I think it's the industry's best chance to topple IE. - l0ckergn0me
I'd love to take it for a spin. Is there an ETA for the public release yet? - Ray Metzen
I read the comic book twice, and despite my Safari leanings, I think this one has legs. Question is... if iPhone trumps Android, does Google port it to the iPhone? - Louis Gray
That's not the point. I use Firefox, and want to know why Google, which has a good relationship with Mozilla (apparently) chose to go the Not Invented Here route, when there was an established open source platform to work with. The only thing I can think of is that this is to get a good mobile browser since webkit has proven itself on the iphone. - Deepak
Please let Google release it as an app for the iPhone with Gears, Flash and Java enabled. And please let Apple let them do that! - Tony Ruscoe
I'm still curious about the firefox usage aggrigation project mentioned in the first half of the year, had a techcrunch article but has gone strangely quiet ever since. Some are claiming it'll cover only interface stats and others actual traffic data. - alphaxion
first release will be sep-02. it now seems clear that APIs like safebrowsing [http://bit.ly/3QvWL7] and gears [http://bit.ly/4amra2] were all part of a longer-term strategy to change the game for their app set. - MikeAmundsen
Deepak, the most logical explanation seems to be that Google wants to take Chrome in a direction where Mozilla doesn't want to go. What exactly that is remains to be seen when the thing is released... - Ray Metzen
Deepak, it may be that the Webkit codebase is simply easier to work with. I haven't looked at either in years, but Firefox used to be quite a beast. - Paul Buchheit
Sounds great to have new players on the browser field. But how will the support from Google to Mozilla be affected after Chrome? - Christian Van Der Henst
Ray/Paul, fair enough. I am not saying that the choice is wrong, but I would like to know why. The mobile future is my guess, but it's only a guess. - Deepak
Deepak, that's probably a good guess. Another reason might be that Google apps are more deeply integrated than Mozilla would be comfortable with. - Ray Metzen
I think everybody has the same question. Why Chrome when we have Firefox? Why can't Google extend support to FF? - Rohit Srivastwa
That's bad news for Firefox. The early Google Chrome adopters are likely to be the same people that jumped on early FF as well. But what's more important, I think the idea behind Chrome is to build and position it as an application platform, which FF failed to achieve. - Franci Penov
Looking forward to it. My designer isn't happy though, yet another browser to test not that IE is going away anytime soon. - Angsuman Chakraborty
Paul, thanks for the link, that's illuminating. - Jason Wehmhoener
Frankly I am concerned that Google is becoming more like Microsoft, leaving not much room for small companies to innovate and make a living. - Angsuman Chakraborty
It's a classic and in my house, probably played at least once a day! :) - Emma
Minimium requirement of once daily; see your physician if you're hearing this less than that; alternatively you are allowed to neurotically play it to yourself in your head as well - Pete Delucchi
Awesome! Finally able to get moo.com to work. Ordering 200 of the new full sized moo cards now. - Thomas Hawk via Bookmarklet
...took advantage of the LinkedIn / 50 free business cards special and they arrived while we were in Portland. Finally took a good look at them and I must say, I am very impressed. Great card stock and excellent quality (image and finish). - JA Castillo
@JA Castillo -- can you elaborate on that deal? I'd like to check it out - Jeremy Raines
Just completed my order. It was really fun to make. Hopefully the cards will be here soon. :) - Thomas Hawk
@Jeremy Raines - it was a limited time offer. You can follow the link for 15% off your order. http://www.moo.com/linkedin/ The tie-in is that could import the basics of your LinkedIn account and your profile URL. I will be posting pics of my cards later this weekend to show how they came out. - JA Castillo
i've ordered the mini cards from MOO a couple times now, totally love them! - benton yetman
Just ordered my cards before I even saw this feed. We all must be connected psychically... - John Ford
I'm wondering if they now have color management? Last time I checked, (I emailed them last year) they did not honor the color space tag in your photos, so it was pot luck if your images would print in the correct colors. I ordered one set, while happy with them in every other way, but the color accuracy wasn't what I was expecting. Hope this has changed. I just e-mailed them, I'll post their response here when I receive it. - Jeff P. Henderson
Nice to everyone all a buzz about a British company! - Andy Davies
Well, I broke down and ordered 50 business cards, even though I have not heard back from Moo regarding color management. Can't wait to see them! - Jeff P. Henderson
just received my 50 I ordered on Thursday morning. I live in London so they cane down the road. Got the green ones colours are good as is matt finish - Phill Price
