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FriendFeed Blog: Ben Darnell joins FriendFeed: Ben++! - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
superpultdu, jack, NickCodipietro and 133 other people liked this
Welcome, Ben!
- Kevin Fox
Right on! Congrats, Ben.
- Micah
Congrats Ben! Also, congrats to FF you are lucky to have him!
- Jason Shellen
Data storage and scalability rock. :)
- Louis Gray
Ben's feed is here: http://friendfeed.com/bdarnell
- Bret Taylor
Congrats, Ben! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah Ben!!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
so i finally get my answer to this :) http://friendfeed.com/chris...
- MG Siegler
Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
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- pb:
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Woohoo! Another Googler :)
- Tim Hoeck
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
you're building a friendfeed army there :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congrats
- Özkan Altuner
Nice, any former Google Reader-er is a friend of mine.
- Mike Reynolds
gratz Ben!
- timepilot
Welcome Bret!
- Michael_techie
So, Facebook...?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Poor Ben Darnell. The last to enter are always the first to leave in mergers.
- beersage
Hiring new staff while in secret acquisition talks, not exactly classy guys. I hope Ben knew what he was getting into
- Glenn Slaven
Why on earth does he use the Duck Hunt theme?
- Vezquex
I don't know.. but it is awesome! :)
- Tim Hoeck
Wow, looks like somebody bumped this!
- Kevin Fox
I think there were a bunch of spam comments made to some 2009-era posts by FF employees. For some reason even after the spam is nuked, the post stays bumped.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Yes, I blocked a spammer that was bumping old posts about FF themes and what not.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
OH HAI!
- Eric - seven eleven
Well, let's see this as an opportunity to raise a virtual glass to Ben and FriendFeed-that-was!
- Kevin Fox
It probably had something to do with the Tornado 2.2 release. I noticed Ben was the one who posted about the release on HN earlier. Edit: Or it could have just been a spammer. *shrugs*
- Gimminy
I don't think it had anything to do with the tornado release - a spammer bumped a bunch of Bret's old posts today.
- Ben Darnell
Here, let me save future spammers some time: Hello my name is ____ and I am an attractive young ____ _____ and I would like to contact with you so that together you and I can ___ with ____ while _____ in a highly ____ manner. Please to be responding as soon as is practical. Without your help, the _____ in U.S. dollars will go unclaimed, and the herbal ______ remedy will wither and die. Yours in all urgent seriousness, _____.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
:D, Stephen!
- Anne Bouey
so sweet))lol
- solncee
Awesome Photo :)
- Adi Prcike
Which shows up more, this pic or the Asian gentlemen on the beach?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
bret neler oluyor dostum? kardeşi kardeşe kırdıracaksın canım ülkemde!!! işinin başına dön lütfen..
- aynebilim
testa di cazzo se arcasca tutto te veniamo a cercà e non saremo teneri come i musulmani
- Francesco M.
kime dedin onu francesco?
- aynebilim
Bence de Friendfeede sahip çıksın artık...
- Koleksiyoner Ali
Welcome, Ben!
- Kevin Fox
#timewarp
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Friendfeed Is Going To Kill Google Reader, Not Twitter - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
Jeroen De Miranda, hiroshimo, Dimitar Denev and 27 other people liked this
Interesting. Very interesting.
- Warner Crocker
Very True Loic you made it very clear how easy it is to follow the comments!!
- Paul
FF only works as a feed reader if you like "river of news". If you don't, then it isn't good enough.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
I will not follow you on that one. A think both have very different missions. GReader really is a tools while FF is also a communication device
- Eric Sausse
from twhirl
it has already replaced it for, right now I'm going through some 4 days old posts in gReader, I tend to stop by there less and less
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
from twhirl
With out google reader or twitter, FF would not be what it is today. Remember it's a big circle jerk. I do not see FF killing google reader nor twitter any time soon.
- Mike Fruchter
when will we be able to like comments? :)
- Tim Hoeck
FF certainly doesn't have enough people talking about every single topic I subscribe to. I'm glad you guys aren't preachers at a church, the end of the world would have supposedly been last week.
- Shawn Farner
For me, Google Reader is an even more essential part than Twitter of my FriendFeed experience. So ... as said before... FriendFeed will _not_ kill Google Reader or Twitter, etc. What is happening, however, is that often, the items in Google Reader are arriving after I've already read them via FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
These things always go on through June. Then we have the killing. Or something like that.
- Michael Markman
Eric Sausse, you have a good point, you cannot add just a feed in Friendfeed, they first need to be registered there and added their feed. But FF could add that very easily, adding feeds from people who are not in FF. Then it would put pressure on them to finally jump into the bandwagon
- Loic Le Meur
I agree with Louis & others - GR feeds FF for me.
- R. Ferguson
You can "just add" a feed in FF -- check out the imaginary friends feature
- Brian Sullivan
FF lets you publish your *filtered* google reader shared items, together with other stuff, to make an impression of you and your interests. That's how I see FF: almost a snapshot of a personality. For me GReader is a tool that you can use to filter items into your FF.
- IanBlackburnold
Brian Sullivan, thanks I was wondering the imaginary friend thing! now I know. Here we go, no need for Google Reader anymore...
- Loic Le Meur
yeah, I wont use FF for all of my feeds, I am subscribe to way too many and have already my routine with it. FF is more of a discovery + conversation experience for me
- Gilbert Corrales
from twhirl
Ian, right: I don't want people to form an impression of me based on my subscriptions to D:Listed, TMZ, The Superficial, and Perez Hilton, unless they are really really important, then I'll share the story. And now I've tipped my hand. But anyway: there's a community for feed discovery already: Tuluu. GReader + FF is about what's interesting from the feeds.
- Mark Trapp
I'm with the GReader feeding FF crowd on this one. I use GReader to get the news I want and FF to share it and create conversation. FF is a great discovery tool but I still read a ton of stuff in my feeds before it appears on FF. The UI is set up better for conversation rather than just information digesting IMO.
- Devlin Dunsmore
@devlin I agree... i'm finding it very hard to read pages and pages of link/comments on FF.
- Gaurav Sikka
I hope FriendFeed doesn't kill Google Reader. I find them both vital but I couldn't substitute one for the other.
- Kevin Fox
Again, this isn't going to happen. Services don't always have to exist just to kill other services. Especially ones that do different things
- MG Siegler
its funny season on t'internets
- Jamie
FriendFeed adds much value for me, but the only thing it's killing is time and maybe Scoble's marriage. I wish Loic would work on something more productive like getting Apple to make Seesmic videos work on the iPhone!:-)
- Robert Seidman
We like having a choice for everything we do, but on the other hand, we expect (and sometimes hope) one choice to kill another. No wonder the world can't live in peace all together ;)
- Turker Keskinpala
I never liked Google Reader's UI, but I feel right at home with FriendFeed.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
So true, but time flies too fast when im on friendfeed, i cant stop reading and sending messages! Great conversations though!
- Scott Purdie
going to have to disagree ... couldn't possibly get through all my feeds via FF - just too many for the FF interface
- timepilot
Google Reader is a feed reader, FriendFeed is a feed generator. Sorry, they serve completely different purposes (at least to me). No killing here.
