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The only way I'd go camping. ;)
Tyson Key, Tomonori Murakami, Дмитрисергеич and 154 other people liked this
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
- Anna Haro
ahahahaa
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Been there, done that. Many, many, many years ago, we brought computers to a week-long music festival just so we could play games.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Switch that to someone else carrying all that and I'm there with you.
- ♥patricia♥
Akiva, you went to burning man? Sweet! Tell all...
- Pete Delucchi
Hah, no. It was a regional festival.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That guy needs to ditch his eMachines and get a MacBook Air.
- Louis Gray
What in the hell resolution is he running at? The IE icon takes up the entire screen.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I wonder what battery he used...
- Ming Tsai
He's writing "e"-mail
- Morton Fox
Wow, that will produce some muscles !
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
.LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Wiindows Fit
- Jemm
L ... O ... L
- Mike Reynolds
LOL that would be my bf!
- Brandy Lea
Dude. Get a Shuttle case at least.
- Cyndy
Heavy pc and crt, ok, but the subwoofer too? You know how heavy those things are? This would work in space maybe.
- Josh Haley
And I wonder where it's getting powered from. Is there an extension cord behind him, or maybe he's got a generator attached to his feet?
- Costa Walcott
But which way would it point? Or should there be two, one aimed at his face, and one on the visor of his hat, to see what he can see?
- Ladybug Heather
It's a 'Trojan Horse'!! The hollowed out tower contains 8 Macbook Airs, 25 iPhones, a G1™[product placement by Google] and a handful of Newtons - just waiting to be deployed!
- Micah Wittman
There is a distinct lack of cup holder.
- Rochelle
True... where does the Mountain Dew go? Or coffee or Jolt Cola or whatever caffeinated substance he drinks?
- Ladybug Heather
Rochelle: thats what the CD Drive tray is for.
- Roberto Bonini
hehe
- Kamilah Gill
Hmm, needs more counter-balances on the front. Right now it's just a touch off-center. :D
- i80and
amazing
- johnpiercy
*bump*
- Micah Wittman
*bump*^2
- imabonehead
WIN!
- TheHenry
COOL! :d
- selma hurkan
either that or my laptop and my Rocket stick with me lol
- Rob Cairns
Kevin, Daniel Rowley, Valley and 146 other people liked this
i love this :)
- Hayk H.
me too, hayk. :)
- Mona Nomura
Mona :)
- Hayk H.
geeky comics, i likey!
- imabonehead
heh
- Charlie Anzman
Yar!
- Jay Wiegmann
awesome!
- Harold Green
heck yes :)
- Mona Nomura
this one never gets old
- Lindsey is Fierce!
*chuckles*
- Kamath (नमः)
what an idea
- macro
Sorry for all the bumpage, people. I'm using "search" for the first time ever.
- Mona Nomura
New User Interface Coming to FriendFeed - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Moses Kpetigo, aerobroken, Nicholas James and 101 other people liked this
What does this photo of Robert Scoble have to do wth the new FriendFeed UI? Well, not much, but they do have a pair of Hulk gloves at the FriendFeed office and since I didn’t have any photo manipulations of Scoble as the Hulk already, I thought now was as good a time as any to make one. Earlier this evening FriendFeed gathered a small group of journalists, bloggers and users at their headquarters in Mountain View, California to demo a new beta user interface that they plan on releasing very shortly. The details of the new user interface are still private with an embargo on the news. According to FriendFeed Co-founder Bret Taylor, the embargo is put in place to make sure that when people write reviews about the new interface that it will coincide with the actual launch of the beta enabling FriendFeed users to try the new site out for themselves.
- Thomas Hawk
hulksmash!
- Brandon
Sounds good! You in on the beta testing then?
- Simon Wicks
yeah Simon, everyone else will be soon as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Cool! :)
- Jemm
more teasers, cmooon
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
LOL that picture is epic :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
OMG that is awesome! What a Hulk of guy!
- Susan Beebe
Those picts show lots of cool folks converging on this eve of the beta rollout Monday - cool team of collaborators
- Susan Beebe
Liked for how the photo came out!
