I'm still trying to figure out Friend Feed! Between you and Scoble....I keep getting sent here, but even this computer savy person is having trouble figure it out!
- Hummie
Lists!! create lists dammit Bwana beat me to it!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
middle mouse click appears to pause refreshes too
- You.
list just means more work, and categorizing people. i only have 4 people in my faves.. why would u force me to make lists? i like everyone in a big giant pile. equal..
- Caroline
Ok, regarding lists. I have a list for my all time favorite posters. And some lists based on different subject areas. The majority of people though, in my home feed, are those that I have no reason to put in one list or another. Am I just to pick 100 random people and put them in "Home list 1" and so forth? Wondering how others are dividing it out.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
It would be a lot more efficient to have a "move to list" or "add to list" button or link right on each message next to the user's name. You could select one list as the destination list, which would be where the move or add function moved or added them to until you selected a different destination.
- Chuck Baggett
"True. I think there are probably competing interests there at Amazon in that respect. On the one hand, they realize that they need to pare down their offerings to maximize their mainstream appeal... they're quickly becoming the goto for most purchases online. Brick and mortar retailers are dropping like flies. They also have an ethos of open-ness. You can buy and sell *anything* on Amazon. They're pretty much built on that. Given their size and their ethos, though, it's got to be a tough balancing act. I don't envy them."
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Good piece Mark, I just retweeted too.
- Gary Bacon II
I know. It's me sharing an item from Scoble, and it says it's me. That's something either that has to get updated, or that we should get used to.
- Louis Gray
My lunch hour has extended beyond the norm... I was fine when I didn't open the beta :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - so did your lunch hour become lunch afternoon?! ;)
- Susan Beebe
Jody, don't confuse the distribution and the end result. Amazon-Tivo drives the downfall of broadcast television (note the headline: traditional media medium...not viewing video on a large screen)
- Duncan Riley
While notable that if television continued to desperately cater to an online audience its future would probably be doomed, with an online presence (and if successful, the first of many) catering to television's audience its future is much more bright than printed newspapers or broadcast radio, which have no such bridge to modern media. Amazon-Tivo brings more advertising to the medium,...
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- jcunwired
Jody, you're not understanding me. Amazon isn't in broadcast television. It's in digital distribution, TiVo is a way to deliver its digital content to more people. Bezos IS investing in a winning proposition, the shift from broadcast television to on demand or customized content. Bezos knows that the switch from broadcast TV to content on demand is on and that those who build numbers now have the most to gain in the future
- Duncan Riley
Duncan - I totally get what you're saying, and you're right. :)
- Sean McBride
I have been TRYING to innovate with http://Free.TV for 8 years and i still do no see change
- Ric Johnson
TV is not innovating in the face of the competition from web. So I think tv will fall much before newspapers, radio etc
- Sidharth Dassani
Looks like a lot better design than the Kindle. But Kindle is the one I'm holding out for because of the tight ties to Amazon and the ability to buy a book anywhere over its cell modem.
- Robert Scoble
Sony Reader to me has a better user experience. Easier to hold, navigate, and has great page clarity. Kindle is a bit clunky, feels like cheap plastic, and you basically can't help but accidently press a button on it. If the Sony Reader had EVDO built in. Wow.
- Gary Bacon II
This is great news. I hope this will lead to better support for Mac users. Right now, you're out of luck without a Windows box.
- Chris Baskind
I am DYING for a mobile bookreader to read the gigs of PDF medical/science texts *I already have*. I am not interested in making another version (and subsequent loss) for a proprietary format. I heard Sony's PDF native capabilities abysmal, but that may have changed in a firmware update, not sure. There are so many media players out there--why so few edocument readers? I'd love the...
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- Enrico C.
from twhirl
The first reader to have strong support for PDF and CHM files gets my support.
- Alvin Ashcraft
The sony reader looks really nice. Form is important, especially if it is really bad. The Kindle reminded me of some of my kids toys. It is hard to be taken seriously with that type of perception.
