I reshare this to Ideas & Inspiration room :) These are so realistic!
- Kristian Salonen
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
you cannot win on the interwebs. draw some crap it doesn't get noticed. draw something amazing in pencil and people say it's not real.
- Joe Breen
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
Actually, you have been through most of the northern states--we drove cross country when you were 3 months old from Pittsburgh PA to California.
- Sheila Taylor
iTunes Home Sharing is simply awesome. I'm using it right now to copy/sync all my music to my new laptop and it's working great. It's exactly how I've wanted iTunes to share all along.
How is this different from sharing the library the way it used to work? Or is this more useful for when you want to disconnect the network and still have access to all the music?
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: exactly. It works like the transfer purchases feature on iPods and iPhones: you don't have to be connected to the home network to play them, because the files are copied to your computer.
- Mark Trapp
Wait, you can finally use the songs you buy on more than one computer without having to jump through hoops? My boss would've loved this feature five years ago. Explaining DRM to him was not fun, he just wanted his $1 songs to be playable on all of his PCs.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Ben, the main advantage is that you can set it to automatically sync the libraries so that a copy of new purchases is on both computers. I'm just using it to copy my whole library to a new computer.
- Ross Miller
So is it possible for me and my wife to share music, on each of our computers, bought on different accounts, before and after we have gotten married?
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus: I doubt it. This feature, and all the features in the iTunes/iPod/iPhone ecosystem, only allow one active account.
- Mark Trapp
and of files you haven't aquired via itunes?
- alphaxion
But you can activate more than one account in Itunes... I have mine + my wife's two accounts authorized. But yeah it's probably going to be another case of having to still do it manually
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Alphaxion, it just copies them over like any purchases from iTunes. When you open the home sharing center, there's a view to 'only see songs that are not on this computer'. You just select which songs you want to copy and hit import.
- Ross Miller
On a related note, something I've been wondering about recently is the best way to share a library between two Windows user accounts on the same machine. Seems silly to sync them when the files are on the same machine, but I'd like new purchases to appear automatically. Is that possible somehow?
- Tony Ruscoe
from iPhone
Tony, I think you can do that by changing the 'iTunes Media folder location' to be the same destination. Just choose which /Music/iTunes you want to use and set them both to that one. You can change the location from the Advanced tab in Preferences.
- Ross Miller
Thanks. I think I'll have to try that. I did wonder about doing that but wasn't sure whether that would just copy the files to the same folder, leaving the libraries out of sync though.
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
"...wanna give you the job, the chance for overtime."
- Josh Haley
"At this point, often in part due to favorable feedback from the service's authors, the early adopter feels a sense of entitlement, that the product absolutely must be architected in the way they say so, even if to move in that direction wouldn't serve the larger installed base. Now, instead of suggesting quick ways the service could update, the calls are more like ultimatums, and if not quickly seeing a response, the early adopter can get extremely frustrated, at times, seeing this annoyance bubble up to the same degree their first comments on the product reeked of praise."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
I get the feeling the Robert has jumped the shark a little bit here. I hope he apologizes to Kevin for his uncalled for ad hominem.
- Brian Sullivan
This is great, but I think it ALSO applies to less than diplomatic responses from early adopters that I go back to Twitter, ha. I don't take it personally, but your point is a nice reminder that it is not about me.
- Liza
Ever since I posted this, I'm self-aware about potentially slipping from a 3 to a 4, so I think twice about posting criticism without knowing the deciding factors.
- Louis Gray
I for one am appreciative of evangelists especially ones that are willing to reevaluate their perspective, tech or otherwise.
- Eric Logan
I feel entitled to type in this box and push the button named "comment." Sorry, I thought that was what FriendFeed was designed for.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't know that entitlement is the right word. For me, at least, it's more frustration. Here you have this great product. I want more people to know about it, but I'm having issues, be it my tech, user error or just loss of features, it's frustrating. If I'm having these issues, then there's no way I'll be able to explain to my friends and family why things are why they are. When you...
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- Admiral Anika
One point to the one above. I know that many companies who offer free service will or should charge for use at some point. I'm okay with that, but when they mess with functionality it's hard to justify paying for it. When your users are asking for the same thing over and over again, especially when you're in beta, don't give them a useless feature that offers nothing much to usability. At that point, it's hard to justify the ongoing use of something, let alone paying for it in the future.
- Admiral Anika
Is it entitlement or ownership? People support what they help build, right? So maybe it is partly a sense of ownership...
