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Hulu Desktop + Facebook Connect = Social Television - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/microne...)
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Just finished surfing... my board smashed me in the mouth and then I almost drowned. Good times.
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Mark Zuckerberg just announced that businesses and brands will have full access to the social graph. Here's what that means:
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CocaCola will be listed right next to Mike Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
And Mike Arrington will have an entry. So will TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
Monetization!
- Robert Scoble
Facebook just became VERY interesting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Everyone who likes Snapple is now two degrees away from everyone else who likes Snapple?
- Kevin Fox
Due to filtering and real time feed?
- Mrinal Desai
Interesting.. Please elaborate
- andy brudtkuhl
Mrinal: no, they have a new "brand" type coming for the social graph. They don't call it that, of course, but that's what it is.
- Robert Scoble
Can you explain what that means?
- Rachel Levy
gotacha - thanks!
- Mrinal Desai
Also want to hear more...Twitter is my public but Facebook is my family & friends app...
- TechMama Beth Blecherman
hmm...do I want brands to have access to my social graph? I would rather sell them my valuable data not give it away for free. Free for friends, costs for business
- David Jacobs
Sounds great, but I will believe it when I see it =)
- Bob Ngu
So... brand (or company/product) will become an entity you can "friend" in Facebook? Am I interpreting this right? Do I get to control their access to my data/friend list?
- Brian Roy
is today the day they get rid of the 5,000 friend limit, since Pages are now Profiles?
- Jesse Stay
Because as we all know, the real value in social networking isn't connecting people with other people, it's connecting people with PRODUCTS.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: sort of. They got very close. We have to see the implementation first.
- Robert Scoble
+100 Ken - Everyone is looking to monetize by tapping into marketing and PR dollars...
- Brian Roy
Will the "likes" feature now be trackable, like it is in FriendFeed? I don't see the purpose of it in FB right now. Why did they add that that feature if you can't see yours and others' likes?
- Jennifer Windrum
It means I've lost even more interest in Facebook. I really have no interest in being bought and sold.
- LogEx
Ken: you have two phone books, right? One is white, for people, the other is yellow, for companies. These can be presented separately in Facebook too. They just added the yellow pages to the social graph. This is the death of the yellow pages.
- Robert Scoble
Yeesh, Robert, Make a room for all this.
- Matthew DeVries
@Robert the yellow pages died years ago
- andy brudtkuhl
Logical Extremes, why do you assume you are being bought and sold? I am guessing Facebook is not going to force you to befriend a "brand/company". If it is done by choice why is that so damning?
- Patrick Boegel
Matthew: why don't you? This is an interactive thing. I'm just typing as fast as I can.
- Robert Scoble
I can't move YOUR threads into my room.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, you can reshare Robert's threads (or anyone's) into a room.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
This worked nicely during convention season, there was a room for each talk, thread starters were pointed to the room. Got to follow the talks in real time.
- Matthew DeVries
Tina: Why wasn't that listed among our assets in the first place?!
- Matthew DeVries
How about Dislikes? or even Hate or Evil, Right now your only negative comment is silence...judging by the popularity of Simon on AI, "Hated It" would be a Huge "feature."
- Jamie Ginsberg
LOL! It's right there under 'More', choose reshare and you'll essentially get the FF bookmarklet: choose the room to send it to and BOOM there you go =) Works the other way around too should you want to share something from a room into your feed
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Ok, here's the room http://friendfeed.com/rooms... And I think I aggregated all the scoble threads to it.
- Matthew DeVries
Please never add "hate it" or "dislike it" to a social media service. PLEASE
- Matthew DeVries
Patrick, it's a Beacon nightmare waiting to happen again. One app or one friending of a company, and the floodgates are opened.
- LogEx
So, basically ... Facebook catches up with twitter? I already get updates from Zappos and CNN.
- Jonathan Terleski
And salesforce is there, in the background, collecting all our data - I don't really care since I've never had issues with personal information used maliciously.
- Mona Nomura
Brands are just catching up on artists and sports guys. They've been branding themselves and using the social graph for a while.
