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No 20º aniversário da queda do Muro de Berlim, porque não rever a obra-prima que é "Adeus Lenine"? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Porque é distribuído pela Sony e portanto não se compra e não se (re)vê.
- paula simoes ☃
Saca da Internet e não lhes dás dinheiro.
- Luis Canau
Luis: este filme não está disponível legalmente na internet...
- paula simoes ☃
Se estivesse disponível legalmente isso queria dizer que a Sony lucrava com ele :P Se achas que a Sony cerceia os teus direitos de consumidora terias problemas morais em ver o filme através de uma cópia não disponibilizada legalmente?
- Luis Canau
Ou podes simplesmente pedir a alguém que te empreste... Não é ilegal nem estás a dar dinheiro a ganhar a ninguém :-)
- Susana Sousa
Luis: não necessariamente. Filmes em domínio púbico ou creative commons, por exemplo. Tens o M, em domínio público nos EUA que é distribuído pela Paramount, por exemplo. Está disponível no archive.org, não tens de dar dinheiro à Paramount.
- paula simoes ☃
Luis: claro que teria problemas morais. Quando não concordas com uma lei, não a cumpres?
- paula simoes ☃
Susana: sim, é uma opção. Videotecas é outra. Com o cuidado de não fazer publicidade ao filme, claro.
- paula simoes ☃
Todos têm o direito de resistência constitucional contra "qualquer ordem que ofenda os seus direitos". Eu uso-o, e não creio que estou a fazer uma interpretação conveniente ou demasiado rebuscada, para dizer que, claro que vejo DVDs de outras regiões, pelo meio que for mais conveniente e necessário, e faço backups dos meus filmes se precisar, puder e conseguir. Pirataria por principio...
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- Luis Canau
Eu sei que há filmes em domínio público, referia-me ao caso específico.
- Luis Canau
Se vês DVD de outras regiões sem teres o leitor específico, quebraste o DRM, segundo a lei portuguesa podes apanhar até um ano de prisão.
- paula simoes ☃
Tem DRM? Queres backup? Compra outro! Não compras? Então também estás a fazer "pirataria", e a "tirar dinheiro aos outros"...
- Marcos Marado
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Luis: acho um pouco incongruente essa tua posição. Porque achas a "pirataria" mal e a quebra do DRM bem? O direito de autor deve ser um equilíbrio entre o direito do autor e o direito da sociedade. É que não estamos a falar de cadeiras, estamos a falar de património cultural, de conhecimento. É por isso que o direito de autor não é eterno. Porque se os autores têm direitos, o público também tem.
- paula simoes ☃
Não vejo incongruência. Já disse, para mim é direito de resistência. Não posso meter no mesmo saco aceder a um título que adquiri legitimamente ou aceder de forma ilegítima ao mesmo. Se me é permitido comprar um filme para o ver, vou vê-lo. E esse ano de prisão para quem quebrar o DRM aplica-se a quem compra um aparelho crackado? Posso sempre comprar aparelhos de outras regiões, suponho? No fundo, continua a ser uma estupidez e um abuso. Proíba-se a venda de títulos importados em coerência.
- Luis Canau
Sim, estás a usar o aparelho para cometer uma ilegalidade. O mesmo para o "fazer backup". A ideia é comprares (e dares dinheiro) as versoes da tua região, cada cópia que quiseres ter. Concordes ou não com a Lei, é assim que ela está.
- Marcos Marado
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Se quebras o DRM estás a aceder de forma ilegítima ao título, porque quando compraste o título, fizeste-lo aceitando as condições do dono. E as condições eram não quebrar o DRM.
- paula simoes ☃
Sinceramente não vejo diferença entre acederes ilegitimamente a um título ou acederes a ele de forma ilegítima :-P
- paula simoes ☃
E mais, é capaz de ser mais grave quebrares o DRM do que fazeres um download para uso privado. http://ktreta.blogspot.com/2009...
- paula simoes ☃
Eu vejo diferença entre sacar uma coisa que não paguei e fazer um procedimento técnico para aceder a uma coisa que paguei mesmo que isso implique a "violação das condições de venda". Não sei se as pessoas que transpõem estas normas para o ordenamento português concordam, os se, elas mesmas, percebem bem tudo o que andam a fazer.
- Luis Canau
O link para o ktreta era a gozar comigo? :P
- Luis Canau
o problema é que não pagaste para aceder dessa forma. por isso o uso que fazes é na mesma ilegítimo.
- paula simoes ☃
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Ena! Dezanove comentários. E nenhum tem a ver com o conteúdo do filme ou com o Muro de Berlim ou com a história recente das ideologias políticas...
- Carla Graça
Paula, não entendo porque não poderei publicitar o filme se achar que é bom o suficiente para isso.
- Susana Sousa
Carla: Continuam a aumentar. E continuam sem ter nada a ver :-P
- Susana Sousa
Pessoalmente... gostei do filme (ainda não o fui "rever")... Mesmo que não goste do resto que a Sony e as restantes "majors" fazem, continua a fazer bons filmes
- Ricardo Saraiva
para ter a ver: eu gostei muito do meu 20º aniversário, do muro de Berlim, da sua queda e o "Adeus Lenine" é bastante bom :-D
- Carlos Canau
Também gostei bastante do filme. Aliás... Acho que fui a primeira a fazer o like ao comentário da Carla ;-)
- Susana Sousa
E agora vão em quantos?
- Susana Sousa
Susana, sim, o primeiro Like é "You" :-D
- Carlos Canau
Não me lembro do meu 20º aniversário. Devia estar deprimida. Em compensação, lembro-me bem do meu 30º. :) Acho que vou repetir este ano...
- Carla Graça
lembro-me de muito poucos aniversários... o 20º e o 30º incluidos no grupo dos "não me lembro"
- Ricardo Saraiva
Canau: não sei muito bem fazer mangalhos aqui, senão fazia-te um :-P
- Susana Sousa
Ricardo: lembras-te do 25º?
- Susana Sousa
Susana: eu ensino-te ---> 8=====o ... Ou querias dizer manguito ? :-D
- Carlos Canau
Canau. era desses mesmo ... :-P Obrigada :-*
- Susana Sousa
Susana: do 25º aniversário? Vagamente ;-D
- Ricardo Saraiva
Lembro-me bem de ir a esses sitios todos...não me lembro necessariamente do aniversário em que fomos... :-)
- Ricardo Saraiva
Constitucionalista Jorge Miranda diz que casamento entre pessoas do mesmo sexo é inconstitucional. Será que os literalistas da "igualdade" vão ponderar melhor a argumentação, ou vão continuar a ser preguiçosos?
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Artigo 13.º (Princípio da igualdade) 1. Todos os cidadãos têm a mesma dignidade social e são iguais perante a lei. 2. Ninguém pode ser privilegiado, beneficiado, prejudicado, privado de qualquer direito ou isento de qualquer dever em razão de ascendência, sexo, raça, língua, território de origem, religião, convicções políticas ou ideológicas, instrução, situação económica, condição social ou orientação sexual. - http://www.parlamento.pt/Legisla...
- paula simoes ☃
Se o código civil está errado, mude-se o código civil.
- paula simoes ☃
Artigo 3.º (Soberania e legalidade) 1. A soberania, una e indivisível, reside no povo, que a exerce segundo as formas previstas na Constituição. 2. O Estado subordina-se à Constituição e funda-se na legalidade democrática. 3. A validade das leis e dos demais actos do Estado, das regiões autónomas, do poder local e de quaisquer outras entidades públicas depende da sua conformidade com a Constituição. - http://www.parlamento.pt/Legisla...
- paula simoes ☃
O argumento desse sr é que o artigo 13º não se refere à família, mas o artigo 13º está nos Princípios Gerais. Porque é que não se refere à família? Afinal é ou não é um princípio geral? Ou é um princípio "geral" excepto para a família? E onde é que isso está escrito na Constituição?
- paula simoes ☃
Outro argumento é que o que rege a família é o artigo 36º, mas o artigo 36º não diz que o casamento tem de ser entre um homem e uma mulher. O argumento costuma ser: ah mas esse artigo pressupõe a existência de filhos biológicos. Mas esta interpretação é um absurdo: significaria que seria inconstitucional um homem e uma mulher infertéis ou com determinada idade casarem-se.
- paula simoes ☃
Paula, uma coisa é a letra, outra o espírito da Lei. E há questão de contexto também. Este senhor, Jorge Miranda, é um dos autores da Constituição original, o que torna a interpretação técnica dele, pelo menos, mais relevante do que a minha. Não quer dizer que não existam outros dos obreiros originais que interpretem de outra forma, nem que seja por serem mais próximos do PS e menos...
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- Luis Canau
É curioso que Portugal esteja à frente nestes modernismos sociais (sem intenção de ser irónico, falta-me expressão mais politicamente correcta) tendo ao mesmo tempo, quem sabe, um dos poucos parlamentos europeus - não sei se estou a exagerar - onde, aparentemente, não há homossexuais.
- Luis Canau
Há uma diferença entre igualdade e equidade. A igualdade nunca pode ser absoluta. Por exemplo, se 65 ou lá quanto é, for a idade da reforma, uma pessoa com 64 que queira a reforma não vai alegar discriminação. Simplesmente não preenche os requisitos para ter a reforma. O casamento tem um contexto histórico social e o art. 13.º não veio alterar nada, porque toda a gente é livre de casar....
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- Luis Canau
O único sítio onde está explícito que o casamento é entre homem e mulher é no código civil. E não está escrito em lado nenhum da constituição que uma mulher não preenche os requisitos para casar com outra mulher.
- paula simoes ☃
Vir dizer que o casamento entre pessoas do mesmo sexo é inconstitucional, não porque não está escrito na constituição, mas porque o "contexto" ou que se queria dizer na constituição não era isso é arranjar desculpas para não levar isso avante. Desculpas.
- paula simoes ☃
Olha o meu reply morreu. Bom, dizia eu, o casamento civil está no Código Civil, tal como as regras de circulação de veículos estão no Código da Estrada. A Constituição não tem que sugerir pela positiva ou pela negativa esse tipo de requisitos. Não vás por aí. Não vi citação directa, apenas a referência via um deputado do CDS - suspeito, eventualmente, mas não desmentido no artigo - que...
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- Luis Canau
Paula, se o legislador tivesse o casamento gay em mente tinha clarificado ou até mesmo alterado a CRP e o CC ao mesmo tempo. O que não faz sentido é pretender que houve qualquer tipo de intenção nesse sentido. Achas que os mais respeitáveis constitucionalistas portugueses só querem chatear a esquerda? :P Eu não vou por ser "inconstitucional" ou "constitucional" e, já disse, casem à vontade. Daqui a uns anos só casam os homossexuais de qualquer forma. Ah ah.
- Luis Canau
Não é provocação, mas queria citar uma entrevista do escritor espanhol Álvaro Pombo ao Público: "a verdade é que a prática homossexual se contradiz por natureza numa vivência que se procura normalizável. É por isso que sempre será difícil para mim acreditar na tradução jurídica do casamento como motivo de felicidade imediata. Se calhar bastava contarmos o número de divórcios que existem...
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- Luis Canau
O que não faz sentido é dizer que o que conta não é o que está escrito, mas o que as pessoas que escreveram queriam dizer na altura. Podia estar escrito e eu não concordaria, mas não está. Dizer que "ah e tal mas era intenção estar" é desculpa. Hoje, uma mulher não poder casar com outra mulher por ser mulher ou um homem não poder casar com outro homem por ser homem é discriminação sim.
- paula simoes ☃
Não estás a perceber, parece-me. Não discuto contigo se isso é discriminação ou não. É, pelo menos, em abstracto. Já disse que não discordo necessariamente com o casamento gay, mas não estás a dar importância nenhuma aos "meus" argumentos (aspas, porque não pretendo originalidade de nenhum). A questão é não perceber também o que está escrito, a letra. Há pessoas tão presas à letra que...
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- Luis Canau
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E os pares?
- Marcos Marado
esse 9 está aí a estragar o parentesco...
- paula simoes ☃
pares: neste grupo de árvores devem apenas retirar a cortiça de dois em dois anos. gostaria de sacar os outros números um dia destes :-)
- Carlos Canau
paula: o 9 é o mais "fresco", praticamente "em sangue". Será difícil encontrar um 9 com uma cor mais escura. A não ser um esquecido que tenha ficado de 1999 ;-). Olha p/ o progresso desde o 200(1) até ao 200(9).
- Carlos Canau
sim, mas não deixa de ser um intruso na reunião dos primos... :-) obrigada pela explicação
- paula simoes ☃
mas não deixa de ser bonito ver a evolução do crescimento da cortiça nessa maravilha da natureza que é o sobreiro. :)
- Carla Graça
é bonito sim :-)
- paula simoes ☃
Photonic: A Flickr desktop client for Mac OS X - http://www.photonicapp.com/
Working with a lot of photos to upload can be a pain, especially with any sort of web-based interface. No matter how well-designed the interface is, you're still in a web browser and suffer from the limitations therein. The answer to effectively organizing and uploading tens, or even hundreds, of photos to Flickr is to use a desktop application specifically designed to help you accomplish this task. Enter Photonic.
- Marin Dacos
and for GNU/Linux - http://manishrjain.googlepages.com/flickrf... (you can install it from the repositories, if you use ubuntu)
- paula simoes ☃
gui app (GNU/Linux) - http://code.google.com/p/dfo/
- paula simoes ☃
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Foi tudo de uma vez? ;-)
- Susana Sousa
:-D
- Ricardo Saraiva
Já os li há imenso tempo, ontem à noite decidi digitalizar as capas e colocá-los lá. Na verdade, queria colocar as capas todas juntas, mas isso não é possível porque estas duas colecções, por exemplo, ainda não acabaram. Também podia automatizar e dizer ao Tumblr para colocar uma por dia, mas aquilo dá-se mal com posts calendarizados para o futuro...