Heard they were originally to be called 'Pleasure cards'. Moo is much better. - Patricia Hanrahan
Wow! I had always wanted to get more of the Moo cards, but was concerned that they would no be well-received outside the Web2.0 crowd. Now I can get the regular-size business cards. I will definitely take advantage of this. - Stephen Shores
How long does it usually take to get your Moo cards? I think I am going to have to finally order some. - Adam Helweh
I think it takes about 10 days or so, but I'm not sure. I ordered on Friday and I'll post back when I receive mine. They come from the UK so I think that might account for some of the time that it takes. - Thomas Hawk
I totally LOVE my moo cards, and every time you hand one out, people are facinated by them. Moo cards FTW! - Iain Baker
I love them. I have business card and the mini-moo sizes and carry the mini-moo holder around with me all the time on my key-ring. I love giving them out to people. I'm trying to work out a project to use them with. - Rory
I ordered some cards last week, they should be here soon. I think they are excellent. - Michael
The reason I say this is that the adoption curve for Twitter, well took a while. Friendfeed adoption curve is steeper, with more folks coming on faster. Early micromedia adoption from twitter paved the way for FF to quickly take off. I'd guess that if FF came before Twitter, adoption would have been slower. Your thoughts? - Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I think you're right. For all its troubles (which seem to be under control now), Twitter was the trail blazer. I wouldn't be using any social media if it weren't for Twitter. - Gregory Pittman
I think the migration pattern is more interesting.. why have many Twitter users moved over to FF .. secondly what is the 'stickiness' factor of Twitter. The core philosophy of twitter was- what you doing.Whereas, with FF its feed me interesting stuff. Like Scobles sez, smart people are on FF, does that mean smart people are not on Twitter ? Nope, it just means that different methods for different people. IS/was Twitter a gateway to FF, in a way Yes. But, on the other hand new comers to Twitter see a post in - Peter Dawson
<cont> inbound from FF and then are sucked into FF. Remember, there is not much you express in 140 char. - Peter Dawson
Totally agree. Twitter alone didn't hook me, but combined w/ ff, did. Related thought - how does Twitter differ from kids relentlessly changing chat client status messages? I've seen those get to 140 characters or more too (for those that have seen how teens use chat) - Kim Mahan
Peter, I don't think it's a migration. Twitter will co-exist. The fact of the matter is Friendfeed is an aggregator, it sits on top as an overlay. (although some conversations have completely shifted over here) - Jeremiah Owyang
Each person has a different experience with twitter and ff, so I don't think this is a universal truth. For my part, I'm fascinated by twitter and bored with ff. I think the constraints of twitter are part of what make it more fun -- as well as the additional visuals -- peoples' faces, choices of backgrounds, etc. My ff is analytical, and twitter is whimsical. I expect the flavorings of these otherwise similar services (not limited to these 2) to continue to specialize and for distinct cultures to emerge. - Ruth Kaufman
That has to be the best explanation of the transition I have ever heard. - Rob Diana
the "gateway drug" in a concoction that can be made with many "social" ingredients. Twitter is almost always a key part of that recipe. - Kevin Sablan via twhirl
I'm new to all this, but I think Friendfeed is really phenomenal. The discussions and the content all in one easy to digest thread. I'm really enjoying it here and I am looking forward to making more friends so I can feed. - Jonathan (Vacation Boy)
gateway drug my ass ... show me the MONEY trail ... on friend the user is the broadcaster-content provider-distributor (with club-like access restricted rooms)-MIDDLEMAN... Sad but true Friendfreed makes it clear that there is no disintermediation! Friendfeed make you the middle - whose monetization? Let's see how that works out for US - reintermediation as user- generators of units of bandwidth/relevance !!! The gateway is the speed of payment & velocity of fees by payment companies !!! trade bandwidth !!! - Mad Inchina
Gateway Drug -- a great line! I think the addition of the 'Share with note' feature in Google Reader was the gateway for me. I had very few friends using Google Reader (ouch!) but loved finally being able to share and comment on the stuff I was reading. I was hooked on FF immediately. My Google Reader use has dropped quite a bit. - Richard Crocker
I went hardcore straight away, and still I feel it's not "hard" enough for me: e.g. why comments are not treated just like posts (I want to like/reshare/comment-on a comment to), why you can't follow reshares of a post, etc. I guess I'll have to write something "as soon as I marry my daughters" (to borrow a phrase from my mom) - The Dod
"The Onion is standing in the middle of the airport with his pants around his ankles while an angry, brawny “pickle” slips on a examination glove in preparation for a body cavity search.
