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Lazy tech reporter template: "Ex-Googlers do (insert something here)"
Patrick Chanezon, Laura Norvig, Adam Lasnik and 4 other people liked this
"Ex-Googler Dion Almaer releases revolutionary new Canvas based editor, Bespin." :)
- Ray Cromwell
"Ex-Googler DeWitt Clinton finds out he is now an ex-Googler reading this headline."
- DeWitt Clinton
Huh, did you leave Google DeWitt?
- Ray Cromwell
Not at all. Was just imagining a funny way to find out if I had been relieved of my responsibilities. : )
- DeWitt Clinton
The amount of times I have seen a headline like that this week... There is even a FriendFeed room for it: http://friendfeed.com/xoogle-...
- Sherif Mansour
Does anyone keep tack of where all the ex-google chefs end up? :)
- Jordan Brock
How about this template: "TwitXXX.com launches {Client|URL Shortner|Pic Share|Doc Share|Search} service"
- Ray Cromwell
i actually want to "like" the comment from Ray. Can i do that? ;-)
- Tobias Peggs
Ex-Googler replies to a FriendFeed thread...
- Dustin
RT @jkraus TFE build your metrics dashboard *before* u launch. If you dont it a) takes months to do & b) has u flying blind @ a crucial time
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Messing with the CSS for the FriendFeed widget on benjamingolub.com, no more header or border - http://benjamingolub.com
Keith Bourgoin, Bindu Reddy, (jeff)isageek and 23 other people liked this
looks good sorta fades into the rest of the page
- Susan Beebe
Integrates much more nicely with the site, although it highlights the disqus block which sticks out quite a bit now.
- felix
Felix: fixed was working on the disqus block; which now fades in nicely too (no logo, no header, no background, no border). What do you think?
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah i need to get to that. So much work left to do on my blog
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I should have figured, looks great now! total worthless opinion time - but if you switch disqus to the small avatars it'll blend even more.
- felix
Nice; made them half the size.
- Benjamin Golub
Looks great Benjamin!
- Phil G
Ah, that looks just right! Now I feel like tweaking my blog a little! Must resist, too much work....
- felix
http://benjamingolub.com/wordpre... <-- scroll down to the bottom to see the changes I made to make the FriendFeed and Disqus look nice. Feel free to swipe it.
- Benjamin Golub
Looks good! I think I'll swipe your .friendfeed CSS (all of two selectors) and tweak my own widget. Thanks! :-) EDIT: I'm also removing the background, since my blog's BG isn't plain white.
- Voyagerfan5761
OK, how's mine look? http://voyagerfan5761.blogspot.com/ It's down under the About Me box, so you'll have to scroll a bit. My only complaint is the fact that service names get cut off when they're long, but that's no biggie because of the icons.
- Voyagerfan5761
Very nice. Turn off overflow: hidden and white-space: nowrap if you don't want things getting cut off. Reference the CSS they inject: http://friendfeed.com/static...
- Benjamin Golub
Woo! Thanks, Benjamin! Now I have Google\n Reader instead of Google Read| Yay! And all it took was to add: .friendfeed .feed .entry .comments .comment, .friendfeed .feed .entry .body .summary { white-space: normal !important; }
- Voyagerfan5761
kept my header, but got rid of the borders: http://www.sheysmith.com/lifestr...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I did this recently too... I'm still tweaking it at the top of http://bwana.org and on http://bwana.org/lifestream (at the bottom)
- Bwana ☠
I hate how the widget doesn't line wrap comments. FriendFeed needs to fix that. They should truncate it nicely and add "..." at the end.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana; CSS can handle that for you. overflow: hidden is what is making it hidden.
- Benjamin Golub
Hmm, ok. The other options don't sound appealing. I don't want scroll, nor do I want it rendered outside the element
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, white-space: nowrap is set; if you turn that off then it will stay inside the div. I think that's what Voyagerfan did.
- Benjamin Golub
I did indeed override white-space: nowrap. Use white-space: normal !important; to do so.
- Voyagerfan5761
Am trying to find a way to do this. Tips would be good.
- arasmus
arasmus: what do you need done?
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, did you see what I did with the Lijit block on staynalive.com (upper-right)? I should do the same with the other widgets on there.
- Jesse Stay
See also http://thomas.wittek.me/ for a quite messed-up version of the widget. In fact its HTML is loaded on the server and served as the page's content.
- Thomas
not trying to threadjack but the "happy birthday" photo that showed up in your side bar is great..
- Bill Rawlinson
Benjamin - just saw your response. Thanks. My embed is on my Lifestream on www.arasmus.com. I want to get rid of the blue border, blue hyperlinks and have the text style match the rest of the site. All recommendations to date are to go and adjust the CSS with attendant warnings that doing so may affect photos, video, and pics associated with each item. Seems rather complicated. Whatyathink?
- arasmus
arasmus: that is all possible through CSS. Here is some to get you started: .friendfeed.widget { border: 0 !important; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Trebuchet, Verdana, sans-serif !important; font-size: 13px !important; } .friendfeed.widget a { color: red !important; }
- Benjamin Golub
Jabbify Comet Service Released - http://ajaxian.com/archive...
Patrick Chanezon liked this
Cool, thx Dion!
- Patrick Chanezon
Bret Taylor's talk in SF about FriendFeed's backend is really interesting so far.
Ariel Barmat, minitoka, ropiku and 41 other people liked this
Each web server frontend is single-threaded. Single connection to the DB.
- Eric Florenzano
Is there a link for that? Or a recording?
- Nick Lothian
No link that I know of. Just had iPhone so couldn't take great notes but when I get back home I can post some of the highlights in these comments.
- Eric Florenzano
Everything is a "stream". Filters, lists, etc are all "streams".
- Eric Florenzano
Currently have 24 shards, each shard has multiple replicas. Right now there are two shards per physical machine.
- Eric Florenzano
Data changes are dealt with in code on the client side. There's a callback function that basically fixes data so that client code can expect a uniform data representation. Prime examples are StumbleUpon's crappy unicode.
- Eric Florenzano
Another example is the recent beta. Now people can post to multiple streams at once, before that was a single property and now it's a list.
- Eric Florenzano
Sharding is done right now in a naive way. If sharding strategy needs to be addressed, there'll probably be a major architectural change anyway.
- Eric Florenzano
Entries brought in from 3rd party services do the write to the entries table, and let the cleaner update the indexes. Entries posted directly from users make sure to update the indexes before returning an HTTP response.
- Eric Florenzano
The database layer errs on the side of returning too many results, and the Python side of things removes extra entries. This way there are no false positives.
- Eric Florenzano
Had a hard time deciding between using JSON/protocol buffers/pickles as the property bucket format, but eventually decided on pickled python dictionaries because the format is well understood and there was already an efficient Java implementation available.
- Eric Florenzano
Search is done using Lucene, and FriendFeed has built a custom in-memory layer on top of that Lucene backend that stores the diffs and other things--this was needed to provide the near-realtime results that you see.
- Eric Florenzano
The database stuff used to be written in C++ with Python bindings, but that proved too cumbersome. Switched to pure-Python implementation.
- Eric Florenzano
FriendFeed has actually submitted 2 patches to MySQL--Bret says that the MySQL team was very receptive of the patches.
- Eric Florenzano
"The Cleaner" actually has multiple instances running. One process takes about a week and updates every entry in the system. Other processes take much shorter amounts of time and update just the newest entries.
- Eric Florenzano
That's all I can think of for now. There was definitely more interesting bits but that's what I remember off the top of my head :) Hopefully you guys find this interesting.
- Eric Florenzano
We should have setup some kind of FFeed area, didn't know so many people were there- from what I heard the attendance seemed unaware of FriendFeed (and/or not really active users)
- anna sauce
Every entry is a UUID.
- Jauder Ho
Bret wasn't sure what version of MySQL was used but it would be interesting to know. I've been looking at Percona's version but there is not a 32bit deb and no access to source deb (that I know of)
- Jauder Ho
By switching to blob format, easy to add additional fields/metadata.
- Jauder Ho
Design goal is for eventual consistency. "Cleaner" helps clean things up. I.e. indicies are rebuilt continually (most recent is covered more frequently)
- Jauder Ho
"Cleaner" is also able to go back and update older entries with new fields, fetch from feeds etc.
- Jauder Ho
Because entries are uuid, de-dupe is handled with insert noop rather than a unique key constraint.
- Jauder Ho
We're using a pretty recent Percona 5.0 build of MySQL on x86_64 (with innodb tables).
- Jim Norris
Jim, the crowd question was which exact version.
- Jauder Ho
Yeah, Bret said something about trying out a few different versions before finding one that didn't crash.
- Eric Florenzano
That's about all the additional things I can remember. It was an interesting talk, esp. because I remember going through a lot of the same design decisions last year =)
- Jauder Ho
Oh, and Bret promised to put up a link to the slideshow he used.
- Jauder Ho
Would love to see a recording. Sounds very interesting.
- Bill
+1 for a recording, but a link to the slideshow will be great too, Thanks!
- Peter Hoffmann
I do not think anyone recorded the meetup but I could be wrong.
- Jauder Ho
He said he was going to put it up... probably on the blog
- anna sauce
Jauder, we currently use percona's 5.0.77 highperf b13. It should be possible to compile from source to get a 32bit version. Use mysqlbug to find out what configure options were passed to your currently running version.
- Private Sanjeev
Sanjeev, thanks. Percona had released 64bit debs, I was just hoping that they would release the source debs too so that I could compile from that instead.
- Jauder Ho
As a followup, OurDelta is publishing 32bit debs of MySQL incorporating Percona, Google etc. patches. I'm now running 5.0.77d8 with no issues so far. Worth checking out.
- Jauder Ho
Official Gmail Blog: A new mobile Gmail experience for iPhone and Android - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Aaron Draczynski, Manila Envelope, Fred Grott and 56 other people liked this
"Today we're introducing a major revision to Gmail for mobile that takes advantage of the latest browser technology available on iPhone and Android devices. We've updated the user interface, made it faster to open messages, allowed for batch actions (like archiving multiple messages at once), and added some basic offline support"
- Keith Coleman
from Bookmarklet
Rolling out to all accounts now...
- Keith Coleman
I like the name "floaty bar"
- Benjamin Golub
Hmm, gmail.com won't load on my android at all for some reason. Other sites load fine, so it's not my network connection. Maybe it's not rolled out to my account yet?
- Evan Parker
Floaty bar: the best feature name since Maps added floaty balls.
- Jim Norris
It would be great if the Android Gmail app got a similar facelift, since I doubt I would use this site over the native app. Guess Google's left hand isn't talking to the right.
- Daniel Sims
Ah, gmail.com finally loaded. Slick, but mobile web apps, even with gears, can't come close to equaling native apps on android yet. Loading the new version of gmail in my android browser (by hitting refresh after already loading the page once), it took 15 seconds to display my inbox. Opening the andriod gmail app, it only takes ~4s from a cold start, and less than 1s from a warm start (re-opening the app after having used it a couple minutes earlier).
- Evan Parker
Its really good. Like it alot.
- Roberto Bonini
Works really well. Now if I can use that on the native gmail on iPhone...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@daniel, the Android Gmail app did get a face lift, its awesome, you can run the magic firmware on your G1, it has a sort of floaty bar in it and it way faster than the dream gmail app, if you want to learn how to get the latest build, head over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr...
- Kyle Weller
This is quite amazing. Been using it all day instead of mail. Sometimes I'll use mail to know new stuff has come in but the Gmail interface is so much more fluid and easy to use. Labels make it pretty nice too!
- Brandon Titus
Lovely! Please also show floaty bar after I send a message.
- Daniel Dulitz
Seesmic Desktop Preview Launch today 6pm PST - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
Paul, Jorg Jansen, lautaro and 7 other people liked this
exciting Loic! Looking forward to it. Thanks for the advance notice.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
See you tonight, looking fwd to playing with the new Twhirl!
