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The Weekly Standard Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Publish Bill Online for 72 Hours Before Vote #killbill - http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs...
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Wow, even MORE broken promises from the radical left. Surprised? Not really. >.>
- pitlord
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The Energizer Health Care Bill ....it keeps growingand gro and growing and growing..... 11/4/2009 - squareonemedia on Blog Talk Radio
#killbill - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/squareo...
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eeeeyeah, the bill is growing, and that is (of course) a problem. not, however, as big a problem comparatively as the rate by which insurance is hiking their profits & exec salaries at the expense of recipients - both financially and to the detriment of their health. killbill? no effing way, brah...but you have fun.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Get your facts straight, insurance companies operate on a very small profit margin. They make even less money than railroads, cleaning product manufacturers and restaurants! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2...
- pitlord
I once worked for an oil company that never turned a profit, funny how that works, Fact is that insurance companies make outrageous profits, they just know how to shield it.
- Rene Wirtz
revenue does not always equal profit
- pitlord
There we agree. But, I also know how to make a big profit "disappear", so it looks like the margins are really slim and this typically how companies that generate huge amounts of profits (oil ompanies, insurance companies, banks, investment banks, pharmaceutics) operate. Everyone knows that. If you really believe that insruance companies really operate on a small margin you are delusional.
- Rene Wirtz
The same accounting tricks are available to every industry. That doesn't change the insurance businesses' ranking on the list.
- pitlord
David, I used to work inside an HMO...I don't need to read any blog to know what the profit margins are. Nor am I remotely interested in what you're calling "facts" here - having experienced the reality first-hand.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Further, you're also forgetting another little lovely item known casually as monopoly. One facet of health care reform is breaking up the only industry that is exempt from anti-trust laws. We're not aiming to put private insurance companies out of business. The idea on that count is to level the playing field. It's yet another facet of this discussion where your "facts" are skewed.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Happy listening anyway.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
By all means, share with us your inside information about the insurance business. The problem is that a private company, like an insurance company, has a legal fiduciary duty to make a profit. They have no reason to hide their profit margins, if they are making money they crow about it from the highest rooftops to attract more investors. So show us how and why they are hiding profits from their investors.
- pitlord
As for a monopoly. How can any of them have a monopoly when they aren't even allowed to operate accross state lines? In fact, how can their be a "monopoly" when we refer to them in the plural? Doesn't that imply there is more than one of them? If you are so against a monopoly how would you feel about the government operated monopoly like the one Obama and his supporters are trying to...
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- pitlord
What you completely ignore, David, are the very problems with your assertions that you're trying to tout as positive facets. Yes, all businesses (including insurance companies) have a "duty" to make a profit. Nobody with any understanding of the nature of business would argue that point - although, some might question the ethics and morals of turning a profit at the expense of client...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Operating across state lines. Okay...I'm not sure if you're aware of *why* insurance companies cannot operate across state lines, and I don't know if you've ever tried to contact *your* state's insurance commissioner when you've ever had problems with your coverage. Only you can answer that question. Each state has certain regulatory compliance issues that govern who *beneficiaries* can...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
If even a fraction of the "denial of care," resulting in death and misery, that you constantly claim happened it would be front page news. Show me "tripling and quadrupling premiums" because nobody has even suggested that's the case. How convenient for you to claim a criminal conspiracy to rob people of their premiums without paying for services and then say you won't reveal your...
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- pitlord
Now your argument is that you didn't really mean "monopoly" and that I "ignored" their exemption from anti-trust laws. You didn't read my comment because I specifically said it was a great idea to hold them to anti-trust laws. The only problem is they aren't violating any. Again you make false claims that people are "dying and losing coverage" with absolutely nothing to support your...
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- pitlord
Preventing this bill to pass will lead to disaster. Don't like it, move! You and your vile ilk are holding the USA back, back in the 1800s. So, David C Cooper, what are you holding a PhD in? Or any degree? I told you before, I think you need to ask your education money back, you are the prime example of someone uneducated and misinformed.
- Rene Wirtz
Anybody who thinks the government would efficiently and wisely manage your healthcare is absolutely crazy. Regardless, government healthcare is un-Constitutional.
- Spencer
Inserting religious beliefs into law is unconstitutional! Separation of state in church, look it up, it's in there!
- Rene Wirtz
Rene, you got that backwards the government is not allowed to impose political beliefs on religious institutions. Religious belief is inherent in the law. Otherwise, the founders would never have recognized The Divine Creator in our founding documents you dumbass.
- pitlord
Pitlord, you may be right, but you don't help anything with the whole "dumbass" comment. Rene, "vile ilk" makes you sound like a sore winner to me. For the majority of my voting life, I have registered as a Republican. Right now, the law-making "ball" is so entirely in your court, it astounds me that your "ilk" waste time worrying about what my "ilk" even think, as you don't need a single Conservative or Republican to go along with you in order to get anything your hearts' desire passed as law right now.
- midnightgolfer
No worries. midnightgolfer, David and I have agreed to dislike each other with a passion. And pitlord is not right, he is interpreting the constitution to his needs. And I'm not gonna point it out either, because he will deny it anyway and twist my words, He knows this too.
- Rene Wirtz
"is interpreting the constitution to his needs" -- My wife's psychiatrist calls that "projecting" and I'm used to ignoring it, while at the same time not accepting it or "enabling" it.
- midnightgolfer
I have never attacked you on a personal level, and until now you've reciprocated, but this? *rolls eyes* David, how about this. You believe whatever you choose. My doctoral, by the way, isn't a PhD - it's a DM, and quite frankly, I already came out and said that you could interpret my statement however you chose - which you did, predictably. If you think I give a rat's ass about YOUR...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Midnightgolfer you have a good point. I recant comparing Rene to a silent pack animal. Also, I reaffirm my arguments against the radical Marxist agenda which is being supported by the arguments of Denise and Rene.
- pitlord
Rene nobody has to twist your words, you do a fine job of presenting a perverted distortion of reality all by yourself.
- pitlord
Denise, the fact that you veil your insults with sarcasm and innuendo doesn't make them any less personal. Think what you want, the fact remains that the American people are revolting against the disastrous healthcare legislation that this nightmarish Obama administration is trying to foist on the country.
- pitlord
David, I attack your *weak arguments* - I have never attacked YOU as an individual - either your education, your career, your whatever that is personal. Just your words. In fact, if we really want to go all the way back and look at the dialogue, yes, I'll cop to sarcasm. So the fuck what? You're no innocent patron saint on that count either. However, insulting? No. Like I said. Fuck...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Denise, I thoroughly trounced your "attack" on my arguments as invalid. Your claims of insurance company monopolies and profits were refuted and debunked. I provided references to outside sources to back up my arguments. How did you respond? You implied that you have inside information that you were unwilling to share for fear that it might hurt your job opportunities in the future. I...
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- pitlord
I owe YOU no answers, for you do not pay my salary. If (and that is a big if) I choose to disclose my experiences, it won't be to YOU. Go to hell, you worthless waste of oxygen. There, is that insulting enough for you?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I call delusional worthless piece of shit? Did I win anything? OK, back to my regular schedule of baby eating ...