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait!
- Kristian Salonen
The individual as a PR campaign...
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
man... you're either totally lame in photoshop or you just forgot that you don't colorize the background to make radioactive people :)
- Dorian Muthig
The fists emanate a green overlay.
- Kevin Fox
Caption: "I'm a social media expert" :D
- Josh Haley
Sounds interesting. I wonder how it'll turn out.
- Tyson Key
I've been putting a list of what we know about the radically new friendfeed design here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Big shifts in microblog/social networking world - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Ebun Omoni, Jim Bergman, Philip J Beyer and 36 other people liked this
What a week!
- Robert Scoble
Damn, after reading that...all I'm thinking is *stuff* Facebook, I want to see the UI that has Robert beside himself!
- Mo Kargas
Damn, I'd pay $250,000 for Twitter. In fact, I'd pay $251,000. Assume you mean quarter of a BILLION...
- Adam Rogers
Now I am really fascinated and can't stand the tease anymore...looking forward to that new UI of friendfeed video you made Robert.
- Sanne Buurma
If someone pays $250K for Twitter, that person could be THE reccomended follow... :)
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I fear Twitter is on the edge of falling into being a fad. It's messaging middleware with so much potential, but rising instantly because of the mainstream media "discovering it" 2 years later and then becoming celebrity crazy about it is not a good formula for long-term survival. Most people I ask still "don't get" twitter.
- Keith Barrett
John: yeah, I screwed that up and fixed it now. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Keith: I actually agree with you. And come Monday it's going to get worse for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Was that a leak I just detected?
- Russ Jackson
It'd also be interesting to know how many twitter users give it up after a week, when the fun's not fun anymore, and the value still isn't in place. I believe that should be around 95% of the "mainstream" newcomers
- Kirill Bolgarov
Russ: no, I only disclosed what we were allowed to disclose.
- Robert Scoble
I know you did. Your a man of principle and ethics. The way that sentence came out struck me weird. Why do you say it will get worse for twitter on Monday?
- Russ Jackson
Russ: because the new version of friendfeed pushes the live web way forward.
- Robert Scoble
Gotcha. Understand completely now.
- Russ Jackson
"the new version of friendfeed pushes the live web way forward" - while most web companies don't even understand the full implications of the arrival of the live web. The live web will be more important than the "archive web" soon. Who needs to read a two year old article when all knowledge is being repeated each year, or possibly each day? We just don't capture all these utterings of people. But through tools like FF and Twitter, we will. Archived conversations will be still handy to have around of course.
- Meryn Stol
If they do try to be more of a communication tool, I hope they add video con calls and mobile portability. No one has really fulfilled the video phone dream yet...
- Anthony Farrior
TokBox has a pretty sweet video conference setup, maybe they can be bought/copied
- Daniel J. Pritchett
http://almightylink.ksablan.com/2009... Scoble - this is a good article you could cite illustrating your news point. Full disclosure - I'm in it.
- Matthew DeVries
The worst thing for Twitter - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Philip J Beyer, Mike Doeff, Holger Eilhard and 21 other people liked this
Think selling to Google is bad? There's worse out there.
- Robert Scoble
absolutely agree if twitter goes to google they are going to be screwed up.
- Cem Dalgic
Robert - please don't forget that today is UnFollowFriday - remove all people on the twitter default suggested list!
- Allen Stern
Why would twitter sell though?
- Richard A.
I agree, and would add that facebook is now positioned to feed off the blood.
- Francis Wooby
I already said this... But you said it better
- Keith Barrett
the question is : is it a fatality?! is there any urgency to sell the company?
- abdellah
Allen: I did that weeks ago. Everyone except for Arrington, that is.
- Robert Scoble
I truely belive twitter should try and remain independent for the time being. It's just starting to filter into the mainstream and it's uses are just starting to be fully explored. I can't think of any company that could buy twitter and not screw it up.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Why indeed, as they've got a lot of uncovered territory to explore...
- Sanne Buurma
I don't follow anyone on that list except Arrington.
