Researchers in Argentina are currently studying the effect of methane produced by livestock on global warming, and to measure the amount of gas produced by cows, they outfitted the animals with pink tanks to collect their farts. Thanks Selim Yörük http://friendfeed.com/e/cf8f8b... - Mitchell Tsai via Bookmarklet
The Argentine researchers discovered methane from cows accounts for more than 30 per cent of the country’s total greenhouse emissions. - Mitchell Tsai
Heh, 55million cows, that's double Australia's population ! - Mo Kargas
Looking at this, that old idea of flying cows doesn't seem so far off. All we need is some kind of steering device. :) - Meryn Stol
You've got to be kidding! That's so funny! - Carrie
30 per cent of the country’s total greenhouse emissions? ...hehe ...haha...=)) - Selma
perhaps the new arian generations (sons of WW2 refugees) are planning to conquer the world with the final weapon: cows emissions :D - marcantonio severgnini
This Method is not Applicable also disturb Cow !!! - Mahdi Ebrahimi
I have to wonder what a mischievous boy with a bow and flaming arrow could do... - Mo Kargas
Thanks for the via note Mitchell : ) - Selim Yoruk
I *hope* it really comes to fruition. Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I'm always pretty skeptical when I see any early stage technology that promises an energy revolution. I guess that's just that way University press offices and headlines work though. Even if it only ever got industrial use, it could still potentially reduce the use of nasty basic solutions and make industrial electrolysis a bit greener, which is a good thing. Go Green Chemistry ! - Andrew Perry
You can also do that "?" in Google Reader (if you use it) - AJ Batac
Thank you Paul! (I undo more than I do ....) - Charlie Anzman
thinking, whether its technically possible to more undo than doing! :) - Jigar Mehta
Still waiting on the "unsend" feature.... - Alex Cook
Charlie captured my editing style pretty well also. It is possible, at least by my count. Type something, undo it, type it again, undo it, retype it and then actually send/post/submit/publish it. You've really only *done* it once, and undone something else twice. See? :) - Todd McKinney
cool! Does that mean I can UNSEND a message now? I keep waiting for them to add that... - Tim Hoeck
I wish. Unsend would probably be my top feature request at this point. It's a little tricky, but definitely doable (requires a small delivery delay obviously, but an extra 15 seconds is not big deal for email). - Paul Buchheit
totally agree on unsend. holy shit that feature would have saved me from alienating most of my friends (i think... sniff.... yeah, its not the BO) - tommy payne
Even I would wish for outlook/exchange-like 'Recall' feature for google based domains (gmail and google apps).. I love it when I use it from outlook.. :) - Jigar Mehta
@Jigar You realize that "recall" feature does absolutely nothing except say "this person wishes to recall the message blah." You can't unsend an email unless you're sending to people in a controlled environment. - Erica Baker
wishlist: 'd' to delete instead of '# 'since I used it the most :( On mobile 'd' is used for delete but not on the desktop..why? - Yeong-Ping Koh
I can't say for sure... but I can guess: we wanted to make it harder so you didn't accidentally do it (hitting # requires two keys) and d = delete doesn't internationalize well. - Michael Leggett
That's exactly right. Delete and Report Spam are "severe" operations, so the shortcuts are # and !. - Paul Buchheit
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-I don’t have anything to hide. How does this affect me?
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-What are common inaccuracies about FISA reported in the media?
