The vanilla installation fails right after partitioning the disk on my Mac Mini. Hmm.
- Gary Burd
I've been trying it out on vmware tonight. No problems so far.
- Scott Ludwig
Just installed it on my server. Working great. Did have a little trouble with bridging and DHCP on boot, but resolved it. When I'm setting up a server, it's a choice between Debian and FreeBSD.
- Paul Grav
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem
- Bogdan Costea
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- Zio Bonino
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt Mastracci
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- Zio Bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed.
- Joe Beda ()
from iPhone
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
that only covers video and audio... *sigh*
- Ed F
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
I know, and it seems I'm the only one who mentions Flash's other uses... :-/
- Ed F
from IM
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
write them yourself then. until then, I'll stick with desktop apps or Flash equivalents
- Ed F
from IM
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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- .LAG liked that
Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
still haven't updated yet. Busy with something on Firefox
- LANjackal
from IM
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Yeah the video spec for HTML5 is currently a disaster
- LANjackal
from IM
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I agree that the future is neither open nor closed, but a mixture of the 2. Been preaching that for a while now, but then again there are the fanatics on either side who can't see anything other than a homogenous future
- LANjackal
from IM
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
@caludio: They've already done that, somewhat. Silverlight 4 Beta supports Chrome. However I'm pretty sure it's probably technically impractical to run another browser atop Chrome OS anyway
- LANjackal
from IM
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
If the concept of open source didn't allow for competitive business plans then quite a few companies that depend on it wouldn't exist. The "happy smiley" image most FOSS zealots promote isn't reflective of reality. There will always be competition, even among the free
- LANjackal
from IM
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
not rly, the defeat of Flash & SL depends on the rise of HTML5, which will b supported by multiple browsers. Unfortunately spec disagreements r holding that up. That's another advantage of closed systems : fewer cooks often makes the broth get done faster lol
- LANjackal
from IM
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
HTML 5's not "missing" much in terms of its ambition. What it's missing is a consensus among its contributors. Flash and SL have gone through several iterations while HTML 5's been sitting there
- LANjackal
from IM
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
No they won't, because it Silverlight already runs on Chrome as of Beta 4
- LANjackal
from IM
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
"Tens of thousands of people have been cut off from playing their Xbox games online. Microsoft says they've banned certain gamers from their Xbox Live service because they may have been modifying or "chipping" their consoles to play pirated games."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
from Bookmarklet
"good games, everyone wants to play them all. And for them to pay £50 a game? I took it into a shop [the Xbox], there was a guy back there and I asked him and he did it for me [chipped it]. He charged £75 to get it chipped but at the end of the day I said to myself I'll pay £75 to get it chipped, after two games I've paid the money back. I've probably saved about £600 and I've copied...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
do the new consoles not support/allow rental? a console business model should allow demos or rental for games, else it is pushing people to pirate, because one does want to try every game. but if rental exists, why pirate? Just rent, and buy the few games you still want to play after a week (would not be many, for me, it's the 'tasting' a game that i like)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Yeah, there's no excuse for pirating console games when the barrier for entry of rental games is so low.
- Alex Scoble
For about £10 per month you can find deals that allow you to rent games. I found one deal that gave me 90 days free. So, there's really no excuse. The latest games are indeed expensive but no one is forced to buy them and there are plenty of cheaper games available. Oh, and BTW, they can still use their consoles to play pirated games, it's just that they can no longer do it online.
- Paul Grav
I've had it on a virtual machine at work for a few weeks now and I must say it really is lightning fast most of the time. Really that's the only change that makes me happy. Otherwise, I just get a pretty version of XP.
- Fleagle
Vista with lipstick - sorry Kevin - low blow?
- Rich Staples
Just installed Win7 on my wife's laptop and her laptop is performing better. *But*, I don't think it's performing better because Windows 7 is inherently better, instead it's because she no longer has all of the junk that her laptop manufacturer installed into Vista.
- Paul Grav
If I do a clean install of Snow Leopard and restore everything back with Time Machine, will I need to reinstall my apps and whatnot or will they all work like it have?