- Patrick Chanezon
Do we need to re-apply to be part of Team Seesmic or is everyone that was already a member still a member?
- Jeff
Got pushed back to 6:30pm pacific 9:30pm eastern
- Jeff
Twhirl's successor coming tonight | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
Morton Fox, Mathew™ one of a kind, Sepehr Lajevardi and 13 other people liked this
"An all new version of the popular Twitter, FriendFeed, Identi.ca, and Seesmic monitoring/publishing tool Twhirl is being unveiled later tonight. Seesmic CEO Loic Le Meur, who acquired the Adobe AIR-based application right around this time last year, has invited bloggers to come take a look at "Seesmic Desktop," which is what will be replacing Twhirl."
- David Cook
from Bookmarklet
very exciting. can't wait to see what comes out. hopefully it will still be an air app.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
as embargoes are almost always broken @PatHawks nobody has Seesmic desktop yet, join #teamseesmic to get it first today http://seesmic.com/pages...
Patrick Chanezon, Qbat, Pat Hawks and Kevin Whalen liked this
I cannot wait to see what you have in store #teamseesmic
- Pat Hawks
Is #teamseesmic getting the new Seesmic desktop today?
- Kevin Whalen
I am excited to try out Seesmic Desktop as it launches!
- Tony
Really looking forward to the Seesmic Desktop =) Can't wait..
- Qbat
Ben has some more usability fun with OpenID http://benzilla.galbraiths.org/2009...
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Looking forward to Alex's follow up posts on Gmail using HTML 5 for mobile devices http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009...
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Great intro of Paul Buchheit http://www.paulgraham.com/5founde... I do not know Paul but everything I have seen from him is special
Patrick Chanezon, Anand Sharma and johnny2009 liked this
Edwin -- I read about Paul in Jessica Livingston's FOUNDERS AT WORK book. My fav quip from Buchheit was when he talked about creating Google's AdSense ' ...was actually something that, if I recall, I did on a Friday.' http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
- johnny2009
A new design for FriendFeed at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Sharon McPherson, rothspec, Anthony K. Valley © and 325 other people liked this
Great job!
- Robert Scoble
Nice job friendfeed!
- Kevin Mohr
Awesome work!
- Aaron Draczynski
Indeed, very good job. Gives me some ideas on Nambu integration.
- Gersham Meharg
realtime by default now eh? nice
- Karl Rosaen
I hate it. I love it! I haven't even scrolled down to the bottom yet. Hold on.......ok, it's good. :-)
- Jeff Eddings
Cheers Bret & team - it's feeling pretty good so far (which includes initial gut reaction)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice job. I can at the very least say it is a big improvement aesthetically. I haven't finished checking everything out yet, but so far so good.
- Rolf Schewe
why there is no Re-share function?
- Tony
I miss the ability to have a Firefox sidebar setup that just had my list of items scrolling past and nothing else along the side like this view: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Justin Yost
Reshare will be back. Just an artifact of beta-testing, didn't make it in for this morning
- Bret Taylor
Definitely not looking for attention here, but I just don't like it.
- Nick
This real time integrated updates is pretty kick butt. Especially for comments.
- Gersham Meharg
don't like the grey background
- Moses
Any new comment can not move up this item?
- Tony
Our settings vary to prevent things shuffling around excessively. We bubble up when someone you are subscribed to comments.
- Bret Taylor
I like the updating comments, but when it shifts what I'm reading out of the frame it's a little distracting. Overall, great work!
- Derek Coatney
also wish i can add links/pics/embed in the "comments"...for example, i'd like to include an image of my email from http://www.emailcover.com, but it only shows up as a link
- brainno722 (Peter)
thanks, it looks awesome!
- Dani Martínez
Congratulations guys on a job well done!
- Thomas Hawk
Love it, but needs a floating Pause button.
- Barak B
+1 Barak
- Kenton
Barak, very good idea
- Kol Tregaskes
The filter is great! But any filter can not output to friends.
- Tony
+1 Barak
- Tony
what filter?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
adding a filter sucks, things like has comments from should ajax populate :(
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
you can create filters when you click "filter"
- Tony
The anticipation was high, but so was delivery! Great job FF team.
- Micah Wittman
Awesome!
- Iván Abrego
Like it! Facebook import (notes & link, not status) seems broken though...
- Alex Lomas
A keyboard shortcut for Pause, maybe?
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Alex, we will look into it,
- Bret Taylor
Can you open an existing conversation in a new window?
- Barak B
1st look is good, like the real time...didn't make it to the bottom the first few minutes. Also the comment box drops down as I am commenting now...message got off screen ;)
- Sanne Buurma
please add keyboard shortcut for play/pause feed
- Ouriel Ohayon
Please, remove the gray background. Any color, but not gray.
- bnoise
Agree with Andy, dislike the fugly grey
- Sally Church
Barak: click on the timestamp to open a conversation in a new window.
- Kevin Mohr
Barack B : you can click the time and select open in new window.
- Simon Wicks
Just bring back the filters to the main feed. Other than that, it looks awesome :D
- Gerardo Curiel
Agreed, the grey isn't that great.
- Gersham Meharg
refresh the page would move up the item which have newest comment?
- Tony
sad grey: why don't you let everyone choose the colour of the background?
- Davide Leonelli
looks awful for me - http://www.flickr.com/photos... - do not like the gray or the wasted space
- Nick
Grey or not, rather think about what the beta has to offer in functionality
- Sanne Buurma
Please, bring back service icons near each post — it's very hard to scan information flow without them. Also hope you'll do something with new subscription module — it's unuseful while managing a lot of imaginary friends.
- Juras Vetrau
Nice. Good job guys.
- Peter Kruit
The colouring needs looking at for sure. Unless, of course, you are going to redesign the logo? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
dislike the grey, sorry
- Manuela
Agree on colouring - but hey its a beta. Thanks Bret.
- Roberto Bonini
But Bret, picking a nice background colour is basically free (although I guess you should really be testing 41 variations :-))
- Alex Gawley
perhaps highlighting your own comments in the flood of comments (easier to scan/find)?
- brainno722 (Peter)
agree, gray background is bothersome.
- AJ Kohn
Wait, is the frequent shifting up and down of items I'm reading (i.e. the items in view) really supposed to work out well? I suppose you guys tried it for a while and you just got used to it?
- j1m
Peter, yep but thankfully the Cleaner FriendFeed GM script still works in Chrome and FFox, which does this for you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't like: broke my Blocks list, Block not available from Hover Menu
- Will Higgins™
Why Will Higgins have a superscript of "TM"? how typed in?
- Tony
it keeps the bad low-contrast grey on white text for comments that deters me from reading it. You made the main text bigger, now make the comment text black.
- Kevin Marks
Fantastic job guys !
- David Berrebi
can't see source of posts and comments
- Moses
Will: block will be back, just missing today, but it is not something we are removing (just something we didn't get in for this morning)
- Bret Taylor
I think you guys should really embrace the idea of hashtags. Let us add them to other people's posts, having various services auto-tag imported items, let us search on them using filters. Tagging is one great way for us to get a handle on the volume of information here.
- Kevin Kuphal
What's with the orange and the green on the side? Its a bit ugly if you ask me. Also, is there a way to change this, as well as make the beta permanent? (I like living on the cutting edge).
- darnell
I too like the orange and green. It's the blue I'm not sure about. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I like the FF blue
- nouhad
Yeah, but it clashes with the logo. Either Friendfeed needs to change their logo, or get rid of the colors. Or (even better) allow users to change the colors. :-)
- darnell
Looks horrible to me, I think we should have a customizable interface more like iGoogle, I like the idea though, just more customization, like sidebar customization, friend lists, realtime widget, chat widget, all movable and arrangeable, there sure is enough space etc...
- Kyle Weller
I'm with Kyle and Darnell - I like being able to customize my GMail colours, and having that feature on FF would be cool
- nouhad
Yes, bring back service icons, somewhere. Also, the bigger font in entries doesn't look good.
- bnoise
Ignoring 71 previous comments... I really like the new design! One request: allow the pause button to follow my cursor as a scroll down the page!
- Chris Messina
+1 Chris Messina. That would be an awesome feature.
- Beau Liening
Add a floating "COMMENT" feature at the bottom of each thread, so I don't have to scroll up to click "comment"... this is a weird experience in new beta UI
- Susan Beebe
@Ari: This is why I really think tagging is what they need to focus on. If we could each add #ffbeta or something to our own posts as well as others, you get the trending and other features that twitter already has. Combine this with filters and you really get some killer information management features.
- Kevin Kuphal
I really like having one UI instead of different modes (normal, realtime, miniwindow), but to support the old "mini window" experience, perhaps allow the right hand side bar with filters and subscriptions to be collapsible?
- Karl Rosaen
@Karl: API is key here. Twitter isn't massively popular because their website rocks. Twitter is massively popular because there's a massive layer of applications built on top of it. Build that for FF and you have the same potential growth
- Kevin Kuphal
I wish it could use more of the screen real estate of my monitor, given my normal window size, it has large amounts of unused space on either size of the content due to the fixed layout. Maybe a multi-column mode?
- Ray Cromwell
Nice job! but, where are my rooms??
- Krishnamoorthy
@Krishnamoorthy rooms I believe have changed to feeds beta.friendfeed.com/[room_name]
- Lou Paglia
the new design works better for me. I am sure there will be glitches, but so far so good.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Is there a way to change my prefs over to to the beta so I don't have to keep entering beta.friendfeed...?
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: there's a link to expand all comments, there should be one to collapse them as wel.
- Ryan Stanley
UI suggestion: after expanding comments you scroll all the way to the bottom reading the thread, then you have scroll all the way back up to click the Comment link. Why not have it at the bottom of the thread too.
- Ryan Stanley
Feature suggestion: FF needs a built-in way of referring to people publicly, just like Twitter's @. Perhaps use the same convention. But there needs to be a way people to address each other in public threads, so a user can make sure to be informed when people are talking or referring to them.
- Ryan Stanley
going to read through faq - roadmap of what made beta & what's going away would be nice - big concern for me is the lose of ability to expand lists to see individual participants - i find that one of ff's strongest features - that and block but i see from earlier in this thread that its will make it in later in beta (whew)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Um, Twitter much?
- Christiana
A Pause button that follows you on page scroll could be more distracting than it's worth. But how about something like it appears upon a white space mousedown/mouseup event.
- Micah Wittman
You guys should use this userstyle: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Kyle Weller
Curious about how the new design will affect the iPhone version of the site...?
- Chris Messina
welcome qwerty. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hmm, I tried to read this thread, but I never got to the bottom, because the unexpected shifts of the text just became too much after a while. Fundamentally, if the page keeps shifting up and down unexpectedly, it's hard to see how anyone's ever going to read it -- hence the many requests for a floating pause button, which would help. You could also imagine pause on hover. Being able to read down the page without having the text disappear seems to me like the #1 use case of ff.
- j1m
I like it.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Of course, it's not really like you want Pause -- the real-time updates are great when they're below wherever the eyes are :-)
- j1m
I love the new UI! I'm a big fan. It feels a lot cleaner and more organized. The real-timeness doesn't bother me. It seems pretty clever about when and when not to refresh. Great job, guys!!! : )
- Jess Lee
Bret - Great job! There are certainly things to clean up before this interface goes to the main page. Rooms should REALLY be on the subscribed list on the right hand column. I would LOVE to be able to put Blank Lines in comments. I don't care if they count for a whole lines worth of characters (as opposed to a more common one character for the cr/lf) Blank lines make comments more legible and clear than just a runtogether paragraph.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't like how the interface STILL loses my place if I subscribe to someone while posting a comment (or even reading it!) I should be able to subscribe to YOU while I read YOU and not lose my page place. The Page should need to be refreshed to reset everyone because of the new subscription.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't know about the queued items, I like the real time feed, having selectable speeds instead of "over-caffination required mode" would be good. Most discussions this is irrelevant, but the discussion on tis new beta this morning (i.e. on scoble's feed) showed how insane that can be.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The real-time-only feed in the beta is causing Safari 4b on my MacBook use up a lot of CPU cycles, hence depleting the battery faster. I'm sure FF3 will too. Please consider an "ECO Mode" similar to the current standard mode, which only refreshes once every few minutes, for those running their machines on battery power. Without such an eco-mode, and with the rapid-fire pace of live updates, I fear that I won't be using FFeed much at all. Certainly not leaving that tab open for hours on end like I used to.
