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Top 10 Tips for Getting Attention on Flickr, All Fresh and New for 2008 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Good article. I guess you've got to work smart to get noticed on Flickr.
- Adam Christie
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks for digging my article Aaron! :) http://digg.com/arts_cu...
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here's another good summary of nearly everything the community knows about the Explore algorithm: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
such a great post Thomas, thanks for writing it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Good stuff. Worked for me: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Demetri Mouratis
Das Profilbildshooting und die Outtakes - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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"aber ich seh vor allen dingen die bilder" WTF? das ist n fake, keine ernstgemeinte t-werbung, oder?
- march
Haha, klar ist das ein Fake. Das ist ein Prof aus meinem alten Fachbereich, der wohl bei einem Studentenprojekt mitgemacht hat.
- Johannes Kleske
ah, danke. dann bin ich beruhigt ;-)
- march
iPhone TV-Spot Werbung / Commercial T-Mobile Apple - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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The 10 Best Things About the New Adobe Lightroom 2.0 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Not sure if I want to upgrade right away or not. Love the selective processing feature, that's probably worth it alone. How is the healing brush and cropping different from the previous version? Seems to be the same to me.
- Andre Maltais
Thomas Hawk was RAVING about Lightroom 2.0 to me. Can't wait to see what he does with it.
- Robert Scoble
okay, time to take another look at Lightroom.
- Chuq Von Rospach
Thanks Thomas!
- jcunwired
Thomas, great writeup. Looking forward to hearing your comments once you've been using LR for a little while. Glad to hear you converted finally! I've been using LR for about 2 years and can't imagine going back to the old way. You will find many more great features as you continue to use it. One of my favorites is the ability to sync settings selectively between two or more photos. Streamlines editing if you have a bunch of shots all done in the same light or with similar exposure.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've been using Lightroom exclusively for my RAW processing for a year now and am excited to move up to the upgrade. Mainly for localized settings. The healing brush has been in earlier releases, FYI.
- Jeremy Hall
I use Lightroom since v1.0 right from the start and today switched from 1.4 to 2.0 after using 2.0 Beta already and desperately waiting for the release. Just love it. It is a dream. I just hope that the departure of Mark Hamburg from Adobe does not do any harm to further development of the product.
- Ulrich Hilger
My old processing workflow involved using Adobe's Camera RAW in Bridge to do 95% of my work and then a remaining 5% or so in Photoshop to do spot healing, sharpening, burning and dodging etc. Now I can do all of this within Lightroom without every having to go to Photoshop. The keywording enhancements and *especially* the spot RAW processing will significantly improve my workflow.
- Thomas Hawk
Jauder, I did not notice any appreciable speed improvements with this version of Lightroom. That said, this is the first version to support 64 bit processing and I think that if you have a 64 bit system that this should represent a big jump in performance.
- Thomas Hawk
Great writeup. I've still been using the included Canon software for RAW image processing that came with my DSLR, but was considering a new tool. Looks like plenty of good reasons to look at Lightroom!
- Kevin C. Tofel
I'm particularly interested in custom color profiles, which has been a problem that I have not been able to resolve. Shades of red, pink and lavender have never been accurate.
- jcunwired
Jody, I haven't tried out the custom color profile for the Canon 5D yet, but I did like the colors that I got better natively from Adobe on this upgrade.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm an Aperture user at the moment, but I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Aperture 2 v. Lightroom 2 comparisons. If only because I'm always looking for an excuse to play with new toys.
- James (@willia4)
Non-destructive local adjustments and gradient filters are REALLY cool. NAPP video learning centre here http://www.photoshopuser.com/lightro...
- Andrew Smith
It kind of irks me this product is not included in Photoshop CS3 Extended or any of their Creative Suites. Not even Master Collection.
- Andrew Smith
Thomas, Going from a 32 to a 64 bit application will have little or no impact on the speed of the application. It only allows the application to address more memory. Going to an application that can use multiple processors would show a significant speed improvement. I do not believe Lightroom was written to support multi processors.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Lightroom is very tempting, but I'm not sure I can justify the premium over ACR (which comes as part of the $89 Photoshop Elements)
- Andy Roth
good point Jeff. I haven't done any work with 64 bit processors yet but I know that sometimes when my photo processing gets bogged down it's because I've got too many apps open at once. I'd assume with more memory you'd get less of this sort of behavior. Potentially.
- Thomas Hawk
I used to use PhotoShop all the time. When LR2.0 Beta came out I decided to give it a try and have never looked back. It is by far the best processing tool I have used for images. It has improved my workflow tenfold. The presets are great, the healing and cloning brushes work well and the vignette control is fantastic. I find the speed to be pretty good. I can't wait to purchase this. I am happy to pay the price for this software.
