BEX, I love how your profile bit says "I can kick your ass!" :) Not only do I believe that 100%, but I also think it might be enjoyable for some reason.
- Josh Haley
I'm sure that I could get a little whimper out of you ;)
- BEX
Yep, I was right. I'll be in my bunk.
- Josh Haley
I love how cats pose when initmidated with admirers- not this one though - and hey we are looking through lens of 2nd order paparazi (paparazi of paparazi !!!)
- Rahul Deodhar
نمي دونم حرفامو مي فهمي رفيق يا نه ولي خيلي جالبه
- ramezanifar
This is my most "liked" picture to date, I believe. Long live the LOLcat!
- Josh Haley
"Just because you lack the ability to grow a beard, doesn't mean you have to miss out on the rugged expression of masculinity and strength. The "I Made You a Beard" Etsy Shop features a wide variety of beards that anyone can wear and know what it feels like to have a face sweater. Wear the beard of a villain, recluse or try something in blue, green or even rainbow colors."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
"I'm not huge on sodas like Ed, but I will drink a ginger beer every once in awhile. Since visiting London when I was little with my family and buying big bottles of it at the local grocery store, I've been hooked. I think that ginger beer goes great with a whole bunch of foods, cutting through fatty food and complementing spicy Thai food. In summer, it's refreshing; in winter, the ginger is warming. Aesthetically, I like it because it often comes in cool glass bottles instead of a can. As a bonus, it's often made with honey or real sugar instead of fake sugars or high fructose corn syrup, which both gross me out."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I love Reed's. Especially their Premium Ginger Ale. What originally turned me on to their brand was their Spiced Apple Brew - apple pie in a bottle.
- Michael R. Bernstein
My dad loves ginger ale and ginger beer: the spicier the better. I always pick him up some when I find one I've not seen before.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
"fan" is too strong, but i do like it, particularly with a beef patty and coco bread *childhood memories*
- tiffany
Dark and Stormy is the best drink on the Island.
- Eric Logan
Why are you laughing Igor, because you know its true?
- Myrna
I'm more inclined to say our thoughts influence our reality. Because I'm thinking of a bacon double cheeseburger appearing on my desk and it just ain't happening! :P
- CAJ, somewhere else
Myrna, because some people believe they are a PurpleCow, but they are just a lost soul. ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But do they Really believe they are a PurpleCow...deep down? Doubtful!
- Myrna
Curtis, I been trying to get a cheezeburger to appear out of thin air for years, but I wound up going to McDonald's to buy it! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, you know what it means...underneath it all :)) If you feel, think or act in a negative way, you will attract That all back to yourself...PERIOD!
- Myrna
Mynmar, maybe one can heal another from a touch with their hand, but that same person may not be able to lift a mountain. If he believes "Yes I Can" he still cannot do it. If he becomes fixated on it, he becomes delusional.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Who's talking about lifting a mountain? btw, its Myrna :)))
- Myrna
I have always thought I rocked harder then anyone else. This is why I really am the greatest guy ever.
- Alex Scrivener
Alex, is this another 'male' joke? I couldn't resist. :)))
- Myrna
Sorry about that. I am getting bad eyes, must be from trying too move a mountain! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ahhh..don't try so hard...move smaller day by day. :)
- Myrna
True! U know a lot of Kabbalah roots come from Eastern Philosophy. I been studying and practicing for over 20 years now. Still there are limitations to what you can do. That is reality. If you have not, try Yoga and meditation, to help you feel things.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
And btw, there's no limitations on 'being present', in the moment, every moment and working on ourselves to be better each day and that means working on our challenges, the hard stuff!!!
- Myrna
Myma, no just talking from experience. Others may have their own experience. There is more than one way to slice a fish! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
'slice a fish' what a metaphor on this subject. Couldn't we use a flower metaphor or something more beautiful than slicing a fish.