- Liza
Great conversation thread... Rule #1 if you do not own it, then do not falsely allow yourself to believe your vote will ever - or should ever - count. Sometimes the developers listen to your sound words of device, but in my humble findings often this waxes and wanes. Rule #2 is that step 5 is your alternative. Rule #3 is always see Rule #1 when you begin to think your opinion matters ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Robert. No harm, no foul. :) I'm just glad I wrote this one already last year, so I don't have to do it again.
- Louis Gray
its a pretty graph and perhaps it is true, i have experienced it myself through mmos, beta testing, but did you actually have numbers or is this just instinct?
- Robert Higgins
By the way, I'm ACTIVELY still in the promotion phase. I'm showing FriendFeed to EVERYONE as everyone I met in Boulder last week can attest to. That's one thing that Louis' graph doesn't understand. I go through all of these phases IN PARALLEL. Not serially. So, deal with it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The graph is simple. People are not simple. :) The downside to acting like a #4 is dorks looking for an excuse tend to use it as an excuse. Just wait. (Not even Scoble likes FriendFeed any more... he says... "x") So don't give the bastards any ammo. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis what is the oldest service that you still use that you didn't migrate from and why?
- Robert Higgins
Interestingly, those seeking to distill life into simplistic terms can be dangerous. Like those dorks who spout off non-sensical rules ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I do think it is used as ammo, which stinks, b/c a discussion we should have (UI on FF) becomes a territorial battle. There were great points made, but also a lot of juvenile comments which I hope are ignored. As I learned in my first online attack, "don't feed the trolls". They are everywhere and not unique to specific networks.
- Liza
for me the oldest service i still use is hotmail.
- Robert Higgins
Robert: you didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway: Outlook/Exchange. Although that has changed a lot over the years but I first started using whatever Microsoft called it (MSMail?) back in 1993. Regarding newer web services? Flickr. Wordpress. Google Reader are probably the ones that have had the longest staying power.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: yeah, but if I worried about what dorks think I would just stay off the Internet. :-)
- Robert Scoble
thought about why and the stages of the graph. while i still use hotmail, for family and things i have migrated to gmail mostly. I personally never did step 4 with hotmail, but i did get buddies on it a long time ago before they even had their own computers. It was cool to promote hotmail and messenger in the 90's felt hip to chat with people in China when I lived in USA. I still like sky-drive for the free 25 gigabytes of online storage, so will probably never migrate.
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I still use .Mac mail, and have for a very long time. (Some day I may move to GMail, but not yet). I have stuck with Mac OS through all its iterations from System 6 or so, so I assume that counts. I've been on FriendFeed longer than Twitter, and Facebook longer than FriendFeed and Google Reader longer than Facebook.
- Louis Gray
thats interesting, but in term of early adopter and stages where are you now with Mac OS for example.
- Robert Higgins
I would say Stage 3 with Mac OS. I don't feel like they need to change anything to reward me for my loyalty. I've never been a Stage 2 user for Twitter, so I hang out in Stage 3 or 4, it's just a utility, as is Facebook. I am Stage 2 and 3 with FriendFeed and Google Reader. I will always push FriendFeed and Google Reader, even if I know they could improve, because I get great value from both and trust the teams.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I was through all five stages with the MacOS by 1993. Started over again in 2003. Heheh. I forgot that I still use Hotmail and have for a long time (I remember waiting in line for StarWars #4 overnight with the Hotmail founders and thinking they were pretty cool).
- Robert Scoble
you are such a geek scoble waiting in line overnight for Star Wars #4 with hotmail founder
- Robert Higgins
Robert: that is true, but, as waiting overnight for the iPhone proved, the line itself was more fun than seeing the movie or getting the phone. In Silicon Valley these things turn into impromptu barcamps. Several companies had tents and it was an all-night party. My son did both with us and they were among the best things I've ever done with him. Good bonding time. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Higgins: if I remember right one company even paid for a T-1 line so they could provide wifi to everyone. In Silicon Valley we take these things seriously! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice bell curve, this typically represents most things - I can be in different stages at different times! - for example - different features of the product (ie I can discover a feature, then promote, etc). Not sure about Migration phase, I would prefer to call it Withdrawal
- Geer
I think this post was bad form. I have experienced the same problems with admiring the power and brilliance of the features and simultaneously being confused by their counter intuitiveness. In any case if the graph is accurate Robert's activity would have already slowed and will continue to slow down until migration. The bad form is explicitly referencing Robert.
