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The New Pocket Protectors for Geek 2.0s - http://www.designboom.com/weblog...
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haha
- Rodfather
I know! hahhahahaha!
- Mona Nomura
Is that a pack of smokes in his neck? Why would he stash it in his neck brace? Stick some side mirrors on there.
- Rodfather
No dude, it's an EFin PDA or a phone with a QWERTY. , geek cred = diminished!
- Mona Nomura
whoa, those are tooo hot to wear Ack! great for the dude trying to fake that care accident injury tho
- Susan Beebe
You sure? Looks like a deck of cards too haha.
- Rodfather
This is all kinds of bizarre! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
No
- Outsanity
If cell phones do cause cancer, the dude in picture #1 is toast.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Perfect for the plane.
- l0ckergn0me
it looks like a designer neck brace
- Mike Hussein Cohen
The dude has a pack of Marlboro's in his neck.
- Rodfather
er. no?
- Admiral Anika
Is this because geeks get beat up a lot?
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
instantly improve your douche cred with the Fucktard Neck Purse
- Mattb4rd
is that even comfy! OMG FAIL hahahahaha
- *Tiffany Diamond*
6 months ago? seriously?
- Alfredo
from fftogo
*Eyes roll* —But here's the scary thing: not that many years ago the picture of _that guy_ you know the one with a bluetooth earpiece, complete with flashing blue LED, walking around in pubic with it permanently affixed would have gotten a similar reaction as we have here. Like I said, scary thought.
- Micah Wittman
Clearly designed with that accident in mind that you'll be in after texting or tweeting while driving. Perfect!
- iSteeve
Rofl...I needed a good laugh today...thanx
- Ferwin
from Nambu
I thought that was President Obama with his neck in a sling at first.
- Sharron Field
from twhirl
Laugh but you know you WANT
- sofarsoShawn
Oh dear.
- Kol Tregaskes
o_O
- Manuela
o.0
- Caroline
Funniest thing I have seen today. LOL P.S. the PDA says Marlboro !!!
- Eric Logan
The "neck plinth" must be great at keeping your neck straight. That one I wish I had :) (the wire thing on the girl's neck in the last pic)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Tools I use: SoundTrack, Logic Studio, GarageBand. Each has its purpose. I use SoundTrack to prepare my backing tracks for when I perform online. I play piano using a Yamaha P140, into a Mackie mixer, into a MOTU 828mkII, into my Mac.
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I also play chromatic harmonica, melodica, and alto saxophone.
- Patrick Beard
I mostly use Jeskola buzz for composing, sequencing, reaper to voice, and sample edits and recording, then we have Roland TB303,Roland TR808,Roland TR707,Roland TR727,Roland mc202,Jupiter 4, Polysix and mc 909 to play with
- Ben Borges
@benborges Aaaah.. TR-707.. I really miss this one!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Logic Studio | Zoom In - http://www.zoom-in.com/logic-s...
Looks useful.
- Patrick Beard
Microsoft's new ads make me realize that its marketing is as clueless as ever.
Nicholas James, Chris Messina, Mike Fruchter and 32 other people liked this
I thought it was clever.
- John Denver
You say "ads"... are we talking about more than just "Shoe Circus"?
- Wade Dorrell
I think this is a beginning of a series to get people talking. Seems to be working so far!
- Paul Reynolds
I just saw shoe circus, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
The ad wasn't intended to do anything more than link Jerry Seinfeld and Microsoft. I think it succeeded. We'll see where it goes next.
- Chris Baskind
Perhaps it's just so darn clever that hardly anybody has realised just how clever it is...
- Jonathan Beckett
Its way to early to judge the campaign, we have no idea what direction they will take with the future ads. I think the first ad was interesting, crap on its own but as part of a larger campaign it may be alright
- Arthur Guy
It's not about Apple, it's not even about us (even though we think the world revolves around Blogs, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) It's about connecting with consumers again. And as pointed out already here in the comments - this video is just the start. My thoughts Microsoft - a Consumer Brand? http://tinyurl.com/5kap2w
- Dave Isbitski
I like Jerry Seinfeld. The jokes weren't clear. the sound on some of Bill Gates' lines was muffeld. I like Jerry.
- Steve Garfield
from twhirl
I wouldn't even call them ads, they are more like Microsoft branded entertainment. It has nothing to do with a product, more just "hey that Bill Gates isn't such a mean guy, he's funny, and look it's Jerry Seinfeld!"
- Chris Stevenson
Did someone in that crew think that the old Taster's Choice ads were especially clever
- Laurie Sefton
from twhirl
For years Microsoft never even had a marketing campaign (at least not one noteworthy enough to reach the average user), and now, they have adopted a shoot from the hip strategy that is sure to keep them as clueless as ever.
- jcunwired
Marketing doesn't always have to be about shoving products and taglines down people's throats. No commercial will ever convince people that Vista is awesome and at least they realize that. These commercials appear to be aimed at MSFT's real problem which is their brand image, and I think this one did a pretty good job at reframing people's image of the company.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
i thought it was great. the first of many. and +1 Devlin
- Morgan
It was a funny commercial but in no way is going to help Vista sales IMHO
- David Ward
Marketing is about positioning your brand in the mind of the consumer. I thought they were dreadful, but then marketers always hate each others ads ;-)
- Sally Church
i agree david - but i don't think the goal is to help Vista sales.
- Morgan
I had a group of 12-16 year old Boy Scouts in my home for that, and not a single one of them could figure out what that was an ad for, neither could the adults, non-techies, that were in the room. (and neither could I, the techie) It wasn't until I read it on blogs later that I realized it was a Microsoft ad.
- Jesse Stay
The ad is neat. But I think they need more than neat. I think they've overestimated the esteem of their brand and underestimated the damage of those Mac ads.
- timedalkat
It was pretty subtle. They're trying to say "we get it, we know what you want, and we know we haven't done it yet" but it's a little on the wink wink nudge nudge side. Then again, if they just came out and said "we're going to stop making lousy operating systems" nobody would believe them, so indirect and implicit is probably the best they can do. I don't envy Microsoft marketing and the position they are in.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Seinfeld's show was about nothing. But you had to watch a lot of it to really appreciate it. If Redmond can create that sort of viewing behavior, they have a shot at conveying a message. It's an expensive way to go, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Jason, what are they trying to say they get? Shoes?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Of course all of this presupposes that the people who matter even watch commercials anymore. I certainly don't. I've got better things to do with my time...
- Alex Scoble
And this spots looks like anything but a commercial.
- Chris Baskind
I thought it was slow, boring, confusing, "insider", and denigrating to both of these talented people (Jerry and Bill)
- Roxanne Darling
from twhirl
The interesting thing for me were the Hispanic influences in the commercial from the family wondering who they were to churros at the beginning and ending
- Tomas
from Alert Thingy
I didn't love the ad, but I think this is a long term campaign to put a human face onto Microsoft, something they desperately need. They don't need to sell more vista with this one ad, they need to change everyone's perspective on MS as a company. If they can do that, they'll sell more everything.
- felix
i think CEOs (or former CEOs) make lousy actors - esp. in *ads* for *their* company. bad move.
- MikeAmundsen
Did somebody get a talking points memo about this? I keep seeing comments about "putting a human face" on MS. Whatever.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Nope. Didn't work for me either.
- Jorge Escobar
Sorry I should have been more clear. To me it said that they know their operating systems aren't "easy as cake". Meh, it's an ad. Whatever.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Robert, given your insider knowledge of MS culture, what do you think they need to do?
- Sprague D
Microsoft explains Seinfeld/Gates Ad....http://www.rlslog.net/microso...
- Tim Vo
Getting a new tattoo this weekend. What does everyone think of tattoos? Ya got some??
Carlos Ayala, Cecil Sandus, Soulhuntre and 5 other people liked this
Yes sir! Gonna get my 2nd one too :)
- Mona Nomura
NOAP
- Rochelle
It better be a tattoo of FriendFeed or I don't want to hear about it.
- Louis Gray
Not a fan at all, but hey, that's me.
- David Risley
I'm averse to pain, so no tattoos for me...plus i'd probably pick something that I think is cool now and would be sick of in 3 years...like a friendfeed tattoo :p
- Alex Scoble
over rated and don't over do it
- orionstarr
+1 Louis.. but no go. :-) I've got a celtic thing going on.. right now on my chest.. I'm getting a cross on my right side.
- Kyle Lacy
it's a shande
- Nathan Rein
I want more. It's addictive. Just haven't had the funds.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
LOL.. Come on.. give me a break Patricia
- Kyle Lacy
I prefer pure unadulterated nakedness.. no tatts, no piercings.
- Jasmin Smith
Shey? SHEY??
- Kyle Lacy
I have five so far. The Partner-in-crime and I have matching ones (cue the "awwws"). I've also got the pawprints of my much loved cat who died in May. That way I have her with me always (awwww2)
- Nine
yep an angel on my left shoulder and an evil on the right one :)
- webosapien (Burcu Tüzün)
Have two. Going to be getting my left arm added to soon to be a full sleeve once I'm done with the design.
