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How do you like this e-mail signature? Every employee. Every e-mail. Think this company gets social media?
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Disclaimer: Emulex is a client of Paladin Advisors Group, where I am GM of New Media (or whatever title I have these days)
- Louis Gray
All those links in every e-mail are clickable, by the way. The B is for the main blog page.
- Louis Gray
what's the last logo? oh... heh.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
You can see all these logos on their Web site in the bottom right corner as well: http://www.emulex.com/
- Louis Gray
Including replies? because I really can't stand full signatures on email replies. If there's a lot of back and forth, the signature just adds clutter and gets in the way of the content. I like it on the first email in the exchange and then a perhaps a shortened version thereafter.
- pea
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
But in terms of getting the message across that this company is connected, yes, this setup certainly makes that very clear.
- pea
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- Travis Koger
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
If that company were REALLY into Social Media, it would have just one link, to your Google Profile: http://www.google.com/profile... ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why show favoritism to Google? There's little actual social happening there so far.
- LogEx
But why make them click twice? That would just annoy me. EDIT: Also, I could maybe understand if the company didn't have its own site, but it does, why send them away from their own home on the web and give Google all that traffic?
- pea
Logical: I'm just having some fun with Louis. I personally hate tons of icons on things. So complicated. How do I pick? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
At some point, will you discuss the Paladin Advisor's Group more fully?
- DGentry
Louis: Looks nice! Looks better than my typical signature where I just have a link to my website and then a link to http://www.travishartwell.net/blog... that lists on my online accounts.
- Travis B. Hartwell
snazzy!
- Mark Essel
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- LogEx
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, now I know you're joking!
- LogEx
Logical: actually I was joking about the Google Profile thing, not kidding about the Twitter thing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... after all you've said about Twitter and the fragility of SNS relative to your own brand?
- LogEx
Yeah, but where's your email address? LOL
- David Libby
Didn't you hear....E-Mail is Dead!
- Owen Greaves
I wish gMail supported HTML signatures. Been wanting to do something like this for years.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
you can do html in gmail, with a firefox plugin Blank Canvas http://blankcanvasweb.com/pages...
- Robert Higgins
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Looks sharp imho.
- Rob Schieber
what, no My Space link?
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza
Is this seriously your sig for emails? Bit busy don't you think? Wouldn't a push to their website that has the actual list be a better use of that space? Also with email clients that don't do HTML its going to be lost.
- Santa CW™
It's a bit much
- Rodfather
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza
In my training of employees on how to do a Email Signature, (where the corp hasn't stated a standard) is to plan for plain text clients. Have your information there. Do one font only and stick to that. Nothing fancy in the font either. Get the information there so that the recipients can contact you or get more information about you. Company Logo's are only if you really need them. Key thing is to provide a sort of Business Card (information how to get a hold of you) at the bottom of emails.
- Santa CW™
I tend to fall into the plain text camp. my signature is as follows: " -- 505.652.2878 http://sarahvela.net @orchid8 everywhere"
- Call me Bronco
Yeah, I like simple signatures.
- Andrew C
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
check out http://www.socialmediav.com they have a killer signature widget, both for personal and corporate brands! :)
- sera aktüre
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
How does that degrade? Are there alt tags? Does the text/alternative or text/plain part properly remove the HTML and still preserve the pertinent information? Accessibility is just as if not more important than having something flashy IMHO. (Disclaimer: I use a text MUA and you'll get me to accept HTML mail sometime shortly after the sun suffers hydrogen exhaustion...)
- matthew john ernisse
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
they get it, but is it necessary? agree with others here that it's cluttered and sorta cliche already.
- Bill Kinney
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
Scalien - Keyspace (distributed key value store) - http://scalien.com/keyspace/
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Looks interesting, have been investigating a lot of these systems lately just out of curiosity, but most have not met my expectations. This one is new, but I plan on checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Anything in cluster form is great. Servers, Breakfast cereals etc.
- CannonGod
Did you ever have a look at Tangosol Coherence? They were around before even memcached got popular, with a clustering solution with very flexible partitioning strategies, and the ability to run queries on the cluster. The continuous query functionality is pretty cool for real time stuff: http://coherence.oracle.com/display... Of course, the fact that it's written in Java might turn some people off.
- Ray Cromwell
Bret, have you looked at redis, and or Tokyo Cabinet?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: I love Tokyo Cabinet. It is not a distributed key value store, though - it just runs on one machine. There is a huge difference, and unfortunately most of the open source projects in this area don't actually work (largely demo quality from my tests).
- Bret Taylor
Of course, Oracle bought Tangosol, but their original product was great. I don't know how much it costs now, but some of Tangosol's competitors were good too.
- Ray Cromwell
Note that it's under the AGPL (Affero Gnu Public License), so you can't use it for closed-source web services.
- Jim Norris
Oh: good point, Jim. Nevermind. I will not be checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, http://opensource.plurk.com/LightCl... gives distribution + persistance to Tokyo + REDIS, definitely check out redis if you have time, although its still early days they have key/value + the values can be sets + queues, and all operations are atomic. Redis is also very easy to hash across servers.
- Nick Halstead
Re: AGPL. I recently looked at mongodb because apparently I'm not alone in thinking this whole space is fascinating (though it is not distributed key-value store). Anyway, their description of AGPL seems to be that it is possible to write a closed source web service against it so long as you give your changes to the server back to the community. However, I think this is enabled by the fact that they release their client library as Apache. Does that sound consistent with other people's understanding of AGPL?
- Kelly Norton
Apache driver license looks safe to me except for the C++ driver. Not sure how that one avoids AGPL...
- Michael Herf
from iPhone
@Michael - You're right. Looks like the C++ driver is AGPL. I have to admit, I don't see how anything could really escape the viral nature of the AGPL. The site claims that there are drivers available from third parties under different licenses, but that would seem to violate AGPL. I think it's probably best to stay away from anything AGPL.
- Kelly Norton
Here's a blog that surveyed some distributed key/value stores: http://www.metabrew.com/article...
- Ray Cromwell
Fifty Tech Startups You Should Know - http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interac...
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Is there a list that doesn't require paging through all 50 pages? (edit: nevermind)
- Paul Buchheit
you mean - with brief descriptions about each startup? This one is just one long page - but not much info on each...which is annoying
- Zee.
OOps, I didn't click but just assumed it was the same link I clicked on earlier. Sorry.
- Paul Buchheit
no worries
- Zee.
Evernote and TheFind made the list but Eye-Fi and FriendFeed did not unfortunately. It would have been nice to have the whole neighborhood :)
- Paul Buchheit
yeah, shame you didn't make it - you're one of the first i looked out for
- Zee.
no twitter either :P
- Zee.
no cc either - lol
- Allen Stern
@Allen cc?
- Zee.
zee - my startup - the one you should profile :)
- Allen Stern
oh the card to online service, i've heard a lot of great things...i'd be happy to. But you don't serve outside of the US do you?