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Find below how you can make a real impact in less than 60 seconds. Every person counts — the Senators who will vote are watching the numbers. 41 Senators can block the bill, and it’s not too late." - Jason Wehmhoener via Bookmarklet
Great article. The key to the noise issue is liberal use of the hiding features. - Aaron B. Hockley
agreed, nice primer - i tend not to use hide that much i just move on by since ff flows pretty quickly - i do tend to block more often lately though, mainly for those w/ high irritation tendencies - mike "glemak" dunn
Thx Aaron. Particularly with microblogging platforms, definitely, but as I noted, I don't do it for blog posts (well foreign language sutff aside) because the good stuff is usually in something someone had taken effort in writing, as opposed to say a Pownce/ Jaiku/ Twitter update - Duncan Riley
Great stuff! I do take a different opinion about duplication in syndicated streams, but otherwise very solid tips! Thanks! - Phil (scribkin)
J. Phil, one thing to keep in mind, if you start duplicating too much, people start hiding you. It's why I pulled things like Plurk out of my blog feed, and didn't add Identi.ca. The irony of course is that this is suppose to be a lifestreaming service, but I think we're starting to move past that very basic premise. - Duncan Riley
Duncan - I will agree, people start hiding some of the duplicate content. Hopefully just enough so that they are no longer seeing the duplication, and they have chosen the services they prefer (like diigo over del.icio.us in my case, or mixx over digg). And if a conversation springs up, if they did the hide right, they will still see it. - Phil (scribkin)
I need to start hiding things more. Also, when did you start integrating TradeVibes into posts? - Ben Parr
Here is my argument FOR duplication when necessary, and I guess I could make this into a blog post: I like an article, so I bookmark it and digg it. In theory, this generates FOUR entries in friendfeed: Diigo and del.icio.us, Digg and Tumblr. Looks like spam if you aren't filtering it, but some people will want to find me on digg, and others will want to see my tumblr. Why should I deny them? - Phil (scribkin)
My "like" here actually means I liked this. The one that really rang true with me is reciprocal follows. If you don't follow me, that's cool. But it's not likely I'll follow you long. FF really is a sharing kinda thing. If I wanted broadcast, I'd still be on Twitter. - Chris Baskind
I hide everything I've read. In fact, at one point I was hitting the daily limit on hides and when I'd hit the link the little loading icon would sit there and spin. - Ken Sheppardson
Ken - that's one of the more extreme uses of Hide I've heard. But then, I guess you won't see this comment... - Hutch Carpenter
I REALLY want to see the URL treated as the top level object. Six people each bookmarking and sharing and twittering a link shouldn't result in 18 new items in my feed...at least not by default. By default I'd like to see each of those actions appear as a "comment", and pop the item onto my list the same way a comment/like would. Here's my UI mockup :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/k... - Ken Sheppardson
Agreed a great article!! I am new here and need all the help I can get. - Mel.Buckpitt
No, saw your comment, Hutch. Because I regularly go back and look at the items I've commented on or have hidden. I switch back and forth from "discovery" mode where I'm hiding stuff that's in my "inbox" to "converation" mode where I go back and follow-up on stuff I've seen/liked/commented on. - Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but then who owns the thread? Right now, the moderator of a thread (and owner) is the person who published the item on which the discussion resides. But if there are multiple people publishing the same story, and they're all now part of one single feed, who gets top billing? And how would you handle reshares, or bookmarklet shares? - Mark Trapp
If we take the time to 'clean up our own' stuff occasionally and throw a pointer to the primary thread (like this one already has) it will help for now. i have a lot of faith in the FF gang but right now, it's all in how you use it. First timers need to learn BEFORE they drop out. - Charlie Anzman
As a strawman I'd say the first person to post the URL "owns" it (does posting an item really give you any form of "moderation" functionality??) Any subsequent twits, shares, likes, comments... whatever... show up attached to the original post. There's be no point to "reshares". Commenting or liking an item would serve the same purpose. A bookmarklet share would appear the same way (as shown in my mockup) - Ken Sheppardson
Ken - I can see link aggregation for a particular user's stuff, but link aggregation between users would cause a lot of confusion. - Phil (scribkin)
