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Re: Why Social Beats Search - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
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"yes, the way email filters get the spam out is a combination of algorithms and people flagging spam it seems that the most powerful solutions require a combination of human and machines"
- Fred Wilson
Buckeyes Making First Rose Bowl Appearance Since 1997 - http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/...
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Just wrote a post about my desire for a truly private social network. Would be cool to hear ur thoughts. http://bit.ly/8ATL5v - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Dude the Christians and Conservatives Want One. Could you also arange to have 5 states set aside for theem to live there with their private networks??? All of the rest of us would be eternally grateful you know??
- ThatDBD
I believe what you're after is called "email"
- Mark H
I think that privacy and "social network" are inherently in tension. FOAF is fun and it can betray you. But even friends-only, you're going to run into cases where you and your friends disagree about how much can be shared outside the network.
- Andrew C
Didn't we have that with BBSes that were unconnected to the Internet?
- Spidra Webster
The only private social networks are those on boxes you run; distributed networks.
- Itachi
email is not a social network. it's an irritant.
- Karoli
the whole internet isn't private, on the internet: if you do something on one computer (visit a website, writing an e-mail) another computer/server will know it. the only concern is how many computers know what you're doing and how many and what kind of humans(criminals or good people) know what you're doing on the internet.
- Ibrahim El Issaoui
publicly post all your data in encrypted format and only give your closest friends a key
- Raphael, Raphael
Carnage4Life: For years Microsoft worried about the living room being the future of computing. Turns out what's in your pocket matters a whole lot more. - http://twitter.com/Carnage...
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can't take the living room with you... that's for sure
- Chris Heath
I think this is only temporarily true. The living room is a much harder nut to crack, but just as valuable.
- Bill Strathearn
You know what's going to crack it Bill? Using that device you carry around in your pocket as the remote control.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I dislike the device in my pocket.
- Piaw Na
I do use the device I carry around in my pocket as my remote control.
- Henner Zeller
15 Hacks Every Dropbox User Should Know - http://www.maximumpc.com/article...
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"When you get right down to it, Dropbox is a pretty simple app. It syncs folders—that’s it. But what makes Dropbox amazing is the sheer number of different ways you can use that functionality, by itself or in conjunction with other programs, to improve your computing experience. We like Dropbox so much that we’ve written about it several times before, and we still haven’t gotten to every cool thing you can do with the program."
- AJ Batac
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HATE PAGINATION</rant>
- Itachi
Warning: Your iPhone could have Spyware on it right now - http://thenextweb.com/applici...
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"Think your non-jailbroken iPhone is safe from spyware? It might be time to think again."
- Martin Bryant
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Small but interesting point - he advocates measures like an outbound firewall be included in iPhone OS 4.0. There's a very effective one available now if you're jailbroken :)
- Patrick Jordan
It's Official: California to Get Space-Based Solar Power - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
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In 1941, a Russian naval admiral presented the crew of a British submarine with the gift of a reindeer. Not wanting to offend the admiral, the crew put the reindeer in their submarine and lived underwater with her for the next six weeks, until they returned home and she was given to a zoo. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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Now that is weird
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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The True Power of the Wolfram Alpha Knowledge Engine - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag...
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"With these three skills combined. There’s only one limitation; your own imagination. Wolfram Alpha shows us the future of search engines."
- Judah Richardson
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SQL is Dead. Long Live SQL! : Dataspora Blog - http://dataspora.com/blog...
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Mac or PC?
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Mac ofcourse (:
- Batu
kesinlikle Macintosh... (:
- sy
5900 $ için PC diyorum :D
- ozztrojen
5900 dolar benim yaşam kaliteme feda olsun... (:
- sy
That's such bullshit that they leave "upgradeable" off the Mac side. Of course you can upgrade a Mac. You can't do it indefinitely because new technology imposes ceilings that old designers didn't necessarily foresee, but yes, you can upgrade.
- Spidra Webster
Where's the PC from?
- Kevin Fox
Your question is redundant since a Mac is a PC...so your choice is between PC or PC. :)
- Alex Scoble
So are the Apple commercials, Alex. :P
- AJ Batac
Yep, which is why I have to make this point every time someone makes a post like this. Counter the stupid and nonsense marketing.
- Alex Scoble
The displays and added memory also make it a very skewed comparison (never buy extra memory from Apple). Compare base machines, and don't forget to show specs... there are bound to be other architectural differences. And yes, those Mac towers in particular are very upgradeable, with 4 drive bays, 8 memory slots, and 3 PCI slots aside from the graphics card. Oh, and 2 gigabit ethernet ports that I link using LACP to get a 2 gigabit connection.
- LogEx
It should read "Wintel vs. Mac"
- Chieze Okoye
I want to know where I can buy that PC. :) I'm a Mac guy but some of my new code requires windows.
- mikepk
Wintel vs Macintel, you mean. There's very little difference these days between a Mac branded PC and any other higher end PC.
- Alex Scoble
Actually, Wintel doesn't cover it, either, Alex, because there are other processor manufacturers for PCs now.
- Spidra Webster
What is the specific model/manufacturer of that PC? Intrigued.
- Itachi
Depends on what are you going to do with it. If you're going to use adobe products, get a Mac. If you're going to be gaming, and everything else can be done in the Windows PC.
- Alfredo
Oh Come On, everyone knows the price of aluminum is through the roof these days... ;)
- Joshua Schnell
The Mac Pro wins.
- Danny Minick
This comparison is of a computer with Intel proc and presumably Windows, therefore Wintel is fine. And Mac is the name that Apple has named their computer, so that is fine too. Alex, you're right that PC is too general of a phrase to use correctly, but Wintel vs Mac for this comparison already encodes all the necessary distinction -- you don't really need to add "Macintel" except to belabor your point.
- Chieze Okoye
I can vouch for the Mac Pro being the winner as that is what I'm typing from right now: running OS X with two Windows 7 VMs smoothly chugging along for development, testing, and general Windows goodness.