- Marc Verstaen
It means they're vying to become more evil than Google?
- Richard Akerman
I have a new plan for surviving this recession/depression: standing outside with a sign reading "will sell my social graph for food".
- Richard Akerman
Did facebook just become a huge version of GetSatisfaction?
- Anton Mannering
Mark Zuckerberg just shredded your yellow pages. HUGE day for Facebook (photo):
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How did he do that? Updates please.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
He just announced that brands and celebrities would be "full members" in the social graph. That is a HUGE shift in Facebook's strategy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what does "brands and celebrities would be 'full members' in the social graph" mean? Why do celebrities matter? Oy, these guys are going to become MySpace. Just another crappy pickup website.
- Rob Fahrni
details please...
- John Czwartacki
english please!
- David Bisset (sn)
@Robert Scoble: so instead of being fan "pages" they'll be actual profiles?
- nick
well i guess this is their answer to the user growth.. i dont really care for it..
- Adam Snodgrass
They should change their name to MyFace
- Darin Codon
is it a small step from brands to companies and organizations of all types?
- Dan Brickley
That's strange, my yellow pages are right here, unshredded. But I will keep a keen eye on its imminent destruction.
- Omar Gallaga
who has yellow pages anymore?
- Deva Hazarika
Going back to mail2ff from OurDoings, eh? Anything I can fix?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Deva: I have them. They are yellow.
- Omar Gallaga
Isn't this what Rupert said they were - facebook = phonebook? He saw MySpace as diffferent and o-so-much better. Wonder if he's still going to use that argument.
- Tom
@Darin: there already is a MyFace (http://www.myface.com/) so they can't :P
- Rene Wirtz
http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2009... - FINALLY!
- Marc Canter
It just looks like another site reorg like they just did a few months ago. FaceSpace still isn't Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
Yellow PAges is AWESOME = for Firewood in Fireplace
- Deborah Micek
Good lede on twitter, but nothing useful upon clickthrough. Bad journalistic tactic.
- Michael Krakovskiy
The last dead tree version of the yellow pages I have is from 1998 - don't miss it so never chased phone company
- Andy Beard
Michael : the rest of my feed here has a TON of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
how are they going to make money, that's what I want to know
- Ryan
Facebook Opens Status API, Say Goodbye to Twitter - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
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Tonight Facebook has made a number of updates to the Facebook platform one of which is the opening of status updates. In order to get Facebook statuses, you no longer need to use a session ID to access statuses. This is a huge update and one that I think is going to take Facebook to the next level. There are additional updates listed in the Facebook blog post: Not everyone has 2k+ followers on FB to get a viral comment going the same as Twitter . FB = inner circle; Twitter = public party."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
so does this mean that more Facebook stuff will be filtering into FF?
- Thomas Hawk
It would be nice to be able to rely on Twitter as connective tissue for social media.
- Christian Anderson
This'll be an interesting change to the balance of power. If there is such a thing. Still, I'm hanging out on twitter, not FB (accounts on both of course though).
- Bryan Duke
Good question, Thomas. I wonder if it'll make notes importing functional with the default Facebook share type, without having to add them as a separate RSS feed.
- Tyson Key
It's up to FF if they're going to support FB's FQLs.
- Mona Nomura
Hmmm, time for a twitterific-style iPhone app for FB statuses?
- Bryan Duke
A facebook-centric blog says that a new facebook feature will kill a competitor? Ummm, no. No bias there...
- Owen Byrne
I don't see FB killing twitter, they serve two different purposes.Twitter is elegant in it's simplicity.
- Gary H
and Facebook is gonna kill Friendfeed too: "The real loser here is probably friendfeed, honestly. If facebook wins aggregation from many sources with this move, they’ll effectively kill friendfeed’s differentiation factor. they already have user-base, volume of relavent content to handle a mass influx of updates plus the digested format of the newsfeed that people already expect. They...