"Our post is not just delivered at a different time every day, it's delivered by a different person. Often a miserable, underpaid temp, who stuffs all the mail for six flats through the door in one torn and crumpled bundle because he or she is so frightened of being penalised by the manager for not meeting a preposterous delivery target that there is no time even to take the rubber bands off.In beefing the delivery targets to unmanageable sizes per worker, then sacking postmen for failing to meet them, in axing the second post and generally thumping down the iron fist, the Royal Mail managed this year to make a £321m operating profit. They celebrated by imposing an immediate pay freeze on the workers."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
from Bookmarklet
"It's as if they, a state company, have looked around at lucrative private businesses and thought: "Hmm… Virgin Media take days to send technical support… Amazon aren't contactable by phone… Apple computers need to be upgraded every couple of years at enormous expense… maybe we'd better become shit as well.""
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm starting to suspect the Royal Mail executives are out to break it, so it can be privatised or acquired - and make them rich. In a way I find this a better explanation than incompetence, since incompetence is so hard to understand
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I've had problems with Royal Mail and its temp workers for years. As my front door is a bit hidden from the road the fact that they change postman every other day means that my mail is often delivered (if at all) to one of my neighbours. Some are kind enough to give it to me some are not and I cannot knock at every door asking for my mail. I had to stop using Amazon and I would love to...
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- M F
State owned companies should not be using temp workers as a way to be able to fire without notice and avoid paying pensions and other normal benefits. That's a way of doing things we should as a society not accept from companies and certainly not from public sector employers. Did you see the postman blog entry I posted recently http://ff.im/9quIZ - the view from the inside is very...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I have no problems with Royal Mail up here in Central Scotland. The mail arrives on time, and delivered by the same person. 1st class packages arrive on time too, as well as any packages (Amazon etc). I suppose its becuawse there are 5 million people up here in Scotland. And 50 million down in England and Wales.
- Roberto Bonini
Can't say I've had any particular issues with the Royal Mail delivery here in Leeds. In fact I enjoy the services that the Royal Mail provides. I can get my mail redelivered on Saturdays, I can purchase postage online, pickup points are very close by and their services are relatively cheap too. I've had many more problems with privately owned couriers.
- Paul Grav
Our Post dude used to have treats for the dog in his pocket. Now he's in such a rush he is turning around as soon as we take the package in our hand. Not by choice, I am sure.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Perforce is quite good, and free in certain circumstances.
- Bill Scherer
not sure svn and tortoise svn is that much simpler than git - sure, checking out is one less step, but apart from that... but as long as you dont do too much branching and everyone is always online when working, svn works very well
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm not sure that Git works very well on Windows machines. Might be worth checking out (no pun intended) Mercurial. I find it hard to recommend SVN since it requires a server to be running, and merging is a major PITA compared to merging with Git.
- Paul Grav
I should also mention that these developers have never used a SCM before! :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
A designer friend of mine said she found git easier to understand and use than subversion.
- Andy Bakun
"Sorry but the browser you are using, Firefox Version 3.5.3, is currently not supported by this product. In order to access this product, you must use the latest version of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Thank You."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ha! Would you care to "name & shame" the site in question..? :->
- Andrew Terry
I'd do my best to never ever visit a site that has such dumb browser detection.
- Paul Grav
too embarassed to name it, it was a cheesy link in facebook (so they paid for that click they then refused to serve?) - some kind of make an avatar thingie
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So this might mean that Skype over 3G is available across all iTunes stores or just the US. If it's just the US store, then getting Skype over 3G would be a simple matter of creating an US iTunes account.
- Paul Grav
Anything like this at all for the PC.
- Mark Wolvin
It get's my highest praise, "Doesn't suck."
- Steve Feinstein
Wow, this thing is pretty amazing; it's even properly identifying a big chunk of songs that somehow had their meta data stripped during my iTunes 9 upgrade. Thanks for the heads up
- Evan Sims
ok, im amazed. just correctly corrected 162 out of 170 tracks with "track xyz" as their title.
- Jamie
Addons like this, and programs like Coda, are the things pulling me toward buying an iMac. Just can't get myself to do it yet.
- Andres
I don't get how you can get your iTunes library in such a state: http://polluxapp.com/Screens... Without using this app, my iTunes library has all the necessary metadata, and I didn't make any effort to have it like that.