- Akiva Moskovitz
LOL!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
PC
- `aziz´ Alihan ÇETİN
PC 4ever !
- Farshad
Where can i buy that pc. Specifications are well when i compared its price :)))
- kardakayankardanadam
Mac ....
- johnpiercy
I'm a cheap bastard and a gamer. So there.
- Rodfather
I used to be a gamer ,, now Im a gomer
- johnpiercy
Wintel is so 1990's. Doesn't make sense if there's an AMD processor in there too.
- Rodfather
Rodfather says more clearly what I was saying upthread.
- Spidra Webster
The architecture is (essentially) the same. (Do most Windows machines have EFI instead of BIOS now?) It's Windows versus Mac on the x86 side. On the other hand, there are probably lots of Mac users who still own PPC Macs, so Mactel vs MacPPC is still a valid distinction.
- Victor Ganata
My memories of the 8-bit world are vague, but did people ever refer to Apple, Atari, Commodore, IBM, and Tandy computers as PCs, or was PC strictly an IBM thing?
- Victor Ganata
It was first IBM PC's. Like when they had the 8086 processor. Back then I just called them IBM's even if it wasn't made by them. Commodore's were PC's too but everyone just called them Commodores.
- Rodfather
Tandy's were 'different' though. So everyone called them Tandy's. They had the graphics edge and could run King's Quest with more colors :)
- Rodfather
Actually I don't think people really said PC (until the IBM PC was released) but I do seem to remember that people called them all personal computers.
- Victor Ganata
Hope the one on the left doesn't suddenly break down... At least they aren't flash mob dancing at the Genius Bar
- Johnny Worthington
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When like Compaq starting making computers, it was called IBM PC compatible. Everyone just called them IBM's anyway.
- Rodfather
Anyway, from what little I've seen, those LED Cinema Displays look totally worth it :)
- Victor Ganata
And from the specs given, the Mac is only $7,287 :P LIARS! :D
- Victor Ganata
"Wintel is so 1990's. Doesn't make sense if there's an AMD processor in there too." Ah, but Rodfather, there isn't an AMD in this comparison, so Wintel is fine. Maybe AMDows if AMD suits your fancy for a different comparison. In any case, it's just to get words that encode the distinction more accurately than PC vs Mac (even though the meaning is already clear enough, and this particular point all just boils down to prescriptive-linguist nitpicking).
- Chieze Okoye
I tried configuring a Dell server to similar specs, although I can't figure out how to customize it to get 2 quad-core CPUs, and the biggest screens they offer are 22". It comes out to $5,549 pre-discount, so I guess you still save about $1,500.
- Victor Ganata
Ah, I figured it out. It actually comes out to $7,079 pre-discount if you get a similarly spec'ed machine from Dell. So what I've learned here is that the only way to save a buttload of money is to build it myself.
- Victor Ganata
Wintel is like saying 'Cherry!' or 'Gnarley!' It's over dude.
- Rodfather
PC and PC running Mac OS. :D
- Josh Haley
Technically speaking, Josh, both PCs can run OS X. :)
- Alex Scoble
Apple makes the best hardware for running Windows 7. ;)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Is that not what I implied, Alex?
- Josh Haley
Wintel is redundant. It's not like Windows can run natively on any other architecture.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: It used to be able to. And it'd certainly be nice if MS started shipping for ARM.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
tough question:))
- Mehmet Ali Akyol
Chris, but how many people are still running NT on their DEC Alpha? Probably a lot less than the number of people who still run OS X on PPC hardware. :D
- Victor Ganata
I don't see how that price is even possible. Even buying used, a Xeon quad-core costs almost $500 each, and the cheapest motherboard I've seen that supports dual Xeons cost more than $200. You're telling me you can 12GB of RAM, a 1.5 TB hard drive, a 512 MB GeForce, two 24" displays, and Windows 7 64-bit for less than $200?!? Where is the van they're selling this stuff out of parked? :)
- Victor Ganata
Question should be with the same amount of money a new PC or a second hand Mac?
- Mahmood Padura
Victor: There are probably less people who ever ran NT on an Alpha, in total, then there are people still running OSX on PPC chips.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
This is nothing new.
- Will Higgins™
I think it's bogus. I don't think you can buy a machine with those specs for that cheap, even if you build it yourself, even if you're buying parts used, and even if you're pirating your copy of Windows 7. And if you can, please tell me where so I can get one :)
- Victor Ganata
Oops, I searched for the wrong Xeon quad core. The cheapest price I've seen for the Xeon Nehalem is $1,300 each.
- Victor Ganata
If the configuration on the left is accurate, I want to buy a few of those.
- Burcu Dogan
Teacher asks his math students to go home and either flip a coin 200 times and record the results, or fake 200 results. The following day he runs his eye over the homework and identifies nearly all those who faked their tosses. Here's how. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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Nice
- Christian (Simply X)
yep... Apple's different
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AAPL is very much about money as well.
- Itachi
If there wasn't a lot of money attached to changing the world I wonder how well it would work? :-)
- Todd Hoff
Yeah, I mean, let's be serious. They aren't saints.
- Chieze Okoye
Apple's about making profits through innovation. Not like other companies. Push some bullshit crap out the door, charge shit rates and turn in returns, that's every company on the planet except Apple.
- vijay
I would be more excited vijay if another element, Closed Systems, wasn't so forward.
- Todd Hoff
what's closed systems Todd? You mean the open/closed software systems?
- vijay
I mean stuff like how closed itunes and the iphone are. It's not just the carrier choice, the APIs are frustratingly limited.
- Todd Hoff
How about they change the world by making the iPhone platform free and open. Why can't I even use Flash on my iPhone?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
We should at least have read/write access to all the data that's on the phone and in itunes.