- Rene Wirtz
A brand new shiny paperclip, Rene...lol. That's about all this thread and its originator is worth anyway.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
*stares at the awesomeness of shiny paperclip*
- Rene Wirtz
There you go, attacking my "arguments" again. If by "arguments" you mean unalienable rights as endowed by our Creator. >.>
- pitlord
You're the one into creationism, moron. The level of stupidity required to actually believe that garbage is unfathomable. Go to donkeylove.com - try to figure out which you are, David...the attention whore or the ignorant ass.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@David: Our creator? Please don't force your dog onto me, I find that unbelievably offensive. Whatever you believe you can do so in the privacy of your own house, family, circle of friends, temple dwellers, etc, but don't bore me with that.
- Rene Wirtz
That's the great thing about this country. Idiots like you don't get to tell people like me how to think or what to say. If I want to thank G-d for making me a free man in a free country it is my G-d given right and there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop me. If you don't like it there are plenty of g-dless, radical, left-wing countries that would be happy to have you (or maybe not so happy). I hear liberals rave about Cuba. That's a place you might want to consider. ><
- pitlord
But, maybe you're right. Maybe, you aren't one of G-d's creations. In fact, it's more likely that you evolved from some accumulation of matter in the corner of a glue factory.
- pitlord
You absolutely have the right to believe what you choose. You do not have the right to encroach on others' rights just because they don't share those beliefs. And others have the right to mock you for your stupidity as much as they choose - because mocking is not telling you what to think. Creationism as you define it is a regurgitation of other, far older myths. So before you call anyone else an idiot, maybe you might want to consider that you're a case of de-evolution. Generally the result of inbreeding.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How many Tea Party members were able to rally against Fed GOV because RETIRED receiving Social Security and Medicare? Hypoctes or just plain dumb?
- WarLord
*sniffs glue* Ah, I can see clearly now.
- Rene Wirtz
*LOL* @Denise. You are correct: if one claims to be dog's creation, one can only be if there was inbreeding. Or, otherwise, one member has peed outside the pot and everyone is contaminated with imperfection. Flawless logic. Then again, David doesn't strike me as the kind of person who can think logically. Frankly, I don't think he thinks at all, he's just a spambot.
- Rene Wirtz
You are obviously viewing the story of creation from a western cultural perspective. There is nothing "mythological" nor incestuous about G-d's creating the universe. But, I have more pressing matters than debating the origin of the universe with you. Like groceries.
- pitlord
The last thing Cuba needs is more people like that. I personally extend an invitation for them to come over here to Spain, which is still relatively open-border. Based solely on what I've read here, they'd really fit in well, among certain circles, over here. If my sofa-bed, and my other spare bed weren't already occupied by my good-for-nothing inlaws, I'd even let them stay with me. As...
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- midnightgolfer
Oh good, David, you have an internet lover! Why don't you guys meet in the middle?
- Rene Wirtz
@midnightgolfer: please stay in Spain, there's enough fringers in the US.
- Rene Wirtz
Oh the irony of misusing the word "fringe" Conservatism is a majority, and growing. A fringe is the small edge of something larger. But don't worry, I'll wait til you leave, or are made irrelevant. But just in case there's any confusion, I still vote every chance I get, both by absentee in the U.S. and every time it's legal for me to do so in Spain and Europe.
- midnightgolfer
What you're describing, midnightgolfer, is not conservatism in any true sense. Intelligent conservatism died a long time ago. What you're describing is neoconservatism, which is one of the most dangerous movements in this country - and if you're a part of it, then you will share your burden of blame in the undoing of your "claimed" party. Period. Wake up and smell the stupid. People like you are definitely trying to take this country back...to some place pre-WWI era.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
What exactly did I describe? other than to state that Dem's and "liberals" have all they need right now to pass any bill into law that they'd like, no matter what opposition would like? Oh, and to show displeasure at ad hominem attacks?
- midnightgolfer
*rolls eyes* "Conservatism is a majority and growing" is what you said specifically. That is patently false. Genuine conservatism still exists in some individuals, but as a "group" it is dead. What is growing is the teabaggers. That's all. Further, Dems & "liberals" are not synonymous - anymore than Reps and "conservatives". If you're American, then you wouldn't know what a real liberal was if one came up and slapped you across the face. It's nothing to do with party.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
This is why I put "liberal" in quotes, and you are mistaken, in the U.S. the percentage of individuals who self-identify as "Conservative" is a majority, and it is an increasing percentage.
- midnightgolfer
LOL - where do you get this from...? Faux News? Pffft. Oh, and the ad hominem is not directed at you, midnightgolfer. Besides, if we're using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" - from a distinct perspective (and you being in Europe should be aware of this), there is NO left in this country comparatively. But, and this is a BIG but, when we're talking about "self-identification", I...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
There most certainly is a Left in the U.S., albeit statistically small, even when compared to Europe's average left-to-right position. You ask, "Where do I get this from?" -- The recent Virginia and New Jersey election results - Pffft.
- midnightgolfer
The recent Virginia and NJ election results tell you what then? That people are pissed off at incumbents? No...the voices are telling you what you think you want to hear? No...that people are dissatisfied with Obama? What exactly...? Yesterday's results can be interpreted 101 different ways. The "left" here is still comparatively right-leaning when we're drawing comparisons over the pond, man. Am I correct in guessing you're either in the military or an American subcontractor in Spain?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Okay, so you interpret it the way you wish, and I will interpret it the way I wish, and we'll both act on our own interpretations, and stop wasting time arguing about differences of opinion, and move forward. Thanks for the momentary fun.
- midnightgolfer
If my guess is correct, then you're surrounded by like-minded folks with whom you work...and it bubbles into a nice little echo chamber to what you want to interpret it. That's all. ;) And acting on interpretations simply means voting the way our respective consciences dictate -- which is perfectly fine, no matter how we disagree. Given the time there, let go of the momentary fun and get some rest. :)
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
To be totally honest, I work graveyard, and am on a break, that went a little long ;-) I truly wish you were right about being surrounded by like-minded folk. I am surrounded by overly-sensitive people I have to make a conscious effort not to offend with my opinions, and online is one of the only places I get to speak so openly, without immediate confrontation. Also, I'm better at defending myself in English than in Spanish.
- midnightgolfer
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Republican Leader Boehner | Speaker Pelosi’s Government-Run Health Plan Will Require a Monthly Abortion Premium #killbill We Stand Together - http://republicanleader.house.gov/blog...
Why so serious?
- pitlord
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Abortion is not health care.
- Craig Eddy
If you do not want an abortion, then don't have one. This is your choice. If someone else wants or needs an abortion, who the fuck are you to tell them no?!
- Rene Wirtz
They can do whatever they want as long as they pay for it themselves.
- pitlord
Hey David, newsflash: I don't like any of your views or opinions, but I still pay for your health care. I don't like you using our education system or our roads, but I still pay taxes so you can use them. Suck it up, deal with it. Otherwise I suggest you move to a country where your opinions and religious views are not impeded on. KTHXBYE!
- Rene Wirtz
That's one of the many differences between us, Rene. I don't mind paying taxes for health care roads, or public schools that are being used by people with whom I disagree. Abortions are not roads, they are not education and abortions certainly are NOT healthcare.
- pitlord
Then I suggest you try to pass a law where the individual can attribute the taxes he pays to only those communal things he wants to, problem solved.
- Rene Wirtz
Oh, and guess what. I already live in a country where my G-d given rights are recognized and sanctified. If you don't like my country then you're welcome to find one that suits your radical Marxist ideals and GTFO.