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- Alejandro
I like Nick, I do, but he is delusional LOL
- Mona Nomura
I doubt Facebook will kill FriendFeed, since FriendFeed is generally much more open in comparison (i.e. you don't need to approve friends, and the site feels much more "free-form"), not to mention that Facebook's aggregator only supports a limited number of sites natively, without using 3rd party applications.
- Tyson Key
Quite delusional.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Seriously, what is FQL? LOL And you better believe when bigger 3rd party services start using FB's messed up API they will NOT stay quiet about how messed up it is. They have the potential to be heard more than FB app devs - the only ones that actually utilized the API to begin with so FB better have their stuff together. Like I said on Twitter AND AllFacebook, FB is NOTORIOUS for being developer unfriendly. So LOL at the notion that FB will be a 'killer' anything.
- Mona Nomura
@Mona - Some proprietary bastardisation of SQL apparently, although there's an implementation in their "Facebook Open Platform" source code drop that they made eons ago, that I doubt they update, if I remember correctly.
- Tyson Key
As Facebook would call it, "an evolved subset" ;)
- Tyson Key
Ya along with their FBJS or whatever that is. Hilarious.
- Mona Nomura
I just think facebook is sort of boring. Plus they always bombard you with those freaky little zombie invitation thingys. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas - Hah, great screenshot. Did you accept the "toy car request", "addicted to dexter invitation" and "winnie the pooh request" invitations? ;)
- Tyson Key
Well what stinks is that FB was all gung ho with 'normal people' monetizing on the apps we (users) hated so much. I mentioned in Leo's thread (man too many FB posts tonight) but FB screwed over the devs. Stats don't lie http://adonomics.com/about.... With a crappy track record like that, why would 3rd party developers want to support FB's initiatives? And TH LOL!! That is insane. I actually have a different group of people I interact with on FB. I kinda like it. ;)
- Mona Nomura
So when will twhirl allow setting status on Facebook messages?
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
FB overtake FriendFeed? I'd like to see FF gain more market share so at least FB is forced to re-do a few of their news feed features. I tried "importing" my blog thinking it would put links to my posts in my FB feed a la FriendFeed. Instead FB monitors your RSS feed, scraping the full text of your blog posts and creating FB notes, keeping the visitor inside their walled garden. Bush league.
- Tom Harrison
Wow.
- Paul Colligan
Just finished my first draft on why I am closing my Facebook account - working title "It's Not You, It's Me" {Yep DRAFT - I know shocking!}
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Really?! Wow, that is a shocker. Can't wait to read, bet it won't be why most people think.
- Yisel Guajardo
Wasn't it because of the free Burger King Whoopers? :P
- Art Y.
That's it! You have to draw the line somewhere. LOL :-)
- Yisel Guajardo
Ha ha. :) You got one free whooper for every 10 friends you delete. Considering that Ed probably has 100,000+ friends on Facebook, he flew to San Francisco the other day to cash in on 10,000 whoopers! Then he must have set up a fast food franchise niche site, and marketed each of the whoopers for a dollar each. That's the way of the marketer...
- Art Y.
Or I may be wrong...:)
- Art Y.
I much prefer FriendFeed over Facebook which I stopped using months ago. I hate the interface. Find it extremely user unfriendly - ugly - boooooring and just plain vanilla.
- Dr Ted Edwards DC
This can’t end well but for whom is still an open question - http://www.inquisitr.com/16795...
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Google is shutting down Google Notebook, Video, Dodgeball and Jaiku - http://searchengineland.com/google-...
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Wow, interesting. Another Twitter competitor bites the dust.
- Andy DeSoto
bummer. i really like Notebook.
- MikeAmundsen
Just in time, as I've just moved all my Google Notebook notes to Evernote.
- Rob Haas
Sad about notebook, although I don't know why. I used it for a few hours, said "this is cool, I'll use it all the time," and never used it again.
- Gregory Cohen
I am honestly surprised about Jaiku. I thought Google was going to try some thing with it. You can probably assume that leashes are much shorter these days on these sort of ventures.
- Rolf Schewe
What?? Notebook is one service that is actually useful.