- Siddharth Deb
I don't know if I've done something, or you guys did, but when I look here, I only have a few services setup in the account, when I go to the old interface I have a LOT more -I'm not certain that everything is feeding through? (i.e. I have Digg and Disqus set up, I see the correct list of icons on the old interface, but on the beta "settings" popup, No Dice. Even if this is irrelevant to the actual data flow, please fix this to make me sleep well at night. ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One more thing - Could we have a character counter in the comments? It would be REALLY nice, if my account is setup to post this comment to my twitter account, and it's going to post the link to this discussion, please Add the number of characters in the link (plus a space) to the total character count. That way I won't be truncating the comment and/or the URL when it gets to twitter.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Another thing: I used to be able to click the "More" next to a single discussion, and "Link to this discussion" Where is that? If this is an outmoded way of thinking please let me know. Otherwise, um...can we have that feature back?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: the timestamp ("9 hours ago") is the permalink
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: You rock! Thanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
do you need a techno dunce to help the average joe make sense of this?? haha...i love it...
- Lauren Shanahan
Very twitter like. But better due to nice conversational.
- xiawinter
I actually kinda like the grey... though it does look like it's an opportunity to let companies brand the background in some way.
- Frankie Warren
For cc to Twitter functionality, can the number of characters be a count-down instead of a count-up?
- Winston Teo
I'd like to second the notion that there should be a way to address an individual within a thread...the agreed upon "Rob:" works great, but maybe could be clickable so that there's no confusion as to which Rob or which Scoble you're talking to ;) (i.e. maybe a CTRL-Click or something on the person's name after their comment to start a new comment with their name at the beginning? )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The grey background looks kinda dullish, and it looks like someone ran out of ideas for colours..
- Winston Teo
IMO avatars occupy way too much real estate now, I liked the smaller ones better.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
thsi is nothing on the new design, but after being on here all night with no attention to a down twitter, I am reminded of this: It would be nice if I could set the post to twitter for comments and likes a) permanent b) off or C) on a per comment/like basis -twitter users say this "yeah, when ppl I follow flood me with FF spam ... I usually unfollow ... even block if it irritates me enough." And I would like to be able to be easily selective of what gets put through, and it would get more GOOD attn for FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
please, for the love of god, move the "comment" link to the BOTTOM of the list of comments. seriously, am I the only one who can't believe this hasn't been fixed for so long?
- Dossy Shiobara
I like it
- Cristian
Great stuff! :-) FriendFeed does it better than Facebook. Please go real-time all the way for subscription requests and confirmatoions too.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
++ Nenad Nikolic
- Darren Heydon
I dont like nofollows on friendfeed and links are moved to urls very bad :(
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
I like quick stats on user feed on top right of screen.
- Turkey banned Bloggum :(
Love the new friendfeed!
- Chris Martin
from Nambu
It's not bad, but I prefer the smoothness of the old one to the lines and edges in this new one.
- scott willeke
I love the new letter-counting post widget in the beta though.
- scott willeke
at first glance, find it much more readable than the old one. Pity there still isn't "my items that were liked or commented by others"
- Stephanie Booth
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Bret: all the videos are now up at http://scobleizer.blip.tv -- thanks for inviting me and for all you do.
- Robert Scoble
I like this beta
- Goofy2
Stephanie: comments:1 likes:1 from:sbooth
- Justin Long
stephanie & justin - that is in the catch all http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... - i went and liked/commented on something from each of you that had no other activity - you should both see that bubble up in /discussions...
- mike "glemak" dunn
LOVE THE NEW BETA ! the new filter is so powerful, more powerful if you could add "language parameter"!!
- foxmachia {山石}
still waiting for direct-to-room links on the right column, is it planned? (with lastupdated timestamps if possible)
- Kemal Hadimli
Nice.
- Thomas Chai
Three places to catch Google Developer Days 2009: Beijing, China, Tokyo, Japan, and São Paulo, Brazil: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009...
Nenad Nikolic, Nick Lothian, Patrick Chanezon and mjc liked this
I may attend at least one of these, and will definitely be at Google I/O (the big 2-day event) in San Francisco on May 27-28th: http://code.google.com/events...
- DeWitt Clinton
And the others (Australia...) will be announced when?
- Nick Lothian
@Nick, no news about other dates/places, but I'll be sure to let you know if we announce something.
- DeWitt Clinton
:) I'll buy you a beer if you make it down here.
- Nick Lothian
I'll be at I/O, Toyko, and Beijing.
- Ray Cromwell
Check out the Google API Playground, version 2: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009...
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Congrats to Ben on his excellent work building this. http://code.google.com/apis...
- DeWitt Clinton
Tried CC-ing Twitter with this, rather than posting on Twitter directly, but the message was truncated to a ff.im link back to the FF thread, rather than squeezing the original message and URL into the tweet. Not quite the behavior I expected.
- DeWitt Clinton
cool v2 for the playground: I love the debugger!
- Patrick Chanezon
Sweet juicy peaches, this is jazz-tastic.
- Ken Kennedy
Google Developer Days 2009: the first three locations - http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009...
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Hints about other cities?
- Nenad Nikolic
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Gillmor Gang will record Monday 4PM Pacific w/ FriendFeed founders
Mike Cooke, Daniel Chow, John Flinchbaugh and 107 other people liked this
Great timing. Big day for FriendFeed Monday. I'll definitely be tuned in.
- Rolf Schewe
Awesome!
- Susan Beebe
Great! I may actually be able to catch that one due to the time! Thanks!
- ursi
I will be in the air, unfortunately. Bummer.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. A good time for that.
- Thomas Hawk
Gillmor, is anyone from the FF team on your show this afternoon?
- Thomas Hawk
My guess would be he's probably been tired since Friday or so, Chris. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Paul Buchheit will be on Gilmor Gang at 4PM Pacific streamed on Twit.TV live
- Steve Gillmor
I can barely hear what Leo is saying.
- Dave Winer
Leo's spent the last few days trying to recover from a tricaster failure and has been tweaking levels on different services, getting resolutions reset on feeds, etc. The ustream feed seems to have the best audio at the moment: http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- Ken Sheppardson
50min till Gillmor Gang right?
- Wo
Cris: yes
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Ken. This real time thing is pretty neat!
- Wo
Live now at http://live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul Buchheit, Mike Arrington, Scoble, Dan Farber, Andrew Keen, and Kevin Marks.
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike says he's writing an article right now: "FriendFeed is in danger of becoming the coolest app no one uses"
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike sorta declares FF missed the boat and won't be able to overcome Twitter's lead/network effects. Paul's trying to defend the fact that they can/should be more than one company in the space.
- Ken Sheppardson
I disagree with Arrington
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a short term shift en masse to FriendFeed
- Ken Sheppardson
Has Andrew used the beta?
- Ken Sheppardson
Andrew seems like he doesn't understand the beta.
- Thomas Hawk
Talking heads are mentioning Twitter because it is a fad
- Bwana ☠
the idea of twitter storing my images and video on their site gives me the willies.
- Karoli
Half of them don't even know what they're saying
- Bwana ☠
I wish they'd stop talking about twitter...
- Adnan
yeah it seems like some of the people on the call really don't understand how the new FriendFeed even really works.
- Thomas Hawk
I just brought my friends timeline into Friendfeed as a custom RSS feed.
- Karoli
Bwana: Yeah, this is a whole lot more about how the standard market dynamics stuff than what FriendFeed's done
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought this was going to be a "Twitter free" edition...I guess I was wrong.
- Ahmed
I can't understand some of these guys because they are talking over each other.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Ahmed: You can't really talk about FriendFeed after today without also talking about Twitter and Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey, yeah... let's talk to Paul about this...
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris: They have to go through the usual suspects before they can settle in and talk about FriendFeed :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris, don't take it personally.
- Kevin Fox
live updating on the new beta really works well for this type of back channel.
- Thomas Hawk
Ken : True...
- Ahmed
This realtime discussion is amazing... instant realtime chat room!
- Adnan
Mike is missing the standards conversation
- Kevin Marks
Thomas, it's great. I did turn off the replies to Twitter feature though...
- Karoli
Live blogging events pretty much changed overnight.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to ask Paul, will there be any chance to give people the choice for run-Time instead of forcing it onto people. That's what I didn't like. Leave it an option.
- Mol, Santa Claws
That's actually a really good point: "Celebrities aren't coming to Twitter for conversation."
- Kevin Fox
Thomas: opening up an entry page (this one for instance: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) works really well in the beta. It's like a chat room :)
- Benjamin Golub
I agree with Paul, personally I'm not interested in celebrities and Twitter has very little appeal for me. I'm far more interested in interesting tech and photography and for that FF is far more interesting a place.
- Thomas Hawk
Molly, just hit pause and manually refresh
- Karoli
Neither is Steve Gillmor, for that matter.
- Kent
Benjamin: Only little kink is the page doesn't scroll to keep up. The convo keeps walking off the bottom of the screen.
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post a comment, does it leave the post input open and focused? No. :(
- Michael Leggett
Are the comments to this post from Steve just an analog to an IRC chat? Looks darned familiar!
- Calgary Guru
I love FF over Twitter.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Michael: It does if you're on a single-item page.
- Kevin Fox
Calgary: Absolutly, but it's persistent, searchable, linkable...
- Ken Sheppardson
RT is great for these fast-moving conversations, but if only the comment button was down at the bottom.
- j1m
Michael: when on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) if you post a comment it immediately refocuses the comment box. Edit: Kevin beat me!
- Benjamin Golub
It makes it pretty much a group IM chat.
- Kevin Fox
yeah this is nice.
- MG Siegler
...and when I see somebody say something interesting here, I can jump off an link to everything they've ever written.
- Ken Sheppardson
J1m if you click the link and come into this post only, the comment button is at the bottom.
- Simon Wicks
Facebook. ugh.
- Karoli
Can I go slap Mike Arrington?
- Mol, Santa Claws
Molly, get in line behind me.
- Karoli
Molly: Ask Kevin to.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed pro tip: once on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) click on the entry timestamp again :)
- Benjamin Golub
Mike was pretty hilarious at the FF demo on Friday. He was wandering around the office looking at whiteboards and stuff...
- Ken Sheppardson
Why should I use FriendFeed when I'm happy on Twitter? <-- Use Twitter. Duh.
- Bwana ☠
Facebook's UGI is crap now, but I still use it. :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Benjamin: That's sweet!
- Sam Grover
Thanks Benjamin
- Phil Maxwell
oops UI not UGI
- Mol, Santa Claws
I like the way these comments are turning into an irc room
- Kevin Marks
Twitter is a broadcasting channel now. The real exchange of ideas is going to be here.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed has photos, Twitter does not, I think that's huge right there and very disruptive.
- Thomas Hawk
oh, that's very cool Benjamin
- Karoli
FF is good for the conversation.
- Mol, Santa Claws
I think with the feedback FF is getting, they will improve their UI.
- Mol, Santa Claws
Friendfeed is pretty cool with the update.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
It's lots of things. It's adaptable. It's sorta infinitely extensible. The trick is making it simple at the same time.
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul seems like a really understanding person.
- Mol, Santa Claws
The comment box needs to be above the comment stream so it doesn't get pushed of the bottom of the window if a couple of people post comments while you're typing.
- Phil Maxwell
Kevin: Ask what FF's runway looks like, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
Can't wait to hear it. When will it post to the web.