- Ru Viljoen
Ru: thank you. Truth is in just the past week I was in all five phases of FriendFeed and even Twitter. I never liked this post by Louis' even though there's some truth to it and I'm still trying to figure out why.
- Robert Scoble
It's a post more human behavior centric than tech focused. Of course i'm interested in HB and how the brain works. I object to the generalization. We all have unique patterns of usage. There are probably hundreds of tools I use a day and am unaware of
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Ru, I know FriendFeed is not perfect. But pound for pound, they have the best talent in the business. I also read and enjoyed the exchange in Robert's piece, but didn't "like" it, as he says he didn't this one. Robert and I have a long history of agreeing 95% of the time, and have a mutual respect that lets us exchange ideas this way. I personally would not have approached the issues in the way he did, explicitly referencing Kevin, for example.
- Louis Gray
Louis: Kevin runs design at FriendFeed and he's a guy I've judged that is able to take a huge amount of criticism (earned or unearned) and keep his cool and tell you why he's doing what he's doing. Like you said, they have the best talent in the business. Kevin proved it again yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
My 2 cents about FriendFeed interface design: Overloading/hiding of controls is often used to present a simpler UI. It's difficult to find a balance, and often testing things on novice users is better than on veteran users to get a fresh response. One difficult example (which I don't know if I could improve) is Canon's cameras (of which I've used 4 cameras). Canon had a standard way of...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Sometimes interface design can be complicated with people at various stages of behavior. Yahoo! tried to change their interface after a few years and got a "New Coke" response (e.g. focus groups, testing, etc... before release). The new interface worked better & made more sense, but they got 1,000s of e-mail complaints from older experienced users - ended up staying with the old...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Oldest services I still use: MS-DOS (1981), Unix (1982), Mac OS (1984), MS Word (1984), MS Excel (1985), MS Powerpoint (1987), MS Windows (1987), HTML (1993), Yahoo! (1995), PriceWatch (1995), Post.Harvard.edu (1995), Slashdot (1996), MapQuest (1996), Google (1997), Amazon (1998), MS Outlook (1998), Internet Explorer (1998), PriceGrabber (1999), SECInfo (2000), Network Solutions (2000),...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Thomas - It's interesting to see what "stands the test of time". Used HotBot for search 1996-2000, but Google's cache won me. MS Multiplan was my 1st spreadsheet (not a Lotus 1-2-3 fan), but Excel beat out many better spreadsheets. MS Outlook won me with color e-mails, shared calendars, & event coordination. Google Maps still hasn't beat MapQuest IMO. I'm still resistant to using GMail...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Considering I'm on stage 4 right now, I wonder how much I stand to make from the sale of Friendfeed?
- Andrew Smith
Louis, Robert: It makes sense to me that a service would be forced to field speculative criticism and that the criticism should be answered on the merits of the argument. In this instance I thought that Robert insightfully pointed out the problem with the UI and then must have been totally side swiped by an unrelated personal criticism from someone who is well regarded. I hate to see...
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- Ru Viljoen
It's Interesting that you posted this last night, before the friendfeed/FaceBook announcement! Good intuition!
- Michael Fidler
Changed my status on Facebook today to engaged and now all I get are ads "The Wedding Planner" and "The Wedding Diet!" I'm eating some cheese and crackers drinking some wine ROFL!
Congrats, Arleen, even though you are now bombarded with the cheesy Facebook ads
- Helen Sventitsky
Very cool. Re: Engagement, not the new ads ;)
- David Damore
Congrats on your engagement Arleen. keyword engaged = all things weddings so I guess you'll be seeing all the related product and service offerings for it on Facebook. :))
- James Stratford
We nixed Gopher access at the last minute because we found our gopher servers couldn't handle the load.
- Kevin Fox
Ha! I saved a copy of the Trojan Room Coffee Cam page, complete with captured picture (which I then had to view offline, as I could not configure the Lynx to display in parallel ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Speaking of which, I always wondered at the default gray background choice of the first Netscape browser(s). It looked too sophisticated to have been accidental. In hindsight, however, someone there must've misunderstood basic usability, e.g. optimal contrast ratios? [And then a year later someone had that unbright idea of turning homepages black for a day's web protest against some...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf: The gray background was the default in Mosaic, so Netscape was just keeping the status quo. The black background protest was against the Communications Decency Act, which would have made lots of innocent speech illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Gabe
Obviously fake. :) The menu bar entries are anti-aliased.