I’ve got so many questions." - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
I quite liked that Gorgeous gherkin girl behind the counter, I think she could be pretty tasty! However, a little bit later, I did feel sorry for the tomato on Halloween night..eh.hang on a min WTF!.. But maybe the moral lesson is this, if you're an onion; always make sure you've got your nose clean and your eyes peeled, no matter how many layers you've got..because there's always a gherkin who has a rubber glove; with your name on it! - Jason Brooks
at least the artist had the good taste to pluralize veg... raise your hand if you think that there was a higher up who requested the S to soften the closeness to wet vag? - Rob Reed
There's also the drawing of the exit. Pretty funny. - Robert Konigsberg
Birmingham,UK or Birmingham, Alabama hey what's the difference, there's no big deal really. The would have got away with it too if hadn't been for you local residents. - James Robertson
The first thing this made me think is that they stole the image from the internet and haven't paid the photographer. I would put money on it. - Natali Fisher
it's usually a case of "not my problem" until it affects them. then it becomes an issue. i'm no different though, but the photography restrictions in many places throughout ny including and especially public places has been a very disturbing trend since 9/11. security vs liberties or at least that's how the powers that be would like us to believe - Cee Bee
Steven, I just took a deep dive into your feed to see all the "photography is not a crime" stories I missed the first time around. And you're right - people get slammed to the ground, arrested, jailed, and convicted, and most of us (me included) ignore it. One person is asked to leave a building, and it becomes a Federal case. Perhaps SF MOMA can sponsor an exhibition of the work of Carlos Miller and the others, and everybody will be happy. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
which if you consider the number of bloggers and people here on FriendFeed who are either ardent amateur photographers or professional it is so surprising that this kind of thing takes such a back seat unbl it is someone like Thomas who yells louad enough at being wronged. Now to give Thomas credit he also has talked with Carlos Miller in the past and tried to write about it but we can see how far that got the injustices being done into the public eye let alone the tech blogosphere's attention span. - Steven Hodson
I still blame Mona for the wave of interest - Michael J Cohen
Steve: I missed your previous posts and wish I hadn't. I think they are great and appreciate you taking the time and effort to bring the the topic to light. I follow Carlos Miller's blog as well and really don't like the trend we are seeing in regards to photographers and our rights. For me, FriendFeed and blogging (which I recently started) has helped me make my voice heard for what I believe in. Previously, I would read a story in the paper or online and not have any outlet or way to share it. - Justin Korn
...However, on another note, I don't agree with the title of your post here since it sounds like you are targeting Thomas Hawk as opposed to the underlying issue you are trying to address. - Justin Korn
Indeed, I missed your July post. However, "late to the party" I feel is inaccurate. Thomas Hawk wrote in the first person, and that of course is the best way to justify attention-grabbing rhetoric. In the end, many things conspired to make this story "pop." Don't feel bad, Steve!