- Tom Parish
I am not giving Twitter or Facebook my content. They keep it
- Karoli
It would be interesting to pick any two: FriendFeed, Facebook, or Twitter, and assign those two arbitrary user counts where one had 10x the other, and then try to make the argument of how the underdog was doomed, or would eclipse the larger site.
- Kevin Fox
I can't understand why it's always a choice between FriendFeed or Twitter and not a choice between Facebook or Twitter. Boggles my mind
- Bwana ☠
When FriendFeed will tip: When people get sick of duplicating themselves across FB, Twitter, Flickr, Disqus, BackType, etc.
- Karoli
There are tautological arguments. Twitter is superior to Friendfeed because it's simple, but Facebook is superior to Twitter because it has more functionality.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think a direct 1-to-1 comparison of users is fair. Does a twitter user have the same value as a FF user under all the possible monitization schemes you can imagine?
- Ken Sheppardson
*sarcastic tone* Yeah get Paul off the line so we can trash FF. *rolls eyes*
- Mol, Santa Claws
FF is far superior to either for two simple reasons. 1. It's far better for conversations. 2. Visual representation is significant and in many ways can be more relevant than text alone.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer friendfeed over twitter because it allows a conversation to beuch less fragmented. I can see the whole conversation rather than having to jump all over the place to pick up what is being said. Twitter is one on one im and not the group chat I prefer
- Iain
Scoble speaks truth.
- Bwana ☠
The most telling argument is probably that this dicussion we're having here simply couldn't happen on Twitter as it currently exists.
- Kevin Fox
@Kevin @Bravada Agreed! Discussion here is much easier to follow than on Twitter
- Pat Hawks
Scoble rocks
- Mol, Santa Claws
I'm on the call and reading this
- Kevin Marks
nice. hi Kevin.
- Thomas Hawk
Hi Kevin :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Kevin: Hi! Are you reading via the entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...)?
- Benjamin Golub
Much better than the 'real chat rooms'
- Amyloo
Mike has a very typical biz/VC approach to this it seems. Sorta limits the scope of what one sees it seems.
- Ken Sheppardson
We have real-time web around a real-time video show...
- Bwana ☠
When Paul says multiple services converging... does that mean he sees friendfeed, facebook and twitter eventually having the same functionality?
- Adnan
Adnon: No, it means he sees interoperability and a free flow of data between them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Adnan, since Facebook seems to copy everything FriendFeed does anyway... :)
- Karoli
Back in my day, we called this IRC... kinda cool it's on the web now
- Bwana ☠
"Why would you want a private room?" Because some people have friends in real life that they want to share with and not worry about random people on the internets messing it up
- Pat Hawks
Bwana: And we can search it, link to it, hop off form it into peoples' other stuff, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, I'm off. Bye :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Bwana, on the web and going out to anyone who follows you if you want it to.
- Karoli
Someone should get Scoble in this thread.
- Thomas Hawk
Scoble speaks for the drunken folk. yay!
- Bwana ☠
Kevin: Suggest Andrew actually try it, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Kevin it would be great to let the others on the call know that this is going on.
- Thomas Hawk
Beta tweak: Put a comment link a the bottom of an active thread. I keep having to scroll up to get the comment box to come back up :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: go directly to the item. It expands automatically, and you always have a comment box open: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana, are you on the permalinked (and beta) page of this thread? If so, I think the box should always show.
- Philipp Lenssen
Oh ok, I was on Steve's page
- Bwana ☠
IM should be a component of Twitter, except that they don't give a shit about their users.
- Karoli
Is friendfeed doing anything with opensocial?
- Adnan
I think FriendFeed might kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia
- MG Siegler
Chris: Some folks on this call (e.g. Steve) think email's dying, yes.
- Ken Sheppardson
I hate email. I like FF direct messaging.
- Thomas Hawk
Compare this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... to this: http://search.twitter.com/search... Which is actually more meaningful?
- Kevin Fox
Chris White: maybe that's why Twitter removed their IM functionality?
- Phil Maxwell
Friend feed is all about the databasing and the search!!
- Ed Dale
@Kevin Yes! FriendFeed search ftw
- Pat Hawks
Because you're using it Leo LOL
- Bwana ☠
Adnan: Matt Cutts and Paul were talking about OpenSocial last Friday night... keep your eyes open.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin: perfect example
- Bwana ☠
On Twitter, I know 50 people are telling other people to listen to Gillmore Gang. On Friendfeed there are several active conversations in realtime *about* the things that are being discussed on the show right now.
- Kevin Fox
The search is the most powerful I've seen, particularly when it starts updating in real time
- Karoli
Which is why I'm so excited about Filters
- Bwana ☠
My company uses friendfeed as a group repository for niches we are researching - fully searchable - people can comment and it's permanent
- Ed Dale
ken: I was in the middle of watching scobles video of the event when the gillmorgang started... :)
- Adnan
Kevin Fox: Would be nice if there were someway to know/see what other convos are going.
- Ken Sheppardson
bwana: I can't wait till when they make filters realtime!
- Adnan
twitter is broadcast - friendfeed is a destination
- Ed Dale
Not *everybody* uses Google, but they're doing all right
- Pat Hawks
Adnan: It was after the demo, over a beer.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken Sheppardson: That's what I linked to: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Kevin Fox
Google at one point was far smaller than Yahoo. And then Google came along with better tech. Sometimes you actually can build a better mousetrap.
- Thomas Hawk
Adnan: seriously
- Bwana ☠
It's a search for "Gillmor Gang' entries with more than 5 comments.
- Kevin Fox
Leo speaks for the common man
- Bwana ☠
Aha... cool. I've been trying to funnel everybody here. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike is wrong about network effects and disruption.
- Kevin Marks
friendfeed needs an api period - not what they are currently calling an api
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Some superset of the Twitter API, yes
- Ken Sheppardson
the trouble with twitter is the follow you follow me problem - by making it to "rude" not to follow people - they create a mess
- Ed Dale
I agree with those who say the API for FF needs to be more robust. Developers won't build if they don't get an API they can work with.
- Karoli
yes, follow too many people on twitter it's a total mess. FriendFeed is far more manageable.
- Thomas Hawk
let him finish a sentence, mike
- Ken Sheppardson
not true @chris White - anyone can send you an @ message
- Ed Dale
Scoble and Mike, like a married couple :)
- Simon Wicks
FF is vastly superior for realtime search.
- Thomas Hawk
it isn't real time search, Mike. it's TRACK
- Karoli
The metadata's much, much richer on FF than Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
with the real time push, it becomes track
- Karoli
I gree with that -
- Ed Dale
impossible
- Ed Dale
Thomas: Agreed! Robert really has a point... even Arrington agrees! realtime search is important.
- Adnan
This real-time chat is one of the reasons why FF new UI is so much relevant
- Martin Añazco
Martin - But it's tooo faaaaaaaast </whine> :P
- Bwana ☠
Likes are much richer than Favorites
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana, you crack me up.
- Kevin Fox
this chat is excellent.
- Ed Dale
see how this realtime is limited to this thread....Guess what else can do that... LISTS!!
- Bwana ☠
friendfeed has metadata because they don't strip it from the incoming sources - twitter strips all of it but the source and the 140 characters
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Lists of comments provide much more semantic connectivity than @ signs on Twitter
- Ken Sheppardson
@Bwana we will get use to it or find better ways to use it. It's just day 1 on this.
- Martin Añazco
someone in the chat room just said short statement metadata is useless. LOL.
- Karoli
Martin - yup you're right
- Bwana ☠
hang with the hashtags, then
- Karoli
Likes are the new retweets
- Karoli
Scoble is a FFholic!! best ever..
- Ahmed
He said Plurk!! hahah
- Bwana ☠
oh dear the meta data of likes and comments alone is immense for the search engine
- Ed Dale
If this permalinked thread is IRC, then I would want the comment box to always be scrolled into sight/ be at the bottom, tho.
- Philipp Lenssen
Twitter and FF can and will coexist.
- Pat Hawks
Yeah, Laconica/Jaiku are the biggest losers here.
- Ken Sheppardson
Philipp, agree. frustrating to keep having to retrieve the comment box.
- Karoli
Philip it is here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Bwana ☠
Robert just nailed it.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes. Needles out of the haystack ftw
- Pat Hawks
Ken, why isn't there a bridge into Laconica like there is to Twitter?
- Karoli
That's why they're shutting him up Thomas
- Bwana ☠
Right on Scoble!!
- Ed Dale
You have all the same friends you had yesterday, you just see them now. You're just seeing everything you used to miss.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert is on top of it tonight
- Bwana ☠
Mike Arrington is an asshole today.
- Karoli
Mike! See this forum! THIS IS WHY!
- Pat Hawks
@Karoli only today?
- Ahmed
Karoli: You mean a little checkbox to post to Identica? Because nobody uses Identica.
- Ken Sheppardson
I just realized..my FriendFeed stats are going to be weird this month... Steve Gillmor will be my #1 guy
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: He has to be to deal with Mike.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ahmed I was hoping someone would say that.
- Karoli
Scoble's really on today. Making very good points.
- Thomas Hawk
Bwana, that is where I am, but old comments perhaps should be pushed away by new comments... right now, new comments push away the comment box instead.
- Philipp Lenssen
Here it is again...Explain again Robert lol
- Bwana ☠
if you have comments and likes!! you can filter!!!!!
- Ed Dale
Scoble knows how FF works far more than Arrington does.
- Thomas Hawk
meta data is sadly not a celebrity word :-)
- Ed Dale
Ken...but still, what if we want to communicate from FF. I have to leave to reply, can't send likes there. Even if it's not huge, it would center everything on FF
- Karoli
SOMEBODY get this link in front of Mike!
- Pat Hawks
Scobles been put on the spot so many times, he's improved all his arguments over time! :)
- Adnan
Ed - Let's make a cute name for it.. "Meta Meta" or "MoMeta"
- Bwana ☠
I like how the company founder just sits back and let's Scoble explain stuff. Robert is FriendFeed's "Goose", re the Top Gun analogy earlier today.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Karoli I think he is just on the show to make people angry...
- Ahmed
Fluffy kitten meta
- Ed Dale
also group messaging, Filters...
- Ken Sheppardson
how do I make a filter of only this comment stream? (sorry if it's a stupid question)
- Michael Breslin
FF = the dream of social search realized. Twitter = one big search mess.
- Thomas Hawk
DITTO SCOBLE!!!
- Ed Dale
awkward silence of "I'm right you're wrong"
- Bwana ☠
Fuck you, Mike Arrington. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
sorry about the ditto!
- Ed Dale
:)
- Thomas Hawk
but its searchable!!!!
- Ed Dale
This could never happen on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
its permanent!!!
- Ed Dale
And you can search it later, link to other stuff, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Michael, as a workaround, perhaps you can search for this guid and add the search as filter 579630c9-3f6c-4e9e-a8ec-4e91a52d9f91
- Philipp Lenssen
Let that become Arrington metadata. I've been saying that to myself forever
- Karoli
Just today :)
- Kent
If other companies start pumping their activities into twitter and if they get to critical mass, does that nuke FriendFeed?
- Angus Logan
you cant save IRS ...easily
- Ed Dale
We have this thread as proof when Arrington says he was behind FF all along when it becomes big
- Bwana ☠
YES!
- Pat Hawks
Yes, Michael
- Ken Sheppardson
Ahmed, he's succeeding.
- Karoli
:)
- Bwana ☠
haha. yes.
- Thomas Hawk
pretty much
- Ed Dale
Yes, you broke the embargo... Jerk.
- Bwana ☠
I love you!
- Bwana ☠
I HATE you too.
- Bwana ☠
wow..who likes Arrington...really?
- Ahmed
Arrington should join this chat.
- Thomas Hawk
Gmail has all your email. Next argument.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken wins again
- Bwana ☠
and google has all its data on their site!!
