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If this is the case, then why does US congress fund these two organizations which participate in violence against civilians?
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This suggests that she is in regular contact with those who do advocate violence against Han civilians, while she speaks out against it.
Life without men? NOOOOOOOO! - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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"Scientists claim to have grown human sperm in a lab, and columnists and bloggers are musing on the possibility of a world where men are no longer needed."
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We *are* a dying breed: http://www.npr.org/templat...
- /Users/genieyclo
Some of you might get on women's nerves sometimes, but a world full of nothing but other women sounds like hell to me (no offense to the cool ladies of FF). I work in that hell right now. I wouldn't be saying that if I could trade all those chicks with FF chicks. I could actually, like, converse and stuff at work.
- Kamilah Gill
Rebiya says that she does not advocate violence. But she told her relatives in #urumqi not to go out before violence broke out.
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I find this definition of Real Time Search to be linked to microblogging sites to be extremely narrow and unambitious. I'm just not that interested in searches of 140 character records of people's cheeseburger or dorito eating status. I'm interested in discovering, in real time, any information, published on a publicly accessible URL, regardless of whether it's a blog, a microblog, a...
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- Ray Cromwell
Five reasons why Google's new Chrome operating system is a bad idea. - By Farhad Manjoo - Slate Magazine - http://www.slate.com/id...
Op-Ed Columnist - The Stimulus Trap - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Does Social Networking Breed Social Division? - Gadgetwise Blog - NYTimes.com - http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
Is the entropy of Earth increasing or decreasing?
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Where do you draw the Gaussian surface?
- Kevin Fox
Since when does entropy have the option of decreasing, especially on a system as large as a planet?
- Mitch
Mitch, entropy can decrease in open systems.
- Gary Burd
Kevin, let's assume that Earth includes all of the satellites orbiting the Earth.
- Gary Burd
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"Today, this serene confidence has long gone. Americans are more pessimistic than the Indians or Chinese, worried that their children will not enjoy the opportunities that they have taken for granted. Xenophobia is on the rise, as is nostalgia for a time of stable families and solid values. California, the state that has always reached the future first, is preparing to pay its bills with IOUs. America has had an inauspicious start to the 21st century, to put it mildly."
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@jennita ideas are often easy. Carrying ideas to completion--much harder. :)
Why Chrome OS Now? Because Microsoft Office In The Cloud Comes Monday. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
http://www.rssmeme.com/story... Shared 78 times. Tagged Company & Product Profiles (18019) Google (5075) google chrome os (807) google-docs (450) microsoft (1980) Microsoft Office (165) . The timing of Google’s announcement of Chrome OS was curious. I don’t mean the fact that Google moved up the post on it by a day when some details leaked out, I mean the fact that they were announcing it on some seemingly random date in July, well before anything is actually ready to show off. Now, we likely know why. On Monday, Microsoft is set to unveil its plans to counter the attack Google previously had launched on it with Google Docs. Yes, Microsoft Office is going to the cloud. This is something which we all knew was eventually coming, and there is already some limited functionality, but the full details will pour out Monday at Microsoft’s Worldwide Partner Conference in New Orleans. You can expect the new version of...
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@godhammer maybe tomorrow you could come over and read it to me again? :)
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Facebook? Up 10%. Twitter? Up 16%. FriendFeed? Flat - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Has Rebiya issued statement condemning killings of both Han and Uighur civilians? #urumqi
The War on Mediocrity - Lines of the Day - http://colinmarshall.livejournal.com/333203...
Life is all about relationships. By all means sit cross-legged on top of a mountain occasionally. But don't do it for very long.
- Ben Casnocha
The Happiness Project: Nine Tips for Giving Memorable Praise--and Why To Bother. - http://www.happiness-project.com/happine...
6. Don’t hesitate to praise people who get a lot of praise already. I’ve noticed this myself; even people who get constant praise – or perhaps especially people who get constant praise – crave praise. Is this because praiseworthy people are often insecure? Or does getting praise lead to a need for more praise? I’m not sure, but it seems often to be the case. 7. Praise people behind their backs. The praised person usually hears about the praise, and behind-the-back praise seems more sincere than face-to-face praise. 8. Beware when a person asks for your honest opinion. This is often a clue that they're seeking reassurance, not candor
- Ben Casnocha
The Death of Macho - By Reihan Salam | Foreign Policy - http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...