- Morton Fox
Gregory: That's why. :-)
- Brent Newhall
Google is doing everything right lately IMO. Shuttering areas where it doesn't hold a core skill and focusing on things that it does well.
- AJ Kohn
You always use Evernote instead of Notebook and post to the cloud
- Sally Church
@Sally Evernote won't be around in a year or two either, unless they get acquired
- Steve Rubel
Dang, I understand the reasons, but I like Notebook :/
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Gmail is ad supported, clearly invested in and a driver of search. It's sacred. Now how about Google Reader? It doesn't make Google a dime! I wonder what its future is.
- Steve Rubel
@Steve, good point
- Sally Church
It'll be interesting to see. I'm thinking maybe little AdSense boxes at the bottom of every few articles? Or perhaps a side bar like Gmail? Or... maybe they'll just shut it down :(
- David Andrzejewski
I liked Google Notebook. :-(
- ursi
It's been a while since I read the gReader privacy policy, but it cold be a *bonanza* of information qualifying its users. You are what you subscribe.
- Chris Baskind
hey what about Grand Central?!
- Susan Beebe
not notebook!
- Yolanda
dammit...I used Notebook as much as I did Reader! What other free alternatives are there?
- JA Castillo
@JA Gmail. Check out my nerve center series.
- Steve Rubel
The way I read the Google Notebook blog, it is not going to vanish. We can still use it. Google just won't allow new users. Is this the correct interpretation?
- Steve Dittmore
@Steve Sounds like it. But why bother living in something that's not loved.
- Steve Rubel
Shutting down video? Not nice, there are videos that people link to.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
So that will be one less option for Surfulator users that don't feel like paying for an upgrade.
- April Russo (app103)
it's not shutting down Jaiku though, that will stay around...going open source
- Zee.
Steve why do u say that about Evernote? About it not being around in the future?
- Zee.
Zee, do you have a reference for that ? I see secondary sources saying things about Jaiku, but can't find anything official.
- Michael C. Harris
Ah, Zee is correct re Jaiku, http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009.... It's not closing.
- Michael C. Harris
@Zee, money.
- Steve Rubel
Michael, I'm on my iPhone but click the link in this post through to the official google post about Jaiku
- Zee.
@Steve Rubel, Evernote just got a good round of funding, and has footholds in a lot more platforms than Google Notebook. I will be surprised if they don't keep growing, especially when people have finally realized their name is a misnomer for what they actually do.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@Lindsay, Evernote will be acquired. That's my bet
- Steve Rubel
Evernote also has paying customers. I don't know how many, but I know that I happily paid.
- Joey Gibson
I hope they're not, Steve, or if they are, it's not by Google. I would be heartbroken if it languished and died the way almost all the other things I like that they've bought have. @Joey, I paid for my subscription and bought 2 gift subs for people for Christmas gifts... and turned Tad onto getting a paid sub too. They have a pretty loyal following and their services are worth paying for.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Shocking news! I really love Notebook; am using it extensively to prevent information-overload..
- Winston Teo
Jaiku was always doomed without the SMS short code. But I really liked notebook.
- Chris Mayer
we haven't got SMS for Twitter here in the UK though Chris...and it's growing ridiculously fast here
- Zee.
SMS to Jaiku was working just fine last time I tried.
- Michael C. Harris
At least they're going to keep Notebook active ... they're just stopping development.
- Brandon
Not Notebook, damnit! What am I supposed to do with my Notebook stuff now? :(
- Tanath
And indeed still does work. Perhaps "SMS short code" means something else ?
- Michael C. Harris
@Tanath Best I could find was to export to Google Docs. You have to do it for each notebook and it creates a single Gdoc with all of the items in that notebook.
- Warren Butler
Notebook was (is?) really good but needed offline access. E.g using Gears.
- Warren Butler
didn't think jaiku would last that long. twitter is far superior
- Alex Carpenter
I wrote off Jaiku months ago. And after Evernote, Google Notebook paled in comparison.
- Phil G
I really like Google Notebook :(
- Jennifer Van Grove
Have you tried Evernote, Jennifer? It's really good.
