It’s cute on the surface but think about it… The CSS is always telling the HTML what to look like, how to say things, how to carry itself. This sounds like a very controlling relationship. Granted no one ever hears the CSS without the HTML, so I guess it balances out in a weird way. Still, very cute nonetheless.
- Irma Vermaat
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but...but....but.....I don't wanna go outside :(
- Stephanie Segel
Second Stripey's comment! MUCH better. =D
- parsonii
Seeing these kinds of things posted on social networks is ironic. Thanks, grandma, but I bet I've talked to way more people than you've ever known.
- Andy Bakun
Are zoos/aquriums inhumane? They used to be my favorite places. Lately I am wondering is it cruel and unusual to trap animals in confined areas just so we can look at them up close and personal. Maybe they are meant to be appreciated the way "God" meant it -- in the wild on Discovery HD.
Nothing is black and white, but zoos serve a lot of purposes for the benefit of animals as well as people. The power of education shouldn't be underestimated, as I'm sure there are many people who simply won't respect why wildlife preservation is important from a distance. Beyond that, they serve as embassies into the animal world, and are typically the only places where studies and breeding programs can be enacted.
- Brad Greer
I like the idea of zoos as embassies, nice one Red :) As for whether they're inhumane... this guy told me about a drunken time when he and some buddies decided they were going to free the (I can't remember the animal now - monkeys?) from the San Diego zoo. "The Sierra Club is going to LOVE us!" they figured. Only after sneaking in late at night, when he climbed down into the monkey cage, he was actually in with the tigers. He lived. Aside from that, all I know about zoos I learned from reading Life of Pi.
- Lo
Remember that stupid kid that got mauled by a tiger (lion?) in SF Zoo? All signs, short of a video, point to the fact that he was doing something stupid that (1) provoked the animal and (2) somehow allowed it to get out of the exhibit (his shoe was inside the exhibit, for God's sake). Poor tiger had to be put down for that clown?
- parsonii
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I actually just went to a zoo (York's Wild Kingdom) and was disappointed how torn I am between enjoyment and sadness. I loved seeing the little kids get so excited, and I liked seeing the animals too. But at a few points (the pair of lions, the African Grey's with no toys) I really felt that maybe it wasn't worth it. Zoos collectively do great work in animal behavior, genetics, breeding...
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- Heather
"Plus, the lions don't eat nearly enough stupid people." Lol, lol, lol, just love it!
- Sandra
The overwhelmingly popular response to a flawed world is to distract oneself with various superficial diversions, generally ignoring problems as much as possible. This can make everything seem all right, at least temporarily. Is it enough for you?
This is probably a stupid question to even ask, as I look around FF. But for me, the answer is no, that is not enough. Follow up question, if self deceit is abhorrent in some cases (some of you have vehemently made this case, especially when it comes to religion), then why is it acceptable when you do it in other ways? And I'm not trying to make a point, I truly want to know.
- Lo
It has to be, for now, because for the most part there is nothing I can do. For every gallon of water I saved there are people take showers 3x a day, or washing their cars daily. For every plastic bottle I put in the recycle bin, there are a gazillion others out there just think that this whole recycling thing is a scam. What's worse is their attitude, "I simply don't give a shit," they...
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- parsonii
I wasn't looking for any answer but an honest one. So I think yours is perfect! I can certainly relate to feeling frustrated at others not being interested in the same causes as me. Of all the ways to deal with this frustration, I think the only way to really lose is to take the "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality. I've tried that many times, and it's never ended well. I get frustrated that there's no one to talk to about Darfur or neurology sometimes, but caring on my own has its own rewards.
- Lo
Last time I said something to that effect I got you more depressed. (Apparently I am very good at that.) I didn't exactly adopt the "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality this time... although I am an expert at that too. :) I still unplug my laptop at night and recycle what I can, I just don't go above and beyond to try to change the world. Not everyone of us are comfortable with the...