- Todd Hoff
I'm not a programmer so I don't know about APIs but I can answer why Carrier is closed. AT&T subsidizes iPhone in return for exclusivity. And iPhone has already opened up to other carriers in quite a few countries now.
- vijay
Lack of Flash on iPhone, and Lack of Multitasking BOTH have the same reason... iPhone has a non-removable battery unlike other devices.
- vijay
+1 Todd
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@vijay and why does it have a non-removeable battery?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
vijay, how are those features related to the battery?
- LogEx
Apple hates screws. Screws means movable parts and that means repair service. Plus it's ugly.
- vijay
Flash and Multitasking (apps run in the bg), eat battery like cake. That's why.
- vijay
@vijay Really? You mean they aren't innovative enough to figure out how to put in a removeable battery without screws??
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I mean moving parts. Not just screws.
- vijay
But a removable battery would take up more space, or be smaller and have less juice.
- LogEx
The Flash decision may be party energy consumption, but it's also political IMO.
- LogEx
Not political. Flash and the entire Adobe suite runs on macs. Actually Photoshop runs better on Macs than on anything else.
- vijay
True, but wireless is a whole new world, no reason to support a proprietary format that may eventually die off (especially if it gets helped to die off). The iPhone is the one platform that has enough leverage to obviate Flash.
- LogEx
what's the gain for apple there?
- vijay
The gain is not having to use, license, and depend on another company's proprietary format. HTML 5 & h.264 address 80% of the use cases.
- LogEx
Vijay, seriously, dude, step away from the Distortion Field. Apple is not the first company that succeeds through innovation nor will they be the last. They're not even the only one that does it now. Honestly, even back in the day when it was scraping it's way to dominance, Microsoft was awesome at taking disparate ideas and putting them together into something successful. Read "Good to...
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- Chieze Okoye
In fact, you could say that Dell is passionately driven and innovative in the field of assembly-lining computer manufacturing in order to cut their bottom line. Just because it's not in the realm of making stuff look pretty doesn't mean you can't innovate.
- Chieze Okoye
I've been using windows since 3.1 and DOS before that. I came to know of Apple only 3 years back. Distortion Field has nothing to do with this. The care and attention to detail in every single Apple product is absolutely astounding.
- vijay
LogEx license makes sense yes.
- vijay
What I'm saying is that your "Apple is different because they're passionate about what they do and are successful because of it" is a false comparison. Companies that become great all share the same type of passion for whatever it is they're doing (read: whatever it is they're focusing themselves at becoming the best at). It's basically a requirement. The only thing that differs is where that passion is directed.
- Chieze Okoye
we could be talking about the same thing then... MS is passionate about gaining Market Share through any means possible while Apple is passionate about making a difference.
- vijay
That's my other thing. Apple is not that altruistic (which, no offense, is where I think the RDF comes in). Their passion is directed at being the best of high-end, boutique computing. It's not about "changing the world" and "making a difference" (a la a charity organization).
- Chieze Okoye
iPhone 3G is just 99 bucks.
- vijay
And their cheapest laptop is $1,000.
- Chieze Okoye
which comes with multitouch and the best of industrial design(unibody is sexay) and OSX.
- vijay
exactly my point: "best of high-end, boutique computing"
- Chieze Okoye
Great points Chieze
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
iPhone + iPod Touch is also a platform. That is cheap.
- vijay
You're not including the development cost
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
development cost? for consumers ?
- vijay
Vijay, iPhone is most certainly not a cheap platform. iPhone is $500-$700 MSRP. Consumers don't see that, but they're still spending roughly $2,000 over the life of their two-year contracts. Smartphones are not cheap, doesn't matter how you cut it. $99 iPhone is great or whatever, but there is still a completely different strata of people (ie: those that can afford it) that can and do purchase an iPhone. iPhone 3G is not cross-shopped with a $99 moto on metroPCS.
- Chieze Okoye
iPod touch is a stronger argument, though it is still $200 minimum for a music player (I bought a music player off of woot.com for $10 (S+H included) once.
- Chieze Okoye
"Apple's about making profits through innovation. Not like other companies. Push some bullshit crap out the door, charge shit rates and turn in returns, that's every company on the planet except Apple. - vijay" Seriously? Yikes, you have had too much of the Kool-Aid or you sit on way more corporate boards than we understand.
- Kenton
all smartphones are not cheap so Apple is a high end boutique computing platform? no. iPhone is cheap getting cheaper(it started off at 600 bucks and is now 99) and people are buying it as well so I don't see how it is not affordable.
- vijay
or maybe you don't know much about apple Kenton
- vijay
Smartphones are not a cheap market. They are the almost the definition of a high-end computing platform. AAPL's dominance of that market is EXACTLY MY POINT. They want to be best at high-end computing, and iPhone is their successful strategy of doing that in mobile. It starting out at $600 is due to the fact that AT&T subsidized very little of it. Then they subsidized more when the...
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- Chieze Okoye
Uhh, yeah right. You work for Apple then? To say that every other company in the world only cares about making a quick buck off crap products is proof that you aren't thinking in an unbiased way. To start an argument with a statement like that immediately destroys any credibility you have.
- Kenton
The smartphone market is slowly but surely becoming more mainstream and less high-end, that is true, but that trend is world wide and is still a ways off from seeing completion. Smartphone usage is still probably in the single-digits of worldwide cellular usage because (here it comes) all that technology is actually still pretty expensive and high-end.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze, to keep it simple, Macs = high end price range of PCs, iPhone = low end price range of smartphones. Macs as High end boutique computing for PCs makes sense because you CAN get 'kinda' the same functionality for a lesser price. High end boutique computing for mobiles DOESN'T make sense cause you CANNOT get the same features for less.
- vijay
Kenton, I don't care about credibility in your eyes. If I have to prove my credibility each and every time I have one of these threads I'd be here forever. If the topic interests you do your own research else get out.