- ·[▪_▪]·
lol.. No pictures of my chest. NOPE
- Kyle Lacy
@Kyle LOL! Shey's at his baseball game.. but no he doesn't have any tattoos or piercings -- which is just the way I like it!
- Jasmin Smith
+1 Jasmin.. you let him get his baseball on
- Kyle Lacy
I have more tattoos than Popeye - http://s302.photobucket.com/albums...
- Jay Martin
I like tattoos, but I can never find any graphic that I think I wouldn't get sick of looking at after a while.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
I go the religious route on my tats.. I know they will always mean something of significance
- Kyle Lacy
Yep 2, i'll get one last one soon.
- Zee.
i sooooo want to do my lower back!!! too bad there aren't decent ink artists around
- embee
i want to eventually put my avatar pic on my arm or back. but i want some old school japanese dude with a chisel to do it
- Rodfather
here's mine: http://bit.ly/1zpkAV
- Cee Bee
Holy shit, Cee Bee. That's one impressive sleeve, very nice.
- Vincent X
@Cee i love! you got any others? and was it your design ?
- embee
Wow, Cee Bee, that's really nice!!
- Corie
Legos
- Fred Grott
got 2 ....want 3
- Amber, Random Time Lord
+1 Kyle about the significance. When i first revealed them to my mom, she said i'll want to get rid of them some day. I responded as, i hope the day never comes that i don't want to constantly be reminded of the meaning behind these tats. Mine aren't religious, since i'm not, but have significant meaning to me even after having them for 15 or so years. That said, i completely love tats for purely style too. Just not for me. I want style and meaning.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Do not like. In fact, looking to invest in tattoo removal companies/products.
- AJ Kohn
thanks folks. i plan on getting my left arm done eventually though not sure when. embee -- i basically let my artist have free reign around the theme of flowers. that's all i asked of him -- "flowers." i think it allowed him to really let loose and show his skills
- Cee Bee
I've got a binary tattoo on my shoulder. Was about to get a half sleeve until my girlfriend nixed it. I'm kinda' glad she did.
- Paul Reynolds
Maybe I'm old fashioned but I don't like tattoos. Never have, never will.
- Akiva Moskovitz
only one so far, but i'd *love* to get an armband of the globe (minus antarctica, mercator projection, natch).
- Trent Olson
Yeah, I recently got a large left arm sleeve from shoulder to wrist. I still ahve to get the color done but I really like it... http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I have six but now have to wear compression stockings (tasteful!) so five of them are permanently covered :(
- Timothy Griffin
Love tattoos. Have six, trying to figure out what comes next.
- Marci Maleski
want one badly but me and needles not the best of friends
- Cecil Sandus
waiting until I can get eInk. RSS feeds crawling up your arm FTW.
- Karim
I've got 11. They mount up. In the mood for another soon. Kyle - what are you gonna get?
- Steve Isaacs
I'm a fan, and looking forward to my next. Hopefully soon.
- Herb Hernandez
I think of them as little as possible.
- ComicList
Louis I will get a tattoo of Facebook if you get a tattoo of FriendFeed - you go first though.
- Jesse Stay
@Cee Bee thats a bad ass sleeve. who inked you up?
- Carlos Ayala
ive been procrastinating for years. sadly i have none. but want one badly. i am toying with the idea of going back to nyc and hitting up a few contacts for a piece running across my back from blade to blade. lets see if this pans out.
- Carlos Ayala
carlos, the artist is troy denning owner of invisible nyc in the lower east side. he's a great guy and extremely talented. mostly specializes in traditional japanese styles
- Cee Bee
i have one on my ankle. It hurt.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I have an sf giants tattoo on my shoulder. It hurt like hell. Good luck :)
- Blake N. Cooper
What's the correct scale to play over a lydian dominant 7th chord? For example Ab7#11
Raise the fourth, Luke!
- Patrick Beard
What about an augmented dominant? Whole tone scale.
- Patrick Beard
The Swedish government is making it illegal for schools to teach religious doctrine as if it were true. -Should the US Follow? - http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...
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"One Nation, under God....."
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
;)
- Mona Nomura
Getting out my 10 foot clown poll for this one... :)
- Johnny Worthington
Religion has a place in school. It's called the Theology class room. Where the christian creation can be taught along with the other dozens of creationist doctrine. How they going to like that?
- Geoff Schultz
I thought that's the reason private schools existed in the first place
- Rodfather
Why not teach religion as part of literature? It's not half-bad fiction.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Because as literature, it's not really that good?
- ·[▪_▪]·
I teach philosophy in public school and religion is very welcome in that mix. But dang, they are looking to develop an underground by poking around in the private schools. I wonder if home schooling there will take off more (as it has in the US) in reaction to the bans. They may actually be making things more dangerous if so.
- Boo
Boo: I agree, regarding underground. The option to learn should exist, but not mandated. Like Geoff said: "Theology Class"
- Mona Nomura
Yes, teaching the world's creation stories in a theology class makes perfect sense. "Teaching religious doctrine as if it were true" doesn't make sense. Which doctrine? Which truth?
- Ayşe E.
Illegal? Really?
- Mona Nomura
I don't get it, Mona.
- Pete Delucchi
My question, Pete?
- Mona Nomura
Mona, the god part is a recent addition to the pledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... you'll find the founding fathers weren't all that hot on religion.
- Duncan Riley
The statement, Mona.
- Pete Delucchi
as to the question: I can see some merit in it, although it's difficult to reconcile in terms of a free society. We are far better off equipping our children with critical reasoning than blind theology. If they then decide to follow, so be it.
- Duncan Riley
I can't believe that people don't think science is THE religion in our paradigm... :P
- Kenn Ejima
Duncan: Yes, I looked it up during ongoing "Ban the Pledge of Allegiance" controversies :) I just wrote it to get people's attention. Pete: ?
- Mona Nomura
I support the motivation for this law, only object to telling privately funded schools what they can and can't teach. I blogged about this (http://frethink.com/?p=79) and have gotten nearly 20 replies (on Disqus), mostly supportive of the law.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
i agree with Daniel Dennett on this one. a solution is not less religion, but more religion. mandatory teaching of world religions in schools is a good start. they are already doing it in Modesto, CA - http://bit.ly/2ywsfs
- ~C4Chaos
Jack: WOW. @~C4Chaos: Interesting, thank you for the link.
- Mona Nomura
I say let the private schools teach whatever they want.
- Chrimmus Tad
I agree, Tad. As long as they're privately funded, they can teach wizardry and alchemy as fact.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I'm not sure I like my site's comments being rerouted through Disqus. I wish there was an option to have them appear on the site while comments could only be made through Disqus. If I disable Disqus, do the comments already made disappear? Or can I export them back to my blog? (Sorry for the off-topic)
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wizards aren't real?
- Shannon Jiménez
Jack: I don't have a self hosted WordPress blog, and don't want to give you an inadequate answer. I suggest asking on the DISQUS forums. The dev team is really active there :) http://disqus.disqus.com/
- Mona Nomura
Mona, just to be clear, I'm not in favor of making this illegal. It's a big world w/ lots of ideas. Best to expose the kids and teach them how to think critically about them.
- Ayşe E.
+987923749823739874 For Critical Thinking!!!!!!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Auto Facial Attractiveness Enhancement Engine - http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tommer...
Bryan Clark, Shayanlinux, Chris Selland and 29 other people liked this
I don't think I'd want to be subject to that enhancement. I've learned to like my imperfections.
- Hutch Carpenter
Still a very cool technology
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
Does it work better than Hair Color for Men?
- Russellreno
ok so whats the real world app going to be ?? model your face and then get a nip, tuck and a lift ?? Riya and Polar Rose had facial recognizability built into the core.
- Peter Dawson
One part of tech that is advancing quickly without any notice from Silicon Valley is the software that will drive the Human Gnome Project. It always starts with the artists, then the military, and then reality. John McCain said he knows where Bin Laden is. Yea, Ill bet he does! I'll bet he *IS* Bin Laden!!
- Andrew Baron
I like the first one better because the second one looks fake & a bit creepy.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Will probably be very useful among the DATING sites! :-D
- Éric Senterre
OK, NEW AVATARS, EVERYBODY!!
- Josh Haley
yikes
- Noah David Simon
Brain implant here we come!
- James Tenniswood
it seems to be all about head size. Phrenology anyone?
- Noah David Simon
Oooohh....she's had her face reshaped....bet that hurt!
- Mark O'Neill
@andrewbaron I like the lovely typo in your comment about << Human "Gnome" Project>>. This software will surely "dwarf" any other software development project ;)
- Pierre-Philippe Martin
Um, what's wrong with the first pic? If she smiled...
- Rick Powell
@Rick, I actually think she looks nicer in pic one, even without smiling. She looks kinda luck a stuck-up beeotch in pic two.
- Laura Norvig
Silk purses and sows ears?
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
very interesting.
- Ryan
Humans aren't vain at aaaaaaall.
- ::Kristen::
Actually, some of the "enhanced" pictures look distorted. Symmetry is supposedly a vital ingredient of beauty, that and the golden ratio.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
there was a post coming from truemors about a study that broader faced men are more aggressive. so based on that assumption that a more attractive face is ovalesque we can then assume a less attractive male will be more aggressive and therefor sexier to a female. http://www.livescience.com/culture...