Ken, the other thing with consolidation is a lot of times, merging conversations wouldn't be interesting to people. One group of people might have an entirely different discussion about the content that a different group of people may have. Merge all the items together, we all have to have the same conversation. It's been brought up a few times tonight, but every time Friendfeed takes away the control from the individual experience, you run into problems. It's what makes Friendfeed Friendfeed. - Mark Trapp
The forced merge of conversation doesn't seem to be the answer. - Mark Trapp
Perhaps there's some compromise where FF could add a drop down list of all the conversations associated with a particular URL, next to the "More" link, for example. Could list the action, number of comments, and number of likes. Or somebody could just come along and write a full blown desktop client that would let us slice/dice the feed the way we want to see it (ala email) - Ken Sheppardson
Ken, re the overall duplication: absolutely yes. I'd love nothing more than for FF to say list the primary link, the offer a supplemental list underneath of people who have Dugg, bookmarked, whatever under that. J.Phil, that goes to your point as well, although what I'd say is that although you can't avoid some duplication, but that doesn't mean you cant reduce it. If you're ping.fming Pownce, Twitter, Jaiku etc with the same message, do you need all three or more feeding into FF? - Duncan Riley
Ken - There is a point to re-shares. If we start re-sharing to FF rooms, that concept will gain more wide-spread acceptance, and possible help all of this. - Charlie Anzman
Duncan, I especially appreciated the unsubscribe without return follow tip. - Michael C. Harris
Duncan, I think the user bears a HUGE responsibility not to pollute the stream by feeding three or four copies of everything into their account (e.g. blog RSS, tweet of their post URL, FF note of their post URL, etc) and to just perhaps designate one bookmark services as feeding FF (I don't need to know somebody bookmarked AND greader shared AND dug etc an article) - Ken Sheppardson
Charlie, Good point RE rooms. Seems like it might be nice to just be able to tag an item and have it appear in the room as-is, with comment stream intact. - Ken Sheppardson
What about merging feeds just on a user's account? It wouldn't do anything for multiple people sharing the same stories, but it'd mitigate the problem of people sharing their stories to multiple services on their feed. It would still allow for water-cooler fragmented conversation, as well. - Mark Trapp
I have to agree with a lot of what you said here, especially the bit about unfollowing people. I cleaned out a lot recently for the very same reason. - Ross Maguire
This just happened to me. There was a post with a tinyurl redirect. When tinyurl goes down, then link gets lost. Thus, duplication of the article occurs or the link gets reposted somewhere in the comments. I see this often on Slashdot when servers get slashdotted. - Franklin Naval
Great article! Agree on the duplication of content. Sometimes it's just damn hard to think of all the possible ways, that the services will interact with each other. Will do it later on this week. - Sasha Kovaliov
The "Do unto others" rule is why I remove Seesmic from my services. When I get on Seesmic - I chat for hours. No one needs to be subjected to all that. - Sonciary Honnoll
Very good points, especially about the duplicates - there's nothing more annoying than to see the same links from the same person repeated 5 times from different services. The one point I don't get is the reciprocal following - I do have some "friendship" subscriptions & subscribers, but when I subscribe to someone who shares good links on a subject I'm interested in, I don't expect them to follow me in return. And when someone subscribes to me, I look at their content before deciding if I return-subscribe. - Andrea Sturm
Thanks for the tips. Don't know if I could unsubscribe from those that don't follow me. I've only got 8 now and I want to keep each and everyone! That being said, thanks for the encouraging words towards the "hide" feature. I'm just figuring out the benefits of that. - James Hull
I like this ... do you think "participation" sometimes though is 'you scratch my back and I will scratch yours'? - Mrinal Desai
I commented on Dare's blog on this: http://www.25hoursaday.com/web.... Between the blog, Reddit and FF, I'm not sure where to put a comment. Welcome to Web 2.0. - Joe Beda
What's cool (IMHO) is how passionate employees are about defending their respective companies. I have no doubt that the resulting conversation and its impact are among the healthiest ways to grow as a company. - Dimitri Glazkov
I'm still seeing a ton of brain drain out of Microsoft. Had some more smart people I used to know when I worked there telling me they have had enough and are going to leave soon. - Robert Scoble
Robert, anecdotes (like statistics) can be used to justify any argument. :) - Dare Obasanjo
Well -- anecdotes are all we have here. Outside of the various HR departments (and they aren't talking) there is no real hard data here. "Recently I’ve been bumping into more and more people..." All I can talk about is my experiences as I've worked at both companies. - Joe Beda
