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I will put my notes here. - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

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already heard four pitches at this point... and the show has not yet started - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

It's fascinating to see so many people awake at the same time. - Jay Cuthrell

Announcements have started - Jay Cuthrell

Publishing a post in real time concerning Mint... on stage. Now. Clever. - Jay Cuthrell

We have Penn&Teller demo going now... nice off stage gimmick. - Jay Cuthrell

Don Dodge + iPhone = GENIUS - Jay Cuthrell

Heather the stripper is the alpha tester for the app. - Jay Cuthrell

Internet is working well --- audio for the talent, slightly glitchy - Jay Cuthrell

Story Something is talking pirates. Arrrr. - Jay Cuthrell

Story Something wants to tap into the "mommy bloggers" as a market. - Jay Cuthrell

clasemovil.com is on stage now talking about something educational and how countries rank in knowledged - Jay Cuthrell

interactive learning games targeting kids -- math history language science - Jay Cuthrell

looking at this, it should be paired and scaled for netbooks maybe - Jay Cuthrell

actual educator on stage right now... graphs, teacher's platform, and tracking student performance - Jay Cuthrell

Wow... just realized that this demo trumps one of the demo pit companies. - Jay Cuthrell

ToonsTunes is beloved by all the judges apparently... the sound, graphics, etc.... - Jay Cuthrell

ToonsTunes valuation = http://sadtrombone.com - Jay Cuthrell

"the recession is good for startups" - Jason - Jay Cuthrell

http://sealtale.com is on stage now - Jay Cuthrell

This would be an interesting way to have a Gravatar (email address) approach using specific registered words or phrases for the seals showing up - Jay Cuthrell

tag overloading? - Jay Cuthrell

I'll admit it. I'm lost. - Jay Cuthrell

20k users in Korea - Jay Cuthrell

Companies pay for better looking seals - Jay Cuthrell

Pay to Claim business model (like Yammer sort of) - Jay Cuthrell

The MySpace guy just showed his hand... they like the look of this - Jay Cuthrell

Roundup with Judges: ToonsTunes is hot, Story Something is also top of mind - Jay Cuthrell

Microsoft on stage now for Bing Fall Release update - Jay Cuthrell

Visual Search is announced today - Jay Cuthrell

The mouse graphic for the Bing presentation looks like a coffee bean - Jay Cuthrell

The refinement graphic for the Bing presentation looks like cookies - Jay Cuthrell

Microsoft is questioning the "blue links" result of search today - Jay Cuthrell

30 minute search sessions: Microsoft wants the stalker market - Jay Cuthrell

Bing wants to be the choice for people that search for greater than 30 minutes - Jay Cuthrell

Bing is a decision engine? - Jay Cuthrell

http://www.bing.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell

Visual Search demo live now... contrasting 1.0 vs. 2.0 release goals/results - Jay Cuthrell

The movies search demo included geolocation based on IP address (no mention of the pinning for the service) - Jay Cuthrell

17 women senators demo --- very compelling - Jay Cuthrell

One thing that comes up with things like this... what is the dedication to making this long term available - Jay Cuthrell

Only critique (mine) is that this is a great demo for a laptop, desktop -- I want to see this pulled off on a mobile interface - Jay Cuthrell

Crap metadata renders this as a Google Shopping dilemma - Jay Cuthrell

Same reason people complain about craigslist I guess? - Jay Cuthrell

Graphics as function vs. novelty is the primary discussion - Jay Cuthrell

break - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

The experts are coming back now and it's starting up again - Jay Cuthrell

iTwin on stage - Jay Cuthrell

iTwin is like Back to My Mac for the PC - Jay Cuthrell

Two hardware USB devices (twins) taken apart and plugged into two PC's can now find each other - Jay Cuthrell

Remote file access based on hardware tokens - Jay Cuthrell

It is bi-directional - Jay Cuthrell

no logins, no passwords --- all hardware token based (USB) - Jay Cuthrell

random number based... would love to know where entropy comes from in that calculation for the number sets - Jay Cuthrell

http://www.itwin.sg/ is the website -- targeting $99 - Jay Cuthrell

Question session already asking about NAT traversal - Jay Cuthrell

Device loss is handled by SMS - Jay Cuthrell

This is pretty cool. - Jay Cuthrell

One judge already made the LogMeIn jump question - Jay Cuthrell

Judges don't grasp it isn't a USB storage drive (it's just a token) - Jay Cuthrell

i.e. no flash memory costs - Jay Cuthrell

Goal: Disrupt portable storage market - Jay Cuthrell

Don is mentioning Live Mesh and Groove - Jay Cuthrell

Judges still aren't getting this concept - Jay Cuthrell

Hardware tokens that just -work- is something good. - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: Imo --- and Eye of the Tiger is playing... LOUDLY - Jay Cuthrell

Demo is not working.... WOW - Jay Cuthrell

This is just like Rocky I - Jay Cuthrell

I WANT ROCKY II - Jay Cuthrell

Okay... demo fail but BEST ENTRANCE EVER - Jay Cuthrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Jay Cuthrell

Seriously? How cool is that! - Jay Cuthrell

Demos should be done in faraday cages - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: fluidhtml - Jay Cuthrell

goal: make flash markup language - Jay Cuthrell

flash is being dynamically from markup --- demo is of Sotheby's - Jay Cuthrell

back browser button works in this btw - Jay Cuthrell

browser history for flash - Jay Cuthrell

reminds me of JSP to servlet - Jay Cuthrell

but not - Jay Cuthrell

.fhtml files - Jay Cuthrell

Judges are asking if HTML5 renders this moot - Jay Cuthrell

Adobe should just buy this company per the judges - Jay Cuthrell

Okay, the takeaway is that this is a way to constrain the Flash developer - Jay Cuthrell

Extensible via mapping = powerful - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: ToyBots - Jay Cuthrell

Someone is HAPPY - Jay Cuthrell

Toys with a refresh! - Jay Cuthrell

Woozees demo - Jay Cuthrell

Dad scares me. - Jay Cuthrell

So this is Teddy Ruxpin with an API for sale - Jay Cuthrell

This may go wrong... http://thehalobender.files.wordpress.com/2009... - Jay Cuthrell