- Ed Dale
Angus, how is Friendfeed nuked? Given that Twitter's feed can come to FF, I'd think the superior search would hose Twitter
- Karoli
uhhh... now we are worried about silos... but we aren't worried about it when we talk about twitter?
- Adnan
Ken, I have all my email. GMail holds it in the cloud, but it's all stored here, too.
- Karoli
Twitter is limited...FF is the future!
- Ahmed
I'd rather have the guy who came up with "don't be evil" managing the conversation on his site than trusting it to Twitter. just sayin'.
- Thomas Hawk
I think of the Big Three, FriendFeed is the most likely to build embeddable services that let publishers brand their conversations.
- Ken Sheppardson
its certainly not either/or
- Ed Dale
It's here!
- Chris Baskind
It's RIGHT HERE.
- Trevor Childs
WE ARE HERE :)
- Ahmed
*Waves to Mike*
- Ken Sheppardson
Too bad Mike doesn't listen to women. he'd have the link to the chat room now.
- Karoli
too much scrolling
- Maxine Appleby
and you can search for it
- Ed Dale
Philipp, thanks, seems to work.
- Michael Breslin
Somebody tell mike to search for "arrington comments: 200"
- Ken Sheppardson
You're not good at all sir
- Bwana ☠
com'on now, it's right here..my 14 year old bro can find it!
- Ahmed
LOL
- Bwana ☠
I found it!
- Randy Archer
"It's right there at the top" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Hi. Welcome to your doom
- Bwana ☠
Hi, Mike
- Ken Sheppardson
he's found it.
- Thomas Hawk
Hi Mike.
- Thomas Hawk
Click on the timestamp
- Ken Sheppardson
What has science done?!
- iluvgimp
Listening (and viewing) the discussion in real time is amazing.
- Henry Burger
Here it is again!!
- Jeff
found it, finally, eh?
- Karoli
Does this thing auto scroll for us as well? (my entry box has just scrolled off the screen!) I guess not.
- Viran
GamersCircle Comics was here
- Andy Wood
Somebody tell mike to search for "arrington comments: 200" - great point
- Ed Dale
this could never happen on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
LOL blais
- Bwana ☠
it isn't a chat room... it is a conversation
- Brian Roy
the scroll issue needs to be fixed. hate my comment box rolling out of sight
- Karoli
Auto scroll would be sweet.
- Pat Hawks
how about an autoscroll? Is that possible?
- Phil Maxwell
why to turn it into a room? just click on the time stamp, it has its own page
- Jérôme Flipo
And we stay on topic here. (mostly)
- Bwana ☠
If you go to the item directly, http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... it'll scroll automatically for you, with a comment box that sticks on the bottom
- Ken Sheppardson
a searchable and PERMANENT conversation
- Ed Dale
go here and the box stays at teh bottom
- Amyloo
muahahah
- Bwana ☠
I agree with Pat...we need auto scroll
- Ahmed
he found it thank the lord
- Zach Scott
Real-time comment is awesome
- Jérôme Flipo
Autoscrolling would be nice
- Jeff
nice, thanks Ken
- Viran
no need to get my 14 year old bro lol
- Ahmed
the nice thing about FF is that there hasn't really been any censorship that i've seen.
- Thomas Hawk
No. The permalink does not autoscroll...
- Pat Hawks
I am not a troll. I am reacting in real time.
- Karoli
It's not trolling if people would say it to your face, Mike ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Trolls are usually wrong...I'm just right :)
- Bwana ☠
Oh, no, we bash Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
it's constructive criticism Mike :)
- Ahmed
<3 Leo.
- iluvgimp
Mike, I promise I don't spit
- Karoli
Scoble made the most sense on the call. And probably knows FF better than anyone else on the call except Paul.
- Thomas Hawk
block block block
- Ken Sheppardson
Oohh also, use the scroll function in the browser, activated using the mousewheel/mousebutton3 and just set it to scroll to the bottom of the page, once it hits the last item, it won't scroll until a new item is added by friendfeed.
- Viran
Mike is just one of those persons that some people just love to hate :)
- Phil Maxwell
you're wrong! BLOCK!
- Bwana ☠
LOL
- Bwana ☠
Scoble has used the service a heap and gets the power of it
- Ed Dale
+1 for Shel
- Pat Hawks
Oh, please. stop it. you sat there and said FF would fail and a room full of people reacted . that's not trolling.
- Karoli
Click on Saturday, which is a permalink and yes it does autoscroll. You need to go all the way down to the bottom
- Rolf Schewe
OH Leo, don't say that please...
- Trevor Childs
This is one of th few times where I completely agree with Scobel
- Keith Barrett
Amyloo: How do you get to the link?
- Nick in Manila
Thanks Leo :)
- Andrew Smith
Scoble understands FF... mostly
- Bwana ☠
@Rolf @Ken not in Firefox it doesn't
- Pat Hawks
I've disagreed with him too :)
- Bwana ☠
Rolf, the browser does not autoscroll here (Firefox 2.0.8). The comments do auto-push the box away instead.
- Philipp Lenssen
Leo speaks sense.
- Thomas Hawk
"mini-forums" will sping up where they are required
- Ed Dale
+1 Karoli
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Reminds me I need to cancel my Well membership.
- Shawn Thompson
Yeah, in firefox the confo flows off the end of the screen
- Ken Sheppardson
Good of leo to make nice with paul, so he'll want to come back...
- Amyloo
idem for Chrome, Philipp
- Jérôme Flipo
+1 Philipp
- Pat Hawks
Yes. I thought you meant it was not real-time. Misunderstood.
- Rolf Schewe
Barbarians being ... well ... actual people.
- Chris Baskind
The ShamWow salesmen
- Bwana ☠
I put my screen bottom up, so that the last comment is always at the top :D
- Jérôme Flipo
But if we are commenting publicly how can we be trolls?
- Brian Allen
Talent is not universal
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris Baskind +1
- Karoli
I gotta say, the FF UI is not very intuitive.
- iluvgimp
I am using Firefox 3.1 beta. Same thing happens here
- Rolf Schewe
twitter will be fine if they get rid of auto follow
- Ed Dale
It helps Hammer
- Bwana ☠
Unwashed masses: The people that do not use leading edge tech
- Keith Barrett
:)
- Bwana ☠
who cares about following celebrities. I don't. I'm much more interesting in following great photographers.
- Thomas Hawk
Doesn't auto-keep box at bottom of browser window in Chrome either here.
- Philipp Lenssen
Well Leo..she did stop a suicide, so she is pretty smart..
- Ahmed
Wow, real time increase a lot the comment flooding, look at this thread!
- Jérôme Flipo
Oh, the permalink is on the date, kind of like Wordpress.
- Nick in Manila
Trolls .. Blocking give trolls more power
- Michael Holzinger
Ed, I disagree. The Twitterati lists combined with lack of track mean it will be elitist. that's how they want it. Like Google weighting toward corporate sites in their results
- Karoli
Nick: and Twitter :)
- Bwana ☠
Jerome: We're discussing the live streaming Gillmor Gang at http://live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
awkward silence of "wut"
- Bwana ☠
Sometiemes trolls are nice to have around.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm on Twitter because my site's readers are there, too.
- Chris Baskind
Chrome seems to handle the ajax in a little smoother way on the thread page
- Amyloo
wow, this is long. I like the trend with FF. They just need to give me some numbers that will boost my ego and I'll switch over.
- Nick Gonzalez
Chris: I thought a troll was somebody who tried to incite you into responding.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Philipp Lenssen Same issue here. I need to scroll down constantly to play catch up with the ever growing conversation. Hopefully there will be a fix for that.
- Rolf Schewe
Mike, this could never happen on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
As opposed to Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
MAINSTREAM users pay for servers and keeping a service up.
- Angus Logan
you are Mike
- Andrew Smith
And now Mike is the Troll
- Pat Hawks
Mike's trolling :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter would get a reaction..we're too smart for that kind of bait
- Bwana ☠
@Ken, I know, I'm listening too :S
- Jérôme Flipo
Chris, exactly. so if you could bring your Twitter stream into Friendfeed, and reply from there, it's an invitation to conversation
- Karoli
Mike is so much fun. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Leo nailed it.
- Thomas Hawk
better than the junior high kids in the chat on the video pages!
- Amyloo
Oh no..you didn't!
- Ahmed
Leo, FTW.
- Karoli
"I said that just to get a reaction." the definition of trolling.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Twitter = the AOL of Micromessaging.
- Thomas Hawk
Agree with thomas - twitter is about individuals - friend feed will work for groups
- Ed Dale
Mike would be a good agent provocateur.
- Rolf Schewe
@Rolf Schewe I'm using the autoscroll using the mousewheel button to permanently scroll to the bottom of the page, give that a try :)
- Viran
how many comments can a post hold before it starts messing up the browser? are their any posts with 1000+ comments?
- Phil Maxwell
It's not Twitter vs FriendFeed....
- Bwana ☠
scoble's giving away money post had over a thousand I think.
- Thomas Hawk
Twitter is a brilliant success that has not made a cent yet
- Ed Dale
We could care less if Twitter succeeds
- Bwana ☠
There's a difference between lots of people and quality content
- Pat Hawks
MySpace grew at a staggering rate for awhile too
- Karoli
and twitter is avery different service to friendfeed
- Ed Dale
Phil, Robert had a 1000+ comment string
- Karoli
Viran, I tried that, but how do you combine it with typing? :)
- Philipp Lenssen
@Karoli ROFL
- Pat Hawks
friendfeed will never be able to compete with Twitter's simplicity.
- Phil Maxwell
That's like saying Facebook will fail because Twitter succeeds
- Bwana ☠
Why can't Twitter, FriendFeed, and Facebook all succeed? Apple seems to be doing just fine right along side Microsoft?
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter is only a small part of FF. FF supplements other services
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Anybody who compares FriendFeed directly with Twitter doesn't understand Twitter
- Pat Hawks
@Viran Thanks. Works great, until I have to type. ;)
- Rolf Schewe
build in Friendfeed comments to your blog, Mike
- Karoli
I will, however, refrain from repeating my FF/My Space comparison. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
JaikuEngine: -)
- Ken Sheppardson
I think in the future, people are going to hate simple stuff, they will need more features...
- Ahmed
XMPP
- Phil G
So how does the plugging of networks happen? Open Social? Why won't they talk about that?
- Adnan
Yeah a comment button on the BOTTOM of the feed!!!!!!!!!!!!1 yeah! thanks for listening to my request for this earlier today!!!!1 woooo hooo!
- Susan Beebe
twitter and friendfeed work well together
- Ed Dale
REALTIME BLOG -- Try real time comments when people aren't on your blog using IM for the hundreds of millions of people on their desktop
- Angus Logan
So we've went from it'll fail, to "I want this"
- Bwana ☠
Ok must go... hubby wants BEEEEEEEER :) sorry to hit and run
- Susan Beebe
Susan: Yes, when you're viewing an individual post.
- Ken Sheppardson
I will crush the enemy social media and drive them before me and hear the lament of their users.
- Moved to Facebook
smart hubby.
- Thomas Hawk
i want transcript of the Gillmor Gang show today... :)
- Susan Beebe
Bwana: I'm sure part of it is devils advocate/entertainment.
- Ken Sheppardson
Its also very easy to subscribe to people here who are making sense - just click on their name
- Ed Dale
Or good old fashioned two facerry
- Bwana ☠
If the commenting systems go away, we still have the data.
- Chris Baskind
Thomas - Yep we're celebrating! He finally dumped a client I advised him to dump MONTHS ago! my treat...LOTS of beer
- Susan Beebe
I just made up a word
- Bwana ☠
Mike throws stuff into Twitter. THAT is why it's better than FriendFeed
- Pat Hawks
FriendFeed is the most likely of any of these big services to provide you with something that'll live on your system.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes you did
- Susan Beebe
Who here is making sense?
- iluvgimp
haha funny Bwana!