- Myrna
Thanks for writing this. Just want to respond to clarify the differences between SUP and Pubsubhubub, as they serve two different purposes, and indeed could be used together. SUP publishes an aggregated list of changed resources, which clients can poll to save the overhead of polling individual resources directly. Whereas Pubsubhubub uses a push model to ping an aggregator/hub directly. Sites like FriendFeed already support both, and we're discussing how to use SUP at Google.
- DeWitt Clinton
If everything built on what was already there that would all make a lot more sense to a whole lot more people.
- Dave Winer
"In today’s modern world there are many things we take for granted, many things our fathers would have known how to do, and some others that might baffle them. Additionally, on average, Americans and European men are starting to get married older, meaning that there is now a need to be self-sufficient in things long-considered to be within the realm of the woman. Whether you’re out camping, or at home or work, there are some basic skills a man must possess. The following are fourteen of examples of these skills – if you don’t know them, you should learn them, or you may be caught unaware sooner than you think. If you can think of others, please leave them in the comments below."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
dude, the thing in that first photo isn't even a real stick shift. a real stick shift is like the kind in an '87 Colt (my dear departed vehicle, which bit the dust last year). Just a fricken stick stuck in the floor.
- Nathan Rein
Lets see, I've never driven a stick shift, but I think I could. I don't know how to swim, don't care to learn. And I don't know how to cook the perfect steak, don't need to since I don't eat steak.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
(1) I hate these kinds of lists. (2) If you think swimming is a necessary skill, why would you list the breaststroke, arguably the least efficient stroke out there?
- Andrew C
Agreed with the toilet, mapping, button-sewing, and laundry skills. Driving a stick shift, hooking up an entertainment center, cooking steak, and car repair aren't strictly speaking necessary. Instead of a steak, they should have had general cooking skills.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
i can't imagine why nothing parenting-related is on there. change a diaper, anyone?
- Nathan Rein
Knowing how to fry an egg, for example, is far more basic than cooking a steak.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Men men men...women women women. NO! Maybe 14 basic skills every human should possess?
- Patrik Johansson
The last time I went shopping for a new car, it was just about impossible to find a manual. the dealers told me very few were made anymore. That was years ago, and I still have the stick shift vehicle I had then. I'm a firm believer in letting oil changes be done by those who have easy access to the proper, legal way of disposing of old oil and filters.
- MiniMage - HLtW
I agree with Patrik. These are useful skills for everyone.
- Anne Bouey
I have the uncontrollable urge to go rewire that AV setup.
- Geoff Schultz
I'm going to need zip ties, a lot of zip ties.
- Geoff Schultz
Balance a check-book and although not a skill per se, lose gracefully.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
i was thinking the same as minimage. i could probably manage to change my own oil, but what the hell for? it's probably worth at least the $19.95 i pay at the local tire shop to have the waste oil taken away and disposed of responsibly
- Nathan Rein
"Write Effectively", really? I think this article must have been written by a writer. How about build a house, chop a tree, clean a fish???
- Ken Morley
Yet more proof that I am really a man.
- anna sauce
oh wait, I'm not too good at making a steak nor balancing checkbook. WHEW.
- anna sauce
Steven broke the internet! site says "suspended"
- anna sauce
Be sensitive enough to get called “pussified queer” by Jack Rawlinson and Rusty Shackleford - Be masculine enough not to give a crap - Be smart enough to know that “manrammer” is a compliment paid to gay porn stars
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
the women's version of this thread got all this weird women-hatin' goin' on
- anna sauce
@Geoff Schultz: Zip ties? I have never purchased a zip tie in my life. I have, however, cut up old pantyhose to make loops & strips that are quite effective for the same purpose. Also great for staking plants without damaging their stems. (frugal female recycling secrets revealed)
- April Russo (app103)
Hooking up an AV system is relatively easy. Figuring out what's going on back there when it's time to change things around, that can be a hassle. I very strongly recommend labelling every cable (and speaker wire) that goes in there, as well as every power cable you have hooked up. (AV cabinets would *really* benefit to put the receiver on a lazy Susan, come to think of it. Esp if there was sideways access so it would only need to spin 90 degrees.)