- Rob Diana
Enrico: same here, a PDF reader is just what I need for my job reading scientific papers easily. The Kimdle is too plasticky for me it looks like an Etch-a-sketch toy
- Sally Church
from fftogo
i'mwaiting to see the second kindle, and hoping the design changes a bit
- Kyle A Koch
I'm also anxiously waiting for Kindle 2 to come out, supposedly around October.
- imabonehead
I think that when Apple comes out with this Macbook Touch I've been hearing about, it will be the reader we all want. They really need to make it possible to skip ahead to certain a page or remember your last page when reading PDFs on the iPod Touch and iPhone. Especially since Safari is so crashy, when I open the doc back up, I don't want to spend 10 minutes scrolling back to where I was only to have it crash again 10 minutes later.
- Ernie Oporto
I don't care for the phone, but I find timelines like these very to be very cool.
- Louie
if you'd told me in 1999 that I'd be posting comments from a phone made by Apple, I would have literally laughed in your face :)
- Roger Benningfield
Louie: agreed @Roger: the trademark was registered in 2002. '02! crazy
- Mona Nomura
I'd already forgotten about the legal tussle with Cisco over the name "iPhone".
- Hutch Carpenter
2002 doesn't seem crazy to me, the iPod had already been out a year and a lot of people were writing that someday all that would be on mobile phones. Still, registering iPhone.org in 1999, well before the first iPod! Crazy. And Crazy smart too!
- Robert Seidman
Cisco lawsuit was either an attempt to make money off of the recently announced product... or... they had no idea of the trademark being filed in '02... and had just caught wind.
- Gary Bacon II
I like how the timeline gives you a picture of things that you didn't notice. It's like seeing how a military strategy was played out. Slipping in trademarks through other companies and abroad are like silently moving troops to the flanks. Muy interesante.
- Louie
Too bad all my FF peeps don't thinks so... Don't sleep!
- Mona Nomura
@Mona funny your blog is called pixel bits -- my website is pixelbud.com :P
- Gary Bacon II
I have it and only use it to communicate mostly with people I have met while traveling. That's actually the only I got on it in the first place too. I ignore those applications.
- Justin Korn
LOL @Mona -- Yes, that is my real last name. Just like the food.
- Gary Bacon II
OMG GARY are you single?! will you marry me? Mona Bacon the II !!!!! <333
- Mona Nomura
...i think i scared the poor guy LOL
- Mona Nomura
@Mona, no I'm here. lol. And am single :P
- Gary Bacon II
i've pretty much abandoned it. just friendfeeding now.
- joshua fouts
I am OBSESSED with bacon... sorry, got a little excited
- Mona Nomura
Define use. I connect with friends who are just finding Facebook. Essentially, I'm on FB so I am still connected to the early and late majority crowd.
- AJ Kohn
I still use Facebook but I block a lot of applications, one of which is not the FriendFeed application. :-) PS: I want to attend the wedding of Mona and Mr. Bacon. Just sayin'.
- Lisa L. Seifert
You two gotta hook up. Like, now. This planet needs more Bacons! Hmmmmm, bacon......
- Vincent X
Mona Bacon II. THE 2nd!! My name will have roman numerals omg wow wow wow wow wow
- Mona Nomura
@Vincent @Mona lol. See @l0ckergn0me what you did! :P
- Gary Bacon II
I didn't think the wife would have the roman numerals too. Interestings... never thought about it. lol.
- Gary Bacon II
Mona Bacon the II -sigh- I'm writing it over and over in a notebook right now <3
- Mona Nomura
I should IM chris pirillo about this convo lol
- Gary Bacon II
I let apps like twitter, Friendfeed and last.fm update my FB page so I don't actaully have to go there. Oh and I dump all that hugging and loving and biting etc. crap too.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
@todd the new Facebook hides the Friendfeed updates. It only says " Gary had activity on Friendfeed " which is now a new FAIL.