- dgw
friendfeed doesn't allow me to categorize sources, nor can I tag or flag specific feed items in a way that makes it easy for me to refer back to later. for al the hype about friend feed being where the "conversation", it seems like a really poor utility for that. I see that on this blog post alone, the "conversation" is distributed across friendfeed through google shared reader posts, twitter references, disquss comments. The techcrunch "Twitter" post is even a better example. fractured conversation.
- bernie
agreed FF no replacement for reader
- ben rogers
from twhirl
When will folks realize FF is something NEW? IT isnt goign to kill much of the other stuff.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
would love keyboard shortcuts for FF too
- Loic Le Meur
FF is useful as a human filter on the old echo chamber of tech but could never replace a feed reader. gReader shared items into FF is part of the signal for me, but, not a replacement. Much like RSSMeme and it's FF filter. And then there's the twisty bit where I read FF via a feed readier in the first place ...
- Ashton
I'm still new to FF, but I like the search function that Google provides to even the oldest of the feeds. Not sure I would want the number of feeds I subscribe to coming through to FF. I like the combination of posts and conversation along with a few updates from other services like flickr or Digg. I think the 'conversation' would be seriously degraded with the addition of a number of RSS feeds. I would need to see how well FF handles growth before moving from Google Reader.
- Brenda Young
I think you were right. #humdaybumpday
- Ahmet Yükseltürk
still no mention of the 3G iPhone, incidentally
odejda, AJ Batac, Ken Burbary and 3 other people liked this
"one more thing"
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
Good catch
- John Tyra
i'm willing to trade that for a new MBP
- Anthony Citrano
as anthony ha says "god, if there's no 3g iphone, there will be rioting in the virtual streets of the blogosphere"
- Eric Eldon
I really hope it's still coming. Otherwise Apple's stocks will drop as fast as a brick
- Andre Heinrichs
@eric, the native are getting hostile!
- MG Siegler
There is the announcement
- Andre Heinrichs
@mg they sure is!
- Eric Eldon
i smell it
- MG Siegler
it's coming
- Frederic
we ran out a few weeks ago
- Frederic
next 'challenges': 3g, enterprise, 3rd party apps, more countries
- Frederic
I missed it, damn cheering crowd!
- Gez
Cheeper iPhone!
- Gez
question - did apple design the motherboard in house?
we design them all in house, steve laughs
- MG Siegler
Time for a new Ad
Марианна Коготь liked this
"the first phone to beat the iPhone"
- MG Siegler
"introducing the new iPhone -- 3G"
- MG Siegler
slick commercial
- MG Siegler
Gee. You know what? That might just be true.
- Andre Heinrichs
lets watch again!
- MG Siegler
I want one. Seriously.
- Andre Heinrichs
More countries for iPhone
Nicola Codipietro, Thomas Peter, Benjamin Junior and 4 other people liked this
6 countries today - goal 12 countries, strech goal 25
- MG Siegler
how'd we do
- MG Siegler
hey it's like risk :)
- MG Siegler
It's a small world playing
- MG Siegler
LOTS of countries
- MG Siegler
people clapping along to song
- MG Siegler
yes Latvia!
- MG Siegler
is that the annoying small world song?
- Frederic
I can has iPhone nao?
- Andre Heinrichs
35 and counting
- MG Siegler
44
- MG Siegler
50
- MG Siegler
Lalala. Something to hear...
- Andre Heinrichs
everywhere?
- Frederic
so many african countries
- MG Siegler
can anyone see if Colombia is in the list?
- felix
cheers for india australia
- MG Siegler
Please, people don't scream that loud.
- Andre Heinrichs
70 countries - huge
- MG Siegler
@felix - I've already seen a bunch in Colombia :)
- Frederic
I'm SOO waiting for September when this baby launches in India!
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
Did I hear 70 countries?
- Andre Heinrichs
@Frederic, ahh nice! When I went last year wasn't so good... Glad it'll be better next time! Hopefully AT&T makes some deals with them. :)
- felix
Crap, not yet in Israel... At least not here: http://www.apple.com/iphone...
- Eitan Burcat
@Subhasish Vodafone's press statement a couple of months back was generic w.r.t. SE Asia which was assumed to include India. Bharati made an official press release with Tim Cook that they will be launching in India in partnership. What puzzles me is the speeds that they will be able to support on their networks. popular high speed 3G technologies are CDMA based, UMTS & HSDPA: http://www.apple.com/pr... Though this was in the print edition of yesterdays BS, I can't find it online.
- Parth Awasthi
Considering that I am a very frequent user even with crappy GPRS speeds on my crummy (for browsing) SE; I will appreciate anything that is even trivially better.
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
FriendFeed Traffic Is Actually Up Since The Facebook Deal; Thanks Largely To Turkey http://techcrunch.com/2011...
heh
- MG Siegler
Well that's amusing. I'm surprised that an os with approximately zero users would have so many fans. For the record, I'm a big believer in the "instant on, cloud-based os" future, but that platform will be known as Android (and iOS).
Aaron Draczynski, sazain khan, İlter Kalkancı and 42 other people liked this
I'm on your side Paul! :)
- Oguz Serdar
It's certainly a strangely positioned product, but having used one, I find it oddly "good". It's much less crufty than my Android phone. Very clean and simple, and that can speak volumes.
- Steve and 4 other people
There are some who call it... Tim.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I didn't read any of those articles. Did any of their authors seem to be "fans"?
- Gabe
No, but many of the comments were from people who said that I "didn't get it", or that I'm ugly.
- Paul Buchheit
I don't get that Paul is ugly. Wait. What?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Google fans are at times, and increasingly, more insufferable than Apple fans ever were. It must be weird to have an off-hand comment on FriendFeed blown into such a huge story. Unless that's what you were intending; if so: well played.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I've had innocuous posts blow up like that before. It usually starts with a single person tweeting the post with a @techmeme at-reply, and it snowballs from there.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: someone actually used something you said a year ago as a flame on the initial TechCrunch story: http://techcrunch.com/2010...
- Mark Trapp
Oh shit. Okay Paul, apparently the Internet has decided that IT IS ON between us. Fight!
- Kevin Fox
The irony is that I'm currently working on the Open Web Apps initiative at Mozilla Labs, which if wildly successful will mean that apps are installed and used across devices irrespective of the device's OS, rendering the difference between a tablet-sized ChromeOS and a tablet-sized AndroidOS device largely moot.
- Kevin Fox
I'm looking forward to the days of moot.
- Micah
New TechCrunch headline: "Mozilla working on Chrome OS killer"
- Mark Trapp
Micah, if I had some butcher paper I'd make you a Jump to Conclusions mat with a single 'moot' square.
- Kevin Fox
New TechMeme headline: "Mark Trapp newest editor at TechCrunch"
- Kevin Fox
Forget stock pumping-and-dumping: social media pump-and-dumps are where it's at. Quick, someone who used to work at Google say I'm Steve Jobs's successor! It'll have to be true!