P.S. I like your moxie! - Richard Walker
to a point Justin you might be right *BUT* I can tell you this if I hadn't used that headline tyou can bet the post would have gone unnoticed as every post about this issue had before it - having to use that headline achieved two things - it got attention to a serious matter and it salso proves my point at the same time. - Steven Hodson
I wrote about this on my blog as well. Last year though, and before I was doing the FF thing. Harder to get it noticed if it's not one of the echo chamber that it happens too. You article is definitely correct about that. - Todd Jordan
thanks to whoever Stumbled this post - Steven Hodson
@Todd - the Broad Brush - subscribed - Steven Hodson
@Steven, This issue is not new to the tech Bolg sphere. If you follow Thomas, it has happened to him many times and he has been blogging about it for years. I see posts almost weekly from Thomas as well as several other photographer-tech bloggers about this sort of injustice all over the world. I agree that it sucks, and should not happen. I think it is good that so much noise has been made about this particular incident as it will shed light on others and bring them to the public's attention. - Jeff P. Henderson
@Jeff - Steven's article really highlights the ongoing problem. It's sad though that we only get riled up when Thomas speaks about it. That said, I'm familiar with Thomas having run ins; he's not been silent. I've run into this problem as well personally. The real issue is that we should rally around photographers whether they are part of our soc network or not. - Todd Jordan
Steven, good to see another perspective on the issue. Of course as you so eloquently pointed out, the situation is hardly unique to Thomas Hawke. Photographers have been accosted, arrested, and threatened just for the simple act of taking a photograph. I'm sorry your posts didn't generate the buzz that Hawke's did, but the bottom line is that we are bringing light to the situation and that's a good thing. - Jack Wilson
I'm reading past the catchy headline. We have entered a new kind of fascism already. Unlike the mechanistic and structured kind of fascism of the 20th Century, this one is a more decentralized process. Today's fascism depends heavily on the ignorance, silence and distraction of populations. Most people who rave about iPhones probably don't care about their rights as photographers. Ironically, this new fascism will soon subsume the very trinkets which FASCinate the tech-o-sphere. We are all late. - phil baumann
It all goes back to the rights of an individual vs. the rights of a group vs. the rights of an authority who speaks for the group. In some cultures that honor the group more than the individual, there wouldn't be a discussion; the Hawks and Millers of the world wouldn't have a "right" to do these things. However, people in California, Florida, and Tennessee presumably have these rights. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Yet another person gets harassed and abused by a rent-a-cop who claims it's illegal to take photos while walking down the street. - Mike via Bookmarklet
And learning from what happened to Thomas Hawk yesterday, he got his revenge by getting so many people to link to the guy that assaulted him (Google Simon Blint for a laugh) that the online reputation of this guy is in tatters. - Pete Gilbert
Yeah I saw that, and so will everyone who is looking to give him a job in the future, I'm surprised he's not taken his facebook account down yet - Zoe
Jeez, that's a lot of Thomas Hawk-generated linkage. Maybe he could get work with Avon & Somerset Guarding Services if MOMA kick him out. - Mike
I am good good online friends with Aztec West, we share a lot of interests, I am very upset about this. - Natali Fisher
Andrew Peterson aka Thomas Hawk is no angel. Unfortunately, most of the moronic blogerati blindly side with him after reading the first paragraph of his post. - Leather Donut
@Leather Donut We were actually more discussing a different incident which was only tangentially related to the Thomas Hawk blog post http://moourl.com/00vyf - Mike
Hehe..I just front paged the story on TGM and told the fanbois to digg it. - Candace Holly
I still don't understand why it hasn't reached 200 yet??? SO confused. Come ON FFers! - Mona N.
Looks like a petty tyrant to me. In my opinion he must be a frustrated artist who has to work in a museum to be close to stuff he can't make himself.It would make him cross to see people actually making art! - Pete Gilbert
Pete, did you digg it? The more people hear about this, the more some sort of action will be taken against the "Director of Visitor Relations". It is NOT ok to treat people like that! - Mona N.
If everyone Likes this, more people will see it, so Like away. - Chris White
Pete, now add digg service to your FF, and all is complete. - Pete Delucchi
Service added. I hope this guy Googles his name sometime soon. What a jerk. - Pete Gilbert
What he needs is a reality check. Director of Customer Relations, my left ass cheek. Seriously. - Mona N.
