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A link to an interesting profile of Amy Amdur (Port Clinton, etc.) featured in Crain's Chicago Business. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin... a well rounded view of the art fair business from many points of view. Pointed to this article by artfairinsiders.com. Thanks Connie!
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Great article - thanks for sharing!
- Matt Suess
I've heard good things about Amy Amdur's shows. So far I've only done shows on the East Coast so haven't had a chance to see any of her shows in person
- Patty Hankins
Top 10 Tips for Getting Attention on Flickr, All Fresh and New for 2008 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Good article. I guess you've got to work smart to get noticed on Flickr.
- Adam Christie
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks for digging my article Aaron! :) http://digg.com/arts_cu...
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here's another good summary of nearly everything the community knows about the Explore algorithm: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
such a great post Thomas, thanks for writing it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Good stuff. Worked for me: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Demetri Mouratis
How to Tell if Your Cat is Plotting to Kill You - http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill...
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You don't really ever have to wonder. The answer is always yes.
- ThePicMan
LIghtroom PResets: The Ultimate Free Lightroom Preset List - http://www.prophotoshow.net/blog...
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How to Tell if Your Cat is Plotting to Kill You - http://tumblelog.michaelhocter.com/post...
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I guess I'm in trouble - I've got four cats - and between them - they're doing all these things :)
- Patty Hankins
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Now let me do the maths... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
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FAIL!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
heh, nice one. its even worse when you see companies want people with x number of years experience with some os or software, when said product have only been on the market x-1 or maybe as much as x-5...
- turn.self.off
Beyond that... you really need a waitress with 20 years' experience? My intent is not to denigrate waiting tables but really... 20 years experience? This isn't astrophysics
- Shawn Duffy
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That's how long it takes to "graduate from waitress school".(former diner waitresses will know what I am talking about)
- April Russo (app103)
April, for those who have never worked in a diner, could you explain?
- Ontario Emperor
Every diner has their old hags that act like they have a PhD in waitressing, bossing around the younger ones, even those that might have more experience and do their job much better than them. They aren't qualified for any other job and have made a career of waitressing. These are the ones nobody else wants to work with. Grouchy Grandmas that raised their kids on welfare, while working under the table. The only people that like them are cops, because they go out of their way to give them good service.
- April Russo (app103)
these guys must also work for circuit city - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- mjc
With requirements like that, no wonder it's so hard to find a job these days!
- Becca
How I Use Twitter at Volume - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/how-i-u...
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great post! Some helpful ideas that I'm going t try out I the am.
- Nelson de Witt
The US braces for next crisis: Credit cards - http://www.domain-b.com/finance...
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"Reports indicate that a substantial portion of of the 158 million US card holders using 1.5 billion cards have started defaulting and banks had to write of approx $21 billion in bad credit loans in the first six months of this year and expect a further loss of $55 billion in the next 12 months. The mortgage crisis has been the focus of the US public, media and the government alike that no one noticed or too tired to view the oncoming of the next shockwave – credit cards, as the lethal combination of mortgage losses and now the surge in credit card defaults has the potential to bring the entire US economy to its knees."
- Thomas Hawk
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Citibank warned this morning about upcoming credit card losses.
- Thomas Hawk
One crisis at a time please!
- Jim Turner
This is one everyone should have seen coming. I've been railing against the credit card industry's targeting of those least able to pay with amazingly high rates -- 30% in some cases! The combination of fees and usury interest more or less guarantees cards to be the next big fail of the economy.
- Karoli
The things I worry about in the financial markets the most right now that may not be factored into current financial markets and prices. 1. massive credit card default by consumers coming next. 2. LBO /private equity reneging on large bank loans due to deals and valuations during the last few years. 3. More tightening by the consumer than people realize is taking place. 4. Unemployment continues to come in worse than expected.
- Thomas Hawk
This is taking "multi-tasking" to a whole new level! How many economic meltdowns can the next US president juggle at any given time?!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
the market's looking to Friday's non-farm payroll number to come in at about 200,000 jobs lost in the past month. This will be the 10th consecutive month of job losses in the U.S. economy. I fear that with all of the anecdotal evidence that job losses may be much worse for last month and get even worse going forward.