I wonder if they used anything like the Chumby? - Jay Cuthrell

Shaking the toy is an interface... good thing Apple didn't review this. - Jay Cuthrell

Judges: sounds good but who is the buyer? - Jay Cuthrell

Open source firmware - Jay Cuthrell

Real Doll - Jay Cuthrell

Chucky - Jay Cuthrell

The judges have a lot of licensing questions - Jay Cuthrell

(yeah, the judges finally made the porn jump) - Jay Cuthrell

Club Penguin reference - Jay Cuthrell

Yossi wins. - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: spawn labs - Jay Cuthrell

The watch function is the only thing I like. - Jay Cuthrell

Gaming for voyeurs - Jay Cuthrell

Spawn HD-720 http://spawnlabs.com/ - Jay Cuthrell

"slingbox for xbox" - Jay Cuthrell

question on the network throughput and rate requirements - Jay Cuthrell

adaptive modulation from HD -> SD -> down sample -> sizing - Jay Cuthrell

85ms is the point of detection for in game latency - Jay Cuthrell

"I'll assume that you've solved the latency problems" - Don - Jay Cuthrell

The whole play where you want thing is a good idea. - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: clicker - Jay Cuthrell

Internet television play - Jay Cuthrell

I'm already getting a beeTV vibe - Jay Cuthrell

http://clicker.com/ - Jay Cuthrell

Clicker is a purely navigational aide - Jay Cuthrell

Also allows you to send a Twitter/social network as a link for others (deep link) - Jay Cuthrell

Episode meta data is open to editing i.e. IMDB for TV online - Jay Cuthrell

The ability to connect people with Sanford and Son is powerful. - Jay Cuthrell

Deal with Boxee is done deal - Jay Cuthrell

Judges like this but are wondering where this will make money - Jay Cuthrell

Spot on from judges -- this is MADE for Telcos and MSOs that have horrible EPG's today - Jay Cuthrell

Best Buy guy is on stage now... - Jay Cuthrell

He thinks that iTwin is MajicJack... this is depressing to me. FAIL - Jay Cuthrell

back from lunch - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: 5:1 - Jay Cuthrell

it's about advertising... I'm impressed that I don't want to leave the room - Jay Cuthrell

(sidebar: met with great startups in the Demo Pit - will cover later --- too many notes for here) - Jay Cuthrell

pages page views monetized.... yikes - Jay Cuthrell

glad that is over - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: DataXu - Jay Cuthrell

lots of tagging later is the analytics - Jay Cuthrell

"i'm not going to bore you with the details" --- NICE! - Jay Cuthrell

I think the details just put a hook in the judges... they are biting - Jay Cuthrell

HOOK LINE SINKER - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: SeatGeek - Jay Cuthrell

scalper tools for tickets?!?! - Jay Cuthrell

Oh... I'm sorry... not scalper... "ticket broker" - Jay Cuthrell

They just showed one helluva line fit - Jay Cuthrell

these guys are giving a great pitch... 0:42 left... - Jay Cuthrell

stock price analogies are flawed - Jay Cuthrell

poor question - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: healthywage - Jay Cuthrell

Sara should not be in front of a computer is what I am taking away from this if she is truly concerned about her health. - Jay Cuthrell

Okay, now it's social and competitive... so it's Biggest Loser online - Jay Cuthrell

$250 with a 4:1 match of $1000 that comes from the company of the employee - Jay Cuthrell

$1000 to make a better employee that saves $20,000 in medical costs, loyalty, etc... - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: rackup.com - Jay Cuthrell

yeah, I didn't really pay attention to this one - Jay Cuthrell

it's like roulette at a mall? - Jay Cuthrell

okay, this guy knows some crazy math - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: Udorse - Jay Cuthrell

Visual Linkedin Endorsements - Jay Cuthrell

Logo partners for brands seen in photos - Jay Cuthrell

(suggestion for TC50 next time --- let the crowd control volume of the speaker) - Jay Cuthrell

most energetic presentation so far - Jay Cuthrell

This has to go beyond web today and move to mobile platforms - Jay Cuthrell

Friends like that like a style can rotate the colors - Jay Cuthrell

Please take the phrase "you know" away from the speaker - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: Google is launching something - Jay Cuthrell

Marissa Mayer is speaking and is building up to the launch demo part - Jay Cuthrell

Google News/Finance guy is showing new Google Labs thingie - Jay Cuthrell

Google Labs gives you.... - Jay Cuthrell

wait for it.... - Jay Cuthrell

"code name flipper" was leaked on TC already a while ago - Jay Cuthrell

Google Fast Flip - Jay Cuthrell

http://fastflip.googlelabs.com - Jay Cuthrell

Okay... that's cool. - Jay Cuthrell

This makes me want a 52" plasma - Jay Cuthrell

Fast Flip just might save newspapers, magazines, and all the websites so SCARED of Google - Jay Cuthrell

The demo of a "page" per blog post flip action makes me think iPhone and Android interface on mobile - Jay Cuthrell

"Like" for an article I'm guessing Google News like... let's see - Jay Cuthrell

I think the crowd is in a wow moment. - Jay Cuthrell

iPhone web version works very well - Jay Cuthrell

Okay, they just mentioned that this -is- in cooperation - Jay Cuthrell

screen scape, transcode, and preload - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: (again!) iMo!!!!!!! - Jay Cuthrell

HOLY SHIZZZLE!!!!!! - Jay Cuthrell

Formula 1 demo... and now JET fighter.... - Jay Cuthrell

Fiddy blarring - Jay Cuthrell

AMAZING - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: redbeacon - Jay Cuthrell

odd jobs on crack - Jay Cuthrell

Service provider premiums and apathy are going to have to be curated like the Angie's List - Jay Cuthrell

500 free cupcakes were just delivered - Jay Cuthrell

I just ate a tasty free cupcake - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: localbacon... err... no... change in plans.... YEXT - Jay Cuthrell

I'm having a Jerky Boys flashback - Jay Cuthrell

this is a good demo scenario - Jay Cuthrell

these guys have $20M in revenue already - Jay Cuthrell

I'm noticing that the presenters show fangs when judges ask off topic questions or repeat questions - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: localbacon - Jay Cuthrell

job/seeker problems solvers - Jay Cuthrell

Looks a lot like SimplyHired - Jay Cuthrell

Ah, this is payola for jobs - Jay Cuthrell

monster, careerbuilder, and others are universally slammed... rightly so - Jay Cuthrell