- Andy Bakun
Ray Cromwell, with the pixels being so much bigger back then, I suspect that the continued need for button bars was the impetus behind increasing screen resolutions.
- Andy Bakun
If this was supposed to be March 5, 1995, that was before Sun announced Java, so the coffee pot needing Java joke wouldn't have made sense yet.
- Gabe
Aren't you missing the point Gabe? Friendfeed did not exist in 1995 to begin with.
- lelapin
Damn, just by me "viewing" the image that mentioned Java, I got a "Java Update Available" window. I'm not kidding, it popped up the second the image loaded... I hate Java. This is a great parody though, good work.
- Joel Strellner
"So, here we have the same revolution, come home again. Twitter's world -- its conventions, meaning and use -- is our artifact: we have built it, 140 characters at a time, just as the Twitter developers have been building the platform underneath our feet. But it is our dancing that makes the house rock, not the planks and pipes. It is us that makes Twitter alive, and not the code."
- Leslie Poston
Wow! A Language Translator for Twitter! Global conversations in twitter are now useful! XLHit.com - Translates Real-Time Search - http://www.xlhit.com/
This is Rochelle giving Audrey her first taste of wine. Yes, Audrey loved it and, yes, this was taken with the new D700 with my 50mm lens at factory standard settings. I love my child, I love my wife, and I love this camera! [Hey, this is me after four glasses of wine...]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks, everyone! It was, by far, our longest and most 'complex' seder. Each year that passes, we get progressively more orthodox. Doubt we'll ever stop using computers and TV on the Sabbath, though.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Where is the life hack article about that, I'd like to set it up.
- Whit Scott
The Lifehaker article just pointed me to the pieces I needed: http://lifehacker.com/5158878.... From this, I learned where to get Rainmeter (http://code.google.com/p...). I just searched DeviantArt for my background, anyone will do I guess, and searched DA for the Rainmeter skin by Chaebi69. The Rainmeter skins can be moved around to your liking & there's other features I didn't employ in the screen shot, like the to-do list.
- Admiral Anika
where the hell is "ability to search like Friendfeed"? in 2010? damn!!! :P
- Goktug Gedik
"like" on Facebook doesn't bump the entry to the top. Not quite the same thing. However, you do get notifications on FB items that you "like".
- Morton Fox
Now someone should do what they copied from Twitter.
- Corvida
You can hide now... I think search is the big one they're lacking.
- Frankie Warren
Where's the ability to not get hit with a slew of stupid, annoying invites / requests as soon as you login???
- Patrick Jordan
most of my friends are using facebook only, these two sites should merge closer
- classic
stefan: Do you like Turkish? I'm suggesting you a friend of mine, /directeur. ; )
- Erhan
Ha! and here I am! 14 seconds after you called my name :)
- directeur
directeur: Did you write a greasemonkey script for your personal buzz? :-)
- Erhan
:D No, not yet, should I? :) It was the first entry I saw and I read my name in it. Also, I have a very fun and smart idea for my next project (will tell you more on you know where :) ) Oh btw, how was Baku?
- directeur
directeur: Baku was great, we should visit there again. They have awesome meals, songs, people... I wrote a post in Turkish about Azerbaijan at webrazzi.com. Try to read. :-))
- Erhan
I will try! Thanks! :) Oh, tell me btw, you didn't forgot to bring a nice gift to you know who? I hope you didn't forgot!! ;-)
- directeur
todo facabook MUAhuauUhauUauauUUauUAhU
- Jordi Rivero
directeur: I'll answer all of your questions at FB chat. :-))
- Erhan
- The ability to undo actions like FriendFeed
- LouCypher
THANK YOU for fucking me over. The credit card I worked my ass off to earn that I was so proud to get and had a great high limit that worked well for my being able to do festival business...my limit's been lowered to SHIT because the issuer is worried about allowing me to have such a card. Apparently a credit score in the 700's and a solid history of paying on time means jack now. FUCK. YOU.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
That's totally messed up. I would think about getting a new card. I've never owned a credit card myself, except the tiny credit stuff I've done on my Debit Card, like using it at Taco Bell. I really never needed one and I hope to never have one.
- Ken
If I had a job, or a good job, I would probably get one. My Grandparents never even had a checking account. LOL They paid everything with cashier's checks.