- Gary Bacon II
...and I don't have my FF feeds integrated in FB. It's too 'noisy' for my real friends who don't understand my SNSing LOL
- Mona Nomura
I log in from time to time for good karma
- jcunwired
@Mona -- I am... and I hate the new Facebook design.
- Gary Bacon II
Plenty of people still use it. I was forced to join because an organization I'm in uses it exclusively for group communication. Before that I was against any kind of those social networking sites. If you're a student, it's no secret that FB dominates every campus out there, so you've got to use it. FF is just a speck on the map, that some of the bigger geeks have come to endorse.
- Louie
I'm a student. FB is as important as a cell phone to us.
- Phillip Jeffrey
Facebook app on the iPhone is AMAZING.
- Gary Bacon II
welll put it like this...of all the people i know on facebook, i'm the only one who uses friendfeed - unfortunately...
- Simon Hicks
I use Facebook, but just to contact people I can't reach with other easier ways.
- Daniel Schildt
I love Facebook because all of my non-IT friends are on there. It's the only way I can communicate with them! But as for the app invites... most of them are useless. I've been ignoring invites for a while now.. And only install useful apps, like the Friendfeed one. There's also a very useful app that stars Chris. ;)
- Daynah
Totally dude, a great way to keep in touch with your friends.
- Richie Keith
There are some cool stairways in a co-housing development where I often go for meetings, in downtown Oakland. People in the individual units have done some great things with stairs. Wish I had photos, but not sure they would want me to photograph their living units. I might ask.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yes - I forgot to credit you. Sorry!
- Leo Laporte
Kraftwerk threw me for a loop. That seriously rocks except...3 people left in the world know Kraftwerk these days.
- Candace
very cool site - daft punk & pulp fiction theme were first for me & i saw chris post it original so credit too (cross posted to appstore room as well)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
NO need, dude - have you tried it directly on the iPhone yet? Not sure if it works that way or not.
- l0ckergn0me
A prime example of Internet behavior that my mom would never understand, yet seems only natural to me.
- Bradley McSpinn
must.resist.urge.to.call.and.pitch.startup.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Given the nature of Robert's message here, that'd be rather tasteless.
- Bradley McSpinn
It is true. I very rarely get calls on the cell phone # on the blog. Then again, I am a midget compared to the man, Robert Scoble.
- Louis Gray
Louis, you're no midget! You've got a rep and a half. Heck i'm calling you now...
- Zee.
And I can add that if you are reasonably constructuve, then RS does listen.
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
do people still make non-business calls to people (outside of family)? I text everyone because I have limited minutes on mobile.
- Phillip Jeffrey
I text more than I talk, but not because of limited minutes. I have 2400/month and use maybe 300. I just don't have the need for very many vocal conversations. Those 300 are almost entirely business calls that simply had to be done voice to voice.
- Bradley McSpinn
I suppose I'm still careful about my privacy. I don't give my number out freely at all. My number isn't ever posted on my site or TGM's site.
- Candace
Oddly, mine is posted on my Facebook. But honestly, the only people who can see it are people who would already have it.
- Bradley McSpinn
I miss the extra information of presence using the phone and find it frustrating to waste my time trying to connect. I don't leave voice mails and never check mine. I use text messages for my offline friends to check availability and otherwise just touch base via IM before doing voice.
- simonpure
Robert, one thing I wanted to ask you 4 sometie. Since you are "very very" online as well as ur info including ur phone no as u say.Now have u never been harassed because of its misuse? Since overt contact details online leaves you open to various Internet frauds, hacking , phishing and harassment?
- Arjun
@Arjun I don't think overt contact details really leave you open to fraud, hacking, phishing etc. If you are going to be subjected to those activities, it will happen regardless of how transparent your information is. Most fraud occurs from users' own ignorance of electronic communication and standards. Ignorance leads to susceptibility.