I'm still lost on the pay to apply. - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: RefMob - Jay Cuthrell

(sidebar: several of the startups should just combine) - Jay Cuthrell

Referrals in business can be the stuff of brutal blows... anyone in hopes of creating a VAR channel would see a value - Jay Cuthrell

This would be huge for resellers - Jay Cuthrell

I hope these guys carry a float somehow :) - Jay Cuthrell

One of the questions is who is the next customer - Jay Cuthrell

One of the others is adoption cycle - Jay Cuthrell

I'm thinking there is something being lost in translation of what the audience is seeing vs. what is on the stage for the members on the judge panel - Jay Cuthrell

Previously, there were discussions about not hearing -- makes me think there are no monitors on stage? - Jay Cuthrell

The big screen on stage might not be terribly visible perhaps - Jay Cuthrell

(sidebar: Tony from Zappos hasn't liked anything... consistent) - Jay Cuthrell

API = magic sauce - Jay Cuthrell

This should be used in SMB and small guy trunkers markets for VoIP, Data, etc... - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: theswop.com - Jay Cuthrell

This is the company you would use before http://startupjunkyard.com/ ;-) - Jay Cuthrell

BUZZKILL - Jay Cuthrell

barter - Jay Cuthrell

another way to say this is to understand that corporations are in now way on the level of sophistication of a startup - Jay Cuthrell

I was hoping the judges would ask why they have not build the company on their own service - Jay Cuthrell

Excess capacity of service is NOT barter and the notion that this is goats and gold is specious - Jay Cuthrell

Body language on stage from judges indicates.... long day - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: mota motors - Jay Cuthrell

used cars.... this should be interesting - Jay Cuthrell

CarMax would love to see this - Jay Cuthrell

BlueBook for novices - Jay Cuthrell

Ahh... connect to Facebook Marketplace - Jay Cuthrell

"leading guidebook" sounds like a way to skirt screen scrape of Kelley Blue Book online - Jay Cuthrell

This is a funnel --- kind of like Tunecore for cars -- push once and publish to many - Jay Cuthrell

Nice touch --- free inspections - Jay Cuthrell

Timely... it's not like car dealers are doing "well" - Jay Cuthrell

beta invite code: TC50 - Jay Cuthrell

Judges come around to the Carmax question - Jay Cuthrell

private party - Jay Cuthrell

say it with me... PRIVATE party - Jay Cuthrell

now I'm wondering about the background of these guys behind mota... they know their shizzle - Jay Cuthrell

Judges are really tired. - Jay Cuthrell

Expansion plans and directions from judges being questioned - Jay Cuthrell

Tony liked Yext and Imo - Jay Cuthrell

WILINE ROCKS - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: The attendee pick #1 of 2 = ODESK - Jay Cuthrell

oDesk reminds me of Elance - Jay Cuthrell

A quick web search says that oDesk p0w3d with Elance - Jay Cuthrell

real time virtual office, video, and load averages on the quorum page with desktop client - Jay Cuthrell

Judge voices starting to fail as well... it's gotta be warm and dry up there - Jay Cuthrell

On stage: The attendee pick #2 of 2 = YourVersion - Jay Cuthrell

interesting that this was a pick - Jay Cuthrell

iPhone app as well - Jay Cuthrell

and a Firefox toolbar - Jay Cuthrell

"Last session of day rocks. http://yourversion.com is now in my /must try/ list." -- Robert Scoble - Jay Cuthrell

I got a heavy TweetGrid vibe watching this - Jay Cuthrell

Ahhhh a Dig at Digg - Jay Cuthrell

no mining --- yet - Jay Cuthrell

okay... it's over for the day... judges are doing mild rap and dialog with Jason and Mike - Jay Cuthrell

all the judges feel TC50 gets better, and better... which is nice considering what the effect of saying it sucks compared to TC50 2008 might be - Jay Cuthrell

AH - Jay Cuthrell

pmarca criticism: lack of focus on distribution - Jay Cuthrell

Note to startups: competitive edge and distribution are wants for TC50 2010 - Jay Cuthrell

Tony: he didn't see anything - Jay Cuthrell

Paul Y Combinator guy: launch concerns - Jay Cuthrell

bogus --- there is no way to cover this in a short amount of time on a stage - Jay Cuthrell

good exposure though ;-) - Jay Cuthrell

okay... day 1 is done and the after stuff begins - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

Day 2 notes here: http://friendfeed.com/qthrul... - Jay Cuthrell

Open for questions/clarification - Jay Cuthrell

SimplyTweet is probably the best iPhone Twitter app out right now, but it isn't getting much attention. - Justin Luey

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Interesting. Will have a look. - Roberto Bonini

What does it do that makes it better than Tweetie? It doesn't look at nice, visually, to me. Sell me on it - tell me why it's wonderful, and convince me to spend $5 to try it. :-) - Josh Bancroft

Josh: I forget now, but there was something that pissed me off about Tweetie that I forget now. Hey, if Tweetie is working for you, why switch? - Robert Scoble

Not really looking to switch, but I'm something of an afficionado of iPhone Twitter apps. :-) Tweetie, Birdfeed, Twitterrific, and TweetDeck are all great. I wasn't saying "why should I dump Tweetie", I was afraid there was something really cool about SimplyTweet that I'm missing out on. That's what I meant by "convince me". :-) - Josh Bancroft

I took a look at SimplyTweet. I guess I don't get what makes it better than any other Twitter app. So far, TweetDeck strikes me as having the best set of features and ease of use. SimplyTweet doesn't appear to have anything special except for "push" notifications. - Otto

I tested most of the twitter apps very long. In my opinion Twitterrific and Twittelator are the most powerful and featurerich apps. Twittelator is my favorite at the moment beacause images are shown direct in the feed as thumbnails. It´s really nice... They are both very well designed. Additionally i can recommend iTweetReply for push notifications and Birdbrain to manage your followers in an excellent way... - Flynn (Michael A. Volz)