- Ken
Preach it , Sister!! Oh, and, AMEX Corp. cards still have some pretty high limits.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Me, Mark. I've had issues with AmEx (long story, lots of my credit got fouled up in college). I received an offer from this last week saying for a low fee of X per year they'd like to welcome me back into the fold.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'll take that under advisement and not be so quick to reccomend them.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Chris, being a mother deux shnozzle? Knock me over with a feather......
- Matthew DeVries
More credit card use = more credit ratings. More credit ratings = higher amount you can borrow.
- Ken
Chris, when you start with no credit, and you take out a small line somewhere, then a larger, then a larger, etc... each time paying on time or early, it's referred to as 'building credit' and for people that start low, economically, it takes work. Amanda did the work, did nothing to harm her credit, and yet the credit provider has lowered her ability to borrow, seemingly arbitrarily. It seems punative.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Her credit rating is already 750 Ken, read the thread.
- Matthew DeVries
I wasn't talking about her, I was trying to show Chris that yes, people do work their ass off. (edited)
- Ken
Maybe you should give AMEX another shot. My mom worked for AMEX and if you are persistent and can get a hold of a competent and caring person they will work with you more so than alot of the other companies.
- adf
I'm not entirely surprised that Chris showed up to lambast me yet again. He can do no wrong and I apparently have a target glued to my ass.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Chris - When you delete every single post after starting a flame war, you get to enjoy that kind of plausible denyability.
- Matthew DeVries
And as far as my credit card is concerned. I don't regularly pay for things with credit card when I have the cash to do so. I do try to use my card now and then to show I'm a responsible debtor who can pay off a reasonable balance. Starting in February of every year, running through August, I put considerably more on my card because of the festival I run. I use my card to pay for...
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- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I realize I'm lucky that I still have a job, a roof, food, clothing. But goddammit, this is still a bunch of bullshit. Just like all of the other innocent bystanders during this shitty economic period, I'm being punished for the actions of those who were thoroughly irresponsible. That is what pisses me off. It's a general outrage I feel. This credit card issue was just the catalyst for me.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
@Lindsey - that's actually why I got the card in the first place! All I wanted was a modest limit for emergency purposes. I used my card periodically to show that I was interested, and over time my limit was raised due to good standing with the creditor. When I first got the card, the limit was $3000.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
$435? Shit Amanda. It's like they ate your Girl Scout cookies too. Yeah, time for a new card because that's some bul shite.
- Admiral Anika
I had the same thought when I tried to refi, only to be told that thanks to all the neighborhood's flop houses that the illegals had emptied out and had ended up as either short sales or bank sales, our appraisal would come in at less than what I paid for the house 5 years ago (with > 20% down). So it wasn't just people driving hummers, it was mostly illegals abandoning properties that they financed through Hispanic brokers, who then sold those crappy, no-doc mortgages upstream.
- Craig Eddy
I strongly suggest that you check out credit unions in the area. They tend to be a lot less douchey.
- Alex Scoble
Credit cards were never invented to benefit consumers though were they? They're only a way for the banks to be able to make huge profits with scam-level interest fees. Miss a payment and they want to take the card away or levy punitive penalty payments. Of course, now the banks have been caught out at proving how incompetent they are at running their businesses, they're scared, so they're treating card holders as if they've all defaulted, before they have.
- Ian May
All I have to say to the banks is that you can stick your cards up your asses. I don't have any credit cards, as I don't want to be party to your excess profits, and I can happily live without them. I use you instead. I' save my would-be credit card payment as a savings amount each month, and YOU pay me interest instead for my emergency fund. Works for me, assholes.
- Ian May
Ian mentions an interesting angle. Perhaps the entire CC industry won't implode?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I understand that the whole banking system revolves around lending at a percentage, and paying interest to savers at a lower percentage. No problem with that. However, the gap is way too big, as the banks are way too greedy.
- Ian May
Yeah banks and CC companies are finding more and more risk exposure right now. But this should be illegal.
- Ken
What's even worse is that other banks can and will use this against you too.
- Alex Scoble
you stole how I tell people they are number 1!!!!
- Zehnchu
I'm interested in it for work... and for my pools... but I don't know much about college basketball. It's fun to watch a bunch of games come down to the wire though.