- Noah David Simon
[Rasmussen]: 41% Say Bush Worst President Ever - http://x.techwheat.com/1PQ
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"Forty-one percent (41%) of Americans say George W. Bush will go down in history as the worst U.S. President ever, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey."
- newsjunk.com
I have a hard time "liking" this.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Only 41%?
- cjmart
I'm curious what this number will be in twenty years. While my gut reaction is "yes" he is the worst president *ever*, I wonder if I will think he is only in the bottom 10 a few years from now. Reactions are always the strongest when in the middle of an event, they seem to moderate with time.
- JT Perry
Only 41%? In any other country, such a character would have got impeached long back and his party wiped out of electoral map. Nowhere in the world, a president has lied about national security and his party have a fighting chance in the next elections. It is a shame.
- Krishnan Subramanian
Krish: Any other country? Pretty broad brush to paint with. But also is labeling someone the "worst ever". Many people in surveys will not take extreme positions. Bring in party affiliation like the article suggests and it gets even crazier. You will have a signficant portion of party loyalists who will answer one way or the other for "the good of the party" without even considering the question asked.
- JT Perry
It's an interesting set of statistics. I personally think his job performance is poor, and suspect history will show him to be one of the worst, perhaps the worst of this generation. But I'm not a presidential historian, and don't feel qualified to write about my opinion or to answer polls about this. I have no framework to provide an intelligent response. I suspect the same is true for most of the people who did respond. I'd like to see better questions asked, questions respondents are qualified to answer.
- Charlene Kingston
Krish, whatever it is your smoking pass it this way bro. yikes!
- Nathan
from Alert Thingy
@JT Perry: As far as I am concerned, Bush's lies are no different from the lies of Sadaam kinds. I couldn't consider it to be a very broad brush to paint with. The kinda lies this administration had unleashed on the citizens including dubious and cheap selection policies in the most important department in a democracy (justice dept.) makes it worthy of calling him "worst ever" and using "any other country". His election in 2000 makes the comparison much easier.
- Krishnan Subramanian
@Nathan In fact, it is because of people like you, Bush kinda people has got the balls to lie blatantly. If anyone has to come out of the dope, it is people like you who don't even realize that he has screwed this country.
- Krishnan Subramanian
I don't know if he's the worst President ever. He's certainly been the worst President in my lifetime, and that includes that rat bastard Nixon.
- Steven Perez
As much as I dislike Bush, it's hard to say he's worse than Grant. (or Hoover, or Coolidge) From what I've read, Grant was an epic FAIL. I'm with Steven and Sean, he's definitely the worst in my lifetime. Even worse than Reagan.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Coolidge was the best president we've ever had. Bush will be judged just fine. Winners of wars don't ever look that bad.
- Morgan Warstler
To quote that eminent philosopher Charles Brown: "Winning isn't everything, but losing isn't anything." Last I checked, Bush had two losing efforts on his hands.
- Steven Perez
You should check agian
- Morgan Warstler
Traditionally the US people treat presidents who make hard choices badly at the time. I'm not saying Bush is right but folsk hated Reagan too, ya know?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
"Even worse than Reagan"? That's not hard to do since Reagan easily ranks in the top 3 or 4.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Morgan: lessee ... Taleban making a comeback, Osama bin Laden still on the loose, security in Iraq holding as long as we keep making payments to Muqtada al-Sadr ... yep, DOUBLE FAIL.
- Steven Perez
The worst administration in American history doesn't begin to cover the cascade of superlative fails: the worst, the most criminal, the most incompetent, the most destructive, the most ideologically fanatical, the least intelligent, the least pragmatic, the most anti-conservative, the most anti-liberal, the most anti-American (anti-U.S. Constitution, anti-U.S. Bill of Rights), the most...
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- Sean McBride
While I think GWB has been a disappointing president, I also think an earlier commenter is correct in saying that it will be several years down the line before we get a true sense of how history will judge his administration. Even so, there is no way his is the "worst administration in history." I suspect Jimmy Carter will hold on to that record until humans no longer roam the earth. He did an excellent job at being the worst president ever.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Rolling Stone http://tinyurl.com/n2f4m "George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And...
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- Sean McBride
Gregory: Carter? Wasn't he the one with the military misadventures, high inflation and out-of-control gas prices? ... Wow, deja vu all over again.
- Steven Perez
Yes, Steven, as a matter of fact he was. But, unlike the high gas prices of today, which can't in any way be blamed on GWB, Cartrer's disastrous economic policies are to blame for the meteoric rise in gas prices during his administration. Based on that criteria, it seems that GWB might not be the worst president in history for very long. Four years from now, we may very well be saying...
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- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago http://tinyurl.com/99nye Consider President Jimmy Carter's April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush's White House were children, it's understandable that they don't remember it. But it's inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the...
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- Sean McBride
Yet another reason why Bush 43 and the neocons are an unmitigated disaster: Georgia: A Blow to U.S. Energy http://tinyurl.com/58ze8y "The plans of the U.S. and Western oil companies for expanded pipelines in the Caspian region may well be a casualty of Russia's attack." These IDIOTS -- including neocon puppet John McCain -- are praising the actions of those Georgians who are undermining...
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- Sean McBride
PayPal Denies $450 of Unauthorized Charges - http://chris.pirillo.com/2008...
Ed Kohler, Allen Stern, ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ and 11 other people liked this
Ack! I misread it earlier. I blame low blood sugar!
- Mattb4rd
Read: PayPay sucks... Just ask Leo Laporte
- schwegler
While this might be a first for you, many of us have had PayPal take, confiscate or refuse to refund money. The reality is simple - do NOT trust Paypal with direct access to your bank accounts and do NOT trust them to let you have the money in your Paypal account.
- Soulhuntre
Those of us who have to deal with them move the money OUT of Paypal every day, and the bank account linked to Paypal is ONLY for use with Paypal and has a zero balance 99% of the time. They cannot be trusted, their resolution policies suck and they are impossible to reason with.
- Soulhuntre
Do to being screwed over by paypal, I'll never use them again, nor will I shop from a online store that uses paypal solely. I avoid them like I would avoid a dangerous, ravenous beast. My paypal success (irony) story: http://tinyurl.com/62f98z
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I know it sucks but you learned a good lesson. Keep your private emails and stuff private.
- RaAusar Powers
Everyone should twitter, reshare or do what ever it takes to make PayPal's name tarnished!
- Michael Forian
PayPal making themselves look bad for that. That makes me want to cancel my PP account.
- Outsanity
This is why using a credit card online is safer than paypal.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
BTW, that page is odd, it loads a live video stream with somebody typing. I had it open and heard this typing while it was in the background. Freaky.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
I've lost about $7,000 over the years to PayPal.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Sounds to me that Apple should be the one to refund your money, and cancel cards. BTW, It was authorized. Sounds to me that You, like me, have Paypal as the pre approved payment option. Apple is the one to return money. Now...I am not saying Paypal isn't without faults by any means.
- Kreg Steppe
thanks for commenting on my post Chris :)
- Allen Stern
Comment is still awaiting approval on the blog so here it is: Alright let me get this straight. You are putting paypal at fault for Apple’s lax security measures? How it is paypal’s fault that apple fails to provide the right measures for getting your password? You gave Apple full access to your paypal account, paypal has no way to determine who used that account whether it was you or fraud. Apple’s the one at fault, why not attack them?
- BCK
Disney Often Re-Uses Same Frames - http://www.hemmy.net/2006...
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Childhood---ruined.
- Josh
sweet merciful strawberries, now i'm going to have a nightmares about Christopher Robin being set upon by a tiger.
- idnan
that is amazing; who'd have thought?
- Herman I May
Cheapskates
- James Tenniswood
I'm not complaining. The first like six Disney films were drawn and animated by TWO guys. Not a team, not a server farm, not overseas Korean animators. TWO GUYS.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Very smart of Disney. Keeping costs down benefits the movie goer as much as the studio.
- Michael Tefft
It makes sense considering that the Disney films back in the day were literally animated .. aka done by hand and not computers. I think that makes them more enjoyable knowing all of the hard work that went into them.
- ::Kristen::
Those rich cheap bastards!
- Outsanity
Hey, that was a good scene. Re-use it again :)
- TDavid
I totally noticed that Mowgli moved a LOT like Arthur in "Sword in the Stone" when I was little! When I was younger... ok, yesterday!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
They used to have to wash the animation cels and reuse them as well. This stuff has always been pretty expensive to produce. You need someone to draw it, someone to ink it, someone to paint, need gorgeous backgrounds, massive camera setups, etc etc etc. If there aren't enough people then yeah two dudes have to do all of that. All under a tight budget and tight time constraints.
- sergiooo
For those interested in possibly re-using other Disney (and others) backgrounds, check out: http://animationbackgrounds.blogspot.com/
- Mark Trapp
shh, don't tell anyone: even bloggers sometimes re-use their content.
- Benedikt Koehler
Mark: thanks for that link. I loves those background.