- vijay
They're not angels, Vijay. Take a look at this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol... talk of a company that benefitted and still does of the opensource community! (in simple words, they introduced a kind of protection that prevents you from using your ipod with any other app!) AND they sent a DMCA notice to someone who was trying to solve this!
- directeur
Wait, I can't get a phone that makes calls, checks voicemails, goes on the internet and runs applications for cheaper than the iPhone? That's news to me. I'm saying that smartphones themselves are already the high-end and boutique strata of THE ENTIRE MARKET FOR PHONES. That Apple made the smartphone that has dominated all smartphones for 2 years now is not surprising given that they want to be best at high-end computing.
- Chieze Okoye
directeur, iTunes closed model is 'cause of the Big 3 and their DRM. But since DRM is not there anymore I still have to have to think out the 'why'.
- vijay
Vijay, my point is that it is totally opinion on your part yet you say it and defend it like you have some omniscient knowledge that the rest of us don't. Apple builds some great products and they have different ways of looking at design and product manufacturing. You're doing a disservice to the millions of companies in the world that focus on making people's lives better and actually do it.
- Kenton
Vijay, dude, honestly, if you just step back a bit, and look at it from what's obviously true, you wouldn't have to think about the why. They want to sell high-end and boutique computing. That requires selling a complete experience from A to Z. That requires tight control of what does and doesn't happen on their stuff, hence the tight reins of iTunes. Honestly, it's not a bad thing to sell that type of experience with real panache as Apple does, which is why I find your resistance to the idea puzzling.
- Chieze Okoye
multitouch, app store, full web browser and so much more features. Not the same. My Japanese friend who get DOCOMO's latest phone has a browser alright, she has this to say --->- http://twitter.com/perfect...
- vijay
do you know why she uses dots instead of spaces in her tweets? --->-http://twitter.com/perfect... 'cause of her sucky phone.
- vijay
ROTFL. The only phone that is well engineered enough to let you type spaces is the iPhone?
- Kenton
vijay, as someone who believes in free sowftware. I HATE this kind of closeness. Moreover the DMCA notice does not apply in that case. So why did they sent it? http://www.eff.org/deeplin...
- directeur
* wherever relevant I'm trying to find links to give you a better view so my replies might take longer. Also the thread is slowing down a lot *
- vijay
While it didn't have multi-touch (and really why is this such an important innovation?). My first Blackberry Pearl had applications, a full web browser (Opera) and better email functionality than the iPhone will ever have. Oh, and it had a space key that worked too.
- Kenton
Kenton, my point being every phone that touts "ADVANCED WEB BROWSER AVAILABLE" is actually not the whole story. There are different and varied shortcomings on all these phones. Now I'm pretty sure anyone could have understood that without me having to type it out. Don't ignore the point of my comment just for the sake of arguing.
- vijay
"multitouch, app store, full web browser and so much more features. Not the same." This makes no sense. It's a phone. That's the core functionality and that is the basic market that it is in. All the other stuff you mention goes into making it high-end. That's like saying Mercedes E-Class and Toyota Echo aren't the same thing because of a laundry list of features. Yes, they are different in the sense that one's is higher-end version of the same thing: A CAR.
- Chieze Okoye
yeah multitouch is a revolution. And before the iPhone EVERY. SINGLE. SMARTPHONE came with a stylus. Apple changed that and proved people that your fingers work just fine, that the screen won't scratch. HUGE.
- vijay
"it's a phone"... you were talking about "computing platforms" Chieze. Smartphones come under that not phones.
- vijay
or they're a hybrid of both markets.
- Chieze Okoye
without "apps" how is it a computing platform?!
- vijay
Anyway, I think that I've made all the points that I can make on this topic.
- Chieze Okoye
"Wait, I can't get a phone that makes calls, checks voicemails, goes on the internet and ***runs applications*** for cheaper than the iPhone?" You're missing the forest for the trees.
- Chieze Okoye
PAUSE: Why does Steven Se(a)gal support Apple? Does Chuck Norris support Dell? :p
- directeur
"goes on the internet" is NOT the same as browsing on a smartphone. I've already proved that with actual complaints of a user. I've no idea why it is so hard to see this.
- vijay
"turning hard right at 50 MPH in an E-class is not the same as trying to do the same in an Echo"
- Chieze Okoye
so compare prices with phones that offer the same features then
- vijay
Back to the altruism thing. Why doesn't Apple give the phone away for free? Wouldn't that be the best thing for the people? The most altruistic thing for Apple to do? Wouldn't our connected world be so much better if we all had the best smartphone and apps and all at the swipe of two fingers? If Apple truly wasn't in it for the money they could also subsidise the rediculous charges we...
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- Kenton
sorry I couldn't the right image but here's how much of a change iPhone has made --->- http://bit.ly/3gpf6U That's the iPhone beating an actual camera in number of shots uploaded. That's the amount of change iPhone has brought in.
- vijay
"truly wasn't in it for the money " - already addressed in my first comment here " Apple's about making -profits through innovation-."
- vijay
Nope. They are a consumer electronics company. They contribute to e-waste in the world. That's not making the world a better place.
- Rodfather
*pops more popcorn*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Rod humans poop. That's not making the world a better place now is it? Maybe this would be better... Apple makes the world a better place for "people"
- vijay
Rodfather: You're a carbon-based life form. You convert oxygen to carbon dioxide, aiding global warming. Is it therefore valid for me to dismiss you as a polluter and ignore what other contributions you may give to the world?
- Kevin Fox
Well, ya, humans are like a virus to the world too.
- Rodfather
Has the unibody Mac actually made the world a better place for people?
- Kenton
Less waste and less repairs due to lack of moving parts so yes in a small way. What's next Kenton? Is it gonna be "does the apple logo make the world a better place too?".