- Susan Beebe
stuff -nice word for it
- Susan Beebe
lol @ Bwana
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Susan's making the most sense about the whole getting beer for her husband thing.
- Thomas Hawk
Daniel: What do you mean? We're talking about the live feed at http://live.twit.tv
- Ken Sheppardson
how big will friendfeed have to get before kevin marks makes the move over to it?
- Amyloo
yep :) I should should real-time comment how good each Harp & Guinness on tap will taste :)
- Susan Beebe
having the data is HUGE. Twitter doesn't give yours back. Facebook? HAHAHAHA
- Karoli
We use it for storage and search - create a room for a niche, get all the feeds in their and see what people like and what they comment on
- Ed Dale
love you guys... gotta run... this is FUNNNNNNN :) thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
"©2009 FriendFeed" is printed below what I'm typing.
- Philipp Lenssen
Hello world \n
- Ricardo Liberato
it's my default now
- Amyloo
KShep: I'm listening to the same feed :) Just making a joke about none of this making sense.
- iluvgimp
I'm never goin' back
- Pat Hawks
People hate the grey
- Bwana ☠
userstyles ftw
- Bwana ☠
agreed Pat
- Ed Dale
The summary: Twitter has already changed the game. FF could maybe change the game, but whether it will remains to be seen. We are still in the early stages of how this stuff works. Obviously, Twitter and FF (and dozens of other services) aren't mutually exclusive.
- Albert Willis
user styles would rawk
- Karoli
Daniel: gotcha
- Ken Sheppardson
Is there a Pause hotkey?
- Chris Baskind
i like FF beta
- Michael Holzinger
oh Leo, they are not.
- Karoli
@amyloo I'm mostly on twhirl, but this new FF is looking good
- Kevin Marks
Pause button needs a refresh every X seconds option
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Space bar should pause.
- Jérôme Flipo
Like the FF beta : yes or no?
- Ahmed
I;d like to turn bubbles off on the RT feed. I need my ral0estate
- Keith Barrett
452 comments and no swear words or repeat spam messages. How is that bad?
- Phil G
When you do a new DM...it defaults to MyFeed...bad..very bad
- Bwana ☠
kevin, no, i meant go to work for them!
- Amyloo
yep
- Ricardo Liberato
seems almost too simple
- Zach Scott
Yes, a pause keyboard shortcut would be sweet
- Phil Maxwell
and fixed.
- Bwana ☠
keyboard shortcuts period
- Bwana ☠
I like the comments gray.
- Thomas Hawk
black comments are a big one for me. don't dig the lighter comments
- Karoli
Please, Kevin, ask for a "pause" keyboard shortcut!
- Jérôme Flipo
themes ftw
- Jay Neff
I agree, can you make them black? It's hard to tell I'm supposed to read this
- Colin
THEMES! Woooooo
- Phil G
Yes, nobody's made that request before, have they ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
spacebar pause ...should be simple to do right?
- Bwana ☠
I think holding down the mouse button should pause
- Pat Hawks
Phil, wiggling the mouse does pause it momentarily
- Karoli
Theming would be nice, the pastel blue usernames don't show up too well for me :(
- Viran
I'd pay $5 a month for access to CSS
- Andrew Smith
500 comments now.
- Marc Dong
Grey is perfect for me.
- Jérôme Flipo
I'd like my comments to be in a different color though to find them.
- Thomas Hawk
There are over 450 comments now. Is this a conversation anyone wants to follow, or is this evanescent like a chat room?
- Francine Hardaway
Themes FTW!
- Ahmed
I love the new UI, keep up the good work!
- Jay Neff
It will seem weird without gray comments but I could live with it.
- Mitch
whoa this is like a chat room when you get down to the individual feed item page, 10 comments posted before i could finish this
- sean percival
Somebody suggest Andrew Keen try the service.
- Ken Sheppardson
Search is EVERYTHING
- Ed Dale
Francine, it's great in real time, and searchable later
- Karoli
FF = social search of the future.
- Thomas Hawk
no one talked about Filters
- Bwana ☠
Karoli, but then I have to take my hands off the keyboard :)
- Phil Maxwell
:(
- Bwana ☠
very hard to scroll back to Comment link - need to be able to lock in on a realtime thread like this
- jcunwired
francine not like a chatroom -- it effectively is one
- Amyloo
It's probably a boring read, Francine, but perhaps a search goldmine.
- Phil G
custom themes would be nice
- Zach Scott
Bwana: Small steps :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Glad to see Leo likes it so much.
- Thomas Hawk
Cheese... moved....RAWR
- Bwana ☠
i'm about 500 comments late to this thread, but loving the new beta, on my mac & iphone. My new default on both platforms.
- Jeffrey Marsh
Francine: it's basically the TWiTLive impromptu chat
- iluvgimp
I'm doing a video tonight Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
Jeffrey how are you viewing it on the iPhone
- Karoli
most of the comments won't make sense not in real time
- Phil Maxwell
Was a good chat
- Simon Wicks
Is Léo looking at this thread right now?
- Jérôme Flipo
I was going to ask for themes.
- archaictree
beta interface works on iPhone
- Bwana ☠
jcunwired: you can, click this link: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Phil G
I hated the way it rendered on the iPhone
- Karoli
I ALWAYS used the feeeds in real-time--wish the filters were RT.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
will be fun to read while listening to the recording, though
- Amyloo
I do agree with Arrington: realtime FF is nice, but is it the game changer that Steve Gilmore's post implied? Not yet--at least not for most people.
- Albert Willis
"It's all about search"... indeed:-)
- Patrick Chanezon
this must look annoyingly awesome on the iphone, let's look.
- iluvgimp
I like that the comments are bubbling up on the front page too
- Kevin Marks
and you can search it!!!!
- Ed Dale
Hey, even Patrick is here. Woot!
- Jérôme Flipo
@Karoli just via the browser (saved it to homescreen)....granted i am on wi-fi, but even real-time seems to work great
- Jeffrey Marsh
top secret fuzzy logic
- Bwana ☠
it's about discovery as well as search, and the interesting space inbetween
- Kevin Marks
nice job guys
- Jay
good beta test of the realtime interface
- Bwana ☠
haha, tired of hearing about Scoble's car problem.
- Thomas Hawk
and it was useful
- Bwana ☠
Ok, i think i need to be part of this too!
- Damien Benoit
hello ... joining in! :)
- Garys Wine
Go for simplicity, FriendFeed
- Mitch
How long until filters are real time??
- Ken Sheppardson
Click hide, done, no more car problem
- Tony, Paradox of FF
I echo Ken's question
- Bwana ☠
the nice thing about friendfeed is that if you get tired of something bubbling you can just hide it.
- Thomas Hawk
Scoble's car brand should advertise on this thread :D
- Jérôme Flipo
Somebody ask paul when Filters will go real time?
- Ken Sheppardson
I also echo Ken's question
- Adnan
Thomas - It would be nice to "anchor" it down without completely hiding it though.
- Mitch
Albert Willis it is the gamechanger. It may take people time to figure it out, but Twitter took 3 years to jump the shark, so...
- Karoli
@Paul: when Filters will go real time?
- Jérôme Flipo
Chris, backward filters on home feed: exclude certain feeds from appearing on home feed
- Karoli
@Chris: maybe "make this filter your homepage" would do it.
- Jérôme Flipo
Pluggable algorithms for filtering/bubbling up would be interesting too.
- Patrick Chanezon
should latest post be up top? date and time added?
- Garys Wine
Holy update!
- Dave VanderWall
I got some kewl filters brewing
- Bwana ☠
would be nice to have some draggability to speed friend list making
- Amyloo
take any Hobby -feed all the best feeds into it - one stop shot
- Ed Dale
Agreed Amyloo
- Mitch
I never really visioned FriendFeed as a place for spontaneous chats before today.
- Thomas Hawk
holy crap.. looks good on the iphone.. a dedicated iphone app would be even better
- iluvgimp
Everybody should check out AJ Batac's theme at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Ken Sheppardson
great question.
- Bwana ☠
omg... real-time chat engine!
- AJ Batac
Thanks Steve
- Jérôme Flipo
Man I love filters
- Bwana ☠
before the service comes out of beta?
- Ken Sheppardson
sweet
- Ken Sheppardson
How would one deal with spam commenters in threads like these?
- Philipp Lenssen
glad they took their time on this; it's really nice
- Amyloo
Thanks Steve! :)
- Ahmed
hidden stuff should stay hidden in filters as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Filters FTW
- Ken Sheppardson
less than a month... and with full keyboard shortcuts!
- Jérôme Flipo
You need to promote it to your niches - Thomas to Photographer for example :-)
- Ed Dale
I like how a comment thread is also a topic oriented chat room that can be archived and linked to unlike traditional chat room conversations that disappear once you close them.
- Rolf Schewe
Philipp: Each person could eal with them individually: block
- Ken Sheppardson
darn, I zoned out. Stupid A.D.D.
- Bwana ☠
Exactly Rolf!!!
- Ed Dale
can this section be expanded in the beta? I liked the old view so I could see stuff I missed
- Scott Kingery
600 comments now.
- Marc Dong
Everybody can make their own judgement what's spam
- Ken Sheppardson
Rolf - Yeah this is a lot more IRC-feeling isn't it.
- Mitch
I've had this running as the lead items on my Flickr page all day. I'm trying to promote FF at Flickr and other photography related places as much as I can. Love seeing great photos on FF.
- Thomas Hawk
is direct message here a new thing, or just something i never noticed?
- Amyloo
this doesnt auto scroll on Mac/Firefox FYI ... i have to keep scrolling to catch up
- Garys Wine
nambuu
- Phil G
Track = "friends:kshep or term1 or term2 or term3 or" as a filter
- Ken Sheppardson
Spam is simple - dont follow everyone - follow people you know
- Ed Dale
it's new
- Bwana ☠
@Daniel Boehmisch I thought so, others may disagree, but I am going to give it a try over the next few days and see how smooth it runs...but I agree a dedicated app would probably be better
- Jeffrey Marsh
@Mitch DALnet2000 ;)
- Rolf Schewe
Watching this on post on Twit.tv while watching it on Friendfeed. Yo Dawg...
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
there's been very little spam in FF. When you do see it it's almost sort of fun.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, Ed, but in threads like this you see everybody. Not just the folks you're following.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ed, I was talking about specific comments in this thread, which show even when you're not following the person... and I didn't notice any block button when hovering over a name.
- Philipp Lenssen
All thats missing is a realtime list of whos all currently viewing this page.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
@Bwana are going to make a tutorial on how to use Filters???
- Ahmed
lol 16 new results on "Gillmor Gang" on Twitter since Kevin Fox posted it.... and 200 new comments here. We win.
- Bwana ☠
Twhirl client shipping tomorrow: looking foward to see what it does!
- Patrick Chanezon
I tell you what, next time I liveblog something, I'm just opening up a FF thread and going to town.
- Phil G
oh gotcha!
- Ed Dale
No, it's easier! (posting to FF compared to Twitter)
- Jérôme Flipo
Ahmed: yeah, producing the video tonight
- Bwana ☠
trouble with friendfeed clients is that they refresh when you like or comments which really disrupts friendfeed flow
- Ed Dale
Why can't you CC: to Facebook as well?
- iluvgimp
@Bwana thanks, can't wait to watch it...
- Ahmed
BWana: is your voice/natural language -> filters converter done yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Prototypes are being brainstormed
- Bwana ☠
Thomas, we had tried to experiment with Friendfeed for chat a year ago but the interface wasn't very fit for it then http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Philipp Lenssen
heading home to the wife and kids. thanks to all for the chat during the show. this was fun.
- Thomas Hawk
Sweeeeet
- Ken Sheppardson
heh
- Bwana ☠
have a great day Thomas!
- Ahmed
thanks thomas
- Ed Dale
see ya Thomas
- Bwana ☠
@ iluvgimp - Facebook has a Friendfeed addon which basically does the same result.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
See you, Thomas
- Jérôme Flipo
direct message methods twitter api http://apiwiki.twitter.com/REST+AP...