- paula simoes ☃
Não é pelo post.... Era para saber se tinhas comprado a colecção toda agora... Tipo prendinha de anos de ti para ti :-D
- Susana Sousa
Ah não! O primeiro da colecção desta capa foi-me dado por um professor quando estive na Suécia. Estavamos a falar de como gostavamos de policiais e eu a certa altura disse que era muito aborrecido porque os meus autores preferidos estavam todos mortos (Christie, Stout, Simenon, Sayers, etc) e ele falou neste escritor e quando me vim embora deu-me o 1º volume. Gostei imenso e acabei por fazer não só esta colecção como outra que ele tem sobre uma filósofa que é reviwer de uma revista científica.
- paula simoes ☃
Mas não, prendinha de mim para mim este ano foram mesmo 4 antologias num alfarrabista. Antologias de policiais sim :-)
- paula simoes ☃
ah e o primeiro volume do ABC Policial do Varatojo. Estão aqui no fim do post: http://paulasimoesblog.wordpress.com/
- paula simoes ☃
Ainda falta a minha :-)
- Susana Sousa
DigitalKoans » Blog Archive » Information Economy Report 2009: Trends and Outlook in Turbulent Times - http://digital-scholarship.org/digital...
"The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development has released Information Economy Report 2009: Trends and Outlook in Turbulent Times."
- paula simoes ☃
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Archives and Public History Digital - http://aphdigital.org/#
"Archivists and public historians present and interpret history in a wide variety of dynamic venues, ranging from history museums to digital libraries. For three decades, NYU has prepared students for successful careers as archivists, manuscript curators, documentary editors, oral historians, cultural resource managers, historical interpreters, and new media specialists."
- paula simoes ☃
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Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad. - Boing Boing - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
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"The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:"
- paula simoes ☃
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RT @RayS6: announced new DH journal, published by the SDH / SEMI http://web.uvic.ca/~siemen...
http://www.digitalstudies.org - so you don't need to download the pdf
- paula simoes ☃
PUBLICO.PT - Morreu Claude Lévi-Strauss - http://www.publico.clix.pt/Cultura...
"O antropólogo e etnólogo Claude Lévi-Strauss morreu na madrugada de sábado para domingo aos 100 anos, anunciou hoje a Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales."
- paula simoes ☃
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:(
- Carla Graça
DENMARK: DRM Breaker Reports Himself To Anti-Piracy Group - Enigmax (TorrentFreak) - http://torrentfreak.com/drm-bre...
"A citizen is so tired of his country’s copyright laws he has reported himself to an anti-piracy group. In his written confession, the ‘pirate’ admits to copying more than one hundred purchased movies and TV shows for his own use – legal in Denmark – but breaking DRM on the same is an act forbidden under Danish law."
- Miguel Caetano
We have the same problem in Portugal: you can't break DRM in any case. You can ask IGAC, but they won't give you anything. I wonder what libraries and archives will do about it...
- paula simoes ☃
RT @glynmoody: EMI's vindictiveness against this man is truly revolting - http://michaelrobertson.com/archive... remind me never to buy an EMI product again
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EMI is on my blacklist for sometime now, I think it is in it since I found out what DRM was. It is really sad that artists like Sérgio Godinho and José Mário Branco are published by EMI...
- paula simoes ☃
"Os episódios da série 1 Minuto de Astronomia apresentam, num minuto, os mais prementes e actuais temas científicos ligados à Astronomia, dos buracos negros aos eclipses, passando pela matéria negra e os anéis de Saturno. Explicações claras, curtas e precisa, apoiadas por grafismos e animações, produzidas por uma equipa de astrónomos e comunicadores de ciência profissionais. A apresentar cada um dos programas teremos figuras bem conhecidas do público, pessoas que normalmente não esperaríamos ouvir falar de ciência – actores, músicos, apresentadores, etc. Para completar as explicações televisivas, vamos contar com a colaboração de 13 astrónomos Portugueses que neste site irão partilhar o seu conhecimento sobre os diversos temas abordados. Para aqueles que desejam saber mais."
- paula simoes ☃
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isto parece interessante, mas porque é que colocaram lá os vídeos se estão "private"? @1MinAstronomia
- paula simoes ☃
Quando a cibercensura faz lei - Exame Informática.pt - http://clix.exameinformatica.pt/quando-...
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"Imagine que é um especialista em informática e que começa a analisar uma aplicação que acabou de comprar. Depois de algum trabalho, descobre uma vulnerabilidade no código ou num qualquer componente da aplicação e informa o fornecedor. Passadas uma ou duas semanas, decide anunciar na Net a descoberta da vulnerabilidade juntamente com a actualização ou o método que permitem sanar a vulnerabilidade. Em todo o mundo, é assim que a comunidade de programadores especializados em segurança electrónica trabalha - mas em Portugal este processo tornou-se ilegal desde 15 de Outubro com a entrada em vigor da nova Lei da Cibercriminalidade."
- paula simoes ☃
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Pó dos Livros - http://livrariapodoslivros.blogspot.com/
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"O que aqui denuncio não sei se pode ser considerado crime, mas é no mínimo desonesto. Não posso revelar os nomes das pseudo-editoras, porque apenas disponho do testemunho de pessoas que vêm à livraria perguntar pelo seu livro. A resposta é invariavelmente a mesma: nunca recebemos esse livro nem sequer temos conhecimento da sua existência."
- paula simoes ☃
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"Em troca, com o argumento de que ele ainda é um ilustre desconhecido, pedem-lhe uma comparticipação nos custos da edição e distribuição. Os valores em causa não são grandes, na ordem dos 200 ou 250 euros. Se tiver em conta que poderá ver, no futuro, o seu livro editado e distribuído por todo o país, estes valores parecem ainda mais insignificantes. Não resistindo ao apelo, muito boa...
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- Marcos Marado
é tão triste o ponto a que a nossa sociedade já chegou! E tão mais triste ainda perceber que ainda não batemos no fundo!
- Marco Neves
I really can't understand ubuntu developers. Karmic was released yesterday and those who rely on a 3gmodem connection can't use it because they will not be able to connect to the internet...
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sim é um bug conhecido ja à 3 semanas. n é so ubuntu, mas sim da tree upstream Linux. ja ha um patch e espera-se q seja disponibilizado com um update SRU. e seim sei quao mau é para tds os users de modems3G, pq eu tb sou afectado à 3 semanas :(
- (``-_-´´)
Sim, acho que isto vem do kernel, mas se o kernel tem um problema grave destes, não se usa na release ou espera-se que se corrija. Eu considerava o jaunty um os out-of-the-box. é por estas coisitas que não percebo os developers de ubuntu. aqui há tempos houve outra coisa incompreensível, o ubuntu traz uma ferramenta de bug report que foram buscar ao debian. quem reportasse bugs por essa via estava a mandá-los para os gajos do debian! weird people...
- paula simoes ☃
eheh essa da tool para reportar bugs, tem uma explicaçao simples: havia kem o solicitasse para reportar bug *no* debian. o prob 'e q havia kem o ussasse a pensar q funkava no ubuntu, e qd n se indicava q era debian , enviava o bug report para a lista de users do ubuntu :) mas tt qt sei ja foi resolvido à duas releases a tras, n foi? agora temos uma nova q da mt jeito : $ ubuntu-bugs PACKAGE
- (``-_-´´)
nem sei como isso ficou, deixei de reportar bugs desde então... e não vejo qualquer vantagem em reportar bugs do ubuntu para o debian.
- paula simoes ☃
n sao bugs do ubuntu... eram casos de bugs do debian a ser reportados para o debian, enqt o user corria ubuntu... clear?
- (``-_-´´)
não estou a perceber, desculpa. a não ser que seja tipo como se eu tivesse duas máquinas uma com debian e outra com fedora e encontrasse no debian um bug, mas reportasse o bug ao debian a partir do fedora? será isto?
- paula simoes ☃
bugabundo: 1) o bug do kernel é, sim, no kernel, mas não acho compreensível que a kernel team do ubuntu tenha decidido que o bug não era prioritário o suficiente para lançar um pacote com o patch que o corrige, apesar do freeze, antes do ubuntu sair. Assim, carradas de pessoas ficam a xuxar no dedo até ao lançamento de uma ISO do SRU. E aquelas pessoas que vão experimentar o Ubuntu pela...
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- Marcos Marado
marcos tens o link do bug?
- paula simoes ☃
Marcos se leres o bug, vais ver q eu concordo ctg. no entanto axaram q uma regressao apenas n justificaria uma alteraçao dessas. alem disso o patch so foi disponibilizado uma semana e meia antes da release, e a kernel team preferiu n fazer alteraçoes a um kernel ja testado.
- (``-_-´´)
bugabundo: o que critico é mesmo o facto de 1) a regressão não ter sido considerada "release critical" e 2) que a kernel team preferir não fazer um pacote só com esse patch a mais (se é uma questão de "teste", então que adiassem a release date). Paula: se te referes ao bug do reportbug-ng, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu...
- Marcos Marado
Pois é...é por estas e por outras,leia-se a continua aposta em software que usa e abusa do ms-novell-mono, casos do tomboy, f-spot, evolution etc, o não apostar convenientemente no kubuntu que usa um desktop environment livre do cancro ms-novell-mono, são estas tretas com o Kernel que já levou diversos projectos a abandonarem o Ubuntu e a voltarem ou começarem a usar a Debian pura, como...
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- ovigia
O National Geographic tem estado a passar uma série de documentários sobre a 2a Guerra Mundial. Agora passa um sobre o tratamento dos judeus em Auschwitz, com base em fotografias tiradas pelos guardas e carrascos. É incrível como todas as imagens me parecem de um filme, como é ainda difícil de acreditar que tal horror tenha alguma vez acontecido.
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Ainda mais chocante que isso é o facto de a história ter esquecido que os ciganos também sofreram os mesmos horrores nas mãos dos nazis.
- André Rivotti Casimiro
Deixem-me contar-vos uma piada. Um sujeito encontra Hitler num bar de Nova Iorque e fica muito espantado. "Uau, é mesmo você?! Não tinha morrido?". Responde o Hitler, "Nein! Fugi para a América do Sul e agora voltei para matar 20 milhões de judeus e 11 acrobatas!" "O quê? Mas por que carga de água é que quer matar 11 acrobatas?!" Responde o Hitler, satisfeito, e olhando em redor: "Vêem? Bem vos disse que ninguém queria saber dos judeus! Ah!"
- Luis Canau
O que o André diz é interessante. Independentemente de tudo o que o povo judeu passou sem ter culpa nenhuma, há uma espécie de globalização da ideia que só os judeus é que foram os maiores coitadinhos de todos os tempos. Também ninguém fala dos soviéticos que morreram às mãos do Stalin, que ainda foram mais do que os judeus mortos pelos nazis, da mesma forma que falam sobre o que aconteceu aos judeus.
- Nuno Monteiro
O Holocausto tornou-se um símbolo e o povo sofredor com mais visibilidade são os judeus. Não quero soar cínico, mas essa visibilidade tem que ver também com o poder económico, com um estado forte, Israel, e com lóbis diversos. As pessoas mal informadas pensam só nos judeus, mas não é como se não se fale de vítimas não judias. Fazendo um pesquisa por nazi+roma encontram-se muitos sites....
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- Luis Canau
Dizer que ninguém fala das vítimas de Estaline, não sei. Ninguém fala das vítimas de Pol Pot? Ninguém fala das vítimas de Kim Jong-il e Kim Il-sung? De Mao Zedong e dos que o seguiram? "Ninguém" fala onde, no autocarro? Infelizmente, a política - o ser de Esquerda ou de Direita - tolhe um bocado o olhar de algumas pessoas, quando é, basicamente, tudo a mesma merda.
- Luis Canau
Tudo se resume a serem (ou terem sido) Estados totalitários. Por vezes, apoiados descaradamente pelas democracias ocidentais. Não deixa de ser interessante o que as ideologias permitem que se faça em seu nome. Mas no fundo tem apenas a ver com poder e hegemonia mundial.
- Carla Graça
Não esquecer que, para além dos judeus, dos ciganos e dos homossexuais, o nazismo também matou milhares de deficientes e doentes mentais, para além das esterilizações em massa, pondo em prática as correntes que defendiam a eugenia e que eram muito populares à época em países ocidentais como os EUA e o Reino Unido. Aliás, o anti-semitismo era particularmente popular nos países...
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- Carla Graça
Esqueceste-te das medonhas experiências com gémeos...
- Susana Sousa
eeek, pois foi. e com anões... :(
- Carla Graça
Carla: relativamente ao anti-semitismo, na mouche. Inclusive durante a 2º Grande Guerra tanto Ingleses e Russos, que não queria que os judeus migrassem para os territórios Árabes porque já tinham problemas qb com os mesmos, impediram/dificultaram a saída dos judeus da Europa. Há casos documentados de sabotagem e mesmo afundamento de barcos que fazia o transporte de judeus da Europa para...
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- André Rivotti Casimiro
Toda a gente odeia o "outro", só é preciso escolher um, normalmente o que está próximo e "compete" por algo.
- Luis Canau
Kapuscinski, Ryszard. "O Outro". Campo das Letras. Maio de 2009. http://www.campo-letras.pt/noticia...
- paula simoes ☃
Este também destaca muito bem o papel do "outro", a demonização do "outro" como forma de incentivo e alimentação de conflitos. "The War of the World: Twentieth-Century Conflict and the Descent of the West", de Niall Ferguson http://www.amazon.com/War-Wor...
- Carla Graça
Peter Suber, Open Access Overview (definition, introduction) - http://www.earlham.edu/~peters...