Dare blames terminal "startup-itis" for the devaluation of experience and process at Google. But it looks like an over-attention to consumer products may also play a part. Helps explain their slow progress with enterprise penetration. - Sprague D
Sprague: oh, please. Enterprises just don't change directions very fast. Heck, go look at a counter at Hertz Rental Car. They are still using a DOS app. Microsoft's #1 problem isn't Google: it's getting Enterprises to adopt its new stuff. - Robert Scoble
Dare: well, I wish you'd focus on making my wife's blog faster. She's always complaining about how slow it is, and just now it forced me to enter a Passport password just to get in and see her blog. Damn, I wish she'd change to Wordpress. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I work in an enterprise (a big one) and Microsoft has little problem getting the ear of IT and Ops managers to pitch new solutions. They have a track record. On the other hand, we met last week with an account manager from Google to discuss their solutions to some of our challenges and their solution to every problem was... search (the enterprise search appliance). Not credible. - Sprague D
Sprague: yeah, that would get me to kick that guy from Google out of my office too. Amazingly lame. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm sure there are people working on improving the performance of Spaces in their next major release. SinceI don't work on our Web properties I can't help you there. However I'll be sure to mention that Robert Scoble keeps nagging me about Spaces perf everytime he encounters me in comments across the internet to the Spaces devs when I'm in the office on Monday. I'm sure this will push it to the top of their priority lists. ;) - Dare Obasanjo
Funny. this seems to be a frequent topic these days. I had similar conversations with folks last night at the @garyvee drinkup. Still deep divide between Orange and Blue badges at MSFT. My bro in-law works in the Office group. Horror stories. Political BS, people being forced out of orgs. That was reason I left back in 1999. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg via NoiseRiver
Dare: Wrt you not working on web properties -- I think this is the source of some of the disconnect. Developing services is *very* different from developing client apps and platforms. Those difference permeate every part of the company and imply various strengths and weaknesses. (Enterprise is a great example) When working on web properties, thinking in terms of "next big release" is very rare. Most often, the changes are much more incremental. - Joe Beda
Joe, I haven't worked on client apps or platforms in three years. I work on Web platforms that support Web and client apps. So my perspective is primarily from a Web perspective. I have no idea what goes on in Office, Windows, DevDiv, etc these days. - Dare Obasanjo
I liked Dion's polite reply post about getting back to tech discussions. For example, earlier this week Google rolled out OAuth support for all of its Google Data APIs, which is a good thing for OAuth and for people that want to make mashups in a secure way. - Matt Cutts
Dare, are you working on internal platforms or stuff that needs to be installed on customer's machines? That is probably the biggest difference. When you are talking about code for an internally hosted service vs. code that is shipped and supported. My mistake: client apps/platforms is probably too narrow. I think that many people underestimate the difference in software and process between running a service and shipping code. - Joe Beda
Joe, I don't work on customer facing stuff. I work on Web-based platform services which are used by Web apps (like Spaces and Hotmail) and client apps (like Messenger). - Dare Obasanjo
"You just open it like a washing machine and dump in your sugar, close the door and push one button," company founder Tom Quinn told us. "A few days later, you've got ethanol." - Jason Wehmhoener
(1) Learn something new every day (2) Often, the fastest way Up is Out (3) Reverse engineer the job you want (4) Education matters, but not as much as you thought (5) You are a company of one (6) Develop your plan, and put it in writing. --- In most cases, incremental raises are single digit changes (keeping above the inflation waterline). Occasional promotion low double digits. For those that move to new job positions, outside of their company, often expect a 20%-40% increase in salary. - Mitchell Tsai
Quote: "So, mainstream American is waking up to the fact that people are engaged in something social on the web, and that business is getting done there, not just people hooking up or throwing virtual beanbags at each other. Great: for those of us living at the Edge, this is not news, however." - Hutch Carpenter
I'm a new grad, working at Google, in the sync team. I think we're building stuff people want - Neil Dunn