I've been using Boxcar for push notification of @replies and DMs, and it works GREAT. The cool thing is that it doesn't matter what Twitter app you use. It "supports" several, like Tweetie, Twitterrific, etc., if you want to open the notifications in an app, but I don't use it that way. It's nice not to be tied to one client, because as I mentioned, I have 5 or 6 of them installed at any given time. :-) - Josh Bancroft

Thanks for this Steve - Ian Wright

As far as I can tell, there's still no way to send links to instapaper, etc from the iPhone greader ui :/ - Brett Kelly from iPhone

Brett, not any more - that was changed. http://blog.instapaper.com/post... - Steve Rubel from email

*wipes tears from eyes* about 55,600,000 results *dead* I'm going to be laughing about this for a week! - Sels

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See, it's a handy search! http://ff.im/6cZe3 - Christopher Harley

more accurate if you use quotes: "do anybody no." Only 2,870 results there. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

:D did you see who the top rankers were! HAHAHA! Do anyone *really* no Louis Gray? - WorldofHiglet

LOL! - jcunwired

Along the same lines, you can search "somebody axed me" for 1030 results. - jcunwired

This post pretty much summarizes my thoughts on most politics, though of course this is all the fault of the other side ;). "Group identification is pretty much the service provided by football players, and since that service can be provided to many people simultaneously, salaries are naturally competitive. Fans pay for tickets voluntarily, and everyone knows the score. It would be a very different matter if your beloved professional football players held over you the power of taxation and war, prison and death. Then it might not be a good idea to lose yourself in the delicious rush of group identification." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

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This is the kind of B.S. that the Republicans want you to believe, that there's no difference between the parties, and that Gore would have been no different than Bush. Fortunately, with the kind of issues that are at stake, Americans are beginning to wise up. The parties really *are* different, and what you vote for matters! - Piaw Na

Well done Piaw :) - Paul Buchheit

Interesting article. A lot of food for thought. - Doug

To be clear, the point is not that both sides are the same, but that by getting caught up in the drama of us vs them, we are easily manipulated. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest and most effective strategies. - Paul Buchheit

If you polled Americans in 1974, the consensus would have been that there was no difference between parties. That consensus has since broken down. It's all documented in Paul Krugman's book: http://piaw.blogspot.com/2007.... That book did predict that the Republicans will have an increasingly hard time winning elections, and the basic reason is... more... - Piaw Na

If anyone here says the answer to fixing the divide-and-conquer problem is remembering that "we're all Americans", I'm going to smack them. =) - Andrew C

"As for the Blue Spectators catching on, that's not very likely. See, one of the cheers of the Green side is "Even if the Blues win, they won't install new seat cushions!" So if a Blue Spectator says, "Hey, Blue Players, we cheered real hard and you won the last game! What's up with the cold steel seats?" all the other Blue Spectators will stare aghast and say, "Why are you calling a... more... - Paul Buchheit

I don't think that perspective accurately captures what it's like when the Democrats are in power. For instance, when Clinton was in the white house, there was no shortage of criticism from the left. Read some of Paul Krugman's old books from the 90s. Now that Obama's in charge, Krugman's also giving him a hard time (as am I). By contrast, there's never been a word from Mankiw, et. al, criticizing the Bush administration. As Will Rogers said, "I belong to no organized political party. I am a Democrat!" - Piaw Na

Piaw, I think you may be misunderstanding the thesis of the article and are focusing on a separate political phenomenon. In any case, as to your point re: conservative/liberal criticism of sitting presidents, I would (pardon the snark) send you over to Google. ;) http://tinyurl.com/nm9gqz - Doug

The article goes a little too far, though. "Why are professional football players better paid than truck drivers? Because the truck driver divides the world into Favorite-Team and Rival-Team." Uh, no, it's because professional football players are entertainers. The Hollywood entertainment machine doesn't have this form of ritualized group identification and yet top actors can make as much or more than pro sports players. Divide and conquer doesn't explain everything. - Andrew C

As well, I honestly think there are valid fundamental philosophies that tie together the disparate ideas of each 'big tent'. It's not like Democrats arrived at their policies by picking them randomly from a hat. - Andrew C

(Now that said, big companies have indeed been able to achieve impressive marketing victories by pursuing multiple-brand strategies... consider Starbucks & its subsidiary brands like Seattle's Best Coffee...) - Andrew C

No, I'm not misunderstanding the article. It tries very hard to get you to believe that the parties are just like football teams, and there's no difference as to which one you back. I don't believe that's true, and fortunately, neither do most Americans who vote. This "parties are the same" attitude worked in Bush's favor in 2000, and it will continue to work in the Republicans' favor. I'm not buying it, and neither should you. - Piaw Na

Piaw, do you believe that the author would agree with your statement that there's no difference between the parties? - Paul Buchheit

Paul, Piaw's not saying that there's no difference between the parties, but I certainly thought Yudkowsky was. - Andrew C

(Some of) the commenters over there also make cogent points about the flaws in Yudkowsky's argument. - Andrew C

Not only that, but he's trying to say that party identification screws with people's ideas about what's right and wrong and what good policy is. As far as I can tell, the liberal establishment (such as there is --- we don't have think tanks like the Republicans do) is just as happy to argue and criticize the Obama administration over important policy issues such as health care and/or... more... - Piaw Na

Piaw - in my experience it's more the libertarians than the Republicans who really push the "the two major parties are essentially the same" line. - Andrew C

Yeah, but most of the libertarian think tanks (such as the Cato institute --- you know, the guys who published that paper from Peter Thiel about how the Republic was a libertarian paradise until we gave women the vote) swing extremely conservative, so I'm very happy to lump them all together with the Republicans. - Piaw Na

So are you an Eagle or a Rattler? "The experiment, conducted in the aftermath of WWII, was meant to investigate conflicts between groups. How would the scientists spark an intergroup conflict to investigate? Well, the first step was to divide the 22 boys into two groups of 11 campers - - and that was quite sufficient. There was hostility almost from the moment each group became aware of... more... - Paul Buchheit

While I think in-group/out-group distinctions can produce exaggerated effects, I don't think they're at the root of the two party divide. - Andrew C

Yeah, the two party divide is between the "I've got mine, F*** you!" and the "There but for the grace of god, go I." Or as they say, a Democrat is a Republican who just got denied health coverage, and a Republican is a Democrat who just got mugged. - Piaw Na