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- parsonii
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No, it is not enough... but (the big great but) it is a need. When I do not do so I get in a mood that is mix of anger and depression and pesimism that is not funny even for myself. So I do have to "ignore the problems" from a while to be able to act positively, being the key word "act". Not sure if I make any sense, but the question took me back to when I was 15 and asking my dad "why...
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- Sandra
San, on one level I agree with you, I've thought the same things many times myself. Lately I'm wondering though, whether it's actually attempting to be like the superficial, popular girls that makes existential angst so painful (metaphorically speaking). For people like us, lying to oneself does not seem to be the comfort that it is to others. But I agree focusing on flaws only is...
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- Lo
Just read something that summed it all up much more concisely than I: "In the blinding rain, with pressing needs, goals are lost to view, except to keep from coming undone. Impatient frustration just leads to more tangles. He cannot impose his plan with all this defending to do. The young noble locates his feet and stays put, humbly calling on helpers, noting his losses, counting his blessings." Particularly that last part, note the losses, count the blessings.
- Lo
I hope this makes sense, I have a hard time thinking for any length of time recently (hopefully just due to lack of sleep). I'm really good at untying knots. The reason someone can fight with a knot, end up making it worse, hand it to me and watch me untangle it quickly is that I look at it first. With a knot, or complex problem, diving in and wrenching the thing around wont solve it. I...
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- Heather
Heather, that sounds like a good strategy. It's definitely not ignoring problems via distraction. I tend to be too hasty when untying knots myself, but working on it. For me, either is better than just ignoring the knots altogether and spending all one's time focusing on completely trivial frivolities. (and for the record, what prompted this thread was the day the war in Darfur was...
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- Lo
If we don't leave time to escape from our problems -- time to imagine ourselves in a better world -- then how will we ever know what to strive for in reality?
- Brad Greer
Brad, I guess I wouldn't equate imagining a better world to ignoring reality. I can see how the two might go hand in hand, but either/or is a false dichotomy. Also, when I said "distracting oneself with superficial diversions," I didn't really mean imagining a better world. Watching reality tv, for instance, is nothing of the sort. I find I'm rather limited in my examples, don't want to start a freaking holy war :P
- Lo
Weird. I could have sworn I wrote a nice long response yesterday. Drat. I'll have to see if I can reconstruct it later.
- Brad Greer
:) "whether it's actually attempting to be like the superficial, popular girls that makes existential angst so painful (metaphorically speaking)." Nah. I had that angst at 15. I truly learnt to love the oddball I am (thanks to an equally oddball bunch of awesome friends and years of psychoanalysis, lol). But really, no, there is no "real" escape, no lying to myself, just some...
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- Sandra
Sorry, San, I didn't mean to imply you were a follower. Only some aspects of the metaphor hold :) I don't really know much about Darfur myself, and I'm not the topic police. I just felt bewildered and disappointed by the superficiality of people who so regularly self-congratulate for their superiority to the superficial. But, sure enough, you guys showed up to show me that my judgments...
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- Lo
(spoiler: I'm a total hippie, pacifist type. If we can get some people in here, you can watch everybody attack me while I put daisies in their arguments! :P)
- Lo
#2: Just because I hate myself doesn't mean that I don't have a huge ego.
- Lo
#3: Sometimes it's better to say nothing, even if I think someone is about to make a big mistake (see #1). And sometimes I'm wrong about it being a mistake, anyway.
- Lo
Is it too open-ended, have you never learned anything, or is your life so charmed that everything's come easy? Or something else? Maybe I can help, I love forcing my way into other people's difficulties (see #1) :P
- Lo
#4: Life isn't fair, and when adults say this to children they obscure the true meaning. Sometimes the greatest people in the world are made to suffer far more than any evil. Sometimes causing harm is rewarded. Sometimes seeking justice does more harm than good.* And there isn't anything I can do about it. *The US as a nation fails to grasp this to a comical degree.
- Lo
No one is going to step in and "save me" I have to get off my butt and do everything myself. It's my life and I decided for myself.
- Heather
It just sucks I'm still in the process of learning it, and I'm kinda slow to take action. lol
- Heather
Kind of interesting that I've been learning the opposite lesson for quite some time: It's not always my responsibility just because it won't get done otherwise -- it's okay to hold people to their obligations or ask for their help.