- Chris Rivait
@Mark, cool site thanks.
- Andrew Smith
wow, once again I learnt something I didn't know
- Jon Dillon
Just learnt that learnt is British english only too. I'm on a roll today
- Jon Dillon
Wow! very interesting
- Kamilah Gill
Surprise!! we re-use code, why shouldn't they re-use creatives? smart!! (but i do feel sorta ripped off ...childhood is now less cool all of a sudden...nah! just kidding!!)
- Susan Beebe
Stock footage comes to the animation world....
- kamla bhatt
Smart of cheap?
- Kol Tregaskes
Same layout, but pretty different. There's no pooh in Jungle Book. Just that big bear. Maybe Jungle Book is just a localized version of Winnie the Pooh? ;)
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Interesting, now I wanna watch them! :)
- Oli Kenobi
Makes sense, you have to reuse anything you can in animation, it's costly to produce every single frame, especially when they're hand drawn. They don't completely reuse the frame, just the basic, note each example was altered to fit into its movie/art style. If they didn't reuse the frames, body positions, and animations then each Disney movie would have a different feel entirely, you wouldn't get that "Disney-looking-movie" feel that everyone likes.
- xero
and they recycle plots, too!
- Bill Sodeman
In the programming world, it's called DRY, "Don't Repeat Yourself." :)
- imabonehead
They also re-use other character and stories taken from other animation studios: http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2...
- Diego Magnani
I was just talking about this yesterday but couldn't remember where I had first seen it...thanks!
- cmiper
Interesting to see how similar those scenes are.
- Daniel Schildt
in the software industry we call it...JUST SHIP IT
- Ryan
"By the time they find the bugs, we'll have them fixed and can send them a quick hot-fix." If I only had a nickel every time I heard that one!!
- Chrimmus Tad
[USA Today]: McCain campaign accuses Obama of playing race card - http://x.techwheat.com/1FX
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"John McCain's campaign accused Barack Obama on Thursday of playing racial politics a day after the Democratic candidate predicted Republicans would try to scare voters by pointing out "he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.""
- newsjunk.com
The level of discourse here just keeps plummeting.
- Patrick Beard
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I AM SICK! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Sarah, please put your hands in the air and step away from the computer, SLOWLY
- Allen Stern
I just subscribed to 3 more after posting that...you think I'm kidding, but I'm really not.
- Sarah Perez
You're neglecting email, I'd say.
- Benedikt Koehler
That's a lot of subscriptions, but not an overwhelming number of items. Mine says: from your 332 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 16,038 items, starred 0 items, shared 901 items, and emailed 5 items
- Louis Gray
@Jason People who are using feed readers are not the norm anyway.
- Benedikt Koehler
@louis you must subscribe to some busy feeds! oh no, I know - you read every single item - i scan headlines in some of my folders and "mark as read" when done (like the PR releases folder, for ex.)
- Sarah Perez
Seriously, give up RSS. You won't regret it. RSS readers are way over-rated. RSS is a waste of time. Socially filtered content is vastly superior.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I agree. I stopped reading RSS back in 2003 and I haven't missed it.
- Patrick Beard
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If that helps you write those killer posts then please keep it up.
- Tac Anderson
+1 to Thomas Hawk.
- Justin Korn
I needed to FTP a huge file from my home network to my server. Thought I'd use the Mac, but it turns out its native FTP client is read-only. No problem, with the Asus EEE PC on the LAN, I just used Windows XP which doesn't have such a lame FTP client.
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That's likely to get me some lame BS flame mail from Mac zealots. But they will be wrong. Windows is much more macho, in this one dimension.
- Dave Winer
You pick the best tool for he job at hand
- Herb Myers
Just use FireFTP - FTP client for Firefox....
- Shawn L. Morrissey
Terminal window lets you use the powerful unix FTP. Transmit is my usual mac client of choice.
- iSteeve
BTW, the Asus didn't become usable until I got the new driver for the touch pad. Now it's sweet. I don't mind the keyboard, I've been trained to use marginal keyboards on cell phones. This one seems practically luxurious in comparison. I'm going to be doing a lot of traveling in the next couple of months, so it's going to be nice to have a *much* smaller computer to lug with me. Still have to find a nice easy paint program for the machine.
- Dave Winer
why not use Cyberduck, Fetch, or Transmit - all great FTP clients
- Mike Hussein Cohen
*All* FTP clients are lame. Use scp.
- Keith Rollin
Im with Transmit, rather simple and easy, free too.
- Colby Olson
FIlezilla
- James Tenniswood
scp is lame, use rsync -e ssh!
- Sam Pullara
captain ftp has been my macFavorite
- Kevin Sablan
from twhirl
Are you sure about the read-only thing? Wasn't it a permission thing? I thought I uploaded files with it as well. That said, I use Transmit all the time. The .mac (eh, mobile me) synchronisation of favourites is a nice bonus when working in different places.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
This may be helpful, http://bit.ly/16uOB4. Personally, I use Fetch.
- David J. Pettifor
@acedanger, working fine here. Should direct you to an article from Macworld regards file sharing in Leopard.
- David J. Pettifor
WinSCP does all of the above (I think, bar rsync): FTP, SCP, SFTP and with various SSH encryption options. Free too, of course. Taken over from Filezilla as my preferred tool. I haven't found anything as good for free on Mac OS.
- Ian Fogg
Transmit if you wanna pay, Filezilla if you don't.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
What the heck is "read-only?" I just tried mac's ftp out, it will upload and download files just like any other ftp client.
- Owen Byrne
wrongdo-dongo Dave. You can upload as well as download with the Finder's FTP feature. Or you can kick it old-school and rock the command line interface in terminal.
- Aaron deMello
Ever try'd designFtp.com?
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
that was always one thing I hated about the Mac. Actually, I had to move some files from my old PBG4 to a XP laptop and ended up using Samba.
- Adam C.
FileZilla works well and is an open-source multi-platform free FTP client. http://filezilla-project.org/
- Dr. Apps
from twhirl
Owen, correct. You just read a file. I think he's talking about uploading. Still I'm scheptical that the client would be designed to behave like that. Doesn't exactly go into the "pros" column for convincing me to get a Mac.
- Ernie Oporto
MacFuse and MacFusion...nuf said.
- Jerry Schuman
from twhirl
Dave, which "native" FTP client are you speaking of on the Mac? It's hard to get more "native" than the simple command line UNIX "ftp" and I KNOW it will work with pretty much any thing you throw at it...I use it all the time and I'm constantly bi-platform, so I'm using tools on both.
- Dennis Moser
Oh, didn't even know the FTPd in OS X was read-only. You may have saved me time in the future; was planning on using/testing it. SMB works fine (locally) for the time being.
- Gaurav Patel
Real men use "scp". :)
- Patrick Beard
[Open Left]: McCain: Forget Democracy, Do What The Military Says - http://x.techwheat.com/14Z
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"Elected presidents of the United States and Iraq should just do what the leaders of the American military say they should do. At least, that is what McCain thinks, according to their statement that was released in response to Al-Malaki."
- newsjunk.com
Sure, didn't they recommend that Iraq had WMD last time, hmmmmm.
- Sally Church
Hmm, sounds like a military dictatorship to me.
- Patrick Beard
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'Battlestar Galactica': Chat with Rekha (Tory) | Show Tracker | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtra...
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"Since the "Battlestar Galactica" cast is scattering to the winds, we decided to talk to one of the most controversial figures of this past season, Tory Foster the Cylon, aka Rekha Sharma. We did a quick, or not so quick, Q&A about the season and the show a few weeks ago."
- Robert Seidman
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""Yeah, I do think about that because when was the last time you saw ... I mean, how many Indian women are out there on television.' [A reporter] brought up that I may very well be the first Indian actor in space. "
- RAPatton
She's such a beautiful woman, but her character is so caustic, that I can't see her beauty on the show. Hmm, how Freudian is that?
- Patrick Beard
Racism On The Web: You're Part Of The Problem - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008...
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Ignoring the words is not the solution, but neither is denying the ability to express them - as repugnant as some of the words may be.
- Andy Green
This is a great article. Hank is totally right, you can't hide and brush over racism it has to be tackled head on. I like to think that in the UK race relations are pretty good (where I am in Coventry) but I can't talk about what it's like in the US. “I don’t want to get involved” is the cowards way out. Speak up, speak out!
- Toby Graham
+1 Toby - "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
People who try to make this into a free speech issue are killing me... speech is free when you can say whatever you want and not fear being dumped in a prison. People who say that not getting a fat sponsorship deal because the fat sponsor doesn't like what you are saying or have said are spoiled babies who obviously have spent too much time in front of their nice big LCD screens and not enough time thinking about what real censorship and real opression look like.
- Michael Turro
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Great quote AJ, and that man would know!
- Toby Graham
Michael T: I hate to keep making this point, but let's not go too far. I agree, there's nothing wrong with Verizon dropping Feldman. But lots of other people are having their jobs threatened out there because of their unrelated free expression... the McDonalds VP who has angered the AFA for supporting gay causes, the teacher who lost her job because someone found nude art photos of her on Flickr, and so on. It's not just about jail.. if your speech can be silenced through economic means, it ain't free.