- Thomas Hawk
to make matters worse long term mortgage rates are not coming down at all. Jumbo 30 year mortgages are still around 7.5 - 8% which is going to continue to put pressure on the housing market. This makes it very difficult for people to afford mortgages and makes current homeowners refinancing very unlikely.
- Thomas Hawk
whoever is next US president - he will get nice pedigree of results after Bush elected by national redneck union ....
- A.T.
If I had to default on a mortgage or a credit card, it would be the credit card every time.
- Ian May
Consumer credit has been unsteady for years but refinancing has made the market seem stable. The CDS market is next.
- Steven Cains
So I don't default on my mortgage, I'm paying it with my credit card!
- Ace
Anyway, it was a moot point. I have no credit cards any longer. I paid them up, and cut them up a few years ago. Now, I save up for things instead. I have to wait longer, but it's one less thing to worry about. When I get something new in the house, I know it's mine, all mine!
- Ian May
Ian, there's nothing wrong with having a credit card provided it's used responsibly. Using it instead of cash and paying it off every month means you can earn interest on your money longer, not to mention cash back and/or rewards programs...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
+1 Tina
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I don't carry a revolving credit card balance either.
- Morton Fox
actually u know there is nobody care the credit calls bill in usa
- Aykut Karaalioğlu
People have been warning about this for years.
- mikepk
I got an offer just yesterday from Bank of America for 0% interest and deferred payments, pre-approved for over $10K. Ridiculous! And we wonder why we're in this mess as a country...
- Raoul Pop
I will never understand the American Financial mien to borrow, borrow, borrow. The credit card companies are as much as to blame for this as the creditholders who go willie-nillie on Fifth Avenue and Main Street. Even the word "credit" has a negative connotation attached, like buttlicker, and "bowling ball"
- Terence
ROFL, Terence.
- Alex Scoble
@Terrence: the US economy is predicated on borrowing and debt. so much easier to 'grow' the economy, eh? been happening since the 80s. been gettin' harder, but was still working until lately. not sure if we'll actually have to *change* that mindset, tho. pretty sure most citizens are hoping the new Prez will come up w/ a way to keep on spendin' w/o payin' [grin].
- MikeAmundsen
@Raoul, I swear I get more than one offer for a new CC or low interest cash advance offers from existing CC every day. I think I got the same offer from BofA recently. It is amazing how willing the banks are to get people into debt. The scary thing is if you look at the offers, the default rates on these accounts are 24% are higher. I think the CC companies want us to default so they can make more $$$.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff nailed it!! I have zero cc debt; only mortgage and car payments, which I just refinanced
- Susan Beebe
Sadly this is not surprising. We have nearly 1 *Trillion* in revolving consumer debt in the US. It's a bit of a ponzi scheme in my opinion and the housing crisis and general economy is finally hastening this domino and the end of instant gratification.
- AJ Kohn
What's Wrong with Being Atheist Anyway? - http://geniusofinsanityworld.b...
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Due To Time Restrictions: Lego Pirate :)
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Yay, John! Arrrrrrrrr!
- Ladybug Heather
WIN!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You win!
- Bob Gannon
very awesome.
- Anika
totally awesome outfit!
- Susan Beebe
Awesome!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Totally awesome. You win. Haha.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
ROFL!
- Carlos Ayala
Nice!
- David Cook
Lifestreaming 101: Put All Your Content in One Place with Google Reader - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
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" Happy Halloween Im Your Investment Statement "
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scary indeed
- Imabug
Seven Must-Have Offline Apps For Your iPhone/iPod Touch - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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I have yet to add a single app to my iPhone. Need to check these out.
- Hutch Carpenter
Not a single app? Did you just get it a few minutes ago? :)
- Sarah Perez
Ha! No, I'm still fundamentally a mobile luddite. I need to inch my way out of the immobile cave I live in...
- Hutch Carpenter
I think I'm up to 7 pages of icons now. Each page isn't full, but still.
- Phil G
this is a great list of apps. anyone find a good one for showing powerpoint decks?
- Campaign08
Great list. MiGhtyDocs was new to me and looks like it might be really useful. Instapaper and Evernote is also on my personal "best-of" list (http://www.di-bella.de/index...). Concerning the RSS Reader, my favorite is NetNewsWire. A great offline reader, which syncs with the web and your desktop App as soon as you're back online. There...