- Ted Roden
I normally dislike sports...but locally it is a big deal. I like the social aspects of the MM part of the season, even though I could care less if the team I am supposed to root for wins. (Tons of free beer and big screens)
- Amber, Random Time Lord
are you kidding march is one of the best months of the year
- chrisofspades
I was born without the Sports Gene. I have no interest in any of them. I can follow but don't care really.
- CW™
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better pay attention to the NCAA Tournament." - King Kaufman ( http://www.salon.com/sports... )
- Andrew C
It just makes me mad because it makes me think of Midnight Madness and I don't own that on DVD yet and it makes me feel like less of a human being.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can't stand basketball, so the whole March Madness thing just annoys the shit out of me.
- Joey Gibson
@Kol @Glen: serious? March Madness -- a trademarked term, btw -- covers about a 3-week period in March, when the NCAA college basketball championships are decided. It's madness because, including the individual conference championships all over the country to set the field, there's hundreds of basketball games -- almost all televised -- compressed into a short amount of time, that lead to determining the eventual best team in the nation. It's crazy, it's mad! It's the best tournament in sports. HTH
- .LAG liked that
I'm very interested, watching a game right now at work through the power of the internets.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
You couldn't pay me to watch basketball on television. I would rather do my taxes than watch sports - live or televised. There are very few things I find more boring or pointless.
- Nathan Chase
@Nathan: watching sports is no different than watching a TV show, or going to a play, a music concert, or the opera. actually, there is one difference: the outcome of the sporting event is not pre-determined. some people find the build-up to that uncertain outcome interesting and dramatic... but whatever floats your boat. no need for high horses.
- .LAG liked that
zactly. You couldn't write better drama. You get to watch people who've trained their whole lives to do one thing either succeed or fall short in what is still "amateur" competition over the course of a couple weeks.
- Richard Lawler
Just to be clear - i don't hold interest in basketball against folks. :) Love of any particular sport is no worse than any of my hobbies. :)
- Tad
from fftogo
.LAG, I don't live in the US and have no interest in basketball, hence why I don't know anything about "March Madness". Thanks, for the info. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the new Spring lines are already on sale? Cool!
- MLx
I'm the captain of the football team
- sofarsoShawn
Depends what you want out of it, if numbers is your game, sure.
- Mo Kargas
Yes, and if you fall off the radar for like a week, you are forgotten. I guess I'm sharing on FF for myself. I'm not complaining anymore--I wrote about this about 6 weeks ago.
- Tamar Weinberg
No, It is a news source, an education source, an amusement source and a place to have great conversation about finance, soup or gardening.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Tamar, same here. I'm probably the least popular one in FF. :) There were periods where some FFers were arguing like spoiled high school students. Nowadays I use FF mainly for myself also.
- imabonehead
Jason, did you notice my absence? ;) I think it may differ from the REALLY active on FF versus the others who try but don't have 100+ likes/comments per week. I dropped from about 30 of each to less than 10 and there was little/no engagement on my shares when I did try to participate.
- Tamar Weinberg
Is life just a popularity contest? EDIT: Meryn Stol appears to have beaten me to it. Great minds think alike.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Blame it on SXSW ;) I actually noticed since I responded to you on a previous thread and you never actually got back to me. It's hard to keep track!
- Tamar Weinberg
If people talk about really interesting stuff and that makes them more known to the FF community (aka popular), then so be it. So I guess my answer is: Depends on the mindset of the person posting. I'm just here for the bacon.
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
[backtype] "Someone said my blog is "impossible" to read because of the background. What do YOU think? (http://ping.fm/L91cY)” Someone does care at least a lil bit.
- sofarsoShawn
To some, probably. But to those folks, life is a popularity contest. :) In other news, does the fact that I have my own tiara mean I can opt out? Although, I could use a sash. Oooh! and a baton. Wait. What were we talking about again? :)
- ♥patricia♥
Hi Johnny, it's not a bad thing at all, i just wanted to know what people thought
- Darren Heydon
Yes, though not too the degree Twitter is at all. If it wasn't there wouldn't be the features of a "suggested followers list" or "Best of Day" and especially a running list of most popular users at ffholic; though the contest is only as important as you make it. As per me: no.
- sofarsoShawn
""Best of Day" and especially a running list of most popular users at ffholic; though the contest is only as important as you make it."
- Darren Heydon
No doubt it's a popularity contest for some. Before now, the thought never really crossed my mind. Like many quasi-free-form tools, FF is what you make it. For me, it's a semi-social diary, recommendation engine, hub, and backup tool.