"This is an introduction to open access (OA) for those who are new to the concept. I hope it's short enough to read, long enough to be useful, and organized to let you skip around and dive into detail only where you want detail. It doesn't cover every nuance or answer every objection. But for those who read it, it should cover enough territory to prevent the misunderstandings that delayed progress in our early days. I welcome your comments and suggestions."
- paula simoes ☃
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Hell awaits for illegal file-sharers | Music | The Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music...
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"In the war against albums being illegally uploaded on to the internet before they are released, David Tibet of the underground band Current 93 may have struck a minor, if resounding, victory. "This is a promotional CD," announces a little girl on the promo copy of Current 93's new album Aleph at Hallucinatory Mountain. "Anyone illegally selling, copying, uploading or downloading this material is condemned to eternal hellfire. Happy listening, God is love." Then Tibet – a devout Christian with strong views about the impending apocalypse – intones "murder" over a guitar riff heavy enough to terrify Satan. It makes you wonder whether a casual upload is really worth being cast into Hades for."
- Marcos Marado
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Acham que uma pessoa que passa de budista (ou uma espécie de budista?) para "cristão devoto" está a enriquecer-se mental e espiritualmente?
- Luis Canau
Estudante da escatologia cristã, é mais como o definiria, do que propriamente cristão devoto. Vejo-o mais como "membro da OTO" do que propriamente como cristão. Mas, independentemente de tudo isso, vejo os estudos dele e preocupação com estes temas como um enriquecimento mental e espiritual - sim.
- Marcos Marado
Ultimately, the war on file-sharing has to be a moral one, and the announcement on Current 93's album highlights the fact that anyone illegally downloading it really needs to think long and hard about the implications of stealing someone's creative efforts before it's too late. "The announcement may have a certain dark humour, but it comes from my spiritual and religious convictions,"...
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- Carlos Canau
dedico o parágrafo acima a alguns conhecidos. vocês sabem quem são. pó inferno you will go.
- Carlos Canau
"I'll be atoning for various sins at the Judgment Seat, but the illegal downloading of other people's music won't be one of them." -- won't be one of them não significa "pó inferno you will NOT go? :-P
- Marcos Marado
significa que ele não faz "illegal downloading"
- paula simoes ☃
huh, li mal :-P
- Marcos Marado
esperem, esperem... como é que se conjuga a OTO com o cristianismo, está-me a escapar. Alguém me quer esclarecer? Estamos a falar da OTO do Crowley ou há por aí outra OTO?
- Marco Neves
from IM
É mesmo a OTO do Crowley. Como se conjuga? Assim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... :-)
- Marcos Marado
marcos, os "conhecidos" é que vão p/ os Quintos dos Infernos.
- Carlos Canau
quem são os "conhecidos" ? estou a ficar curiosa...
- Susana Sousa
Sempre as alfândegas. Ou os CTT. Quem sabe? - Há Vida em Markl - http://havidaemmarkl.blogs.sapo.pt/24051...
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"- Se eu paguei bens que são apreendidos sem que me seja dada uma explicação, e se esses bens, meses depois, são vendidos num leilão... Eu peço desculpa, mas não é a este tipo de coisas que costuma chamar-se roubo? Puro, simples, inadulterado - ROUBO. Pegaram em bens meus e foram vendê-los. Não me parece um comportamento muito diferente do que se eu fosse na rua com DVDs na mão, passasse um tipo que me arrancasse os ditos DVDs e fugisse a correr e fosse depois vendê-los para a Feira da Ladra. É exactamente a mesma coisa."
- paula simoes ☃
from Bookmarklet
Teatro Nacional de São Carlos - NOVA TEMPORADA - TEMPORADA LÍRICA - O CREPÚSCULO DOS DEUSES - WebÓpera FAQ - weboperafaq8 - http://www.saocarlos.pt/gca...
J M Cerqueira Esteves liked this
"Sendo uma transmissão em streaming video não é possível nem autorizada a realização de downloads da transmissão. A transmissão fornecida pelo São Carlos e pela RTP destina-se apenas à sua visualização em directo e uso próprio e individual do espectador. O conteúdo está protegido por leis internacionais de direitos de autor, sendo expressamente proibida qualquer gravação e redistribuíção, não importa o formato, suporte ou meio de comunicação usado para o efeito."
- paula simoes ☃
from Bookmarklet
"individual" - nada de deixarem outras pessoas olharem para o vosso computador...
- paula simoes ☃
pode não ser autorizada, mas não me parece que não seja possível a realização de download...
- paula simoes ☃
como não é autorizado download (mesmo que para uso próprio e privado), porque tenho tráfego limitado a esta hora, porque não me dá jeito ver agora, não vejo!
- paula simoes ☃
isto é uma transmissão pela internet, mas é em formato de (antiga) televisão: só podem ver na hora!
- paula simoes ☃
ena ena é mesmo inovador!
- paula simoes ☃
dá para perceber que fiquei aborrecida?
- paula simoes ☃
"São Carlos — protegemos o público da ópera e a ópera do público"
- J M Cerqueira Esteves
Giro giro era a transmissão funcionar... Ou é a só a mim que aparece "wrong filename..."?
- Duarte
Dá! E o pior é teres razão para isso. E eles não existe nenhuma lei que lhes permita proibir a cópia privada, pelo contrário, o art. 75º a) do código de direito de autor diz que a cópia para uso privado realizada por pessoa singular e sem fins comerciais é licita.
- Marco Neves
O fixe foi que eu estava lá, no dia da gravação!!! E vale a pena ver. O menos fixe, é disponibilizarem algo para que seja visto apenas quando eles querem :-(
- Susana Sousa
É esta a difusão cultural que estamos a financiar. É o que eu digo, nem é tanto o dinheiro que investimos em Cultura, é sim *como* o investimos.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Como "estamos"?
- Susana Sousa
Esse conceito de "cópia privada" também abrange cópias dos amigos e da Internet e não é a intenção da Lei, Marcos. Os direitos do espectáculo são "lá deles" e as condições são lá deles. Pessoalmente, preferia ir ao São Carlos um dia destes, mas não tenho roupa adequada :P
- Luis Canau
Córror, para Abril de 2010 só há 11 lugares livres na plateia a 85 EUR! Ainda bem que a crise não chega à cultura das elites.
- Luis Canau
Luis: eu fui ver este espectáculo de calças de ganga e t-shirt. E, exceptuando umas peruas que por lá andavam com bichos mortos aos ombros, o resto do pessoal estava na mesma figura que eu :-) Concordo é plenamente contigo no tocante aos preços. É mais barato absorver telenovelas da TVI ou ir aos espectáculos grátis patrocinados pelas cadeias de hipermercados...
- Susana Sousa
carga de trabalhos :: emprego na área da comunicação - http://www.cargadetrabalhos.net/2009...
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"Após bastante consideração, o Carga de Trabalhos decidiu mudar a sua política de publicação de anúncios, passando a rejeitar todos os anúncios nos quais figurem propostas que, segundo o Código do Trabalho em vigor, possam ser consideradas ilegais ou suspeitas. (...)Assim, lembramos que à luz do Código do Trabalho e de acordo com a opinião de vários especialistas na matéria, entre os quais o Dr. Garcia Pereira, os chamados estágios não-remunerados ou estágios com "ajudas de custo" são claramente ilegais, por constituírem, segundo a legislação, um verdadeiro e próprio Contrato de Trabalho."
- paula simoes ☃
from Bookmarklet
What is fair use? | Copyright Guide for Music Librarians / Resources - http://www.musiclibraryassoc.org/copyrig...
ovigia, Miguel Caetano and Marcos Marado liked this
"* We would like to digitize our sound (video, score) collection. Is this infringement? This is a grey area. Digital copying of scores, books, and sound recordings for preservation may be allowed, but you may not anticipate the deterioration of your collection. Video may not be copied."
- paula simoes ☃
from Bookmarklet
* This video is out of print and is used quite a bit. Can I make a copy of it? If so, can I circulate the copy? Unfortunately, USC 17 Sect. 108 does not apply to videorecordings or digital data. Permission from the copyright holder is necessary to copy a videorecording or data file for any reason.
- paula simoes ☃
No livro: Ernest Hemingway. Ter e Não Ter. Livros do Brasil. Tradução Jorge de Sena. (Colecção Miniatura, nº 53) - http://paulasimoes.tumblr.com/post...
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"Se o livro estiver todo aberto, rejeite-o, pois é indício de que já foi lido. Defenda a sua saúde não manuseando livros usados."
- paula simoes ☃
Eu gosto de livros usados :-(
- Susana Sousa
Eu prefiro-os até, mas a verdade é começo a encontrar vários livros antigos com esta indicação... (weird)
- paula simoes ☃
Estes celtas são doidos. Com 9 graus na rua vi uma gaja de alcinhas. Não se perdia nada se pusesse um casaco.
Lembra-me quando eu fui à República Checa em Dezembro e me andava a aconselhar sobre botas para andar na neve e isso e depois disseram-me "ah, a gente anda de sandálias". Sandálias com meias! A loucura total. De qualquer forma, os zero graus de lá são uma aldrabice :P
- Luis Canau
E na Suécia em fins de Setembro, eu de kispo de penas e ao lado jovens de alcinhas...
- paula simoes ☃
Nice, vou a Praga para a semana, 4 noites. Será que já estará tanto frio como em Dezembro?
- Frederico Marques
Acho que Janeiro era mais frio que Dezembro, por isso final de Outubro deve ser meio-primaveril :) Com sorte ainda entras em bares e restaurantes sem um aquecimento insuportável que te dá vontade de tirar a roupa toda.
- Luis Canau
Eh, quero provar a cerveja dos gajos e alguma comida (gosto de carne). Sei tb que esta' cheio de turistas e que se nao tiver cuidado, e' tudo rip-off prices. Tiveste problemas com os pelintras/carteiristas? Recomendas trocar o cash em ATMs ou ir a bancos?
- Frederico Marques
Avisaram-me que havia muita gatunagem sobretudo no metro, mas não tive grande percepção disso e andei muito em metro e eléctrico. Não sei se é diferente de cá - também faríamos o mesmo aviso a visitantes -, mas falaram-me inclusive de casos de grupos de meliantes no metro que agarravam as malas à bruta e levavam-nas. Quanto aos preços, claro que no centro é mais caro, mas os sítios onde...
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- Luis Canau
Levantei em ATMs sempre, mas fui idiota e da primeira vez fiz uns quatro levantamentos e depois arrotei com 4x taxas por ser fora da Zona Euro PQP! A comida não achei nada de especial, mas se calhar explorei mal. Muita coisa é parecida com a tuga mas com acompanhamentos diferentes. Impingem aos turistas joelho de porco de 1 kilo e gulash. O primeiro nunca comi, mas comi um óptimo gulash...
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- Luis Canau
Obrigado pelas dicas. Vou acompanhado de mulher e filha. Não vai dar para conhecer a fauna nocturna. Ahh, se tivesse 21 anos outra vez..
- Frederico Marques
Como é que eu convenço um Blackberrymaníaco que está a pensar mudar de telemóvel a comprar um HTC Hero em lugar de um iPhone? ;-)
Mas... mas... como é possível alguém com Blackberry pensar em trocar por HTC ou iPhone? O Blackberrymaníaco aqui de casa só pensa trocar o seu blackberry por... um blackberry mais recente.
- paula simoes ☃
Mas olha que o HTC Hero deve ser uma pequena maravilha - 434 euros na Optimus - e o Blackberry tem poucas aplicações ;-) O IPhone é caríssimo em Portugal e cheio de restrições :-(
- Miguel Caetano
Claro que tudo depende da utilização que o teu amigo quer dar ao novo telemóvel, mas tenho muitas dúvidas que fique satisfeito com o Hero...
- Rui Tukayana
Não é um amigo; é o meu irmão ;) Parece-me que o HTC Hero é melhor que o iPhone mas a verdade é que nunca experimentei nenhum dos 2 ;) Android All The Way!!
- Miguel Caetano
Não troco Blackberry por HTC nem iphone, e aplicações não me faltam!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Pelo que li, o HTC Hero parece-me ser um telemóvel bastante parecido com o iPhone mas com algumas diferenças. Desvantagens: hardware relativamente obsoleto que resulta numa navegação mais lenta e firmware com falhas; menor capacidade de armazenamento; Vantagens: suporte Flash, multitasking, material de construção mais sólido e elegante, câmara com maior resolução e a enorme vantagem de...
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- Miguel Caetano
Estava-me a esquecer do Nokia n900 que apenas tem a "desvantagem" de vir com um processador de 600 Mhz...
- Miguel Caetano
Há telemoveis android que me parecem ser promissores, os HTC e os Nokia não fazem parte da lista...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Estou particularmente curioso com o ACER A1.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
ACER? Isso nos laptops é uma bodega... ;-)
- Miguel Caetano
Também HTC e Nokia nos telemoveis ;-)
- Marcos Marado
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The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
Adrian Poermandya, jz0f, Carl Cabading and 133 other people liked this
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
ysabelegaspi at gmail dot com. thanks!
- Ysabel Legaspi
Kol, my man...I love you, you do know that right? :) jazzjeppeATgmail.com
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
I would like to have one => nessuno.no.luogo at gmail dot com <= :) thank you
- nessuno
crap, wrong email...:) jazzjeppeATgmail.com
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
havaslash att gmail dott com thanks :)
- Jay
bryce@bryceroney.com if you have a spare :)
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
chaz2b2@gmail.com thank you, :)
- chaz2b
oceano70 [at] gmail.com - thank's!
- ӊooқ
adrian[dot]scicluna (at) gmail[dot]com
- Ade
lameei (at) gmail (dot) com
- Mostafa Lameei
fanning[dot]steve(at)gmail[dot]com
- Steve
(You're really enjoying this, aren't you?) :P
- Ade
williswee@gmail.com :)
- Willis Wee
manantsoa.david(at)gmail(dot)com - Thanx
- Manantsoa
nikicostantini[at]gmail.com :)
- Niki Costantini
gloriouslywired@gmail.com Thank you!