- Zee.
oh yea - we serve worldwide - just processed a bunch of orders from australia and germany - as long as the cards have roman characters, we can handle them. i have to look to confirm but i am pretty sure we've processed at least one order from nearly every country in europe
- Allen Stern
Paul that's how they make their money on these, ha
- anna sauce
wow Allen - ok, will definitely give it a shot
- Zee.
i sent you a dm here on ff zee
- Allen Stern
I'm really proud of yesterday's piece on neutrality. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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How often do they ship code at Facebook? This often http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... (via @chaddickerson)
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http://www.facebook.com/note... has a few more details on Facebook's release process
- Mihai Parparita
incom projekt {»You’re«} - http://incom.org/code...
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»You're« is a printed portrait of your virtual web identity, displaying a mash-up of your interests feelings thoughts pictures music and everything you ever published in a specific web community. Your personal data is set in a new context as all data the java based web crawler founds is displayed at once as words or tags which get connected to each other if they are recurrent. The result makes the viewer aware how the mostly idealized virtual identity differs from the real one & how easy one can make a profile of your personality, interests, habits & wishes if you are using web 2.0 communities.
- Iain Baker
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I am trying to build a bunch of developer and geeky-focused searches on real-time-web sites. Post here your favorite geeky search:
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Hadoop, geek, Heroku, PHP are some of mine.
- Robert Scoble
Technology: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
site:php.net "Really is"
- Leonid S. Knyshov
Hadoop: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
geek search? hm... what about searching for drivers for your ubuntu installation or linux how-to's and guides. uber geeknes ftw. =)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Gadgets: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Nir Ben Yona
Google: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- denis
jquery, ruby, drizzle, php, MVC
- mjc
Apostolos: no, I'm talking about searches for Twitter Search http://search.twitter.com or friendfeed search, like I'm posting here. One thing, if they are too noisy I just make them display things that have a "like."
- Robert Scoble
4g lte hsdpa
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
jquery: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
micro nano solar aquaculture
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Robert: yes just saw that. sorry ^_^
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Spam filter for all searches, use service:internal, http://friendfeed.com/search... (because there are many unnecessary facebook, ping.fm, blog entries)
- Alp
Wordpress: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
cloud scale enterprise ubuntu mysql php
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
drizzle: http://friendfeed.com/search... (a great one, but brings up weather info too).
- Robert Scoble
uM foaf semantic web rdf rdfa xmpp
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
vmware, iscsi, NAS, SAN, storage,
- rob friedman
site:stackoverflow.com "C#" OR "Java" OR "PHP" OR "Python" OR "Ruby"
- Varun Mahajan
also "service:delicious" filter brings really good stuff.
- Alp
java eclipse plugin svn ide top10
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
xkcd
- Varun Mahajan
@alp totally agree. delicious is a veritable gold mine for me.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
How many "OR's" can you do on friendfeed? We should build bundles for people and put those into a URL.
- Robert Scoble
realtime OR real-time OR "real time"
- Varun Mahajan
scoble
- Chris Poulson
Google Reader: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
#zf OR zend OR #php -stackalert -fresh_projects -freelance_jobs -lampjobs -flashability -hashphp -hashwp -hashwordpress -phplance http://www.twazzup.com/search...
- arjo
arjo: that's cool AND geeky!
- Robert Scoble
Brian: here's that search for friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Not bad Robert. Or this: http://www.google.com/search... @arjo that's a good one! I suggest also doing searches here: http://news.ycombinator.com
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
date next girl geek dinner Mountain View
- don manu
don: that's funny!
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- don manu
It may be the keyword technology, but that search resulted in pretty bad results! Try MySQL
- Chris Frost
I modified Brian's search a little to come up with something I like (it obviously needs to be tailored to your interests): http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Brandon Titus
(to much) potentially interesting PHP blogs http://friendfeed.com/phpc...
- arjo
Tablet PC: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Rodfather
MID's,Atom,Tablet PC,Snapdragon,UMPC,Moorestown: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Rodfather
iPhone,Palm Pre,Android FF rooms: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Rodfather
Nice ones Rodfather. Atom ++
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
xpath, sql, design patterns, slashdot, anything with ++
- Tomi Itkonen
github - very under-hyped outside of the rails crowd. More important imo than git itself.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Cyril: I don't like Twazzup. Harder to filter. Here's same search on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
busybox, embedded
- Kevin Johnson
Robert: I'm a nerd and I really like friendfeed too. Twazzup might integrate with friendfeed in the future, but right now most of the real-time-web content is on twitter. If there are things we can do with twazzup to make it easier to filter, I would love to hear your thoughts.
- Cyril Moutran
Cyril: I'm using Twazzup too. You're onto something. The money is in search, I hope you succeed! Where are you located, by the way?
- Robert Scoble
django
- Eric Florenzano
I really like Twazzup more then Twitter search. New entries come in real time.No need to refresh the page. Slowly the web is moving into real time updates.
- Keven
roku AND (netflix OR amazon)
- Kevin Kuphal
Framework: http://friendfeed.com/search..., Symfony: http://friendfeed.com/search..., YAML: http://friendfeed.com/search..., Zend: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Kahlil Lechelt
ruby on rails, ajax, palm pre, cloud computing, the cloud
- Angus Burton
what do rails, django piston, web2py and the Twitter and Facebook APIs have in common? REST. it's a style of programming described in a dissertation by http://twitter.com/fielding and it's something i'm always looking to learn more about
- Brian Hendrickson
thanks Robert! thanks Keven! - we're located downtown SF
- Cyril Moutran
Seesmic just got me back from TweetDeck. New Facebook integration rocks.
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when is the update available?
- Jason
Robert, but ther's a integration in tweetdeck?
- Frank
Used Seesmic Desktop since it was released and I must say, its FUN when we can give feedback to team seesmic and you get answer from them almost at once, AND the best: they try to fix it for you
- Qbat
I was watching when you typed that :)
- Simon Wicks
and, yes, when is the update available?
- Frank
I think in about 1-2 days. Think that was what Loic said
- Qbat
Loic said "in few days" in its last Seesmic video (http://ff.im/2oV1P)
- Jérôme Flipo
man, it's possible to have one, just ONE application with friend feed, twitter, facebook and myspace integration?It's possible? :D
- Frank
Frank: Ping.fm ? :P
- Qbat
when are people going to realize that ff is the superior platform and just develop for here and be done with it?
- Jason
Still looking OK?
- Robert Scoble
yes Robert. GREAT
- Qbat
Thanks Larsen, but I want an application that integrate all my social activity. I want to see all my friends, all their status update and their activity. Ping is a simple service that makes updating social networks :)
- Frank
and lastly, someone needs to make an app that keeps ff and twitter friends in sync. I hate adding them manually to ff. It's a pain in the ass.
- Jason
OffTopic: Is it just Larsen that is displayd after my messages? or Larsen aka Qbat ?