- Mark Trapp
Why are you eating popcorn, Johnny? You're supposed to me MCing this momunental showdown!!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
The name of that "instant on, cloud-based OS" does not matter. What matters is the application model and the glue between those applications. Are you saying that in the future developers will be coding Java Apps, using a proprietary markup, no URLs, no introspection and searchability?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I wonder how long before people realize that the cloud is just the mainframe of the future and decide that we should own our apps and data...
- Gabe
my thoughts :) http://techcrunch.com/2010... great discussions, BTW. except for the shots at TC :)
- MG Siegler
wow, MG Siegler is still on FF. that's huge. BTW, you were amazing @LeWeb! :)
- Oguz Serdar
I prefer the more web-based development model, but that will undoubtably be supported by Android.
- Paul Buchheit
My favorite is the one that calls you "gmail's daddy" o_0
- Laura Norvig
Laura, that's it. I will now solely refer to SJobs as the 'Mac Daddy' (And David Atkison, and Larry Tessler. There are a lot of Mac Daddies.
- Kevin Fox
It's an obvious branding issue, but what I'm not sure about is the enterprise market. Releasing with citrix support was a surprise, not that I think our current network system can support that.
- Todd Hoff
The question is native apps or no native apps. If Android loses its native apps, it could as well be called ChromeOS. But maybe the Android brand wins. Me personally I'm more fond of the Chrome brand, also because it's available without special hardware on Windows and Mac. Much like Kindle.
- Meryn Stol
BTW I don't believe Android will go away any time soon. It's a great competitor to iOS. Heck, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Android coming to pc's. Google has plenty of developer resources available to please *any* constituency, whether they like a traditional OS like Android or a "web os" like ChromeOS.
- Meryn Stol
What would be logical if both iOS and Android gain the ability to make web apps first-class citizens of their OS. Much like Fluid on the Mac, and the new taskbar pinning of IE9. I think there comes a time where only geeks can tell the difference between native and web on these platforms. ChromeOS would by definition have less apps than Android, because it lacks the native Android apps, but less than many is still a lot. And still enough for many. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: that already exists in iOS. Mobile Safari allows users to create icons to web apps on the home screen that act just like normal app icons, and Mobile Safari takes full advantage of everything that makes HTML5 apps "apps". A perfect example of an app taking full advantage of what Mobile Safari has to offer is Glyphboard: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post... After "installation" there is no difference between it and a regular app.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I didn't know. Actually got my first iOS device today (iPad). But, making icons is only the very first step. For example, would a web-app be able to use iOS multitasking api's? I think not. That would need to be supported by Safari (one hell of a challenge I would guess... practically rocket science). I'll check out glyphboard. I have much to learn. :)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: actually, they do. Web apps have all the support Mobile Safari has, including multitasking. The web as a platform on iOS enjoys first-class support from Apple, and is currently mostly limited to people's imaginations.
- Mark Trapp
I wonder if Apple would let Chrome on iOS? If my analogy with Kindle is correct, Google would want Chrome everywhere. There, they can add support for their app store. But I think Apple would hate that. I think Amazon has been forced to do payments through Safari.
- Meryn Stol
Now I don't understand what your point is, other than to move the goalposts. What does Apple allowing Chrome on iOS have to do with making the web a first-class citizen? Mobile Safari arguably has better support than even Android's bundled browser, and allows web apps *now* to interact with much of the device.
- Mark Trapp
Ah, like the good old days. Don't let me stop you, continue.
- Eric - seven eleven
from iPhone
Mark, actually nothing. I was addressing two different subjects at the same time. My bad. Both Apple and Google are the only ones able to make web apps seem native on their respective mobile platforms.
- Meryn Stol
But the competitive landscape that is emerging in my head looks very interesting... I really wonder what Apple's web strategy will be... They can't simply let Google have it all in the future. They'll need to try to be a middle man on the web too. They're positioned fine...
- Meryn Stol
In the short term, they might be content with just people buying through the chrome web store. But long-term? OTOH I think Jobs has claimed that the app store is not a profit center for Apple. I'd be fine with Apple in the long term receding to making just absolutely superior, "lickable" hardware.
- Meryn Stol
Apple's been at the forefront at pushing the web forward: they spearheaded WebKit and were telling developers in 2007 the future of apps was the web. It wasn't until much later that they built the App Store after developers insisted that apps were the way to go. The App Store turned out to be wildly successful, but there's no doubt the web is incredibly important to companies like Apple...
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- Mark Trapp
I agree. But I'm still wondering about whether Apple sometimes does want to be a middle man. They had beef with Amazon (and perhaps others?) re in-app payments. I don't know the details of the story though.
- Meryn Stol
There is no evidence to suggest, and Apple has published everything one could possibly publish to the contrary, that they want to get in the middle of the user and the web; they regulate the App Store, iOS, and the physical devices for their business interests and quality control. In app payments are exactly that: payments within apps that have been distributed through the...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm just thinking that maybe Apple's beef with Amazon was a fairness consideration. Jobs has said that they take a cut from app purchases to pay for the app store infrastructure (and sponsoring the free apps). Kindle app is free, so would be sponsored, yet each install would probably result in substantial money flows (one book is more expensive than a lot of apps). Maybe they should...
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- Meryn Stol
Paul is right. I don't see how Chrome OS can get anywhere. It's like they are trying to solve a 1999 problem. Too bad it's 10 years too late. Now, leave me alone while I play with my connected watch and my new Nexus S.
- Robert Scoble
don't know what to say
- testbeta
remember android too wasn't taken seriously by many in its initial stages it was expected to fade away, but then google gave nexus with help from manufacturers, chrome os comes with a hardware it mght be difficult but lets see how laptop companies see it do they bring out chrome os based notebooks? because it ight actually cut costs, a chrome os notebook is expected to be cheaper than usual win or iOS based notebooks even netbooks lets see how asus sees it
- testbeta
In Defense Of Chrome OS http://techcrunch.com/2010...
some thoughts on this http://friendfeed.com/paul...
- MG Siegler
Man I miss friendfeed. So simple and nice and instant.
Mathew A. Koeneker, Mark Poncy, Jammy Lee and 55 other people liked this
Welcome back, MG
- Jesse Stay
funny how fast tweets still come in too. had forgotten about that :)
- MG Siegler
They still keep it pretty well maintained, and there's still a small, core group that hang out here
- Jesse Stay
simplicity, community, inline media. pretty much everything all in one neat little package.
- Laura Norvig
In my opinion, Twitter is not remotely competitive with Friendfeed for anything. But most of the rest of the world apparently doesn't see it that way, which baffles me. Usually where I go, the elites and masses follow. :)
- Sean McBride
So simple and nice and instant. Same thing as Nescafè.
- Guy
Welcome back! :)
- Oguz Serdar
from Android
Wait a year and Facebook will have a very similar feel, I think.
- Bruce Lewis
There is a reason it hasn't died out amidst all the shelling! Glad to see you here.
- Martha
Corporate life can drive anyone back to a nostalgic past. ;)
- Micah
Welcome back! :)
- AJ Batac
Both of us FF users welcome you back!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
@Stephen: LOL!
- Hieronymous Boosh
Could this be a sign that Arrington's death grip is loosening at last? Anyway, welcome back man.