- Tanya S
Hehe, Jesper. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
tibor.holoda@gmail.com Please! ;)
- Tibor Holoda
http://scr.im/jaden Pretty please with a cherry on top :)
- Dan Hersam
can i haz en invyte? boycaught-at-gmail.com
- .LAG liked that
Please pretty please - wishfully.thinking [at] gmail [dot] com
- Harini Saladi
daemith@gmail.com
- Лиова
could you please send me an invite as well please email saysunnykapoor@gmail.com
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
If anyone has one to share - martin (dot) starfighterpilot (at) gmail.com :-)
- Martin Bryant
tagyboy@gmail.com thanks
- fwed
slayerboy [AT] gmail [DOT} com
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
pkhannah@gmail.com
- Paul
krz9000[@)googlemail.com i can haz?
- Chris Hofmann
yok2504 [at] gmail.com
- Sinan İŞLER
melanie.langenhan at googlemail.com
- Melanie Langenhan
mdoeff at gmail dot com
- Mike Doeff
sadoyle AT gmail DOT com if anyone has a spare invite I would be thrilled.
- Simon Doyle
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rubin dot sfadj at gmail dot com
- Rubin Sfadj
grant.bierman at gmail dot com
- Grant Bierman
If anyone has a spare one to share........ magic.mridul@gmail.com
- mridul
how do we track who got invited & who didnt?
- Roshan Ramachandran
magicofpi at gmail dot com for me, please!
- Ryan - @magicofpi
kim.landwehr@gmail.com
- Kim Landwehr
Roshan, maybe those who got invited could put an X before their email... or delete their comment altogether.
- Ryan - @magicofpi
amnesiak1978 [at] gmail.com
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
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Ryan, yep I've suggested something like that in the first comment above.
- Kol Tregaskes
blackice912@gmail.com - thanks in advance. :)
- Brad Butner
Ah, yeah, I might've missed that... at least we're on the same page. :)
- Ryan - @magicofpi
flaimo [@] gmail.com
- flaimo
i guess i am superiphi at gmail
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
marco.marengo [at] gmail.com
- gib
aucimen(at) gmail.com (thank youu)
- Alper Umut Çimen
EnforcedData@gmail.com (Thanks so much!)
- Danny Minick
agentezerozerokappa [at] gmail
- ced
ceterelealtdileyt[at]gmail(dot)com --Thank you already now
- YunusYAMANER(CITRIL)
mguttler@gmail.com - thanks
- Matt G
nicolaquinn@gmail.com :)
- Nicola Quinn
from Nambu
mahendrap[at]gmail.com
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
somebody who has it please send a message to me too thanks.
- Mahmood Padura
petegilbert@gmail.com if anyone has any free!
- Pete Gilbert
s8726319@gmail.com , thanks for your invite !
- nancy kao
libyano@gmail.com
- Saeed Ashour
and hey, if you haven't already, please sign up here: https://services.google.com/fb.... Better to do it now than later... can't hurt :)
- Adam Lasnik
photografr@gmail.com
- Chris Nixon
000.cacarr@gmail.com
- Christopher A Carr
zekaikiran@gmail.com
- Zekai KIRAN
thomas.power@ecademy.com
- Thomas Power
arnet.92@gmail.com
- arnet
cristian {DOT} vidmar {AT} gmail {DOT} com - thanks in advance!
- Cristian Vidmar
selcuke@gmail.com please .thx
- Selcuk Ergin
scabrcom at gmail dot com
- Igor Poltavskiy
geert.conard@gmail.com
- Geert CONARD
krisu0100 [at] gmail.com
- Kristian Salonen
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
junal53@gmail.com
- Junal Rahman
lostmoya@gmail.com
- David Young
gtpinfobox[at]gmail[dot]com... plzzz, can i hav one invite *makes puppy face*
- Gtp19
matthias.debus [at] gmail [dot] com - Thanks!
- Matthias Debus
pls send me an invite on dharmubaba[at}gmail{dot]com
- Dharmesh
Have you got a Google Wave invite? Please send me one! selcuke@gmail.com :)
- Selcuk Ergin
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands (and please send me a Wave Invite) zacrabah@gmail.com
- ZacRabah
docdemon at gmail.com.
- Dennis Jernberg
keyboardbreaker at gmail.com
- Iain Baker
alperekiz at gmail.com
- Alper
sercanvirlan@gmail.com hey who invites me ?
- Sercan Virlan
mfelat at gmail dot com
- mesut felat
dajdavies at gmail.com
- Andy Davies
aydogdu13 -_at_- gmail.com
- Ugur Aydogdu (jnbn)
bahaid at gmail.com
- Kilian
arwengrim@gmail.com i'd love an invite!
- Patrik Arwengrim
niman24atgmail.com
- Stian Torgersen
i'm waiting for months please an #invite m.furkantunali [\at/] gmail.com
- Furkan Tunalı
matteocampofiorito@gmail.com
- Matteo Campofiorito
I would love to have one: patrik.bjorn.johansson AT gmail DOT com :)
- Patrik Johansson
yunust at gmail please.. thanks..
- Yunus Tunak
could you send invitation to koraym /@/ gmail .com address please ? =) Thank You!
- siniradam
ludwig.gatzke [at] gmail.com Thank You! :)
- Ludwig
veovix [at] gmail [dot] com - I'll be your best friend!! :)
- veo
jmatalon
- Jacque
yildirayatas (at) gmail (dot) com
- Yıldıray Ataş
bkoknar@gmail.com
- morkedipatisi
fsakbas@gmail.com
- F.Selçuk AKBAŞ
paulasimoes [at] gmail [dot] com
- paula simoes ☃
inkoola#gmail.com
- qibo
a7med.magdy[at]gmail[DOT]com
- Ahmed Magdy (Pr0fess0rX)
chrisloft@chrisloft.com - great idea Kol, fingers crossed -/
- Chris Loft
pamirg@gmail.com
- Pamir Gündüz
angelo.mariano@gmail.com please invite me
- Angelo Mariano
melamerito@gmail.com :D
- Andre Fvini
Thanks and i want one ,my mail is: bao3.cn[at]gmail.com
- 黑莓极至
ibgeronimo[at]gmail[dot]com
- jan geronimo
cristianconti -at- gmail.com
- Cristian Conti
hndrk.nmnn@gmail.com - Thank you!
- Hendrik Neumann
piotto [@] gmail.com thank you a lot!!
- Matte
wilka.hudson@gmail.com - cheers muchly!
- Wilka Hudson
newelvin [at] gmail.com - Thank you!
- Elvin
This isn't working...over in the UK we have decided it's all a late April Fool's joke.
- Pete Gilbert
buckflow@gmail.com please ;-)
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
I want one. (.==@, @==^) siva@rs^gmail.com
- siva s
darkiself@gmail.com pls.
- Ergin
yassersouri@gmail.com
- میکرودامپ
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ysabel Legaspi
mdfidler[@]gmail.com Thanks Kol!
- Michael Fidler
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
kicha1978{@}gmail.com. Thx :)
- Krishnamoorthy
Please nominate me? petegilbert@gmail.com :)
- Pete Gilbert
soxgal@gmail.com - gracias!
- Sally Robinson
mdduru > gmail dot com - thanks in advance.
- Durukan Duru
anil(at)anileren.com
- Anıl Eren
cjj1019 [at] gmail.com thanks
- telefan
itslebigz_at_g mail com thank you!!
- Le Big Z
emailforhelp.thomson@gmail.com please please and thank you
- Richard Thomson
vince.degeorge AT gmail.com - Thank you!
- Vince DeGeorge
philoglot(A)gmail(*)com, pleeease. :)
- Rodrigo
emailforhelp.thomson@gmail.com please
- Richard Thomson
vahid.archography@gmail.com
- Solaris™
gdalziel@gmail.com
- Glenn Slaven
need invite:) selcuke@gmail.com
- Selcuk Ergin
Late to the party, but would love one demoncatch@gmail.com
- Alan Simpson
rfavini[at]gmail[dot]com, thanks in advance :D
- Roberto aka postoditacco
chiara.silvestri@gmail.com
- candy
saghee1@gmail.com - I need an invite too, tanx
- Saghee
oskarnrk@gmail.com - thanks! :D
- Oskar NRK
tosh54 at gmail.com Thanks!
- Peter Hoffmann
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
koukopoulos at gmail.com
- Kostantinos Koukopoulos
librarysupporter@gmail.com pretty please?
- MLx
Oooo yes please jon.pittock@gmail.com
- Jon
Pretty please with sugar on top? OneLuvGurl@gmail.com
- April May
i'd like an invite if anyone has one to spar. i'm wardseward(you know the rest). thanks!
- Ward Seward
any generous soul: afcontact@gmail.com THANKS!!!
- Arnaud Fischer
deniz.gurbuz@gmail.com thanks mate!!
- Deniz Gürbüz
cabvolt@gmail.com thanks in advance and toodlepip and all that..
- sean808080
possible248@gmail.com :D
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I'd love a Google Wave invite. cindy.stanford [@] gmail.com
- Cindy Stanford ~ hci
from fftogo
Can I play too, please? nzbuu1 [at] gmail.com
- James Myatt
alessandro.minin gmail and all the other stuff
- scriptabanane
greg.smithsa@gmail.com - thanks !
- Greg Smith
vinod1980 at gmail dot com please send me one.
- vinod
please send me inv. : mustafayasinhalici@gmail.com
- Mustafa Y. Halici
same :(
- Jay
bobonline at gmail.com
- Bob Wilson
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- Quackofdawn
darius.mdev at gmail.com
- Matthew DeVries
jpiercy@gmail.com
- johnpiercy
mertheper@gmail.com thanks !
- mert
.... danielsoar at gmail.com
- Dnl
Please invite me: marklayton at gmail.com
- Mark Layton
marco.bonomo@gmail.com thanks!
- Marco Bonomo <radel>
hbemisschurtz at gmail... hope to wave with education in mind .. thanks, Kol;)
- Holly Rae, FFer
from BuddyFeed
alideemir(@)hotmail.co.uk
- Ali Demirci
jason (dot) a (dot) castillo at the gmail
- JA Castillo
daryl@learnscapepro.com
- Daryl Hunt on FF
cih95.exe (at)gmail (dot) com Please Invite
- wincih (NET ÖKÜZÜ)
I would love an invite. barryowens(@)gmail.com
- Barry Owens
from iPhone
Invite tehKenny, plz parkingstones(@)gmail.com.
- teh Dork Knight
jokin.lacalle (at) jakintza.net
- Jokin Lacalle
Anyone have an invite to share? whumesatgmaildotcom Thanks.
- Will-Pastor of FF
If there's any left: christopher.owen at gmail.com
- Christopher Owen
Send one to rutger.blomatgmail.com. Thanks
- Rutger Blom
aamanlamba@gmail.com - I had a wave sandbox, but seem to have forgotten my password and they've got poor support, Google-style
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Memememememe!!! hedwyg at gmail dot com
- Ladybug Heather
I'd really love one - Wave is the coolest!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
invite please. zlatko.zivlak@gmail.com
- zlatko zivlak
link2future (@) gmail.com
- Sahandram
jordanpw at gmail
- Patrick Jordan
aloneart@gmail.com
- yakoo
andrea DOT romoli AT gmail DOT com
- Andrea Romoli
alain DOT geenrits AT gmail DOT com or alain AT geenrits DOT net (Google apps hosted)
- alaingeenrits
farzaam.net@gmail.com
- farzaam
rmorrill@gmail.com thanks, although probably too late.
- Alternating Reality Books
weaver423@gmail.com
- Tony, Paradox of FF
butriga at gmail dot com
- Angelo
norba1@gmail.com
- TheNorba
logical.extremes{at}gmail{dot}com
- LogEx
If you have any left, please can I have one? (tyson.key@gmail.com). Thanks.
- Tyson Key
would love an invite - liechti@gmail.com
- Martin Liechti
I am vmnayyar@googlewave.com
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
brian.j.krueger@gmail.com
- Brian Krueger - LabSpaces
me too? ctaloi@gmail.com
- Christopher Aloi
On the off chance - onegear1972[at]gmail[dot]com
- 1x29
Please^^ dahiicocuk@gmail.com
- dahiçocuk
miiisagh[at]gmail.com
- Misagh
jagrap at gmail.com
- RAPatton
jordanbrock@gmail.com
- Jordan Brock
i don't think there is anymore left but theaob[@]gmail.com
- Onur Baykal
this thread is spammers paradise but [shedali at gmail dot com]
- Franz Sittampalam
Beau at liening . us
- Beau "Slick Foot" Liening
from iPhone
mark.d.vandenberg at gmail
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Please Please Please Please ( mhd.badi@gmail.com ) Please Please
- FFTornado
Purdy Please! (expecting [dot] rain)
- Jeremy Kunz
please?:) msnoulten@gmail.com
- Matt Snoulten
jamar78@gmail.com if its not too late...
- jamar78
ueritemarg@gmail.com
- Marg Uerite
andrew@leahey.org if you please, will give back to this list
- Andrew Leahey
tmcclanahan@gmail.com
- Teel McClanahan III
Please, and thanks in advance.. mightyfib@gmail.com...
- Jeannette Høvring
please send me one...thanks! http://scr.im/webgirltj
- Terry Johnson
jasonw22 at gmail
- Jason Wehmhoener
ahrob19[at]gmail.com ... here is to dreaming of a wave!!
- Amani
Thanks zsafwan at gmail dot com
- zsafwan
Thanks pengwen [dot] not [dot] penguin [at] gmail [dot] com
- Parvez Halim
If there's any left! kahlanmnel at gmail dot com
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
dahiicocuk@gmail.com thanks:))
- dahiçocuk
fsakbas@gmail.com
- F.Selçuk AKBAŞ
griffith.pt@gmail.com thank you in advance!
