It's a shame that FF is not growing yet has all better features over the likes of Twitter and Facebook but what is causing the lack of growth and what could be done to increase growth in FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
FF is too much work. Consumes time, needs a lot of effort and most people are happy with one-to-one than one-to many interactions. Twitter wins.
- vijay
FriendFeed fits in a space in between Twitter and Facebook. There is very little reason to join FF if you are already using both Twitter and FB.
- Daniel Sims
Is it down to 'missing' features? Is the poor introduction for new users to blame?
- Kol Tregaskes
Vijay, yeah it can be pretty complicated for the new user, how would you make is simpler?
- Kol Tregaskes
if you make it any simpler it becomes twitter. Only way to go is to get users to replace their Blogs with FF. I think that's what they are working towards.
- vijay
I have replaced some of my blogs with friendfeed. I think it's excellent for blogging (microblogging).
- Svartling
from email
Vijay, you meant for writing your own blog articles? Yep, that would be great. All I'd really need it a few HTML options in the first comment to do this. Nothing too fancy. Then I could blog from FF, embed it on my site and everything is synced, comments and all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Svartling, I've done the same thing also.
- Ashikur Rahman
I think what needs to be done is have a clear "walk-through" example of setting up one's full social media life on FriendFeed. It's a great box of toys for exploring and tinkering -- but trust me, new users will be quite daunted at first unless they have some hand-holding
- Ashikur Rahman
Ashikur, I see this all the time as I seek out new users to welcome them each day. A lot post their first entry as "what do I do now?". Once new users have completed the registration process they are put on friendfeed.com with no other explanation. A nice Flash anim is needed here to show the new user the basic features of the service.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF should go all the way and become a fully-featured Twitter client. People will join and stay for that, then eventually fall in love with FF. Right now, FF's integration with Twitter is just half-way done and causes more confusion.
- Daniel Sims
Make it a fully-featured Twitter client with better blogging functionality.
- Svartling
If I could import my non-FF Twitter friends, keep it refreshed if I unfollow them and swap them to FF users if they join, then I'd use FF as my Twitter client. But the likes of Seesmic Desktop provide all sorts of useful features like RT and tabs for replies for multiple Twitter accounts and DMs.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF requires more time to enjoy. Many of the features are probably difficult for new visitors to see or find. The interface may be overwhelming and it may be a bit too "Zen" in appearance for most people. People used to Twitter may find it harder to connect to others (they may find the lack of @ replies as a communication hurdle). The API isn't exploited as widely as Twitter's. Mobile...
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- phil baumann
FF hasn't gotten the buzz Twitter has. It's seems harder to find like minded people on FF. Maybe, I just don't know how to do it. I love the pictures and the ability to have real conversations. I hate 140 character rule of Twitter. Twitter more people are just talking. Not as many listeners. Lots of marketers and life coaches on Twitter. Don't like that. I like "rooms" on FF. I like...
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- Kimber Scott
What I dont like is to properly track watch my friends, I have to follow FF, twiter, and facebook.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
Kimber, interesting points there. Twitter is definitely a broadcast tool whereas FF is a discussion tool.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have noticed with friends that FF requires some usage on the part of the individual, so it's a hard sell and steep learning curve that way. Most of my friends I introduce here see a relatively blank page, with just my posts. They're timid to subscribe, and thus see a really whitewashed space.
- anna sauce
Anna, agree about it being a hard-sell. I think the email features should be plugged more. I think there is a big market of users that I used to emails and know nothing about social media beyond Facebook. I'm trying to tempt a few friends onto FF via the email features, to them it's a matter of registration then emailing me to a different address. Eventually they may move onto the site and use all the regular features.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think FF is too much for people new to social media I don't know. I think the realtime thing kinda pushed a lot of people away as well. I'm finding myself finding more people I'd rather interact with on Twitter and Facebook than FF. Discussions are nice, but they are time consuming. For anyone with a job that doesn't allow them to be online, a family to take care, a house to take care...
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- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I'd also like to see it pushed as a collaborative tool. It works really well in this sense. Businesses could use FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another thing that bothers me on FF is a user issue, but I think with some encouragement from FF is could be improved: There are too many blank profiles. People should be encouraged to say 'something.' It takes a lot of work to see if you want to follow somebody, if they have a blank profile. Also, private feeds are so off putting. I know they should be an option, but it's very hard to...
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- Kimber Scott
from email
Personally I like the rate of growth, after all a good wine needs time to reach its full potential.
- Kevin J Hatton
Heh, Kevin. I'm not after Twitter or FB like growth but any growth would be nice. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Some of it is habit. And herding behavior. If their friends use it, then they want to. Maybe FF should be all about quality rather than quantity. I stepped through many people to help them start up. Showed them how to use the bookmarklet. None of them wanted to use it. It's a new technology in its own right. Sometimes peeps are just set in their ways?