- Brad Greer
#7: No personal rule should be applied without first asking "how important is it?" (think that strongly ties to yours, Brad) Often, despite ethical conflict, it's better to just let things go.
- Lo
#8: It doesn't matter where you try to hide, FaceBook will always come and claim ownership of everything you create and love.
- Lo
Good one, Dave. I'm pretty sure Buddha said life didn't *require* suffering though, see noble truth #3. Not that I agree with Buddha in all things, but it's amazing how everyone I've discussed Buddhism with (here particularly) seems to have been taught a variety of half-truths or outright lies about the philosophy. (edit: sorry, not that I'm trying to start a debate about Buddhism. But...
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- Lo
Lately I try not to look at any advertising. If I can't avoid commercials I just mute them and close my eyes. Even when viewing them skeptically I suspect there's negative effects on the brain. More importantly, if I don't see any ads then all in my presence are spared having to listen to my lectures about the misleading tactics. I actually think it should be illegal to deliberately...
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- Lo
Some commercials are actually *FUNNY*! Sometimes I stop TiVo and go back to watch a commercial. ;) At least they stop the practice of flashing images so fast in advertisement that makes you subliminally want to go out and purchase the merchandises! :D
- parsonii
I actually really like the cash for clunkers ad that shows an old car being lifted up and a new car falling out. :)
- Heather
No way. Jack in the Box has the best ads. Did you see the "Costco" one? Twin pack plasma TV + free 15 lbs beef jerky? :D
- parsonii
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Still learning... trying to learn... not really succeeding at it: PATIENCE (aaaaaaghhhhh!)
- Sandra
Oh, pffftttt, that is SO overrated. :D
- parsonii
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Being assertive, especially at work. Getting across the message that, "Darling, this really is not an option." :D
- parsonii
Good ones, guys, nice. #12 The only time people will post in Las Ideotas is when I'm not looking.
- Lo
You know that little web cam on your computer? He knows when you are naughty and nice... (and not looking at your computer :)
- parsonii
Actually I don't have one on my laptop, I was too paranoid that The Man could spy on me.
- Lo
And that's precisely why your stockings don't get filled on Xmas day. ;)
- parsonii
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#13 The most difficult decision to make is ultimately to stop hating myself and believe that I'm fine the way I am.
- Lo
I really am working on it, Dave. It's so much harder than calculus, which is a shame because that's the sort of thing I actually enjoy doing :P Think I'm finally starting to see some headway, though now that I've said it... lol
- Lo
I personally feel that voluntary population control via educating people to have an optimal number of kids and/or *thinking* it through before having kids will solve A LOT of our problems:- less people, less pollution, less carbon footprint, improved sustainability, etc. etc. So why is population control such a taboo to talk about?
Limitation on freedom is to have a one-child policy like China, not if it's only *strongly encouraged*. There no reason why we can't educate people to think twice before they pop out a kid. And what is this "obvious benefit" we are talking about?
- parsonii
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Is it taboo? I've heard it discussed for years. Unfortunately most intelligent people take the "you need a license to have kids" position (usually at least semi-jokingly), and that's an obvious affront to human freedom. The real problem with a sensible slowing of reproductive rate seems to be economic... the world's overpopulated and still growing, but countries with slowing birth rates...
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- Lo
Also, tangentially related: I really don't know much about the one-child policy in China, but I do know that what I've heard about it here in the US conflicts with what I heard and saw in China from Chinese people. Who knows where the truth lies, but I know for certain that: a) the policy does not apply to all Chinese, and b) if you have a second baby despite being under the policy,...
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- Lo
Yeah, the one-child policy is not absolute. Like Lo said, you can pay a fine, or you can state that your first child has some sort of "defects" and request permission to have another (doctors can, of course, certify whatever they want about their own children). But we don't have to go to that extreme here, I am merely suggesting that we should educate people to think twice whether they...