- Jason Nelson
The notifier is my favorite new feature in a long time. Try it out and let me know what you think. (it works on OSX, Windows, and Linux, btw)
- Paul Buchheit
Yes, it is pretty darn great, especially when you have it focus on a short list of people you really must interact with in almost realtime. With it turned on to too many people, it is an overlapping chore. Thanks for the cool apps!
- Josh Haley
I try it ones, but no. Somehow I have come to dislike notifiers... Not my thing, I ratherly use sidebar on firefox :)
- Kristian Salonen
I just did. Thanks for the reminder!
- Robert Scoble
Yes, and <3... wish it was resizeable, though. excellent otherwise.
- .LAG liked that
Nope. Adobe Air sucks huge resources. My Mac only has 4G of RAM and I can't run Air Apps.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
I love it. It's the least intrusive Air App I've seen. I would like the ability to add my comments and likes and a list. That would really make it easier to keep up with conversations. :)
- Andrew
Glen, Air can be a resource hog, but the notifier seems to use less memory that some other Air apps (on my computer, TweetDeck has a 283MB resident size, by the notifier is only 54MB).
- Paul Buchheit
air... ick... installed, but not too hopeful
- anna sauce
man, i'm wishing i hadn't downloaded. i already have growl notifications and mail notifications ... overwhelmed.
- Lynne d Johnson
This tool is usefull, but not my need. I don't like to be disruptted.
- pastas9
from BuddyFeed
You can have FF and Twitter on your desktop with one app: Thwirl. And, with Thwirl you can turn off ALL notifications.
- Phil Essing
from twhirl
Yes, but only works sometimes and when it works, it's updates popups hell. :)
- Rui Pereira
@JoshHaley I agree, great for a small subset like coworkers or family, but not for your entire feed.
- karl dotter
Ok, a couple thoughts. Once I installed the app I had updates constantly, often one over another so this means #1) I am missing way too much good content, #2) I have a very rich experience on Friendfeed since I seem to want to ignore most Twitter updates but want to click into most FF updates, and #3) if I left this thing on I would get zero work done. This application is too dangerous for me. Sorry guys, i had to turn it off. Good to see you are making the experience flexible for all though. Thanks.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
The problem I have with AIR is that it wakes up the CPU constantly. air apps + battery life = fail.
- mjc
Phil, Thwirl is a full desktop client, which is great if that's what you're looking for. The notifier is just a very simple and lightweight notifier, which makes it very easy to passively keep up with what's happening on FriendFeed in real-time.
- Paul Buchheit
wish you could disabled comments...otherwise, not bad really not blown away i'm afraid
- Zee.
I installed it. It works just as intended. Then I uninstalled it. Not my cup of tea. But it works great and the installation was flawless.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
...it seems to work best--and less noisily--if you make a list of favorite FF content (people and/or rooms) and set the notifier to that...
- .LAG liked that
I keep meaning to ask people what they're going on about a FriendFeed notifier. Installing this as soon as I get home.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I use twhirl for FF notifications, works well because I also use it for Twitter when my Tweetdeck api requests run out, and for seesmic
- AJ Leon
from twhirl
Yeah I'd love to use it but Air is a resource hog I just can't deal with.
- EricaJoy
Another thought, I think the X button on the top right could be bigger. I seem to be accidentally opening liks quite a bit when I'm trying to close the pop up.
- Andrew
No, not yet - thank you for the reminder
- Susan Beebe
I did, and promptly removed it after getting pop-ups every second.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
My ADD ass wouldn't be able to handle the distraction.
- Brad Williamson
I installed it but with Twhirl sending me twitter updates and that popping up it get's really confusing of what's going on. Plus Twhirl works fine for me.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Yes, but don't really keep it on. The sheer amount of activity is so high that notifier is a major distraction from whatever I am doing. I only turn it on when I'm browsing FF fulltime.
- Parth Awasthi
I need another popup like a hole in my head.
- TranceMist
Not really interesting. Friendfeed is getting kinda boring tbh.
- Spencer
it's the dreaded ADOBE AIR. avoid it like the plague! :)
- Zio Bonino
Notifier without actual interface=useless to me.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Just installed it but notifiers without filtering options = popup hell
- MiaD
I like it. It's like the real-time feed without having to take up a whole tab or sidebar. But I could never have it active at work - far too distracting. At home when I can keep an eye down in the corner while doing other things, it's great.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Tried it, liked it but prefer the IM / XMPP interface, that doesn't cost me CPU since I already have a client running, and also gives me more control over the level of distraction.