- Francine Hardaway
Good question by abdellah: Do they need to sell their company? If so, why?
- Jorg Jansen
Do you think the Jaiku thing was overshadowed by the success of twitter and they were forced to scrap it rather then try to compete? It seems twitter cream rose to the surface. Pownce went away also. Not sure google bungled jaiku as much as threw up the flag. and cried uncle.
- cheapsuits
It could be worse. It could be Fox Interactive or Yahoo buying them. Fox would try and aim it at the wrong audience, Yahoo wouldn't know what to do with it and end shutting it down as it didn't fit in with their strategy (Whenever they work out what that is)..
- Paul Bainbridge
They should not sell they would lose the upward momentum they have started. They have just started to go mainstream. Only thing that could lead them to sell is they know that they don't or more likely know they won't be able to get the kind of funding they need to keep up with the growth that will occur.
- Russ Jackson
why should they sell, when they get a fresh fund this year?
- abdellah
No VC would give Twitter $1 billion.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
best bet for Twitter would be Apple, perfect iphone app and a chance to get into 2.0 searching market
- ezekiel
Interesting and poignant observations, especially about Microsoft. I agree, Google is about as in tune with social marketing as Microsoft is with open source software and ideas - the very cornerstone of the Web as we know it today. Neither company has had to focus on those ideas/weaknesses... it isn't what built their empires and, honestly, it won't be what helps continue their growth or fuel their innovation/evolution as businesses.
- Andy
At some point the VC need some return. Holding on to debt, esp now isn't wise.
- Marc
Cash is king, right now. Twitter and google would take a year or more to integrate and would slow growth and the noise surrounding it. ROI would be diminished as well for Google.
- Russ Jackson
We are all screwed if Goole buys twitter for sure, unless they change their ways.
- Micky
Wow. I think it's a sign of the times that Twitter is being sold for $250m/ It's the delerageing of the world. And as I just said on your blog, Google will ruin Twitter by freeziing its growth if it tries to integrate it with other Google product,as it did with Writely, Grand Central or Jaiku, or just let it hang like You Tube while it develops or acquires other competing products. Freezing Twitter for a day kills it. And does just what Twitter enemies and competitors want: a way to make the users move
- Francine Hardaway
I believe if Twitter runs on its own, it sure will grow the long legs among the giants. talent is trickling into twitter and that sure will help it grow into a formidable force - Currently, I believe @ev should be concentrating on getting twitter upto scale and make it a cool place to be rather than selling.
- Jayavasanthan J
Kara says this rumor isn't true.
- Francine Hardaway
@Francine, I would love to believe Kara
- Jayavasanthan J
Jayavasanthan: I believe Kara on this one, will be interesting to see what shakes out of the tree.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, especially considering Twitter's investor - Union Square's Fred Wilson. He already sold Delicious to Yahoo! and Feedburner to Google. Both services grew signicantly and indeed started bringing more value to the users and the acquirers. So, if a Twitter-Google deal will happen in any manner (i personally believe that it's not going to be an M&A deal anytime soon), i'm sure it will be for good
- Kirill Bolgarov
The Nasdaq Composite Index just turned positive for the year.
Hutch Carpenter, Susan Beebe, Nicholas James and 14 other people liked this
They all seem to be picking up today , G20 news I guess . . .
- Ed Richardson
Would it still be bad to get upside down on a new yacht?
- Matthew DeVries
I honestly think this is the bubble to end all stock market bubbles for a long time. Maybe won't happen tomorrow, but eventually. I think this summer or early fall will be the bottom. Don't get suckered into this. The markets are all rigged right now, and IMHO always have been. Credit Cards, Commercial Real Estate, and other shoes have yet to drop in this crisis.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mark to market rule change is the main reason for increase.
- Robert Hafer
Dow's above 8,000 now as well. Having a nice bear market rally.
- Thomas Hawk
Might well be a bit of a bubble, house market in the UK showed a bubble increase last month, but I don't think the estate agents breathing properly again yet . . .
- Ed Richardson
Agree w/ Robert. I think FASB announcement is pushing this more than anything.