So how many parties should we have? - Gabe

I kind of doubt that more parties helps. The real issue the the psychology the prevents us from seeing the truth. - Paul Buchheit

So maybe we should have zero parties? - Gabe

So Paul, do you think the in-group/out-group dynamics define the entirety of the divide between Republicans and Democrats? (or the right and the left?) - Andrew C

"Google Reader, the RSS feed engine that has become a major hub in my daily information gathering, pulling in feeds from the hundreds of blogs and Web sites I follow, is taking a step forward in terms of making the service more social, by integrating private conversations between friends. With today's release, every post and every share has an option to add a comment, which will be displayed to your friends who you are connected to." - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet

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We're spiraling out of control with all the places comments are sprinkled around the web. Is there any cohesive end in sight? Can mashups really keep it all together or are end users bound to remain confused by the sheer mass of options? Also, any plans for FriendFeed to release a Wordpress comments widget? :) - Ryan Stanley from IM

O HAI - Shey, Jamaican of FF

So...when will these comments be integrated with FF? - Shey, Jamaican of FF

@Ryan You mean Backtype? - Shey, Jamaican of FF

The comments on Google Reader are intended to stay between friends of the service, and not to be exported to FriendFeed or the original blog. Notes, on the other hand, can still flow to FriendFeed. Also, you won't see the comments on my shared items feed if you go to the direct URL. - Louis Gray

And Ryan, Backtype is an excellent solution. - Louis Gray

Probably a good service for people who use Google Reader as their main interface to the world. - Ontario Emperor

Backtype is a great solution, albeit yet another layer. So share on Google Reader, which gets picked up on FF, siphoned over to Twitter, and sync'd with Facebook. Conversations can begin with different people in all those places. Bedlam! Does anyone make effort to siphon discussions to one place or another? - Ryan Stanley

It looks like the Reader team was inspired by FF in terms of the layout & functionality (middle comments merge into link eventually). - Paul Arterburn

Just started using it - a very cool new feature! - Sonya Smith

Then Is not Twitter the "first enemy" of new FriendFeed, but Google Reader .. http://beta.friendfeed.com/cantorj... - Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF

I wish people would stop with this plastic surgery. Folks are messing up their bodies. - Damond Nollan

Well, at least she was hot *once*... I guess that's something. LOL. - Herb Hernandez

yuk - johnpiercy

Herb, that's a positive spin :-) - Duncan Riley

She's looking like a hot mess. - Derrick

30???? - Anika

harsh... - JA Castillo

why on earth would somebody wear that top with ... well. you get the idea (very sad - looks near 50!) - Susan Beebe

Don't mind me ya'll, I'll just be off in the corner updating my list of celebrities I'm allowed to sleep with. - Joe Pierce

LOL @Joe. - Anika

gravity sucks - johnpiercy

never mind the teets ... look at the fake upper lip ... sheesh louise - johnpiercy

shes got more plastic in her ,, than a bag of legos - johnpiercy

Wait...maybe it isn't plastic surgery. Is it possible that Jay Mohr is some kind of life sucking demon? I mean look at that smug look on his face. He knows something... - Joe Pierce

Eww. - Zach Flauaus

It reminds me that I don't wonder at the poor girls who can barely walk out their door because something is amiss; a hair out of place, something physically not perfect according to the latest Madison avenue magazine definitions. Did they create that culture or did we? Are they just responding to our demands for the impossible? We say no, but why do articles like this gain our attention if that is so? Do we need to really say no? Would this industry finally disappear if we made that plain? - Melanie Reed

And Jay Mohr is looking like the dad from The Incredibles. - Anika

Or are we just basically saying to women like Niki: "We want you to let us look at you when you are young and then when we have gotten you used to all that attention for just looking the way you do, we want you to have the "decency" to get off the stage when you can't look that way anymore." Why do you suppose this is so or not so? And if not, what should women like Niki Cox do? - Melanie Reed

No, Melanie..that's not it at all. - Anika

Anika, she just looks like a person to me. I expect people to change. Whether that is drastic or not it gets to the point for me anymore that I don't want to notice that as the first thing. I want to know you. I want to know who you are....not what you look like. :) - Melanie Reed

If she was aging gracefully, this would be one thing. I have no idea who this person is beyond what I read on via the link. But she's only 30. What we are seeing is the ravages of too much plastic surgery. It's not a natural change. - Anika

Anika, That's my point. Look at our comments and now pretend to be Nikki. How would you take them as Nikki? I'm sorry to say it, but our culture just has not allowed women to "age gracefully" and still treat them the same. We don't see beauty in them as they age. It doesn't matter what they do or don't do. The comments about how they look follow. They're everywhere you go. I think society bears at least some responsibility. - Melanie Reed

Comments about plastic surgery aside, the photographer who took this shot took other photos where the couple still looks fabulous (http://tinyurl.com/dnkhl8). Everyone can take a bad photo...and unfortunately, it seems that once women AND men are of a certain age, the bad ones sell better than the good. - Jess

? That's her mom. right? - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Oh, well see I think that's a load of crap. Women can and do age gracefully all the time and men (and women) still drool over them. And when these people (men or women) get all this frivolous plastic surgery done, it's clearly not for us because most people are immediately turned off by it. - Anika

I should add, that I'm thinking of Faye Dunaway. She lived down the street from me & whenever people saw her, they'd comment on how lovely she looked. Then she had all that work done a few years ago. It was hideous & she didn't need it, but it's done. She didn't do that for us. She did that for herself. - Anika

damn I had a huge celeb crush on her in high school - Adam Ostrow

"Already pegged as the summer comedy you’ll most likely be driven to by a sober girl, we now have our first glimpse at The Hangover and it is funny to the power of holy shit." - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

This is possibly the best video for a new web product I have ever seen. - Phil G from Bookmarklet

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Very well done. - Michael Fidler

Someone's been watching Lessig presentations. :) - mikepk

Ubiquity is arguably the most brilliant new piece of software to appear during the last year, and it is on track to expand its feature set impressively. - Sean McBride

Any rabid Ubiquity users in the house? Ok, Sean is. (Just saw your comment) - Phil G