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- Ingo Di Bella
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iPhone finally gets free WiFi access at AT&T hotspots - http://www.jkontherun.com/2008...
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Disasters Around The World - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226...
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;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I can't quit coming back to this. Too funny.
- Valley
How to Grow Your Twitter Following (Even if You're Not a Marketer) - http://www.searchengineguide.com/karri-f...
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Those WERE the droids I was looking for - http://americancopywriter.typepad.com/photos...
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Awesome.
- Neal Jansons
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EPIC
- Josh Haley
Love it!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
The first Death Star could have been saved...so many lives lost...
- Josh Haley
StormTrooper McCain Tries To Exits The Stage On The Wrong Side on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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This is how much effort went into this. I searched for about 2 hours with my 2 year old daughter through all the toy stores in our local shopping centre finding the exact LEGO kit I was after that had both there troopers. I got my enitre studio kit, tripod and Nikon D80 out. I went to www.funwithMcCain.com and printed out the background. Set it all up and did some post-processing in Lightroom... Was it all worth it? Hell Ya! :)
- Johnny Worthington
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The hardest thing really was to get McCain to stay standing all bent over...
- Johnny Worthington
HA HA HA HA HA HA! John Worthington: Commitment you can count on!
- Josh Haley
He needs a tiny tongue to stick out.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Jack, I worked on that for about 20 mins but couldn't get anything I liked... :)
- Johnny Worthington
LOL! This is awesome.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
ftw!!
- imabonehead
Epic win!
- Mo Kargas
You are a maverick sir!
- Mark Wilson
ha ha ha . . . The attention to detail, awesome
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Lindsey, the number of shots it took to get it right would scare you...
- Johnny Worthington
You, sir, deserve to be president of the WORLD.
- Andrew Trinh
I'm just impressed he used the appropriate "color" lego men
- Lindsey is Fierce!
bump for win
- Josh Haley
full of win
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
You're killing me with these vignettes! ROFL
- Anika
I just noticed that YOU did this John. Awesome^20!
- Internet's Tad
Very funny! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If only McCain trooper had a tongue!
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay... I tried, I might do a redux tomorrow :)
- Johnny Worthington
the noise he was making (in my head when i look at the original picture) is "BLEEEEH!"
- Veronica
Veronica... in my head he's saying 'pudding'
- Johnny Worthington
He's looking for Mr Puddles!
- Internet's Tad
John, respect man! Fantastic :)
- Kamath (नमः)
I can't even describe the levels of win this entails.
- Pete Delucchi
I have no idea how I missed this on Sunday. But I'm glad I'm here now, sir, to tell you that this is every freaking shade of awesome under the sun. Yes.
- ♥patricia♥
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How cool would it be if the debates were done Iron Chef (original) style... Today's theme topic... ECONOMY!
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Man alive!
- Johnny Worthington
"Senator Biden, can you please outline your Middle East policy".. "If memory serves me right..."
- Johnny Worthington
Great idea.
- Mike Reynolds
Obama's Plan Overwhelmingly Supported By Economists - http://www.economist.com/world...
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Haunted Houses
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Oh that's so painfully true!
- Raoul Pop
Be careful of photo contests - read the fine print! > Parent Media Group » - http://cameradojo.com/2008...
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"There are two types of business people in the world that I can say I have complete and total hatred of. These are patent trolls and copyright trolls"
- Kol Tregaskes
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New DSLR: Canon EOS 5D Mark II - http://www.raoulpop.com/2008...
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New Yorker Cover Mocks Palin's Foreign Policy Experience - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008...
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Blogs: Steve Greenberg's Cartoons / Ventura County Star - http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/greenbe...
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Social Media Tools Are Like Phones - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/social-...
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Chris - Great post! The last part rang true: stop saying “join the conversation.” This applies also to speaking with clients, clients who may not know how to pick up the phone. You can’t say “join the conversation” or “pick up the phone” if they don’t know how. I keep these concepts like “conversation,” “participation” and “engaging with the customer” to a minumum when talking to...
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- Kate Brodock
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