- pitlord
No. I'd rather you go. It will make the US a much better place :-)
- Rene Wirtz
Pitlord - If a woman will die without the abortion, would you still say it isn't healthcare? If she has a dead fetus inside of her, would you force her to continue carrying it because you don't consider the abortion healthcare?
- Katy S
@Katy: David will not see that has health care, but as god's will ...
- Rene Wirtz
Katy, nobody is suggesting that abortions be banned. Of course, I support abortion to save the life of the mother. I do not support paying for abortions with our hard earned money.
- pitlord
Rene, speak for yourself.
- pitlord
Karl Rove: Tuesday's Suburban Vote Swing - WSJ.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://online.wsj.com/article...
More on Pelosi's delusion (but don't tell her).
- pitlord
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The Madness of Queen Nancy - WSJ.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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All hail queen Nancy! LOL ^^
- pitlord
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"More than a few Democrats in Congress are perplexed and worried that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is insisting on ramming through a 1,900-page health care bill on Saturday"
- Craig Eddy
Democrats' Plan to Help 'Uninsurables' Requires 6-Month Wait - FOXNews.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
Hope and change? Maybe later. >.>
- pitlord
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Kill The Bill!
- Craig Eddy
In the Republican farce of a health bill plan it either never happens or takes much longer. The current situation leaves them uninsured. Kill bill? Pathetic losers!
- Rene Wirtz
11 Uncovered Videos Show School Children Performing Praises to Obama #killbill - http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolt...
Is this really the best use of our public school dollars?
- pitlord
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given the source, my first reaction is extreme skepticism as to its veracity.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How can you be skeptical of video? It's video!
- pitlord
You are such a hypocrit! Every video that shows faux pas by anyone in the Republican camp you dismiss as staged, but every video the fringe puts out you believe to be fact. You are either incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible, incredible misinformed or incredibly uneducated ... I think it's all of them.
- Rene Wirtz
What video did I dismiss?
- pitlord
Nah, Rene, he's just bought into what he wants to believe. Every presidency has had some version of this. It was perfectly okay when it was a president he liked. *shrug*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
The Energizer Health Care Bill ....it keeps growingand gro and growing and growing..... 11/4/2009 - squareonemedia on Blog Talk Radio #killbill - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/squareo...
SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE! - http://www.shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/
It tastes just like raisins. >.>
- pitlord
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Have a stroke of it's mane, it turns into a plane
- pitlord
And then it turns back again, when you tug on it's winkie
- pitlord
Jennifer Love Hewitt's Playboy Bunny Halloween Costume (PIC) - http://i.imgur.com/Vd5ib.jpg
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"A Time for Choosing" by Ronald Reagan - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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"Man Up, Obama" and Other Nonsense - http://digg.com/politic...
"Yeah he's putting in "long hours" and "facing danger"… o.O on the golf course: http://www.politico.com/click... ... >.>"
- pitlord
Dems seek cover to boost debt limit - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com - http://www.politico.com/news...
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Enough is enough already!
- pitlord
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David, I agree. Enough is enough. I vote to pull the plug on DoD and Homeland Security budget (or at least halve them), would you agree?
- Rene Wirtz
David supported a war in Iraq which is on track to cost Americans several *trillions* of dollars. Where does David stand on escalating the Afghanistan War and starting a war with Iran? What is his best estimate of the costs of expanding the Iraq War to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran? $10 trillion strikes me as a reasonable number off the top of my head, when one factors in the...
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- Sean McBride
Rene, Considering the DoD and Homeland Security budget are a fraction of the cost of entitlement programs like SSI, Welfare (both corporate and private) Medicaid and Medicare I think we have to start with those instead.
- pitlord
Sean, would you suggest we turn tail and run from those conflicts? What part of the failed stimulus bill and corporate bailouts are you so supportive of that you completely ignore them as candidates for elimination?
- pitlord
David, please show me where the cost of SSI and Welfare are higher, the graphs and combined budgets of anything to do with the Military are about 50% of the total budget (and that's without factoring the unbudgeted wars in Iraq en Afghanistan!)
- Rene Wirtz
And also, yes, I am in favor for pulling the troops out of the Middle East completely and by yesterday. But thanks to your buddies, known war criminals Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, the US can't just pull out and leave that area exposed to whatever. This is something that the previous administration has ruled out for this administration and possible even the administration after that.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene, you didn't even look at wikipedia? I'm shocked! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... So, you want to see another massacre like the one that happened when we pulled out of Vietnam? You would allow all of the sacrifices our soldiers made to free Iraq from tyranny and oppression to go to waste? What do you think would happen to the good people of Iraq who put their faith in our help if we just pulled out?
- pitlord
FYI the pie chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... shows the defense budget at 21% while Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security ALONE make up 44%. That doesn't include other welfare and entitlement programs.
- pitlord
David, you fool! Again, you twist what I said. Warning: do NOT twist my words ever again! (As a side note, I am still concerned about your education ...) I said I wished that we could pull out, but unfortunately we can't, because I understand the need to be in the region keep it stabilized. And for that need, I thank the previous regime.
- Rene Wirtz
And David, as you well know, the VA is included in Medicare/Medicaid, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not part of the budget (also stated in this wiki). Take a look at this chart - http://www.warresisters.org/pages... (but I'm sure you are going to dismiss this because it's not a publication by your fringe cronies.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene you contradict yourself, we could not eliminate the DoD and Homeland Security budget (or even halve them) and still do the job in Iraq and Afghanistan. The chart you linked to doesn't even show public entitlements like SSI, Medicaid and Medicare. Apparently you can't dispute the fact that public entitlement programs are more than double our defense budget. And those figures don't...
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- pitlord
This chart separates VA out and still the public entitlements are more than double DoD budget. http://www.federalbudget.com/
- pitlord
@David: of course I am contradicting myself, because my first question was a hypothetical one (again with the not reading *rolls eyes*). How would you propose to tackle this Gordian knot? Saying you are against anything the current administration proposes to do is not a solution. I understand that the US may have to get into more debt, to get out of it. But you don't want to. Guess...
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- Rene Wirtz
Personally, have my political wishlist, I would eliminate the current Federal income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. Basically, a national sales tax on every dollar spent in the U.S. This would immediately stimulate business and productivity across every sector of the economy. Federal tax revenues would explode as a result allowing us to pay off the debt we've accumulated....
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- pitlord
Pitlord -- "Doing the job in Iraq and Afghanistan" -- what does that even mean? The neocons who have been promoting these wars have been motivated primarily by Israeli strategic ambitions and raging Islamophobia, not by calculations of the American interest -- they can offer no reasonable scenario which would justify the expenditure of trillions of dollars on the basis of a hard-headed...
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- Sean McBride
Don't forget how the recent cry for 40k more troops in afganistan amazingly corresponds with the final poppy harvest time. Funny that, how long before we get a "market report" in the news detailing how the crops were a bumper harvest?
- alphaxion
Sean, "doing the job" means that we are doing the job we set out to do. Provide the citizens of those countries with the opportunity at a society that promotes freedom and liberty like we enjoy here in the U.S. So, you STILL characterize our job in Iraq as a "war?" Who do you think we are fighting in Iraq? Thanks to the hard won victory of our dedicated soldiers the Iraqi people enjoy...
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- pitlord
Alphaxion, I don't understand what the connection is. How does General McChrystal's request for 40,000 more troops correspond to the poppy harvest time? How would news of a bumper harvest effect our efforts in Afghanistan?