- Matt
there's nothing more frightening than a bear market rally that raises hopes and then breaks down going even lower than the previous lows before.
- Thomas Hawk
Amazon Elastic MapReduce has launched! Large dataset processing just got a lot simpler http://aws.typepad.com/aws...
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This is going to be a lot more important long term than the Twitter UI changes that are currently on the top of TechMeme. Werner is Amazon's CTO, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
So is this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian: that's been a lot more important for years we just didn't know much about it. :-) I'd love to see Amazon's data center.
- Robert Scoble
This should really be called Elastic Hadoop...
- Tristan Seligmann
No doubt Robert! It's encouraging to see them opening up. I know several folks from AMZN were also at the summit: http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2009...
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Nobody was this excited for Azure...
- xero
Wow - impressed by Slicehost thus far. Definitely easier to set up than Amazon. Great for very small servers for the price.
Philip J Beyer, Howard Ross, Rob Diana and 11 other people liked this
Awesome to hear. If you ever need anything please call me on my cell phone at +1-425-205-1921 -- Rackspace has teams working around the clock to make sure you're happy. Me too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, what are you using Slicehost for, if I could ask?
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I'm trying them out to allow me to scale on Twitter easier. Right now Twitter only allows 20,000 requests per hour, per IP. Since we have 20,000 users I'm going to need to expand the number of IPs we use to fit within their guidelines. It's a really silly rule, but Slicehost has a $20/mo option that makes it really cheap to scale like that.
- Jesse Stay
I should also add that Slicehost would make a really good proxy or load-balance front-end, as well - all dedicated servers, and easily scalable
- Jesse Stay
Excellent. I'll be interested to hear how easily/well a slicehost setup works for you along the way.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, so far, just about 15 minutes to set one up from scratch that has all the files I need. No need to read any docs to do it, either.
- Jesse Stay
from IM
Thanks, simran!
- Micah Wittman
Jesse, keep us informed on how well Slicehost works for you. I may have to move some things around, and they look like a decent option.
- Rob Diana
Help Loic Le Meur (Seesmic) and John Furrier (Silicon Angle) find new hosting - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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These two guys aren't happy with their current hosting partner. Help them pick a new one.
- Robert Scoble
Help guys who unfollowed me for no good reason? I don't think so!
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: heh. Well, you aren't just helping them by suggesting a good host.
- Robert Scoble
Don't they have people on payroll to figure this stuff out for them?
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Peer 1 [ http://www.peer1.com/ ] would suit John's blogging company. JoelOnSoftware uses Peer 1 and here [ http://www.joelonsoftware.com/article... ] Joel has good things to say about it.
- Arvind
Matthew and Ken, dont be so negative ;) they ask for help.. its up to you to help or not ;)
- Qbat
Ken: this post isn't just for them.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, what about Rackspace? ;)
- Meryn Stol
A friend has been trying to get me onto Slicehost, or at least that's what I think it's called. Basically you get your own server. Anypoo, that could be something to look into.
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
I use ixwebhosting.com; love their service and have never had an outage
- Sandra
Slicehost, MediaTemple, Rackspace. All good choices, depending on what you're looking for. If they can develop what they need on AppEngine, it would also be a good choice for a medium sized project. AWS seems good for hosting static files (I use it quite a bit) via S3, but I don't think it's a great environment for running servers (the EC2 prices seem a bit high).
- Brandon Titus
Rackspace, absolutely. The fact that the most popular forum for discussing this subject (webhostingtalk.com) is hosted there might be a clue :-). [edit]: probably should have read the full blog entry before posting...but that doesn't change the fact that RS is a fantastic option, and might still be the best for them.
- Sam
Watching your tweets, Robert... "I’m not going to pitch them on Rackspace (my new employer)" sure didn't last long. Not as if you *shouldn't*, since you're part of the company... just not sure why you'd say you're not going to.
- Ken Sheppardson
"not sure why you'd say you're not going to" - Ken, my guess: having other people confirm Rackspace as a good (or possibly the best) choice is much better PR than saying himself it while being on their payroll. If Robert can pull "Rackspace" out of *our* mouths, he's golden. I think that in this kind of business, customer testimonials work far better than advertising.