- Paul Grav
Anything similar on windows, on iTunes or foobar or winamp or anything? I'd like to see a program that has a "search for year info on Wikipedia" option. Actually, why isn't there an app where I can manually correct track info on my iPhone while I'm listening and have the corrections sync back?
- Chuck Kahn
Paul, mainly by downloading music illegally from places like Kazaa (is that even around anymore?) and torrents.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
It may be a coincidence, but I sent this link to my husband and when he tried to download the application he had to force quit Safari and it triggered all kinds of virus messages! He said he was not willing to try to duplicate the problem!
- Ginger Campbell, MD
So, don't run this on compilation/greatest hits albums, unless you want the songs retagged to the original albums.
- Demian Johnston
@Chuck Kahn - A cross platform (albeit more complex) tagger is Jaikox - http://www.jthink.net/jaikoz/ I've been using it on the Mac for about a year, much more complicated - and not free... but it works.
- Christopher Aloi
I liked it until it ended up misidentifying a great deal of songs, now I have to take the time to manually edit them back. Or just break out the CDs and rip them all over again. It can't tell the difference between tracks from a live album versus their studio recorded counterparts. It gets an E for effort.
- Bryan K Erickson
It also gets in this state if you were managing music well before iTunes came to PC.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
When I used to do stuff in Windows, I used MP3Tag.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This app worked perfect for me. Well done!
- Mike Shulman
Gonna try it now ... [edit] Not bad, but made too many mistakes for me to unleash it on the rest of my library.
- Timothy Griffin
I downloaded it and it did not do anything.
- Kelly J
@Kelly J: You need to highlight some songs in iTunes and then click "Tag selected iTunes tracks".
- 321
Very cool idea, but I have tried it on two albums and it got one song wrong both times. It also hasn't grabbed lyrics on any song I've tried so far, and that was main reason for trying it. All my stuff is tagged properly already. Any apps that just grab the lyrics?
- Justin Luey
...well, it is 'beta' software, or has that label lost all meaning these days?
- .LAG liked that
I think some of the data it uses is a bit suspect. One artist, two versions of the same song but different lengths, and they're classed as being from the same album. What's with the lyrics bit - where do they appear?
- Mike Caine
"English pronunciation can be divided into two main accent groups: A rhotic (pronounced /ˈroʊtɨk/) speaker pronounces the letter R in hard and water. A non-rhotic speaker does not pronounce it in hard, and may not in water, or may only pronounce it in water if the following word begins with a vowel."
- Amit Patel
from Bookmarklet
I use the R loads more than most people, meaning I get called posh a lot. I'm not, I just pronounce my words properly. I speak the Queens English don't you know.
- Toby Graham
Toby: Really? R in the rhotic sense? The Queen's English (Received Pronunciation) is non-rhotic. In England I think it's usually the case that the more someone pronounces the _written_ letter R, the less posh they sound. For example, the rural and farming West Country accents tend to be full of pronounced Rs, whereas the typical posh English way of saying the written letter R in...
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- Simon
"Since its UK launch in November 2007, the iPhone has been exclusively sold on the O2 network. That’s finally set to change soon as Orange has just announced that it plans to sell the iPhone soon."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
I hope they allow unlocking. Regardless, I think I'll probably switch from O2 once my contract expires.
- Paul Grav
Updated with news that Vodafone is getting it too
- Martin Bryant
"Google Sync supports Push for Gmail, meaning that you can get your messages immediately, if not sooner (as my dad is fond of saying)."
- sebastian☆rocket brother
sormamak ayıp değil ya. push email ne demek??? nedir bu push olayı?
- HasanCivelek
Size mail geldiğinde (ya da push destekli uygulamalarda herhangi bir bilgi geldiğinde) haber vermesi. Programlar arka planda çalışmadan bu bilgiyi size ulaştırır.
- Hayati Şentürk
I don't care much for push notifications, I can wait 15 minutes for the iPhone to fetch/push. But Calendar and Contacts syncing is awesome, I couldn't do that before.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Fetching wastes battery though. Push is a much better system overall.
- sebastian☆rocket brother
@hayati teşekkürler :) bugun onca yıldan sonra PS'de iki trik öğrendim. hala iş var :)))
- HasanCivelek
Unfortunately you can only sync 1 gmail account using Google Sync. I wonder if Google will ever support push imap..