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- parsonii
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It is taboo, because people who talk about it, does it jokingly... not seriously. Let me add something to the "benefits"... the benefits are somewhat perceived as personal, not so much as the tax base problem (that is also real) but much more around "someone that will take care of me in my old years". Even if that never happens (in some cases) and rarely said out loud, I have seen that "benefit" included in the list of benefits, just with some other words....
- Sandra
That is probably majority of the reason to have kids, especially in Asia. But such a selfish reason to have kids!
- parsonii
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Uhmmmm... let's face it: Whatever your reasons to have kids it is always a selfish one.... You have kids because you want to have them, not because they are begging to come to this paradise, nor because we have run out of kids to adopt. (and yes, this line has put me in the middle of very heated discussions, but, truly, I still haven't found one reason that is not selfish... some...
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- Sandra
I don't know. I think people who actually like kids and enjoy them is a good reason to have kids, not as selfish as having them to take care of you when you are old.
- parsonii
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I agree with Sandra, but it's not a good/bad thing. When you have kids it's usually to serve your own interest. A couple years ago I would have given various "altruistic" reasons for not having kids, but I can be honest now that it's mostly for selfish reasons. Even my desire to not inflict my negative family patterns on another human being is somewhat selfish, I just want to avoid the...
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- Lo
I've thought about this some more, and I'm wondering if the times when my self-interest seems to conflict with the interest of others are signs that I hold delusions about the topic in question. I'm becoming ever more firmly convinced that delusions are the #1 cause of suffering (for me, at least!) but they are dastardly tricky to discover and eliminate. I figured starting this group would help me figure them out, but boy was that a silly idea.
- Lo
Lo, I'm not sure I'm following, by "conflicting interest," do you mean "conflicting opinion"? You think you are delusional whenever your opinion differs from someone else's? Am I totally off base here?
- parsonii
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So the society pretty much dictates that when a person is sick, we will do anything possible to extend his/her life for as far out as possible, never mind that it's his last 3 days in the ICU begging for early relief.... what about animals? Where should we or you personally draw the line for pets?
There are MRI and chemotherapy and kidney transplant (?) for pets, personally I think that's a bit over the top. What's your opinion?
- parsonii
I can't answer the should question (starting to really loathe that word). As for where I'd draw the line, it really depends on the conditions of the time. The line used to be a certain place, but I know it's moved. Circumstances (such as how I felt about the animal) could move it again. My mom once had laser surgery performed on a lovebird for some great expense, I thought it was pretty ridiculous at the time (and the bird died anyway)
- Lo
After two people get married, the Bible says that they become one - one flesh. How is it possible to rape what is yours?" asked Mr. Sutherland.
- Janice
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So up until now raping your wife has been legal? It isn't covered by the law against rape (which I presume they already have)?
- Eivind
I would presume the same Eivind, but I guess an exception is made if the 'transgression' is between man and wife. So, if the wife rapes the husband, would he be okay with that because they are 'one flesh'? Argh... so ... so.... I don't know what
- Janice
Oh yeah, I forgot the 'one flesh' defense from the 'good book' :(
- Eivind
Precisely how they define "one flesh"? Last I checked my husband and I did not became conjoined twins the day we got married.... or am I being too literal?
- parsonii
I think it means flesh under one authority; the man :)
- Eivind
Oh, Lord, that's messed up (but we already know that). So to the women it's like marrying into slavery?
- parsonii
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Messed up is a nice way to put it parsonii,
- Janice
If I ever do research on pareidolia, this is definitely going to be included as an example!
- Mark
Do you guys think this is a sign of acceptance or condemnation of birth control? I haven't made up my mind yet. I think I need to consult some clergy.
- Eivind
This is what the Ham had to say about those stickers, 'As one looks at the messages on these bumper stickers, we need to pray for these very lost people who so desperately need the Lord. Actually, I believe some of these messages really do reflect what the devil offered Adam and Eve in Genesis 3, "you shall become as gods…"'
- Mark
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Poor Hammy is so messed up that he thinks that people who value ethics and do good without religion "desperately need the Lord." Methinks Ken desperately needs therapy...