- Phil G
Phil, yeah I've tried Evernote...even have the iPhone app...but Google Notebook was a great fit for me...more than a little bummed
- Jennifer Van Grove
No big surprises here. Sad to see Jaiku go. It was good having a competitor to Twitter. Keeps the game fun. RIP Jaiku
- Sloan Bowman
Looks like Jaiku is going open-source. In which case it might rise to be even bigger than before. And as for Evernote - hey they have a pretty good revenue model. They're here to stay.
- Leo Laporte
so my theory that Jaiku has been bought as missing ready-made geo-data (BTS coordinates) for Google Mobile Search seems more or less plausible by now.
- A.T.
I wonder if they are going to get rid of video for Google Apps users too? I could see getting rid of the public Google Video since it competes with YouTube, but Google Apps video has a different purpose.
- Rob Boek
google notebook is awesome! why discontinue that?
- Kelly Johns
Notebook seems particularly suited to their mission statement. It ought to be improved, not discontinued.
- Tanath
I'm disappointed by the drop kicking of Notebook. You spend the time tagging entries with meta data, then poof, you have to deal with converting it into another system/workflow. I just did "Export to Google Docs" as an escape hatch move, but it's not the tool to gather new clippings entries.
- Micah Wittman
Ugh, I have quite a lot of stuff in Notebook.
- jjprojects
i was just tryin' to get into it :-)
- mirko
I'll miss Google Video
- Marcos Marado
Times are hard
- Marcus Beagley
Notebook is the big one for me, I use it all the time for particular projects. Anyone suggest an alternative?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
oh bummer, I love Google Notebook. I use it all the time
- Imabug
Zoho seems like a good alternative. Still wish Google would keep Notebook though.
- Tanath
I'm organizing a social hour at the Teleseminar Secrets Reunion on Friday at 11am at the hotel Stay tuned for more info #TSS - http://twitter.com/christi...
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BTW, the one thing in Mike Arrington's "intervention" post yesterday that deserves its own thread is the idea that we're pouring our creativity into someone else's product and getting bupkis for it. He's right and there's so much to say about this. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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Here's the comment: "Meanwhile, all this attention from Robert has certainly helped the valuations of Friendfeed and Twitter. How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch."
- Dave Winer
One thing I've learned is that when people pay nothing for your help they value it at $0. Ironically, if they pay you a lot of money for your advice, they really listen. That's why I'm not pouring my time into FF. I realized it was a one-way thing, and wasn't going to get any better. I did my own self-intervention.
- Dave Winer
*hands Dave 5 Linden dollars*
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@DaveWiner - It also means you are left out of the conversation if you don't participate.
- Dave Hodson
Awww. That's sweet but there's another way to look at it -- put your time where it's doing the most good. Aside from that I don't think conversation is that important. I think people totally misunderstood the Cluetrain concept of markets as conversations. But.. whatever. I feel like I'm living on time that was a gift -- so everything I get is a dividend. Happy holidays! :-)
- Dave Winer
@Sinterclas too funny!
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
The service is free, and we make all of the data available via the API. I like to think that the relationship between FriendFeed and its users is mutually beneficial. If there's something else that we should do for people (other than improving the product, which we're working on), please let me know.
- Paul Buchheit
I've made a good salary using products from other people, including those of Dave's. My current blog is hosted on wordpress.com which is a free server owned by Matt Mullenweg.
- Robert Scoble
A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Scrooge sat in front of his computer, the pale light lending a sallow cast to his complexion. "A merry Christmas, Mike!" cried a cheerful voice. It was the voice of his friend, Scoble. "I'm off to post on Friendfeed." "Bah!" said Scrooge, "Humbug!" "You don't mean that, Mike, I'm sure," Scoble said.
- Karim
"I do," replied Scrooge. "Friendfeed is a waste of time. You are adding valuation to something and receiving nothing in return. If I could work my will, every idiot who posts on Friendfeed would be shot like a dog in the street."