- vijay
btw, for people who hate fanboys and automatically assume anyone talking positive about macs as a "fanboy" and then turn themselves into "anti-fanboys".. I've come across Apple fanboys too, see this thread ---->- http://bit.ly/1KYGwY ( click on "show hidden threads" )
- vijay
@vijay: Apple products may be better choice for a selected group of fans. For my needs, Apple products don't offer better value (more like the opposite). So, it's matter of taste what things are important and which company is the best for each.
- Jemm
it's a matter of taste only for people who have very specific requirements Jemm, not for normal folks. Like no matter how much innovation Apple pumps into iPhone I know my linux friends over here won't touch it with a stick.. why? Just because it's not open. THERE, it is a matter of taste. For regular users it's a combo of features + UI/UX + cost.
- vijay
Vijay, you say everything Apple does is about innovation so ultimately, I guess I would have to ask that question. It is likely more productive, though, for me to just say I disagree with your assertion.
- Kenton
yeah yeah, go ahead Kenton. It's not like I'm earning money from getting people to agree with me.
- vijay
ZOMG Someone's wrong on the internet!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
:D
- vijay
I would have to say that the market has proven your formula for regular users should be - cost+combo of features + UI/UX. Apple products appeal to those who follow combo of features + UI/UX + cost
- Kenton
Apple products appeal to a lot of people because they innovate. End of Story.
- vijay
Vijay, I'd argue it's more than that though. Plenty of companies innovate, Apple does something different. They tightly control the experience. It's a double edged sword for them, since it's also the source of their biggest weakness.
- mikepk
Mike, like I said to Alphaxion ... http://friendfeed-media.com/612df62... depends on how you define "innovation". Is innovation something simple removing the "text labels" next to the icon" or is "innovation" a game changer like the iPod or iPhone? Apple belongs to the latter category of innovation imo.
- vijay
let me confuse you even more guys! I'm a life-long windows user who loves apple but supports "open"! ---->- http://bit.ly/451tVV
- vijay
with this I'm off to bed. Thanks you guys for participating. Appreciate it. : ) EDIT: Mike, you're right. Nothing new about the tech in them. But UI/UX is what makes such a huge change. The Digital Music Revolution happened 'cause for the first time you could browse 1000 songs on your iPod without going nuts. No matter how game changing the tech is there's no point if you can't use it.
- vijay
But here's the really interesting part. Depending on your definition of innovation (technical innovation) there was nothing new about the tech in either the iphone or ipod. What they engineered though, was the end to end experience of those devices. I think the success of those devices is at least 80% due to the user experience (esp if you count 'cool' into it, but even 'cool' doesn't play as large a part as people often say). It's a holistic kind of innovation.
- mikepk
g'night
- mikepk
comments are not closed. I NEVER close comments. If you got more to discuss do keep going I'll reply in the morn.
- vijay
PC-World just published TCO for Droid, Pre, iPhone. http://www.pcworld.com/article... iPhone was by far the most expensive.
- Kenton
Kenton, I just looked at the article, looks like the prices were flawed originally and have been updated with newer Verizon pricing. Droid turns out more expensive (at least according to their logic). Lots of angry comments about how the author didn't check the Verizon smartphone pricing.
- mikepk
what Mike said. And Kenton... when I said iPhone 3G is 99 bucks only why did you assume I said "3GS"? 3G NOT 3GS, I said 3G NOT 3GS. I reapeated that 3 times so it can get through the thick illogical ati-apple sentiment hanging in your head. anything eh? anything, no matter how clunky the argument is, anything to take away credit from Apple eh Kenton? Open your mind up a little more.
- vijay
Besides, the whole "high end boutique computing" thing started by Chieze is flawed. That's like saying cars have not really changed human transportation 'cuz a large % of people can only afford bicycles and can't even dream of getting a car. Get this... smartphones are changing mobile computing and the one that brought it on and still continues to spur themselves AND their competition and the ENTIRE industry as a whole is Apple.
- vijay
Anyone who still has doubts about how much Apple has changed the mobile computing Industry, take a look at this ---->- http://bit.ly/s4jXC yep. EVERY. SINGLE. SMARTPHONE that you see in ads today, be it the dream or the droid or the Pre, were all the product of the change brought about by Apple. This is why Apple is a "game-changer", the entire industry has undergone a change for the better.
- vijay
While I enjoy my iPhone very deeply, I feel that one of Apple's biggest problems is that they now seem less interested in changing the game than in simply maintaining it. To be sure, there's very little incentive for them to fix what isn't broken, but my hope is that with others now stepping up to become serious competitors in the smartphone market, Apple will be forced to try a little harder. They make a fantastic product, but stronger competition may cause them to get even better.
- Noah Belson
Apple's different from other companies in that they are proactive than reactive. The common complaint when people say innovation on iPhone has stalled is lack of multitasking and flash which people expect Apple to include but as long as iPhone has a non-removable battery they won't be adding it in. Competition is always good, yes. I myself want the Pre for my next phone --->- http://bit.ly/2Z0yRi
- vijay
Interesting, I didn't know the battery was the reason they don't allow multi-tasking or a flash. Why is that? Are they worried that people will kill their batteries long before they're meant to die for good?
- Noah Belson
aye. with removable batteries suppose say in the middle of the trip your battery runs out you can swap it with the standby with other smartphones but since iPhone battery cannot be swapped out by the user ,running apps in the bg (mutltitasking) and flash would eat away the juice leaving a dead phone until you recharge it again.
- vijay
So they're just worried about people not understanding how quickly they'll run down their batteries by multitasking and using the camera flash. I guess that makes sense, but still, I'd rather they just allow it and let ME worry about how quickly the battery dies. Carring an extra charger in my car would be a small price to pay to be able to multitask without jailbreaking.
- Noah Belson
The entire business model of a closed system is to make more money.
- Michael W. May
Exactly Michael. Take away their profits and Apple's wheels come to a screeching halt just like every other business.
- Mattb4rd
Like I said in my first comment in here Apple's about "profits through innovation" not just profits by hook or crook like other companies. Hence this post.