- Andrew C
"I once saw Redd Kross meet 'Freebird!' with a long rendition," said McNew of Yo La Tengo. "That's the best response of all. I mean, they made that audience pay."
- Joe Germuska
Impressive! Now you can save real time searches as embeddable widgets. That's just awesome! This is a massively POWERFUL feature. Thank you FF team!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Lol, you flipped the switch before the post came out as far as I can tell. I was searching for it and I couldn't see it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yowsa. Makes quick easy work out of social media monitoring, don't it?
- Ian Wilker
Congrats Paul to you and your team! Another one bites the dust!
- Jorge Escobar
WAAAAAAAAA.. meta real time search.. love the concept of embed a real-time search !! Way to Team FF -- luv u guys !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
Do you guys sleep? Honestly, love the constant output and attention you guys pay to user feedback. I know this highly requested and probably not easy to implement.
- Frankie Warren
@Jesse: It's a dead twitter command "track keyword" sends you realtime updates whenever the word is used. Think of it like realtime google alerts for friendfeed.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm pretty sure Gillmor et al kept calling it "track" because that's what Twitter called it back when they had it for a week.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
On a related note, live embeddable searches mean that I can hack together my own FF embeds for the pages that don't have them yet, like say "comment:dpritchett" http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, Twitter never had this - this isn't "track"
- Jesse Stay
The blogpost said they're working to implement "keyword notifications" Jesse, that will be "track"
- Frankie Warren
Twitter's brought back track, it's just no one cares. You can now have updates by keyword on Twitter pushed to you, via XMPP, just like track used to. Gillmor says that's not track.
- Jesse Stay
That's why I hate the term "track" - no one knows what it is. The way Paul is explaining it, as real-time search, is a much better way of explaining it.
- Jesse Stay
I guess we're still missing the realtime notifications piece that folks want. You can shape the firehose to watch terms in realtime but you can't yet get it pushed outside of FF via email or IM?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, Twitter has that right now, but Gillmor says that's not track
- Jesse Stay
/me prints up a few hundred "That's not track!" t-shirts
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Killer feature. I'm watching news about Honduras scrolling by. Very useful.
- Chris Baskind
Jesse: Oh, i'm with you... Real-Time Search is a better term :)
- Frankie Warren
BTW, integrating this into my blog right now
- Jesse Stay
Me too Jesse. Making a new static page for that comment:dpritchett search I mentioned
- Daniel J. Pritchett
this is definitely cool and all, but what about API? We are falling way behind on feature sets :)
- Tim Hoeck
It's like an alternative to watching TV, in a literary sort of way.
- Ted Gilchrist
Yay! This is the killer feature (once it's in the API, of course ;)
- Brandon Titus
I'd love to see a blog post about how this is implemented. Real-time search has some interesting problems.
- Chris Lamprecht
I take it back - I can't integrate this into my blog until I can filter it to a single list. I really need an embed for "comment:dpritchett list:e20" except lists are still virtual in that no one other than me can see them unless I use the atom export.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I am sloooooooooooow. But what/where is the template to make the embeddable widget. please?
- Marg Uerite
You're right Jesse - it's not exactly Track but it's getting a lot closer. The old Twitter Track allowed you to set up multiple search terms (e.g. track iphone) and get those delivered to your IM with zero time lag. At any time you could type "track" to see what you're currently tracking and "untrack" to untrack something - e.g. "untrack iphone". There are some third party tools that...
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- Mike Doeff
Paul, is there a way to change the title of the embed? The long search string looks kinda bad.
- Jesse Stay
Mike, Twitter offers that today. Gillmor says it's not Track.
- Jesse Stay
Marg, after you do a search, click the "Share / embed search" link to get the embed code.
- Dan Hsiao
Jesse, are you sure? Can you provide a URL describing this feature? I think you're referring to Twitter Search (and saved searches) which is totally different.