- Robin Barooah
Still prefer to use Twhirl for my FriendFeed updates... It has a Me tab and a Friends tab and a Everyone tab and a tab to share stuff.
- Patrick
from twhirl
I tried it and it's fun but I realized that all the real-time-ness I need I get from the real-time view in a separate window without the distraction.
- Sam Grover
"« Shī Shì shí shī shǐ » Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī. Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī. Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì. Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì. Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì. Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì. Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì. Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī. Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī, shí shí shí shī shī. Shì shì shì shì."
- Simon
from Bookmarklet
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- Simon
You're buying reach - it's a chicken or the egg scenario - do you get reach first or trust first? I think it's easier to get trust with a smaller audience.
- Jesse Stay
The number of followers only partially measures the reach.
- Mike Chelen
Mike, it depends on your definition of reach
- Jesse Stay
Buying 100,000 followers may initially fare well, but in the long run people see through it.
- Kevin Elliott
Reach should be number of eyes reading a post. One follower may read every single post, while another sees one in ten.
- Mike Chelen
Earn trust over time. Buy placement when the time comes. Both can amplify.
- Andy Wibbels
Scoble wins this thread big time - totally nailed it. When will people learn that relationships are not products they can buy; but rather, they must cultivate and nourish those relationships with genuine engagement which builds trust and establishes your network. We must add value and not resort to youthful playground antics of attempting to buy friends with some lunch money.
- Susan Beebe
All good points, learning from experimenting with those features makes it in the end. As it could simply mean dealing with understanding the most concepts by interaction and getting the supplies needed to keep going on in this domain of expertise.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I would like to learn Hungarian/Romanian because we've been talking of moving into my MILs apartment there. I'll be stranded, linguistically speaking.
- Admiral Anika
Spanish because I could use it on a regular basis (and I already know a little), French because I like the way it sounds and then I could watch French movies without the subtitles.
- Jeremy Brooks
I am still trying to learn Korean, but haven't seen any Korean friendfeeder :(
- Onur Gündüz
You probably meant that "directeur" guy, didn't you? :) If so, I have to say that the turkish people who are helping me are DELICIOUSLY kind! I'd advise y'all to give it a try! Über cool!
- directeur
@Shey, I have no idea. I have tried audio CDs, but they really do not work for me. Lately, I just have not had time for books either, but that is typically better for me. And there is nothing like practicing with a native speaker. I am going to try the 300-word method as well, where you learn the 300 most popular words and go form there.
- Rob Diana
Memnoun Storyline! Poetry like Omar Khayyam's one? :)
- directeur
yes, learn persian to understand the meaning of literature
- خیزران kheyzaran
Onur, well he's very known for his poetry about wine! ;-)
- directeur
Christopher, I am not aware of the Pimsleur method, I will look into it.
- Rob Diana
@Rob I've got the Pimsleur audio courses for Spanish. Without breaking out the media, it looks this link http://www.scribd.com/doc... is an accurate transcription of the first 30 lessons. Note that Pimsleur is all audio so these notes are not part of the course. It looks like this person just felt compelled to transcribe them.
- Christopher Harley
FF helps me a lot to improve my English ;-) Also learning Japanese, just started (and I think FriendFeed will be useful at this too, later =))
- Anton
@browneyes : Devnagri is just the script Hindi is written in. Also, I will be more than happy to teach Hindi to anybody who likes to.
- Varun Mahajan
@Varun Mahajan: Yes I know. But comparing hindi text book (at least in Japan), noticed better text books tend to show hindi words only in Nagari scripts. So I've decided to learn them first. :-) And great if I have someone native hindi speaker for asking some odd questions! FF Indian pps are so kind. yay!
- browneyes
Michael, of course I DISAGREE. I am white (yes, my avatar is Coltrane and he's black, but he's the man I wished I was) I'm white, fair and silk hair and green eyes... but I speak 5 languages (plus good notions of another one), and I'm learning a 6th one currently (actually Shey was referring to me) So I really disagree. I actually disagree about all "generalizations". It's like saying that black people don't know anything but robbery, crime, whining... see what I mean?
- directeur
@Yolanda English, Spanish and Portuguese. I have a good working knowledge of Italian and French too; I can nail those accents effortlessly. :)
- Carlos Ayala