- vijay
And it seems Todd said what I wanted, only better :)
- Michael W. May
how does it affect the fact that iPod has changed the entire music industry and the iPhone has changed the entire mobile computing industry?
- vijay
Apple hasn't changed much in the mobile market. It's share in both is still minuscule. For mobile stats: http://www.mobileisgood.com/statist... It's mp3/media player stats are much dominate, that I do not argue. None of that changes that fact that Apple is in business for profit. Whatever secondary guidelines of changing the world they follow, the primary and overriding is profit....
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- Michael W. May
my comment from above: " Anyone who still has doubts about how much Apple has changed the mobile computing Industry, take a look at this ---->- http://bit.ly/s4jXC yep. EVERY. SINGLE. SMARTPHONE that you see in ads today, be it the dream or the droid or the Pre, were all the product of the change brought about by Apple. This is why Apple is a "game-changer", the entire industry has undergone a change for the better. "
- vijay
again, Apple is "profit though innovation" not "profit by any shitty ploy we can think up". That's why they are the best company on the planet.
- vijay
"mp3/media player stats" it's not about their media player stats. Apple for the first time created an environment where people can carry a 1000 songs in their pocket. For the first time customers can buy JUST ONE SONG from an album than the WHOLE album. These two reasons combined laid the foundation for the digital music revolution paving the way for all the digital music stores like...
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- vijay
How did go about doing that? I don't deny any of that. But to ignore the amount of profit and lack of responsibility Apple's practices in digital music (remember non-drm'd mp3s only happened just this year) and the app store is to ignore that they are in many ways just as bad as any other company, in some ways worse. They didn't move to non-dmr'd music until forced. The profit they make...
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- Michael W. May
"they didn't move to non drm'd music"... wrong info. It was not apple's choice but the BIG 3 who had their say in that. The same thing happens on the iPhone where AT&T dictates the terms so Apple cannot allow any app that creates data overloading of AT&T's network.
- vijay
all the people whining about the app store restrictions shouldn't be... Steve clearly laid them out when they launched the app store --->- http://bit.ly/3hAnZ1
- vijay
And the inconsistencies with the app store approval, later revoking, later reinstating, etc, since? And what is wrong about the /fact/ they did not move to non-drm'd catalogue until forced to this year?
- Michael W. May
moving to non-drm is not Apple's choice. it's the record companies who make the choice. Apple sells the music under licensing terms with the record companies.
- vijay
app store has over 100000 apps now and the apps are rejected based on if it contains certain keywords in them. Once the dev reaches out and clarifies or adapts the app with the proper rating it is re-instated. It works just like any other "approval process".
- vijay
music drm related thread --->- http://friendfeed.com/jokeyxe...
- vijay
The Free Market catches on to "shitty ploys" rather quickly. Do you harbor such disdain for the marketplace that you doubt saavy consumerism? If so, Washington might be interested.
- Mattb4rd
Luckily Apple relies more on programmed consumerism than savvy consumerism. That guarantees a huge ROI with every product they sell and while I genuinely believe that some of their products are the best on the market, I'm not quite willing to back every play they make. I'd like my purchases to be based on what I want, not what a company tells me I need.
- Noah Belson
I have to add though that there are simply a few products that Apple cannot be touched on, such as the iphone. I did my research, tried several different things and found Apple to make the best product. If someone comes along and does better I'll jump ship (probably) but for my money it just makes sense to go with the best product. Doesn't mean I like all of Apple's products or policies but the bottom line is that if they make a truly great product- I'm there.
- Noah Belson
All of the programming in the world doesn't matter if the product is shitty. Apple makes good widgets. If they didn't, they would not be relevant. When they cure cancer, then I will jump on the "World Changer" business model bandwagon. Until then, they make good gadgets and we're [the market] willing to pay for them. It is not magic.
- Mattb4rd
Well yeah, I'd have to agree that they haven't quite earned the title of "world changer." Seems like that's mostly PR drummed by overzealous fans. Ultimately they're not doing anything that several other companies aren't also doing. They make some excellent products but the business of changing the world is best left to those who can do it without needing to sell us any electronics.
- Noah Belson
It's also a philosophy thing. As a user who is not interested in an outside party limiting my options, I went Android on my phone with the G1 when it came out, despite the iPhone being more polished since it had more development time behind it. I know the GooglyPhone will lag for a bit, but I'm happy to support the OSS. And as a PC user, I've been very happy with the lifetime and...
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- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Yeah, I can't see myself ponying up that kind of dough for laptop or desktop, not when the technology is outdated so quickly and rapidly improving so often. In terms of the iphone though, I'm less interested in availablity to 3rd party options than I am in the best and biggest apps and right now those are really only available for the iphone. And given the market share the iphone has captured- I can't see that changing anytime soon.
- Noah Belson
NEWS FLASH!! the world is not made of ONLY DISEASED PEOPLE! The lives of normal people count. The "world" includes EVERYONE not just CANCER patients. Life is made of different facets each having room for improvement and innovation. When people hang onto something and use it everyday for most of their activities as with a mobile phone, and a company makes a monumental leap in the way...
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- vijay
" But everyone else - especially when talking phones - is catching up" That is why it is called a "game changer". The entire industry as a whole changes to keep up. Just like how the iPod revolutionized music and just how iPhone is revolutionizing the mobile industry. Companies are now giving their UI NAMES! Sony calles their upcoming UI "Rachael" and HTC calls theirs "Sense". Can you...
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- vijay
my comment from above: " Anyone who still has doubts about how much Apple has changed the mobile computing Industry, take a look at this ---->- http://bit.ly/s4jXC yep. EVERY. SINGLE. SMARTPHONE that you see in ads today, be it the dream or the droid or the Pre, were all the product of the change brought about by Apple. This is why Apple is a "game-changer", the entire industry has undergone a change for the better. "
- vijay
Apple may have changed the smartphone industry but come on, they've hardly changed the world. The iPhone is not the cotton gin or movable type. Apple helps drive innovation, but in terms of actually changing the world, they're a drop in the bucket, if even. They make a great product, but let's keep things in perspective here. They're in business and their business has nothing to do with improving the world. That may be their mission statement or something but their goal is our money, first and foremost.