Can I just add, although this guy was a jerk, it's not him we are fighting, but the right to take photographs without being branded as a criminal. - Pete Gilbert
+1 Pete and I agree. I do think Thomas is owed an apology and, I also think the museum needs to make it very clear to *everyone* their policy. He took a great picture in the museum..when is that a bad thing? - Candace Holly
I could've chosen a layover in SF or LA on my way to Denver in October. I'll be having my In-n-Out burger in LA - Stephen Cropp
Yeah, like, how come we can't take pictures in locker rooms or during drug deals? I hate that. Um yeah Stephen, blame a whole city for a particular museum's head of security (which is what he is). BTW, SFO is a much better airport than LAX. - Chris White
Chris White, may I respectfully ask if you read Thomas Hawk's piece? - Mona N.
Yes Mona, you may ask. I also digged the article. My comment was a joke related to the mantra "Photography is not a crime." Because sometimes it is a crime, and other times it's evidence of one. - Chris White
@Chris - I'm not tarring the whole city like this one man. Only that on this is pretty bad PR for the publicly funded/supported museum. As someone from outside the US, PR is everything and this doesn't do well to make me want to spend my money there. SFO may or may not be better. I've only ever been via LAX in the past. Was considering SF given that all flights had at least a half day in either city. Don't intend to stay in the airport the whole time I'm there. - Stephen Cropp
Sigh,more of the same. Seems like I hear more and more of these stories. It is truely sad that in an art museam, someone is stopped while persueing an art form. Photography is art, an expression to the world of the artist perspective. I'd join in with the DSLR day if I lived on your side of the pond. - Roberto Bonini
As a photographer as a hobby, I always carry a copy of the photographer's rights. http://www.krages.com/phoright... Many people are misinformed about the use of personal cameras. The parapazzi are a lot to blame for this attitude however. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I'm sorry, and yes, this is bad PR, but this seems a lot of pushing the interpretation due to lack of knowledge of technical terms. As Nathan pointed out in another thread, it did say "handheld" cameras. Of course, everyone will argue that a DSLR is technically a handheld camera if you can hold it in your hand, but unless you're an idiot, you'd interpret that as a point 'n shoot. I don't expect everyone will recognize lenses. Shoot, *I* can't tell the difference and I live way more camera equipment than... - Cyndy
... I will ever understand. Lastly, it smacks of "do you know who I am? I'll BLOG this" which I find offensive. I notice than anyone on Digg who tried to interject with reason or common sense was buried, especially the ones who asked why you'd join a museum just to take pictures in it instead of just experiencing other people's art. - Cyndy
Obviously a brain dead employee that didn't read the new handbook yet - Charlie Anzman
I suggest an email and letter writing campaign. It can't hurt. Also, when this stuff happens, contacting local newspapers and TV might help increase awareness...along with simply refusing to patronize entities that take this approach. There are lots of things to see and do in San Francisco. This museum just made it to my NEVER GOING THERE list. - ScottBourne
Cyndy: There's also the fact that we are totally going by one person's say-so and reporting of the incident. I gather the dude is a fairly well known blogger in photography circles, but it's still amazing how much this is pushing people's buttons and getting their blood to boil with a sense of injustice. It's sort of a scary mob scene. - ⓞnor
Of course, someone could phone the museum and ask them to comment on the situation for the record. It would be in everyone's interest, and, you know, someone here could do it. - j1m
I love how his excuse was that he needed to "protect" his employees -- as if the employees who would be in the photos work for the Director of Visitor Relations, and they need his protection, and not letting somebody use a big camera in their vicinity would somehow protect them from something. - Gabe Schaffer
Cyndy: I guess I'm an idiot, because I interpret "handheld" camera to mean a camera held in one's hand, as opposed to on a tripod. Most museums without absurd photography policies allow visitors to take photos, just not use flashes or camera supports (monopods or tripods). I've never heard of a policy where you can take as many photos as you want as long as they're crappy (because you can't use a good camera). - Gabe Schaffer
Larger issues are: Patriot act, DMCA, public/private rights, IP law. In light of that, I marvel at gregory's efficient 3-word reductionist comment. - Richard Walker
You could have sent it to @louisgrayfacts on twitter which feeds into the room. Louis Gray always finds a way to post something on FriendFeed :) - Rob Diana