- Qbat
So is that 1-2 days for even teamseesmic?
- Kevin Whalen
Hope they can keep memory usage down to DestroyTwitter's levels
- Manuel Mas
I'm hoping to get some sort of app that con hook up to everything under Eeebuntu on my Eee 701 and both be intelligible and not completely eat the CPU and memory.
- Joseph Zitt
@ Joseph Zitt I want to replace my eee 701 with an eee 901 it has loads more memory and battery life.
- Aidan Mann
SD keeps getting better and better and Loic is very responsive. Now, all we need is FF support and this will be the perfect app (and since Twhirl already has FF suport, can SD support be far behind?).
- Chris Sparno
Until the UI is fixed, and it's off AIR, I won't use it. Native apps, FTW!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I downloaded the last version of SD and it overwrote all of the user lists I had worked so hard to create. Until that is fixed, I won't be using SD for more than updates. I posted my feedback to Seesmic's user forum and no one responded. Lovely.
- Rachel Polish
I went back to try it out but I am going to stick with TweetDeck. I think Seesmic needs to learn from TweekDeck.
- Rohit
Agreed! I've just created a userlist called ScobleFeed, it only has one user... ;-)
- Luke Gregory
http://bit.ly/Bj0dC has got more potential than TweetDeck, and doesn't require any plugins/downloads either.
- David Semeria
Rachel, that user list bug should be totally fixed now. Daniel, you have no idea what it takes to create and maintain native apps as advanced as SD on both PC and Mac, I talked to Evernote today and they have LOTS of people to be able to do that.
- Loic Le Meur
Great job, Loic! It's great to have prompt response on our feedback and questions.
- Gerald Neo
That's just because Seesmic got preference by Facebook to present and see the OpenStream code before TweetDeck. Seesmic got a lucky, free head start. I'm happy for Loic in that matter, but TweetDeck will launch the same stuff, I'm pretty sure. Props to Loic for keeping good relationships with the Facebook team to be able to get opportunities like this.
- Jesse Stay
I am still super impressed with Tweetie desktop.
- Daniel Zarick
@Loic ... umm dude it's Thursday here in Africa ... I can haz new SD? ;) Since I deleted my Twitter account (thanks to Kutcher, Winfrey and "Twitter Trick" spammers) my SD testing has been on hold.
- Andy Kruger
Thanks, Loic! I will check it out again and am excited about the Facebook integration.
- Rachel Polish
Now all we need is Friendfeed integration and I'd love it.
- Brandon Mendelson
Giving it another try, but on initial start-up, I am still seeing some of the «issues» that have been irking me since the beginning: too much wasted space in the UI, CPU consistently over 5 to 10% usage, refresh problems lists not getting update or notifications not appearing & my twitter account icon not showing. I will continue to run it for a few days see how...
- Thomas V. Fischer
Seemic Desktop is a great example of iterative/customer focused development. A few more iteration and they might get me to switch from Tweetie (which is an amazing application)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Does Seesmic Desktop suffer from the same memory leak issues as TweetDeck?
- Chris Poulson
TweetDeck is a lot better lately. But I don't care, I run TweetDeck/Seesmic on its own laptop that gets rebooted once a day. So steal my memory, please!
- Robert Scoble
What memory leaks does TweetDeck have? I run it on my Mac and never had any issues.
- Joe Lima
Joe: if you are following lots of people, like I am, it used to leak memory until it would eventually freeze my machine forcing a reboot. It no longer does that. So far neither does Seesmic's new desktop.
- Robert Scoble
I don't get Seemsic interface, staying w Tweetdeck
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
I'm getting tired of changing clients every week. I'll stick with Nambu until more dust settles.
- Doug Kaye
polizeros: you can make Seesmic look very similar to Tweetdeck by dragging things to create columns. Until I got that I didn't like it as much either.
- Robert Scoble
why is it a "seesmic" desktop while it has twitter, facebook... but not seesmic? it's got a cute UI but less features than twhirl used to...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
I think twhirl is being phased out, and seesmic desktop will eventually include additional services.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Excellent! I was just getting ready to switch.
- Kelly Williams
Can't wait for the FriendFeed integration coming soon!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Law Firm Wilson Sonsini Now Preparing Term Sheets For Free - http://www.altgate.com/blog...
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The Term Sheet Generator originated as an internal tool for WSGR attorneys to rapidly generate draft term sheets which they would polish up and then deliver to their clients. Not surprisingly, WSGR Partner Yokum Taku, who I've previously written about, is the key co-conspirator behind making this tool public. I exchanged email with Yokum about this tool and I wanted to excerpt a few take aways from that conversation:
- Charles Hudson
well that's a contrast to the development of term sheets at an enterprise where Charles and I met (to say the utmost least)
- Lou Clark
Create Your Own Economy: The Path to Prosperity in a Disordered World - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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Cubic Telecom partners with Qik - http://patphelan.net/cubic-t...
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Nice seeing you today Pat. I will buy a SIM and use it in July when I go to London.
- Robert Scoble
Great seeing you and Patrick, Robert, lets grab a bite in London
- Patphelan
The Future of Firefox: No Tabs, Built-In Ubiquity - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Doesn't look that exciting... Not sure why I would want to use *their* sidebar instead of a sidebar of my choosing from the web (which is already possible in the current firefox).
- Meryn Stol
Below the "address bar" you can see a bar that reads: "Articles: Saved, Read, New". This indicates some built-in support for workflow. That's good.
- Meryn Stol
Yeah, I hope they don't force side-bars. I'd like the ability to choose to add Tree-tabs addon if I need it, not being forced to use it when I don't.
- brainno722 (Peter)
I have doubts in general if Mozilla has an edge in UI design. I expect HTML rendering to be more and more a standard feature of browsers. They should put their efforts to make Gecko (Firefox's rendering engine) more easily embeddable, so people outside of Mozilla in UI design.
- Meryn Stol
TaskFox looks neat. :) Still, I think this could all be done with regular AJAX.
- Meryn Stol
Yes to Ubiquity, which truly rocks, not so sure about the utility of move away from the tabbed browser in favour of tree structure sidebar..., I don't use any of the many alternatives already available so I'm not sure how it would improve my experience.
- David HC Soul
The newswire of the future will be distributed & bottom up. - Jackie Hai http://ginx.com/-aSlTT
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wow - http://www.youtube.com/watch... - wow for so many reasons
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Wow this is amazing
- Chris Saad
This took my breath away - amazing voice
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I'd admit it...I was getting a little misty-eyed. Hard not to.
- CAJ, somewhere else
When will Simon Cowell bag the ugly ass haircut?
- Alex Scoble
I love these things. Worth watching.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, agreed. I wish the iphone had the ability to send a link to a youtube video quickly so this could be sent to my daughters today
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I wish they tuned down the audience a bit... Could barely hear her at times
- Mark Philpot
this lady certainly has a voice! good for her i say for being brave. :)
- Tatty Gibson
OMG, I'm in tears here. That was lovely and wow that song with all that. Had to favorite it. </sentimental wimp>
- Admiral Anika
Is good to see what nature can do. Incredible voice!