- Roger Benningfield
@michael turro just like i'm always slayed by those people who think they have a right to not be offended. all humans have a basic, inalienable right to think or feel however they choose to, as well as express those feelings. in my opinion, the only time freedom of expression should be curtailed is when that expression can lead to direct, imminent harm to another.
- Andy Green
I agree - but Feldman's ability to speak his mind has in no way been curtailed. HE can get on his soapbox right now and say whatever he wants. Let's not confuse the right to free speech with the right to make money. After all it's the pursuit of happiness, not happiness itself that is our inalienable right.
- Michael Turro
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The N-word is all about context. When a white person uses it, there's no way to "whitewash" away the hatred or intent to demean it evokes. Words have no power without context. It's great that we're all discussing this now. However, I think the idiots in that chat room have been given way too much of a soapbox. They probably love the fact that a few of their choicest comments are out...
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- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
@michael turro - i completely agree with what you said in your last post - however, that's not been the argument being advanced as far as i could tell. your comment is the first one made about his ability to make money (or the lack of it) based on his actions. the vast majority of the other comments have been something related to "well, it's racist so we have to shut him up". in my mind, two COMPLETELY different positions.
- Andy Green
No person should be allowed to profit on the blatant racism that is stereotyping, without the obvious transparency and disclosures (i.e., tell us who is supporting your trash so we may vote with our wallets, alternatively, find a racist angel)
- Dave Martin
Bring mean < Being offensive < Being a bigot http://www.sheysmith.com/2008...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I just love that the guy's name is "Hank Williams."
- James Joyner
This was a good read. I think Hank's point is not about peoples rights to say what they want, his point is that this speech is being propagated by anonymous cowards. Guess that's the Internet equivalent of wearing a white sheet and hood over your head. What happened on Wayne's and Corvida chat the other night was disgusting!
- Kevin Gamble
@James Totally derailing, but every time I'm talking to my husband about something Hank wrote and I say "Did you see Hank Williams' post..." I can't get past the Williams without him adding the "Jr., bitch" on the end. Hank has his second favorite name. After Bob. He really wanted to name one of our boys Bob.
- Cyndy
if only half of this video about the way Facebook deals wih our privacy, then it is pretty scary stuff - http://nl.youtube.com/watch...
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I remember a conversation here on FF yesterday where some folks suggested that platforms such as Facebook would be helpful in organising our privacy on the web. My answer, no way, there i only one person that can be responsible for that, and that is the user himself
- Alexander van Elsas
This is one of those topics where a " like" doesn't seem to be appropriate ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Do we have any corroborating evidence to support some of the claims? Do we have information about IAO's possible involvement in FB? This is important stuff. Thanks for the post!
- phil baumann
I haven't got a clue if any of this information is true or not. It sounds pretty scary though
- Alexander van Elsas
I agree about the like, but I "like" that it was posted. Be nice to have a FF feature to distinguish the two. ;-)
- phil baumann
all your base are belong to the CIA.
- Hao Chen
Can anybody verify these facts?
- Brian Sullivan
The CIA can have all the pokes, zombies and other BS I ever received on Facebook. I rarely use it to be honest, it's just doesn't work for me
- Alexander van Elsas
Once, I typed 'terrorist' in an IM, and my internet was shut off for 5 mins. :/
- Hao Chen
CIA would be interested in photos (facial recognition), profile info (dossier), and friends (known connections).
- Hao Chen
People seem to think that they have a right to privacy when they post info about themselves on public sites like facebook, myspace etc. If you want privacy don't post your most intimate details. It isn't the government that I worry about but employers, ad agencies, insurance companies and crooks. If the CIA wants my info then they can have it, not sure what good it will do them. It is sometimes interesting to blog about the CIA and FBI and watch the government and military hits on my blog spike.
- Don Rogers
Alexander - you had that conversation with me. :) I guess my confusion is this... you can only be responsible for your privacy in as much as the services you use allow you to be fine grained in your control. From the networks I've seen, it looks to me like FB has the finest grain control. Which still may not be enough, but it is certainly more than say, FriendFeed provides.
- felix
Don, you would be AMAZED how many people have never read the privacy policy of Facebook, and even worse, are naive enough to believe that they are save from commercial exploitation. And let's be honest. There isn't a big first screen during sign up that reads "Be aware that this service is free because we use your data for commercial purposes" (now that would be clear). And what sort of bugs me is that in the press Facebook talks protecting privacy when they seem to mean protecting their own business.
- Alexander van Elsas
Felix, Facebook sort of protects you from both the world outside Facebook and from users within. But it doesn't protect you from Facebook ;-) It would be much better if your important aspects of your on-line identities (there can be more) were implemented with you. And that you would have settings available that would allow you to control how much anyone (including Facebook) couls see of you
- Alexander van Elsas
It's part of what I call the User Centric Web. You control your own data, and your own privacy. Service Providers liek Facebook become the gas station you visit when you are traveling somewhere. All they do is provide you service, no more ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
facebook.com + odnoklassniki.ru = 1984
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Of course, much of the scary stuff mentioned applies to ALL social networking sites. The powers that be don't need our permission to data mine everything we do online. Still, I just decided to deactivate my facebook account which I've only had for one day.
- Patrick Beard
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Fluid - Free Site Specific Browser for Mac OS X Leopard - http://fluidapp.com/
Kinda cool.
- Patrick Beard
Fluid - Free Site Specific Browser for Mac OS X Leopard - http://fluidapp.com/
Kinda cool.
- Patrick Beard
MOTU technical support experience? - http://www.motu.com/techsup...
I've been mostly happy with my MOTU products. I'm curious, since I bought my 828mkII 4 years ago, I'm sure it's quite out of warranty. What can I expect them to do about it having gone belly up?
- Patrick Beard
To answer my own question, I filed a technical support incident with MOTU on Saturday, which nobody has apparently looked at. I've also tried to reach them by telephone since 7am this morning, and all I get are busy signals. What company runs a tech support line this way anymore?
- Patrick Beard
MOTU responded. For $79 I can get my unit repaired/replaced + $50 shipping UPS ground. I'll take it! Still never got them on the phone (continuous busy signal).
- Patrick Beard
Got my 828mkII back last week. Everything fixed. Good company.
- Patrick Beard
How unreliable does Twitter have to get before people like me give up on it totally?
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Really, really, really unreliable.
- Mack D. Male
I have already left for Plurk. I use Feedtweeter to send all my Plurks to twitter.
- Jon
it isn't going to be a unreliable issue, it'll be a 'reliable other thing' (like friendfeed) issue. when you are certain that enough of 'the conversation' has moved away, and we can get away without twitter, we'll leave. i'm willing to wager it's already happening. the question i ponder is: can twitter regain its footing, or have they permanently lost it? i hope the money/team can make enough impact fast enough...
- Jeremy Toeman
Plurk will have problems soon, too. They're already showing.
- Hao Chen
The thing that bugs me is that it took some time to build an audience on Twitter. I don't want to give that up by hopping to another service. Although if everyone I Twittered with came over to FriendFeed, I'd jump. Right now it's about 33%
- Rafe Needleman
I hear you, Rafe. As it is right now, I'm using both FF and Twitter, but if they have another major outage, I think a bunch more people will switch. Still, because FF is promiscuous (it reads my Twitter feed) there's no loss to continue to use Twitter while it remains useful.
- David Sifry
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In your case, I'm quite sure your audience will follow you wherever you go
- Bwana ☠
Rafe - same for me. I don't want to move to another app and rebuild my community. So, I guess i'll have to suffer through the Twitter growing pains.
- Jim Turner
FF is a much better place for conversations Rafe. I suspect that someone like you, a prominent tech journalist, would build up an audience here just as large as your audience at Twitter. For what it's worth I haven't been on FF all that long and I've got almost as many people following me here (2,797) as I've got following me at Twitter now (3,177). The audience is growing faster over here than there as well.
- Thomas Hawk
but you are thomas hawk. people follow you,
- excalipoor
Bwana & Thomas are right, it won't be a problem to get audience here, You might like it even more here
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Twitter is no where near dead yet. My personal theory is they didn't expect loads of people choosing to massive amounts of others. In the past week, I've had several people with absurd numbers of follows (one with 60k, one with 90k) - that's insane. Twitter has hired some top talent to address these issues and got new rounds of funding to assist. Personally I still love twitter and find it a different and useful complement to Friendfeed.
- Doug Brooks
I'm on it less than before, but use Twitter as a gateway to more reliable socnets like FriendFeed, where we can have longer discussions. The community on Twitter still merits having an account there. Can we be hopeful that now that they got another round of funding, they'll FINALLY find ways to make it more reliable?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
FriendFeed is certainly a very reliable Twitter client, I'm finding. It's nice to get everything that everybody's doing -- not just what they tweet -- inside a feed as well.
- Jared Smith
Twitter peaked during the early primaries, it was an incredible learning and connecting tool. It's not doing anything for me anymore. So have I moved on? Not exactly, because nothing has come along to replace it. FF is very different, and most of the people I connected with on Twitter aren't here. I've always said it's about the people. Nothing else.