- pitlord
Pitlord -- haven't you expressed support for Meir Kahane, the JIDF, Chabad-Lubavitch and the religious Zionist faction among the West Bank settlers, and larded your posts with references to Moshiach and other fundamentalist imagery? Religious fundamentalists use "God" and literal readings of religious texts (like the Torah and the Bible) to justify their political programs. Muslim,...
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- Sean McBride
The current Shiite regime in Iraq, which we brought to power, is closely allied with Shiite regime in Iran. Before Bush 43 and the rise to power of the neocons, American foreign policy took care to balance the relatively secular regime in Iraq against the Muslim fundamentalist regime in Iran. The Iraq War was a huge win for Iran and Muslim fundamentalism in the Mideast.
- Sean McBride
Pitlord -- you still haven't provided a cost/benefit analysis to justify the Iraq War, which is on track to cost Americans several trillion dollars (as much as $10,000 per American). Meanwhile, the American economy is still in a state of meltdown, and states like California are coming apart at the seams financially. Have "conservatives" abandoned the art of rational policy analysis altogether, and replaced it with emotional slogans grounded in irrational religious fundamentalist ideologies?
- Sean McBride
Sean, can you show me a post where I expressed complete support for all the tenets of any of the people or organizations you mentioned? You will find that like most people I can agree with aspects of a person or organization's agenda and still disagree with them in other areas. Can you show me a single post where I mention Moshiach without being prompted by the discussion? Can you show...
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- pitlord
Are you suggesting that the current government of Iraq is entirely Shiite? How did American foreign policy achieve this balance in the Middle East? How did we achieve such control? If we had such control how did we ever allow for the rise of Al Qaeda, Taliban and other terrorist organizations that continually attack us? If the Iraq war was such a huge win for Muslim fundamentalism, why...
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- pitlord
Sean, are you suggesting that there is a financial justification for bringing freedom and liberty to oppressed people in other parts of the world? Is there a dollar amount that would convince you that the Iraq war was worth while? You still haven't explained or provided evidence to support your assertion that Iraq is being controlled by Iran. You also haven't explained who is escalating the conflicts in the ME. Can you explain how you justify suggesting that America is an imperial power?
- pitlord
Not if they didn't ask us to, David. It is not the US' place to "bring liberty and freedom" when we're not asked for help. In "volunteering" to "bring democracy" to an "uncivilized population" - we are being EXACTLY that...imperialists. That road to hell being paved with good intentions comes to mind.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Pitlord -- isn't it your belief that "G-d" or "Hashem" in the Torah promised a particular piece of territory, "Eretz Yisrael" (the Land of Israel, Greater Israel), to "the Jewish people" (a mystical collective), that this mystical collective is surrounded by enemies on all sides (symbolized by "Amalek"), and that "Moshiach" (the King of Israel) will eventually crush all these enemies...
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- Sean McBride
Pitlord: See article(Juan Cole; The Iraq war is over, and the winner is... Iran; Salon.com; July 21, 2005 http://dir.salon.com/story...) "Iraq's new government has been trumpeted by the Bush administration as a close friend and a model for democracy in the region. In contrast, Bush calls Iran part of an axis of evil and dismisses its elections and government...
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- Sean McBride
Pitlord make a case for propping up Karzai and fhe failed narco state of AStan becasue I'm not seein one upsode foe the US in he age of the NET your terrorists organize in cyber space not meat space in the age of "open source insurgency" (look it up be good for you to learn) leadership is not concentrated for your random predator drone to kill -- nope great cost and no benefit for us at all
- WarLord
Russia violating treaty, developing missile - Washington Times - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
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Russia is developing NUKES with MULTIPLE WARHEADS! Still think Obama actually deserves the Nobel Peace Prize? -_-
- pitlord
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And the USA isn't? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, you can't have it both ways. You really don't understand politics and global treaties, do you!
- Rene Wirtz
I've said before...I'll say again. What nations who are members of the UN do is a matter for the UN to resolve. NOT the US. Someday, Americans need to wake up and stop thinking we're the world's police force.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Rene, now the USA is not developing any new multiple warhead nuclear missiles that I know of. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Besides, I thought everyone loved us now that Obama was President. Obama even backed down on the missile shield we were going to install to protect our friends on Russia's borders. Why do you think Russia isn't playing nice now?
- pitlord
Denise, would you suggest we just ignore aggressive actions like this? What do you think the U.N. can "do" about anything? The U.N. is a joke and the whole world know that already. Americans need to wake up and stop thinking that the U.N. is going to "do" anything to help anybody.
- pitlord
I have long held issues with the UN, David. However, the United States - whether you like it or not - is NOT the world's police. IF Russia demonstrates direct aggression against the U.S., then of course we have every right to retaliate, and in full force if necessary. If however they are developing nukes (JUST AS WE ARE, DAVID), and are not demonstrating direct aggression toward US,...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@David: maybe Russia is preparing for 1-3 years from now when your right wing friends place a military junta in control of the US by assassinating Obama, fearing that in that case there would be too many trigger happy retards close to the red, world annihilation button. And frankly, I don't blame them.
- Rene Wirtz
Why are you inciting violence against the President?!?! This is how you radical leftists are operating these days? Keep fomenting fear and making traitorous suggestions like that just HOPING it will happen so you can gloat with self satisfaction? You might want to reconsider your statement because you, sir, are treading on very dangerous rhetorical ground right now.
- pitlord
Oh, my, gawd - you're kidding, right David? No offense...but quite frankly that response is a load of horse manure. (add) - the incitements of violence and hopeful bloodthirst is coming distinctly from the rightwing fringe - which last I checked was where you sit. *raised eyebrows* Unless you're suddenly dissociating yourself from Rush & Beck...because there's not any of us on the...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@David: it is confirmed, fresh from AP and Reuters: David C Cooper is an ignorant and libelious tool. You clearly have reading comprehension abilities (ask your education money back, because you have been seriously duped). I am not inciting any violence (as opposed to your usual political vitriol), I am merely sketching a scenario in which people like you will take matters into own hands!
- Rene Wirtz
@David: and on a more serious note: FUCK OFF! (It is international CAPS LOCK day after all :P)
- Rene Wirtz
REALLY? So, neither of you have a problem with suggesting that any of MY friends would even CONSIDER assassinating the president? WOW! Right back at you.
- pitlord
There has been NO such incitement from Rush Limbaugh OR Glenn Beck and I defy you to show me ONE instance of either person suggesting such a thing.
- pitlord
And by suggesting such a scenario you ARE inciting violence. Why would any reasonable person even imagine such a scenario? How paranoid are you?
- pitlord
LOL ~ oh wow. You're right, David...they're saints. They've not said a single solitary inflammatory word over the last 10 months...neither has O'Reilly for that matter. *shakes head in disgust* Sorry, dude, I'm not even going to indulge this one - the sheer stupidity of that statement is mind-boggling. Besides, I have dinner to cook.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
"Inflammatory" is not even close to inciting assasination, Denise.
- pitlord
Otherwise, you'd have all been guilty of treason on a nearly daily basis for eight years straight.
- pitlord
*LOL* @David: I can't believe what a fucking loser you are. Get a fucking grip on reality! Seriously! You are so out of touch with the real world it's painful to watch. Now, go one and go to your fringe circle jerk!