- Rafael
Alan, me too. Out of this world.
- Meryn Stol
Newspaper says she's the frontrunner to win: http://news.scotsman.com/enterta...
- Sprague D
That's a magnificent clip, I wish America's Got Talent was so entertaining and surprising.
- Jonathan Coffman
i watched this last night, love her! Her voice is a true gift.
- Laura Zickus
Thanks for sharing that - perfect for this time of year
- Jesse Stay
She's this year's Paul Potts. Great voices, the pair of them.
- Mark H
That was just amazing. And the perfect song for both her situation and to start the waterworks. Now i have to follow the show and see if she wins.
- Kevin Fox
While I absolutely detest these shows, I must say, this woman got to me.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It says "embedding disabled by request."
- Dawn
You can click through to YouTube via the link. :-)
- Kevin Fox
Awesome
- Rodfather
Wow.
- Todd Hoff
Oh, Duh. Got it, Kevin. This reminds me of the British man who sang opera. It was unbelievable. I think our American shows shoudn't limit the age. I'd love to see what some of the older folks here can do.
- Dawn
Here's the opera guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Dawn
Dawn, America's got talent doesn't limit age either
- Jesse Stay
Great! I was thinking of American Idol. Never seen America's Got Talent.
- Dawn
"so you think you can dance" limits at 30 years or so. Such a shame.
- Kevin Fox
"So that's just one side of me!" Hahaha. So nice, she's courageous and willing, good game! So modest to have her walk away after her performance, I'm almost crying.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Wow. I usually avoid all of these types of shows. But that was very cool!
- Louis Gray
I actually felt a lump form in my throat. Good for her.
- cecily
As LG said, it's my first view of that. Damn talents' shows, they got me.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
it's terrific.. awesome.. fantastic..
- Ozan Kilic
I loved this-she is sublime!
- Susan Dennis
What a beautiful voice. Love how she proved them all wrong.
- Patrick Ward
Fantastic. Thanks for the newspaper link @Sprague D, her life story is just as amazing.
- Henry Burger
awesome
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Wow!
- Phil Maxwell
WOW! brought a few tears to my eye.
- Jasmin Smith
incredi-wow.
- Micah Wittman
Beautiful.
- Santa CW™
Gosh, I think I've watched this video like 50 times already.
- Nir Ben Yona
Just goes to show how synical we all are, and how fast we are to judge people.
- Steve Mactaggart
from twhirl
Incredible stuff.
- Russ Jackson
Not bad! I still prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - That said, it was a surprisingly good performance. Not as much as Paul Potts, who was entirely horripilative and transcendent.
- david beckwith
This was a surprise--and lovely, thx
- susan mernit
and I love this song
- Erin @queenofspain
Awesome performance. I've never seen the look of pleasant surprise on Simon's face before. You could tell that even he enjoyed it. He still needs to get a better haircut though.
- Alex Scoble
Britain may have talent, but that's more than I can say for Simon Cowell. The man is the Antichrist, as far as i'm concerned.
- Iain Baker
He was a tamed little kitteh for 6 minutes during that performance though.
- Alex Scoble
Don't know enough about Cowell to make a value judgement on the man. Sometimes (and I don't know if this is the case with Cowell) the a-hole attitude is a public front. It's possibly the case with Gordon Ramsey, and it certainly is with Ann Robinson - I've been to a recording of 'The Weakest Link' at Pinewood Studios, and she switches 'bitch mode' on and off along with the cameras.
- Ian May
Wow! Brings back memories when I first saw paul potts...
- Jorg Jansen
Seriously? This reeks of scripted viral. The show caught (online) fire in '07 with the Paul Potts audition...arguably the hottest shared video of the year. When the show returned last year, there wasn't an act even minutely close to the WOM impact Potts had generated the privious year. Clearly the BGT online buzz strategy for '09... Potts 2.0. #fail
- Zach Lytwyn
The best thing about this thread is that there is really only one cynical jaded comment out of all of them.
- cecily
Britains Got Talent FTW!
- Nicholas James
I cried...
- mjc
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
- josh neff, geek at large
I was completely amazed...
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Watching Simon's eyes go wide was soooooo worth it.
- Great Scott!
ahh, the power of the edit. great job of making her look like a 'cat lady' for the first several minutes. all the more powerful when we find out she's not totally daft.
- MikeAmundsen
That is one courageuos woman with an amazing voice. Goosebumps all over.
- Jochen Lillich
Don't judge a book by its cover!
- TheHenry
That's absolutely awesome
- C.K. Johnson
'Embedding disabled by request'! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol you can still follow the link to Youtube ;)
- Nicholas James
Nicholas, yeah I did just wondering why it didn't work embedded. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Terminator Salvation Concept Art Reveals Post Apocalyptic San Francisco | /Film - http://www.slashfilm.com/2009...
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good thing we live down in the South Bay! SF looks horrible in the future.
- Brian Johns
i'm looking at a very similar angle out my window right now. not really sure what has changed.
- MG Siegler
It's Hollywood. :)
- Roberto Bonini
The artist took the canonical picture of the Golden Gate Bridge (http://images.google.com/images...) and drew on top of it. In photos, the far tower is off in the distance. In the drawing, the perspective is fucked up -- the far tower is still shortened, but the roadway is much less so, and the near tower is rotated, so the whole thing doesn't make sense any more. It's like the far tower collapsed, but not in a way that makes sense -- why would cables attach halfway up a wrecked tower?
- ⓞnor
Also, there are *extra* cables dangling off the bridge. Some sort of makeshift detritus? I would have expected some of the original cables to have snapped or something. What are all these fires burning? This whole thing looks like someone lazily painted a bunch of "generic industrial/post-apocalyptic stuff" on top of a tourist photo without even trying to conceptualize a scene that makes sense...
- ⓞnor
I can't imagine beautiful SF that way in the future, even more Golden Gate bridge, that is one of the most amazing places I've been...
- Rebeca Zuñiga
the "eye of Sauron" tower is a nice touch. and on the bright side, it looks like there's more street parking available.
- Karim
Does Mashable have credibility re Twitter? - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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That's a huge follower increase.
- Kevin Whalen
Interesting point about the "gift" and the potential taxable nature of it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the biggest problem here was that the 'suggested users' feature twitter introduced was bound to create a divide, and it massively affected those who spent 1+ years building up a big following just to have that worked destroyed. I would not question Mashable - but question the value of those random followers that the 'suggested users' brings.
- Nick Halstead
FYI -- I had been on Twitter 2 years when they introduced this feature.
- Dave Winer
None. In fact I stopped following> The Web site is very good and I visit it several times a week, but I got tired of their Twitter postings, which are essentially ads.