- Mike Doeff
Jesse, when / where did Gillmor say that isn't track? I'm pretty sure that Steve just wants the old track brought back, with some filtering capabilities added (the old Track didn't filter out blocked accounts).
- Mike Doeff
Yay! Have been eagerly awaiting this. :)
- Rick Turoczy
Mike, he's said in various comments. Looks like Track to me... Heck, it's even called "track".
- Jesse Stay
I want to 'Like' this *twice*! many thanks!
- topo
The first step in a storystreaming platform!
- Kevin Sablan
Whoa. Wow. And Yes! Fantastic work, FF team.
- Micah Wittman
Good stuff although should support negative operators such as I should able to search my name in the all posts NOT coming from me. I've tried "from:-username" but it doesn't seem to work.
- Ferruh Mavituna
OK, you guys are wicked talented! It's kind of scary, but I love it. So what's next? Just kidding:)
- Michael Fidler
Ferruh: you just have it a bit backwards... try -from:username instead :)
- Ross Miller
WOOOOOOOOOOW. Friendfeed is really pushing some cool features out :). Friendfeed is the best :)
- alfred westerveld
Highly addictive--great stuff! I did notice that if you do a search like [google] you'll see dupe stories streaming by quite a bit (e.g. the TechCrunch story about Google Voice shows up over and over right now). Not sure if it's possible to de-dupe based on destination url a little bit more?
- Matt Cutts
two months after redesign, we have access to real-time search. good news bc my preferred search engine is friendfeed. ;)
- Francisco
We are there, in the battle against Twitter
- Michael_techie
I can't say enough how amazing this is. So, I ordered a bottle of real-time translation to go with this magnificent feast of real-time search :D http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Just to show what is possible now with this feature, I've built SteroidFeed: Go here to see it as well as download the files: http://friendfeed.com/lph... Latest version is 1.01.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Bruce Sterling presenting the relationship between science, fiction, fact and markets. A good commercial and editorial primer for Purefold. - http://vimeo.com/4955251
"Bruce will talk about the concepts behind Web 2.0, what its pioneers expected to accomplish, how that played out in the real world, and what may happen on the web in the next two or three years."
- zeroinfluencer
from Bookmarklet
"In this remixed narrative, Edward Cullen from the Twilight Series meets Buffy the Vampire Slayer at Sunnydale High. It's an example of transformative storytelling serving as a visual critique of Edward's character and generally creepy behavior. Seen through Buffy's eyes some of the more patriarchal gender roles and sexist Hollywood tropes embedded in the Twilight saga are exposed in hilarious ways. --- Team Buffy, you can now download an ipod/iphone version, 3gp cell phone version and a large take home version of the Buffy vs Edward remix at rebelliouspixels.com"
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
oh god, so funny. "what are you, 12?" and "no I'm feeling... bored!" "more than a few pimply overweight vamps who call themselves Lestat" sigh. Buffy is so great.
- anna sauce
Your son has a good eye for business, I can tell :)
- Justin
Terrific! Praise his imagination. I remember being chided by a teacher for not writing '9' in three rows x 3 dots the way she explained it. I did 9 dots in a row. I recall being totally confused by her reaction. Math and I were never the same from that day on.
- Kate Foy
Good for him. As a teacher - an A+ - he understood the objective and went beyond expectations by showing the pattern. All A+ work must have the unexpected element within the lesson - http://www.helium.com/knowled...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Perhaps he got frustrated with the paper's lack of copy and paste functionality.
- Dennis O'Neil
Yes, paper is a lot like the iPhone. No copy and paste (until recently right?).
- Mike Reynolds
Excellent! What was his intention when he did this?
- Leigh
Jesse, my brother teaches high school math, and when I showed it to him tonight he said "Oh yeah, I'd give it 100%" (pssst - between you and me, he doesn't like grading, so less to look at == good ;)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, good to know - I think his teacher kind of felt the same way.