- Dave Winer
Compared to mobile carriers and cable companies, Twitter does quite well. It's free and works most of the time. I'm sure things will get better given all the $$$ they've raised recently.
- Mike Reynolds
As long as it takes for FriendFeed to handle SMS posting.
- Rubin Sfadj
I am getting there.
- Steve Rubel
unreliable? I would say unpopular ;) I would leave twitter If I could follow ALL my friends and MORE interesting people in other place :)
- Lora Lufark
still on twitter. Not sure when I will move out.
- Thejesh GN
Excellent, a Twhinge (Twitter + whinge) thread! In all seriousness... I posted about this situation at Broadcasting Brain today. I am feeling fed up and having the Reply function on the Twitter Web app disabled doesn't help at all.
- Mark Dykeman
I prefer Plurk's timeline and threaded comments, but the community doesn't seem to be present quite yet. Once the community exists, I'd be happy to switch. But something like FF will keep me happy in the meantime.
- Jason Ziglar
Until Plurk gets more users I'm sticking with Twitter.
- Oli from the-iBlog
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excalipoor, but he is Rafe Needleman, an influential and popular online tech journalist. People will follow him wherever he goes as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Have you given it up? Me neither. That's 'cause we forget how much it sux when its working right.
- shelisrael1
There have been plenty of opportunities for people to move off Twitter to clones. Since it hasn't happened yet, primarily because it is hard to bring your community with you, I don't expect it to happen ever.
- Bob Ngu
Give up? I only just started
- Phil Whelan
How expensive does gas have to get before people like me give up driving cars totally? :-)
- Bassam Islam
from twhirl
Twitter indeed has its limitations. It is NOT a replacement for the fluidity of IRC, it is not viable as a live conference tool, at so many junctures it introduces latency, this is all before we touch upon its infrastructure, reliability, and ability to scale. Perhaps Bezos' infusion of cash will see to thoee last points
- David Blumenstein
from twhirl
For me the thing the twitter offers is the ability to sms info quickly to a bunch of people. Events like Siggraph twitting about the next events or the results of events as they happen to people at the shows. Imagine if the SF Giants twittered player info at their games or things like that. I do agree that it's horrible for conversation, but one-way info is a perfect use for it.
- Doug Brooks
i will never give up on you rafe
- Allen Stern
Fortunately it's not too hard for me to move over here. Most of my (and yours, I'd argue) followers on Twitter are ghosts (long gone) or following for reasons other than shear interest. Twitter is still useful for ephemeral exchanges and generally telling the world how undercaffeinated I am. But for interesting links/thoughts and level of conversation this is where I'm now planting my flag.
- Jim Stanger
totally agree with Jim Stanger
- Giovanni De Stefano
I like FriendFeed more every day. But I miss Twitter.
- Rafe Needleman
I don't rely on it for communication. To me it's like graffiti on a wall. I'll keep reading it, but if they repaint the wall, c'est la vie.
- Patrick Beard
As long as there is a backup, like FriendFeed, I think Twitter can go out regularly... for me, this works. For all the good Twitter-based projects or business models, Twitter is running out of charm....
- shanebe
5 days continuous ... maybe. People have built huge followings. They're not abandoning them.
- Charlie Anzman
New money and new people coming in to Twitter. Users have been through all of this and stayed so far...they will wait it out. Twitter will and must fix the architecture once and for all and conclude on a viable business model and be off to the races. I'm as sick of the flying whale as anyone else but inexplicably I haven't left...and I don't think I will.
- Paul Marshall
Once the A-listers leave Twitter, it's over.
- Dossy Shiobara
We're all getting tired of the hit/miss feature set and repeated, unplanned downtimes. Twitter management of their app is beyond weak, it's moved over to an untenable business and is completely unreliable at this point. I do think they are taking active steps to rectify the instability of their current app / db environments, but it may be too little, too late.
- Susan Beebe
you lot have very short memories - ebay, amazon, google, world of Warcraft all had issues when they hit viral explosive growth - icq,hotmail - I could go on and on. The fact that there is this much heat about it shows that it will get through the hurdles and move on.
- Ed Dale
a full week downtime 24/7
- Chris Harris
It's unreliable? Seems to break down often enough to be broken down reliably.
- Jim Turner
how unreliable is unreliable is the real question
- Loic Le Meur
Having been around the internet block a number of times...crap happens to the best of them at the worst of times
- Renee Hendricks
Baltar is the final cylon.
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It makes sense. It would be the *LEAST* surprising outcome.
- Patrick Beard
Don't think so.
- Tanath
Anyone think that Baltar is firmly out of the running to be a Cylon?
- Mark Dykeman
Baltar is a boring choice. Baltar as a cylon undermines the character. My top choice was Doc. Cottle but that's no longer an option. This whole "not with the fleet" thing is problematic. It could mean one of the hostages or the resurrection of someone we thought was dead but isn't. Maybe Billy will come back as a cylon. A cute cuddly cylon with puppy dog eyes.
- Kevin D. White
I found it interesting that Baltar was able to sway D'Anna into calling off the executions. On one hand it would be strange for D'Anna to not say something to Baltar if he were the Fifth... but on the other hand, D'Anna's reaction to seeing the Final Five and her shock at one of them still sticks in my head. Anders, Tory, or Tyrol wouldn't have provoked that kind of reaction given that there wasn't much onscreen interaction with them except for interviewing Tyrol when D'Anna that made the documentary...
- Mark Dykeman
Tigh might have provoked that reaction from D'Anna given that the Cylons tortured and maimed him. However, I'm inclined to believe that she reacted to the Fifth that we haven't seen yet, and given her one-time closeness to Baltar, I could buy him being the Fifth based on what I saw in Revelations, more so than a week ago.
- Mark Dykeman
Baltar has been ruled out already.
- Tanath
Tanath, point me to the link where Baltar was ruled out
- Mark Dykeman
Only thing I heard was the fifth was not in your fleet. Baltar was on the bay-ship. He's still a valid choice in my mind. I'm still rooting for Adama just so I can see the reactions :P
- Bwana ☠
Baltar can't be a cylon. He is human dad and Caprica 6 is cylon mom to Hera in the "Shape of Things to Come" storyline from Season 1 & the Opera House.
- Cat Laine
Baltar is in the Last Supper promotional pic. One of the producers has said (twice) that no one in that pic is the 5th Cylon.
- Tanath
In that case I know who it is. The 5th Cylon is....Oprah Winfrey!
- Jim Stanger
***SPOILERS*** Revelations Discussion
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Lee Adama, an analogue for Barack Obama? Lee Adama '08, change we can believe in!
- Mark Trapp
"My opponent doesn't want to work with the cylons. Thinks they are agents of terror. That's not change we can believe in, that's the same old Galactica politics people are so desperately trying to avoid."
- Mark Trapp
"Yes we can find a way to Earth, yes we can. Yes we can find our home, yes we can." "Caprica has become where good ideas go to die. I want to turn the page on that chapter of colonial history, and start a new one." "SPOOLED UP, READY TO JUMP. ARE YOU SPOOLED UP? ARE YOU READY TO JUMP?" I will enjoy this immensely.
- Mark Trapp
What a great way to end this midseason finale. Something to chew on for a year.
- Mark Trapp
I liked the non-middle finger ending; finally got what everyone was waiting for, but now the game's changed. I hated Adama crying. Olmos should never, ever cry. Tigh was entirely out of character: all of the sudden he's Christ-like? Please.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I disagree. Tigh, despite his failings, was a man of duty. He did what he felt was the right, best thing to do for all involved. In fact, I'd argue that it was a transforming moment for him, though one wonders what's next.
- Mark Dykeman
I predict a nasty end for Tory... Tyrol still hasn't found out that she killed Cally... I also believe there's some potential for her to try to arrange a coup and depose D'Anna based on how pleased she was to join up with the Cylons... so I predict some retribution to come.
- Mark Dykeman
Still kind of disappointed about the Fifth... maybe that one will be revealed at the very end?
- Mark Dykeman
The promo gave a hint: I hope it's not true.
- Mark Trapp
Crap, I missed the promo, is it online anywhere?
- Mark Dykeman
It'll probably be on scifi.com or Hulu or Youtube starting tomorrow. I doubt it's up now. Essentially, it says "THE BIGGEST REVELATION IS YET TO COME" "THE FINAL CYLON" cut to quick shot of adama then cut to battlestar galactica logo with a voiceover from Tigh saying "It's you! You're the final cylon!"
- Mark Trapp
What I liked: 1) the Lee/Adama scene. Horrible to see the old man so crushed ... oh to have to contemplate killing one of the people you love most in the universe, but I always wondered what would make him crack. Amazing seeing Lee have to be a caregiver to his father. Lee's all grows up. 2) the final montage will all the cast. Ronald d Moore is a cruel man. I knew it wouldn't be all puppy dogs and rainbows on Earth, but still. The pairings were interesting. Tori and Anders, Kara & Loeben, Caprica & Tigh
- Cat Laine
What I liked cont'd: 3) Loved Tigh. He's a bastard, but a bastard with a strong sense of duty, 4) the Baltar/Roslin scene, very intimate and screwed up 5) glad the 5th isn't with the fleet (it was getting kind of silly). What I didn't: Lee couldn't give Dee a frakking hug when they found earth. I thought Kara wouldn have wigged out a bit more about Anders. Oh and bad Tori.