- Noah Belson
"drop in the bucket" is subjective. The graphs I linked to are not.
- vijay
All those graphs do is indicate how frequently certain keywords are being searched on. I'm not at all sure how that translates into "world changing." Keywords like "hannah montana" and "grandma sex" are highly searched on, but no one's thanking Miley Cyrus or sexy grandmas for changing the world, etc. Again- perspective. Apple has changed YOUR world, not THE world.
- Noah Belson
That's only cause you're reading the graphs wrong. Before the iPhone launch the search terms are "0" and after that it's been an accelerating trend upwards. That's the point. That is the change... the shift from "0" to "greater than 0". celebrities are people and smartphones are devices. People pay to watch other people on TV but how many people spend time watching a tv show about...
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- vijay
If you don't think the iPhone is the "celebrity" of the gadget world then I'm not sure what else there is to discuss here. Keyword trending is a popularity contest, plain and simple. The fact that people are searching on Apple keywords means very little in the greater scheme of things. And it has zero to do with changing our world or making it a better place. Apple products are what's for lunch right now and keyword searches are simply the menu.
- Noah Belson
before the end of today, 11 million people from across the planet will be visiting this page --->- http://bit.ly/3EnXJb Do you see an iPhone there? iPhone is a device, Celebrities are news. Calling iPhone the "celebrity" means squat because the people doing these searches don't think that way when they do these searches. They search for news and thus celebs have higher volume. That's all.
- vijay
from my comment above: "when people hang onto something and use it everyday for most of their activities as with a mobile phone, and a company makes a monumental leap in the way people use these everyday device, raising the bar and making the ENTIRE industry as a whole adapt to that change, the world has indeed changed."
- vijay
from my comment above: " Life is made of different facets each having room for improvement and innovation." Changing the world is not "mutually exclusive". When something as ubiquitous and often used by people as a mobile device undergoes a change, that is huge.
- vijay
the last few comments I've been talking only about the mobile device, but then Apple has done that again with the iPods.
- vijay
* i spoke too soon *
- vijay
Apple doesn't change the world, their fanboys may think so though. Apple knows how to market and they do it very well. Their products are nowhere near revolutionary as people make them out to be as they usually lack features that already exist. What they do well is get people excited about something shinny and clean looking with a brand people admire and it obviously works. I like shinny & clean but I like openness, full featured and cheaper much better.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Again, it's about the people who are using these devices. You think people like you and me make up the majority of the planet? Not hardly. We have freedoms and indulgences that many people couldn't begin to dream of. This why again I say that while Apple has absolutely changed the smartphone industry, they've done very little to change "the world." They make fantastic products but come, let's keep things in perspective. They're in the money making business, not the world changing business.
- Noah Belson
yeah Mark, before the iPods came out there were more "full featured" devices on the market with HDDs and lots of storage space. People got the iPod 'cause that UI is the only one that let people browse through a 1000 songs without losing their mind. No matter how much features a device has, it's all about usability. That's why you can see the iPhone beating a full featured cam in number...
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- vijay
"They're in the money making business, not the world changing business. " already addressed in my first comment > " Apple's about making -profits through innovation-."
- vijay
the people who keep saying it's all "features, features, features" must fantasize about women who have an elephant's trunk(longest nose on the planet! that's a feature!) and cheetah's legs(fastest legs! feature!) with a Falcon's wings(flight! feature!). As for me, I like the normal human female with nose shorter than a trunk, with legs not as powerful as a cheetah's and without wings. It's not about the best features, it's the blend of features and beauty(for humans, that would be -usability- for devices).
- vijay
Women with elephants' trunk? *Homer drool*
- Jemm
=P
- vijay
Excellent thread. Kudos.
- Mattb4rd
Vijay, btw, you misrepresented what I said. I'm saying that Apple isn't in this to change the world and make a difference. They're in it to be the best at high-end computing because that's what they 1) have a passion for 2) can do better than anyone else and 3) can earn the most money doing. The change they bring to the world of technology isn't the point. It's an after effect of the...
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- Chieze Okoye
There are plenty of companies and organizations out there with the actual mission to "change the world" and "make a difference," as their explicit goal, though. Apple most definitely does not number among them.
- Chieze Okoye
Simply because there is change in the industry in question from one company's actions (which no one is disputing with you, btw) does not mean that that change was why the company took those actions. Going back to the automotive analogy, Mercedes (or Ferrari or whomever) is not in the game explicitly to change the landscape of personal transportation for the better. They're in it to be...
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- Chieze Okoye
Honestly, you really should read "Good to Great" by Jim Collins. I can't emphasize it enough for this topic. It jives really well with the discussion (at least in that it shows you that passion to do something well and using technology as a means to that end is not a unique trait to one company).
- Chieze Okoye
Good point Chieze. Apple has the "Hedgehog Concept" down, but what will become of it when it loses its level 5 leader?
- Mattb4rd
COOKIE! - Google.com - http://www.google.com/
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This just might be my favorite Google logo ever. :D
- Dan Hsiao
Cute!
- Anne Bouey
do you have to turn off Google Social Search to see these logos?
- Adam Kazwell
Adam - i believe so. If you are running a google experiment like Google Social Search it does not show these logos.
- Atul Arora
Agree. This is the best Google doodle ever!
- Jess Lee
OM NOM NOM NOM!
- Gabe
cookie is the best - then ernie then elmo
- Allen Stern
Cookie Monster was my favorite when I was a kid, and the grouch. :D
- Anne Cossette
This is great.
- Christopher Chung
Startup Advice: Find Underserved Markets - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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Fans, Quinn lose as Browns stick with Anderson - http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl...