- Jesse Stay
Yunus, no, the reverse counting is due to his dumb father not able to upload images correctly and FriendFeed not being able to re-upload images. I #blamedrewscancer personally.
- Jesse Stay
yeah i was kiddng actually but his reverse 9 and 7s are are also supporting that idea :D cool kid!
- Yunus Tunak
"Eye-Fi has been building out its product line of memory cards that use Wi-Fi to upload photos directly from a digital camera to the Internet. Now it’s going one step further with the Eye-Fi Pro, aimed at professional photographers and enthusiasts. This new four-gigabyte card has support for a variety of files — RAW, JPEG and various video files — and well as other cool features. You can now geo-tag photos, or mark the exact location where they were taken. You can upload in a peer-to-peer fashion, meaning no wireless router is need to upload data to a computer. And you can gain easier access to Wi-Fi hot spots."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
For "pro" photographers? Not many pros use cameras that support SD afaik -- don't all the full frame cameras use CF? And wouldn't 4GB be a bit skinny from a size point of view anyway?
- Brian Sullivan
love my eye-fi card but geo tagging has been availble and working for some time now. wi fi hot spot service has lacked though so cool.
- adolfo foronda
I've been a big proponent of Eye-Fi for some time and will definitely pick up one of these cards. I shoot with the Canon 1D mark III which uses both CF & SD so the card integrates with the camera nicely. All of the 1D bodies take SD and there are adapters for CF that I am told will work. In the past, I've had my RAW files write to CF and .jpg to SD but this opens up many more options...
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- Rick Bucich
I believe that they have an insert to turn this card into a CF compatible one. Not sure though. 4GB is skinny for sure, but the geotagging capabilities seem pretty cool and as far as I know this is the first time that eye-fi has supported RAW.
- Thomas Hawk
Any idea how the geo-tagging feature works? Where does the location information come from?
- Brian Sullivan
I'm not sure how it works Brian. I suspect though that it triangulates somehow with wifi hotspots and pulls geo information from there. I'd think this could be useful for ensuring that photos in a city that you weren't familiar with were geotagged.
- Thomas Hawk
Geo-tagging comes from wifi networks in the area of where the picture was taken so it does not work in remote or rural areas. The location of the wifi router is established by Skyhook Wireless. The only issue I ran into was from a recent move, all my photos at the new house were geo-tagged to the old address. It was a simple process to update the address through Skyhook however.
- Rick Bucich
I still not sure how this works. Sounds a bit Rube Goldberg to me. I presume the wi-fi hotspot location is for commercial hotspots only? In this situation there is no GPS or cell tower access info -- is that correct?
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian it's based on MAC address of the access point. Publicly transmitted beacon packets
- mjc
The whole way these cards work is a little quirky. One particularly annoying thing is that a file should just be a file as far as getting it from the card to your computer via wi-fi. For example, when I'm on my home wi-fi network, it will upload photos I've taken, but not videos... I still have to drag out the cable, so its utility for me is diminished.
- LogEx
Had a look at their info flash piece -- so from what I can tell they continuously travel around looking for routers and tag their location some other way (via GPS?) and enter them into a data base indexed by MAC address? So the location of the photos is the determined via the MAC address of the nearest Wifi locations where the pictures were taken?
- Brian Sullivan
I believe you are correct Brian - you can read more at http://www.skyhookwireless.com. Logical -Eye-Fi has added a video upload feature that can be added to prior existing cards on a subscription basis. I have my card set to upload via any unsecure network and send a text message to cell if it finds one, very handy to have all my photos uploaded by the time I get home.
- Rick Bucich
Just adding a bit about how we geo-tag -- some of the comments above are correct. The routers can be open, closed, secured, etc... It doesn't matter. The card will still pick them up since routers have a beacon that usually broadcasts 10 times a second. As long as Skyhook mapped that MAC address, and as long as we've picked it up -- you'll get geotagged. If you're in the middle of...
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- Ziv Gillat
apparently this product is actually not available in CF format, only SD.