- Sally Robinson
This is one of the many reasons I <3 Robert Scoble. Yes, I have his number programmed into my phone. Have a ever used it? No. Will I ever use it? Only if I need to, or if I find myself at the Ritz Carlton HMB with a spare drink or two for him and Maryam. ;-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
I think the majority of startups and PR agencies kind of realize that giving a call to pitch a startup is the last thing they should do after everything else proves not to work at all. And if nothing else works, probably they also realize calling the VVP (very visible person - new term just coined) won't work either.
- Svetlana Gladkova
I called Scoble a couple of times and he answered the phone! He is a real uy that take the time to listen. He UNDERSTANDS the social
- Ric Johnson
I ripped that idea off from Robert years ago, and though I get calls, it's rarely crazy, and almost never unwelcome. And years ago, when we did the first PodCamp, I couldn't believe how nervous I was to call Robert. He was so easy going. Now that I've known him a few years, what else would I have expected?
- Chris Brogan
cowbells? We don't need no stinkin' cowbells.
- Don Martelli
from twhirl
OMG, I may have to buy an iPhone just for this! Does it have Christopher Walken cheering you on? I've got a FEVA and the only perscription is more iPhone.
- Christian Anderson
Why do I block? Certainly not to silence my critics. Like you can control a critic anyway...I block to keep jerks out of my living room and on the "everyone" tab where they belong. I also block jerks because if they aren't constructive I figure they really would be better off reading/viewing someone else.
Precisely. I can't control what they say, but I can certainly control what I have to deal with reading.
- Bradley McSpinn
...someone else. Oh, and I do block some that keep dragging the jerks into my view. My attitude has improved 100x since I don't see them here every morning.
- Robert Scoble
@morton Does that work? I certainly don't follow everyone who follows me but only block those who are obvious spammers. Once they're "out of sight, out of mind" I don't really care if Twitter keeps their accounts open or not, but it'd be nice to think that spammers are dealt with appropriately.
- Sally Robinson
If you didn't block, you'd end up pulling a Calacanis and retiring from FF
- Jason Kintzler
I think blocking is appropriate... like that comment thread I got into the other day on your blog. At some point as these social tools mature, we, as users, have to develope methods to filter the noise. Unfortunately, there are a small minority of people in the world who make a lot of bad noise and disrupt the conversation. On my blog I wrote about Cyber Bullying......
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- Herschel
this is why I can't chat on message boards anymore!
- orionstarr
Sally: I'm not sure but I've heard that Twitter does look into accounts that are blocked by lots of users. I only block obvious spammers too, i.e. those who started Twitter accounts just to promote a get-rich-quick website.
- Morton Fox
There is a danger though that in an emotional moment you will block someone who is a valid critic and you should be listening to. My attitude is block with extreme caution. I use killfiles on nntp but every once in a while I delete them and start from scratch to make sure the trolls are still trolls (if they are even still there). There is no easy way to find out who you have blocked on FF though.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: believe me valid critics are still well represented in my living room. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: No doubt but are there also valid critics in your block list?
- Brian Sullivan
It's a fairly reasonable 'live and let live' attitude, I think.
- Phil G
@Brian Perhaps you've come up with a new FF feature. Adding a block duration (hours, days, months, forever). Might be useful, especially if the blocked person knows they are being blocked temporarily. A digital version of shunning. :-)
- Jim McCusker
I get the impression that most of us have only blocked a handful of people. I've blocked exactly 3. I'd like to think that we all have good, well-thought-out reasons to block. Like Robert said, I want to keep jerks out of my living room. For me to block another user, they have to really want it.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
I'm not sure "live and let live" is exactly the solution. I don't think anyone with an open mind is afraid of respectful criticism. It's when "critics" go beyond the issues and get personal is when the line gets crossed. I'm without no sin on this sometimes and I find in responding to attacks I can respond with passion and that can lead to personal attacking.