- Cat Laine
RE: your fifth point Cat: a friend brought up an interesting point. She could've meant the final cylon isn't with the fleet [at the time she said that statement.] Which would leave the door open for Bill Adama, Laura, Baltar, Helo, and "half the fleet."
- Mark Trapp
Wow. This has all happened before, and it will happen again. Indeed. It seemed a bit rushed...as in packing in a lot into 40min. I think if it had been earlier in the series it would've been drawn out a bit into two episodes. Might have been worth exploring the implications of the outings a bit more. That said, wiz bang and whoa we finally know! Wonder what will happen when the rest of the Cylons arrive? Agreed, the ending pan and pairings was interesting. Gonna be a frustrating wait the next 6-8-10 months!
- Jim Stanger
I was pretty disappointed, really. None of the questions I really want answered were touched... and I'm getting the sinking feeling that they're never going to be.
- Roger Benningfield
I thought it was pretty good and I really hope they managed to make the last 10 episodes worth the wait.
- Timothy Griffin
Who says the fifth isn't with the fleet? My money is still on Kara.
- Patrick Beard
I second what Jason said about listing the hostages to narrow down the final cylon -- D'Anna would have no other reason for saying that only four of the final five were in the fleet unless she knew where the fifth was.
- Timothy Griffin
SPOILER/SPECULATION - Earth
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If you haven't seen Revelations yet and don't want to ruin the episode, stop reading now!
- Mark Dykeman
OK, now that I've tried to warn off people who haven't seen Revelations yet... any theories about Earth (if you've seen the episode, you know what I mean)
- Mark Dykeman
OK, I'll throw out some ideas: I have three possible scenarios: 1) We humans nuked ourselves into the Stone Age (could happen...) 2) Cavil's group of Cylons nuked the planet in retaliation for the destruction of the Resurrection Hub and the betrayal of the "rebels" 3) Someone/something else did it and they may or may not be related to the mysterious entity that created Starbuck's pristine Viper, as well as sending the signal that brought them to Earth
- Mark Dykeman
"It has all happened before and it will all happen again." The Earth humans fought with Cylons, destroyed the planet, went to the Colonies. Now the Colonists will return, having had the same thing happen. They'll find evidence of that, and the finale will have them working to NOT do it again.
- Cyndy
This is OUR far future, our civilization destroyed itself, and cast remnants to the stars. Our descendants (the Capricans) have recapitulated everything with a cyber-twist. Now they've returned home to realize that everything is the same as it ever was. Perhaps now, with the help of the Cylons, they've reached a new level of self-awareness, but I doubt it. For me, the closing of the episode was a very "Planet of the Apes" moment.
- Patrick Beard
@Jason - if the Earth is already dead, Kara has led the fleet to death, at least metaphorically, so she's fulfilled the prophecy, in a sense.
- Mark Dykeman
@Patrick - the ending was very Planet Of The Apes, I agree. They only just managed to cut the Statue of Liberty out of the shot :)
- Mike
louisgray.com Experiences 100% Uptime During WWDC Keynote - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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you're one stable guy Louis :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Louis you are a scaling monster!
- Caleb Elston
Smart is what smart does...
- Anthony Farrior
I know which site I'm going to on election night!
- Hutch Carpenter
How did I get this on my friend feed?
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Amazingly...Techmeme http://www.techmeme.com/080609...
- Hutch Carpenter
@Hutch, but just for a second. I think Gabe scrubbed it. It doesn't even show up in the front page's history. :-)
- Louis Gray
Louis is one TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW!! awesome example of how to do things RIGHT!!!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Louis, it's the first item of "More Items" for me, and off topic but congrats to Hutch for his discussion link as well.
- Robert Seidman
Did Louis make a funny?
- Charlie Anzman
Absolutely the best WWDC coverage of the day.
- Todd McKinney
Why isn't this in LouisGrayish? I nearly missed it.
- Cyndy
Joe Scarborough is a complete fucking putz asshole. He says Republicans love America but liberals don't. Fuck you.
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I avoid mainstream US network news and turn to CBC, Guardian, BBC...
- DaveDelaney.ME
I avoid tv news all together, and get my news here on friendfeed
- Kyle Weller
I avoid liberals because they hate America. ;D
- Ben Jackson
yikes. politics is so fucking harsh....
- Mary Anne Davis
That is harsh, and not true really. However many liberals I know love a version of America that is simply NOT America. They woudl make it a semy socialist nanny state ... and they don't know how to defend it. They DO love it. I just don't want them in charge of it :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
HOW I DON'T CARE!!!
- directeur
How do you really feel?
- Tim Bauer
If loving America (and patriotism) is putting your soldiers in the harm's way, then republicans do love America and they are very patriotic.
- Krishnan Subramanian
Its inherent to both philosophies - conservatives defend and protect what is, and liberals challenge and work to change it. Not to say that conservatives are incapable of innovation or that liberals never adhere to any sort of tradition - but as general world views - liberals are always going to appear as though they dislike what "is" because, by nature, they are more focssd on the things about what "is" that need to change. dsnt justify that kind of patriotic genralization - just contextualizes its causes
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
lol @Jason understand where you are coming from but you know that isn't the case
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
That line may worked in another time but today we don't stand for that crap from the media right who feel they have *authority.*
- Alex Williams
What do you want from a former Republican congressman? Trashing liberals is on his job description.
- Larry Kless
Apparently his cunning plan of pissing off liberals works great. This is Rush's whole reason for existence too.
- Phil G
What good does it do him to piss off liberals? Doesn't get him any more votes.
- Dave Winer
@Krishnan Subramanian I never understand that kind of comment. Isnt that the purpose of a military? They stand in harm's way so civilians don't get targeted?
- Christopher Dickens
Christopher, comments like that have always baffled me. When you sign up for the military, you know what you're getting yourself into. It's not like people sign up and then freak out and incredulously ask, 'What? You might I might have to FIGHT?' You don't go into the military to exercise your personal freedom and opinion. 'Well, I don't FEEL like fighting THIS war. I'll wait for the next one. Maybe that one will suit my personality better.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think the point is that most of us non-Americans have a hard time getting is why US soldiers end up on foreign soil so often often for reasons that don't seem to compute or are contradictory
- Deepak Singh
I enjoy screaming at the screen, throwing a rubber ball at certain faces and the ability to mute loudmouths. I get very few chances to express my basest, most obscenely in-your-face personality and I cut loose when I hold the remote. I find that totally cleanes me for a pleasant discussion on any subject with anyone. I don't have a mean word left in my mind.
- Phil Boiarski
Pathetic. The man obviously has nothing productive to say.
- Chris Nixon
David - Scarborough said that? Surprises me. He's a dork, and not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I never took him to be that outrageous and partisan.
- Anthony Citrano
Remember when Elvis shot his TV?
- Michelle Trent
fear & envy over love of country - a shameful comment from a fellow Floridian
- Scott Moskowitz
Can someone show me a clip of him saying that???
- Anthony Citrano
@Christopher Dickens Defending the country is different and falling into harms way to satisfy the childhood fantasies of a nutcase is different. It is a shame that some people still consider this war legitimate. Please no smartness!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
@Deepak, Amen.
- Krishnan Subramanian
leave ur email address so I can send u a google calendar email notifying y'all after election that u were wrong. go McCain!
- Noah David Simon
Dave - and by cunning I mean 'idiotic' or 'rabble-rousing'
- Phil G
I'm getting tired of rereading this epithet over and over as comments get added.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
Patrick -- then hide the entry. Problem solved.
- Phil G
Nice language
- Craig Eddy
@Krishnan Subramanian, I agree with you partially. We should be much more concerned with what the Chinese are doing. this 6-part series is a must read. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazin...
- Christopher Dickens
AMEN AMEN AMEN!! I like the extra spice of "putz", speaking as a jew...yeah, Scarborough is nothing more than a 3rd-rate Bill O'Reilly wannabe, plus he consistently demeans and patronizes Mika, a person who so far surpasses him in intelligence and depth of thinking that it's comical...and if I have to hear Joe bitch and whine and moan one more fucking time about how the "liberal elite...
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- anthony kortick
I play music in SecondLife. Does anybody else play live music online? - http://myspace.com/eponymo...
ever played with HobNox ? http://www.hobnox.com/index...
- Ben Borges
I haven't but I will. The interface looks pretty cool with all those effects boxes.
- Patrick Beard
i'll say playing with the real machines is a great experience, we have those same machines and effects boxes on studio, it's really fascinating how much you can do with those old school gears :)
- Ben Borges
I joined the HobNox beta. Can one save the results of the tools yet?
- Patrick Beard
not yet...hobnox seems huge, take loads of time to have a decent profile, dunno about recording the result, i suppose it will be possible..