- Thomas Hawk
Guys, please don't use the CF adapters. Note our site -- they're not supported, and don't work well for various reasons. We know that they exist, but we've tested them, and due to several reasons, are not supporting nor recommending them. Thx
- Ziv Gillat
I hope older cards can be updated by firmware to support these new features.
- Rodfather
@Logical Extremes: Most Eye-Fi Cards support videos as well, not just JPG's.
- Ziv Gillat
@Rodfather: All cards get the Selective Transfer feature for free. Raw, Ad-hoc and movies are not possible as upgrades. Thx.
- Ziv Gillat
With the iphone tether - thinking it is going to be really hard to lose pictures no matter what the issue or person is.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Oh I bet it's possible. They probably just won't give it to us since they want to sell more cards.
- Rodfather
Is it true that the connection can take up to two minutes?
- Michael Fidler
Perhaps 2 minutes from time the picture is taken to it showing on Flickr or whatever site, not sure. Works pretty efficiently in my opinion. Just uploaded from using my cell phone as a network access point: http://www.flickr.com/photos... Not nearly as speedy as using a wifi router but that is probably to be expected.
- Rick Bucich
very cool Rick. to be expected with the upload speed through a cell phone network.
- Jeremiah Njoroge
Skyhook uses WiFi access point information provided by users. You can check the coverage here http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitwo... and you can also submit the location and MAC address of your own router to add to the database. I did this about 2 years ago and I'm still not listed.
- Gilbert Harding
"The ffcheck bookmarklet gives you a quick way to find out if there are any existing items on FriendFeed related to the web page you're viewing. Simply drag the bookmarklet onto your bookmarks toolbar, then whenever you click the link a list of FriendFeed items will be overlaid onto the page you're viewing. For a demo, just click the "ffcheck" link. You should see a list of all the items related to this page. [Note that as of 3/19 all the existing FriendFeed items point to http://www.kshep.net/ffcheck] ffcheck The bookmarklet executes the JavaScript found at http://ffcheck.com/javascript, which in turn passes the URL of the page you're viewing to the FriendFeed API (http://friendfeed.com/api...). It parses the JSON returned by the API, populates a list, and adds a <div> containing that list to the current document. As of 3/18/2009 the bookmarklet is only 12hrs old and has only been tested on Firefox 3.0.7, Chrome 2.0.169.1, and the Safari 4 Public Beta 528.16 (all on Windows XP). "
- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
Holy crap, Feedly looks frickin' awesome! I may start using Google Reader again.
- Ken Morley
I like this bookmarklet and have used feedly mini before. Feedly doesn't do a good job in finding entries on friendfeed because it only searches on title (I think). This bookmarklet uses the link itself and somehow also works with shortened urls.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
"I made this recipe exactly as written except I substituted 5 green onions, including the tops, cut into fine coins for the chopped yellow onion. And I used sharp yellow cheddar in place of the white cheddar and added about 6 large fresh basil leaves to the topping. Yes, this Mac 'N Cheese has a topping and that is what made it so good and of course the 4 cloves of garlic!"
- Admiral Anika
from Bookmarklet
You have honestly made me hungry for mac & cheese now. ::puts laptop down and runs to kitchen::
- David Cook
No problem. I'm thinking of giving it a Mexican twist, with salsa and cotija cheese. And peppers. I'm going to roast some habeneros and pacilla peppers for this bad boy.
- Admiral Anika
Duuuude. I will babysit for you as long as you cook for me. Deal?
- Lisa L. Seifert
Okay. If we wind up moving up there, I'm totally taking you up on that offer. LOL
- Admiral Anika
...and am now eating teh Mac & Cheese. Thanks for the idea! =)
- David Cook
It's nowhere near as tasty as yours looks though.
- David Cook
David, that's not my photo it's the final product from the link above. I am making mine right now. Got the water on the stove. I'll take pictures.
- Admiral Anika
Oh, well either way I just had Kraft Mac & Cheese. Yours will still be tastier. :)
- David Cook
Did you follow her recipe? I used 8 slices of bacon on mine and think it still needed more.