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For every moment they keep Anderson as their starting quarterback after Sunday’s 31-3 loss to Green Bay, the Browns are stealing money from fans and trading losses for millions.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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What, does Quinn not get paid if he doesn't start?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Oh wow, that's exactly the case. If they actually play Quinn they'll owe him $11M. Great time to be a sports fan! "Thanks to salary escalators in Quinn’s deal, he would stand to earn nearly an additional $11 million in salary in 2010 and 2011 if he plays at least 70 percent of the offensive snaps this season. But with each Anderson start, Quinn gets further and further from earning that...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yup, pretty sly aren't they?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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Petabytes on a budget: How to build cheap cloud storage - http://blog.backblaze.com/2009...
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"At Backblaze, we provide unlimited storage to our customers for only $5 per month, so we had to figure out how to store hundreds of petabytes of customer data in a reliable, scalable way—and keep our costs low. After looking at several overpriced commercial solutions, we decided to build our own custom Backblaze Storage Pods: 67 terabyte 4U servers for $7,867. In this post, we’ll share how to make one of these storage pods, and you’re welcome to use this design. Our hope is that by sharing, others can benefit and, ultimately, refine this concept and send improvements back to us. Evolving and lowering costs is critical to our continuing success at Backblaze."
- April Russo (app103)
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That's really cool.
- Jordan Hofker
Interesting post by @pkedrosky: Farming as the next big thing in investing. http://paul.kedrosky.com/archive... Food production is "stuff that matters"
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What an irony. We spent a century developing farm land and making sure farming as an occupation didn't have as much cache as, say, software development. NOW, as Phoenix struggles with the real estate recession that came from too many houses on that old farm land, we figure out that food is important? Nice.
- Francine Hardaway
Smile Please! Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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- Matt Pfefferle
IO
- RAPatton
End the University as We Know It - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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"If American higher education is to thrive in the 21st century, colleges and universities, like Wall Street and Detroit, must be rigorously regulated and completely restructured. The long process to make higher learning more agile, adaptive and imaginative can begin with six major steps:" -Professor Mark C. Taylor, Columbia University
- DeWitt Clinton
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I studied under Professor Taylor when he taught at Williams, and he has been talking about the future of education for a long, long time. A very smart man who excels at offering prognoses that people don't want to hear.
- DeWitt Clinton
I think that expecting professors to vote against tenure is like expecting AIG management to vote against bonuses. Not going to happen.
- Piaw Na
Or unions to vote against pensions and pay raises.
- DeWitt Clinton
Linux laptops look to phone stores and Web for distribution - http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so...
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"Microsoft’s strategy for fighting off Linux laptops, which are Netbooks powered by Ubuntu or Android, seems clear. Keep them out of retail distribution."
- Neal Jansons
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fuckers... Linux needs to be in stores, people we be like wow, whats that, something new...
- Kyle Weller
Android Isn't a Phone OS Because in the Future There Will Be No Phones - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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"T-Mobile is working on plans to build several devices that run Google's Android operating system but can't really be considered phones, according to internal documents secured by the New York Times this weekend. The revelation appears to provide more evidence to the argument that Android isn't really a mobile phone's operating system because in the future there won't be devices thought of as phones."
- Neal Jansons
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OMFG - Australian Government DOES SOMETHING CLEVER AND SENSIBLE - 100mb FIBRE TO THE HOME - THANK THE DIETY OF YOUR CHOICE!!!
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Get Glue - http://www.getglue.com
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trying this out now...
- Zee.
Sign-up is frustrating.
- Russellreno
It has potential as a one stop post to multiple accounts.
- Russellreno
just tried this out & looks really interesting - worth giving a shot guys.
- Zee.
Maybe it's Friday, but I am getting Soc Net fatigue... yet another me-too aggregator?
- Sally Church
no no - not really like that. honestly.It's not a friendfeed or anything like that.
- Zee.
When I try to post from Flickr to FF it tells me I need to use the Remote Key but there is no place to input it.
- Russellreno
not for me, interesting concept and I'm sure some will love it but I don't care for the setup/intro, I've got some privacy concerns and I'm jealous about my screen real estate.
- Keith - @tsudo
Tried it out. It looks promising. I need a bigger monitor though or my 2nd one at the office. :) Recommended.
- AJ Batac
I wish it had a hide/close button or setting for the huge bar at the top of each pages. Sigh!
- AJ Batac
lucky for me, i have a 40 incher! :) Screen that is...
- Zee.
OMG Zee!!!! I didn't read the last part! :P
- AJ Batac
:)
- Zee.
This definitely has promise and I really like the UI / beginning tutorial.
- grag
so, is this sort of like blue organizer then? semantic bookmarking etc?
- Trent Olson
bumped due to duplicate - please search before posting guys and bump up previous posts
- Zee.
Hi everyone, Fraser from AdaptiveBlue here - the group behind Glue. If you have any questions please let me know, I'm happy to answer anything and everything. If you want to read a great review about the product here's one from Wired's WebMonkey blog. They have an excellent line that saves me from having to describe what the service does: "Glue is the single most useful social networking tool I’ve encountered and using it is actually much simpler than describing what it does." http://bit.ly/GlueWired
- Fraser
new version just been released
- Zee.
xkcd - A Webcomic - Not Enough Work - http://xkcd.com/554/
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Gopher!!
- Bwana ☠
Haiku-compliant??? Hmmmmmm ....
- Steven Perez
One day I'm going to write all my documentation in various forms of poetry.
- Nine
Git as a Data Store in Python (and Ruby) - http://github.com/blog...
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Git as a feature
- Deepak Singh
mmm nice - working some stuff up at the moment and that will be very useful
- Cameron Neylon
That is cool
- Michael Barton
My Favorite Bullcrap User Comment Of The Week - http://www.davidrisley.com/2008...
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Well, DO you have a Nautical port behind?
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