- Tom Quinn
Jeff is incorrect. 64-bit CPU processing can have an impact on performance. And it has nothing to do with multiple processors. Lots of variables, but it can impact performance -- though he's correct in that it may not matter in the case of Lightroom.
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
Let me just add one comment - Adobe Online store sucks big time. I live in Bermuda, which does not have an Adobe Online store, so I tried purchasing from Adobe US Store. No dice unless I have a US Billing address. Get this - I have to call a *toll number* and try to purchase that way. I can order stuff from Amazon with a Bermuda billing address without issues. Adobe needs to wake up to global e-commerce...
- Tom Quinn
@Peter you are correct that a 64 bit OS can have a positive impact on performance compared to a 32 bit version, but in real life application, the performance improvement is fairly small. Here are two articles, one PC and one Mac oriented that discuss the variables and show some test data. http://www.smartcomputing.com/editori... http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Oh, so I call the number and it is no longer in service. So I call customer service and they cannot take my order, and can't tell me how to get it from Adobe (due to shipping contracts, even though I only want the download). Eventually they tell me to order from CDW, which is a joke because it does not sell LR2 yet.
- Tom Quinn
Would this app be good for a photo noob like me or should I stick with gimp or something like photo elements?
- Dylan McIntosh
from fftogo
I wish work and sleep would stop getting in my way so I can play with LR2. :(
- Squid
Two words: adjustment brush. *genuflects*
- cecily
OK, this goes on the shopping list. Wow.
- Chris Baskind
Dylan, Adobe let's you download any of their fully functional applications to try out for 30 days free. Why not try it out to see if you like it. If you do, all you do is pay on their web site for a software key and keep using it. If not you can uninstall it after the 30 days are up. Depends on your work flow, but it seems like if you are using Gimp or Photoshop now, Lightroom might just work for you also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Squid, I hear you! I'm trying to catch up on all of the LR2 articles and watch the Kelby videos to learn how to best use the new features. I uninstalled my beta copy of 2.0 but haven't had time to install the 2.0 upgrade that I bought last night. Still have 1.4.1 installed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Good writeup, Thomas. Some of the features you mention have been in Lightroom since the beginning (Healing Brush and Crop/Rotate tool) but if you're coming from Camera Raw they're new.
- Ole Begemann
One bad thing about Lightroom: US price = $ 299.00 (€192.048), EU price = € 298.80??!... I know this ain't an exclusive of Adobe but someone's earning a few bucks with this "bogus exchange rate", because its not like my copy is shipped directly from the US...
- João Almeida
Has/How/Why tech blogging has failed you - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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A Change in Perspective - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Last Fm stellt auf Deinen Geschmack zugeschnittene MP3s als Podcast zur Verfügung. Findest Du hier : http://beta.lastfm.de/home...
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T-Mobile und das iPhone - Verkackt - http://tautoko.info/2008...
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Du hast so recht. und wenn Du mit den telekomikern fertig bist, kannst Du gleich mit apples sim-/netlocking weitermachen ...
- march
Würde das sim-/netlocking auch eher bei T-Mobile und den anderen Mobilfunkanbietern ansiedeln als bei Apple.
- Johannes Kleske
In der Schweiz gibt es auch so eine Firma und die nennt sich Swisscom (auch ehemaliger Monopolist)
- Benjamin Kohler
Du hast vollkommen Recht mit Deinem Artikel. Die Upgrade-Konditionen sind wirklich ein Schlag ins Gesicht für alle Upgradewilligen. Das macht die Marke T-Mobile für viele noch unsympathischer. - Aus Mangel an alternativen Anbietern werde ich aber die Möglichkeit nutzen, meinem Bruder mein iPhone zu geben und mir ein neues holen. So ist uns beiden geholfen. Er bekommt eins für umsonst und Complete-S, und ich ein 3G. - Trotzdem: Die Unzufriedenheit gegenüber T-Mobile bleibt!
- Thomas Stark
Ich bin ja schon seit 1997 T-Mobile-Kunde und kann nichts Negatives sagen (mache auch nicht jeden Hype um $KomischerAnbieterMitLustigemNamen um einen Kaffee im Monat zu sparen mit), aber die Upgrade-Konditionen finde ich schon etwas arg abgeschmackt. Die von Johannes beobachtete grundsätzliche T-Abneigung finde ich aber erstaunlich und ungerechtfertigt, ist halt ein Handy-Provider und damit ein Fruchtgetränkekontor wie jeder andere auch.