- Admiral Anika
Eh... weak thinking by the writer. Confuses cause and effect and ignores the fact that the wealthy pay the vast majority of taxes.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
You mean Anthony the people with 95% of the wealth pay more taxes? That's so strange.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, I'm not implying any fundamental justice nor lack thereof. Just saying that there's a fairly tired argument playing a big role in the thinking here....
- Anthony Citrano
What's so tired? People with more money pay more taxes like taller people help get the can off the top shelf.
- Todd Hoff
It's not a tired argument, Anthony. The poor get screwed because of a lack of access to goods and services that are available to the middle class. The rich don't get screwed because they have to pay more taxes. They pay more taxes because they are well off and can afford it. The poor can't afford to pay more for food and basic services, yet that's exactly what happens. There's nothing fair or just about that.
- Alex Scoble
Also, the poor get screwed because when you say "Poor" most people's head goes straight to the homeless guy who's on drugs they see by the train station and thus feel little real sympathy. As opposed to the working poor.
- Wirehead
I'm on both sides, I grew up more poor than the majority of "poor" people in the US, we couldn't afford NIKE or hell, decent junk food. I wasn't anorexic, I was malnourished and as a result could have been a good 3-4 inches taller, so it burns my hide when I see people comment in ways that shows lack of compassion or understanding. But on the other hand, My husband and I get raped by...
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- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
I don't know how taxes entered the equation. This article wasn't about that nor was it about people who get hand outs. The article is about the working poor which people seem not to realize exist. It's possible to go to work every day and still be poor. It's possible to work hard for that raise you finally get and still be poor. And because they work they STILL PAY TAXES. These people don't like others who game to the system to get handouts and the like either. Is that inconceivable?
- Kenya
No Kenya, but I think that people standing on the other side can only see the economic side of the equation at times. The one that puts my income at 36% on the federal and at another 14% of gross on local and state.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
A long time ago in a place far, far away called the USA, the idea was that if you wanted nicer things you bettered yourself financially so that you could. It was an arcane, no longer used idea called "incentive." Look it up for yourself if you don't believe people in olden days actually used the term in everyday life. Now, in the enlightened times in which we live, called the...
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Mark, I like you, but the fact that you never register that the system keeps these people down, actually makes it harder for them to get out of poverty than it should be, makes me sad.
- Alex Scoble
What the poor deal with isn't a disincentive to being poor, it's actually a trap to make sure that the poor stay poor.
- Alex Scoble
If the system is broken, Alex, which I agree that it most certainly is broken, why do we continue to use it?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Mark, because it benefits the few who are using it to it's fullest expense. The system "NEEDS" people who can and are willing to work for min wage, and work 2-3 jobs to make it, like Nike "needs" to use child labor to turn the constant profit that keeps its stockholders happy.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Something I find totally disgusting is that in the UK, if you have a second job you get taxed on the income of it to the point where you've effectively worked for free. There's no sliding scale based on the income of those jobs, just a flat, great big chunk. While this doesn't harm the quality of living for those that earn a considerable wage, it unfairly punishes those that need the money they earn far more.
- alphaxion
I think George Carlins words are applicable here.. "The rich do least of the work for most of the wealth. The middle classes to most of the work for some of the wealth. The poor are there to keep the middle classes in check".
- alphaxion
And because it's easier to be comfortable with whatever you are given in life as long as it's not too heinous- Bread and circuses are powerful tools, Just pay a little attention to the propaganda in K-12 schools for a little while, and you'll see, that the US is "Truly the land of the free (/sarcasm)."
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Gina I agree to a point. No matter where you are on the political spectrum we can all agree that there needs to be a safety net for those who unexpectedly fall. We can also agree that even though two people have exactly the same start in life they most likely will end up vastly differently, financially, at the end. That is called life. It isn't fair, and it was never meant to be fair....