- JSLeFanu
If you liked Inception, you may also like eXistenZ http://www.imdb.com/title...
Ruchira S. Datta, rowlikeagirl, Kol Tregaskes and 13 other people liked this
true -- but I liked Inception much, MUCH more.
- MG Siegler
I liked them about the same, MG. I'd also recommend 'The 13th Floor.'
- Jennifer Dittrich
If you liked Inception, you may still like Memento much more.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Interesting. I liked eXistenZ fairly well and havent' seen Inception yet.
- c.a.j.
eXistenZ was fine except for the stupid looking organic gun thing.
- Otto
I liked that gun, and the whole trout farm thing.
- Paul Buchheit
Anyway, I'd say that The Thirteenth Floor is closer to the idea of Inception.
- Otto
eXistenZ seemed more chaotic and impromptu. Inception displays an obsessive level of planning, befitting the 8 years it took to write the screenplay.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I loved all the organic stuff in eXistenZ
- Rodfather
And oof, sorry Jennifer and Otto, but I couldn't stand The Thirteenth Floor (http://www.imdb.com/title...) -- I thought it was predictable and dull.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I suppose I'll throw out Dreamscape into the mix: http://www.imdb.com/title... -- some superficial similarities.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I liked Inception (I just saw it a couple hours ago). I hate Memento, though.
- Derrick
I thought Memento was fun.
- Akiva
inception should come in italy in september, i think, so i have to wait. i liked a lot existenz, but it is a very cronenbergian movie. not for everybody's taste...
- Alb. [CHIUSO]
Have a look at Dark City -- http://www.imdb.com/title...
- zeroinfluencer
13th Floor was based upon the German book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... and film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- zeroinfluencer
Watched it and Loved it .. dreams into dreams and more dreams ... :)
- Ashlee Adward
PRIMER seems like a good candidate for anyone who liked the headiness of INCEPTION.
- Nathan Chase
As bad as it is, THE CELL might be worth a viewing too, if you like the plot mechanic of characters being in someone else's dreams
- Nathan Chase
+10 for Primer -- superb movie (considering its tiny budget)
- zeroinfluencer
Also, though tinged with religion, The Man from Earth is worth looking out for. The writer was a Trekie writer, and his son made the film after his death (I believe the writer finished it on his death bed) - as such, the cast are mostly trekie actors who offered to do it on the cheap. Low budget, but some nice twists -- http://www.imdb.com/title...
- zeroinfluencer
Yum! Brizzly Picnics Go Live To Turn Twitter Into A Private Chatroom http://tcrn.ch/cilULD
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and it reminds me how much I miss FriendFeed
- MG Siegler
Loud Noises! Google Buzz Is A Broken Instrument Capable Of Beautiful Music. http://techcrunch.com/2010...
WarLord, Brian, Mitchell Tsai and 15 other people liked this
Heh - I think you just convinced me to turn off Twitter in Buzz :-)
- Jesse Stay
i actually need to as well jesse. i'm sure people hate it when mine come in just like i hate it when others do. google really just needs to shut the pipeline off completely until it works
- MG Siegler
I agree MG - I'm following too many people now to get any sort of value from it. I probably should have taken a more conservative approach at the beginning. At the same time, I get more value from FriendFeed and Twitter right now so I'm not sure it matters until they can get better filters in place.
- Jesse Stay
Totally agree. Bringing other services into Buzz sucks. Why did they copy FriendFeed's worst features and none of its best ones?
- Robert Scoble
+100 - "Yes, Google Buzz needs a lot of work in my opinion. To be honest, I think they should just finish the job and more completely emulate everything about FriendFeed. FriendFeed was a great service, but once Facebook acquired the team, it became more of a ghost town then some already thought it was. But there still is a need for this type of service in my opinion, and I’m positive that Google Buzz can be it. (That is, unless Facebook, with their secret messaging project, beats them to it.)"
- Ken Sheppardson
"The big knock against FriendFeed was always that it was the coolest service no one was using. Google Buzz can be the FriendFeed that everyone is using." That, along with the mobile component, is what makes buzz promising to me.
- Karl Rosaen
MG - Great post, really hits on some really sad, but obvious fumbles by the Google Buzz product launch. To be frank, I am still shocked at all the holes in that product - so odd, really makes me think 2 possible reasons: 1. Google was in a huge hurry to ship code and/or 2.) they really suck at product innovation when it comes to social platforms. Heck, they could have just copied FF entirely and done way better than they did. Too many obvious holes in the product - seriously reeks of amateur product mgmt.
- Susan Beebe
haha just noticed that you captured on my more funny tweets in that FriendFeed screen capture shot! LOL :D
- Susan Beebe
@MG We do coalesce multiple posts from same person/service... not sure why that didn't work for you... I'll file a bug. I know we're working on improving our Twitter importation.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, IMHO the coalesce is way too confusing! What does it mean? Filters are the solution - lists, "hide". These weird algorithms should all come second (if at all).
- Jesse Stay
Coalescing collapses multiple posts in a row from the same person/service into one chunk so one person can't over take your stream (as MG showed in his screenshot). Coalescing works for everyone and requires no set up. More to come on filters (which require set-up and therefor are used by a minority of users).
- Michael Leggett
"My reasoning for holding off is pretty simple: I was confused. For the first few hours I was sure it was the best thing ever. Then I was certain it was the worst thing ever. The truth, not surprisingly, is likely somewhere in the middle. Google Buzz is a service with a ton of potential, but the execution of it is so bad right now, that’s it’s at points completely unusable."
- RAPatton
Michael, my suggestion - do what FriendFeed does and describe what you're doing then. I have no clue what you're doing when you coalesce. On FriendFeed, when they Coalesce, they simply show a text link below the post saying "x related posts". If there is more activity on any of those related posts, they go back up to the top. FriendFeed already has this mastered - don't be afraid to copy them.
- Jesse Stay
Most of the time when I see FriendFeed "coalesce" posts, it's not multiple items from the same author, it's items from multiple authors that all include the same link. For example, if more than one person shares MG's article, you'll often see just the item from MG, then a link to the related items from LG, Jesse, etc....
- Ken Sheppardson
... I rarely see FF "coalesce" multiple posts from the same author, most likely because they (1) seem to import most items in near(er) real time and (2) sort items by the time they were *create*, rather than the time they were imported. So while FF might import a bunch of Reader shares at the same time, the items weren't actually *shared* at the same time, and they end up mixed in among other items.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Jesse We use the stacked card metaphor that we use everywhere else in Gmail. I agree that spelling it out is preferred. We tried at least 8 other visual ways to show this (most of which said something like "20 more posts from Paul on Twitter") but it competed with the visible post. I'll take another swing at it, but I don't think this ranks high on the list of things to spend eng resources on right now.
- Michael Leggett
We don't coalesce on URL right now.
- Michael Leggett
Michael: But the metaphor's broken. In gmail, you stack items in the same conversation. In buzz, you stack items from the same author. They're usually unrelated. It wouldn't make any sense to stack multiple unrelated emails from the same sender in Gmail, and (to me) it doesn't make sense to stack them in buzz. I might not mind if there were a keyboard shortcut to unstack, but right now stacking's probably in my top 3 most annoying things about buzz.