Am I the only one who sees a playing card-like icon here? It's got the number 26 on top, 78 on the bottom. Can't imagine using that instead of 'RT'. - Hutch Carpenter

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Hutch, are you running Firefox on XP? I'm getting the same problem. I think XP doesn't have good enough Unicode support or something. (http://www.stoweboyd.com/message...) - Daniel J. Pritchett

I thought I heard that because Twitter measures in bytes and not characters it doesn't save a space. I think it's silly, personally. - Jennifer Leggio

I commented on the post - I think this is a dumb idea, personally. It brings no benefits and may actually be a step backward. - Mack D. Male

okay apparently that WON'T catch on. If people are having this much difficulty getting the symbol in the first place then it's dead in the water... unless each mobile/web Twitter app provides it as a button - Glenn Batuyong from twhirl

Yeah, can't see it and I'm sure many of us don't have a choice in the browser we use sometimes. - Eric @ CS Techcast

Unicode support sucks in XP. It works fine in Vista (from what I gather) and Windows 7. Doesn't work on iPhone or SMS so that's two more setbacks. It ain't gonna happen, although I love the idea. The symbol really catches the eye and distinguishes the tweet as a retweet. - Bwana ☠

Thanks Louis, I got in with one of the free codes :-) - David Knight

Thank you, thank you. I have another host, but that "free for life" if you get in the beta was too enticing. - Paul Arterburn

I think the Dreamhost blog is very amusing. They do a great job. - Louis Gray

Despite all the terrible things they've done over the years, I'm still with them. I had a good 3 to 4 years of outstanding service, and then another 1 or 2 of terrible. Maybe it's their sense of humor that keeps me there...or laziness. - Bwana ☠

I do like DH. I'm very happy with the service they provide. The blog and email updates are always a fun read. - Jeremy Brooks

perhaps that's why Bono invested £100m in Palm smartphones ... ? - Jim Sparrow

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More details? Do Tell :-) - Stephen Smyth

buy palm stock now! - Elijah Nicolas

check out gdgt live blog: http://live.gdgt.com/2009... - Davide D'Incau

Tech Specs? It looks neat (due to te live stream), but Windows was a no-go! I hope it's Linux-based. - masa media - Martin

@Scobleizer Do you like whatever Palm you saw at #ces09 more than the n95? Either way, there's one major drawback: PalmOS. Nova or not, I haven't seen anything ever from Palm to make me want to even try to get excited. - Matt Albiniak

Betamax=Palm. Will they have the library of Apps to make it sell? - Andrew Leyden

For a long time, Palm's weakest spot has been their support. It sucks. Until they improve their customer relations philosophy and stop outsourcing support, I doubt anything is going to change for Palm. - andrei_c

I agree. Poor support was why i left after buying at least half a dozen Palm products. But I wish them well, and this phone looks sweet. - Chris Baskind

wow i need to look into this. that's saying a lot. - rab from twhirl

How well will it work with my Mac? That's why I own an iPhone :-) Lock-in - Jesse Stay

Robert: Oh yeah? Does Palm have an App Store? - Rutger Blom

Palm App store: http://appstore.pocketgear.com/palm... - Ken Sheppardson

I don´t get it. Sure it´s not just because it´s new and shiny ? - Thomas Bøhm

Palm is dead, man. Dig him, dig him. - Robert W. Anderson from twhirl

@ Robert A.: he's not dead yet. He's getting better. He thjinks he'll go for a walk. - John Craft

if it doesn't have multitouch - its completely useless. People underestimate just what a killer feature this is. Also does it have an app store? Remember the Apple app store adds "killer" social networking features - Anthony Feint

Anthony: It has multitouch, as shown in the Engadget hands-on video. http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

I love these Day 1 predictions. They are almost always wrong :) - Bwana ☠

So .. when does pricing come out for this baby? - Tyler (Chacha)

The thing that's killing me here is Engadget says "The keyboard is Centro-esque, with shallow presses and cramped spacing." which is consistent with the photos. I'm a 755p owner and lifelong Palm users, but the Centro-sized keyboard is just utterly useless to me. Sigh. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert is a serial new concept/product fawner. Give him a few days to catch his breathe, read what others say, then I am sure he will have an altered opinion. - Brian Sullivan

you got to be kidding me - mal

Can't wait to see one of these in the real world. The flexibility and openness of the Palm OS puts Apple to shame. Was considering the iTouch to replace my trusty TX, but I'll wait to see if this flies. - Chuck

Completely agree. Can't wait to see it in the wild. Competition ftw - Dean Clark

We have to give Robert a couple of weeks before his true opinion comes out. He gets excited a little too quickly - but that's him. Everything new is the best there ever was ;). - Kamath (नमः)

FatOracle: sorry, this one is the real deal. I played with it more this afternoon. I do love new stuff, but this one is worth looking at. - Robert Scoble

not sure about "lot nicer than" iPhone, but at first glance, it looks a lot nicer than the G1 or Storm. wasn't expecting much from Palm, but they have pulled a rabbit from the hat here. - Karim

Karim: if you saw the iPhone next to the Palm Pre, I think you'd agree that the Palm beats it overall except in applications. - Robert Scoble

Robert - I've been reading first hand accounts all over the web, and the general consensus seems the same: everyone was blown away. It's too bad it doesn't translate via images and video for those who haven't physically seen it. I can't wait to see it with my own two eyes. Thank you so much for checking back in to update us! - Mona Nomura

Robert: Thanks for the stream(s). Most appreciated. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Mona: I'm uploading more video. Nokia and Microsoft are the losers here. - Robert Scoble

Can the Palm fart yet? - Matthew DeVries

Robert, do you know if Tmobile is going to support the Pre? - Matthew DeVries

I keep hearing the new palm is better, I deal in facts, how, why is it better? - James Ostheimer

@matthew devries I think initially Palm Pre will only be on Sprint. - Rajiv Doshi

OH! You probably missed it, but the FastCompany chat was hilarious! If it's logged and you have time, skim through it. I think it'll make you laugh haha But quickly: Palm. thugs. taking one for the team. LOL - Mona Nomura

+1 Matthew - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Rajiv, thanks - Matthew DeVries