- Herschel
Brian: no. A reasonable critic isn't a jerk and/or doesn't try to bring one into my world.
- Robert Scoble
I find myself concerned that Scoble has blocked me even though I am a nice guy hehe :0 Great post Robert, I like it and will block people if I ever get enough people to care and follow me. I think we are all figuring out that we have some responsibility to control the noise using our mouse and keyboard and that the system (twitter or ff or whatever) is not entirely responsible for controllling it for us. Thank God for editing comments
- Cody Heitschmidt
Robert: Everybody acts like a jerk at some point in their life (I am sure even you have at some point).
- Brian Sullivan
Brian you miss the point (my opinion) and take the conversation down a dismal path... Scoble is not saying every time someone could possible be considered a jerk... He blocks them, he is saying he enjoys the oppurtunity to be able to decide in his own friend feed world that someone is a jerk and get rid of their noise. Same thing as having a home. We all love our home because we control it, I can invite Robert Scoble over if I want and if when he comes I don't like him... I don't invite him again.
- Cody Heitschmidt
Cody: exactly. Plus I still see the jerks on ego searches on the everyone tab.
- Robert Scoble
You hit the Everyone tab? Don't think I've ever used that, to be honest.
- Bradley McSpinn
my fav shows r where you are yourself. um think huell howser. for tech :) http://www.calgold.com/ appreciate your work! keep it up!editing this to add that suits r awesome but not always needed as you make us feel comfortable when you are comfortable! thanks again!
- Tanya
Blocking is perfect for when you need to filter out the negative crap from FF. I second Scoble's use of it! yeah for FriendFeed block feature!! keep the jerks, trolls out of my life - thank you very much. :*)
- Susan Beebe
excellent points, I might try that! Grazie
- Danny Bo'itanni
Blocking is cool. Freedom of speech doesn't imply that anyone has to listen.
- Ian Betteridge
Shey: as I discovered yesterday, you'll figure out you're blocked when they post, but don't show in your timeline. You cna still see them by going to their page directly. If you comment on a thread, it won't move to the top of your timeline -- even if you're apparently subscribed.
- Chris Baskind
How do you find out who you have blocked ?
- Brian Sullivan
Freedom to speak and freedom to block are two sides of a same coin. ;)
- Yung-Hui Lim
Robert: what's your process for following and subscribing by default ? With so many followers on FF and Twitter how do you decide who is your feed and who is not? Do you build a "friendship" first or do you follow and subscribe friends of friends, etc. What about others in this discussion? What do you do?
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
To me it seems important to recognize that with an open-ended tool like Friendfeed, different people will use it different ways. Personally, out of principle, I'd prefer to avoid blocking anyone, and I haven't yet. But I'm low-profile anyhow. If I were Scoble -- or if I were female -- I'm sure I'd use the block feature liberally. My blood pressure, you know. I just have no need to see overtly negative or hostile posts.
- Nathan Rein
@Larry I use Twitter/FF to follow industry analysts and other noted personalities. As my interest in a person's feed grows, I start to look at their followed and followers and expand my own list accordingly. Sometimes I'm interested in following particular people and sometimes it's following particular conversations. Either way, I like the open flow of information.
- Sally Robinson
larry I subscribe to anyone who catches my eye and is nice.
- Robert Scoble
I block spammers. I don't typically block trolls or people that disagree with me. This isn't my living room after all. For Robert though, he would have to block or it would drown out the signal.
- Sam Pullara
"If you want to save an image in Safari with the iPhone 2.0 software, simply touch it and hold. A dialog will appear that offers Save Image or Cancel. Choose Save Image, and the image will be stored in your iPhone's photo library, and will be transferred to iPhoto on the next sync."
- l0ckergn0me
from Bookmarklet
You knew about this and I missed it?!?!?
- l0ckergn0me
Yes dude, it's on my blog but you were too preoccupied by GINORMOUS EDDIE
- Mona Nomura
Did you see the thing about fixing the yellow tint? Firmware upgrade (already lol) and taking screen shots?