- sebastian☆rocket brother
There are a lot of competing apps out now for this. Which is the best?
- Michael Fidler
Google's implementation relies upon Exchange - can we use only one Exchange account per iPhone?
- Bill Sodeman
@billso Yes, unfortunately only one Exchange account. That's totally sucks, 'cause I kinda need two-some.
- Кто это тут у нас
@sebastian☆rocket brother "Fetching wastes battery though" Really? More than PUSH? Messages have to be pushed to a process, a process that is running *all* the time.
- Paul Grav
My favs are the ironic ones. "This is America and our only langaguage is English". "Make English America's offical language". "Respect are-country speak English".
- Paul Grav
Ew. "David struck down two hundred men among the Philistines. Then David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law. So Saul gave him Michal his daughter for a wife."
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
No Merlin Mann? Thought he was scheduled. Bummer. Its back to This Week w/ Apple apologists.
- Nemo
Leo, you should change the background to the pic of the Snow Leopard if you want it to look different
- Kevan Emmott
Leo, you should have mentioned the base 10 hard drive size calculation switch. That's why Snow Leopard reports 15+ GB of gained space over Leopard.
- nick
Kennedy was in no way comparable to Churchill. Churchill, while flawed and with personal issues, achieved highly on the World stage. Kennedy achieved nothing but to live a life of failure in the shadows of his bigger better brothers.
- Geeklawyer
nice to see Leo call Andy and Alex out on their fanboyism. I swear if Apple came out with asbestos facemasks they would buy them.
- jccalhoun
Calling someone a fanboy is usually a cop-out. It's normally something that someone says when they can't put forward a decent argument to support their views. Andy says that SL is clearly faster than Leopard and Alex mentions that services is worth the upgrade price alone. Then Leo calls them fanboys. IMO that's lame and disappointing, especially coming from Leo.
- Paul Grav
Yup - that and "hater". Lazy debating at its worst.
- Simon Jefford
wait, leo is complaining that the news channel gets 3 minutes out of a 32 second video and he spends how many minutes discussing how the news channel spent 3 minutes on it?...
- jccalhoun
Yahoo leads because of the bundle deal they did with SBC as the default service for DSL users. Hotmail's up there just because Microsoft uses it as a global account identifier for all their online services.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll bet if you look at *active* accounts, Gmail's up there.
- Ken Sheppardson
i think everyone who's really into Windows 7 probably already has it
- x5315
John needs exciting tech news before he falls asleep
- dawgbytez
Did everyone see that Jon had already left?
- x5315
Paul wearing a little pointy hat, blowing a noisemaker.
- Ken Sheppardson
Windows has massive share, because they do things like House Party. They canvass all areas of the market. I can see this would appeal to some people I know.
- Fergal Barry
Windows Weekly XXX: The House Party
- Eevee
from IM
Windows doesn't have massive market share because they do things like House Party.
- Ken Sheppardson
Windows is on 90% of computers partly because MS takes marketing very seriously. House Party is segmented marketing. Isn't that an easy explanation?
- Fergal Barry
I'm downloading the Windows 7 Enterprise trial :)
- Eevee
The reason Google kept the "I'm feeling lucky" button is because they did a study and they found that people find it "comforting", so they kept it for comfort
- CG
The whole Flash thing is the biggest non-story of last week. Looks like everybody run out of news.
- notagolfer
"It's possible to become too dry, too corporate, too much about making money. I think what's delightful about 'I'm Feeling Lucky' is that it reminds you there are real people here," Google exec Marissa Mayer explained, or at least tried to. -- http://valleywag.gawker.com/324927...
- Ken Sheppardson
Apple is probably using something similar to nspluginwrapper http://freshmeat.net/project... which 64-bit browsers on linux used for a long time to get the 32-bit flash plugin to work.
- Ghworg
VMware May Be Microsoft’s Top Rival After Google ....looks interesting!
- Fergal Barry
Leo, you should look at Nokia N900, an attempt by Nokia to compete with the IPHONE, with motion sensors
- RALPH
i've been a Cingular/ATT customer for years... they have always lagged behind every other carrier inn features, speed, etc
- Hipp
from IM
She's right the global leader that is AT&T is the last carrier on the planet to offer MMS to iPhone users.
- John Brazel
No one should ever feel sorry for AT&T.