Manly men have been running the world forever. But the Great Recession is changing all that, and it will alter the course of history.
- Ben Casnocha
Anatomy Of An Entrepreneur May Not Be What You Think - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ - http://blogs.wsj.com/venture...
More than 95% of entrepreneurs surveyed in the study had earned bachelor’s degrees, and 47% had more advanced degrees. Besides being well-educated, the median age of company founders in this sample when they started their companies was 40 years old, while the majority were married (69.9%) with at least one child (59.7%) as start-up founders.
- Ben Casnocha
Study Hacks » Blog Archive » Grit, Grinds, and Living the Low Stress Life - http://calnewport.com/blog...
maintain a small number of things that you return to, and do hard work on, again and again, over a long period of time. Choose things that actually interest you, but don’t obsesses over choosing the perfect things — as perfect goals, like perfect majors, probably don’t exist. Keep this hard work quarantined to a reasonable number of focused hours each day, and harness the rest of the time to recharge, relax, and, in general, enjoy life. Or, to put it in a more familar wording: Do Less. Do Better. Know Why.
- Ben Casnocha
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Contains 47 hours of never before seen abs.
- Geoff Schultz
Place Your Bets: Will an NFL Player Tweet from the End Zone? - http://mashable.com/2009...
one of this paid "ghost" writers could :)
- Sriks7
Yes and it will probably be Chad Johnson.
- Adam Martin
Facebook? Up 10%. Twitter? Up 16%. FriendFeed? Flat - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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My analysis of where FriendFeed has gone wrong. Keep in mind that FriendFeed is growing faster than many blogs are, and is outpacing TechMeme, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
FF needs Shaq.
- mtlb
yup, they need celebrities. bring them oprah!
- Alex
FF is an incubator for Facebook
- Peter Warnock
Someone said they can't believe FriendFeed isn't gaining momentum. It is, but not at the same rate Facebook and Twitter are.
- Robert Scoble
friendfeed is not so easy for most people to "use" or view, I think twitter is the easiest, facebook is good for people who like it.. I 'use" friendfeed to post things that go to twitter and facebook but I do not come here a lot to read posts. After reading a page of posts and comments I have had enough, it is like reading 15+ blogs with comments, a little too bulky?
- David Gross
I don't think FriendFeed can compete with Facebook. I don't think it should, they're different tools.
- Glenn Slaven
8-10% of ALL techmeme posts are from TechCrunch why such a high rate?
- Benjamin Taylor
Why compare? I like FF for what it is. I don't want it to be in the same convo as Twitter and FB. It has nicely defined user base, a distinct design and functionality and has 2 great uses: conversation and self-aggregation
- Dave Ferrick
"The search industry has a dirty secret: 99% of people don’t click on advanced search, yet FriendFeed requires you to click on that button to use it in any useful way." You're right, but I find it interesting that FriendFeed's advanced search is the only advanced search I use. Maybe FriendFeed is a tool for the more advanced social networkers? Maybe it's not for everyone.
- Kevin Gamble
FF needs SMS before it gets Shaq
- Jesse Stay
I think FF is hesitant to make it a full-blown Twitter client because that would import all the spam.
- Peter Warnock
In terms of FriendFeed it's a fantastic tool for setting up a "lifestream" feed to your blog. really simple way to own your social media without plugins
- Benjamin Taylor
do they have an iPhone app ? are they "mobile" ?
- Alex
Robert, FriendFeed will catch on...in 2010
- Benjamin Taylor
Compete can't measure everything. For example, they think fftogo.com had 320 visits last month.
- Bruce Lewis
They can just make a really good FriendFeed client. What we are doing right now is the hidden power of FriendFeed. Allowing people to continue the conversation beyond the original post.
- Dave Mora
@Jesse Isn't twitter the SMS input?