- Karim
"But Friendfeed is a fun place," Scoble insisted. "It is a good place with interesting people. And therefore, Mike, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"
- Karim
"Humbug!" replied Scrooge.
- Karim
I understand what Dave means. I had an old washer that worked fine, but I wasn't using. I set it out by the road with a sign that said "Free. Works well." The washer sat there for a week. I changed the sign to "$50.00. Works well." The washer was gone the next morning. Humans perceive that they receive more if the price is higher.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please, dave, start that discussion somewhere, because in a world where everything we do, every action we take, every minute we spend, is for sale, is only with a profit-making motive, then we're all just basically whores. and what a wonderful world it will be... (or already is?)
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Didn't Yahoo try that strategy with Microsoft? "$50 billion. Works well." The washer was still there, though... ;-)
- Karim
@Chris I could use the web app, or the built-in mail client, or even Thunderbird, but I choose Outlook. Partly because I paid for it and damn well am going to get my moneys worth!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@LAG ... and after 6 weeks most live-born mamals begin to use their eyes for the first time to explore their surroundings with a new perspective...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Karim but mine wasn't the old ringer-type of washer ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Chris and you feel that way because you did pay for the experience, not the other way around... ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Wow I just followed the top link and found myself reading Posts about Blogs vs. Comments and about Tweets vs FF Posts and I noodled back into Threads about Comments and followed further Wormholes, Rabbitholes, shiiiit. Talk about a circuitous conversation, yet -- all relevant, all entertaining.
- Marko Bon
Touche Chris. You are the exception that proves the theory...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
You aren't average...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
"How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch." I believe this was better expressed by little Sally Brown at Christmas, when she told her brother Charlie, "All I want is what I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share."
- Karim
FF is a data flow. If you're subscribed correctly you gain from this data flow. The conversations are like annotations and sub-directories on this flow. The only way you get nothing is if you think your contribution is greater than the whole. For the literary types, think of an author without an editor. FF is the ultimate editor.
- AJ Kohn
Chris, not that I ever use that phrase :-) but this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karim
hmm....t'is an interesting discussion, on the night before christmas. from a branding point of view, if you give something away for free, there's no story to tell, no brand promise to make. it's free. take it or leave it. if you have a story that engages and moves people, you can charge a premium price. of all tech companies, it seems to me that Apple understands this best. maybe scoble should demand a cut for promoting services he likes, maybe FF,TT should start charging (for API at least). i dont know...
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I don't see the user-generated content paradigm disappearing anytime soon. Friendfeed provides the elegant interface, the users provide the content, the value is in the synergy between the two. Yes, the words of big name bloggers and other personalities have potential monetary value. If they want to hold their cards close to their chest, no one is stopping them.
- Laura Norvig
FF and Facebook and Twitter are training wheels for what we have to make work on the open Internet. We're creating an environment with the wrong incentives that concentrates power, and no matter how well-intentioned they are, history has shown, that doesn't turn out well. FF is nice, I've said so many times, but it is also a drug. I think Mike was joking, but he stumbled on a true and important insight.
- Dave Winer
I went to bed too soon! Thanks for jumping in Karim. @LAG if you remember the JPeterman catalogue, as skewered so well on Seinfeld, this is exactly to what Dave is referring. Gussy-up a flannel shirt with a fake story about climbing Peruvian mountains and then double the price of the shirt.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
+1 Dave
- Susan Beebe
Listening to this weeks Ed Dale, Michelle, Lynn and Paul on IMTW. Another great show. http://internetmarketingthisweek.com/
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Ya another great show this week!!, the links given are very nice ha;
- Elliot Webb
Thanks Bob - I love doing that show!
- Ed Dale
I've been listening all along. Good show!
- Sam Sotiropoulos
You would have no idea how much fun I'm having with this project. Great thing is we're testing some fabulous tech and learning a lot in the process.
- Paul Colligan
The more things change the more they stay the same - http://www.winextra.com/index...
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I don't get why people rail against developers trying to make money with their products through either charging or advertising. I want developers to make money so they'll build more cool stuff for us all.