- Ben Borges
How many times a week do you blog? I am down to about two - three.
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personally? yes, 2 or 3. professionally, approx 25-30x per week
- Sarah Perez
I'm aiming for 10 a month, but hope to pick that up soon
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
personally I don't think setting a "limit" is a good thing. I only post when I have something relevant to say.
- Fred Oliveira
5 or 6 times. I don't blog every day like I used to.
- Morton Fox
I never blogged that often, but I'm down to 3 or 4 times a month.
- Bwana ☠
for me, it depends on what i come up with. usually 2 a day and the number of days are random for me.
- Outsanity
It's not really a limit. It's a my own metric to gauge if I'm blogging based on my own standards. I don't blog for the sake of flooding the web with worthless HTML. I'm the kind of person that needs to set measurable goals. Else, I'm likely to get lackadaisical.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
40-50 posts a month.
- Louis Gray
I blog 4-5 times a week across 3 blogs - but that is less not cause of twitter, FF, and pownce.
- Tony
from Alert Thingy
I am at 2 or 3 a week, but even that has been limited the past 2 weeks.
- Rob Diana
Steve, probably blogging about twice a week on average on BryanPerson.com -- and realizing that's not enough to maintain loyal and participatory readership.
- Bryan Person
Still at 7-20 times a week
- Jeremiah Owyang
At least 7 - depends on the week.
- Jesse Stay
I'm up to about 5-6 per day
- Paul Jonas
from twhirl
In the last week I've blogged about 15 posts. More and more posts that I blog on are coming from FF.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm posting about 40 articles a week
- Nick O'Neill
i'd blog everyday, but i can't. i create 4-6 posts on average.
- Jansen Lu
Not too much...
- Daniel Schildt
I only blog when something catches my attention enough to do so & when the subject isn't saturating the blogosphere already (unless it's something I want to comment on, but there's simply too much to say for just a comment)... Sociosophy.com usually gets more posts, because of the thousands of social media and 2.0 awesomes that are out there.
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
I try to post most days, but I'm on the road this month and I'm letting things slip - so it's mostly photoblogging at the moment...
- Simon Bisson
from Alert Thingy
I'd have to break that down by blog...
- Cyndy
5-7 days a week. there is more than enough material to blog on
- Deepak Singh
I aim for once a day for each of the two blogs I maintain I usually get about 3x a week on one blog and 5x a week on the other.
- Rachel Rubin
About twice a year. I’m dumping links and other stuff on it almost daily, though. Microblogging is much more fun.
- Guillermo Esteves
from Alert Thingy
once
- Luigi Centenaro
Only when I feel like I have something to say. I keep three different blogs with a different purpose. Sometimes I may have a lot in a week, some weeks I may have nothing.
- William Beem
7-8x per week, it means every day
- Christian Henner-Fehr
embarassed to admit- like 10? Different blogs tho.
- anna sauce
Since moving to Tumblr - I make much shorter posts, but more of them - about 20-35 per week.
- Steve Isaacs
1-3 times a week. It is time consuming to figure out logic for my blog topics.
- ClubEddy - clubeddy.com
@Steve: I used to use tumblr, but it lacked good SEO, so I went back to WordPress. I generally post once or twice a day on it, if I have nothing else in my agenda.
- Josh Jenkins
FF has put a huge dent in blogging. 1-2 times per week tops
- Roberto Bonini
I blog about once every 2 years.
- Patrick Beard
from twhirl
I try and blog weekly.
- Steve Ellwood
Theory: Caprica-Six really isn't pregnant.
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The only knowledge that we have of her pregnancy is an off-screen meeting between Doc Cottle and Adama. If the Doc was the fifth Cylon, he might be faking the test results to drive a wedge between Adama and Tigh. Still having a problem believing that two skin jobs can make a pregnancy.
- Mark Dykeman
Mark- I'm starting to like the Doc Cottle theory. The pregnancy thing was a bit odd.
- Mike
Doesn't have the impact needed to my mind. My money's going on a 50/50 split between Lee Adama (handed the presidency, plus his tenuous relationship with his father), or Rosalyn - especially now that Adama has given up command of Galactica and therefore protection of the fleet; wouldn't it be juicy if he'd done all that for a sworn enemy he's deeply in love with?
- Pete
Pete- I think all the big names are too obvious. The audience would hate the show's creators if it was Laura/ Starbuck/ an Adama etc (unless it was done really cleverly). I've lost the link now but there's some betting company offering odds on who the final Cylon is and Dee is their favourite.
- Mike
I hope it is not Dee. Dee is boring. Admiral Cain would have been an awesome choice. I think the cylons match up to the greek pantheon. 6 is Aphrodite, 8 is Athena etc... Chief is Hephaestus, Tigh is Ares. We would need to figure who is missing from the Pantheon, I think we are a female short under that logic.
- RAPatton
RAP - interesting theory, but why would the Cylons structure their models based on a Colonial pantheon that they don't believe in; for some reason, these machines are monotheistic
- Mark Dykeman
The cylons were built by man; I did not say the cylons knew this.
- RAPatton
I am guessing that they are sort of the "lords of cobol;" the problem is the greek pantheon is 6 and 6
- RAPatton
I wouldn't put too much weight in Doc Cottle being the final cylon. Each cylon is a specific archetype and personality: they were designed that way. There's already a doctor archetype; he's one of the original 6.
- Mark Trapp
And regarding cylon-on-cylon mating: remember, no one, not even the original 6, knows what the final 5 are capable of. Maybe the final 5 can mate with cylons.
- Mark Trapp
Yep, Simon was a doc, which makes him Apollo.
- RAPatton
I'd say Leoben is Hades. One thing I thought of; we know models 1-6, 8, and then 4 others. 8 is Sharon, and if you assume the last 4 are the 4 we found out at the end of season 3, it splits the model list between "mostly associated with cylon culture" and "mostly associated with galatica culture." If that's the case, we're looking for model 7, which bridges the gap between the two? Baltar!
- Mark Trapp
Hades technically isn't in the pantheon. I would say D'Anna is demeter because Demeter lives half her life in the underworld which ties into her dying over and over again and with her being boxed. Otherwise I would guess she was Hera.
- RAPatton
What do you think about number 5 being a good analogue for Hermes? PR Guy <--> God of Orators, thieves, and liars
- Mark Trapp
See, it all fits, because the Pantheon are archetypes too. I am sure they thought of this at some point, my only question is did they follow through with this idea or just pick the 5 most interesting people in the fleet.
- RAPatton
The problem is, it breaks down in two places: 1) like you said, the pantheon is 6 male, 6 female, but the cylon models are already 7 males, 4 females, and one unknown, and 2) Anders. He's really out of place. I really don't get how he fits into anything, and they really haven't used him other than as a rock for Kara. What would be his analogue?
- Mark Trapp
You know what, I just thought of this: Anders is Hestia. Very much about keeping the marriage/family together with Kara.
- Mark Trapp
If it is just the original 12 and not the pantheon it would be include Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hestia, Hera, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Aphrodite, Hermes, Artemis and Hephaestus. That is back to 7-5 male female.
- RAPatton
Anders could be hermes, the "god of athletes and is given credit for inventing boxing and racing."
- RAPatton
I was thinking he might even be Athena, "goddess of heroes and heroic endeavors" for his work in the resistance on Caprica. There's also the alternate pantheon of replacing Hestia with Dionysus, which would fit in with Baltar nicely.
- Mark Trapp
Since Athena is her call sign, I am going with 8 as Athena
- RAPatton
My head hurts ...
- Timothy Griffin
Yeah I'm trying to follow this but I feel that Mark and RAPatton know far more than most of us on this subject- can one of you guys break it all down for the rest of us dunces? ;-)
- Mike
My list so far is: Model 1 (??), Model 2/Leoben (??), Model 3/DAnna (Demeter), Model 4/Simon (Apollo), Model 5 (Hermes), Model 6 (Aphrodite), Model 7/Final Cylon (??), Model 8/Sharon (Athena), Model 9/Tyrol? (Hephaestus), Model 10/Anders? (Hestia), Model 11/Tigh? (Ares), Model 12/Foster? (Hera). Which leaves Zeus, Poseidon, and Artemis being the final three gods, which would make the final cylon probably Artemis.
- Mark Trapp
But I'd want to change up a few of these and not rely on male-to-male/female-to-female analogues. In addition, there are a few ways, depending on how you want to do it, to define the Greek pantheon: Dionysus can replace Hestia, and Hades might replace Hestia
- Mark Trapp
For reference on what gods are what: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mark Trapp
Since the miniseries, I believed Baltar to be a cylon, so it would be vindication for me if Baltar was a cylon (via the Dionysus, god of wine, orgies, parties, good times, connection). If it's going to be an Adama, my money is on the dead brother/son. No way is it President Roslin.
- Mark Trapp
Another thought is that this really is a retelling of the Christianity vs. Roman Empire struggle, alluding to the cylons being the 12 apostles. That'd take a bit more work to come up with analogues for them.
- Mark Trapp
Or, she is, but Tigh isn't the father.
- Patrick Beard
Submitted the pantheon questions here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtra...
- RAPatton
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