- Peter Warnock
I find this a hilarious slap in the face for you Scoble, but honestly, FriendFeed does not have the simplicity of Twitter to be quite honest, and I have a much higher chance of using Twitter with a third party app than this. Still, it's all about if you're friends or people you want to watch are on here, and for me, they aren't,
- Chris
Seconding alex's question. I would use a FF iPhone app in a heartbeat
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
I mainly use friendfeed to post to it for people who like to read (bookmarklet and other stuff) and so friendfeed can post to twitter and facebook. I would like if it posted to myspace too :o)
- David Gross
Dave has a great point, it's FF provides a deeper layer of the conversation
- Benjamin Taylor
Robert, the list is backwards... it should be API, Mobile, monetization, etc..
- Alberto Saavedra
I can believe it. For the average joe twitter is easy and straightforward to get started. FF, not so much. You have a lot of credentials to input for your various services and the UI is like a corn maze even to some of my more techie friends. Also, having an established crowed never hurt. I appreciate FF and really see it's power, but most people do not and aren't willing to learn.
- John Reynolds
They need SMS before an iPhone app - most of the nation still does not have internet on their cell phone
- Jesse Stay
Alberto: it's 4 a.m. here in London and the list is in no particular order, just straight off the top of my head.
- Robert Scoble
friendfeed is NOT mobile unless you are on an iphone..
- David Gross
FF tripped these past two months because of a lack of iphone apps, lack of a good SUL, lack of a good intro for new members, lack of comments happening for new members. While FF has moved forward on some fronts - they still need better integration into blogs then we'll see a better uptake.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
John, exactly! The only thing I truly use this for is the occasional conversation bit and tying last.fm to my Twitter account.
- Chris
SMS can't be the answer right away, particularly when the major value add for FF is in the threaded conversation.
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
David, even on an iphone, FF trips
- LPH™ and his dog P™
jesse: SMS=money. plus, how effective do you think FF could be via sms?
- John Reynolds
Tristan - FriendFeed will never go to the masses if they don't have SMS support
- Jesse Stay
even if we forget the thought of monetization - my idea about creating a whitelabel ff to replace forums would drastically increase the usage and the understanding of the service - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - ff has to get out from under the early adopter rock - without going down the exact same path as twitter - my suggestion does exactly that.
- Allen Stern
@LPH o rly? so it is not so easy to make it mobile..
- David Gross
John, as effective as Twitter. Most remote people can't access it via the internet, but they can via SMS. Twitter is making SMS work - FriendFeed can as well.
- Jesse Stay
I agree Jesse, but what does that product look like? How does one keep up with the 'conversation' and stay relevant
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
Tristan, the same way they're doing the IM link above
- Jesse Stay
i disagree with the sms talk - all it would do is help the current users use it more - that's worthless for ff now - sorry jesse don't hate me :)
- Allen Stern
sms would not work, even email does not work and I get that on my phone.. there is too much of it..
- David Gross
Allen, I think it would get new users. Many users use Twitter mostly through SMS - it's what made Twitter appealing for me. It's why I used Twitter in South Dakota and Minnesota and Wyoming and not FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
SMS is not the future people. The future lies in ubiquitous data connectivity from all mobile devices with a growing amount of the market shifting towards more flexible touch screen interfaces and the iphone the leader of that market, the iphone is a perfect platform to put focus.
- John Reynolds
I like what Posterous is doing in terms of post methods
- Benjamin Taylor
Twitter hit a major booster rocket with the Hudson and iran and prop 8 - coupled with CNN shitting the bed. Now that dictators know about twitter, they're derailing it ahead of incursions. We've not heard thing 1 out of china on the uiger uprising. Never tracked. Ff should fill that gap. We need to strat crawling the boards for blow by blow uigerstan massacre stories. Boom, ff is the bees knees
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
It's just not inviting. A fraction too complicated. I signed up but really haven't used it since but I'm active on twitter because it's simple and I can do it with 1% of my brain. FF doesn't give me that and yet I know why it is technically a 'better' more advanced system than Twitter
- philhenley
I have to clean up my gmail before I go mobile because on my phone this conversation will be multiple messages even though in gmail it is one conversation lol
- David Gross
jesse - as robert noted - most people using twitter have no reason to be on ff - my sister is one of them - she has no need to aggregate a bunch of services - so sms won't "move" or "add" new users from twitter. my discussion board idea would.
