He was also liberal, and progressive. Although, not in exactly the same way those terms are used today. But he did fight the established order of his time. - Nathaniel Payne
Except that he wasn't a 'community organizer'. You can, however, say that Paul of Tarsus was one. - Akiva Moskovitz
Jesus brought together a group of people who joined him on a crusade to change the world. If that isn't a community organizer, I don't know what is. Maybe he was mayor. They have more responsibility, you know. - Nathaniel Payne
He sought an earmark for a bridge over the Sea of Galilee, but canceled it when he realized he could just walk right across. - Nathaniel Payne
Christianity didn't start until after Jesus died; he had nothing to do with it. It was Peter and Paul that actually turned it into a religion. Jesus was just a radical Essene Rabbi. - Akiva Moskovitz
Reminds of the movie Hamlet 2 I just saw (my gf says it's funnier if you were in high school drama) - Chris Lamprecht
Akiva's closer to pegging it than the original quote. Jesus didn't handle much of the organization tasks, even for his own circle of disciples. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: So he was good at delegation? Akiva: Who mentioned Christianity? I'm talking about the man and his life, not the later global repercussions. - Kevin Fox
Akiva: that's about as accurate as saying "Judaism didn't start until after Moses died; he had nothing to do with it. It was Joshua and Samuel that actually turned it into a religion. Moses was just a used car salesman without a lot." - Mark Trapp
Oh, well, in that case, that quote is even more wrong. - Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, this creepy faith-based stuff has been around a long time. ;) - Jay Tannenbaum
From http://www.nycahn.org/communit...: "Community organizing is a long-term approach where the people affected by an issue are supported in identifying problems and taking action to achieve solutions. The organizer challenges those he or she works with to change the way things are—it is a means of achieving social change through collective action by changing the balance of power." Yup, that sounds exactly like Jesus. Just read John 2:13-16. - Rob Reed
Mark Trapp, except that's a hell of a lot more words than I used with a hell of a lot more subtext. It's also wildly inaccurate as Moses did found a religion (although not really by choice) and, as far as I remember, Jesus didn't have any interest in creating a new religion. If I recall correctly, Paul of Tarsus didn't get the ball rolling until some 50 years later. - Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: You're proving my point. Jesus was trying to foster social change through the grassroots, but wasn't trying to create a religion. The *last* thing I'm trying to say is that community organizers (Obama or others) are trying to proselytize into an organized religion or overthrow the status quo. Rather they're trying to help people at the community level, and that acting to better your community shouldn't be disdained or belittled. Politics is already seen as the vacuum of altruism. - Kevin Fox
I just ate a mango. Where's Sean for our lecture on Judaism? - Jay Tannenbaum
Ghandi was probably a good community organizer, too - Mark Dykeman
Akiva, you're belaboring a woefully ignorant understanding of early Christianity that isn't supported by any documentation we have of that time. St. Paul was converted, as most historians agree, circa AD 36, 3 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. Paul, prior to his conversion, was persecuting those spreading the Gospel (indicating that there were religious missions pre-dating Paul). He immediately worked with James and Peter (Apostles of Christ who knew Him personally) before starting his own mission shortly thereafter. Most of our primary sources from Paul are dated 48-55 AD, 15 years after the crucifixion. - Mark Trapp
Akiva, In fact, the Gospel according to Mark is dated as early as 70 AD, only 40 years after the death of Jesus. In all four gospels, Jesus rejects the covenant God has with Abraham, Isaac, and Israel and supplants it with a new everlasting covenant. Josephus, the only independent historian contemporary of Jesus, confirms that Jesus wasn't a Rabbi, but preaching a new religion. Jesus was, by all accounts, preaching a new covenant, not a modification of the old. You know not what you speak. - Mark Trapp
Mark, I appreciate the information; it's been a long time since I've read up on Early Christianity. However, your final statement was an unnecessary punctuation on an otherwise well-appreciated mini-education on something I have never, ever claimed expertise in. I do appreciate you correcting where I was wrong but there was no need for that closing remark. - Akiva Moskovitz
And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he said, “Rabbi, what is it?” (Luke 7:40)
A lawyer asked him a question to test him: “Rabbi, what is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” (Matthew 22:35-36)
And behold, a [rich] man came up to him and said, “Rabbi, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?” (Matthew 19:16)
And someone in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, order my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” (Luke 12:13)
And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Rabbi, rebuke your disciples.” (Luke 19:39)
Some of the Sadducees came up to him…and they asked him, saying, “Rabbi….” (Luke 20:27-28) - Jay Tannenbaum