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael: unrelated to the coalescitude of posts, but related to filtering, any chance the 5 second delay to mute a post while the mute animation resolves itself can be removed? It's hard enough as it is without automatic filters, but to have to wait for posts to hide, especially when you're trying to mute a bunch at the same time, is painful. Related to the coalescitude, and related to...
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- Mark Trapp
+1 Mark. The 5-second delay is another of my top three gripes. Gmail doesn't delay when you archive an item, delete it, or report it as spam... Reader doesn't fade/delay when you mark a post as read. Buzz is being inconsistent among Gmail tools and just plain annoying.
- Ken Sheppardson
BTW, the third of my Top 3 Gripes is the fact that comments from *anybody* bump items in my feed. On FriendFeed I believe items are bumped only when someone I follow comments. Combined with friend-of-a-friend, this gives FF killer discovery features that Buzz can't touch. I might understand bumping when anyone comments on an items where I've been participating, but constantly bumping...
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- Ken Sheppardson
While we're talking about coalescing stacks (a great name for an indie outfit), while it may not be valuable to change the stack metaphor, it'd be helpful to have some sort of stack delineator to know where a stack ends and begins. When you expand a stack in Gmail, it's no problem because you only see one stack at a time. With Buzz, on the other hand, when I expand the stack, the...
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- Mark Trapp
Is there any situation in Gmail where you get a stack where there's no indication whatsoever of what's in the other "cards" in the stack? In every situation I can think of, you at least get a single line of author information, date, and the first part of the message. Adding author, source, and date in a single line on the "hidden" cards in buzz really seems like a no-brainer.
- Ken Sheppardson
OK, sorry to rant, but I've been holding all this in... if we're going to get hung up on Gmail metaphors, how 'bout just giving us the basic gmail view of Buzz? A list of items, with author, service, subject, date info in a single line... then let us mark things as read and archive them just as we do in gmail? Right now looking at Buzz is a bit like looking at one's Gmail inbox with all the messages expanded.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think we scared him off. :-(
- Mark Trapp
Y'all didn't scare me off (yet).
- Michael Leggett
Doh! Can't use enter to add multiple lines in FF.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah, It's like IM or IRC, Michael. "Enter" should "Enter" on Buzz as well. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mute 5 second delay. That is an unintended bug. Filed and being worked on. I hate the delay. I hate even more how much I have to use Mute to make Buzz work for me. The later problem is more important in my eyes.
- Michael Leggett
Awesome, thanks. I agree with you, but I figured the 5 second delay might be a small thing while mitigating the reliance on mute might be a fairly large thing.
- Mark Trapp
Yes - we should still fix the 5 second delay.
- Michael Leggett
Re: Buzz should just copy FriendFeed. I have the utmost respect for the FriendFeed team (I'm a big Kevin Fox fan) and the product. And I imagine most of you have come to enjoy the product it has become as well. We did not seek out to copy FriendFeed and will not start to do so now. Some of the holes in our product are intentional (aww snap... this would be awesome but it is a lot more...
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- Michael Leggett
Always bumping to the top sucks. The team agrees and is working on short term fixes as well as long term awesomeness. Never bumping to the top sucks too as conversations tend to die out b/c they get burred by new content (I know that at least Scoble and Kevin Fox will disagree).
- Michael Leggett
I think there's a difference, Michael, between "copying" FriendFeed and taking of advantage of the fact FriendFeed has found and has had in place for ~2 years elegant solutions to many of the issues that make Buzz difficult to use. In the spirit of "standing on the shoulders of giants" (with props to DeWitt's post the other day), I'd hope the Buzz team can avoid any not-invented-here syndrome or fear of being seen as "copying"
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael, I think you will find a receptive audience here - most of FriendFeed *wants* to find a better service I think. I believe the most important thing for Buzz right now, over any other priority, is getting lists and filters in place. I absolutely can't use Buzz until I have that. I'll provide additional feedback after I have that, as nothing else matters until that happens IMO.
- Jesse Stay
Stacks are rapid consecutive posts from the same person and source. Reader shares probably have nothing to do with one another. There should be a shortcut to unstack. Mute shouldn't kill the entire stack. I'd love to spell out what is coalesced. I'd love to coalesce by other things (e.g. URL). I don't think we'll try to define the beginning / end of the stack once expanded. You can't re-coalesce it and it is just extra UI.
- Michael Leggett
@Ken, yes, when a thread in mail has more than 10 read messages in a row (it might be more) we super-collapse them such that you can't see what is in those cards. Doesn't mean this metaphor / UI is a home run and can't be improved upon. I actually think HTML mode of Gmail has the best UI.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, it's still unclear what those stacks are in the UI though. In FriendFeed, it just tells me what it's doing ("3 related posts", etc). In Buzz I have to guess what that is (I usually just ignore it because I don't know what it is)
- Jesse Stay
But IMO all that's miniscule in priority compared to the usefulness of lists and filters. That stuff should be much lower priority.
- Jesse Stay
Guys... you are getting close to scaring me off. How many ways can I say, (1) this is why it is the way it is (2) I agree with you that it could be better (3) I'll pass it on to the team and (4) i think we have bigger fish to fry and don't expect a fast fix on this issue.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I don't think we're attacking you - why are you getting scared? This is just feedback from people that have been using a similar, and better service for years now.
- Jesse Stay
Right... I get that. I just feel that I've responded and I'm getting the same feedback over and over.
- Michael Leggett
You don't need to respond, Michael. It's not like we expect you to turn around and check in code or commit to dates or anything. Just acknowledging that you're listing is enough... at least for me. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
And just as an FYI, stacks are always same user/source. It isn't spelled out as it could be. But, now you know.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah, exactly. We just want to know you're listening. This is the first feedback I've ever heard from the Buzz team. Nice to have you over here. It makes me feel a lot better about the service.
- Jesse Stay
"I'm getting the same feedback over and over" You mean the same thing from the same people over and over again? Or the same feedback from everybody? Seems like the latter has some value.
- Ken Sheppardson
I mean, in this thread, I've heard and responded to "but it isn't clear what those stacks are in the UI. FriendFeed tells me. Why can't you do that?" After I responded, others (or maybe the same people) said the same thing. On this thread.
- Michael Leggett
Yeah... as DeWitt said... I think the entire team would love to be engaging more with users (via any medium/service). And I think they will eventually... but they are all totally heads down right now.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I just wanted to be sure you understood. It sounds like you do.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Honestly, for me list and filters aren't nearly as important as just basic navigability. But then I don't follow hundreds of people, and I've never really taken advantage of lists in Twitter or FriendFeed. I think I'm less the corner-case-social-media-expert user than you are in that respsect :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I think a lot of the problems people complain about on Twitter/FriendFeed/Facebook would be resolved if people knew how to use lists. I think that's a user education issue/Ux issue more than it is lack of usefulness. I taught my Mom how to use lists in Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Michael: I think maybe after you said "I don't think [coalescing] ranks high on the list of things to spend eng resources on right now" maybe some people though they should try to convince you otherwise. ;-) Plus we're just having a convo here. Sorry to be redundant.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yup. Got it Jesse. And no worries Ken. Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Really useful. I'm going to sign off now, but you can always send me feedback via your preferred communication tool. I am on most of them as listed at the bottom of http://leggett.org.