- Stan Scott
The retweet level of mashable suggests that the followers have some significant value. And it also suggests that mashable is making considerably more money because of the addition to the SUL. Very unfair to those who put all their time and effort into building twitter IMO. Let's hope that doesn't happen to the same people as they build followings here on FriendFeed :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, it helps that Mashable is using our (tweetmeme) - retweet button :)
- Nick Halstead
Nick: the button was only clicked by people who went to the site. (but you are correct that does help the rt level)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks Dave for pointing this out, I was wondering when we would start addressing these issues because i noticed that some bloggers are pro Twitter and they are all in the SUL. Is there any transparency in the Suggested User list selection? I would hope FF avoids this situation by encouraging users to create SULs. A good example is Wayne Sutton, he was looking for a list of suggested users a couple of hours ago and he got lots of suggestions from users see http://beta.friendfeed.com/waynesu...
- Tweet Feeds
I think everyone overestimates the value of followers and doth protest too much by protesting at all.
- Patrick Boegel
I agree with Nick on this one, the suggested list by Twitter falsely inflates and favors certain users over others. The list seems to be an arbitrary and since no one knows what the criteria for creating was it just leads to more questions by those who were not included on it. Especially those who had large followings before the list was created.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: This is the resounding opinion of everyone that is not on the SUL. Especially those who built Twitter. Furthermore, the page about the SUL (on Twitter) suggests that "random" Twitter users will be drawn, and then selected according to a certain set of criteria. The Fact is that the SUL has not changed (to my knowledge) in months. And you're correct, if no one knows the arbitrary criteria for getting on the list, we are led to more questions. Like: should I bring in some cupcakes?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
or was it cookies? (:
- Kim Landwehr
or like you state later on, does Twitter have any credibility left to impart now? It's truly a depreciating factor re: the follow list. It's 140 characters of acronym's & tinyurl's/a medium for the hoi polloi. The emperor Twitter has no clothes so to speak.
- sofarsoShawn
Regarding overestimating the value of followers... I recently started using bit.ly for my Twitter links and am getting an average 20 clicks for each link I post - I have 500 followers. By the same token 400,000 followers would generate 16,000 clicks. I would say that's pretty valuable.
- Alx Klive
Alx: It truly depends on how you gained the followers, and who you are. The 25k followers somone has from using buzzom.com is do not have the same intrinsic value as the 25k followers someone gains from sharing and engaging online. But Yes....16000 clicks is very valuable.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Is this really any different than back in the early web when Yahoo would feature a site or you had Cool Site of the Day? Did certain blogs get featured somewhere back when blogging was just getting started? Hasn't there always been something like this.
- PXLated
Inside A Google Data Center - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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See those 17 containers on the left? Those are serving requests for the word "sex". Excellent video BTW.
- Yuval Atzmon
New User Interface Coming to FriendFeed - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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What does this photo of Robert Scoble have to do wth the new FriendFeed UI? Well, not much, but they do have a pair of Hulk gloves at the FriendFeed office and since I didn’t have any photo manipulations of Scoble as the Hulk already, I thought now was as good a time as any to make one. Earlier this evening FriendFeed gathered a small group of journalists, bloggers and users at their headquarters in Mountain View, California to demo a new beta user interface that they plan on releasing very shortly. The details of the new user interface are still private with an embargo on the news. According to FriendFeed Co-founder Bret Taylor, the embargo is put in place to make sure that when people write reviews about the new interface that it will coincide with the actual launch of the beta enabling FriendFeed users to try the new site out for themselves.
- Thomas Hawk
hulksmash!
- Brandon
Sounds good! You in on the beta testing then?
- Simon Wicks
yeah Simon, everyone else will be soon as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Cool! :)
- Jemm
more teasers, cmooon
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
OMG that is awesome! What a Hulk of guy!
- Susan Beebe
Those picts show lots of cool folks converging on this eve of the beta rollout Monday - cool team of collaborators
- Susan Beebe
Liked for how the photo came out!
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait!
- Kristian Salonen
The individual as a PR campaign...
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
man... you're either totally lame in photoshop or you just forgot that you don't colorize the background to make radioactive people :)
- Dorian Muthig
The fists emanate a green overlay.
- Kevin Fox
Caption: "I'm a social media expert" :D
- Josh Haley
Sounds interesting. I wonder how it'll turn out.
- Tyson Key
I've been putting a list of what we know about the radically new friendfeed design here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Tim and Kevin - http://vimeo.com/3934635
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Dave, if you could go back in time, would you have used JSON instead of XML for RSS, OPML, XML-RPC, etc, had JSON been popularized at the time?
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The reason I ask is that most of those protocols and formats don't use much of the extras that XML is required for (schemas, namespaces, attributes, data escaping, etc). Simple key/value/dict/array/string/number structures would be sufficient in all those cases. If you could take a do-over, would you?
- DeWitt Clinton
"On the other hand, gratuitous syntactic diversity is not a feature. I remember in the early days of XML, Tim Bray used to start his pitch for XML by showing a whole bunch of widely different Linux config file formats. It was quite compelling: the lack of consistency was obviously confusing and pointless. Now I don't think anybody would suggest that XML is the right format for...
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- Shakeel Mahate
The above quote is from James Clark http://blog.jclark.com/2008... where he is discussing MGrammar from Microsoft. But it is asking the same question as you are.
- Shakeel Mahate
Great question! And if you look at how I use XML, you know the answer is yes. I have no love for XML, I thought it was over engineered, and too much was promised for it, but everyone wanted to do it, and that convinced me. The important thing is the consensus. One way to do things. And the second guy to come along has the power to make the standard, and in XML I was one of the "second guys" (the first wave were the guys at Microsoft, Netscape, Sun, etc).
- Dave Winer
So, by accepting the invitation to design my own formats as long as I used XML, I thought everyone would be happy. Turned out not to be so, they wanted to control things all the way up to the top of the stack, the arguments never stopped. That's what I like about JSON, it has a low-techness to it, no fuss, no pretension. That's how I viewed XML.
- Dave Winer
But... Look at what we were able to do with XML. One of the proudest moments for me was when Eric Raymond discovered XML-RPC and said it had the same philosophy as Unix. I grew up on Unix as Unix was growing up, and that's the highest compliment, I could write a book on why Unix does so much yet is so empty and open. That's what I hope for everything I do.
- Dave Winer
Anyway, thanks for asking.
- Dave Winer
Great response, Dave. Thanks for answering!
- DeWitt Clinton
I never minded XML, till I inherited the responsibility of hosting a chatroom and had to use the server software & bot scripts from the previous host. That was when I came across this inappropriate use for XML...as the scripting language for the bot. You have no idea how much I wanted to tear my hair out while sorting through those scripts. Just for a taste of what I had to deal with, here is one of the shorter scripts. This is a Mastermind game: http://pastebin.ca/1353820
- April Russo (app103)
That is a great answer, and exactly what I was getting at in my comment on the other post. The attribute vs contents split in XML means you always need marshal/unmarshal overhead to get it into a native structure. With JSON you don't.
