Chronicles the adventures of Prince Esterhazy, a rabbit who goes to Berlin to find a bride and witnesses the destruction of the Berlin Wall.
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Self Generated Content from Flickr Downtown Houston,Tx JPMorgan Chase Tower, Dallas, TX Empire State Building, NYC, NY Paris, France This has come to be known as the "Escher Effect", named after M.C. Escher, an artist who made pictures sometimes with optical illusions inspired by contradictions in perspective. Escher's illustrations of structures with impossible angles had the exact same "feel" as the image above, and... [Reposted from phreak20 via deinneuerfreund]
Quite interesting, some valid points. But after all of this, one question nags at me, Marshall. Who is "Punkin' the Tabby Kitten"? Or are you saying that there's a specific tabby kitten you're fond of punking?
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
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Great post Marshall! Hearkens me back to even deeper feminist thinking about representation itself as a gendered practice...making meaning has largely been a "male" endeavor, and yet, meaning has never been completely contained nor controlled by the masculine. As the commenter above alludes to in his intentional (mis)reading of novels, making meaning can flow outside the machines that...
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- Nate Angell
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Excellent post Marshall. Thanks for shedding light on this because I never really thought about it in terms of the development of the Semantic Web. This is an important issue and the work of Corinna Bath matters to ensure these discussions take place as the Semantic Web develops. The example of the phone book is a great example of gender bias as is the examples provided by Cecily...
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- Miiko Mentz
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@mediachick's fantastic StumbleUpon summary of this post: mediaChick71 - "So is it a boy or a girl?" As the best brains in the tech industry take us from html markups to a semantic web, one woman is making the rounds to remind them that gender assumptions have no place in domain knowledge. Corinna Bath is an academic researcher from Austria who brings up some critical issues about...
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- Marshall Kirkpatrick
On a more serious side... www.Cosmopolitan.com was most probably built by men, on software coded by men. Possibly fat, bald, geek men. Could you tell? I think this is a very good post only because it is thought provoking and brings a fresh perspective on the table, but the question itself is quite pointless. C'mon. Genre is determined by genes and is relevant to sexuality. I don't see...
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- Aldo Bucchi
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What a load of blather. Male geeks aren't very good at thinking like non-male non-geeks - this is not news. But declaring dramatically in this way that "the Semantic Web may end up being gender biased" is making a storm in a teacup. The phone book "example" is clearly not relevant to today's situation. By the way, regarding the phrase "Some argue that..." sorry, but over on Wikipedia we call those weasel words.
- hex
Also, from the linked interview: "Alison Adam analyzed the well-known ontology CYC... She revealed that the knowing subject implicitly assumed by the system is a white, middle-class male professional." Oh really. Check out this excerpt of a review of where she said it: http://muse.jhu.edu/login...
- hex
In fact, Google Books has a preview of Adam's book. (http://books.google.co.uk/books...) Quote: "...the AI idea of search and goal seeking... harks back to Aristotelian notions of goals, and can also be seen in terms of the phallocentric urge to a unitary goal described by postmodernist thought." Give me a break!
- hex
I couldn't disagree more with the article :) but i'm months late. is it worth grumbling at this late date?
- Dan Brickley
"How do TechCrunch stories make it to Digg's front page so often? With a little help from its friends, of course. Former TechCrunch writer Duncan Riley, now a foe of editor Michael Arrington, posted a screenshot from his inbox revealing what Riley calls "The TechCrunch Digg Club." It includes four writers from TechCrunch proper; seven from gadgets blog CrunchGear; two from TechCrunchIT, Arrington's incomprehensible enterprise-tech spinoff; plus two or three interns."
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
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Holy crap! If that is true and diggs team knows that, I think techcrunch url maybe banned/punished.
- k00pa
No, TechCrunch URL certainly won't be banned, no way, really. We have been banned once and I know it does not happen to sites like TC.
- Svetlana Gladkova
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I wonder if Kevin will ban TechCrunch for a few days to get some hype for Digg? He definitely will get some PR out of this! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
you can actually buy diggs -- i 4get the website but you pay $20 plus 1$ per digg.
- john conroy
@john: Really? You mean you really-really can buy diggs? That's an amazing surprise to me!
- Svetlana Gladkova
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gregory: It's just that I've seen tons of places and people trying to sell diggs. But it is just so obvious that all these patterns are penalized that I am surprised anyone still bothers.
- Svetlana Gladkova
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i happen to submit there stuff to digg, but thats b/c i like it. interesting stuff, will look into it.