- Allen Stern
The current FriendFeed audience is anti-SMS though. You guys will never be for it, but mark my words - the audience FriendFeed does want that will bring in the masses will come when they enable SMS
- Jesse Stay
David - the iphone apps are not quite good enough and the mobile interface on the iphone is worthless if the subscriptions are too high.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Allen, FriendFeed needs a simpler layer, and I think SMS is part of that. People don't have to use the whole thing, or even know it exists. They need a simple way to post statuses from anywhere they belong. So long as we're comparing them to Twitter, they have to do what Twitter does. Otherwise, why are we comparing them to Twitter at all?
- Jesse Stay
allen, I am on twitter and I love FF, I read blogs in google reader and any blog I share is posted to twitter through ff, I can favorite a youtube video from their mobile site and it is also posted on twitter through ff
- David Gross
Frankly, Jesse, the last thing I want is my phone beeping at me 100 times a minute. Do you realize how many SMS messages you would get from just THIS entry?
- Tommy Keene
Jesse I'm a big big fan of SMS..I use it for Twitter all the time...but I could not imagine using SMS for a conversation like this. Sms does the job when it comes to status updates and notifications. No brainer
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
In terms of the gains at twitter and Facebook, flat isn't bad. Although a few percentage points would have been nice.
- Michael Fidler
and actually, just making those links on the right anything but bog standard would really help FF look less like a beta product. It always feels to me like it's half finished
- philhenley
Tommy, that's what preferences and options are for
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed missed the 'boom' that Iran and MJ brought to twitter and FB. The only rason I can think of it, it was easier for people to join convos about those topics in twitter and fb than 'find' them in friendfeed. FF is still growing so nothing to be worried about. it will grow in its own pace as it has been doing.
- Freddie Benjamin
jesse - come to nyc - we will go to times square and ask how many people use sms or want to signup for ff to handle their sms and aggregate all their social services - you can even wear your social median shirt!
- Allen Stern
Tommy, and frankly, the power of Twitter SMS aren't the status updates I receive - it's the ability to post SMS updates
- Jesse Stay
My bad Robert, thought the numbers were priority. Jesse, unfortunately FriendFeed currently is perceived as a web app while twitter is kind of device agnostic
- Alberto Saavedra
I don't want to micro-manage my 100s of subscriptions
- Tommy Keene
I think Twitter and FriendFeed should just join forces and create a super social site: Fritter!
- Shawn Hickman
Allen, only if you come to South Dakota and Wyoming and Minnesota with me to ask the same questions
- Jesse Stay
Comment Control.. Cleaner interface (I never liked the redesign) ... and Media coverage :)
- Tim Hoeck
Alberto, and that is unfortunate - it's why, so long as we're comparing it to Twitter, it will never have the numbers Twitter has
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, so then post to twitter. And it gets put into your ff automatically. What's the problem?
- Tommy Keene
jesse: ill mark your words, but i think they are wrong. the audience they want now, is anyone who will come. twitter is already going to get those people due to its popularity and simplicity. In a few years the majority of the audience will have moved to smart phones with broadband connections and advanced touch UI's. There needs to be an iphone app. NOW.
- John Reynolds
Tommy, the problem is Twitter still gets that traffic
- Jesse Stay
as I watch this thread I wonder.. why can't I "pop-out" a thread and watch it, like a chat room.. hard to follow a conversation..
- Tim Hoeck
tim - if you click on the time, you get a dedicated page - but i agree with you - a "control center" would be nice
- Allen Stern
how about a mobile website before you make iphone app? is it so hard to make Like and Comment links that work in Opera Mobile or IE Mobile?
- David Gross
Can anyone imagine trying to take part in this conversation effectively via SMS? I can't. This much data needs a well designed UI and smart, easy to use filtering and notification tools.
- John Reynolds
It was SMS that enabled me to be the first report on the GreenPeace protest at Mount Rushmore - there was no internet there. It is those interesting Tweets that make Twitter interesting and appealing. It's the information, real-time content, and capability to post anywhere, any time that makes Twitter appealing. I can't necessarily do that everywhere with FriendFeed. It will never compete with Twitter in that regard.