Akiva, you made a completely inaccurate claim about Christianity with a level of conviction conveying a statement of fact, then pressed the issue when I pointed out that it was inaccurate. As I know you can appreciate, as I've seen you mention it before on FriendFeed, misrepresentations of one's religious beliefs only serves to frustrate those who believe and alienate those who don't. - Mark Trapp
Akiva, going back to my original comment: obviously it's offensive to you to have someone just come in and say Moses didn't really have anything to do with Judaism and was of a completely different profession. It's just as offensive to hear from someone, as you're now saying, who isn't well versed in the literature make a statement of fact that is completely contradictory to everything a Christian knows and believes. - Mark Trapp
I think a rabbi in those days (and these days) was a learned man, a teacher -- as the text itself reflects. He was certainly both. - Jay Tannenbaum
Jay: in most other English translations, it's translated as "teacher," not Rabbi, as it would be an equivocation to assume Jesus was of the Rabbinical tradition. Just because Rabbi literally means teacher doesn't infer that teacher means Rabbi. I don't really get it. Do you see any of the Christians here waxing intellectual about Judaism? How do you not see this as offensive? - Mark Trapp
Didn't Jesus' "community" willingly give him up to the Romans? - Sprague D
Oh, and honestly: what does whether or not Jesus started the religion have to do with Kevin's point? I don't get how that was considered a method of refutation to what Kevin is suggesting. - Mark Trapp
Mark: As you can see from my comment. I think we agree. No waxing. Jesus is all yours. Sorry. - Jay Tannenbaum
Mark, calm down. I was simply wrong about something and was gracious when corrected. If you're offended, that's your problem. I write and speak with conviction. That's just how I am. If there was any conviction in my tone here, it's because I thought I was right about something. I wasn't. I'm fine with that. No need to continue to be an ass about it especially when I've already expressed appreciation for having been corrected. - Akiva Moskovitz
@Mark: It's all a moot point, anyway, as Jesus wasn't running for President. He might make a good president, but I don't think even the most fervent Obama supporters claim he has the power to work miracles (which might give Jesus the edge over your typical community organizer). - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Okay, 'ass' is too strong of a word. You're not being an ass. Overly defensive and offended, perhaps. But you're not being an ass. I apologize for that. - Akiva Moskovitz
Mark, I think a lot of people would've been asking if America was ready for a Muslim president, by virtue of him coming from Galilee. Even if it pre-dated Islam by 600 years. Akiva, I think you hit two hot points for me, and I went off, for which I apologize. The first of course is the misrepresentation of Christianity, but the second is the tendency in social media for people to say things strongly and forcefully first, then do a "mea culpa, I didn't really know" when corrected. That's just the way a lot of people are: usually I take it in stride, but the two combined really hit a nerve. It's not really personal, I like you, so again I apologize for going at you like such. - Mark Trapp
If Jesus was a community organizer, he didn't do a very good job of it. His community didn't seem to take kindly to what he was trying to do (which is mostly teaching). - Glen Campbell
Seriously, Ghandi... community organizer... good example, right? - Mark Dykeman
@Rizzin - it seems Jesus was close to being a political ruler. That one of the reasons why he was crucified. - Joel
Most coveted job title on Earth right now, huh? So, now you're on the squad, what's the minimum bribe to get you gushing forth to the guys on the merits of being able to tag our own (or each others) posts? - Slippy Lane
Congratulations!! Smart move by FriendFeed. :) - felix
"Brian Rakowski walks to the whiteboard in a small conference room in Building 41 on Google's Mountain View campus. A lanky, gregarious man in his twenties, Rakowski is the product manager of a top-secret project that's been under way for more than two years." - Bret Taylor via Bookmarklet
Congrats on the great article, Brian. - Bret Taylor
@john: alleyinsider is the last source i will trust as to whether it is going or not going to happen. But, really, as @slippy says, choice FTW! The rest will just pan out. - Ashwin Bharambe
That picture is great. It looks like a band photo. - Andrew Burd
Internets are the new rock'n'roll, Andrew, didn't you hear? - Slippy Lane
The photographer, Joe Pugliese, has a great website: http://www.joepug.com/ In fact it's so great I haven't got round to reading the Wired article yet - Adewale Oshineye
Enjoyable read except for this completely bizarre paragraph -- "Not long after that, Brin and Page came by to check in on the furtive beginnings of their browser. "I remember sitting at my desk, which at the time had a stuffed snake running along the back of it," says Pam Greene, an engineer on the team. "Sergey was bouncing on one of those exercise balls, watching Darin give a demo, and petting the snake." - Osi
"The snake, called Mr. Bigglesworth, seemed to purr softly in Sergey's lap, providing a calming influence during the demo. However, when one of the tabs crashed, taking the browser with it, Sergey's voice took a more strident turn. "I have gathered here before me the world's best developers," Sergey began, "and yet each of you has failed to kill Internet Explorer. That makes me angry. And when Sergey gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset. And when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, people die!" - Karim