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
{stock recommendation of Barbara Ehrenreich's "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America".}
- Andrew C
@MVB you're incorrectly grasping the concept of what we mean by "fair". We don't mean some communist "everyone should be paid the same and get the same and live the same". We mean that life shouldn't disproportionately destroy your quality of living if you live in a nation that is wealthy enough. A person making $100,000 and paying $50,000 tax on that income still has a markedly better...
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- alphaxion
Alex said: "Mark, because it benefits the few who are using it to it's fullest expense." I agree, with the expansion that in a 'predator state', according to Galbraith's explanation (which itself comes from Thorstein Veblen in 1899), things aren't automatically terrible for the 'prey'. "in Veblen's scheme of things the industrial orders are not driven to the brink of subsistence. On the...
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- Andrew C
@alphaxion Which is why I wrote "The problem is the wage is too small." The median incomes for both individuals and families in the US are so low that when Tina pointed the actual numbers out to me I was dismayed. It seems likely that the incentive for many to not work is because they are financially better-off by not working. Your example of $15K a year as a wage is, to me, morally...
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
The problem isn't the wage is too small, because prices would adjust to the extra income and things would cost the same, proportionality wise.. it's called inflation ;) The problem is that those with wealth don't tend harbour the social conscience enough to help with society.
- alphaxion
People earn what they are worth to the person paying them. If they are really worth more, then someone will be willing to pay that higher amount. If they are not worth what they are earning, then they will be fired. It's a simple system of supply and demand. Poor people earn what they are worth. Want to raise yourself out of poverty? Make yourself more valuable to the market by...
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- Robert Kenney
"It's a simple system of supply and demand." -- good thing there's no such thing as monopolies or monopsonies to mess up this beautiful theory.
- Andrew C
@robert is that why every western nation has implemented a minimum wage into law, because employers pay them what they're worth or what they can legally get away with? Is that why some fields force new entrants (regardless of educational level) into working placements for free (advertising works like this)? Companies will pay the lowest price possible for the majority of workers, not...
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- alphaxion
Worth reading in this context is the Matthew effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... It says that the poor get more poor and the rich get richer.
- Kris
from Nambu
Companies DO NOT pay you what you're worth. They pay you as little as they can get away with. Doesn't really matter how hard you actually work, either.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
This is really a long and convoluted answer and I'm sure I can't touch on all the points here, but Rasheen is exactly right. There has been a systematic dismantling of worker's rights over the past 25 years. Corporations and politicians are complicit in allowing this to happen. Even after WWII up until after the Korean War a blue-collar family could afford a house and a car, maybe two...
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- James Poling
from email
James brings up an interesting point in US history regarding the employment picture but fails to capitalize on one of the main events and the eventual outcome. In 1945 many, many soldiers returned from the armed forces to the general workforce; but most of the women who had left home to enter the labor pool did not return to being Sally-Homemaker. The effect was a massive increase in...
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
MVB, what about outsourcing meaning that expensive domestic labor in manufacturing and increasingly, office jobs, can be replaced with foreign labor done overseas? Cut the domestic labor pool and while non-offshoreable jobs might see a price rise, the offshorable jobs won't, or not nearly as much.
- Andrew C
Andrew you make a great point. I will counter that what you say may be true today but does not take in to account for the roughly four decades of depressed wages. Out-sourcing labor has been popular only recently. The 1960's and 1970's in the US saw a shift to the two-income family as the norm in order to maintain the "middle-class lifestyle" (home-ownership, car(s) college for the...
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I feel like the "two many people" theory doesn't quite cover it. Too tired to think of why, though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
MVB - wages were depressed for a long time, IMO much longer than a one time increase in the pool of available workers (as women entered the work force en masse). And productivity rose for the last 40 years. Average income rose, even if median income didn't - instead, that money all went to the top. I don't think the free market produced this outcome. However, the go-to books I've been...
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- Andrew C
Adding people doesn't just increase the labor pool. They also increase aggregate consumer demand.
- Andrew C