- Robert Scoble
The sense of entitlement is infuriating. This will change though. Google will miss a quarter, and woah-boy just wait and see what google services get axed and how intrusive their ads become then. The VC wells will dry up and the media giants giving everything away are already crumbling. We're cursed to live in interesting times. :)
- mikepk
I'd prefer paying a license fee over advertising that will no doubt be ineffective on me, but either way, development costs time and money. How does this all work out if everything is free?
- Mark Trapp
I agree that the entitlement attitude is getting more prevalent. People don't take the time to simply think and understand that, whether it's software, games, websites, etc., it all costs money to develop and maintain.
- Spencer
Didn't Quark say that? Ok yeah I am a big geek. What can I say.
- Brandon LeBlanc
from twhirl
Brandon: I have to admit, I thought you were talking about Quark's sense of entitlement with Quark XPress: talk about a company that exhibits the exact opposite extreme of the developer/consumer relationship. And then I realized you were talking about a Ferengi.
- Mark Trapp
Hah! I thought Brandon was talking about QuarkXPress too. What a lame company.
- Robert Scoble
We are in the hashing out period of the social web. Places like Facebook and Twitter will eventually begin charging for premium content, or the ability to follow people beyond a certain threshold. I have no problem with this. What I would have a problem with is each and every damn web 2.0 startup, calling itself the next social revolution, charging money just to try out its beta service. Facebook is pretty well established, but few other products are ready for prime time at this point.
- Bob Blunk
What Bob + mikepk said. As ad inventories pile up during the recession, the Google model of ad-support will get creaky and fail for weaker brands. Products will either charge for premium content and service or they will fail. Natural selection applies to business models, too.
- Sprague D
This is why the freemium model is coming back into favor. You give some stuff for free, but the more interesting stuff costs something. I think this is also good because developers can see what people want and build premium services based on that.
- Rob Diana
So, on one hand, consumers feel entitled to see content for free--and even without advertising; on the other hand, authors and other content creators feel entitled to a living. Something has to give. Just remember that blasting people's sense of entitlement goes both ways. If authors don't like the prevailing culture, they don't have to play. Pull an "atlas shrugged" and see if it brings the world to its knees. Good luck.
- Daniel Tunkelang
Just heard the sales numbers for our iphone app Im stunned. That app store is amazing
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We are selling 100 apps a day with virtually no promotion yet - at $1.99 a pop - thats better than a kick in the head!!
- Ed Dale
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I'm so disaponted.. @paulcolligan just admited he is not perfect. His strategy is darn near perfect though #ISSM - http://twitter.com/WarrenW...
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10 Reasons The Zune Beats The iPod. Seriously. - http://blogs.msdn.com/stevecl...
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Wrong question. Since getting my iPhone I haven't wanted an iPod, or picked up either my Zune or my iPod. The only time I see iPods is on the plane where the longer battery life matters. But, I guess some people still buy audio-only players. I just am trying to cut down on the number of things I carry with me and my phone goes EVERYWHERE. My iPod rarely did.
- Robert Scoble
i use my Zune every day and love it.
- MikeAmundsen
Feature #5 (Wireless Syncing) is the only feature listed that I would actually want to use. The others seem like they're scraping the barrel. As with many MS products, the Zune is a Windows-only device, so even if it were the best music playing device in the world, it doubt I'd suddenly become a Windows user or start to regularly use a Windows VM.
- Paul Grav
It's not about features... it's about the emotion... and just the name 'Zune' by itself is already a failure..
- Aad 't Hart
I love my Zune and the spouse is getting iPod Touch for Christmas...we will have a true comparison. I like the wi-fi option with Touch tho'. I have yet to be sucessful doing the wireless sync :(
- Janet
I agree with Aad 't Hart the name Zune is awful. My future father in law has one and it is kind of a cool device but I don't know what marketing purgatory they came up with Zune in.
- Nation Hahn
Robert, comparing Zune to iPhone isn't the right question though - different types of device. not disagreering with what you say about iphone, just comparing like for like.
- steve clayton
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