- Jesse Stay
Information is flowing away and not stocked. This is the main problem. Solution is in applications as you said. Friendfeed should create a great developer community to spread their APIs. They need an another funding for developer contests. Or just one acquiring may solve this motivation problem of developers, like Twitter's Summize sourcing.
- Erhan Erdogan
sms wont get new users.
- Allen Stern
Allen, prove it
- Jesse Stay
I like Allen's white label idea.
- Michael Fidler
ahh.. thanks Allen.. guess that is one of those "usability" things :)
- Tim Hoeck
I would not use ff in sms.. too many messages to go through, I would be way behind on my reading, it would be worse than my email..
- David Gross
thanks michael - i truly believe that it would open ff past the geekcore that it sits with now - sadly none of ff management has ever replied or commented on any of my ideas for them
- Allen Stern
tim - i only learned that last week - i agree why there isnt a button is beyond me
- Allen Stern
(Just got done reading the article and I can come right to the sidebar to comment on it. I love that.) I'm glad the growth is slow. Maybe the FriendFeed team isn't, but I love hanging out here and I don't think it would be the same if it was being hyped up as much as other services.
- Mitch
And now - we can see the next challenge faced by FF. The majority of FF entries have a short life - the flip of the page - unless others see the thread and "like" or comment. If the entry is missed then there is no power to the entry (and no immediate gratification for the person). Next, there are multiple entries of the same topics. On Twitter, this is partially solved by retweets - but "top" FFeeders don't really re-share other people's entries - thus "killing off the young."
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Keep in mind my comments are only in regards to FriendFeed being able to "compete" with Twitter. Otherwise Twitter is not competition. FriendFeed needs to figure out who they are and who they are competing with. I have no clue based on what you guys are saying.
- Jesse Stay
There are other uses for FF we for example are using it as CRM with the secret mail it work perfectly ,as well I recommended some time ago to let other sites when they register their users to make an automatic parallel user here in FF ,for example a newspaper that has his social activity can make all his users FF users ,its a small API but an important one
- Johni Fisher
Twitter is popular because, honestly, most people only want to hear themselves speak, and don't care that much about what everyone else thinks. However, there will always be those of us who like reading what other people think.
- Curt
agree jesse - i dont think they know who they are yet either - i'd like to see them move AWAY from twitter comparisons as it's just not a battle worth fighting at this time. it's time for ff to get some marketing staff
- Allen Stern
exactly curt - it's about people thinking they are a celeb.
- Allen Stern
I do not know how many people actually have the time for all this anyway, I been watching this conversation for a bit but it is past bedtime.. good night everybody :o)
- David Gross
take the experience out of the browser. i think a robust desktop app would gain FF a few more super dorky users, but wouldn't help them grow at the rate facebook and twitter are.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jesse: Friendfeed will compete with Google Wave or Google Search. Not Twitter or Facebook.
- Erhan Erdogan
Allen, agreed as well - so long as they want to be Twitter they need SMS. If they don't want to be Twitter they need to distinguish exactly what they are. No one knows right now.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter has won their territory, FriendFeed needs to NOT be twitter, and find their "zone".
- Tim Hoeck
Basically friendfeed has built an incredible communications platform that can be utilized in many different environments. The corporate market holds huge potential. White labeling friendfeed just makes sense.
- Michael Fidler
And now another challenge to FF is shown in these comments. People start talking to each other - and when not noticed they either keep trying to "join" the conversation or just remove themselves from the conversation. Finally, someone who just discovers this is NOT going to be interested in reading everyone's comments - thus lowering a person's interest.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Erhan which one - those are two entirely different products right now.