- Marg Uerite
Peeps have to have a certain level of computer literacy sophistication, just to appreciate it!
- Marg Uerite
Kimber, the user settings page is presented to new users when they register but the description is only optional. I'd like to see an explanation of how and the benefits to why to fill in this be displayed with the tutorial.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, exactly what I was thinking - a little education will solve so many issues.
- Kimber Scott
from BuddyFeed
FriendFeed needs to think through its use cases, & survey users for their preferences between them. Examples are FF as feed reader (needs a "Subscribe to this blog" bookmarklet), or the FF as Twitter client++ mentioned above by several people, which I'm also big on. Then, once decided, make it clear for new users through usage videos, UI "obviousness" improvements, etc. how it works....
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- Alex Schleber
the main reason why friendfeed doesnt catch fire is its lack of complete profiles...i cant search for people from munich,...or from my schools, etc, etc,... FAIL
- Chris Hofmann
I kinda wish I had a local search of somekind. One way that twitter first grabs users is by finding others around you that use it as well as easy tweetups.
- tomit
from iPhone
... and, why do I have to go all the way up to the start of a conversation to comment? Especially when it's a long one?
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
Chris makes a very good point and so does Ashikur. No complete profiles. On FB you can pretty much trust that the person is a real person by looking at the profile, you get a sense of community, you can find people you know, or used to know, etc., etc. Ashikur's point should be very easy to fix.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Mass media is driving twitter adoption nothing else.
- Geoff Schultz
Odd, isn't it. Traditional media pushing the latest "new media" trend.
- Jason Nunnelley
Having just switched over to using Friendfeed for all my social networking, I can say that making this a full-featured Twitter client would bring more people in. Once here they'd realize that's not what it's really about. But the halfway method that exists now is a major deterrent.
- John Ladd
Kol, IMHO: 1) The barrier to entry increases with the character limit and inversely to the photo count. 2) Let's face it, the biggest differentiation from twitter is not comments (twitter has @ replies) or the better search (although, that's big) or attachments (twitter has 3rd parties for that) -- the differentiation is groups, yet the process of finding a group is still pretty awful (by searching - the results are cluttered at best) or non-obvious (by clicking on someone's subscribers and scrolling down).
- tollie williams
The easiest thing about FF is the aggregation. The harder elements at first are saved searches and building up new friends on FF. overcome these two harder elements and it should move better.
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
biggest reason is publicity. no Oprah, no plusk. no MarkZ.
- MikeAmundsen
Better RSS reading-support would be great - I use FF instead of GReader now for simplicitiy but it's not ideal. Searchable profiles too. Searching by location would be great. I'd love to sub to more people in the UK, London or even locally in Kent but that's hard unless that stated they are from that place or join a local-based group.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ashikur, yeah little, basic things like that are still missing.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a "complete profile" what would you like to see included?
- Kol Tregaskes
Should FF should status updates, e.g. on our profiles?
- Kol Tregaskes
tollie, agree that group search results need a lot of work, what would you like to see on such searches? Number of subscribers, group description?
- Kol Tregaskes
George, how could FF overcome those two issues?
- Kol Tregaskes
Marlin, what suggestions have you seen in FF-Feedback that you think would help FF in growing?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, Re: improving group search. I think the Find groups page should look a lot like WeFollow.com, except where WeFollow has category titles, FF should be organizing the groups by "Most (subscribed/active) among (friends/everyone) (today/this week/this quarter/this year/all time)."
- tollie williams
(Yes, that's 2*2*5=20 possible groups. But you would design it to show 3 categories, with the switches I put in parenthesis as interface elements.)
- tollie williams
Oh, and I forgot to say: the text visible should be "subscribers", but clicking on the INFO button would reveal the group's description and an estimated activity count (similar to the new subscriber emails- "about 10 posts a day" eg).
- tollie williams
We don't tolerate trolls. Hence, flat.
- Steven Perez
Steve's point is most likely it. Trolls don't have an outlet here, which limits traffic to truely useful and entertaining content, rather than purely emotionally focused content. FF may have uncovered one of the core reasons for lack of traffic on any social site, in tandem with xkcd's "someone is wrong on the internet": users empowered to effectively ignore trolls limits rate of growth.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
Turn FriendFeed into an embedded comment system and information stream for websites. Make the fact that it's a widget less obvious, replace the commenting system of the host. Host the conversation outside of FF, and bring it back.
- Marlin Forbes
Post, Kimber added you as a friend on Goodreads. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Kimber. To confirm this friend request, follow the below link: http://www.goodreads.com/friend... &utm_medium=email&utm_source=invite - Kimber (kimberscott.art@gmail.com)
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from email
It's almost impossible to be a 'casual' friendfeed user. You either go all in and comment like crazy and spend A LOT of time reading and posting and being witty, and if you're really good you might start to get some subscribers. If you don't invest a lot of time, you don't get anything out of it and your feed sits in obscurity with very little social interaction and you wonder whats the...