- Patrick Chanezon
Philipp, real time updating is a whole new experience. Later all.
- Thomas Hawk
You know, it really would've been better to have this as a room., rather than a thread in the main feed...
- Ken Sheppardson
let's try it, what's the syntax?
- Amyloo
chattin at http://live.twit.tv
- Garys Wine
Welcome Garys Wine
- Viran
oh no..almost 2:30 am over here..."Cairo, Egypt time" later guys!
- Ahmed
Actually no... direct message is a specific API call
- Brian Roy
Or just send a FF to a proxy "Twitter" user you set up for your own accounts on different services
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ahmed. 2:30 is also Paris time. Zzzzzz
- Jérôme Flipo
i love this ff！
- junrxu
hey Viran! :)
- Garys Wine
Learn the difference between Append and Prepend ?!
- Jay
hmph
- ralphsaunders
woah I just refreshed this permalink and now I don't have to scroll down to keep the bottom in view.
- Phil G
You can actually use these real time comments as you would watching a chat room. amazing.
- Leo Laporte
this realtime chat has done wonders to sell the new friendfeed layout
- jcunwired
Yes it is
- Bwana ☠
they are cool aren't they leo
- ralphsaunders
in firefox
- Phil G
thank God for the mighty mouse -- need to keep scrolling!!
- Garys Wine
This is the second longest thread on FriendFeed.
- Gary Burd
Phil, still nothing here.
- Philipp Lenssen
what's the longest gary?
- MG Siegler
Can this be saved or do you always have to modify the url? http://beta.friendfeed.com/FFusern...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Mightly mouse = fail
- ralphsaunders
the longest wine?
- Garys Wine
Could the beta.friendfeed.com makes the Digg homepage?
- Jérôme Flipo
Watching now, am coming in an hour late though.
- Brian Tiede
Gilmore - good show on TwiT.tv
- TJ Polczyn
Jérôme, we could try :)
- Philipp Lenssen
Scrolling to the top to comment everytme is ... annoying.
- ralphsaunders
Oops, I take that back. It's #3. You can see the long threads here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Gary Burd
I don't care for the ff.im links
- Phil Maxwell
@ralphsaunders ... mighty mouse is saving my life right now :)
- Garys Wine
ralphsaunders: click "Saturday", it's a permalink
- iluvgimp
i need to scroll down ... go figure
- Garys Wine
ralphsaunders: click on the timestamp ("Saturday") to go to the permalink http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Benjamin Golub
almost?
- Bwana ☠
EXACTLY as a chat room :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Whoops bad copy buffer! http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Benjamin Golub
They should hire some Google folks.
- Ken Sheppardson
And Twitter isn't? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Garys Wine Would be quicker with a conventional mouse heh heh :P
- ralphsaunders
you mean this isn't a chat room????
- Garys Wine
the permalink is the key
- Scott Kingery
permalinked, searchable
- Ken Sheppardson
"Will it Scale?" is the new "Will it Blend?"
- Trevor Childs
i wish i could text talk! lol
- Garys Wine
It's a message board really
- Adam Turetzky
pickup basketball game
- Amyloo
It's like a turtle..that eats a pigeon
- Bwana ☠
The interesting thing of the NEW FF is that it combine IM+Chat+Email+Feeds in one place and we have just started.
- Martin Añazco
except I dont like the comment box floating down down down
- Scott Kingery
The Swarm == The Hive Mind?
- iluvgimp
A linkable archived chatroom. How long it is archived I do not know.
- Rolf Schewe
its word tetris!
- jcunwired
the whole time i thought this was a "different" chat room LOL
- Garys Wine
well, it's behaving like a chatroom - it's lost the overlapping publics model of twitter
- Kevin Marks
Leo: You can have a thread like this for every show you do, in your TWiT FF room
- Ken Sheppardson
Sweet thanks Benjamin Golub
- ralphsaunders
Leo: to a large extent, this is the giant stream of everything you've been talking about RE XMPP
- Ken Sheppardson
Bwana - it's turtles all the way down.
- Phil G
I can't see!!
- Randy Archer
700 comments now.
- Marc Dong
dip in is a good strategy Leo!
- Garys Wine
BTW, it's an "editable" chat room. That's amazing too.
- Jérôme Flipo
Feudal or futile?
- Trevor Childs
KShep: ie, "The River"
- iluvgimp
@Ken I agree. Why use disposable chat sessions when you can link, search and archive them here?
- Rolf Schewe
Leo ... imagine what it would be like with twit on sunday :P
- ralphsaunders
@Jérôme Flipo ... oh yeh ..I just edited my post as a test, that's a good point!!
- Garys Wine
I love the Gillmor Gang
- Wo
I've managed to read everything, but could not parse the voice. will have to listen to recording
- Amyloo
Editable chat rooms ... the wave of the future!
- Garys Wine
I'm with Andrew Keen on this one. I find this all hard to understand, and therefore tiresome. So there. I want something simple and compelling
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
yes, we have the swarm/river/whatever... now we need to figure out how to give users the ability to manage scarce attention.
- Brian Roy
You can scan friendfeed but how do you scan a discussion thread such as this?
- Adnan
Jérôme, you're giving me an idea about animated ASCII art here :)
- Philipp Lenssen
will this thin thread just keep digging down until it hits china?
- clewellyn
Francine: It can be that if you want it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Should there be a preference option for the text to scroll down and put the new comments on top? Would be nice.
- iluvgimp
oooooooooooops - missed it
- Marc Canter
if i could call a number and speak the text into friendfeed, now that's an app!
- Garys Wine
let's go for a Guinness World Record ... let's never stop this chat/feed and keep it going forever ...
- Garys Wine
lol
- Jay Neff
How do you use the new beta RT feed in firefox sidebar?
- Keith Barrett
Netbook with WWAN as a FriendFeed appliance.
- Ken Sheppardson
These guys can be really Cranky Geeks...
- Charles Alden
iPhone app
- TJ Polczyn
A FriendFeed iPhone app or a robust web app that works well on the iPhone browser would be cool.
- Rolf Schewe
forever and ever and evaaaar
- ralphsaunders
should scroll with most recent posts on top
- min
Thanks Leo!
- Keith Barrett
how about a very long skinny tablet as ff device
- Amyloo
Dial 2 Do might be able to do that, I know you can blog via a phone call using that service
- Viran
*just put Steve Gillmor in a "cranky geeks" feed* :D
- ralphsaunders
Nice. Real-time mini window update!
- Rolf Schewe
I love this... but I want it in the sidebar :)
- Keith Barrett
Amyloo: only issue there is, like, typing
- Ken Sheppardson
Rolf: Opinions differ but I think the Facebook app shows how successful native apps really are
- iluvgimp
userstyles
- Bwana ☠
install Greasemonkey
- Bwana ☠
I requested that today in the Feedback Room
- Rolf Schewe
There already are "skins" e.g. http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Ken Sheppardson
curious if you can edit/delete comments
- monkeystick
What Ken said
- Bwana ☠
On the iPhone I can't see contending with all these different FF issues
- Francine Hardaway
Hey there Leo hows it going
- taxi_cab
it must be 666!
- Amyloo
I also wish I could search FF for twitter followers/followees to build my cloud
- Keith Barrett
How about making it <blink/> instead of dull grey?-)
- Patrick Chanezon
"Cleaner Friendfeed" is a *great* add-on. http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac...
- Ken Sheppardson
well, theres 1 alternate skin currently
- Tony, Paradox of FF
looks like comments just stay permanently
- monkeystick
click it
- Ken Sheppardson
yay
- Ken Sheppardson
I also use Andrios - so feel free!
- Keith Barrett
ah there we go, you can edit comments still
- monkeystick
I have abandoned trying to import things into Facebook and it's apps. Now I export from Facebook into FriendFeed.
- Rolf Schewe
No, it's embeded video that plays automatically, no?
- Ken Sheppardson
Okay, wind down the convo so I can go watch Big Bang Theory :)
- iluvgimp
Its a .GIF ... 1995 people :p
- ralphsaunders
That window issue sounds like it would be tough on the Android
- Keith Barrett
Shoot. I have to go to work yet. Is lunch over yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
im still using cleaner friendfeed V2 bc the beta cleaner doesnt look much better than the beta ui, aside from what V2 already does.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Perm chat rooms
- Keith Barrett
Fun stuff
- Ken Sheppardson
great show, good conversation. thanks and bye
- Amyloo
hmm im not seeing realtime feeds now
- Adam Hubbs
awesome sauce
- ralphsaunders
Good show leo
- ralphsaunders
yes latest jquery it seems <script src="/static/javascript/jquery-1.3.js?v=bb38" type="text/javascript"></script>
- Patrick Chanezon
Leo: You're going to need a dedicated FriendFeed monitor :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
GREAT SHOW!
- Keith Barrett
Lol!
- Garys Wine
Good Job LEO ... Thanks!
- Randy Archer
I tried the FF Facebook app. 1. It looks abandoned, and 2. I see Facebook as a subset of my overall social content and FriendFeed as my hub.
- Rolf Schewe
"774 more comments". That's huge.
- Jérôme Flipo
and i guess the real time stuff must be in http://beta.friendfeed.com/static...
- Patrick Chanezon
Great show, nice chat-stream too.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Matt Cutts and Paul were already talking OpenSocial at the demo last Friday
- Ken Sheppardson
hmm this is seriously like a chat.
- ralphsaunders
Very intertaning show!
- Adam Hubbs
Should've asked Paul if he wants to go back to Google.
- Ken Sheppardson
On bart now. Someone should submit this post to digg. There are enough people here to get it on the front page
- Thomas Hawk
Welcome back Thomas ;) I tried to post to digg using the new diggbar. Failed :(
- Jérôme Flipo
Thomas it was mentioned, will check it out
- jcunwired
Not chat - dialogue?
- Randy Archer
We had similar problems with the last Beta Friendfeed release, Digg says "This link does not appear to be a working link. Please check the URL and try again." Friendfeed might be sending the wrong http header for Digg.
- Philipp Lenssen
63283 chars of minified javascript: nice job Bret!
- Patrick Chanezon
digg submit didn't work, even with link from friendfeed.com (not beta)
- jcunwired
"Twitter is currently down for unscheduled maintenance". We did it, didn't we?
- Jérôme Flipo
:P probs
- ralphsaunders
still going??
- Garys Wine
So many commets, great!
- Tony
I am a Chinese student .I like the new Friendfeed.. 国内的来顶啊。。。
- ybs
keep it going people ... we're not stopping ... what happened to the record we all agreed on?? c'mon, who's with me???
- Garys Wine
FF最长的回复了吧
- 阿石
I think scoble was right, mike arrington isn't aware how quickly things roll in a revolution.
- Jan Zimak
Arrington - I am a fan of your honest point of view. (how's that for balancing out the negative?)
- clewellyn
Philipp (and others), Digg submission should be working now, so Digg in :)
- Paul Buchheit
sweet! thank you :)
- Jay Neff
Have watching twitlive.tv and watching lots of comments to this post scroll by but not seeing it on beta.friendfeed.com
- John Wood
this thread today was one of the most awesome things I've seen on FriendFeed yet.
- Thomas Hawk
still going?
- Garys Wine
继续顶，顶到1k
- 阿石
At over 800 comments in under 8 hours, this thread has sprouted 100 per hour. Not bad for the best system that no one uses.
- Micah Wittman
Mike Arrington is a stupid.
- Wo
Hey no one uses friendfeed, right? Where did 800+ comments come from?
- Robert Scoble
I'm certainly not using friendfeed. (It's using me.)
- Jon Lebkowsky
Robert - exactly!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul - Ok I just submitted this to Digg http://digg.com/softwar... Go Digg it up!!
- Susan Beebe
Well, this thread kind of proves that the FriendFeed model works. Fairly emphatically.