- Meryn Stol
I doubt Rackspace would be low enough cost for Seesmic.
- Todd Hoff
As a CEO, I just want Rackspace to tell me how you compare with Amazon - what do I get, as a startup that Amazon doesn't provide? I admit I know little about Rackspace - what I have investigated is that it *seems* more expensive. However I'm probably wrong. Side-by-side, how do you compare?
- Jesse Stay
BTW, our database now has tables with 20 million rows of data and we are experiencing bandwidth near 20-40,000 requests per hour. I'm looking for the lowest cost and most scalable solution that can handle that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is very possible that Amazon would be better for you but if you want to talk to a human being in the middle of the night, or if you will need a hybrid approach Rackspace will be better for you. I will get @mosso to help you out.
- Robert Scoble
There you go Robert.... embrace it. Pitch it. Be it. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Meryn: a big part of my post today is for my own education: to see what hosting companies I should learn about.
- Robert Scoble
OK, my own experience on the low end: avoid Bluehost. Arbitrary policy changes (like dropping domain wildcards) pushed me off to MediaTemple gridserver. Happy enough, except for latency issues on a low traffic site, as it it took a while to "spin up" the idle site. Looked at Linode and Slicehost, Linode won that battle pretty much solely for their DNS management tools.
- Ken Sheppardson
...but that's if we're talking about budget, low traffic, root access, ability to configure everything yourself, and don't want to pay for Amazon, which is my cloud provider of choice at the moment otherwise. But then I haven't looked at Rackspace lately. Might be time. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
For the record, Rackspace owns Slicehost. http://www.slicehost.com/article...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey Robert, we have human beings on duty 24x7x365 at Amazon, accessible via the AWS Premium Support system. Also, our reserved instance pricing should make EC2 a very good value for applications running in steady state while allowing you to seamlessly add capacity on demand.
- Jeff Barr
Jeff: cool. Amazon is doing amazing. Many of my favorite companies are hosted on Amazon (Jeff is Amazon's web services evangelist).
- Robert Scoble
.. and another FriendFeed convert. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Jeff beat me to it :)
- Deepak Singh
So does this make Jeff Barr the "Robert Scoble" of Amazon now? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Or it makes me the "Jeff Barr" of Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
Linode or slicehost
- ld
Media Temple is crap as is Dreamhost.
- ld
I've heard good things about Mosso. Think Ryan Block is using them now for gdgt, and his last Apple (iPhone OS 3.0 Preview) event live blogging went very well - servers handled load and all that jazz. Think they are not cheap though, could be wrong ...
- Patrick Jordan
Patrick: yup Ryan's gdgt is on Rackspace's Mosso. Thanks for the compliment!
- Robert Scoble
Here's my other dilemma: Jeff Barr's a friend and so is Robert Scoble. Both of them are doing their jobs very well. :-)
- Jesse Stay
There's an informative article with comments on slicehost vs linode here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item... I've had too many problem-free years at linode by now to think about switching. I actually just shut down a dedicated server to move back to linode.
- Bruce Lewis
Wow - didn't realize Mosso was part of Rackspace. Cool - any special mega-discounts for Friendfeeders? :)
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
I recommend http://Hostmysite.com - ask for Art Zeile the CEO - I have his cell # - these guys mean business and they deliver. We also use CFX hosting.com and I do *not* recommend them.
- Susan Beebe
slicehost would be my vote - been using for 5 or 6 months and happy as can be with uptime and service. Media Temple was the other I looked at - they may be fine on the higher tarrifs (I have no data) but seem to have much more downtime on their lower ones (Have been monitoring for over 6 months).
- Riaz Kanani
Given the nature of Seesmic's business, Loic needs something scalable and reliable, so the average hosting service is just not tenable in the long , especially given the amount of bandwidth that Seesmic probably drives. For the kind of video that Seesmic is (non-streaming), S3 + Cloudfront is a killer combo and of course EC2 to drive scale. (Disclosure: I work at AWS)
- Deepak Singh
It would be interesting to see the numbers. Seesmic strikes me as a low margin high resource use application. Will it be able to make money using these services?