- Mona Nomura
Sorry, Mona - AT&T is still holding my 3G unit hostage.
- l0ckergn0me
You STILL haven't gotten yours?! Those BASTARDS! btw, Google the screen shot tutorial. It's kinda cool. I still haven't gotten mine either btw, I'm too sick to deal w/ people right now.
- Mona Nomura
So now that the government's in the business of sending my hard-earned money to people and corporations who acted irresponsibly during the housing boom, where's my thank-you card for being responsible and renting so that I still have money to send them?
I believe that is in the mail, along with your stimulus check. I'm still waiting for mine. (And in other news, were you sitting around and wondering if I would notice you're starting to use FriendFeed?)
- Louis Gray
I wish I could like this comment about 37 times. I waited too, saved and am now waiting for the right home to buy. I did the right thing and was responsible. Why do others get a freaking mulligan on their irresponsibility? Do we get money back when our stock picks go south?
- AJ Kohn
Not to start a political war here, but isn't it intriguing that one of the candidates for president was part of the big S&L crisis in 1989? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Louis Gray
*like* LG's comment. Very interesting, something I'd forgotten.
- Rick Powell
Do things like that happen in the US? - dude who doesn't understand economics
- Yuvi
I bought, responsibly, and I'm expected to pay for the folks who didn't.
- Erisson
@Yuvi - not just in the US;last year, the UK govt used taxpayers' money to bail out a Bank that found itself in trouble after riding the sub-prime wave
- Andrew Terry
What would government be without corporate welfare and entitlement-mentality generation? Come on folks, where's your compassion?
- phil baumann
This is not an issue of "corporate welfare". I don;t supprot the bail outs - but let's be real about who is being bailed out. The issue is not the lending banks and corporations but the millions of families that would become homeless without this happening. I am willing to let it happen but I understand why others are not. There is also a compelling economic and social case to be made for not letting it happen.
- Soulhuntre
Besides, the tax system has ALWAYS been about taking money from people that actually make it and distributing it to others. This nightmare is not at all new. In recent years the top 1% of tax filers pay more than 40% of the tax burden - all while people scream to tax them at a higher rate in the name of fairness. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...
- Soulhuntre
The bail-outs *are* corporate welfare, distributing public funds to big institutions and therefore to those who control them. Those institutions always seem to be "too big to fail" and we have to bail them out lest the stock market panic. The corporate controllers are happy to take big personal profits when things are going well (and even when they aren't) claiming that they are taking big risks. But should the downside of those risks obtain suddenly it's time for all to share in the costs. Sweet deal.
- Fred Yankowski
@Fred -- exactly. The classic case of privatize profit, socialize risk. @Soulhuntre -- I'm all for helping people who need it, I'm pretty happy to pay more taxes than people that make less since the working-class American needs all the help they can get these days. I just wish that those at the top of the Countrywide/Bear Stearns/Indymac/Freddie/Fannie etc disasters had to give back some of their fat bonuses from the last few years
- Brian Pharris
Well Brian I am not for helping out the middle class and upper middle class Americans who borrowed money to buy worthless shitheap suburban houses. And to Fred's "too big to fail" comment - the FDIC is going to be the next "too big to fail" institution the Federal Reserve will bail out... well my question is: is the Fed too big to fail? And who's going to bail out the Fed Reserve?
- Anthony Citrano
Basically I say: deal with the consequences of the risks you took, whether you're a Bear Stearns hedge funder or a middle manager at a car company.
- Anthony Citrano
Fair enough, though I can take some solace in the fact that those suburban McMansions are now illiquid and gas prices have got to make that middle manager's commute incredibly painful. As for bailing out the Fed (which has already blown a lot of its treasurys in exchange for toxic MBS crap), either China and OPEC need to be feeling extremely generous, or I'd suggest high-tailing it out of the US Dollar.
- Brian Pharris