- Jamie
Jamie, yeah, I just listened to the parts that I missed. Arrington is wrong, but it will take some time to prove him so.
- Robert Scoble
Apparently I had an easier time finding this thread than Michael Arrington did.
- Michael K Pate
what's it?
- Do Young Min
Heheheh "loser" :-))
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LMAO!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Would a FriendFeed 'room' be analogous to a Facebook 'group'?
- Ladybug Heather
New design looks like frienfeed also. They're losers but less than %1 FB users know friendfeed, so who cares.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
mail2fb.com is empty !! : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
that is funny!!
- Susan Beebe
where the hell is "ability to search like Friendfeed"? in 2010? damn!!! :P
- Goktug Gedik
"like" on Facebook doesn't bump the entry to the top. Not quite the same thing. However, you do get notifications on FB items that you "like".
- Morton Fox
soooo true
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
great! "HO" rulez!
- Sinan Ata
It smells competitive (!) like Internet Explorer and Firefox. BTW I'm still using my operating systems default web browser.
- A. Kıvanç Tanrıkulu
Oh this is good. *tips hat*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Paul liked this at Facebook http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdogan
tesekkür ederim
- stefan m. seydel/sms ;-)
Now someone should do what they copied from Twitter.
- Corvida
You can hide now... I think search is the big one they're lacking.
- Frankie Warren
Where's the ability to not get hit with a slew of stupid, annoying invites / requests as soon as you login???
- Patrick Jordan
most of my friends are using facebook only, these two sites should merge closer
- classic
stefan: Do you like Turkish? I'm suggesting you a friend of mine, /directeur. ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
Ha! and here I am! 14 seconds after you called my name :)
- directeur
directeur: Did you write a greasemonkey script for your personal buzz? :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
:D No, not yet, should I? :) It was the first entry I saw and I read my name in it. Also, I have a very fun and smart idea for my next project (will tell you more on you know where :) ) Oh btw, how was Baku?
- directeur
directeur: Baku was great, we should visit there again. They have awesome meals, songs, people... I wrote a post in Turkish about Azerbaijan at webrazzi.com. Try to read. :-))
- Erhan Erdogan
I will try! Thanks! :) Oh, tell me btw, you didn't forgot to bring a nice gift to you know who? I hope you didn't forgot!! ;-)
- directeur
todo facabook MUAhuauUhauUauauUUauUAhU
- Jordi Rivero
directeur: I'll answer all of your questions at FB chat. :-))
- Erhan Erdogan
- The ability to undo actions like FriendFeed
- LouCypher
Whimsley: Online Monoculture and the End of the Niche - http://whimsley.typepad.com/whimsle...
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"But don't think this is just about automated recommender systems, like the ones that Amazon and Netflix use. The recommender "system" could be anything that tends to build on its own popularity, including word of mouth. A couple of weeks ago someone pointed me to this video of Madin, a six-year-old soccer prodigy from Algeria, and the next day my son, who moves in very different online circles to me, was watching the same one. I know who Jim Cramer is even though we don't get CNBC in Canada because everyone is talking about him and helping his disembodied head to shoot down Jon Stewart. More people watched Tina Fey being Sarah Palin online than on Saturday Night Live, and Fey is now famous in countries where no one watches the TV show. Clay Shirky writes an essay and I get five different links to it in my Google Reader feed in one morning. Our online experiences are heavily correlated, and we end up with monopoly populism."
- Jim Norris
from Bookmarklet
Is the root problem that recommender systems can't avoid "breathing their own fumes"?
- Private Sanjeev
Simulations that are not tested against real data are the problem here. This guy hasn't discovered experimental science yet.
- Antonio Piccolboni
I just found myself hovering my mouse over a user link expecting to see the FriendFeed popup. It took me like 10 seconds to realize I wasn't on FriendFeed, whoops!
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lol
- Flavio
Yeah, I'm getting the same way myself, these days.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
WTH were you doing off FriendFeed?
- Louis Gray
LOL
- Josh Haley
Smooth
- Noah
Eugh I'm doing that a lot recently
- Mo Kargas
What I've been finding myself doing is wanting to Like something on Facebook then realizing where I am.
- Jauder Ho
Jauder, you will soon be able to Like at Facebook, they are slowly copying all FF features! And that's been announced already (http://is.gd/gWMM).
- Flavio
Eh? Facebook is full of photocopied pages? ;)
- Tyson Key
The country's new robots.txt file - http://www.kottke.org/09...
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A robots.txt we can believe in!
- Thaths
from Bookmarklet
Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page - http://www.ycombinator.com/pagequo...
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FriendFeed Isn’t Dying, Although It’s a Nice Line - http://www.inquisitr.com/14164...
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+1 for filtering & API ;)
- dK
Silicon Valley vs France pros & cons (Version Francaise) - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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What's the recommended way to keep a directory of files in sync with S3?
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I.e., I want to mirror a directory on my servers over to S3, so I can serve them using CloudFront. Any pointers?
- DeWitt Clinton
I looked into a number of methods and never found something that I liked. I asked the Dropbox guys to let me use my own S3 bucket instead of requiring that I use theirs but got shot down.
- Benjamin Golub
How weird. I expected this to be one of the first things people would do.
- DeWitt Clinton
S3Fox says they do it, but I don't use it for synchronization, so I can't vouch for its quality. I wrote my own, it's not really a very hard project. http://www.rjonna.com/ext...
- Dave Winer
Thanks, Dave. I saw S3Fox, but it didn't quite support wanted as far as I could tell. I just want to take an existing domain (static.unto.net) and port it over to S3 and CloudFront. A simple rsync-like script to mirror that directory over to S3 should be all I need. I may have to follow your lead and write my own. (So much for 10 minutes.)
- DeWitt Clinton
I see, instead of having the files on a local hard drive, they're only accessible via HTTP. If so, S3Fox doesn't do it.
- Dave Winer
@Dave - no, they are available locally, but it's a headless machine -- no UI, command-line only.
- DeWitt Clinton
@Aviv - s3sync looks like a winner! Thanks much!
- DeWitt Clinton
Dewitt, in that case s3fox would work. Doesn't matter if its headless machine as long as you can access it over your LAN.
- Dave Winer
Hmm. I suppose I could use sshfs to mount the remote directory locally, but that seems a bit convoluted. What would be awesome would be a fuse filesystem interface to S3 itself -- then I could use mount the S3 store on my server and use standard rsync and rsnapshot tools against that.
- DeWitt Clinton
Now that's a good idea DeWitt! Do it at the filesystem level and a whole new world of opportunities open up.
- Benjamin Golub
There are several s3 fuse projects out there that work pretty well. See http://developer.amazonwebserv... for ideas
- Aviv
@Aviv - so I see now! Have you used any of them? Any thoughts on which works best? [Ahh, I see you added a link. Perfect!]
- DeWitt Clinton
I haven't tried any, but the most popular one seems to be http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/
- Aviv
Meh, just realized that box is running an old version of Fedora. Looking forward to the dependency dance.
- DeWitt Clinton
My worry with mounting S3 has been the file permissions stuff. Just haven't found a good explanation of how Unix file permissions map to S3 permissions.
- David Recordon
The 10 Laws of Cloudonomics - http://gigaom.com/2008...
Ricky Engelberg, jcunwired, Stu Andrews and 19 other people liked this
you seem to be some kind of cloud-computing in humanized form, multi-tasking, non-sleeping, re-evaluating demo sites, reading and recommending...nice!
- Gaby K. Slezák
Number eight - latency is interesting because applications with extreme latency sensitivity are one of the things that may stay out of the cloud as they need to be physically near their consumers. IT vendors (the ones that don't decide to compete in the cloud market) are going to have to get used to a world where the big clients are all extremophiles.
- mattpovey
Gaby, thankfully we do not have to pay Scoble by the GB!
- Rob Diana
Matt, I believe some cloud vendors are looking into multiple cloud locations. Meaning, you could have as US cloud, a Europe cloud, an East Asia cloud etc. I could not find the article that talked about it, but I thought I remembered one.
- Rob Diana
Rob. Yeah, you're right - one issue is going to be the question of trans-national privacy and data retention laws. People in Britain would be very wary of having their data shipped to the US for example (if it was even legal). There will still be a need for systems that are sited literally next to their 'users'. Applications such as algorithmic trading in FSI is an example. That said, that is an example of an application that might see 'niche' cloud players emerge for some applications.
- mattpovey
Simple Update Protocol: Fetch updates from feeds faster - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
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"For example, if a site such as FriendFeed switched from polling feeds every 30 minutes to polling every 300 minutes (5 hours), and also monitored the appropriate SUP feed every 3 minutes, the total amount of feed polling would be reduced by about 90%, and new updates would typically appear 10 times as fast."
- Paul Buchheit
That's a very interesting idea! I think that for the case of push-generated feeds it will show nice improvements over the current polling approach (which is definitely not scalable). I am wondering if there would be a way to employ the same idea for poll-generated feeds (feeds that are retrieved on request only) though.
- Alex Popescu
That's correct Alex. SUP works very well for most common feeds, but it's not ideal for more dynamic feeds such as a search (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/search... ). However, the vast majority of the feeds consumed by FriendFeed and others map into the SUP model very easily. SUP does not solve all problems, but it provides a very simple solution that should work for 90% of feed publishers.
- Paul Buchheit
I like the name "SUP"...
- Clare Dibble
Isn't this somehow similar to the conditional GET? I might be wrong though as at this hour my head might not be fully functional :).
- Alex Popescu
sup? ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah...Sup?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Alex, a conditional GET applies only to a single URL. SUP allows feed consumers to simultaneously monitor many thousands of feeds with a single GET.
- Paul Buchheit
I've told you I might not be fully functional :-). You're right SUP is a container for updated feeds. Should I post any other questions directly to the room?
- Alex Popescu
Paul this SUP technology is HOT!! I am totally awed by this disruptive innovative idea.... very impressive and incredibly brilliant!! wow!!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Susan!
- Paul Buchheit
Your welcome Paul, you guys inspire the heck out me...American techie dream in real time...neat!
- Susan Beebe
my flickr upload appeared much faster just now... are you guys using XMPP for flickr?
- Travis Parsons
and written in .py :)- but if we throttle "generate_sup_update(db, 120)" and "SUP feed: {"since_time": "2008-08-12T01:44:49Z", "period": 120," [[..|..]]" , so if we take "120" and make it lets say "30", wont this make the load even more to both sides ?
- Peter Dawson
Peter said throttle.
- Russellreno
It's nice to see FF innovating things... its what I miss about livejournal back when it was just danga interactive.
- Dave Dash
just curious, how to read SUP? pronounce sap or soup or syoop?
- huixing
'sup, like the shortened version of "what's up?"
- Tudor Bosman
So, where's the "omg it's not XML you idiots" backlash?
- ⓞnor
Atom streams look more effective performance-wise and just a little bit harder to implement on both sides. See SixApart's: http://updates.sixapart.com/
- Alex Kapranoff
More than a little bit harder! Dealing with never-ending XML streams is a massive pain (see: XMPP), and keeping connections open is trouble. Also, the sixapart updates stream is a firehose that gives you all of the content being posted, you have no opportunity to filter out only those feeds you care about. The FF design is pretty much totally more awesome.
- ⓞnor
work with feedburner to give you a ping every time one of the feeds changes and you can replace 5h with 'whenever it occurs' ;)
- Nicole Simon
I can't wait for a DUDE or YO companion protocol.
- abacab
Nice idea, one thing to include would be the information if a resource (feed) has been deleted, whereby one can build a mirroring system over RSS.
- Christian Sonntag
Christian: no need; "deleted" is a special case of "updated". If a feed is listed as modified in SUP, the feed consumer will try to refetch the feed, and notice that it no longer exists.
- Tudor Bosman
Glam Media announces new OpenSocial developer platform - http://opensocialapis.blogspot.com/2008...
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