I hope your project is a little more specific than just "sync". Super-general projects are usual disasters. - Paul Buchheit
I love this quote: "The 3,398th web site that lets you upload and download files to a place on the Internet. I'm so excited I might just die." - Alex Gawley
I think the first time you lose your phone and have to try to remember the names + numbers of all the people you know is when you realise that you really need a sync tool that backs up your phone to the cloud. - Adewale Oshineye
Just one nitpick about the article: Companies *should* be building stuff that customers don't ask for. Lots of times customers don't know they want something until long after they see it. Lots of times customers don't know they don't want something until after they see it. Companies won't know until they try it. - Amit Patel
Probably end up being a Google/Microsoft acquisition - Joe Dawson
Ontario Emperor sort of mentioned it, but isn't twitter the perfect acquisition for FriendFeed? Not that friendfeed has a true business model yet either. - Rob Diana
Rob, actually that thought HADN'T occurred to me. Are you envisioning the incorporation of Twitter into FriendFeed, or the maintenance of FriendFeed and Twitter as separate services? - Ontario Emperor
Dennis, that was a good compilation of thoughts from the technical perspective. - Ontario Emperor
Ontario Emperor, I was thinking the integration of twitter into friendfeed. It just makes too much sense not to. - Rob Diana
I don't see how Friend Feed would acquire Twitter. Friend Feed is like 4 employees or something? Twitter is much, much bigger. - engtech
@engtech: It's known as a 'reverse takeover'. - Andy C
engtech, size doesn't matter here, money does. Not sure if twitter has that many people either, but I am sure they are bigger. - Rob Diana
Hmm.. I think you could already replace Twitter with Friend Feed. Just share without including a link. So they'd be buying users/technical expertise. - engtech
twitter is fun, twitter replaces the Balkans of IM, if twitter goes away don't we has Ponce/Haiku to replace it? - Nathan Eckenrode
engtech, well the twitter IM like conversation is hard to get started in friendfeed. Share just doesn't feel the same. - Rob Diana
Yup, but that's a user interface thing. A day of work, assuming someone is goofing off on the internet the entire time they're doing it. :) The SMS mobile phone functionality of Twitter would be harder to duplicate, but I wouldn't be surprised if the FF guys weren't thinking of it already. - engtech
understood, but I thought we were talking about replacing twitter now :) Most of this stuff isn't that hard to do. Just hard to do well and scale. - Rob Diana
Yup. Scaling is hard. I've been amazed at FF's responsiveness, but I have no idea what's going on in the background. - engtech
"but I have no idea what's going on in the background" Intelligence? - Jeremy Herbel
@all - if Twitter doesn't get its shit together and soon,it's roadkill. Enterprisey types who do know what they're doing are building this inside other apps already. @Rob Diana - it is VERY hard to do after the fact. - Dennis Howlett via Alert Thingy
I'm a huge proponent of keeping things free. That said, why doesn't Twitter just charge $5 a month for people who twit more than X number of times/day?? I know, crazy! But seriously, if there was ever a service that could support such a model twitter is it -. - Will DeLuca
I'd pay $5 a month for twitter - BUT with the caveat they improve their uptime first. - Jason Kaneshiro
Hey, is that a Poisson or a Schultz distribution? Obviously not the one you showed on FF, the one next door in the shop. Actually I've been scooped! I was thinking of t-shirts as a fundraiser for generating travel money for open science meetings. Different designs but. - Cameron Neylon
It's not really any distribution, just something I sketched then scanned in. On a side note, it's really difficult to get access to a scanner in bioinformatics; just because I'm not producing gels I have to go over to a wet lab with my weird looking little drawings. - Michael Barton
T-shirts could be a good ideas, but the online places that allow you to quickly upload images, a set up a shop don't really give you a chance to make much markup. - Michael Barton
Yeh, that was one reason I hadn't headed down the cafepress route. The other is I can't draw for nuts. - Cameron Neylon
I could try drawing any ides. My drawing isn't too good either, stick men etc. as you've seen. A better idea than an instrapreneur site might be to just buy 100 t-shirts printed them, sell them, then reclaim the costs later. Shouldn't cost too much - cheaper in the US though. Selling them shouldn't be too difficult. Amazon market place has the infrastructure. - Michael Barton
Well a couple of ideas were 'This opinion freely available for re-use' with a big CC-BY-SA logo underneath. The other, adapted from a conversation at Heather's blog was 'Fair use is not enough. Make your data cc0' (with appropriate logo). Actually neither of those require drawing, what am I talking about? :) - Cameron Neylon