- Michael Leggett
Michael, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to the feedback in this thread. Two things that really spoiled the FriendFeed community was the FriendFeed-Feedback room, where FriendFeed team members, at least before the Facebook acquisition, would respond within a few hours after someone posted feedback with a fix or some information as to what the thinking was behind a feature;...
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- Mark Trapp
And when you guys are ready for API feedback, Ken and I are the people to come to. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for letting us vent, Michael :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
And of course, I'll try to keep an eye out for future discussions like this where I can share what in the world the team was thinking / where we're heading (as much as I can).
- Michael Leggett
I agree - thanks for listening Michael. It's a welcome change.
- Jesse Stay
With Subscriptions Off The Table For Now, Apple To Test $1 TV Shows - http://techcrunch.com/2010...
Boom
- MG Siegler
Big News - Yelp Enables Check-Ins On Its iPhone App; Foursquare, Gowalla Ousted As Mayors http://www.techcrunch.com/2010...
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I'll say it again. MG Siegler is the master of the catchy headline.
- Mike Doeff
thanks mike.
- MG Siegler
Remember when I made this? Can't wait for this functionality to come to FriendFeed. Hot Dog Stand here I come!
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MY EYES ARE BLEEDING
- Eric Eldon
woah - tell me you're still not using this...its quite possibly the ugliest thing ive ever seen.
- Zee.
That's like an outfit from The Fifth Element
- Jay Cuthrell
Now I'm craving Hot Dogs
- Jesse Stay
i call it eggplant orange juice with blood.
- MG Siegler
for healthy vampires
- Eric Eldon
I feel bad for your monitor that has to serve that up...haha
- Mike Bracco
MG, maybe we should save you the trouble and make one that looks like this for you. We'll call it parislemon.
- Dan Hsiao
i think that may cause a FF revolt. or vomiting.
- MG Siegler
Absolutely love the color scheme! :)
- Jonathan Hardesty
lol it's festive. My Gmail is bright green and orange. LOVE
- BEX
ya lets myspace up this bitch!
- sean percival
Paul -- hey you listenin'? hhaha! don't ya love those colors! LOL (Dan - good idea!, do it!! haha)
- Susan Beebe
Oh My GATO!!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Looks like a box of Crayola's just threw up. : )
- Mike Doeff
Cool
- Andrew
I would go out of my mind by the end of the day. LOL
- Drew Lucas
Painful.
- Anne Bouey
*sheepish laughter* heh, that's just, er, wow.
- Rick Cogley
This is a beautiful work of art. Bravo! Encore!
- Sarah Lane
i aim to please.
- MG Siegler
Just looking at that might give you colon cancer.
- Gary C
Or keep you away from gmail long enough to be productive on the task at hand.
- Mitch
B to the U to the M to the P http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed has themes now. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert MacEwan
much harder to ugly this up, but i tried http://friendfeed.com/parisle...
- MG Siegler
looks like helvetica to me... :)
- Jim #TeamMonique
did u build it yet? lol
- Phillip Grady Jr
literally brilliant way to push people to use gmail... ;)
- Marc Mulhern
its ugly as sin but it is a point. I would love to have a bit of text control and layout control and colour control.
- workingbike feed
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- gift
Die Spammer, Die!
- Rick Cogley
1998 all over again.
- Will Higgins™
This year's holiday presents apparently included several more gray hairs in my sideburns. #joy
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If new gray hairs are presents, then every day is Christmas for me.
- Jim #TeamMonique
as they say, every day is a gift.
- MG Siegler
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
The fact that @parislemon is checking his FriendFeed in real time the day after Christmas shows how dedicated he is. Or something. :-)
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Dedication or maybe bored?
- Owen Greaves
it shows that twitter is a parasite on Friendfeed
- Steve Gillmor
ha ha
- MG Siegler
Well, I was just thinking about how cool it is that not many people other than MG are on here, which makes it a great back channel.
- Robert Scoble
i said i'd start using again once tweets went real time again. they have, so here i am. still would love to see more conversation like the old days though.
- MG Siegler
mg that wont happen - especially since ff is now thought of as a facebook testing ground
- Allen Stern
FF is a mine field for FaceBook : )
- Owen Greaves
Yeah, I don't think that will happen, Allen is right as he usually is. But we can get a few thousand people to participate in threads here thanks to Twitter. The thing is, why would I push traffic here instead of over to my Facebook page or, even better, my blog? (and same for Techcrunch?)
- Robert Scoble
yeah i have my doubts too. still love the tech and the execution.
- MG Siegler
agree - the tech here is quite amazing -- too bad the concept of this becoming the new forum never happened :(
- Allen Stern
Owen: all Facebook would have to do is add real time comments and real time search and then FriendFeed has no reason for being other than my brother's posts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
this isn't about traffic, kids
- Steve Gillmor
yeah there were some cool things they could have done with that robert. too bad.
- MG Siegler
Robert: Yes, the questions in my head is...why hasn't that happened?
- Owen Greaves
Steve: right. It's a good back channel. Maybe we should keep quiet and just use it for that? The masses are asses, my history teacher used to say. I think I'm starting to agree with AJKeen and that's freaking me out.
- Robert Scoble
Owen: it takes a while to make shit work on systems for 350 million people. Plus, if you were the FriendFeed team wouldn't you want to do that AND something else mind blowing? I would.
- Robert Scoble
this is public robert. not a back channel
- Steve Gillmor
crap this is public? i'm outta here again.
- MG Siegler
Steve: if there's no public here it's not much more than a back channel.
- Robert Scoble
robert - for all intents and purposes ff has always been a back channel - just look how intimate people have been since the launch
- Allen Stern
right allen
- Steve Gillmor
If a tree falls in FriendFeed and only the people participating in this thread hear it fall did it really fall?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm not suggesting its easy or quick but they do know what to do and it has been awhile. I'm thinking its coming, something mind blowing I'm not sure.
- Owen Greaves
Owen: well, I'm sure we'll hear more about Facebook's plans soon. Probably on the Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Nice shameless plug :)
- Owen Greaves
this is the Gillmor Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: Good Call! LOL!
- Owen Greaves
Steve: heheh. Except with a micro audience. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's a public. there are many publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
Steve: Us Canadians are probably too polite to be on the Gilmour Gang : ) J/K
- Owen Greaves
I do love the quality of the people who are showing up on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe my strategy of pissing off people on FriendFeed who like cat photos and other inane stuff is working. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The only good cat is a dead cat!
- Owen Greaves
it's like the old band is getting back together
- MG Siegler
listening to stereo mix of Abbey Road
- Steve Gillmor
Owen: +1 :-) MG: yeah.
- Robert Scoble
Steve, you better hide your cats...
- Cliff Gerrish
Old times Good times :)
- Johni Fisher
I'm listening to the rain on the roof. Reminds me to start up Spotify.
- Robert Scoble
Steve: Memory Lane....oh no sorry that's Abbey Road : )
- Owen Greaves
Johni: thanks for the call yesterday!