- Todd Hoff
oTodd, that's a more general question. The cost savings for anyone with variable use via a utility provider is usually pretty attractive. Once you optimize provisioning, then your savings can get very very attractive.
- Deepak Singh
Cloud computing and the return of the platform wars - http://blogs.zdnet.com/Hinchcl...
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Facebook Drops the Walled Garden, Opens Up Possibility for Track - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Post by Jesse Stay: http://www.friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Louis Gray
This is *huge* news! I'm surprised everyone else isn't all over this.
- Jesse Stay
Agree with Jesse. This is what everyone was calling for, surely..
- Andy Connell
Couldn't you always create a public search listing and badge with this information? That's been in place for a while now.
- sofarsoShawn
The big problem is still search. Very few people can support indexing the entire public feed, but an integrated search would be killer.
- Rob Diana
Yea I second robdiana on search, but this intensifies the need for better privacy and groups - the conversations I have in Twitter would be of little interest to the majority of people in my FB account.. it would be great to add private group discussions as well..
- Riaz Kanani
Tuesday Morning: Live Coverage of Apple’s iPhone 3.0 Event - http://technologizer.com/2009...
Philip J Beyer, gfurry, Dale Larson and 3 other people liked this
Twitter OAuth open to all developers - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
Michael Kacer, Philip J Beyer, Nicholas James and 14 other people liked this
finally!!! I'm happy
- Marco
now I look forward to see all these 3rd party apps stopping to request my password
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Integrate Feedback On Your Website via Friendfeed - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
Iván Abrego, Kol Tregaskes, Philip J Beyer and 12 other people liked this
interesting idea on creating a Friendfeed room for your blog
- Keith - @tsudo
I know, I applied it.
- Richard A.
I've got to see blogs where FF is bolted on. A FF room for a blog sounds good too.
- Bernie Goldbach
Isn't that what the comments section under the blog post is for?
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: comments under blogs largely suck. First very few people get any. They'll have a lot more luck here. Second, lots of people use moderation which makes having a live conversation impossible. Much better here. Third, there are a bunch of features here that make comments here much nicer than those on your blog (comments can be shoved in a room so I can see all of the comments someone has gathered, for instance).
- Robert Scoble
This is why you use pictures in your blog posts - http://www.winextra.com/index...
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True. A large proportion of my current traffic (and even of remaining traffic on my ancient abandoned blogs) comes from Google Images.
- Bora Zivkovic
My site is about images with some short text below. If it weren't for Google images traffic I would be almost ignored.
- Carlos Lorenzo
My site is all pix. =)
- ld
@Leather so is my braincell soup blog - well a very large portion of the posts are all pics
- Steven Hodson
My library blog is getting hundreds of hits from image searches and the rest of the blog is useless to them and isn't aimed at them, so I actually wish they'd stop distorting my stats. :-(
- Deborah Fitchett
Next post: "12,432 visitors in 10 minutes from Scobleizer."
- Jon Adair
@Jon .. na .. it would take at least 15 minutes
- Steven Hodson
I posted a link to the "research paper vs. internet" image you(and I) have on one of your posts.
- Mr. Gunn
Agreed. But be careful what you have pictures on. My number one blog post is because of people searching for pictures of North Korea. I have a picture. People come, use my bandwidth, and bounce away. It takes more than pictures (but they do help). http://blogan.net/blog...
- Brent Logan
I agree pictures are important, but dependent on your business model, a decent percentage of the time traffic from Google Image search isn't going to convert well. Not that it really costs you much of anything.
- Kevin Mullett
Yes pictures are important as long as they are in context and add value to the post. At http://cruisinaltitude.blogspot.com I add pictures when appropriate and sometimes the entire post are in pictures.
- mskonfa
Facebook just laid down the gauntlet to friendfeed. The new Facebook looks awesome. Of course we need to try it first, but this takes the real-time web forward.