Sergey then pressed a nearby console button that retracted Darin's chair into the floor below. A flash of flame could be seen as the screaming developer vanished from the conference room. - Karim
Somebody help me!" Darin pleads. "I'm alive, only very badly burned!" This proves to be very distracting, and after being interrupted several times, Sergey picks up his phone, and reports the situation to a henchman. "I'll go deal with it," he assures Sergey. "If someone opens the retrieval hatch, I can get out," Darin explains. At this point, the hatch opens. Darin is at first grateful, but then a gunshot is heard. - Geoff Longman
After a pause, Sergey is satisfied Darin is dead and attempts to continue explaining his plan, only be interrupted by Darin again, who says indignantly "you shot me! You shot me right in the arm! Why did you-". Darin sentence is cut short by a second gunshot, which proves to be the end for him, as the hatch is heard to close. (http://www.moviedeaths.com/aus...) - Geoff Longman
Google’s Chrome is aimed at Windows, not IE
This is no longer about browser but about the an entire marketplace spread between desktop, mobile and web. With Chrome, Google’s taking a shot at Windows, not paltry Internet Explorer
I’ve covered this in more detail on my blog
http://sachendra.wordpress.com... - Sachendra
The point of Chrome is the same point one would make about the iPhone. Will iPhone outsell Nokia worlwide in total number of phones sold? Not a chance in hell! Has it changed the face of mobile phones forever...absolutely. This is where I think Chrome is a fantastic concept. By open sourcing D8 Google has literally empowered every other browser including Safari and Firefox to be Windows beaters. In actual fact IE may even implemented their own canibalised V8 to canibalise their Microsofts existing fat client business. If you ask me, Google is the master of judo in this case. google 2 MSFT 0 - John Kotsaftis via feedalizr
I haven't been able to find many details about the V8 design, but it's apparently a straight JIT (no interpreter) with inline caching of property accessors. I didn't see anything about HotSpot/TraceMonkey-style optimizing compilation, and it doesn't seem to use any intermediate language. (http://code.google.com/apis/v8...) Is this the future of dynamic language runtimes? Am I a nerd? - Jim Norris
Nice to see Wired putting out a great article in a timely manner for a change - rather than spend page upon page talking about minor internet celebs and how they gatecrashed gawker media parties to build their fame. - Jonathan Beckett
Jim, tracemonkey should still be faster. Paul friendfeeded an article comparing them. I should say that tracemonkey will still be faster eventually, unless V8 adds hotspot-like tracing as well, in which case, my money would ride on V8, since Google probably has half of the hotspot team :) - Sanjeev Singh
"A bus stop that grows its own foliage as shade? A children’s playground, made entirely from trees? A shelter made from living tree roots that could provide natural protection against earthquakes in California?" - Gabe Schaffer via Bookmarklet
I love the one on the bridge of the enterprise!! - Rachel L Fisher
"Jo then made an entrance to the sound of Glenn Miller’s Moonlight Serenade and the touching ceremony went off without a hitch." Without a hitch? So, wait, they DIDN'T get married? - Stephen Mack
You should get there first and check in. - Braden Kowitz
I'm suspicious. Why is he using your email address? Unless they're just sending it to the address they already have on file (not realizing it's a different Kevin Fox). You should call and make sure they have the "right" Hyatt rewards number (yours). - Cyrus Lendvay
He's using kevin.fox@gmail.com, an email I don't use, but which I have. Sometimes it's a hotel, sometimes a UPS package, sometimes a conference registration. I don't think it's nefarious, just that he probably has a similar email address but forgets... - Kevin Fox
Maybe he couldn't get kevin.fox@gmail.com and so went for something very close (kevin.foxx maybe) and always forgets? - Benjamin Golub
you should hire a local to leave him a bag of $#it at the front desk. - Dustin
Ben: That's what I suspect. Dustin: Why? I don't harbor him any ill will. I just want him to know he's using my email address by mistake. - Kevin Fox
Better, you should leave him flowers with a note letting him know he's using the wrong email address. - Cyrus Lendvay
I'm sorry, I guess I'm just a little too fresh off of my recent Ebay scam where I was ousted $800 and a lens. - Dustin
Is his address in some of these reservations? At worst you could send SnailMail[tm], an ancient communication type which uses a very inefficient, but generally reliable transport mechanism. If the message is of considerable size, just be sure it's using the African Swallow transport rather than the European. - George Saj
This is happening to me too! There's another Jeanette who continually uses my email address for online purchases. I get her order confirmations all the time. Boy does she buy some crazy stuff... - Jeanette Martinez
This is happening to me too! There's another Kevin Fox who has taken control of my gmail account, and is sending me flowers at every hotel I visit. - Amit Patel
I got an email receipt for another Keith P. the other day for a book on eugenics and nazis and stuff. Oy. - Keith Pelczarski
+1 as well. My notes were from his circle of friends, and I even found the guy due to another address. When his friends still did it a year later, I created filters to reply back to them all with the same note then delete it from gmail. It's gotta be a little confusing to the sender to get it right back... with FW: on it. - Jason Silverstein