- Rene Wirtz
For everyone else who reads this. I have agreed a while ago never to enter a reasonable debate with pitlord aka David C Cooper. because, well, he is, erm ... special. He proves it over and over by decontextualizing, placing words in other's mouths, all the while hypocritically saying he never meant any of those things. David C Cooper is an alien of the third kind and clearly not adjusted to life and reality on earth. I wish im dogspeed on his travels to his wonderful Neverneverland.
- Rene Wirtz
http://www.youtube.com/watch... -- this is what comes to mine...lol
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Rene and Denise, I'm sure the good people who read this thread can determine for themselves who is attempting to have a reasonable dialogue and who is name-calling. The real issue of this story is that the Obama administration has made disastrous miscalculations in their diplomatic efforts with Russia her neighbors in that part of the world. We have an opportunity to start moving this...
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- pitlord
Everyone forgets that the worlds fastest supercomputer at Lawrence-Livermore National Laboratory was built specifically to simulate nuclear explosions, doing away with the need to actualy test the things in Nevada.
- Roberto Bonini
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So that automatically qualifies me as a "bad" person...lol *rolls eyes* - I'm not Rene, I don't share a brain with him, nor do I defend him. He takes care of himself just fine - and believe it or not, he & I disagree on many points. I've seen you call names as much as you accuse others of calling you names - and I have not called you a name here. I have not attacked you...I have...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Denise, I may have misunderstood, but I believe you compared me to Dr. Seuss' "Mr. Grinch," which I would classify as name calling and defending Rene. If that was not your intent when you said, "http://www.youtube.com/watch... -- this is what comes to mine...lol - ProsePetals (aka Denise)" with the link pointing to the youtube clip of "You're a Mean One Mr. Grinch," I apologize.
- pitlord
Games of innuendo and plausible deniability are yours, it seems, not mine. You quoted what I said, yes...but nowhere in there did I call you a name or suggest that YOU were a grinch. LOL -- what I was actually referring to, if you must know (and even my kids could verify this, since I spoke to it afterward) was the difference between our politics. Look up Dr. Seuss sometime, and what...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
(oh, and for the record - The Grinch happens to be one of my favorite animated characters of all time...seeing how I consider myself to be "The Grinch" in many respects, coming from me, that wouldn't exactly be an insult anyway...if you follow)
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
MIT Study Debunks Climate Change Scam - http://www.agu.org/pubs...
This is a study that uses collected data and compares the actual effects of global warming as measured by satellites over 15 years.
- pitlord
YouTube - Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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When I heard about this video I came in from working just to share it. These are probably some of the most threatening developments with global implications ever in world history. This must be aired in public. Please share this with everyone you know.
- pitlord
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"Viscount Christopher Monckton of Brenchley provided an answer to a puzzling question: Why would an apparently intelligent man argue against the consensus of all but a few of the world's climate scientists? The answer: Whacked-out, far-right ideology, combined with an ego the size of the Antarctic ice sheet." http://www.theprovince.com/technol...
- Alejandro
Thank you Alejandro, for the perspective. *nod*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Alejandro, the number of scientist who disagree with Al Gore's flawed presentation of the global climate model FAR out numbers the list of those who support it: http://motls.blogspot.com/2008...
- pitlord
If you doubt how dangerous this is, why don't you read the treaty yourself? A draft of the treaty can be read here: http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documen... Page 18: Section 38 of the "Share vision for long-term cooperation action plan" contains the text for forming the new government. Page 40: Section 46 Subsection H of the "Objectives, scope, and guiding principles" contains the text for enforcement and establishment of the rule of law.
- pitlord
I'm presently asking those I know and trust, thx; I'll post back if/when I have nonpartisan-guided scientific info...for those who want THAT.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Well yeah, if you just look at page 18, sec. 38, without reading the rest of the page and realizing that the institution refers to the Conference of the Parties (sec. 35, alternative, option 2... I should mention that this doc is a draft, and therefore SUBJECT TO CHANGE), then you could see a new government forming. And yes, page 45, sec. 46, sub. H does state text for enforcement and...
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- Bette Cooper
This agreement, which Obama is preparing to sign, has several problems. For one thing it orders developed countried (like the U.S.) to provide money to undeveloped countries (i.e. tyrannical dictatorships and anarchies like Venezuela, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.). This is the redistribution of wealth that Obama fully supports in his radical Marxist vision of the world. This can be seen...
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- pitlord
Bette, the "Conference of the Parties" refers to the governing body that will be created by this treaty. So, if you like the idea that countries like the U.S. will be forced to obey the dictates and laws of this new governing body (Conference of the Parties) then you might want to support this treaty.
- pitlord
We would also be forced to allow unrestricted imports and immigration of foreign goods and services: "Recalling Article 3, paragraphs 1 and 5, and Article 4, paragraphs 3 and 7 of the Convention, developed country Parties shall not resort to any form of unilateral measures, including countervailing border measures, against goods and services imported from developing countries on the grounds of protection and stabilization of climate." (Annex I, Section 23)
- pitlord
Perhaps one of the worst aspects of Annex I is that it imposes a pollution "debt" upon "developed" nations and defines that debt as pollution that has occurred in "developed" nations since 1750. The biggest problem with this model is it tries to make pollution a form of currency. The results of this move might be very profitable for people like Al Gore and his "carbon credits" scam, but...
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- pitlord
Again, I say, you do realize that this is still a DRAFT of the potential document, right? If you know anything about drafts, you know that often what you start out with is NOT what you end up with. Right? Because according to that site at the end of the video, the draft of the doc is from August. And, to date, they've finalized nothing, and things may yet still come screeching to a...
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- Bette Cooper
Of course, I realize this is only a draft. Regardless of how they revise the language we need to understand the underlying intent, which is to create a global government that overrides our own Federal laws.
- pitlord
"14.[[The adaptation framework shall be catalytic and established based on following assumptions:] (v.) [[[Be legally binding, and] [Include] [legally-binding] provisions for ensuring the compliance of Annex II Parties with their financial commitments to support enhanced action on adaptation in developing countries] [Provisions for ensuring the compliance of developed country Parties...
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- pitlord
This little paragraph, buried in the middle of Annex II, is the crux of the matter. This would legally bind "developed" countries to paying for everything else under this contract.
- pitlord
This surrender of our nation's sovereignty supported by this little gem: "Commitments made by Annex I Parties to support implementation of the Adaptation Framework through financial and technology transfer shall be legally binding, with provisions for a [monitoring, reporting and verification] mechanism to ensure compliance." (Annex II, Section C, Paragraph 30 (p. 38))
- pitlord
Additionally, this treaty would impose both direct and indirect international taxes on all Americans above and beyond our Federal, State and Local taxes. "[Mandatory contributions from developed country Parties and other developed Parties included in Annex II should form the core revenue stream for meeting the cost of adaptation in conjunction with additional sources including share of proceeds from flexible mechanisms.]"( Annex II, Section C, Paragraph 41 and subparagraphs (p. 43))
- pitlord
Finally, Annex II provides a mechanism for Insurance Companies to reap huge profits by providing environmental disaster insurance to developing countries. Of course this insurance would be paid for by developed countries. Interestingly, Annex II is also the first place where we see a single continent identified by name as a "developing" party. That country is Africa. Up until now there...
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- pitlord
1 Of 8 Girls At Robeson High School Are Pregnant - cbs2chicago.com - http://cbs2chicago.com/local...
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The link to this story said "At One High School 115 Girls Are Pregnant." Before I clicked I thought, "I bet it's in Chicago." Guess what?