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Not to mention Twitter now looks second rate to both friendfeed and Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
We shall see.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
@robert i wouldnt classify twitter in the same category as FF and FB
- andy brudtkuhl
Are you referring to some new changes your viewing privately?
- Mark Krynsky
isn't it the people using the service that matter. losers from my high school friend me on facebook and have nothing to say. i interact with all walks of life on twitter. that's what it will always be about to me.
- Jeff DiStanlo
Also I think FB and FF (obviously) have completely different markets regardless of cross functionality. (yes, im a FB hater)
- andy brudtkuhl
eric schmidt would
- Todd Randolph
Seeing is believing. I will wait till it goes live. remember the last time facebook had the kind of opposition with a new design. I always liked it though.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
@Jeff - exactly
- andy brudtkuhl
Wow looks amazing can't wait to start using this
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
They got close to unlimited friends. They sucked up to Arrington, but this will let us both create pages where we can interact with large groups of people in public and also keep our separate friends and family controls so we can see just stuff from our families, for instance. This sounds very good.
- Robert Scoble
@Todd eric shmidt would what?
- andy brudtkuhl
i agree it's a step ahead, but i don't think friendfeed is in danger. it's the users over the platform, right?
- David Bisset (sn)
yeah it really looks like an evolution, ending at FF
- anna sauce
I don't get it. Facebook isn't an aggrigator. It can't do what FF does. Facebook spits out it's information stream to FF, where I gather all my other streams in one place.
- Matthew DeVries
the question is...will we let one company be our everything for social messaging, or do we force the industry to follow a service model...and spend the next 20 years sorting out standards like we did with HTML/CSS?
- Dave Powell
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meh
- LogEx
Facebook has so much twitter and friendfeed envy, its not even funny. Still, when they got the eyeballs...
- Jarrod Morgenstern
Technological superiority does not mean it will win (ref. Betamax versus VHS) :) I think Twitter´s basically just simple protocol and API provide a freedom to create strange spinoff services and imaginative clients which a lot of people value. People want a tool not a finished piece of art behind glass.
- Thomas Bøhm
It feels to me like Facebook will be to social networking and services like FriendFeed what Windows is to operating systems and Linux/etc. Easy enough for your parents to use, not necessarily the best out there, has momentum, enough market share that they can sorta do whatever they want, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
I disagree Matthew, Facebook is an aggregator. That's exactly how I use it mostly.
- David Jacobs
David: It only aggregates through their bizarre ass application system, that won't let you even have a feed unless you give them 5 friends they can bug first.
- Matthew DeVries
What it looks like is nothing without who you're following. My FF and FB friends DO NOT overlap. The UI is moot without community.
- Anika
I use all three so differently I cant see one taking the business of the other from me. I interact with a lot of different types of people on Twitter. Facebook is pretty much friends only and FF is more of an aggregator for me to see what is going on in different sectors. The conversation is more discussion and less conversation to me. Twitter is where I have the conversations what some might say I used to use the phone for.
- Sidney
I don't intend to make friends with all of you on facebook (or really any of you). But I like reading what you have to say here. Long live FF.
- Christopher Galtenberg
FB is for spying and sharing photos with real friends and family, FF for conversation, twitter for news and interesting links
- Ryan
I don't think Facebook move challenges the niches of Friendfeed or Twitter. Friendfeed and Twitter never have been able to challenge the Facebook niche, because that was all about sharing content in private with friends. Twitter and Friendfeed are for the people who like the open web, for the people who live (at least part of) their life in the open. Likewise, facebook photos is not a challenge to Flickr.
- Meryn Stol
I don't have a Facebook account anymore. The content on Facebook means nothing to me.
- Meryn Stol
Duck!
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Had to happen sooner or later .... The sky is falling. Tomorrow's news ... "The world is coming to an end .... again."