- Joel Lovato
I'm not watching the show, but with virtualized XP, MSFT is trying to price VMware out of the Market. I hear it's pretty damn nifty. How many people are going to shell out $$$ for VMware when virtualized XP covers 75% of use cases.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
It has a keyboard, that apparently is quite easy to use... check out this recent link from maemo.org Leo, http://maemo.org/communi...
- RALPH
Android users also use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth -- not nearly as many devices in use, sure. T-Mobile's less mature network doesn't seem to have a problem accommodating MMS.
- Christopher A Carr
Those invites were sent only to young people :)
- notagolfer
Thanks Roberto. VMware article on del.icio.us page, but not discussed yet. I'd love to hear more about it. In the link from del.icio.us it says VMWare acquired SpringSource, a maker of open-source software development tools, to raise the stakes.
- Fergal Barry
Only if it's about the Beatles catalog comes to iTunes
- rwa2play
I think Apple is looking to steal Zune's thunder and he'll show.
- Joel Lovato
I think Leo overestimates the significance of 9/9/09 as a "Beatles" event. It's first and foremost...particularly for anybody under 50... just a neat day from a numerological standpoint.
- Ken Sheppardson
A yellow Beatles iPod. Which is waterproof.
- Ghworg
Beatles catalog comes to iTunes...and Paul and Ringo come to the presentation. Only then would Steve show up.
- rwa2play
Houston Chronicle FTW - I grew up reading Silverman's articles.
- Jesse Stay
"Box Office Mojo reports that, since 1978, superhero movies have grossed over $7.28 billion at the domestic box office, with an average gross of $94.6 million per film." -- http://www.cnbc.com/id...
- Ken Sheppardson
Disney is currently owning the little girls market with Hannah Montanna and other things on the Disney Channel. They recently rebranded their Disney Toon channel as Disney DX in an attempt to get little boys to watch their stuff. Buying Marvel is a way to get that market.
- jccalhoun
Editorializing is that a euphemism for rant?
- John Brazel
Jeez... it doesn't have a "birthday". There was no day on which it existed, the day before which it didn't. It was a gradual, incremental thing. Like evolution. On what day was the first human born? [Adam and Eve notwithstanding, and I'm sure somebody will bring up the fact they weren't "born"...]
- Ken Sheppardson
Look at some of the photos of those who created the Internet. A prerequisite was that you had to have an awesome beard. The link between the hippies at Woodstock and the Internet stands revealed (Beards!!!).
- JR Holmes
Whitman was certainly there for the Skype purchase.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, thanks for trying Leo...woulda liked some perspective on SpringSource. I don't know much about them...maybe work the topic some other time :)
- Fergal Barry
TIME: eBay recently paid at least $2.6 billion for the Internet phone company Skype, and the two words most frequently used to describe the purchase were "head scratching." Was the price excessive? WHITMAN: We obviously think it was fair. We looked at value in Skype in a number of different ways: the amount we paid on a per-user basis, discounted cash flows, etc. We also looked at what we thought Skype could do on its own and with eBay. -- http://www.time.com/time...
- Ken Sheppardson
TIME: What will take to make growth even more dynamic? WHITMAN: That's one of the reasons we're excited about Skype. It can create a new way for buyers and sellers to communicate. It actually will help us get into new categories. For example, if you're a web designer, it's hard for you to sell your product on eBay - what you want to do is connect and find out what the buyer wants.
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo's Dutch sounds like Goldmember from Austin Powers
- Shawn Cleghorn
Q: What about buying Skype? Whitman: We liked Skype and still like Skype as a standalone business—a $400 million, four-year-old. Skype is doing more business as a four-year-old than eBay, Yahoo, or even Google did. We saw potential synergies between Skype and eBay. The next year or so will prove out if we were right. We’ve only had our management team in there for three months. Prior to...
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- Ken Sheppardson
Carbonite is still a sponsor - but you're more than welcome to use another solution! ;-) Do you prefer Backblaze to S3 with Jungle Disk?
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I use S3 with Jungle Disk but I am really digging Dropbox over S3. Do you see any advantage to stay with S3 over dropbox?