- pitlord
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There's that successful Abstinence Only til Marriage education at work again.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Oh really? Were these girls taught abstinence at Robeson High School?
- pitlord
LOL - way to miss the point (and the sarcasm). Unless, of course, you and I weren't existing in the same US between 2000 and 2008. *raised eyebrows*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How did I miss the point? You claimed that the pregnant girls at Robeson High School are an example of the "failure" of abstinence only education. I'm asking you if that is indeed the curriculum they were taught at that school over the last few years. I think we both know the answer to that question which is why you are being evasive.
- pitlord
Oh gawd, really? Where did I say that?! You are, again, twisting words - which you are notorious for doing. If you want me to dig into specifics (which I didn't), I'm pretty sure I could answer it - and that it would support my SARCASTIC response, given the push for AOUM at the FEDERAL level.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
The question is officially out, now, to some friends in Chicago related to AOUM education in Illinois. I'll get back with you on the answers I get.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@ProsePetals, Can't trust pitlord just like Fox News! ;)
- Mark Layton
@Mark - *chuckle* You know, I rarely defend David, but I will say that he & I have had some productive discussions in the past. One thing to "trust" him...another thing to know that he seems to believe what he posts, so in fairness, I take him at face value, and respond as honestly as I can. Sometimes I go knee-jerk with the snark, but I own that up front. Whatever I find out from my...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Aaaaaaaaaaand, the initial results are in. From one friend, I am told that yes, Illinois was and is a state that accepts federal funding for AOUM. "...abstinence-only education is the norm; comprehensive sex education is not required." I am waiting for word back from my other friends and from my older sister who lives just outside of Chicago. But in the meantime - this site shows which...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Continuing: Next comment: "Between the years 1991 to 2005, the time period when sex education was a norm in high schools, teen pregnancies were on the decline. Only until after Abstinence Only was pushed on the schools has there been an increase in teen pregnancies (girls 15-19)." From Tuscaloosanews forums. To lower teen pregnancy rates, older children must be educated about sex and...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Of course, I will still post when I get the other answers, but the reality is that I've already answered (*part of*) the question related to Robeson High. There are, of course, other factors involved, but the question of AOUM veracity is answered quite roundly. You, I am fairly certain, will disagree for reasons you & I disagree about this subject, no matter how much evidence you're presented with--but who knows? You might surprise me.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Here are a few things I was able to find on teh interwebs: "As we were researching the topic, we realized that Chicago Public Schools did not have an implemented comprehensive plan for teaching Sex Ed." (http://apps.wbez.org/blog...) "What Robeson does have is this teen parenting class. David Robinson is talking with a dozen or so student parents during their lunch break. It’s part...
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- pitlord
Indeed, David - and that is one of those factors to which I was referring. This is a glaring example of the need for comprehensive sex ed, rather than the spiral of saying "Don't Do It" - which has been proven a failure - and we wind up with a upward spiraling trend of teen moms, who the school rightly doesn't want to see throw away their educations - so they are "forced" to offer a...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
The point is that the schools are NOT being "forced" to provide anything. In fact, if anything, these school programs actually reward teens for getting pregnant! I suspect that the flaw in the abstinence only programs is on the part of educators who don't believe in the program and are either unable to adequately address the subject or are actively working to undermine the curriculum...
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- pitlord
Uhm, David - in states like Mississippi, the educators are in FULL support of AOUM education. Yet the teen pregnancy rates there are the highest in the nation. There are areas where you & I actually agree on this subject, interestingly. As to parental consent for abortion - you strike me as a responsible parent who is involved and not abusive. Unfortunately, in cases where that is not...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
It's interesting that Illinois accepts funding for Abstinence Only programs in light of this quote: JK: In researching and producing this program – what have you found interesting about the way Illinois approaches Sex-Ed? AA: It’s a part of the curriculum that’s left in the hands of individual schools, their principals and their teachers. CPS says they train teachers but there doesn’t appear to be consensus on what’s taught, who teaches it and at what age." (http://apps.wbez.org/blog...)
- pitlord
I suppose in Chicago the kind of corruption that would allow educators to accept funding for one program and still teach opposing programs is just par for the course. I'm sure glad our President wasn't gleaned from Chicago politcs. Oh, snap! >.>
- pitlord
*raised eyebrows* No, that wasn't an "oh snap" moment - that was a complete disconnect. Trying to "blame Obama" for this simply because the focus on Chicago is the case *in this situation* undercuts the national problem related to AOUM education - to which we can look at the previous administration and say, "Gee thanks, Dubbie"...
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
anothert epic fail for 'abstinecne only' sorta like that famous one up in Alaska in that perfect family
- WarLord
"Oh, snap!" - I guess the duct tape that keeps your brain from falling apart just snapped loose - explains so much *sigh*
- Rene Wirtz
David- you are a fucking retard trying to connect what happened in this Chicago school to Obama. There is no connection, no way no how, it's only in your deluded mind. It's the same as saying that because Bushie failed as an owner of a baseball team, he also failed as a president ... oh wait ... /sarcasm
- Rene Wirtz
Notice, I did not "blame" Obama for this I merely pointed out that he too is a product of the same liberally biased political corruption that created this mess. From the link I posted I think it is quite clear that Robeson High School did not exclusively teach an "abstinence only" program, in fact they had a rather laissez-faire policy about what kind of sex ed program was taught. I suppose it's no surprise that their students exhibited the same attitude about sex.
- pitlord
Ultimately, David, YOUR job is to raise your children in the best way you believe to be correct. Passing any kind of judgment is kinda pointless, when it comes down to it. I used the "blame Obama" route because that is the one you U&C go, when in fact, the problem does rest in AOUM ed. with respect to this subject. This, amigo, is the subject of my dissertation. I have never claimed a...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
The reality is that teens will have sex regardless of what you tell them because it is a natural part of growing up. Simply fobbing them off with "don't do it" and "your virginity is sacred" crap will never overcome hormones and genetic programming. Ever. The only thing you can do is to educate them, tell them fully and no holds barred what is involved with sex, the various types of...
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- alphaxion
@alphaxion: I agree completely. This is the basis of my approach with my own kids. I don't mix terms, I don't use cutesiepoo pictorials. I give them the raw facts (age-appropriate). This is what this means, this is what *that* means. I do NOT approve of x-y-z (with the understanding that my approval - to a teenager - is irrelevant), but HERE is how you protect and respect yourself...AND...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Exactly. If you treat them with respect instead of being condescending and shrouding things under a taboo, you're likely to have your info sink in. Acting as though sex is something they shouldn't know about and is only for adults in a certain situation will lead to tears. Also, I despise this notion that the words penis and vagina are somehow rude. Is there some form of lobotomy that...
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- alphaxion
I grew up in an *extremely* fundamentally evangelical household. Penis & vagina were considered "adult" words. I didn't know what the hell a period was until I'd been having one for THREE years. I thought I was sinning or being dirty somehow. Talk about fucked up. Swear words? Pffft. Kids KNOW. Sex? They KNOW. They know more than most adults give them credit for. So why pretend...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I remember dismantling the doorhandle as a teenager to prevent my parents from catching me since my doors never had locks on them. ;) I remember discovering my parents were still sexual creatures when I was about 7 or so by finding a box of condoms in the house and figuring out what they were for. Try asking your kids if they've uncovered anything odd in the house, you'll be amazed at...