- Ralf G.
Die Swisscom in der Schweiz machts etwas besser. Die Marke Swisscom ist auch nicht so negativ besetzt, wie Telekom in Deutschland. Bei einem Marktanteil von über 80% haben es die Konkurrenten von Swisscom Mobile, Orange und Sunrise, auch schwer. Dennoch: Als meines Wissens einziges Land liefert Apple das iPhone an Orange UND an Swisscom Mobile.
- Ansgar Wollnik
"Fruchtgetränkekontor" - danke, danke, danke!
- Konstantin Klein
How to Win Friends and Influence People - A Guide to Commenting on Other People’s Photos - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Beautiful B/W Photography - Killer Stuff ;) - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008...
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Super! Ich liebe s/w-Fotos. Und die auf der Seite sind wirklich klasse! :)
- Thomas Stark
Wow! Werde ich mir später mal genauer reinziehen.
- Daniel Pietzsch
Ja. schon, die sind echt gut ... Hab ihr den Feed von der Gruppe schon gesehen ? Glaub das macht Sinn, oder ? Was denkt Ihr ?
- Martin Gommel
Klasse Bilder. Sehr inspirierend.
- Sven
Freedom, OS X Networking Freedom Software - http://www.ibiblio.org/fred...
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Simples Tool, mit dem man den Internetzugang auf dem Mac für eine bestimmte Zeit sperren kann, um ablenkungsfrei arbeiten zu können.
- Johannes Kleske
from Mento
Absolut geiles Teil - das hat mir schon viele Stunden Arbeit gerettet ;)
- Martin Gommel
Super Idee :) - Gut, man könnte ja auch selber das wlan deaktivieren, den Stecker ziehen oder die UMTS-Karte entfernen... Aber wer macht das schon ;)
- Thomas Stark
Genau das Richtige, wenn man Diplomarbeit schreibt. ;-)
- Daniel Pietzsch
bitte nich meiner freundin verraten ;)
- andylenz
Paul Pott - Telekom - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Werbung haben sie drauf - das muss man ihnen lassen ;) Für mich einer der besten TV Spotts ever!
- Dieter Schwarz
tja, so ist das internetz. was hat das mit der telekom zu tun?
- march
das ist der neue Telekom Werbespot?
- Dieter Schwarz
und was hat paul potts mit der Telekom am hut? Nischt rein, gar nischt. Die Werbung ist Quatsch!
- Mathias Penz
danke, @mathias. wenigstens Du verstehst mich ;-)
- march
seit wann hat denn der inhalt einer werbung was mit dem unternehmen zu tun? *lol*
- Dieter Schwarz
Als ich den Spot gestern sah, meinte ich zu meiner Freundin, das sei bestimmt Vodafone. :-)
- Ronald
wir sind viele: http://off-the-record.de/2008... [siehe auch kommentare ...]
- march
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Pixar's "Presto" short (as seen before "WALL-E") - http://videolog.uol.com.br/video...
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The new standard for meetings and conferences - http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
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Die Zeiten von vorgelesenen Skripten und Bulletpoint-Folien bei Konferenzen sind vorbei.
- Johannes Kleske
from Mento
Schön wärs! Ich glaube da noch nicht so recht dran. Die Gedanken von Seth Godin sind zweifellos gut, aber woher all die talentierten Redner für wirklich gute Live-Meetings nehmen? Und kann man wichtige Dinge nicht auch online regeln bzw. besprechen?
- Matthias Schwenk
Hmm - kein Wort von virtuellen Welten in seinem Post - da fehlt doch was!
- Sebastian Küpers
naja, also wichtige Dinge sind wahrscheinlich besser zu besprechen, wenn man sich gegenüber sitzt. Aber für Kleinigkeiten und langweilige Vorlese-Präsentationen muss man sich wirklich nicht treffen. Ich bin froh in solch einer Firma zu arbeiten (auch wenn's als Student nur Teilzeit ist). Ich kann von zu Hause aus arbeiten und man trifft sich nur im Büro um kompliziertere Dinge zu besprechen, die nicht per Skype/ICQ erledigt werden können.
- Daniel Pietzsch
@Benjamin: ja, klar. war von mir etwas undeutlich geschrieben. sorry. wollte nur sagen, dass auch "wichtige" Meetings wohl erstmal nicht durch Videokonferenzen ersetzt werden. Ich bin vollkommen d'accord mit Seths Post. :-)
- Daniel Pietzsch
@Sebastian: Oder auch nicht... ;-)
- Johannes Kleske
mit die coolste startseite einer WebApp, ever: http://www.themattinator.com/
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