- Jesse Stay
Does FF have any recmmendation systems? With conversations like this I'd imagine that to be a killer opportunity
- Tristan Walker
from iPhone
If they want to be search, search needs to be front and center, like Google
- Jesse Stay
i have to go to sleep im sorry but i still don't think sms will change that graph that thomas hawk posted. and not to harp on my idea but if they did start with the forum idea - think about how massive their real-time search index would be.... ponder that one - too many companies forget how much more is out there... it makes me very frustrated - ok be well everyone
- Allen Stern
If they want to be like Google Wave, the private messaging has to be front and center, and they need to be more open
- Jesse Stay
"real time" overload this thread is a prime example
- Benjamin Taylor
It's just like a chat room
- Benjamin Taylor
I just read Scobleizer's blog post. What's this about Facebook cloning FriendFeed? Did Facebook enhance "Like" to where I see non-friends' items on Facebook that my friends Like? Does Facebook have "Hide other items like this one" now? Last I saw, Facebook only had flimsy imitations of FriendFeed's functionality.
- Bruce Lewis
except, the UI is not like a chat room... hard to follow.
- Tim Hoeck
LPH, exactly right about the size. You can't have a conversation with a zillion people at once. Smaller groups are more effective, and that's why Facebook is popular, you control who you talk to...
- Curt
Jesse: This data will be valuable than Google's crawled index. They must use this value. But I ve no idea which one they choose.
- Erhan Erdogan
Allen there are so many more people that can post content to FriendFeed (vs the other Social Networks in the graph) once they open up SMS. Much more content will go directly to FriendFeed, and not their "competition" (if that graph is really who they're trying to compete with - I don't think it is)
- Jesse Stay
But you can update ff with text messages I thought. By updating twitter and feeding twitter. By updating fb and feeding fb. By updating wordpress and feeding wordpress. I thought that is what made ff powerful. Ff's original sin was obscuring and hiding the fact that it's made of feeds. Favicons for the fed services would help that.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Content *can* already go from SMS to FF... through Twitter.. I don't see the point.
- Tim Hoeck
LPH, Curt: isn't that exactly what Google Wave will do? Have the ability to branch off?
- Jim Halligan @jim
Benjamin: It's really hard to find the "comment" link when talking like in mIRC. : ) What is the problem. A "comment" link in the last comment's right may be useful.
- Erhan Erdogan
just give us a good old fashion frame so we can scroll :)
- Tim Hoeck
What brought people to Twitter were the "tornado" and "earthquake" and "fire" posts. It made Twitter interesting and brought even more people to Twitter. The iPhone wasn't out then - how do you think people were posting those emergency Tweets at that time (and even now)? The media caught that and before we knew it even Oprah was talking about it. SMS is the root of what has made Twitter successful, even if the majority of users don't use it all the time. The "interesting" Tweets all come from SMS.
- Jesse Stay
Perhaps every Friendfeed fan should take it upon themselves to introduce one new person to it. #Mentor
- David Damore
age sex location?
- Erhan Erdogan
nooooooo....
- Tim Hoeck
23 m istanbul :D HAHA good nights! ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
Bruce I think that FaceBook has other bug as well ,when you send a request to B a friend with someone even with out his approval you are getting at your wall his posts or part of them for sure
- Johni Fisher
this is what i mean by taking the experience out of the browser. at least for me, chrome cannot handle this thread right now.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Not being supported by developers is a big downside for friendfeed, The problem is there is little room for a ff client to add value like they do for twitter.
- Alistair
Facebook is confusing to me.. too much going on in their UI. Twitter is ridiculous to carry on a conversation. FF is for me. Just clean up the UI, and make things easier to manage. And word to the wise.. when I start getting "Which character from HBO's True Blood are you?" requests, I'm outta here!
- Tim Hoeck
Twitter growth = bots, spammers.
- Mo Kargas
What's really interesting is that these 3 products are entirely different products that I think should be competing on entirely different turfs. The blogosphere for some reason wants them all to compete.
- Jesse Stay
Forums, IRC, and Newsgroups all co-existed (and still do).. what's the difference? They all have their niche.
- Tim Hoeck
I am learning about Friendfeed now, but feel Twitter has elements of Google, linkedin and real time convos, that Friendfeed does not make as easy or intuitive. But friendfeed offers full convo tracking. To me, it seems like merger mania on the horizon. Question: Who buys who?
- Alan W Silberberg
FriendFeed vs. Google Wave?
- Jim Halligan @jim
like Robert said in his blog, friendfeed is newer than either fb or twitter and is in similar place as when they were same age.. to me it seems like friendfeed can be like twitter when nobody comments or the page is full of tweets or it can look more like facebook when people post pictures and stories and leave comments.. It is like a mesh of facebook without the nasty apps and twitter...