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- veo
..which reminds me, ff needs to adopt @reply model to be more engaging. :/
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
I think it just needs to be more traditional. Comments start out very compact in my monitor here. Very unlike a forum and has tinier fonts. The post also feels too grayed out. The rest could be improved by discovery. Related posts like blogs. Better integration of services. Finally better unification of comments from all the things it aggregates. For ex. Posterous really won me over...
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- Fake Name
Didn't mean to start a debate....(but pepsi rocks.)
- Joel Robert Perez
Who cares, I drink whichever one has the better promo going on. Last year that was Pepsi + Amazon
- LANjackal
Pepsi tastes like Heaven, Coke tastes like a slap in the mouth. Plus Coke is apparently old, crotchety and set in their ways. Pepsi evolves with the times.
- Joe Pierce
I like both myself, but Coke *does* have more of a... *zing*, shall we say. Then again, I *do* like the new Pepsi logo.
- Ron Bailey
Let's just pretend New Coke never happened...
- Rob Haas
There is something to be said for staying true to oneself, at least in a logo. Both drinks have changed drastically since their first inception. Pepsi reflects this change. Either way, I almost never have soda and stick to my Arizone Green Tea Packets where all I have to worry about is a tiny bit of Splenda vs heaping servings of HFCS
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I sensed a disturbance in this part of FF and I was right on. Anyway, to set things right... Coke > Pepsi. The End. Also see -->- http://bit.ly/OXpFC
- vijay
Pepsi is all about capturing the younger demo, which requires a rebrand every once and a while.
- Frankie Warren
You're right Frankie. I think the pic is just a little leg pullin' by a Coke lover =P
- vijay
Pepsi wins the taste test. Coke wins on the logo until the most recent 2008 Pepsi version.
- Dane
It's like wine, you have to choose the soda that best compliments what you are having. For bourbon, I prefer Pepsi, but with rum Coke is the proper choice.
- Reed Porter
Reed, exactly - Pepsi in rum is sacrilegious!
- Paul OFlaherty
Very nice! That's way too good for a high school photo.
- Mark Krynsky
You were so much more glamorous than I was. I didn't understand why someone would want to 'look nice' until I was long gone from HS.
- Sparky
i would have to excavate the photo and then hook up my flatbed scanner...maybe this weekend, if anyone still cares by then.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
I don't actually have a HS photo per-se - I dropped out my freshman year. I've got photos from the highschool era though. Let me dig one of those up.
- Sparky
Found the photos, realize I never replaced the scanner destroyed in the Great Condo Flood of 2008.
- Sparky
p.s. will you wear that outfit when I meet you next week?
- Sparky
I find it funny to watch your avatar on the upper left of this almost mocking you here.
- Mark Krynsky
Sparky, I'll wear that dress when I can finally fit into it again. I promise. Next week would not be that time, unfortunately. :P (which means that yes, I still have that dress. And those gloves)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Hey, I was a child of the 80s! I loved that song.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, me too, though it was the last thing I wanted to look like in my senior pic. LOL My friend did my hair and makeup because I couldn't afford to go to the salon. I have never liked how they looked. :) I look...weird. One day I'll pay someone to do a really sweet photoshop job on this pic. Make me look like Not A Whore. :P
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
you could simply post it to the "fix my pic" group on flickr and have it done for free!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I'll bet you could bribe some food-obsessed homo to retouch the photo.
- Sparky
They were my favorite purchase of the entire getup. I'd always wanted satin elbow gloves. lol I had matching white satin shoes too...those dyeable ones that Payless Shoe Source used to have. I should see if I still have pix of the entire outfit. It's actually what I wore to prom my junior year. I was so in love with the dress I couldn't get rid of it. Still can't. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Don't feel bad, A. I still have my prom dress hanging in my closet, too. Baskin Robbins chocolate ice cream stain and all.
- Jenny R.
Just as long as you don't get your "love" all over my dress, we're cool.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
OMG looking forward to Saturday. Sparky and Amanda!!!!
- Sparky
Hells yeah. I'm actually in Oregon right now. Overlooking the Columbia River from the balcony of my hotel room. I'm THAT close. Can you smell me yet?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I can - you smell wonderful. Like Nutella mixed with steak!
- Sparky
Bah - I meet ton more eligible straight hotties than gay ones.
- Sparky
I need to wear a faux wedding ring so people think I'm already married. That's what seems to get people laid where I work.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
i had a similar experience: i suddenly became extremely attractive to women when word got around that i was engaged.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
It's almost like it's a challenge or something. A gauntlet being thrown I guess. I'm happy to throw a gauntlet, even if it's faux. :D
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
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