The Pre might be different, but Palm has historically rolled out devices on multiple carriers within 6mo or so after the initial rollout. For example, most recently the Centro was launched on Sprint in Oct 2007, then rolled out on AT&T in Feb 08 and Verizon in June 2008. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, let's hope that's the extent of which history will repeat itself. I still have a bad taste in my mouth because of Palm - Bwana ☠

Wow the new handset is really impressive. Not sure about their OS roadmap, will developers follow? *always had a Palm before switching to iPhone* - Paul Papadimitriou from Nambu

Does it sync with outlook out of the box? - Matthew DeVries

"The Palm Pre will gather all of your information from your Exchange account, your Gmail account and your Facebook account and display them in a single, unduplicated format." http://is.gd/eWXA - Ken Sheppardson

Bwana--what was your bad Palm experience? - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Unstable UX on Tungsten W and Treo 600 platforms. - Bwana ☠

Watched robert's movie, still don't get it, looks like the iphone with a keyboard, I have gotten pretty darn good with the iphone keyboard, not sure that tiny thing will help. The scroll not on the screen is kinda cool, but really not such a big deal to me. What else is so great? - James Ostheimer

Bwana: I've lived with a Pilot 1000, Pilot Pro, III, V, VII, m500, 650, and 755p, so I feel your pain RE instability (i.e. random lockups and resets). Good news is this really doesn't sound like just an incremental PalmOS upgrade, so it might be a fresh start/set of expectations. - Ken Sheppardson

James - it's not the formfactor, it's the software and usability. Did you see how the OS multi tasks? - Mona Nomura

While this may not be the fabled "iPhone Killer"---Judging from the info. @ Palm.com this looks like it will keep Palm in the game. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

I just hope they didn't lay off too many of the minds who came up with the OS. Recall they had another round of layoffs in November (but who didn't). Granted, they did say it was primarily sales & marketing in the announcement, I'm still extremely skeptical. http://www.palminfocenter.com/news... - Bwana ☠

Bwana - they just got funding. BRB w/ the link. Back http://news.cnet.com/8301-10... - Mona Nomura

Looking forward to seeing if the browser on the Pre is more stable than the iPhone's. - Loren Heiny

Loren - since the whole OS is based on the browser I hope so! - invariant - farewell FF

Boggles the mind, the iPhone got *reamed* for only supporting Web apps. Palm does it and they're embraced. Am I missing something? - Bwana ☠

Bwana: Everyone hates a winner? :p - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Progression, Bwana. Progression. :) - Mona Nomura

Bwana: revolutionary products change our expectations. - Robert Scoble

+1 Bwana - I was wondering the same thing earlier today. - ronin

I'm not convinced :) I'll have to wait until I can use one myself. - Bwana ☠

Bwana, the difference is that the Palm does not require you to be net connected to use the app. They just use "web technologies" for their API. I still think it's the biggest flaw in the system. They'll never get the games ecosystem that iPhone has without native apps, that's for sure. - invariant - farewell FF

So the multi-tasking is multiple browser windows/tabs? Are you kidding? - Bwana ☠

@invariant it depends on what the API actually gives you the ability to do, let's wait and see, I'll agree with you that it's unlikely given what they have announced that you'll be able to build super rich apps, but who knows what the API allows - Justin Yost

i go by new york's subway. noone has a palm any longer for months ; - ewing2001akaNicomedy2010

Bwana: Yes, and no. Justin: Some incredible things have been done in Javascript so I won't count it out completely, but you're seeing great games on iPhone because companies and individuals can leverage the wealth of game code and experienced engineers using C/C++. - invariant - farewell FF

Palm Pre, better or not... It's more a question of giving iPhone some substantial competition in the social/mobile space. - Brad Kligerman

innovation promotes innovation. this is all great for consumers. - Davide D'Incau

Will you stand in line 24 hours to get it? - Oudi Antebi

The iPhone was presented with an emphasis on not allowing general multitasking (like WinMo) because of battery life issue. Apple design decision (it *is* a unix derived os after all), not Palm innovation. Besides, what I see from comments here it may not be native app multitasking? Then it looks like the "multitasking allowing part of the API" is just like the first iPhone SDK which was also just based on web technologies. - Thomas Bøhm

Thomas, the key difference you're missing is that applications on the first generation iPhone could only run inside the browser, and were entirely server-based. Basically, the first iPhone "API" was nothing of the sort - it was simply a set of guidelines for developing optimal web apps. - Ian Betteridge

I love all these iPhone fans who simply cannot believe anyone might make a phone which is better than theirs. Particularly those who don't understand that using Javascript and HTML as the core of your developer environment does not mean you're "just building web apps which run in a browser." - Ian Betteridge

Perhaps we should wait until these are available for sale, maybe use one for a while, then form an opinion? - Sam from twhirl

Oh Sam, that would be far too rational ;) - Ian Betteridge

I don't see any GPS and A-GPS in it ? - Olivier Castets

Just checked the palm site about Pre. There is GPS in it. - Olivier Castets

Ian: Oh well, aside from your belittling comment to me, I think the only later publicized iphone feature (not publ b/c of user/media push for native sdk?) which allow web apps to start up in only the webkit engine (own process without safari gui) and the later possibility to add web apps to home screen just like other apps, is a very similar idea. Whether it was an SDK or a mobile webkit feature is debateable of course, but later native sdk added local containers too. - Thomas Bøhm

If this is Roberts reactions, apple execs must be having kittens. - Roberto Bonini

@Ian you are not Of The Body. Landru Jobs will deal with you ;) - John Craft

A blog post is coming for me that is to the effect of: "Palm, why did you go and announce the Pre right after I bought the iPhone? Why, Santa Claus, Why?" I am a longstanding Palm fan. - Martha

yea i want it too. but IMO iPhone still got the look - snydez

Technologywise palm doesn't have much new, but implementation is everything, so it will be interesting to see full-on-reviews. They *may* have something interesting for me at least, since I wish Apple had followed the "webOS" idea through too. Maybe with a Ruby, or at least Javascript, compatible API on board as well. (Which is available from third-party container generators, only not from Apple themselves). The "gemstone" keyboard on the other hand, I don't know. - Thomas Bøhm

It seems wonderful, shiny and new. But signs are that it'll be more expensive than iPhone, perhaps significantly so, and tied to a horrible network I will never, ever, ever, ever use. - Fred Ochsenhirt