- Leximo
This should be no surprise, all the big players are starting to do this. Chicago Tribune employs a Digg spam force.
- John Wesley
@John - shouldn't it mean social bookmarking is on its sunset boulevard?
- Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno - Donato: that is a very interesting metaphor
- NoahDavidSimon
Wie soeben aus den USA mitgeteilt wurde, blockieren die entlassenen, aufgebrachten Mitarbeiter der Bank Lehman Brothers die Zufahrt zum Firmengelände, um somit auf ihre problematische Situation aufmerksam zu machen!
I am working with Pepsi as part of my job with Edelman Digital. We are thrilled to be assisting with this endeavor. In the future, PR agencies will need to step from behind the scenes and openly participate in social media with clients when appropriate. How do you feel about that?
- Steve Rubel
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As a community marketing person (As well as a cola addict) it's inevitable, and fine as long as there is openess and transparency.
- Badger Gravling
Incidentally, how do we square away Pepsi wanting 2 way social conversation on Friendfeed with a big hyperlink in the intro to the Terms and Conditions for Pepsi's own site? Does this mean that this outpost on Friendfeed is Pepsi territory now they've invaded?
- Badger Gravling
Excellent move - will be very interested to see how this excercise develops.
- Jon Mulholland
Dear Pepsi, could you be more specific about your "comment moderation" policies? I would be tempted to invest my time/attention here but not sure where you place limits of the conversation. I am not talking about trolls or profanity, but rather your readiness to hand out brand definition to users. Far from being naively optimistic here, ... but surprise me if you can.
- Mindaugas Dagys
I would have agree with Steh Godin's take (http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...) on Pepsis new logo. Namely: "So, when Pepsi and BestBuy start 'testing' logos, and proclaiming that a new logo might change their market share, I get nervous. You can't test a logo any more than you can test a first name. /.../ I guess the punchline is: take the time and...
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- Margus Palu
@Mindaugas Dagys -- our comment moderation will be limited to removing profanity or personal attacks. Also, we will monitor the room for common themes and try to address them as they pop up. .
- Bart Casabona
Nice to be able to have a conversation here about the new branding effort. Just got my nice Pepsi Cooler package and am posting photos up on Flickr. Really liked the retrospective look at previous brand images. I'm curious to know what you're hoping to get out of the influencer campaign, versus traditional media. Especially since I'm a devoted Diet Coke drinker!
- Charlene Li
Got my Pepsi Cooler package as well. Maybe I will use the iPhone for photos ;-) Steve Rubel - we have a discussion at Conversation Agent about PR agencies participating, as you probably know. Curious as well about the goal behind new logo...
- Valeria Maltoni
I'm a huge fan of FriendFeed and it community, so I'm glad it was chosen as Pepsi's first step towards engaging in Social Media. It's also nice to see Pepsi employees participating and exciting to feel like I'm part of the new branding campaign. :)
- Mona Nomura
Steve, why do "PR Agencies" need to participate? The value I see is when companies designate customer service reps to actively listen on friendfeed or twitter and step in and say, "I'm sorry you are having a problem with Brand X. We'd like to rectify that by giving you a replacement/refunding your money/improving our product." When PR gets involved it feels very false to me.
- Laura Norvig
they are clearly going after Obama's market. McCain supporters should stop drinking Pepsi.
- Morgan Warstler
@Valeria I will check out your post, thanks!
- Steve Rubel
@Laura PR works best when it's the eyes/ears of a company, not just the mouth. We have more work to do as an industry but we're coming along!
- Steve Rubel
Do I get some money for "Liking" this? No? Ahh, so what is in it for me to tell my friends about commercial rooms?
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble No money, but I believe that the relative speed and openness of this room is what Naked Conversations was all about, no? Consider this for a moment - you and I are conversing openly in my client's room. That's new, for PR.
- Steve Rubel
@Charlene Li - Hopefully we get a great story to tell about how we turned a devote Diet C--- drinker into a Diet Pepsi fan. Seriously, this is not a outreach campaign meant to drive placements or impressions but to engage in what we hope to be a continuing dialogue with influencers on how we should participate in this space.
- B. Bonin Bough
I'm still wondering how applicable terms and conditions from Pepsi's own site are to a conversation/room on Friendfeed? We're not in Kansas any more!
- Badger Gravling
@Cheryl Smithem Thanks to you and your son for commenting. We believe a big piece of this space is around transparency which is why we rolled this out the way we did. This is exactly the type of feedback we were hoping for.