- Marco Jardim
prosman@gmail.com
- Osman Erdoğan
semihmasat ( at ) gmail.com
- Semih Masat ™
rkshinobi@gmail.com Thanks :D
- RK
ageor7 at gmail dot com, thanks :)
- Alexandros Georgiadis
juanpg at gmail dot com, thanks as well!
- Juan Pablo González
citro06 at gmail.com, thanks!
- Citronella
batduccio at gmail dot com - thanks
- batduccio
braden.douglass [at] gmail [dot] com
- Braden Douglass
vjf111@gmail.com - Thanks
- Vincent Fry
charbax@gmail.com Thanks!! Wave is revolution!
- Charbax
kreg.steppe (at) gmail dot com .. Please?
- Kreg Steppe
jianyuan [at] gmail - thank you!
- Jyuan
francois dot granger at gmail dot com
- François Granger
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
Russellreno at Gmail.com
- Russellreno
stevebryson@gmail.com - Karma will bless you abundantly. Thanks!
- eEditor
slowfinger at quidtum.it, please.
- Slow
michelle.girl2fall4[at]gmail[dot]com I really didn't want one till everyone started talking about it!
- Michelle Marie Miller
ernbstn [invite] gmail.com
- Eren BOSTAN
bob.morris@googlewave.com. Have a few invites, also, please add me as contact
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Hey bob morris, can you invite me ? tagyboy at gmail dot com !
- fwed
apleyden (at) gmail.com
- Andrew Leyden
myturkey AltGr + Q gmail.com
- Varol AKSOY
@Bob Morris please! (above)
- Slow
what a long list! steve at sharpers dot com please!
- Steve
this list seems hopeless, but I'm firstname.lastname@gmail.com
- Laura Norvig
WTB: Google wave invites, will trade for 200 gmail invites :) chatman31@gmail.com
- Man Of Chat
manielse[at]gmail[dot]com thanks!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Plz. Invite me on Google Wave. Am i on a HIGH?
- Nitin Nanivadekar
bizsumpark182@gmail.com; I still don't know what to think about it, but I really want to test it out.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Welcome an invite at jackstone3643@googlemail.com. Thanks.
- Jack Stone
Hey! sappho at gmail, thanks in advance to anyone who send it out.
- Priscila Zanuzzo
vincentxcode@gmail.com
- Vincent X
tamara.weinstein@gmail.com Thanks for the thread Kol!
- Tamara
paulwhit@gmail.com - prz? :)
- Paul Whitaker
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
hell, why not: jamiesmind@gmail.com
- Jamie Mack
Please!! jrblazespam at gmail dot com
- Jeff
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
mc@audiocloud.org (Google Apps account)
- Cloud
mrtbzkrt at gmail.com thanks
- Aquacultural (Mert)
alan.le at gmail.com
- Alan Le
nursel.zdemir@gmail.com
- nursel
ibrahimuzun /// gmail.com
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
robynahawk - you know the rest! ;-b this is me - always late to the party!
- Robyn Hawk
Here I am super duper late. sound [dot] of [dot] dust [at] gmail [dot] com. I know the email is a pain.
- Faraz Mullick
Looking for wave invite to use in Vegan centered site hook a vegge brother up, jtwilkins *AT* gmail *DOT* com
- Josh Wilkins
Invite me please mthwsnd01@gmail.com
- Ned Garcia-Mathews
gah, I'm so late but I need one. kmward (at) gmail (dot) com
- Kate
I'm at jwilliams [at] live [dot] com but with the length of this thread I'm not holding my breath. Lol
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
jacopo.paoletti@gmail.com
- Jacopo Paoletti
payne.lucius@gmail.com please? C-:
- Lucius Payne
gattoo at gmail dot com
- Nitin Nanivadekar
brallsplp@gmail.com much appreciated
- Brian
amitnangare@gmail.com thanks....
- Amit Nangare
demircancelebi@gmail.com
- Demircan Celebi
onur[et]sharebus.com
- OnuRC
itsmyjoyride @ gmail . com
- Mac Sharp
adolfo at nerdstlaker .com please
- adolfo foronda
barijaona ... gmail ... com
- Barijaona Ramaholimihaso
mike.hellers at gmail.com thanks.
- Mike Hellers
Wow, with all the people here, the chances of getting one is slim. Still, there's no hurt in trying... phoenix713[at]gmail[dot]com
- Eduardo Ruiz
wordsforliving@gmail.com - DRAT! I'm last in line!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
niguel[dot]valley@gmail[dot]com
- Valley
LOL, One could build a good spam email list from this post!!!!
- Brian
stan.thieman at gmail.com
- Rodzilla
louisrbourque@gmail.com - an invite would be greatly appreciated, and I'll pass it on! Thanks
- Louis Bourque
from iPod
can you send me invite for google wave to i.igors (at) gmail (dot) com
- Igor Krstev
If any kind soul has an invite to spare, it would be gratefully received and shared on once GOOG get around to inviting me in. :-) The key piece of information belatedly being andy.bold@gmail.com kthxbai
- Andy Bold
Looking for one myself at alexscrivener (at) gmail (dot) com
- Alex Scrivener
sopmac21379@gmail.com
- Ivan Campos
erdem.g ⓐ gmail
- Erdëm [virtus] GULTEKIN
lara.ak@gmail.com
- poker face
looking for an invite - ritup2@gmail.com
- Ritu
axin.on [att] googlemail [dott] com
- Achim Brueck
Wow, thanks in advance! ryanpc@gmail.com
- Ryan Christensen
I would love an invite： xiatwo[at]gmail.com
- Dalek
christopher.hewlett@gmail.com Thanks!
- Chris
tom@thomashawk.com
- Thomas Hawk
Thank you very much! tkpglobal@gmail.com
- Leslie Carothers
wow.... even Thomas Hawk doesn't have an invite yet or atleast seems like it... I feel better now :)
- Amit Nangare
I would definitely appreciate an invite, if you have one to spare... bette.cooper@gmail.com
- Bette Cooper
etoelle@gmail.com - Please and thank you!!!
- Erica Toelle
I'd love one but I can't even get subscribers on here so I anticipate failure. :-( scurran24@gmail.com
- Simon Curran
silverhage@gmail.com - Thanks everyone, really looking forward to trying google wave.
- Silver Hage
To everyone thanks from PR, waiting for the wave richietj77@gmail.com
- Juan R Perez
Erenkumcuoglu@gmail.com thanks in advance.
- Eren Kumcuoğlu
from iPhone
Please, gwydion[at]oletros[dot]com
- Iñaki Rodriguez
/me is tired to see this post at the top of his home :)
- fwed
giving out my invites -> http://brudtkuhl.com/want-a-...
- andy brudtkuhl
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
jamesrhull {at} gmail
- James Hull
prguy85 at gmail
- Manuel Mas
If anyone has a Google Wave invite to share I would like one. ampptt (at) gmail
- Robert Anderson
I so want one... drusoicy <at> gmail.com
- Andru Edwards
I'd like one, too. ha3rvey at gmail
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
sd11208 at gmail thanks.
- Stalyn☂
d.patti (at) email.it thanks!
- Davide Patti
navid.htb att gmail Thanks
- Navid Ht
mithandir at gmail dot com
- Marius Quadflieg
Pretty please. richardlusk at gmail
- Richard
like it,allwell at gmail dot com
- coze
fatmazehra@gmail.com
- FZ
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Vezquex: God of FF
sculptor [at] gmail.com thank you!)
- Habi
teekotkl [at] gmail.com thank's!
- Teeko
Yes please.... cherkoff at gmail ;-)
- James Cherkoff
joe.azzara@gmail.com
- Joe Azzara
all good now
- metalerik
tukonx@gmail.com thanks!
- Chris Reichow
asif328462@gmail.com ...thanks in advance for an invite...
- Asif
koaxil@gmail.com thanks a lot!
- коаксильчег
lifeofjim@gmail.com thanks in advance!
- James Campbell
from iPhone
at gmail dot com I'm suezanne
- SuezanneC Baskerville
tateblaze @ gmail dot com
- Tate DA FF MVP
christophe.ceccon AT gmail.com thanks a lot!
- Christophe Ceccon
who have wave invite ?
- Sinan İŞLER
right everbody write self mail but who have ?! :D come on google !!!!!! see the ff :D
- Sinan İŞLER
gecici@oceangray.net - send please.
- Muhammet K. (oceangray)
joe.dawsons@gmail.com x
- Joe Dawson
If someone can send an invite to azuckerscharff@gmail.com I'd be much obliged. I'd really love to check out Wave.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
plzzz libyano@gmail.com
- Saeed Ashour
ggelardi at gmail dot com, thanks in advance
- giorgio gelardi
navid.htb att gmail :-)
- Navid Ht
Thanks Krazy! john dot mcgeehan at gmail dot com
- John McGeehan
gobozov@gmail.com Thank you
- Kaspar Minosiants
timepilot68 at gmail dot com, thx!!
- timepilot
1jsr86@gmail.com .. Thanks!
- Yourmagz
Shmoetheho [at] gmail dot com -- much appreciated! Will reciprocate.
- Mike Kogelman
from iPhone
halilazak at gmail dot com i ll be happy to try wave .. thanks..
- ♪♫ halil ♪♫
If anybody still has one, I'd be happy to have one if you wouldn't mind. zach @ zachflauaus.com
- Zach Flauaus
cargun [at] gmail dot com, please wave me...
- Cem ARGUN
thattalldude [at] gmail [dot] com
- Shawn Kirsch
pbeugnot@gmail.com
- Pierre Beugnot
from Android
sd11208 at gmail dot come
- Stalyn☂
marcojperez@gmail.com
- Marco
brnwatkins at gmail dot com
- Brian Watkins
vizpix at g mail dot com TIA!
- daviza
nixnet [at] gmail [dot] com
- Paul Nixon
I have an Audible Credit for someone that wants to shoot me an Invite ..
- johnpiercy
Audible Credit for a GW invite jpiercy@gmail.com
- johnpiercy
slippy.lane@gmail.com would like an invite ... and some friends, lol
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
plz send me too - kanidor [at] gmail [dot] com - thx
- Rydhold
proglot at gmail dot com
- Vadim Smelyansky
ourhomeplanet@gmail.com
- Nick Soden
Would like one if there's one to spare. :) rowlikeagirl [@] gmail.com.
- rowlikeagirl, hecho en eu
billgiltner at gmail.com
- bill giltner
kr.doyle@gmail.com - Many Thanks!
- Kevin Doyle
blogbloke@gmail.com Please send the Blog Bloke an invite. Thanks muchly!
- BLOGBloke
I would love one sweyn3 [at] gmail [dot] com
- Sweyn Venderbush
kidlay16 [at] gmail [dot] com thank
- Larry T. Ruiz
jlarche [at] who else? [dot] com. Thanks!!!
- Jeff Larche
jason.charnov@gmail.com THX!!!
- Jason
scottph at gmail.com
- Scott Phillips
This is probably futile, but it can't hurt: SphereCat1@gmail.com. I'll love you forever! Or at least for a week. Whatever.
- Billy Doyle
boqing@gmail.com |Thx!
- shallop
coffeenated@gmail.com
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
rivahratt@gmail.com
- Stephen
rpa4email@gmail.com
- Robert Couture
meemmtype at gmail dot com Thank you!
- Jonathan Kong
paul.mccord [@] gmail dot com
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
I would also like an invite if anyone has one -> aaron915 at gmail.com
- Aaron Berman
I'll take one if you can give it...desktopsbyduck@gmail.com
- RICHARD E. MOORE
id love an invite - allen074 - at - gmail.com - thank you
- Allen Stern
john.seals@gmail.com
- John Seals
one for feeling.zen@gmail.com please!
- Jason
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
I've been on Twitter all day trying to get one, I'd love it if my day can end by me finally getting an invitation :) I'll be sure to send some invites to other people in this thread! andryou@gmail.com
- andryou
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
johnsr4@gmail.com PLEASE!
- John Rath
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
cygnion at gmail.com woah mate.
- hellonm
ericsizemore at geeeemaill - thank you!
- Eric Sizemore
john.kitchen@ Thanks in anticipation!!
- John Kitchen
Ryan.Singer@gmail.com Thanks!
- Ryan Singer
ebruerdem@gmail.com please invite me:)
- Ebru ERDEM
Adding to the list -- john.spyers at gmail.com
- John Spyers
mishef [@] gmail dot com -- Thanks!
- techWALL
Would realy like to get an invite: mithandir at gmail.com
- Marius Quadflieg
legrand at gmail.com — Thanks!
- Mathieu
sajidahinakhan at gmail
- Sajida H Khan
fatihkurtoglu@gmail.com
- M Fatih Kurtoglu
wiivanil (at) gmail.com
- Ivan Carlesso
thailunn (at) gmail.com thanx !
- Taylan Kılıç
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
zybler <AT> gmail.com
- Hao Wooi Lim
Would appreciate an invite. joe@joeperrin.com (Thanks!)
- Joe Perrin
selyay@gmail.com thanx
- olmayanaergi
can anyone please invite me? I'd love to have a play with wave! ian@ianrathbone.com
- Ian Rathbone
Would LOVE an invite. bizservicesbroker at gmail dot com
- Wazza T
gladstone at gmail.com
- Gladstone
killahkrew (at) gmail (dot) com
- Sebastian
cornelius<DOT>toole<AT>gmail<DOT>com
- Cornelius Toole
Please pretty please....jazzjeppe AT gmail.com
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Please... luthiano [at] gmail [dot] com
- Luthiano Vasconcelos
nico[dot]morgan[at]gmail.com - many thanks!
- Nico
imran3000(at)gmail.com......thanks
- imran
An invite would be much appreciated: daveholmesprojects (at) gmail.com Thanks.