I badly want a N97 :D - PaperDoll

I wouldn't say it's nicer, but the UI definitely has some innovation, and attention to detail... the rounded corners and gesturing are nicely done - probably the first communications device since the iPhone 3G to garner any unique praise - Nathan Chase

What'd they put in the Palm koolaid to make Scoble say that?! iPhone not as cool now? heresy! - Susan Beebe

It sounds great, the Pre has got some awesome press already. Palm OS has been falling way behind when it comes to their products, but this looks like it may catapult them back into the running against RIM and Apple. - Aram Zucker-Scharff

Hmm, I can't decide, although the N97 looks great tech-wise. I'll look forward to seeing both hit the shores of the UK soon, though. - Tyson Key

palm stock up 39% - mal

Like I said last night, I think Palm jumped into this game way too late. And I say this despite being a Palm loyalist since 1999. I still have a Treo, but my next phone will likely NOT be Palm. - Tamar Weinberg

Sprint? Worst service EVER! - Zach Holmquist

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It was going so well, until they announced Sprint exclusive. =/ - RAD Moose

it had to be somebody, and Verizon/ATT were taken. Unless you wanted tmobile's spotty 3g - Joshua Shapiro

sound quality has been issue in past with palm - imran

What is up with these exclusive carrier business. Don't companies realize that sales would be much higher if they allowed the product onto any carrier that can support the hardware? - Wizetux

ANy prices? - Keith

Wizetux, then they wouldn't be subsidized or have support from wireless carriers - James

James, I highly doubt that. LG has phones that are getting subsidized and they are supported on several carriers. Carriers are going to want to offer the phones that customers want because they don't make money on the phones, but the plans themselves. The phones just bring in the customers. - Wizetux

What's the difference between the "Nova" and "Pre"? - Tyson Key

Wizetux, true, hadn't thought of that. There must be some barrier from shopping it to multiple carriers, I bet carriers are willing to pay more for exclusivity - James

James, what it probably is is the fact that Palm went to the carriers and asked them who would want to front the funding for the research and design for the exclusive rights to the phone. Otherwise, Palm may not of had the capital to build the device. - Wizetux

Wizetux - Because somehow Sprint had a pile of cash lying around? - Brian Roy

@ Tyson - Nova is the new Palm operating system, Pre is the new Palm phone. - exactabob

Brain: Well, perhaps. Have you looked at the prices of their plans? They are worse than the cable TV companies. At least they can't lock you in for two years. - Wizetux

Have you looked at their earnings reports? - Brian Roy

Brian: and right there you may have answered the ultimate question as to why they might have fronted the money for the phone. To up their sales... - Wizetux

If as Scoble say "[The Palm phone] is better than the iPhone" it would surely increase the number of people who would want to use it and thus use Sprint service. - Wizetux

@exactabob Thanks for clearing that up. - Tyson Key

Yup, free advertising, help with R&D costs. Plus Palm and Sprint have always been partners - James

Wow. She's one person every media property would love to hire. - Robert Scoble

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Job well done, Gina! - Chris Baskind

Seems like a lot of the big-time productivity bloggers circa 2005-2006 are moving on or have already done so. - David Wilson

Good luck to you, Gina! I will definitely miss you over on LH, but I'm sure you have much greater things in your future. :) - Shawn Farner

Good for her. You earn much more by going out on your own, as opposed to working for Gawker or AOL. Can't wait to see what she is up to next. - Andru Edwards

It sounds like she is staying with Gawker though, right? - Steve Rubel

Steve, it does kinda look like that. You gotta wonder though what she'll be doing in 3 months. something really fun, I hope. - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Is Gina on FF yet? - Susan Beebe

http://friendfeed.com/ginatra... - Marshall Kirkpatrick

So she has an account on ff, but she is not here yet :( - Peter Hoffmann

Loved her posts! :( - Rameez Nooruddin

Still visible: http://twitter.com/foxnews... - Tamar Weinberg from Bookmarklet

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Oh... I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Standby for a special on cyber terrorism. ;-) - Chris Baskind

LOL - AJ Batac

Especially ironic because O'Riley being gay is not really breaking news... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Maybe this isn't a hack! - Clay Newton

Shouldn't they spell his name right if they want to appear realistic? LOL. - Trish R

EPIC WIN! - Michael Forian

Almost makes me like these Twitter phishers (if it was them) - Matt Harwood

priceless! w00t! - ◄ani625Ξ

what if it's a disgruntled employee with access to the account? that would be even cooler - Nathan Chase

ZOMG - take it to the Really Gay Room. On second thought, we don't really want Bill O Riley - keep him here on the home thread. - Sparky, a big deal

41 minutes and counting. It's on TC now. You think somebody's home at Fox News? - Jared Smith

I think it's a fake account. I saw one the other day for 20th Century Fox talking about how no one wants to see the Watchmen movie and how "great" some of their crappy movies have been. There's also a fake Michael Bay one floating around. - James Ferguson

Hurry! Someone tell Olbermann! - Brad Williamson

Britney's account has been hacked as well: http://twitter.com/britney... - Fats Leroy

And Rick Sanchez. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jared Smith

HAHAHAHAHA @Britney's tweet - Terence

oh the liberal media!!! - Tate DA FF MVP

Heard that @BarackObama got hacked too - Imran Hussain

i don't know about him being gay, but he sure does love him some falaffel - Cee Bee

hahahahhahahaha - Mona Nomura

I wonder what the password was? - Jason Shultz from twhirl

password - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Oh gees that is bad~ - Susan Beebe

man. I'm loving this. - Anant Shiva

oh there's nothing funnier than the thought of papa bear o'reilly gettin it up the rear from some big hairy queeny guy...i love it :-) - Cardeen Martinez

LOL @ Cardeen. - Trish R

Oops, sorry Sparky, I reshared to the Really Gay room before I read your comment ... - Laura Norvig

ای بابا. اکانت توییتر فاکس نیوز هم که هک شد که =))))))) - 1Fathi

OMG. - Pedram

so was obama: event:http%3A%2F%2Fredtape.msnbc.com%2F2009%2F01%2Fhackers-embaras.html - Jason Shultz from twhirl

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