- Kevin Marks
Great thread. Thanks for sharing, Dave et al
- kortina
Kevin, are you saying that Javascript doesn't turn the text representation of JSON into binary data before programs operate on it? If true, that's remarkable. BTW, when we wrote our XML parser for Frontier, in C, the typical machine ran at 200 MHz and had about (guessing) 100MB of memory. Obviously today's machines are much bigger and faster, yet people *still* raise the encoding and decoding perf issues as if they matter in 2009, I don't see any evidence that they do.
- Dave Winer
JSON rocks. that is all
- Susan Beebe
The issue today is installed base of code and data. If I could have talked to the guys designing the data model for JavaScript I would have really strenuously argued for XML, rather than fracture the base. But what's done is done. Let's hope it doesn't happen *again* but it will of course, always does. I also found it ironic that Bray used an example of different config files, yet when he reinvented RSS, he didn't even reuse its names. So we have items and whatever Atom calls items. (I forget.)
- Dave Winer
Since people aren't shouting me down (yet, thankfully) anotherdesign error in Atom is the link element. It's yet another reinvention of XML inside an XML format! (I know OPML looks like that too, but that was in 2000, and that format makes sense when you view it from inside the app whose file format it is, an outliner with attributes.) Why not make every element in Atom an instance of <link>? What was the design rationale for that?
- Dave Winer
When I use xml I feel i'm on an old calculator typing (1 + 1)/(2 + 4) =. Much better to use rpn: 1 enter 1 + 2 enter 4 + /. Now applying this to "xml" your namespace definitions supply you with your operators. Add xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" to your page and <georss:point>45.256 -71.92</georss:point> becomes 45.256 -71.92 point.
- mal
re "Why not make every element in Atom an instance of <link>?", that would more or less be RDF. And we all know where that leads! :)
- Dan Brickley
BREAKING: Spotify Hacked. If You Are a Member, Read This. - The Next Web - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Question: why the hell they want to hack Spotify? And I change password.
- Kristian Salonen
Or more correctly "Spotify was briefly vulnerable to a hole that allowed a hacker that already knew your username to get access to the salted hash of your password which if you had a reasonably secure one would take a hecklong time to break". It's not like they got a database dump or anything, they could query individual hashes based on username. Not to say it's not bad, but at least not as catastrophical as the headline indicates.
- Daniel Bruce
well the fact that Spotify themselves are stating that ANYONE who signed up before the 24th December should change their passwords on every internet service they use (if they use the same password)...that is a catastrophic in my book.
- Zee.
Changed my details :)
- Simon Wicks
Password changed...i signed up only a month ago, but still changed it
- Adarsh
@Zee: I suppose, just putting the details out.
- Daniel Bruce
yeah, no doubt Daniel
- Zee.
Microsoft’s low-power data center ideas - http://media.seagate.com/2009...
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Tape Cassette Inserts - a set on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Iain you may know this, did bands purposely record albums over 45 minutes long, so we couldn't fit 2 on a C90, and ended up going out and buying them? :)
- Vicky
Not sure Vicky, but I know that CD's influenced the size of Blank Cassettes - most manufacturers started selling "C90+" tapes, with another 10 minutes tacked onto the tape, to accomodate the fact that most CD albums tended to be much longer....
- Iain Baker
The C76 length tapes were really cheeky
- James
Behold! The Homeless Geeks Office! - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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that's starbucks btw....
- Zee.
I wanna see the bag he uses to carry all that around
- Marcus Beagley
I wasn't sure if that was starbucks or B&N. That's one hell of a mobile office though!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
funny, i work from a coffee shop most of the time, and i've wondered in my head if it would be weird if i brought in a second monitor...and maybe some pics of my family :) this opens the door to opportunity for me
- Scott Sorheim
yeahi actually like working from starbucks occasionally but I would love to see peoples expressions as I set up my 30" apple display, keyboard, mouse etc.. then grab a coffee... priceless.
- Zee.
I've brought external HDDs but never a 2nd monitor or extra keyboard.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
That's just silly, get a laptop.
- Richard A.
Apple Says iPhone Jailbreaking is Illegal | Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/deeplin...
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Jailbreaking an iPhone constitutes copyright infringement and a DMCA violation, says Apple in comments filed with the Copyright Office as part of the 2009 DMCA triennial rulemaking. This marks the first formal public statement by Apple about its legal stance on iPhone jailbreaking. Apple's iPhone, now the best-selling cellular phone in the U.S., has been designed with restrictions that prevent owners from running applications obtained from sources other than Apple's own iTunes App Store. "Jailbreaking" is the term used for removing these restrictions, thereby liberating your phone from Apple's software "jail." Estimates put the number of iPhone owners who have jailbroken their phones in the hundreds of thousands. As part of the 2009 DMCA rulemaking, EFF has asked the Copyright Office to recognize an exemption to the DMCA to permit jailbreaking in order to allow iPhone owners to use their phones with applications that are not available from Apple's store (e.g., turn-by-turn directions
- Leo Laporte
Boo!
- Joey Gibson
Who didn't see this coming. Raise your hands; you too, over there in the back...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
*le sigh*
- Darrell Bell
from twhirl
Well that's a shocker. I am shocked I tell you, shocked!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Hey, there's thing called the DMCA, Apple, which allows jailbreaking on a personal scale. No one's profiting off of this.
- Mike Nayyar
Is it just me, or is this analogous to me buying a DVD player at Best Buy only to find out that it will only play DVDs bought from Best Buy? Or buying a computer with Windows loaded only to find it will only run software purchased from Microsoft?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
When does the non-DMCA version come out with the 30% greater price tag?
- David Knight
I refuse to buy anything that ties me totally into one brand or manufacturer.
- Ian May
I am not a copyright expert, but from my perspective I don't see how this fits into a copyright violation. It could be a breach of contract if the sale "contract" included an express prohibition, but I don't think that it does. Didn't see any fine print that said that anyway.
- Martha
I think Apple needs to be worrying consumer concerns and addressing the motivation for Jailbreaking. Apple needs to remove the asinine restrictions regarding what types of apps can run in the platform,. If they did that, guess what, nobody would have an incentive to Jailbreak. This is the precise behavior that would cause people to look at devices like the Palm Pre. I can make your product better by Jailbreaking, but to do so is a crime. Get a life and a clue Apple.
- Darrell Bell
from twhirl
So glad I don't have an iPhone or any other Apple product. I'm sick of their domineering bullshit.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But apple isn't evil.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Give me a "jailbreak" Chris, your ignorance is as pronounced as Microsoft's lack of ingenuity!
- Brad Stolba
I like apple's design, but this kind of atitude has to change. I have an iPhone, and a mac laptop. I guess it's back to Linux for my next devices. I never should have left.