- Jeremy Behrens
I haven't looked at Jungle Disk in a long, long time but at $0.15 per GB-Month it seems closer to Dropbox than a set-it-and-forget-it background backup system like Carbonite or Backblaze. (Backblaze is $5/mo for unlimited storage)
- Ken Sheppardson
I have to say that this was a good TWiT
- Eevee
from IM
Once again another great episode! Love the How Old is the Internet really story.
- Victor Aroma
it's not a real bsod tho.. it's the "system error" from win 9x (you could get one from simply trying to access a CD that has been removed iirc). Proper windows BSOD's only exist in NT based versions. I think it's more subtle that they're using an old, clunky, beige CRT for windows based machines instead of sleek TFT's.
- alphaxion
Yes, i noticed last time when i started connecting iMacs to my Active Directory. All the pcs show up as tiny little blue screens. The buggers. lol!
- Adrian Scicluna
If they need it to be happy... Bashing windows seems to be the most important thing for Apple, in their OS and in advertising. I think in the long run it doesn´t pay.
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
sometimes I wonder how bits of humour and personality as this would be taken if microsoft did the same in their os. How would you react if MS altered the network computer symbol based on agent and had the mac as an os8 type cream box with a sad computer face?
- alphaxion
in my experience, i think this is pretty damn accurate and true
- PJ Kix
Haha, "Plenty of Linux and other Unix machines show up as Samba file shares, meaning they'll be presented as unstable blue-screening machines, despite the fact that they're likely more stable than OS X. "
- Tyson Key
@alphaxion - As of Windows Vista, it's possible to do something like that with the LLTD protocol and network mapper, if you're willing to hack some code together and create an icon file. (Conveniently, Microsoft provide a Shared Source implementation of LLTD for Linux that you could abuse)... ;)
- Tyson Key
Since a bunch of input managers no longer work with 64 Bit Safari in 10.6, I've had the problem of seeing too many ads. This site provides a decent workaround. I'm using it now, and it works great.
- Paul Grav
from Bookmarklet
"Between the list of more than 100 Mac programs that no longer work because of the update and the rampant reports of bricked machines seemingly tied to Snow Leopard, Apple has had a rough week."
- Nemo
from Bookmarklet
My experience with Snow Leopard initially gave me pause... now I am liking it more and more. The subtleties are becoming more pronounced, each with unexpected speed and elegance. Any hick-up in programs has been easily recoverable and only side benefits have emerged for me. So to the title of this post; the reports that emerged on vista, it started ruff and got more ruff ruff. The cat for the win!
- Randal
I am an avid mac fan, but still have not moved to 10.6 because of all the issues that I hear about.
- Mitchell Hislop
It's been great for me. My biggest gripe has been ZFS. There's also a profiling tool they ship that doesn't work. There's a lot of good parts, though.
- Dustin Sallings
Upgrading to the 10.x.0 release has always been fraught with peril. A lot of people don't even bother until 10.x.1 is out.
- Victor Ganata
There hasn't really been any noticable speed increased on my macbook, I've noticed the multitouch expose and quick desktop gestures have become a little more twitchy. However, my biggest gripe is how the browsing of my windows SMB shares across my network appears to be borked. Long pauses before actually bringing up the content (doesn't happen on my win box, nor did they happen before...
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- alphaxion
It's a SERVICE PACK, not a brand NEW Operating System. That is all.
- Joshua Schnell
they're never marketed as a full release... they're point releases (hence the number after the 10 changes.. patches and fixes are the number after the first point ie 10.6.x).
- alphaxion
What service pack turns your 32-bit OS into a 64-bit OS? Although it is telling that they knocked $100 off the price.
- Victor Ganata
I don't think Apple has ever had a problem-free 10.x.0 release. If anything, the problems caused by SL are nothing like what happened when Panther, Tiger, and Leopard were released.
- Victor Ganata
I dont see any reason to upgrade at this point. All I ever do on the MacBook is use Firefox and play WoW
- Rodfather
Also, it's not running in 64bit kernal mode for me, tho I do have a 64bit EFI.. apparently some models have been artificially restricted (not tried booting with 6+4 down yet), if the net is to be believed that is.
- alphaxion
Heh, WoW actually does feel a little snappier on 10.6 vs 10.5. Yeah, it looks like you need a Pro or better to run K64. There's a file you can edit if you want to try the 64-bit kernel on a restricted machine, but I've been too chicken to do it, and I'm not really sure it's going to make a huge difference since I don't have any 64-bit apps and I only have 2 GB of RAM.