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- David Gross
Frankly, I'd love to see one company own all three - I think it would make a really valuable product, and I think all 3 would still co-exist
- Jesse Stay
Any "popular" alternative to Friedfeed? - People just don't get it. ( I use it )
- FranK
Ff does need a better mobile app. However there is no reason for it to compete with Twitter, they have different uses
- Kim Landwehr
from iPhone
This thread has me excited for the embargoed story Scoblizer dropped hints about. I think this is the typical right before big story provacative thread that robert starts, which the embargo'd announcement answers the question of.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Jesse, I think that sounds good, all 3 together in harmony.. and I have introduced my twitter and facebook friends to http://ff.im/1hqgl :o) #hive
- David Gross
Not 100% off topic since it was mentioned can someone tell me why 8-10% of ALL posts on Techmeme are from TechCrunch?
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin, others have their theories, but my view: TechCrunch also breaks 8-10% (or more) of all tech news stories. They're simply the first to the stories.
- Jesse Stay
Benjamin: TechCrunch covers more tech industry news and gets linked to by more influential bloggers than any other site. Before TechCrunch deleted its account here, it was my #1 most "liked" FriendFeed account, too.
- Robert Scoble
FranK: Facebook is the popular alternative to FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think it's a different tool than FriendFeed. It's more for managing relationships. FriendFeed is more about information and aggregation.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I like it too, it's impressive based on the list of tech blogs/sites http://www.techmeme.com/lb
- Benjamin Taylor
Yes Jesse, the 3 are entirely different and FF's perceived focus is realtime conversations but the service is not ready to scale (the value) yet, this conversation is an example... everyone should have the ability to create different threads in their own view and aggregate them (personalize) as preferred. But web development is not there yet, what FriendFeed needs is more developers excited.
- Alberto Saavedra
Less is more. FF seems to be too much for the average non-techy user. Twitter is about as basic as you can get. Although ff is a great app, I find myself here rarely.
- Tomy
Does anyone have an opinion on how FriendFeed might deal with Google Wave as a competitor? I see these two services being very similar, closer than Twitter & FF. Robert, I see how you use FF bring people from Twitter over here to discuss topics. Do you see yourself using Wave in a similar fashion, and what do you think the adoption rate will be like?
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jim, I have not even had a chance to see what google wave is all about, just waiting for them to spring it on me..
- David Gross
from email
Jim: I'm with David. Don't know enough yet about Wave. When they get it to me we'll check it out quickly.
- Robert Scoble
wave might be a good thing, I DO use gmail.. maybe google will buy friendfeed? lol
- David Gross
from email
Robert, if you ever want to try it I have a test account I can let you play with any time.
- Jesse Stay
Wave is more a competition with Gmail than it is FriendFeed, unless there's something they have yet to release or announce that utilizes the Wave protocol
- Jesse Stay
Wave is a technology. If it's good, FriendFeed will use it, possibly better than anyone else does.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks. I believe that if they do end up competing, as much as I love FriendFeed- I think they might be in trouble because Google will be able to back the real-time search technology and they may also have a way to monetize the Waves from day one.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Bruce: Very good point.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Jim, I think Google would be better off just buying FriendFeed and integrating the Google technology with what FriendFeed already has. I think Paul and crew have carefully poised themselves this way.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, do you think the former googlers want to be acquired by Google? Paul B has talked about wanting to structure a company in a new, more sustainable way. Would he be happy back in Google's structure again?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, I don't know Paul, but I'm willing to bet if the offer was right he wouldn't turn Google down.
- Jesse Stay
Another option would be to sell to Microsoft or Yahoo, of course.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Paul wouldn't sell. Doesn't need to. And if he did the offer would be so wacky and based on the numbers FriendFeed isn't going to get a wacky bid this year.
- Robert Scoble
FB should pay FF to be an incubator, like Fedora and Redhat Enterprise.
- Peter Warnock
I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I think they'll sell this year or next.
- Jesse Stay
Anyways, back to vacation. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, only 5 days to the Boston FriendFeed meetup! http://friendfeed.com/massach...