- Don Faulkner
from twhirl
It sure is easy to make your software look like it works slick when you design it to be hardware specific instead of hardware agnostic....
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's the domineering bit that sucks. If I buy a phone, and can then only install what YOU determine is ok for it, you can go shove it where the sun don't shine. I'm not anti-apple, just against having the scenario of having to buy and/or use an inferior product that you deem ok, over a superior one that you deem isn't.
- Ian May
I really like Apple products, but other than ipods for me and my family, I don't own any, partially at least because of issues like this. According to legend, Apple Just Works, but isn't it (or shouldn't it be) up to consumers whether they want their stuff to Just Work, or to assume the risk of messing around with it themselves? Apple should just say, if you jailbreak your iphone, you void the warranty, and too bad for you if something breaks.
- Steve Lowe
Boo Apple!
- Paul Wade
Telling you exactly how to be an individual since 1984...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Apple is doing a dangerous dance with this evangelical fanboy. If they proceed in this direction, I'm done.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Being one of the last vertically integrated companies ensures this behavior. Not really sure why people are so surprised.
- Ari Braginsky
In other news, I don't care Apple.
- Fleagle
How do you know its Apple? The exemption was unlocking phones for the sole purpose of legally connecting to another wireless provider is OK. Even if the comments were filed to the DMCA by Apple, it could certainly be because of pressure from AT&T.
- Mona Nomura
I don't care either, I don't have i anything here anyway,.. hardware or software.
- Ian May
***Smile*** -Android
- Jon Mason
This should increase sales. I'm serious.
- Bwana ☠
Just curious, are all the iPhone nay-sayers against the iPhone because of Apple? Or because of the hardware? There is no phone that beats the iPhone and Apple's overall UX in the current market. Aside from QiK, why would you need to Jailbreak anyway? The stock utility apps suffice.
- Mona Nomura
I'm not against the iPhone as such.I'm just more than happy with my Blackberry. I wouldn't want AT&T as my provider though. The stock utility apps might well suffice, but that's not really the answer, as many people want the ability to try alternatives. Having that option blocked by draconian measures isn't really cool at all. It's about choice.
- Ian May
My iPhone has been incredibly buggy since jailbreaking it. Found I'm not using video as much as I had planned so I'm constantly thinking more and more about restoring it. Thinking about it though, it does bother me that they want to enforce this. I like being able to choose whether I want a buggy phone or not.
- Robert DeBord
Mona, the reasons to jailbreak are decreasing, but there are still benefits such as UI customization, video recording (Cycorder) and further camera enhancements (Snapture, ClearCam). Personally, I know I could get by without jailbreaking so this isn't a big deal to me, but I'm not surprised by the reaction. It's pretty much the same deal as Hackintoshes (which is in court now), but on cell phones.
- Bwana ☠
Same here Robert, I had planned on restoring mine in the near future. This announcement is a kick in the pants to do it :)
- Bwana ☠
Ian - the app store provides more than enough choices...
- Mona Nomura
The past few days, some have argued the app store has TOO MANY choices :P
- Bwana ☠
Yes Mona, but without jailbreaking you can't install pirated apps ;)
- Robert DeBord
+1 Mona
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
And Robert has stated the real reason behind this. Apple was fine with everything until the pirates came along. Always ruin everything, I'm telling ya. :)
- Bwana ☠
Apple's entire business model is predicated on the closed nature of the platform. If you want an open platform, you get a Windows Mobile phone. Or a G1. That said, the App store is huge!!!!!! And I agree with Mona.
- Roberto Bonini
Mona, as I don't have an iPhone I don't know much about the app store, but I also understand there's some kind of convoluting process for writers to get apps in the store? As yet, there's no BB apps store, but I can pretty much install any JRE app in any case.
- Ian May
Ian, if a 14 year old kid can get an app on the app store and make money, anyone who's serious about it can
- Bwana ☠
Don't forget how much free time a 14 year old has. And oh, every article about some crackerjack 6 yr old who published an iPhone fails to mention the CTO developer parent behind the scenes :p
- Ari Braginsky
Still, the point remains.. it's not hard to get an application on the app store. It's hard if you break the rules however. (See: Qik, Ustream, anyone who steps on AT&T's precious bandwidth)
- Bwana ☠
Or a 9year old...
- Mona Nomura
Bwana, you have a point. As I said above, I'm only repeating what I heard, as I have no personal experience with the iPhone or the store.
- Ian May
This is very much a clash of cultures. Those who, historically, don't use apple products are used to self determination when it comes to technology - they're the ones using it, why can't they decide what they do with it? Why *should* you have to use the apps store if you don't want to? What if the app store doesn't provide something you want? Or doesn't provide it well enough.. where do you go?
- alphaxion
Can a 14 year old fill out tax forms and submit the $100 developer application with a credit card? I know I know, just pointing out some of the hurdles that aren't really brought up much. The provisioning and certificate hoops you go through is a pain at first but once you do it the first time it's not bad.
- Ari Braginsky
I love the apps and the only reason I have seen thus far to jailbreak is to get turn by turn directions on my iPhone's gps. But, I currently am content to wait until the offer it above the table.
- Martha
You know what they should do next to really drive home their point? Sue some single mother for $250,000!
- Geoff Schultz
@Geoff - You missed one vital step. Sue dead people, and elderly people who don't own computers.
- Tyson Key
Apple: our customers SUCK!
- You.
This is why I advocate Symbian OS, and anything that's not an iPhone...
- Tyson Key
Maybe it's me but WiFi is so accessible tethering isn't an issue. Apps are becoming more cloud sourced / web based, being hung up on native apps and local storage is backwards thinking.
- Mona Nomura
Mona makes a great argument... for the Palm Pre.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's too early to pitch for Palm Pre Mona :)
- Bwana ☠
@mona ownership of data is *never* backwards thinking... it's the thing that concerns me the most about people trying to push the decades old cloud agenda and is something that is totally overlooked until it's too late. Why do you think corporations have been rejecting the notion that storing all of your data and applications with a 3rd party without having your own infrastructure for the past 3 or 4 decades?
- alphaxion
And WinMo as well as Symbian - from what I hear. People may have doubts about the cloud but I can not be more excited for the day we no longer have to worry about data synching / transferring. Just back-up, back-up, back-up.
- Mona Nomura
The Archive Team would beg to differ :) http://archiveteam.com/index...
- Ari Braginsky
personally I will always maintain my own infrastructure and will always own my own data. Stuff I do in the cloud will always be just sharing it with others, should anything happen to those entities my stuff will always be safe.
- alphaxion
I've been saying this since CES. Pre may not be "the" handset but I am certainly excited for Nova. And alphaxion: exactly. Back-up and take precautionary measures to fit your individual needs.
- Mona Nomura
I'd rather have a phone with an open platform where I know that I can extract all my data from it, install whatever software I want, or tether it to a computer without having to worry about a gatekeeper, even if it doesn't have a "slick" GUI and a load of bravado and drooling fans surrounding it, for what it's worth...