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- alphaxion
Alphaxion, the only think I really disagree with is your premise that "teens will have sex." I suspect you know better because you contradict that very statement when you say, "the actual incidence of sex is much lower than claimed." I would agree that teens will discover their sexuality regardless of what we tell them and that the parent's job is to answer their questions as frankly...
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- pitlord
incidence is meant in the context of the volume of sex. Teens will brag that they're shagging 5 times a week when in fact they might have just had sex the once 2 months ago, tho yes some are not having sex at all. But that doesn't change the fact that teens as a group are certainly having sex, always had sex and will continue to have sex in the future. They do still have sex and my...
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- alphaxion
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What is a fascist? - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
And yet the question still remains…
- pitlord
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fascism: autarkic, anti-democratic, anti-free speech, authoritarian, chauvinist, collectivist, corporatist, ethnocentric, messianic, militaristic, nationalist, oligarchic, plutocratic, pro-police state, violent, xenophobic. In other words, fascism closely resembles in important respects the neoconservative/Christian Zionist alliance that dominated the Bush 43 administration.
- Sean McBride
AFP: Majority of Nobel jury 'objected to Obama prize' - http://www.google.com/hostedn...
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I wonder what (or who) changed their minds. >.>
- pitlord
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What an incredibly misleading headline. ""Each year, we start with many candidates and many different points of view and agree as the discussions move along. This year was no exception," Lundestad commented Thursday." and "The choice for Obama was however strongly supported by committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland and Sissel Roenbeck, both representatives of the Labour Party."
- Jason Wehmhoener
"...Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, who represented the right-wing populist Progress Party on the committee, led the way in objecting to the choice of Obama because she questioned his ability to keep his promises, the newspaper said. It also said the representative of the Conservative Party, Kaci Kullmann Five, and Aagot Valle, the representative of the Socialist Left, had objections.... The newspaper quotes Ytterhorn and Five as saying they both supported the committee's final decision."
- MikeAmundsen
See what I mean, there is no explanation about why they changed their minds.
- pitlord
*is amused that a tabloid is being treated like real news*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
"The committee was unanimous," its influential secretary Geir Lundestad told AFP on Friday. I guess that's the money quote, they deliberated and result was a unanimous vote to award Obama the Nobel and your point is???
- WarLord
Total non-event, David, keep this crap to yourself.
- Rene Wirtz
I agree, Rene, the Nobel Peace prize has become a total non-event thanks to the award going to people like Obama. I'm amused at the people who are trying to justify this award when the majority of the human race on planet earth are ROFL. ^^
- pitlord
Not what I meant, David, but whatever ... I find it amusing that people like you are considered part of the human race.
- Rene Wirtz
So, now you're an anti-semite, Rene? "people like you!?!?" You're a racist. Please just go away. You obviously hate America and American values, so find a part of the world that you don't hate and go there.
- pitlord
So pitlord is it, he's black he's unqualified? Democratic party makes him unworthy? Just not an old white neo-con? I'm betting its mostly the black thing....
- WarLord
How the fuck do you come to the conclusion that I am an anti-semite, you fool? Just because you're Jewish and I don't like you? Again, you are trying to twist something to fit your bizarre need for attention. You are a disgrace to the human race and not because you are Jewish (I couldn't care less if you were a Jew, a Muslim, a black dude or a purple one), but because you are one of...
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- Rene Wirtz
And your moral values are despicable and virtually non-existing, my moral fiber is a lot stronger and sophisticated than yours could ever aspire to be. And no, I don't hate Americans, far from it, I just have a very strong disliking to those ones that are stuck in cavemen-mode, like you are.
- Rene Wirtz
@WarLord: pitlord (aka David C Cooper) calls me a racist, but here he is, on his high horse in the US hating black people and arab people and calling me a racist. He is the prime example of what Fox News caters to: gullible people who are racist and like having guns. Everything and everyone else are filthy communists and should go live somewhere else. He is pathetic. At one point I...
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- Rene Wirtz
@David: you said, "the Nobel Peace prize has become a total non-event thanks to the award going to people like Obama" - LOL! Really? Suddenly, an internationally recognized award is given to a person for whom YOU hold disregard, and that makes the award a non-event? Wow, that is a whole new level of sour grapes.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Rene, once again you open the flood gates of your filth and hatred because you completely fail at any semblance of civil discourse, you fail at intelligent rhetoric and you fail at life. This little tirade of vile insults is your modus operandi. The only reason you bothered to respond to this thread is because you hate the fact that half of the planet is laughing at your false messiah right now and you can't comprehend why he's becoming as much of a failure as the idiots who elected him.
- pitlord
Denise, you are entitled to your opinion but the fact remains that the world is laughing at the "peace" prize which has been awarded to people like Yassar Arafat, Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama when in reality these people have worked, and in the latter cases are still working, to incite conflict and strife around the globe. What makes this a non-event is not MY reaction but the resulting global guffaws at the absurdity of Obama being awarded this prize.
- pitlord
@David: yes, and I have told you exactly why I don't converse with you in a normal fashion, because all you do is try to browbeat me and if I don't comply to your needs you decontextualize everything I say to make it the opposite of what I say. You are a tool, a pliable tool in the hands of the propaganda machine of Fox News and the former fascist government. As to Obama winning the...
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- Rene Wirtz
David, you have one of the most narrow perspectives of the "world" as I have ever seen - and that is not in any way an exaggeration or a disparagement. You read, seemingly, only those publications that agree with your narrow perspective - and THIS one is a tabloid. *raised eyebrows* A *TABLOID*, David. It's not even news. I've spoken with (not read about but spoken with) numerous people...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
David -- are you a supporter of the JIDF?
- Sean McBride
Rene, the only reason I keep commenting to you is to see if you are dense enough to continue shoving your foot down your throat. The more you insult me the more my argument is validated. Since you actually made an argument in your last post allow me to respond here are some of the people in the world who are "congratulating Obama."...
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- pitlord
Denise this story was sourced from Google News originated from the AFP. How you can call Google, a company that has unabashedly supported Obama from the beginning, a tabloid is beyond me. In fact, Google seems to be doing everything in their power to manipulate the public record in Obama's favor. Try to do a Google search about anything disparaging to Barack Hussein Obama and you will...
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- pitlord
Sean, your question is off topic, but yes I am in favor of the JIDF.
- pitlord
The question is very much on topic in terms of explaining your politics: the JIDF was inspired by Meir Kahane and is a Kahanist organization; it's an extremist group, and most Kahanist groups are officially designated as terrorist groups by governments around the world -- including the Israeli and American governments. Your attacks on Barack Obama are coming from the same ideological...
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- Sean McBride
Sean, you're an idiot. The JIDF was inspired by the prevalence of Jewish hate groups on Facebook and was formed exclusively to raise awareness of their existence and to pressure Facebook to enforce their own TOS and remove said groups.
- pitlord
David -- David Appletree has expressed his admiration for Meir Kahane on several occasions, and has explicitly stated that the JIDF was inspired by Kahane. His views are virtually indistinguishable from Kahane's.
- Sean McBride
David -- do you believe in censoring your political opponents on Facebook and on the Internet in general?
- Sean McBride
Where did I say "I agree" - or that I spoke with people with whom I'm in agreement? Did you ever read my response to the award? The answer to that question, David, is clearly no. Because my response was mixed. Your assumption that I unabashedly and/or unreservedly support Obama is deeply flawed...because it's an assumption at all without ever having asked the question of whether or not...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
David: JIDF quote: "Furthermore, why aren't more Jews discussing the inherent antisemitism in Islam, or for that matter, Christianity."