- David Holmes
Guys, try this: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
andyzweb@gmail.com
- Andrew Euell
laetSgo{at}gmail{dot}com... can't wait !!! have to :-(
- laetSgo
Me me me ... sam@lavacoms.com
- Sam Stone
lhasa(dot)jack(at)gmail(dot)com !! Thanks!!
- Jack Lhasa
sd11208 at gmail dot come
- Stalyn☂
romanzolotarev@gmail.com
- Roman Zolotarev
mehrdad_network@hotmail.com :( thanks
- Mehrdad Nayeb
ozcelik@gmail.com
- gökhan özçelik
khawro@gmail.com
- Konrad
jazzjeppeATgmail.com
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
reza.ahmadi.co[AT]gmail.com
- سینه سرخ
hurstel[AT]gmail.com
- hurstel
srikyada at gmail dot com
- Srikanth
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
siavash [dot] tehrani [at] Gmail.com ... thanks
- خان دایی سیا
evansims at gmail dot com. Thanks!
- Evan Sims
@marziah If you receive a second invite you could fwd the invite link to another person here :)
- Bicentennial (Franc)
psiketto AT gmail DOT com. thanks. ;)
- Andrea | pSiko
ali.aliakbary@ (Gmail.com) tnx
- Conformist بـی نظرگـاه ™
ayoubi [at] gmail [.dot.] com
- Soroush Ayoubi
msnoulten@gmail.com please?:)
- Matt Snoulten
alex.kh58@gmail.com if I get an invitation I'll...
- Amin
karmacomincAT gmail dot com Thanks !!
- Karma Martell
Hello I would like a google wave invite. my email is philliptombs@gmail.com
- ZOD
much appreciate a kind invite: foistudy@gmail.com
- reedman
doauto [@] gmail.com
- neswell
MR.foolish @ gmail.com PLEASE
- Joe
ace0cc AT gmail.com <3
- Colby
got an invite today, so I deleted my comment above. Thks anyway.
- François Dongier
I'd really appreciate an invite. 4 phlebas at google mail dot com
- Sung W. Lim
praveenvasudevis at gmail dot com. thanks!
- Praveen Vasudev
I've had three nominations already and still no invite :( What's up with that Google? :(
- RK
zerdale @ gmail.com
- Ayhan Kocak
eric77lv@gmail.com
- Eric M.
vdoria92@gmail.com
- Vincent D'Oria
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
kosmoh@gmail.com
- Константин
stefan.grosz at gmail.com thanks very much.
- Stefan Grosz
mattb4rd@gmail.com
- Mattb4rd
time2die4u@gmail.com - thanks a lot
- time2die
stefigno @ gmail . com -thanks.
- Stefigno
fabiocurzi @ gmail . com
- Fabio Curzi
silaoglu@gmail.com
- Sarper Sılaoğlu
hossini.h@gmail.com
- حسن حسینی
salah201085@gmail.com can i have an invitation plz
- salah
refugee_an@Hotmail.com Thanks!!!
- China Internet Rumors
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
If there are still invites left daryl@learnscape.com.au
- Daryl Hunt on FF
khawro at gmail.com
- Konrad
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- Walt Ruppar
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
dsenior at the gmail
- Dave Senior
I'll give this a try: j.linkola at gmail - anyone have invites left?
- Jussi Linkola
Anyone can provide a Google Wave invite? bmtrocks@gmail.com
- Brian
Hi guys I realy Waiting impatiently, but still have no invite... can anybody sent me invite please please simplisityzehra@gmail.com thanks in advance
- Zehra
firatdemirel at gmail.com just needs an invite for Gwave. Thanks.
- Fırat DEMİREL
Does anyone have an invite to share? Can you send it to v9y.rec at gmail.com please? Thanks.
- Vinay | विनय
Can somebody send an ivitation to terror@gmail.com . Thanks in advance.
- Yiğit
Please send an invitation to me at trivedi.knz@gmail.com. I got tired waiting.
- Kandarp Trivedi
I'll be glad to invite others on this thread once I get mine. Thanks in advance.. Keep the thread alive.
- Kandarp Trivedi
rodgerdb@gmail.com ha oh man am I late to this thread =( Here's to hoping!
- Rodger Ballard
really need one, would be so grateful thacker90184@gmail.com
- brandon
I want Google Wave invite too, please sent it to: ric4p5 {at} gmail [dot] com Thanks
- jose manuel
If anyone has invites, could I have one please? tekked - gmail.com
- TechKid
Thanks in advance mgkbull(at)gmail.com
- Bull
In case there is still someone with spare invitations: piotr.byzia at gmail.com
- Piotr Byzia
teeeya@gmail.com - Anyone with a sparee invite and feeling generous! (thank you thank you thank you in advance!!!) :D
- Simply Teeeya
Anyone with a spare would be my hero! Someone bought out my buddy who was going to give me one. robert@idealfusion.com
- Robert Coombs
antonyat AT gmail DOT com If anyone sends me an invite, I thank you greatly - if I receive an invite, I'll make sure to return to this thread :).
- Antony Jepson
Heh :d Majid.aligol@live.com Heh :D
- majid
Please send invitation to me: aminsabeti@ Gmail. Com
- Amin Sabeti
from iPhone
If anyone has a spare invite - please send me one: crystaleagle@gmail.com -- many thxs :)
- Frank Da Silva
Hooman.Moeen [at] Gmail [dot] com
- هومن معین
omega_fire2004 [ at] yahoo [dot ] com
- alirz
ragcaoili {at] gmail [dot} com
- Robert Agcaoili
I have Google Wave invites available anyone interested let me know
- Kim Landwehr
kingnightstar@gmail.com plz send me google Wave invites
- Night Star
Id like an invite
- Robert Agcaoili
from email
Still waiting for an invite. :-(
- MicahBear78
amir60@gmail.com
- amir farahani
COULD SOMEONE SEND ME AN INVITATION: EMAIL: khoshzaban.s@gmail.com
- benedict
I am really desprate for this!!!! email: khoshzaban.s@gmail.com
- benedict
Could you invite me to wave please? I will invite anyone you want after i get invited! khoshzaban.s@gmail.com
- benedict
vickywoozy@gmail.com Thanks a lot~
- vickywoo
hozhabr.s@gmail.com
- Hozhabr
gabelerner@gmail.com thanks!
- gabegabe
Can I Get one keroque@gmail.com Thank You !!
- Prasad Panthanghi
crying.loser@gmail.com
- random person
karmacomincATgmailDOTcom Muchas Gracias
- Karma Martell
simoneau.louis@gmail.com Much thanks if anyone has any!
- Louis Simoneau
seaverq@gmail.com
- Mr.Seaver
Still need an invite, please. msnoulten@gmail.com
- Matt Snoulten
rl_chap@hotmail.com ... feel so left out without wave!
- Richard Lishingman
maxphoto85 [at] gmail [dot] com, thanks.
- Max Batsyn
leonid.vladimir [@] g m a i l . c o m Thanks a lot
- Leonid Vladimir
jdblaich[@]gmail dot com -- much appreciated.
- jimbo99
Got one from Trish a couple days ago. Now, looking for folks to wave with: marybaumcreative (at) googlewave (dotcom).
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
scott.j.emerson[at]gmail[dot]com Thanks
- Scott Emerson
If you have any more invites, I would love one.
- Wayne Ramlogan
milad2h[@]hotmail[dot]com thanks
- Milad
No 4.ºano nem todos sabem quando usar "nós" e "noz". Investigador preocupado com atraso das crianças na leitura. Falta formação dos pais e dos professores, aponta. http://jornal.publico.clix.pt/noticia...
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O que não é propriamente uma alegria, pois não?
- Susana Sousa
Quanto mais burros melhor, mais facilmente acatam as ordens da elite governativa! Como dizia este senhor, John D. Rockefellar, não por coincidência Founder of the National Education Association; "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers."; por cá também temos destes senhores...... Afinal de contas é mais fácil enganar alguém que não está preparado para pensar,para questionar....
- ovigia
"Mãe, posso comprar uns livros com o dinheiro do meu mealheiro?" :-)
- Susana Sousa
:D
- Carla Graça
Na Fnac, uma mãe para um filho há uns tempos: "Poupa os livros. São muito caros. Não os leias tão depressa"
- paula simoes ☃
Ela tem razão numa coisa: os livros são um bocado caros. Mas lê-los mais devagar para poupar!? Hum?!
- Bruno Miguel
Saca-os em pdf da internet, filho.
- Luis Canau
Não dão o mesmo prazer, mamã... ;-)
- Susana Sousa
Paula: Devias ter explicado à Sra que existem bibliotecas públicas... Coitadinha da criança :-(
- Susana Sousa
@ruimoura mas há algum sistema operativo que tenha dado esse salto revolucionário de uma geração para a outra?
bem, na rádio disseram que uma das grandes vantagens do windows 7 era aceder aos documentos do trabalho a partir de casa, através da internet...
- paula simoes ☃
As features estão aqui: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US...
- paula simoes ☃
Quais destas features ainda não existem noutros sistemas operativos?
- paula simoes ☃
Ou melhor, quais destas features consideras serem uma revolução?
- paula simoes ☃
está lá "upgrade from xp directly to 7" ?
- Carlos Canau
@canau isso não seria revolucionário, fazes upgrades saltando distros em linux... :-D
- paula simoes ☃
era humor :-D
- Carlos Canau
Guys, here's a serious question: Do you use linux and open source? Don't you? Why? Why not? (Especially for desktops and workstations)
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Serious answers please! I mean comments like "freetards!" or "We HAVE to pay for software" aren't serious — Also, gentle discussions between commenters are very welcome! Please be nice, cool and helpful - I'd really appreciate it :)
- directeur
I tried it. It had a horrible learning curve and very little community support for those trying to run Linux on Mac hardware.
- Spidra Webster
Spidra, I run Linux on macs :) Can I help? Also, I actually think that you probably tried some years ago, didn't you?
- directeur
I do is certain situations. For example, I have a service offering that integrates the Asterisk PBX. I am mostly MS on the desktop.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
I did for a short time. I had no compelling reason to stay with it.
- Internet's Tad
Thanks, Erid, I'm editing my post for "Desktop" and "Workstations"
- directeur
Community was sometimes a hassle to deal with until I discovered Ubuntu and the community that went along with it. Then I had wi-fi issues every new release. Then I had sound card issues. And as for open source software in general. i will use OO as an example. It truly sucks in terms of UI and overall power compared to Microsoft Office which I adore
- Holden Page
Yes - I use Linux and Open source for all my backend servers at the school I work at. Its all LAMP and its all AWS. This includes blogs, moodle, streaming media (a and v), and other support systems I need to run my section of the school. I can't imagine using anything else right now.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I do from shitty FAT flash drives that die after awhile. It was also on the home computer until my dad demanded his Micro$oft back. If I'm allowed to keep this laptop I'm using now, I'm going to do a format C:/ first thing and get some Debian on
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
I thought linux was open source (bows out cuz i'm clueless.)
- MicahBear78
Tad, did you miss something? for eg?
- directeur
Yeah, I was trying back in 2000 or so. Before OS X. I think people who like tinkering are fine with Linux. I just want my computer to WORK. I used to be a Mac power user back in OS 9 days and troubleshot stuff and did tech support. I'm tired of it. I just want to get shit done.
- Spidra Webster
@Micah - SCO - they have ideas on that. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Micah, duh! I meant other open source softawre beside Linux, Like BSD and other apps (not kernel)
- directeur
Linux because that's what I'm used to.
- Bruce Lewis
I use gnu/linux/open-source-software for my work and personal needs. Linux is awesome. Especially it's fast and stable for my development needs. (PHP, Python/Django.)
- Emre Yılmaz
Linux is great and all but it is still too complex for the average user,
- Hunter
It just didn't do anything for me. I'm more comfortable in Windows and OSX. I make a living writing software on the .NET framework. I toyed with Ruby on Rails for a while, and learned a lot, but I also learned that I could only make about half of what I'm making as a c# developer... I just have no need for Linux.
- Internet's Tad
I don't use Linux on the desktop because I don't consider gimp to be a sufficient replacement for Photoshop. That's the deal breaker. There are also other similar reasons that are less important.
- Jason Wehmhoener
On the server I am quite fond of BSD, debian, and Solaris.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I haven't found anything lacking in my OSX experience that I thought linux would have. I had considered a mythTV box for a while but boxee and plex have negated that need too.
- dthree
Yes, everywhere...except my macbook pro at home
- Bill Scherer
Yep, always, I use Linux on two flavours, Suse and Ubuntu. Unices in general are for people who value more broad networks and sharing to personal station and copyrights.
- Thierry Lhôte
Not on the desktop. I like playing games.
- Rodfather
i use for some reason like most security softwares (offensive security) work perfect on linux. and the desktops of linux? extremely cool =] on the other hand, i love graphical design stuffs and it's kinda meditation for me but most softwares i need does not work on linux yet. at least, not properly. also my graphic tablet does not work on linux. i can use it as a mouse but as a drawing tool i need pen pressure sensitivity and it does not work on linux. too bad =\
- emre dede ve haremi
I downloaded Ubuntu and installed it as dual boot with Vista, on a new Dell PC (with 2 hard drives). no issues.
- Mike Nencetti
Of course. It's the only environment I've seen that I can optimize to my workflow, rather than vice-versa. It's simpler, better-engineered, and far more customizable. Sadly, the graphics stack is sub-par as are most of the games, so for play I still have to use Windows.
- i80and
I use Linux Mint almost exclusively at home (I only boot Windows to sync my iPhone, my kids' iPod Touches and my Zune - the iPod Nano and the Creative Zen get synced from Linux). I boot XP in VirtualBox occasionally to check things in IE6 or to use MS Office. I use quite a bit of other open-source software (free and paid). I am a big advocate of open-source and Linux. As long as I can...