- Robert Scoble
they all rain out on She's So Heavy
- Steve Gillmor
MG you going to CES? Is anyone on this thread going?
- Robert Scoble
i'm not planning on it, no.
- MG Siegler
Lucky you.
- Robert Scoble
robert - i got my full pass the other day in the mail - sadly i am not going - i wish i could give the pass to someone who wants to go but the docs say thats not possible
- Allen Stern
Robert: I'm not, but I might go to Wal-Mart : )
- Owen Greaves
My pleasure Robert
- Johni Fisher
although i am receiving like 20 emails a day from pr firms who think i will be there :)
- Allen Stern
How about Macworld. Who is going to Macworld?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Wal-Mart is probably more fun.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ya, if you like low level thinkers
- Owen Greaves
Steven: no. I might crash the big iSlate event, though. It would be fun to see Apple PR turn me away.
- Robert Scoble
I'll get MG to film that.
- Robert Scoble
robert if they throw you out, just tell them you will complain on twitter - apparently this worked for someone with an issue with whirlpool
- Allen Stern
hehe :)
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Allen: Apple is going to be the last company standing that doesn't care about Twitter and what anyone thinks there.
- Robert Scoble
I complained about Best Buy Canada and best BUy USA was all over me : )
- Owen Greaves
agree
- Allen Stern
Of course, if I really wanted a scoop I'd rob Walt Mossberg's house the week before the event. He'll have one, I'm sure.
- Robert Scoble
Well, Apple does have various twitter accounts for iTunes stuff. So, they are a bit invested in it. No where near the level of say Dell, which apparently is making some bucks with their delloutlet account.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
steven - that dell story is bullcrap :)
- Allen Stern
Man, sometimes I wonder how tempted the UPS delivery guys are at UPS.
- Robert Scoble
yea robert - give up a great job with benefits for the hope of getting your name on engadget for a post?
- Allen Stern
Apparently they generated over 1 million in revenue from that account: http://en.community.dell.com/blogs...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Allen: UPS drivers get benefits? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
steven - while they might have generated revenue from their promotions - the majority of it didn't come from twitter - but it's a good pr story - the tech blogs sucked it up quicker than a foursquare new city launch
- Allen Stern
I suppose you are right. I've noticed that the mainstream networks seemed to really love this story.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
steven i don't wanna hijack this thread but as a deal hunter level 5, i am happy to discuss anytime
- Allen Stern
lovely chit chat LOL BTW Could we discuss weather? for a change :D
- Lora Lufark
Wonder if the joojoo will tank after iSlate is released?
- Susan Beebe
@ Susan I asked the same question http://myphillynetwork.com/why-the...
- Anthony Farrior
MG Siegler: have you heard that the iSlate or whatever it's called might be Steve Jobs' last big product at Apple?
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that's certainly a possibility given his age, health, and product cycles
- MG Siegler
Yeah, I heard that from someone who knows lots of execs at Apple. Also, that Steve has personally been involved in this project a long time. I hope he hits it out of the park again. Even if he doesn't I'm still buying one.
- Robert Scoble
that said, i bet apple has plenty of other big projects in the pipeline that are started but wont see the light of day until after he's no longer running the ship.
- MG Siegler
This person told me that Jobs was a lot closer to death than most reported, but is doing well now. I imagine having that kind of experience must change one.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, yeah. I wonder what they will do next year to make the Android chase again. It'll be interesting to see how Apple handles having to react to Google rather than forcing Google to react to it.
- Robert Scoble
It would be nice to have an iPhone with a much higher resolution screen and longer battery life.
- Robert Scoble
my guess: faster, faster, faster. and if they can improve battery life enough we may finally see limited background tasks
- MG Siegler
That would be cool. I'm liking my Droid better. Not because it's a great product (it's not, at least not when compared to iPhone) but because of Google Maps (far superior on Android when compared to iPHone) and Google Voice.
- Robert Scoble
yeah looks like some apps with goog voice are finally reappearing. bet we may see a google voice app soon. but still, google is pretty clearly committed to making its products run better on its own devices now, which is natural
- MG Siegler
Microsoft used to be crucified for those kind of moves...
- Cliff Gerrish
yeah the difference is google hasn't started making crap products...yet
- MG Siegler
but i have started giving them shit for that
- MG Siegler
Cliff: that's because Microsoft had (and still has) a near monopoly on desktop operating systems and used it to firm up that monopoly. Android doesn't have a monopoly (yet).
- Robert Scoble
Android won't have a monopoly, neither will anyone else. That's the last war. The question is whether Google will make products that only work with their own systems and still insist in calling them "open"
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: when Google says "open" it just means that the Google spider can get to them.
- Robert Scoble
A First Look at Mozilla's Snowl - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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another of my random tweets that will live on... but seriously, good write-up. i'm interested in this but haven't tried it yet.
- MG Siegler
@MG I know you have a thing for seeing your tweets in screenshots - and this time, you even get to see it three times :) As for Snowl - my advice for now would be to stay far away from it...
- Frederic
I have another concern about Mozilla's approach. I don't really see how it may be useful to have all the activities combined in a browser - it will not only make the browser too heavy to use, it will not solve the main problem for multi-taskers. Now I have to switch between apps for different types of activities and with this approach I will have to switch between tabs. Does it really change anything?
- Svetlana Gladkova
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Though it may reduce my open tabs by 2, I still have lots of multiple tabs open and it really is difficult when Firefox seems trudging along like a man with a leg problem. Slow. Best. alain
- Alain Benedict Yap
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
That's my point, we are damaged by the nature of multi-tasking, not because we have too many tabs open in Firefox.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Right there with you. Uninstalled Snowl yesterday. Trying Feedy now. Anyway, performance in Firefox is just atrociuos these days. Using a tool to clear memory cache, but temporary manual fix. I love the Epiphany browser for performance, but none of my Firefox extensions work and its interface behavior(tabs) is strange.
- Brad Nickel
Same here, FireFox can behave unpredictably in terms of memory consumption but many of us stick to it mainly because of the extensions. This is actually the reason why I have to stick to Outlook - I am a heavy user of Outlook and Plaxo toolbars and can't just get out of this MS product because of them.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
with twitter, Snowl separates Authors and Sources. So you can see the whole stream of a source (all your tweets) or the tweets of just one author. If Snowl was able to a.) do the same thing with FriendFeed and show you FF postings by author, and later b) consolidate all tweets, facebook postings, and FF postings by author, it would be preeettttty powerfully cool.
- Suzannah
Reports are that the quad core iMacs are now shipping. not mine yet.
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yep, i7
- MG Siegler
A test.
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A comment.
- Paul Buchheit
A response.
- MG Siegler
a thread
- anna sauce
A moment
- Mo Kargas
Panama
- Ken Sheppardson
A presto
- keiko-san
B test.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
C test.
- anna sauce
Who wants to be a Zillionaire?
- Josh Haley
A nother...
- Ciro Villa
I looovvvvvvvvveee iiiiiitttt
- sofarsoShawn
no comment
- pb:
result?
- Ashish
this is a no no no nonsense comment thread.
- pb:
this comment has been edited for brevity and punctuation!