- Mark
Naw, he's already beyond help. His only hope is to.... pray....
- parsonii
Well, if you want to get technical about it, G-O-D didn't write it. It's allegedly his words but written down by some measly man who could hear his voice. (Today we call them schizophrenic.)
- parsonii
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There's no justification for it, but I think in a way we may be approaching a turning point. As much as it can suck and be depressing, my personal experience suggests that things usually have to get pretty bad before people are inspired to exert effort for change. I know it's not much of a bright side, but that's what I tell myself when faced with escalating awful news :)
- Lo
Yeah, I'm afraid when we get to that "pretty bad" point, we will already have passed the point of no return.
- parsonii
Well, this probably won't cheer you up but I doubt there really is a point of no return for the earth, or if there is it's a long way off. There's been lots of turmoil in the past (including many episodes of global warming), but things calmed down eventually and we're here. Point of no return for certain species may be a different matter entirely. But even if my own species is wiped...
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- Lo
We were born on a planet much hotter than this one, and survived through ice ages better than our cousins who were physically better suited to it. Whatever happens to this world, be it by our hand or it's own, humanity will survive. It's what we do. Of course, if a rogue star or wandering black hole enters the mix, all bets are off. As for the other species? Something like 90% of all...
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- Slappy Line
Slippy, I can't speak for Parsonii but mere survival of the human species is not the only thing I care about. Her depression seems to be more about wiping out other species, and I totally empathize. It's natural that species should disappear over time, but we've accelerate the process. There's also a question of whether the rate at which we're changing available niches has outpaced the "speed" of evolution, but I don't think it's really possible for us to answer that, at least not now.
- Lo
The entire universe is a violent, destructive, horrific place, not conducive to carbon-based life in any form. Even here on our own planet, life managed to evolve from nothing but chemicals and coincidence on a steaming hot ball of acid and rock, but if you took this planet of ours and flung it anywhere in the galaxy, everything here would die. Life is tenacious and fragile, it occurs...
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- Slappy Line
Sorry, I do tend to drone on with that one. It's just that I got myself out of a very dark depression by accepting the frailty of life.
- Slappy Line
Hey, if the world (earth) is going to come to an end, I'd much rather be hit by a meteorite than the collective impact of dumbasses on this planet just not giving a damn and destroying it and bringing me down with them. That's all I am saying. :)
- parsonii
the net result is the same in either case, parsonii
- Slappy Line
Sure, but the means to get there matters to me. :)
- parsonii
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My, Facebook bought Friendfeed for the low low price of $47. 5 million. Let's hope they can somehow integrate the FF technology and make FB's interface better, cause right now its interface is CRAP! AND I still don't get all the hype about FB.
- parsonii
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Could someone please tell me why the son of Michael Douglas feel the need to deal drugs? I don't mean using, but distributing?? Doesn't he get an allowance or something?
- parsonii
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House arrest in a penthouse? Someone please sentence me to that (all I need is food, internet, and lots of $ to shop on the internet :). There's probably tennis court and a swimming pool too. Shit, that's my dream life!
- parsonii
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GP and former New Zealand Medical Council chairwoman Pippa MacKay said the claims about curing cancer were "mischievous". "To imply that that kind of quackery is as good or better than medical science is dangerous. How can they claim that? How many controlled trials have they done?"
- Janice
"One sceptic, Phil Tauwhare, said he had a history of bladder disease. On two occasions he went to the healers in great pain and urinating blood. After his healing sessions he felt worse than before, he said. He went to a doctor who gave him antibiotics that cleared up the problem in three days. "I thought, `What's going on here?"' However, he became a believer when a subsequent checkup...
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- Mark
Good question Mark, I was wondering about the veracity of this...
- Janice
I don't get why the wife is being charged with being a party of false imprisonment. All she did was told the women about her husband's other mistresses. Good for her!
- parsonii
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Look at what embracing our American consumerism (better computer/TV/cell phones) every 2 - 3 years, if that, is doing to kids in Africa.
- parsonii
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