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- Curtiss Grymala
Mac is cool, Windows 7 is cool, but not fresh because overloaded with things and blahblah design we do not need for communication. Linux is still staying "fresh" even after hours of use. So LInux is best for intellectual work I presume.
- Thierry Lhôte
I love me some Linux and Open Source. Why? Transparency, mainly. Plus the software is usually super streamlined and as a consequence is not very resource intense. And I really love running at like 5% processor power.
- Miss Elle
Doh! My own answer! :) I use Linux (Debian Lenny) - I'm a kind of minimalist, I don't like to have to use gazzilions of apps (though linux haz dem too) But what I like more is that I am _aware_ of what's in my machine. I can do mostly anything that people do on other OSes (Now by anything I mean: do not compare apps, compare how we work and results of apps uses) And often I'm more...
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- directeur
Results aren't the only thing that matters. Efficiency is important as well when you are being paid by the hour. So is the ability to share files with colleagues. You can't completely dismiss the importance of apps.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, that's it actually (Posted my edit before) Sharing is easy for me. Why would it be hard?
- directeur
I like the Apps and U/X on OS X desktop much better, but you know that already.
- Cristo
directeur, I have some pretty complex PSDs. Can you edit them and send them back to me without messing them up?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Yes, I know Cristo :) yet you still have the power of the CLI too on OSX
- directeur
Yup, I use both, and ssh into a Linux server too. It's all good. I can imagine wanting to run Linux locally if you wanted to perfectly emulate your server on your desktop, but BSD on OS X is good enough for anything I need to do in that respect.
- Cristo
Jason - you're absolutely right about the fact that Photoshop is much more powerful than any alternatives. However, you've also contradicted yourself by using PSD files as an example. Can you share those complex PSD files with your clients? Most likely not. You said being able to share was most important for you, but then you cited a proprietary format that is not available to the majority of computer users (no matter their operating systems).
- Curtiss Grymala
Curtiss, if Jason and I wanted to work on the same PSD file, that would be sharing too, no? Giving files to clients is what Exporting and Save As is for.
- Cristo
Cristo - If directeur and I wanted to share the same XCF file, that would be sharing, too, no?
- Curtiss Grymala
I'd also like to answer for my Mom -- She loves Linux now that I've installed it on her desktop. I know her reason would be, "Because it just works." as the Puppy Linux LiveCD worked right off the boot-up and came with all the apps she ever wanted (well ... minus Skype ... but Gizmo was a good replacement). Also, she doesn't have to worry about malware, which consumed too many of her brain cycles.
- Miss Elle
Cristo, I think he means openness. Why would you expect everyone to own a copy of photoshop or whatever? Moreover, I think the Gimp can import PSD files too
- directeur
I did say "colleagues" and not "clients". I frequently share source format files with colleagues. (Colleagues who would laugh if I suggested they open an XCF using Gimp in order to do hourly paid design work)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Curtiss, not many design shops not using Photoshop or Fireworks. directeur, I'm pretty sure Jason and I are on the same page with this.
- Cristo
i just love linux and open source.
- Mengu
Jason what's laughable about it? I run a business and we all use Inkscape and the Gimp :/
- directeur
The Boyfriend does not line OpenSource. He's a total MacFanboi. His reason against the FLOSS were that he wanted the perceived status that comes with owning Apple products. Well marketed, Apple. Well marketed, indeed. Especially since OS X looks an awful lot like Ubuntu. (I assume it is different under the hood.)
- Miss Elle
Lots of gimp forum posts about errors with PSD files. directeur, you aren't working with my teammates.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@directeur - GIMP can import PSD though some of the blends don't import quite right.
- Miss Elle
Heh, thanks for the input Miss Elle! Linux doesn't have that kind of marketing, alas (or not?)
- directeur
The fact of the matter remains, though, that a lot of the "shareability" depends entirely on what you do for a living. I can share PHP files with anyone, no matter what system they're using or which editor they're working with because it's an open standard. However, you can only share PSD files with other colleagues that use Photoshop. For that matter, if you have CS4 and you use all of...
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- Curtiss Grymala
You know what's interesting? OS X includes a LOT of open source code.
- Jason Wehmhoener
If you think Linux looks like OS X, or that design shops use GIMP, then you aren't doing any pro design work.
- Cristo
Jason, so does Linux too ;-)
- directeur
Cristo you're definitely wrong! That's a genral statement by someone who apparently doesn't use this app a lot
- directeur
This is really kind of a silly discussion.
- Cristo
The GIMP is terrible at importing PSD files (especially with layers). However, PhotoShop isn't even capable (at least, out-of-the-box) of importing an XCF file. For that matter, it can't even import a PSP file, but Paint Shop Pro can fairly reliably import PSD files (it will rasterize vector elements, though - not implying that PSP is open-source, though).
- Curtiss Grymala
I really like the BSD license, because it allows open source code to live in harmony with commercial efforts. And ya, the conversation is kinda silly.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Well, let's be productive :) :re the conversation
- directeur
No...You can't run Office on *NIX and for me that's a non-starter.
- Alex Scoble
directeur, point us at a sample design of an entity that does most of their work in GIMP.
- Cristo
Alex, we're not talking about apps, but about what you want to do and how to do it
- directeur
I agree, directeur. Here's something productive for you - What does Adobe inDesign offer that's not available in Scribus? Very little. In fact, AFAIK, the only thing it doesn't offer that you can find in InDesign is a PMS matching system.
- Curtiss Grymala
I also think the BSD/Apache licenses are vastly superior to GPL and it's copyleft offshoots.
- Cristo
@Cristo - Though a LinuxLover at heart, I'll be the first to suggest that designers should use Apple. Apple seems to really nail the creative niche with its power to support graphic design, music, and movie softwares. I think there is enough room in the software world for a right fit for every need kind of thing and I'm not sure that Apple is always the right fit. Nor is Windows. Nor is Linux.
- Miss Elle
Cristo, I bet any opensource community does... anyway. I'd like to focus of what people need to do and how they achieve it, comparing apps is well, just silly
- directeur
Open source community projects generally suck at U/X design, particularly in the visual area. Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth.
- Cristo
There are actually a lot of design firms that use open-source tools to do their work. The overwhelming majority of artwork for major open-source projects (linux builds, etc.) is done with open-source tools. They don't all suck, Cristo. If they did, Windows and Mac wouldn't steal UI elements from Linux (yes, it works the other way, too, I know).
- Curtiss Grymala
You put MacPorts on OSX and you can build and run most open source apps. You can run X11 on OSX as well though its not exactly blazing fast. I have Mac, Linux and Windows boxes, Mac is best of most worlds so its my desktop now, Windows is for games, still have a Linux box I use remotely. I grew up on Unix and fled to Linux very early. Just got tired of Gnome/KDE nonsense, drivers not working right, especially audio. Open source just struggles doing desktop, GUI, Audio and consistent apps.
- Ed Millard
Miss Ellie, I agree. Linux is particularly good as a server OS or as a desktop that is doing server development.
- Cristo
Why? because they don't look eye-candied à la Apple? Cristo?
- directeur
directeur, because they look amateurish.
- Cristo
I always thought X had something to do with UX issues in unix-land. programming for X seems complex compared to UI programming on windows and OS X.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Although there are toolkits that would seem to help...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Cristo, heh :) We will never agree, I think.
- directeur
I use linux for my main computer. I also use Android for my mobile. I try and use open sourced projects whenever possible too.
- Kevin Mohr
UX stands for user experience. UI stands for user interface. UX has nothing to do with the X window environment.
- Curtiss Grymala
Seriously, guys, let's be productive tell me about usability. Not how cool apps look, My desktop (I don't have an actual desktop) is a black screen, no panels, no buttons, no menus, not even a wallpaper, nothing! and I do everything I need to do
- directeur
I always thought the Windows 95-esque GUI for Linux was because most of the apps are written by coders who, as code monkies, aren't very visually oriented individuals
- Miss Elle
Android is Apache 2, the superior license.
- Cristo
Miss Elle, I agree, and I wondered "why aren't some visually oriented individuals improving the situation?" and I think it's because it takes too much damn code to make a Linux UI.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Curtiss, I'm not sure Jason was implying there was a connection, other than the X windowing server may be used to implement the Linux user experience.
- Cristo
Miss Elle - what desktop environment and window manager are you using with linux? Not everything resembles Windows 95. In fact, KDE has a very slick look, especially when combined with the right window manager.
- Curtiss Grymala
directeur, i do a lot of things that cannot be done via CLI. Sorry, it's just a fact.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I'm never going to use an acronym for "user experience" again. gah.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Linux UI? Please stop these idées-reçues! The Linux desktop has changed since the 90's a LOT! @Jason, I'm using X with ratpoison, not only the CLI :)
- directeur
directeur, you're correct. I'm not going to switch from using OS X, which I love to use., to using Linux which I find amateurish from a U/X point of view. I'm not suggesting anyone stop using Linux as their desktop either.
- Cristo
Cristo, that's your right and you have answered your and this thread's question :) — "amateurish" is not an answer. It's a statement. Don't expect me to agree, think whatever you want :)
- directeur
Nothing I say is ever meant to be anything other than my opinion, unless I claim it as fact. :)
- Cristo
I use windows and some open source software. Why because I'm familiar with windows tools,and used visual studio for years- I got sick of makefiles for complex library builds, dependencies, etc
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Sorry for the misunderstanding, Jason. I thought you were implying that the "X" in UX was the problem, and relating that to the X graphic environment. My fault. Also, as I mentioned, I agree with you guys about PhotoShop (and I feel the same way about MS Office), but I was just trying to point out that you can't dismiss things out-of-hand just because you don't use them.
- Curtiss Grymala
I am using Gnome one one machine and KDE on the other. And while I've found ways to apply beautiful themes, that still doesn't save AbiWord or Blender or Gxine or Mplayer or a host of other apps interfaces which are stuck somewhere between Win95 and Win3.1. kPDF, on the other hand, does a good job, I think.
- Miss Elle
Curtiss, I actually think it's really cool that some folks use open source exclusively for design. I'm actually a little jealous, but my priorities are such that I can't get hung up on it. I use the tools I need to use to work with the people I want to work with.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Not sure I would say its amatuerish, inconsistent is probably a better word. There just aren't good standards and its to easy for open source coders to wander all over the map designing inconsistent UI, inconsistent hotkeys, drag and drop integration not working right etc. Apple has Interface Builder which is a dream to develop UI in, its why their apps tend to be consistent and good. If you stay within in Gnome or KDE apps the inconsistency isnt so bad but its just not as good as OSX.
- Ed Millard
For a really long time (pre vista) I had a dual boot of xp and freeBSD. I used windows for school projects where i was just too busy and lazy to work with programs that said they were Office/win compatible, but came out garbled on my un-computer friendly professor's pc. But I also remember every time I had a final paper due, win would crap out and I'd have to go into the linux partition...
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- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
That I understand, Miss Elle. As Ed just mentioned, it's more about inconsistency, actually. Depending on the apps you use, you can find the same phenomenon among closed-source, paid applications in Windows.
- Curtiss Grymala
Someone should make an open source Interface Builder like app.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Something like Glade? Jason?
- directeur
I don't know enough about Glade to compare it to IB. Has anyone else used both?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason - I completely understand. I am fortunate enough to have CS4 for work, but if it wasn't provided, I'd have no choice but to use free, open-source apps, as there's no way I could afford to buy CS4 out of my own pocket. That's why I try to keep up to date with those apps (in case I ever end up at a different job without CS4 at my disposal). Granted, I'm not a designer, but I do have to work with designers regularly.
- Curtiss Grymala
I think Qt/KDE has an interface designer but I haven't used it enough to say how good it is. Apple did just about everything right in Interface Builder. As long as Linux has so many different desktops, window managers, audio API's, GUI toolkits its just not going to be very friendly to app developers or your average end user. The whole KDE versus GNOME thing really messes it up as a desktop OS and makes it too fragmented.
- Ed Millard
@Curtiss -- I've noticed that, too. Again I think it is a case of "good coder, bad at GUI", but that OpenSource seems to encourage everyone to code it if they can think it. Whereas for the closed source operating systems there is typically a team working on the software and one member of the team is usually a GUI designer. When it is a volunteer team, as I've seen often with FLOSS, there is not that guarantee of a GUI designer having an input.
- Miss Elle
That's absolutely true, Miss Elle. As independent coders/developers, it can be extremely difficult to find designers that are willing to work for free. If we can't monetize our product (which is entirely possible with open-source, it's just extremely rare), we can't pay a designer. That's why we generally end up designing things ourselves (note - I am not a desktop application developer, I am a Web app developer, but the principle still applies).
- Curtiss Grymala
over 100 comments in an hour?
- Mike Nencetti
We better stop, otherwise people might think Friendfeed's not dead. :)
- Curtiss Grymala
:P Like your input, guys! :) Even people who don't agree with me #lookingAtCristo
- directeur
I had a flirting with Unix/Linux when I was in high-school. Then I got my first programming job and it was on Windows... And from that point on it was Windows. It's just what most corporate businesses environments use for the kind of applications that I write. So it makes sense for me to use Windows and not Linux. And I'm more comfortable doing so. I see no reason to switch.
- Her Lindsay-ness
(Should be inserted into the discussion, above.) In all fairness to Scribus, when I was Yearbook Adviser (I'm a teacher), we did our entire yearbook in Scribus and it looked just as good as the Adobe InDesign books. I turned out a whole staff of 30 kiddos trained in Scribus who are still using Scribus to this day. (I left that school for another that already had a Yearbook Adviser.)
- Miss Elle
Lindsay, why "switch"? Why not use and exepriement, maybe you'll be able to do different tasks better on an OS or another — I mean, give things a try. Or aren't you interested at all? :)
- directeur
Yes. I use Crunchbang on the Old Beast (desktop). I have used Linux Mint and Ubuntu previously. Linux seems to work better on the older machine than XP does.