- Tyson Key
If it doesn't let you move and copy contacts, calendar entries. entire mailboxes/folders full of messages, and install software to a removable memory card, so that it can be backed-up as many times as necessary, it's not worth it, in my opinion.
- Tyson Key
Then Tyson - Android is for you! :)
- Mona Nomura
@Mona - I'm also looking forward to seeing the Pre/Nova. Any idea about which versions of Android contain those features, out of interest? I can't remember the version shipping with the emulator containing them, last time I tried it, although I know that I'm able to do that sort of stuff with the phone I have now, and a copy of FExplorer. (There's also a "Back-up" option in the Memory card application that copies everything to a seemingly proprietary .arc file on the card).
- Tyson Key
Another thing that sucks about the iPhone - No OBEX.
- Tyson Key
"iPhone - I'm In Yah Hand, Eatin' Yah Dataz" ;)
- Tyson Key
@Ari - Thanks for pointing me towards the Archive Team site. It looks like an interesting project, and I'm tempted to see what they're up to.
- Tyson Key
Interesting to see that a FriendFeed Archiver is already kicking around at http://github.com/lmorcha.... I just hope that I never have to use it more than once.
- Tyson Key
No problem. They're looking for quality contributors too.
- Ari Braginsky
What is this Nova cellphone that some of you speak of?
- Darrell Bell
@Darrell - Nova was the codename/working name for Palm's WebOS Linux-based platform used on the Pre smartphone.
- Tyson Key
@ Whiners. I want the coolest hand-held device that works. All this other jail-breaking, complaining and Apple-hating can be solved in a second. Don't buy one. Shut up and go with Android, but don't surf the net, it's been hacked. Wait for the Pre, and wait. Meanwhile no cash flow for Palm, not a penny, while we WAIT. Clunky click a Storm. Be happy. Just quit yer bitchin'
- Phil Boiarski
I didn't say that I hated it, just that it had a number of flaws that reduce it's utility to me. I still think that it's an interesting and novel product, as far as technology and the software stack itself goes, though.
- Tyson Key
This really opens up more market share for the HTC Dream aka T-mobile G1. Think about it, it's open source. You can't beat that, apple.
- Carlos
@Phil that sounds amazingly like what can be said about windows haters. amazing!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
while, I agree that it's stupid and *maybe a little self-destructive - I would have to say, @Carlos, that Apple actually is handily beating the G1... :)
- felix
There is no perfect phone, and there probably won't be one, but we can still try...
- Tyson Key
@Tyson // Thanks for the clarification
- Darrell Bell
@Darrell - No problem, glad that I could clear that up for you.
- Tyson Key
some of the things that apple does to its user base, are almost as incredible as what its user base puts up with.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Bullshit Apple, bullshit. But... I have a iPod Touch and Apple don't say that I can't jailbreak that :P
- Kristian Salonen
Don't have to worry. I don't buy apple crap.
- Stephan Miller
@Felix, just wait for G2, G3, etc.
- Carlos
Good luck on that one. Jailbreak! I stillhave my BB Pearl though, so I can't talk.
- John McElhenney 2.0
Carlos - I bought a G1 2 days ago and, while its not as polished as my iPhone, being able to do what the hell I want is great. There's a good post over in the Android room about that browser issue too
- Jeffrey Canton
Not really understanding why all the Apple hatred here. As well as research, and running legitimate apps not approved by apple, Jailbreaking lets people run Pirate copies of apps from the app store. Some software companies are seeing as many as 2/3 of the copies being pirate instances running on jailbroken phones. This suggests to me that the majority of jailbreaking is being done to enable people to avoid paying for the Apps from the store, not to run the innocent apps that haven't been enabled by Apple.
- Robin Barooah
Let's not forget that Apple has actually enabled a whole group of independent and creative people to make a living from creating interesting mobile software, and that jailbreaking is harming these people far more than it is harming Apple directly. (http://tinyurl.com/bxaws3) (http://tinyurl.com/akfpy5)
- Robin Barooah
I agree with apple, and normally I wouldn't jailbreak it, but I'm needing copy/paste, tethering and video recording so i do it, apple get those things out, and won't consider jailbreaking again. i know there is this mess with people pirating apps using jailbreak. But I don't support that, i buy my apps.
- Edgar Rodríguez
from twhirl
I'd guess that Apple are not really concerned about using the DMCA to stop people, but are more worried that the EFF might have some success in forcing them to 'open' the platform. Perhaps they are positioning themselves at one end of the spectrum so that they have room for compromise.
- Robin Barooah
handicap
- emma
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- thegeniusfiles
First Screenshot of Google Chrome for Mac - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
Walt Ruppar, iSteeve, Igor Poltavskiy and 47 other people liked this
Hurry.
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
doesn't look mac like. Maybe it's just me. Atleast we have the damn thing at last.
- vijay
What do you mean by that?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
The "snap" one is priceless
- Brian Sullivan
I heart the sad tab :)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Google can shove it
- sofarsoShawn
OMG OMG OMG!!!! I've never been so happy to see screen shots of a piece of software.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
@Mathew 1UP yeaaaaaahhhhh yet another browser! Only till one can compare to firefox...
- sofarsoShawn
I meant the UI doesn't feel right. I don't know what exactly ticks me off. It's a feeling. But like I said, maybe it's just me.
- vijay
Shawn what's your problem today? If you don't have anything nice to say STFU. @Mathew - actually w/out extensions wouldn't Chrome be like WebKit? I wonder how they differ.
- Mona Nomura
was just concuring w/ Mathew's sarcasm
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn what is your problem today? If you don't have anything nice to stay STFU.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I think it's because the graphics are pixelated and the typeface is UGLY haha!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
whoaaaaaa chill or STFU take a joke
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn - can you stay off my feed today? Or until you get some coffee in your system please?
- Mona Nomura
im currently using chrome on pc but havent completely switched from firefox yet. as soon as chrome gets extensions. i'll probably leave firefox behind :'-(
- Alfredo
I guess it's the slanted tabs. OS X has only rounded rectangles. Those slanted tabs stand out like a sore thumb in OS X.
- vijay
Torture...
- Cheryl Jones
The only thing that keeps me from ditching Firefox and running Chrome in VMware Fusion is the fact that Chrome doesn't have extensions yet. Overall Chrome is the best browser out there and really only needs a couple more things to take the number one spot.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
It's Alive!
- Tyson Key
I personally like life with no extensions. Simplifying = win.
- Mona Nomura
the ZEN way of life? count me in as well. But I would LoVe it if they made the tabs NOT slanted.
- vijay
So many months for that?
- Richard A.
I don't really care what it looks like, I'm just excited to see if Chrome really handles separate instances better than Firefox or WebKit...
- Mona Nomura
from IM
It's a start, anyway. +1 for the Sad Tab
- Tyson Key
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