- Josh Karpf
@Badger Gravling This is our first step into this space and how we approach terms and conditions will evolve. Please continue to point out key issues and better examples that we can use as reference moving forward.
- Josh Karpf
@Josh Karpf No problem - not only do I work in social media, but it's for a large company (Bauer Media), so I'm aware of the need to evolve from a sound starting point, legal or otherwise - a Terms and Conditions would be fine, assuming more is needed than any applicable to Friendfeed anyway, but perhaps one written and aimed at Friendfeed users, rather than one that appears as if Pepsi have come and claimed this corner as their own?
- Badger Gravling
I think you'd gain some credibility by linking to some of the negative reviews about the new branding that you've had over the last few days.
- Ben Rowe
@Ben Rowe Thanks Ben. Totally fair point. There certainly is no shortage of feedback.
- Josh Karpf
I think transparency is always a good thing - it's brave, it's honest and it wins loyalty whereas "wizard behind the curtain" PR tactics always feel vaguely manipulative at best (speaking as a PR flak myself). I'm curious to see how this evolves. Thanks for stepping out into this and inviting us along!
- Katie Adams
@Steve - but why do *you* need to be here? if they are engaging us directly, what exactly is your role?
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy As a strategist on the Pepsi account, I would be here regardless - reading, moderating, advising, etc. So rather than be clandestine about it, Pepsi thought we should be open. Now that I am here, though, what role do you think I should play?
- Steve Rubel
@Jeremy I have to say Steve was very cautious at first, for good reason, but we were very clear that all of our agency partners will be identified and participatory.
- B. Bonin Bough
@Steve honestly, without a clear understanding of what Pepsi actually wants to get out of this, I can't answer that.. all i can say is having "the PR guy" around and actively participating makes me feel like this is just a "we paid our way into social media" effort. pls note - while i know we've disagreed on things before, this has nothing to do with you personally..
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy we want this kind of feedback (and I recognize it's not personal). I will let Pepsi speak for themselves on their goals. I am really here as an observer and to facilitate.
- Steve Rubel
@Jeremy I don't think it's really function specifc; PR/Marketing/Sales. It is shared space. He is our partner on this and while it's a little different from how other companies are approaching..we are thrilled to have him front and center.
- Josh Karpf
@Jeremey Our objective is to open a place where we can have dialogue around social media strategies. In addition to participating in other spaces we are dedicated to making this place have meaning to the FriendFeed community.
- B. Bonin Bough
@B. Bonin Bough “...how we turned a devote Diet C--- drinker into a Diet Pepsi fan.” As someone who lives this brand, a new logo/package design won’t do that. Never has. I’ve been drinking Pepsi for nearly four decades and for one reason only—taste. Everything from that point forward starts from there. Not that it’s always a requirement, but how many people tapped ahead of time were...
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- mtlb
(FriendFeed character limits doesn’t really facilitate conversation that well.) Anyway, Google “Pepsi’ and ‘social media’ or ‘new logo’ and gauge the responses. (While it’s easy to be mislead by the number of mentions, really listen to what’s being said. The classic PR mantra “Well, at least people are talking about it” only flies if you’re Paris Hilton.)
- mtlb
Surprised this isn't tied into a Twitter account. The ability to see and push shorter comments to Twitter would bring more people into this room. Friendfeed conversations don't get noticed too easily from outside.
- Brian Carter
I would love to see this on Twitter! I love the new look and I would love to see one up close and personal and to share this with my readers - I am the Editor in Chief of Kitten Lounge http://kittenlounge.onsugar.com and although this is a great site to post this, I agree with others that you're really going to have to use various Social Networks to get the word out as many people don't know about this and don't use FriendFeed. This should be on Twitter without a doubt!
- Kimmie
Of course you can do it w/o Twitter, but business and jobs are about relationships and networking. Twitter/FB/blogs etc. enable me to have meaningful conversations with significantly more people. It's crazy. Was thinking about it the other day. I spent the whole day in my office (working on a client deliverable), had 5 phone calls, but commented on anywhere from 50-100...
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- Jeremy Epstein
I do it to continue learning - there isn't a faster way of reading and learning about developments in an organisation's relevant industry!
- Zoe Lavender
fun of course! and the craving for connectingness, sharing - same stuff i crave offline, though there are a few things like smell, feel and tangible physical stuffness that's simply wonderful. as a knowledge worker though, it makes things way more fun and enlightening. Off to go play/work.
- Morgan Sully