- Steven Perez
I don't use Linux, but I do use a lot of open source software (esp., Firefox, GIMP, OpenOffice).
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I do enjoy some of the shared freedom of open source, and web programming. I'm not trapped by 14 years of libraries and portability issues with scala, php or other platform independent tools. I've heard scala/java is actually competitive with c++ for some numerical applications but I have yet to witness this first hand (it's always been slower in my experience)
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I use Ubuntu on most machines - my PC and HTPC at home, and my laptop at work. At home I mostly use Firefox, Pidgin and GIMP with UFRaw (which I find perfectly adequate for my personal photography). At work I do software design and development, with Evolution for accessing email from Exchange, and Java and Eclipse as the dev environment. Most of the team has switched over to Ubuntu in recent months because it's faster and more stable than Windows for the work we're doing.
- Edward Coffey
Thanks to this thread, I'm going to check out Scribus.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@directeur -- Not that you asked, but one of the things I'm doing to help the FLOSS movement is writing non-technical guides or tutorials for how to do basic functions on the software I use. I find that there is a general lack of 8th-grade-level documentation for programs which is why most people aren't adventurous. And it is a small way of giving back since I am not an artist nor a...
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- Miss Elle
Glad it helped, Jason! Folks, I really appreciated that this thread didn't turn into a flame war. Thanks a lot! :)
- directeur
I started using Linux around '98. It was fun. I tried a lot of different distros. However, I ended up working in a Microsoft world and began to focus on just using MS. While futzing around and rebuilding my OS was entertaining, I stopped doing that when I also got into gaming. Didn't have the space or money to run dual boot or multi-machines and by the time I did well... my only foray...
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- Arlan Koizumi
Yay! As someone who started out using Pagemaker 4 (and then onto 6.5, then to InDesign), I can say that Scribus is extremely impressive. Also, I felt I should clarify my statement about MS Office earlier. MS Word is really the only Office component I think is much better than open-source alternatives. The rest of Office is either matched or exceeded by open-source software.
- Curtiss Grymala
Miss Elle, I HIGHLY respect people like you! Code is a good thing, "educating" people is better IMHO. Thanks for all your work!
- directeur
That's awesome and enviable, Miss Elle. I've been tempted to do the same, but never really had enough ambition to follow through.
- Curtiss Grymala
StarOffice was awesome. I loved it. I tried getting into GIMP but man, it took a while (and still does >_>).
- Arlan Koizumi
I like Eclipse too. That is a great open source app. Doubt many Windows developers use and it unfortunately doesn't do Objective C yet so its not good for Cocoa development on iPhone and Mac yet. If you do Java or C/C++ its awesome across Linux, Mac and Window.
- Ed Millard
Eclipse is great.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@Arlan -- StarOffice was awesome. I actually really like OO.o 3.x series. I feel like it is getting back to what I wanted from an office suite. Have you checked it out lately?
- Miss Elle
Open Office is great, it just fails too often if you have to exchange writable docs with people using Word, or at least is has every time I've used it, the formatting always gets mess up, though maybe I'm a bad doc writter. If you just need to produce PDF's it is great.
- Ed Millard
Miss Elle, I might have but it would've been in the Neo Office conversion for Mac. There were a few things that bugged me. I haven't installed much on my Eee PC since getting Ubuntu on there as I mainly used it for social network monitoring, but I'll be sure to give it a looksie.
- Arlan Koizumi
For docs, call me an idiot, an old guy or anything, but I think that LaTeX is a very good choice. It's the perfect app which clearly separates content from the form/style. OpenOffice and MS Office do that too, but I really do think that documents rendered with LaTeX are superior in quality. Let alone the ease of exchange, we're talking about simple text files which can be edited anywhere with anything
- directeur
I had problems in Neo Office with docs with complex layouts (like my resume) but regular letters translated perfectly between NO and Word. Oh yeah, heard good stuff about LaTex but never tried it.
- Arlan Koizumi
That is great and all, but my professor for college english doesn't care that text document is editable anywhere :)
- Holden Page
from IM
Until OOO properly supports comments and tracked changes, I will still not be able to use it regularly (we use tracked changes for everything at work, and they are an extremely useful feature). I would love to, but I just can't without support for tracked changes.
- Curtiss Grymala
Holden, I guess your professor expects a printed doc, right? Also, if you can make your professor smarter, do it! You know in almost any good university some profs often require thesis rendered with LaTeX :)
- directeur
As my last word on this subject for the night, you guys should check out http://zwopper.deviantart.com/gallery... While they are all wallpapers, Zwopper does all of his artwork exclusively in the GIMP, and actually does a pretty nice job with quite a few of them.
- Curtiss Grymala
@directeur -- My problem with LaTeX was that I never could get it to render into PDF and could never find useful documentation written for my understanding level.
- Miss Elle
Absolutelly, Curtis! They're gorgeous!
- directeur
Miss Elle, that should be easy actually, do you have pdflatex?
- directeur
I don't have nearly as much patience for dicking around with my computer as I used to. Windows works, and when it doesn't, I know how to make it work. i've taken time to learn some linux things, but I just don't have time/patience
- Richard Lawler
I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and development environment for a decade now. I could never use Mac OS X or Windows as my primary environment any more. They just don't feel right to me. Linux installs are easier than Windows installs for me and trouble shooting is easier. Some things don't work for me now that I wish did (like using my bluetooth headphones), but everything...
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- Travis B. Hartwell
I use Linux on my home workstation. At work, I use it also as my main workstation, OSX on my laptop, and centos/redhat for the production servers. I'm a big supporter of open source.
- imabonehead
Mac OS X didn't really exist a decade ago (unless you used a NeXT machine). It's more honest to just say you're not interested in exploring it or that refined U/X is not the most important issue for you.
- Cristo
U/X is not good for me on OS X. There's something -- hard to pinpoint -- I don't know, "fussy" about the UI. I don't like it. I don't care how "refined" it is, or how much usability testing it's a product of.
- Christopher A Carr
No argument that it's not for everyone. But using it doesn't mean you don't appreciate Unix or open source either.
- Cristo
Ed: I've spent many hours on OS X. I'm used to it. To be "used to" OS X isn't necessarily to love the OS X UI, as Cristo might assume to be the case...
- Christopher A Carr
What am I assuming? I don't follow this.
- Cristo
I do Ubuntu. Plus I run a whole lot of open source software on Windows. I even like how the Wine compatibility layer allows me to run my Windows programs under Linux (there's a script called winetricks that imports your existing Windows programs' settings into the Wine registry, allowing you to run them without having to reinstall). I was going to triple boot my Dell with FreeDOS, but it (the Dell) is powerful enough that I can just run it emulated under either Windows or Linux.
- Dennis Jernberg
Cristo: I get the impression that you suppose that OS X's UI is so wonderful, that if one doesn't care for it, they must simply not be familiar with it. ...just a guess on my part.
- Christopher A Carr
This is a linux house for everything but the direct-tv dvr (which may also be linux for all I know), and we are using Ubuntu as the distro of choice. Well, more like that's what I installed, so that's what everyone is using.
- Grant Bierman
Christohper, no, I don't assume that. You might have mistaken my response to another commenter as meaning that though. I've seen UI disagreements since the early 80s, so I have no illusions about people having different tastes and biases. In fact, arguments for or against things like the menu bar at the top of the Mac desktop vs menus on windows as many other UIs have grown very...
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- Cristo
no adobe cs for linux
- minus-one
Yes, I use FLOSS. No, Linux is not my primary OS
- LANjackal
I use GNU/Linux because my work is done on a computer and I need a reliable operating system for that. Another reason is that my OS (I'm using ubuntu) is out-of-the-box, everything works (internet, printer, etc). Third reason, I can adapt my OS to my needs. Fourth reason, I like to keep my options open and GNU/Linux allows me to have all my contents in open formats, this way I feel more secure about accessing those contents in the future.
- paula simoes ☃
Everything I've heard tells me that macs are great,I'd love one. But I simply can't afford one that's recent enough to have the capabilities I want. So I dual boot Windows and Mint. Similarly I'm sure Photoshop CS4 is better than GIMP, but for a home user it's ridiculously expensive. The latest versions of Elements and PSP also cost more than I'm able to spend (it's that or prints). It's all as simple as that. As WINE improves the advantages of paying for Windows are decreasing as well.
- grraargh
@grraargh I had a mac, some years ago, I had so many problems (mostly hardware) I decided to never have a mac again
- paula simoes ☃
well, i've been running free software only, specially gnu/linux for about 11 years,since i get in touch with it when i was working on Lisbon Expo98 world fair; they were using it as mail and web server and it really worked so well that i thought that i had to try (they were using red hat 5.0/5.2) since i like to be different ;) i choose to install SuSE; but what i really liked was it's philosophy, since than i'm a huge fan of Free Livre Software. My favorite Distro, Debian :)
- ovigia
Sometimes..! I like Microsoft Applications usually.
- ★ Soner Gönül
I do. GNU/Linux is simply the most powerful OS out there, and that's the main reason. Besides, I prefer free software because it's the best software model there is :-)
- Marcos Marado
I have been using it for the better part of 9 years. When I first started using it I loved that you really had to get your hands dirty to make every thing to work just right. At the time I thought of it (FreeBSD 4.6) as the most stable programing platform and things like writing my own CVS file and compiling a Kernel for sound were a lot of fun. Later as I started playing with Linux...
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- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Linux is my primary OS. It's the PC that runs my Livingroom entertainment center and my family has adapted to it very well. My wife uses it to surf and handle business and my kids uses it to play games and watch movies...I use it to blog :)
- Anthony Farrior
Use Ubuntu and test out its alphas/betas almost every day.
- Manuel Mas
My HP laptop has some horrible WiFi problems that lead the machine to lock up. I successfully fixed it on Vista and I haven't been able to make it work on Linux yet. I run a Linux VM for development so I'm happy enough.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes both at work and at home - Ubuntu for desktop and laptop. We use as much open source software as we can - Firefox, Opera, DeskNow, OpenOffice.org, Gimp, Joomla and MaiaCMS (our programmer wrote & release to os community), Our close to 300 public computers are also running a version of Linux (http://groovix.com/) - why? Because we believe in giving our customers the best but also...
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- Mlibrarianus
@Mlibrarianus little correction: Opera is not open source, as well as DeskNow.
- Artemko
started learning linux years ago after finding webhosts were cheaper than winnt, and got some personal servers running with debian since it seemed compatible with most any old hardware. now using ubuntu for desktop since it includes recent software versions, and installation and upgrading are a breeze. for anyone that thinks linux desktop looks bad, check out screen shots of the latest visual options http://personal.utulsa.edu/~stuart...
- Mike Chelen
I use linux at home and work. Ubuntu on my desktop and laptop.
- Necati Demir
I use Ubuntu on the desktop. Have been for several years now. The latest releases have smoothed out most of the user experience glitches, and hardware support mostly just works (it is now frequently the case that Linux supports hardware out-of-the-box where Windows requires a dodgy driver). I find OpenOffice sufficient for most of my needs re: an office suite, but frankly I don't use it...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
Again thank you all for your comments, folks! Really nice to see people with different OSes discuss this subject in such a civilised way! (Which -won't we all agree?- is a rare thing) :)
- directeur
I don't use linux because of software compatibility issues (most of my mission-critical apps would have to be reinstalled and there's no compelling reason to do so). I use tons of open source stuff in Windows XP, though. Probably 70% of the software I use is open source, just not the OS.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Don't remember if I commented or not (and I'm too lazy to dig through 150 comments), but I use Linux mainly on servers. I do have a desktop environment on most of them that I'll use on occasion (I'm partial to KDE). But for the most part, I don't use Linux on the desktop. I run Mac OSX primarily, with a bevy of Open Source apps: Adium, Firefox, Cyberduck, Colloquy and OpenOffice are just a few I use regularly.
- Jason Huebel
I always do a Ctrl-F search for "- You" to see if I'm in on a thread ;)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jason, you'll know if you commented or not if it shows up in your My discussions, or if you liked it, whether it shows up in your comments.
- Cristo
I'm browsing the Best of Day list. I didn't "Like", but sometimes I forget to.
- Jason Huebel
I run an Ubuntu VM on my macbook pro, but OSX is the primary desktop. On the server, it's Linux all the way. Love open source, but like OSX more.
- Deepak Singh
@directeur - just saw your response to my comment and to answer your question: I have so many side projects and things going on with Windows development I don't have the time or energy to devote to the learning curve of another OS. Basically I can't even stand OSX and get majorly frustrated whenever I have to do anything on Tad's or Avynn's Macs, so I figure Linux is out of the...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
This question is very much like asking why you live in a brick apartment building in the city rather than in a log cabin in the woods. My first computer ran Windows 98 and I got used to things being a certain way. My second computer ran WinME and had a very short life, so i took my WinME and installed it on the older computer (it's still running it, and quite stable, although painfully...
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- April Russo (app103)
B-Boy & Daniel: check out the cleaner friendfeed script http://userstyles.org/styles... (via http://friendfeed.com/friendf...) which highlights your own comments making them easier to notice quickly
- Mike Chelen
April: thankfully though there is a standard method to install most any software in linux within a few minutes, for free, then have it automatically updated if you like it, or uninstall and move on to the next. there is a lot of good software available, gedit is one example (check out all the useful options if you haven't already), though finding which is best suited to you can take time
- Mike Chelen
None of the special purpose signmaking programs like Flexisign run under Linux, thus my workplace uses Windows. I tried Linux on my desktop, it offered me no advantage, and couldn't run the Hipihi, Novoking, or uWorld, or hardly any of the interesting software I read about. Inkscape, probably Linux's best vector illustration program, can't even use an eps file.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
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