great."
- Bruce Lewis
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When I first saw the mobile version I wretched a bit, but then I played around with my site and realised it was very optimised for speed and photo size. On the whole it's very good and very fast, despite initial impressions.
- empiricist
Speed and photo size were my main goals, but I do want it to make a better first impression than that. The front page where you just choose a month now has colors and a logo, but browsers can render the page before those are loaded. The month/day pages, where the photos are, are unchanged, except I made the font match what's used on the non-mobile version.
- Bruce Lewis
Are you saying that the most recent ones will be the only ones you remember the month/year of? What about just having to remember the year, and having a list of headlines? I've never been big on tagging things myself, but I add headlines to entries when I don't want to leave it as just the date.
- Bruce Lewis
The years on the main mobile page are now links to a list of headlines for each year, in case you want to find photos using words instead of jumping to a month and browsing. Of course, you need to have supplied the words.
- Bruce Lewis
Fernando, I think I understand now. You aren't talking about mobile, but the continuing lack of tag clouds. Is that right? It's not enough to type "nortweeters" in your search box?
- Bruce Lewis
Yes, with OurDoings you still have to tag your photos before uploading (using photo management software of your choice), but if you do that there are links on any photo's page that let you see all photos with that tag. In the mobile interface, are you looking for a tag cloud?
- Bruce Lewis
OurDoings – The Photo Site Designed For Your Memories – Shoestring Startup - http://www.shoestringventure.com/2010...
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A well-written article. On a whim, I sent a link to it to Helmar Rudolph, a marketing pro I know of. Not a friend, just someone I remember as being extremely au fait with marketing in the tech field. He tried to buy BeOS from Be Inc. before they sold to Palm. He did some marketing for Opera in Germany, during which time its market share went way up. I think he was a co-founder of a...
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- empiricist
Thanks for forwarding it. To gain the attention of potential cofounders, marketing mentors or investors I need traction, so unless I figure out how to get there on my own it's a chicken-and-egg problem.
- Bruce Lewis
Indeed. This is where networking and grapevines come in handy.
- empiricist
Any tips to adding Ourdoings as a service within iPhoto 11?
Take a few minutes to set up Dropbox. Then you can just export to a folder. And it will still work in iPhoto 12.
- Bruce Lewis
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That's easy enough :)
- G Dub Botts
Of course, the OurDoings uploader is already compatible with #iPhoto11.
"Wholesale dump of all photos go bye bye to online place, go now. One at a time what??" -- what normal people want from photo sharing.
using folders in dropbox is useless :(
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i've upload 3 separate albums, all in 3 folders. ended up with all photos mixed up in the 3 online albums at ourdoings, and then had to move them to the proper place :(
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i see how this can happen. I'm working on a fix.
- Bruce Lewis
I just put in a fix. Let me know if you encounter any further problems.
- Bruce Lewis
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