- Victor Ganata
same here... it doesn't bother me that it's still running 32bit. What is bothering me is how crappy network browsing has suddenly become. I'm currently fighting with it trying to access folders to import files in final cut express. It's deciding to not show the contents of some folders :S When are they gonna bring finder up to the level explorer has been at since win2k *mumbles*
- alphaxion
Post-Classic Finder has always sucked horribly. You'd think they'd have done something about by now, considering it's probably the app you interact with the most.
- Victor Ganata
I notice they're trying to force everyone into using spotlight for accessing their files - I'm yet to use the damn thing and detest the idea that I have to use a search program to access anything. I have a fantastic grip on file management, I don't need to have them hidden from me!
- alphaxion
Finder is actually an app that I hardly use. The combination of Google's Quick Search Box and Spotlight means I can frequently skip Finder altogether. Only issue I have with 10.6 is the fact that I'm missing an ad blocker in Safari but the more robust management of rogue plugins (Flash) is making up for that.
- Paul Grav
I liked the functionality of Google Desktop, but I found it extremely crashy and resource-intensive, so I stopped using it. Now that I think about it, I probably do use Spotlight a lot.
- Victor Ganata
I wasn't referring to Google Desktop, but Google Quick Search. Not really the same thing.
- Paul Grav
it's an old thing of mine that I don't like using a search when I know where I've put my stuff - besides, most of my stuff resides on the 4tb of storage I have on my network.
- alphaxion
I've had no problems with Snow Leopard, am I the only one? You can't compare it to Vi$ta, that OS was unusable when released.
- Simon Tracey
from BuddyFeed
I was forced to do a clean install after two attempts. nothing would work. it's been the most painful non-windows upgrade in my life. Worst mac experience since OS 8.5 (never used the previous systems).
- Zio Bonino
Aside from the CS4 activation (no documented fix until a random blog post popped up), it's been running extremely smoothly. This was a clean install but a full Time Machine backup recovery too. I think we're one of the lucky ones, Simon.
- Zach Flauaus
For me 10.6.0 is way better than 10.5.0 in terms of bugginess and overall stability. I had my first kernel panic with 10.5.0 and spaces would often get stuck midway through switching from one space to another. For me, 10.6 has been rock solid, not one single issue.
- Paul Grav
I was able to upgrade in place without any problems too. It's probably extremely dependent on what apps you have installed.
- Victor Ganata
and I'd say your network environment...
- alphaxion
I'm doing fine with SNow Leopard so far. Only problems were initially with getting it onto my Macbook. First attempts at loading it via the Mac Desktop failed. Decided to go back to the tried-and-true CD/DVD-boot method of getting it done. Upgraded without needing a clean install. Haven't seen any major program glitches so far.
- George Hall (Australia)
"The Daily Manab Zamin said US astronaut Neil Armstrong had shocked a news conference by saying he now knew it had been an "elaborate hoax". Neither they nor the New Nation, which later picked up the story, realised the Onion was not a genuine news site."
- Paul Grav
from Bookmarklet
I am having trouble watching the show, server must be getting hammered.
- Jordan Patterson
You can subscribe it via itunes too Jordan http://bit.ly/iq9rA Thanks for posting Paul. This is a great series on Services. So useful.
- Mac64
I've tried installing some services from macosxautomation.com but I can't seem to find the website popup action anywhere in automator. :(
- Paul Grav
I tried looking for the "website popup" automator function and could not find it. This could be great but first I need to find the function.
- Steve Sill
It took me a while to find it too. Its bundled with the Mobile Me workflows in the Internet portion of the downloads page. That site is just awful to navigate. Here's the link tho http://www.macosxautomation.com/service...
- Mac64
Thanks Mac64, thought I was going crazy trying to find it
- Simon Tracey
I had a good deal of trouble getting the Website Popup action to install on my MacBook. For some reason, unbeknown to me, both /Library/Automator and /Library/Services were owned by _unknown. I changed the ownership of those 2 folders over to my user account and attempted to re-install the Internet Services package. Finally, I was able to use the Website Popup action in automator.
- Paul Grav