- Bruce Lewis
I did see a feature in Google wave which might help here. They have a real-time grammar/spelling correction system, which was included from the start. It was included to to make the platform as comfortable to use as possible hopefully to appeal to a larger audience. Some people type slow or make grammatical mistakes; I'm the king of them. Personally, I would love anything that would help in this area.
- Michael Fidler
Bruce, I'm looking forward to it!
- Jesse Stay
I don't use FriendFeed as much as I probably should. And where is its RSS feed?
- Sandra Large
Sandra - Check the bottom of the page.
- Mitch
Jessie, I could completely see Google buying friendfeed. It seems to me that's been a possible exit stategy from the start.
- Michael Fidler
Sounds like a wild prediction Michael, or are there some clues/hints that I'm oblivious to?
- Mitch
a great entrepreneurs' must read books list... - Loic Le Meur - FriendFeed - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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In keeping with my monthly reporting of compete.com tracking of FF vs. Twitter, for the month of June (after a flat May) Twitter grew at an astronomical monthly rate of 16.57%. FF by comparison mostly held flat in fact declining .26% after crossing the one million unique visitor count last month for the first time.
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I suspect that a lot of the continuing media coverage of Twitter probably accounts for it's continued rise. I'm not sure why FF seems to remain flat though.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe for a migration of early users from facebook to twitter, while the number of active users on FF isn't increased much. I mean that the usage of twitter isn't regular but it have a peek when important events happens (e.g. Iran elections or MJ death)
- Roberto (postoditacco)
from fftogo
I remember seeing a graph like that about the time Pownce shut down..or similar.
- Mike Lewis
Plus I'm sick of hearing twitter every time I turn on the TV. Wish Rick Sanchez and Don Lemon could see me shaking my fists at them :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Because FriendFeed continues to be perceived as too hard to use, too much information, too difficult to make it display what you want it to display, too desktop centric, et al. And they are right.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF might be a complex enough web service that it needs to step forward and make its own desktop and mobile clients, in its own vision. Quality clients straight from the horse's mouth would bring the experience out of the browser the way it's meant to be.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I disagree. Their mobile site is top notch, and as for desktop app, just use a chrome instance on windows or a fluid.app on mac, works beautifully, shortcuts and all.
- Evan Travers
from Android
Scoble: I think Twitter makes it much more difficult to make it display what you want it to display. Without some type of Folder structure, Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness.
- manielse
TWITTER TRACKER TWITTER TRACKER
- Rochelle
1UP Rochelle
- Akiva Moskovitz
ff needs to read my post about how they will make money - that chart would change if they would listen :)
- Allen Stern
thanks for keeping score
- chaz2b
Robert if people can figure out how to navigate the iTunes store or buy something on amazon, then they shouldn't have any trouble figuring out Friendfeed. It's not that complex.
- Jeff P. Henderson
from iPhone
Who is searching for "hip hop distribution" so much and what does that even refer to???
- Mitch
interesting point Robert. I wonder how they could improve it. I know that one thing that I would like would to be able to import all of my Flickr contacts into FF. I think there are a huge number of potential Flickr users who would use FriendFeed if it had that capability. Not sure why they don't implement that. It would be very cool to match up my Flickr contacts with their FF accounts and auto set up imaginary friends for contacts not on FF yet.
- Thomas Hawk
FriendFeed still needs SMS - for instance, in South Dakota I couldn't access or post to FriendFeed, but I could Twitter because I still had SMS. Twitter is simply open to many, many more audiences because of that.
- Jesse Stay
I believe that mostly only after Twitter users have sufficiently "banged their heads against" its unwieldiness with larger "following" counts (and no, Tweetdeck isn't a sufficient solution), do they wake up to the idea that a service like FriendFeed is even necessary (someone that doesn't think Web2.0 info filtering as a huge issue simply doesn't need FF). As such, FF is likely always...
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- Alex Schleber
Jesse - Use an SMS to Email client, FFS.
- Mitch
i'm with alex on the paid features, but not $100/year. maybe $50 or $5/month. and totally agree that FF will remain a great tool for power users as long as it stays in its current form.
- Scott Magdalein
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