- Jay Cuthrell
You pass
- Charlie Anzman
with flying colours (wait, how do colours take flight anyway?)
- Micah
can you ship yourself as a package, perhaps via UPS, Fedex, or US Postal Service? and can you check on your delivery via yPhoney convenietly packed with?
- pb:
google it
- pb:
Would love to pretend this was all me but really it was all @jayzombie
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ha
- sean percival
Foursquare lets you take photos now?
- Michelle McCormack
michelle - only of yourself when you look like the mascot on halloween (ha ha no, that's just my mad photoshop skillz)
- MG Siegler
Awesome!!
- Andrew
this costume crashes too much
- sean percival
This is an awesome photo! I wonder...eerie that they look way too similar. LOL!
- Kenneth
thanks kenneth took a few poses to get it just right
- MG Siegler
dear lord. that's really good.
- Andy Brett
Nice!!!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Awesome.
urdumania1, Garin Kilpatrick, China Internet Rumors and 115 other people liked this
hahahaha
- MG Siegler
haha
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I've been having fun watching the Facebook employees do that today as well - lol
- Jesse Stay
Is there a group "I Just plain hate Facebook"? I'd like to join.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scary thing is I think a lot of people are actually taking that group seriously.
- Tony Miller
Hhahhahaha!!!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
laugh out loud.
- Micah
LOL!! Yes they are, Tony - that makes it so much better. :->
- Kurt Starnes
It's killing me - check it out :-> http://www.facebook.com/search...
- Kurt Starnes
I just love how some people have joined, completely ignoring the description of the group and showing the type of people they really are. I don't *love* the changes, but I will get used to them and someday soon I will not even remember the old way it was done. Change is good... long live change!
- travispuk
hahha that is too funny!! :D
- Susan Beebe
Classy!
- Tyson Key
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
I HATE THE NEW FACEBOOK HOME PAGE, UNTIL ITS NEXT FACELIFT, AFTER WHICH I WILL BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PERFECT THIS LAYOUT WAS.
- Rebecca Sun
Yes, Rebecca, exactly. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Touché Facebook Employees, Touché.
- Navarr
ahahahaha:D
- soldout
Try http://lite.facebook.com/opozo, the simple the better, but not simpler.
- Orlando Pozo
On Drumming And Distractions - http://parislemon.com/2009...
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Spencer Schoeben and Anne Bouey liked this
nope :)
- MG Siegler
Sinuses... killing me... slowly....
George Brickner, Fee501st and Carlos Urrutia liked this
killing me... softly... ?
- MG Siegler
Is that your "bad mood" profile pic? :)
- Thomas
Vampira Veronica!
- Veronica
Vampira, eh? You sure it's sinuses and not the fact that your still up and the sun's out...?
- Thomas
thats a cool pic.
- Carlos Urrutia
I guess they can't kill me... because I'm ALREADY DEAD!
- Veronica
at least you know have your Halloween costume :)
- Carlos Urrutia
I take it you ran out of Ron Howards...
- Thomas
Amy keeps eating them.
- Carlos Urrutia
Strumming my pain with his fingers. Singing my life with his words.
- Fleagle
Kill your sinuses first.
- George Brickner
Dead people don't need to breathe, didn't you get the memo? Your sinuses evidently did. Breakdown of communication there. :)
- Amy
Carlos: I resent this idea that I can't share the Rons. I'm not THAT greedy!
- Amy
Amy: Apparently she isn't getting enough of them. I mean, look at her avatars complexion. She's going goth. Obviously its because you've had too many Rons.
- Carlos Urrutia
I'm a Scottish geek! I need a booster, man! I'm practically blue!
- Amy
Yeah, but couldn't you just bathe in their blood like normal people? You just *had* to eat them...
- Thomas
I told you, blood makes me faint! Besides, they taste good with BBQ sauce...
- Amy
Yeah, but you took too many from her stock of Rons.
- Carlos Urrutia
It's fine, Dave's off cloning some more!
- Amy
just make sure they are Rons and not Fonzies or Chachies.
- Carlos Urrutia
Hey, do I look like Dave's boss? Dave knows what he's doing...kinda.
- Amy
Hey, this is what happens when you snack on someone else's ingredients stock.
- Carlos Urrutia
‘I Automatically Hate The New Facebook Home Page’ Group Gets Some Big Support - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
rowlikeagirl, Jemm and Brandon Harris liked this
This is getting pretty comical: it's like every time Paul Buchheit posts something here, within minutes there's a TechCrunch article about it.
- Mark Trapp
are you denying this is awesome?
- MG Siegler
No, but I do wonder if this is like the spoken word version of a Garfield comic.
- Mark Trapp
have we gotten an answer as to why tweets are taking so long to show up in FF the past few days yet?
Kazutaka Ogaki, NaHi, Jesse Stay and 3 other people liked this
"We are having some issues with our connection to Twitter that we hope to resolve within a week. We are working with Twitter to find a solution to the problem. - Bret Taylor" via a comment in http://friendfeed.com/mattcut...
- Benjamin Golub
ahh thanks ben, figured someone commented on it already
- MG Siegler
Force-pushes work at least.
- Veronica
true, but that's a pain.
- MG Siegler
"I even remember what it was like before Robert Scoble got here!" - http://louisgray.com/live...
ydfeed, rtshiva, Shea and 85 other people liked this
i do miss festivusfeed. airing of grievances brought about actual FF updates, right?
- MG Siegler
there should be a "love" option for things like this. lol
- shaun mclane
Great example of how the FF culture was a big part of growing a love for the service that will no doubt be eaten by the FB dragon.
- Mark Krynsky
++Mark
- vijay
Awwwww
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Will this be the butterfly?
- Jesse Stay
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
Jesse roflol!
- Melanie Reed
Jesse wins!
- Micah
Cristo, not enough. It was in December of 2007. :)
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed has never released user statistics, to my knowledge.
- Louis Gray
I forgot about this one, a true classic. I need to have a high-trafficked site just so I can pull out gag logos.
- Vezquex
FriendFeed Not Dead, Just In A State Of “Chrysalis,” Says Co-founder - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Casey Muller, Kol Tregaskes, David Cook and 23 other people liked this
I love seeing Paul and Bret liking these things.
- Jesse Stay
me too.
- MG Siegler
And Eric Eldon :-) (Does this mean Eric's using FriendFeed more?)
- Jesse Stay
hey jesse - i actually never stopped using FF! we use it internally.
- Eric Eldon
Eric, maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention - you are now officially on my favorites list, sorry about that! (now embarrassed)
- Jesse Stay
Good times.
- Micah
Hey, Paul, you should post something like "I am the walrus" and see if it generates a TechCrunch article. Extra points if you can get them to say "monkey".
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I'm still unclear on whether being the walrus is a good thing or not.
- Paul Buchheit
I think it depends on whether you ask John Lennon or Lewis Carrol. Maybe you could leave that part out and just go with "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul - exactly - gotta wonder, what the heck did Steve Gillmor mean by that? Walrus, really?
- Susan Beebe
But at least it got everyone's attention that is good, but now we want to know what is next, anticipation, a lot like a ketchup commercial.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
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