- Sean McBride
David: another JIDF quote: "No trait is more justified than revenge in the right time and place." -Rabbi Meir Kahane
- Sean McBride
Sean, forgive me if I don't take your word for David Appletree's admiration of Kahane. I'm sure you've taken his comment on the matter completely out of context. That said, there are many things that Meir Kahane said that are worthy of admiration. I have to agree with your JIDF quote, "Furthermore, why aren't more Jews discussing the inherent antisemitism in Islam, or for that matter,...
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- pitlord
David -- I didn't take his quote out of context -- and there are other quotes like it. Appletree is also a friend of Myspace.com's Rabbi Meir Kahane page. But I see now that you are also an admirer of Rabbi Meir Kahane -- no surprise there. Kahane and his followers have vented hate speech against both Islam and Christianity. Does it concern you to be associated with a terrorist...
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- Sean McBride
David: another JIDF quote: "JStreet is a bigger enemy to the Jewish people than I ever imagined. JStreet and Obama are clearly in bed together." Isn't it clear that JIDF defines Barack Obama as "an enemy of the Jewish people"? More from the JIDF: "I believe Jimmy Carter hates Jews, supports Islamic terrorists, and seeks the destruction of Israel." More: "Hence, this is why one does not engage with Amalek. We eradicate Amalek." Sounds like a threat, doesn't it?
- Sean McBride
David -- do you support censoring your political opponents? Isn't that what JIDF is all about, when it isn't making threats or venting hate speech against Muslims, Christians and an endless list of "enemies," including American presidents?
- Sean McBride
Sean, it may surprise you that there are quotes from Hamas and Hizbollah with which I agree. That doesn't make me a supporter or an associate. JStreet is no friend of the Jewish people and have demonstrated themselves to be little more than a support organization for terrorists. Amalek? You have a problem with a Biblical command to eradicate an enemy that no longer exists? JIDF has...
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- pitlord
David -- "Amalek" is a code word which Kahanists, like yourself, use to demonize and attack anyone who disagrees with them about Israeli or Jewish issues. JIDF nicely demonstrates the use of the term in his voluble Twitter stream. With regard to "the Jewish people" -- 78% of them voted for Barack Obama. Why do you and the JIDF pretend to be speaking for "a people," most of whom...
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- Sean McBride
(Rene cracked up at that accusation, actually...I won't "defend" Rene cos he can take care of himself quite well, but given how well I know him - I will simply say - if Rene's antisemitic, then I'm the Pope. LOL)
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
if this is the best you got, seriously you need a nap and a couple aspirin and Keilorhttp://www.salon.com/opinion...
- WarLord
@David: I can shove my foot pretty far down my own throat, but you keep one-upping me every single comment you make. You are so disconnected and disjointed from reality that you will even try to prove me wrong if I said the sky was blue or the grass green or snow white. You are hilarious and you have given me countless moments of much needed (point-and-)laughter. Stay the course, because the more I laugh the longer I will live.
- Rene Wirtz
David is one of the few "conservatives" on Friendfeed who has the balls to engage in some dialogue with his political adversaries. I hope he hangs in there and continues to express himself.
- Sean McBride
@Sean: I think expressing is good, and I don't mind. But, he is not just expressing, he is forcefeeding everyone else his truth, which is nothing more than a personal opinion based in total misinformation. In other words, his balls are on his forehead. And yes, that is my arrogant opinion, but I am not forcefeeding anyone my opinion.
- Rene Wirtz
international anything has no respect. the Nobel prize is a joke, but so in the U.N. three more years of this and I'm pretty sure if we are still alive the U.N. will be banished from NYC
- Noah David Simon
Rene -- oh, I agree completely -- but the process is enlightening. Most of the "conservatives" here are afraid to provide any insights into their thought processes at all -- I suspect they are unable to string more than two or three sentences together at a time.
- Sean McBride
There are times I find David's comments distasteful (particularly in the ME policy topics, which I avoid), but I have enjoyed engaging with him on subjects and have found the occasional salient point. I agree, Sean, at least he has the cajones to stick around. *nod*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Denise -- since he's greatly outnumbered here, he deserves special credit in the cajones department. Actually, he doesn't strike me as a bad person -- just someone who needs to deprogram himself and reboot.
- Sean McBride
I'm quite busy today so I don't have a lot of time for debate but I wanted to at least make a comment. Sean, you barely managed to link your comment to the topic so I'll let you slide this time. One point, 78% of Jewish voters may have voted for Obama (and that figure is debatable especially with the voter fraud we're finding out about with ACORN), but that does not represent the vast...
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- pitlord
Thank you to everyone who has complimented my willingness to engage in these debates in spite of my being out numbered. Personally, the reason I think there aren't more conservatives engaging in these discussion has more to do with their personal priorities. I know that I really don't have enough time for these debates and I always wish I had more time to refute all of the faulty arguments presented, but then real life smacks me in the back of the head and I have to get back to work.
- pitlord
David: to cut to the quick: 1. You don't speak for the Jewish people -- no one does. Jewish culture is highly diverse and complex, with much healthy internal dissension. How absurd would it be for anyone to claim to speak for "the Christian people" or "the Irish people"? The only appropriate response to that kind of inflated rhetoric is please, turn it down a notch. 2. If you support...
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- Sean McBride
David: You're welcome. I don't honestly believe that conservatives are any "more busy" than progressives. We all have lives to live. :) I think that it's in part because you care about what you believe in, in part because you're unafraid to battle on behalf of your views, in part because you enjoy the challenge, and in part because you're just as insane as the rest of the population in...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Bedouin Town Plans to Expel Illegal Arabs: 'They are a Nuisance' - Inside Israel - Israel News - Israel National News - http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News...
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Arabs are inciting Arabs in Israel?
- pitlord
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Isn't the emphasis here on ILLEGAL, not Arabs per se?
- Sean McBride
Incredible Time-Lapse Graffiti by Blu and David Ellis - http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/feature...
Foreclosures hit record in third quarter 2009 - Oct. 15, 2009 - http://money.cnn.com/2009...
"Despite concerted government-led and lender-supported efforts to prevent foreclosures, the number of filings hit a record high in the third quarter, according to a report issued Thursday." More evidence that Obama's stimulus plan completely FAILS.
- pitlord
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Inside the Ring - Washington Times - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
Great, now Obama is accelerating the Clinton era tradition of selling our military secrets to China.
- pitlord
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Discovery of ‘magnetricity’ marks advance in physics - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
CAIR spent $160,000 to silence Savage - http://www.wnd.com/index...
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"Now we have proof – from the secret documents that this investigative team has uncovered, coupled with the ones recently declassified by the FBI – that [radical Islamists] agents living among us have a plan in place, and they are successfully carrying out that subversive plan"
- pitlord
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House Republicans accuse Muslim group of trying to plant spies - TheHill.com - http://thehill.com/homenew...
"Citing the book, Myrick requested that the Justice Department share with all lawmakers and their chiefs of staff an executive summary of the findings that led the department to name CAIR as a co-conspirator in an anti-terrorism case."
- pitlord
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Suppressed Bush-Era Finding on Global Warming Released - Political News - FOXNews.com - http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
FOX News critical of a Republican? o.o
- pitlord
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