- Charlie Anzman
Lots of misinformation being spread about this. The FAA does not monitor, track, or otherwise keep up with satellite debris; that's done by NORAD. The only statement made by an FAA official was that there was a "possibility" this could have been caused by satellite debris. See http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastr... for more information.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Glen - Read the piece. Also noticed the NWS message was dated Friday. Now going up to the roof to install 'the shield' ...... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sure, blame the ducks again.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook Photos Pulls Away From The Pack - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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If Facebook has one standout application it has to be Photos. Measured on its own, it is the largest photo site on the Web. A full 69 percent of Facebook’s monthly visitors worldwide either look at or upload photos, based on comScore data. And more than 10 billion photos have been uploaded to the site. And it’s been pulling away from its competitors. As can be seen in the comScore chart above, as recently as last September the top three photo sites in the U.S. were running neck-and-neck, with Facebook Photos at 23.9 million unique visitors, followed by Photobucket at 21.3 million uniques, and Flickr at 19.5 million uniques. But by January, the number of monthly U.S. visitors going to Facebook Photos shot up 41 percent to 33.6 million. Meanwhile, Photobucket is up only 7 percent to 22.8 million, while Flickr is up 12 percent to 21.9 million. (Picasa is a distant fourth in the U.S. with 8.1 million).
- Thomas Hawk
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also too bad that they compress photos into the ground and steal your copyright
- Adrian
yes, Facebook is not ideal for uploading large beautiful high res photos from a Canon 5D M2. The compression is also pretty crappy. The only photo I have on Facebook right now is a photo of a woman breastfeeding and only because apparently they censor those and I wanted to see if they would censor me. Between the compression and the file size limits Facebook is a terrible place to host serious photos in my opinion. probably fine for iphone snaps with friends and family though.
- Thomas Hawk
And unless they're going to charge for photo storage then ... it's just another ROI negative part of their business.
- AJ Kohn
similarly photobuckets size limitation make it less than ideal as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Facebook's compression is terrible. I'd use it for my photography because it would reach my friends in a way that Flickr can't but the compression is laughable. Compare the details in the foam: http://www.facebook.com/photo... and http://flickr.com/photos...
- Benjamin Golub
Facebook is top through convenience - it's not through any kind of superior offering. The issues over compression, size of the pictures, the limitation on number of pictures in an album, and also the total lack of any privacy for the pictures - with the URL anyone on Facebook can see any picture.
- Richard Peat
Why isn't this thread from over the weekend (comments on the original post) showing up as a "Related Item": http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ken Sheppardson
Richard - the superior part of Facebook is the convenience and the ability to share with people that you're connected with. My iPhone photos of my kids aren't something for which I sweat compression and file size. It's more important that my family and friends can view them when they want. And there may be some Innovator's Dilemma here (start low tech, migrate upwards).
- Hutch Carpenter
Picasa, on the other hand, while a dedicated photo hosting service, has equally awful compression and resizing algorithms.
- Michele Campeotto
Interesting. I wonder if it will still hold true through the whole TOS fiasco. I know I deleted all my better photos from facebook and will only use it for cellphone uploads and maybe a few choice pictures now.
- Becca
You can tag the people in your photos and it automatically shows up for them and their (and your) friends. That's the killer app you don't get elsewhere, beyond just having your photo albums all in one place. I don't really understand why anyone would have uploaded pictures for another reason, or yanked them during the TOS flap.
- Richard Lawler
The problem I've had is sharing FB photos. So many workplaces have FB blocked that it's inconvenient for photo sharing...
- Kev
Looking at this graph all I can wonder is this....Will Yahoo EVER figure out what to do with Flickr? It has so much potential but it just sits there. And without a solid revenue stream how long will Yahoo hold it up?
- ChiliMac
+1 ChiliMac
- Hutch Carpenter
@ChiliMac - how do you know if Flickr has a solid revenue stream or not? It seems possible that it makes more than some other Yahoo properties
- Nick Lothian
Facebook photos is definitely the easiest way to share photos with friends.
- Benno
@Nick Lothian: Flickr has not ads. Yahoo is based mostly on ad revenue. I'm infering from this and from comments friends at Yahoo have made that Flickr is not a solid revenue stream for Yahoo......yet....I hope. :D
- ChiliMac
I don't think Flickr is very well monetized at all. Unfortunately one of their best opportunities to monetize (selling stock photography) was largely turned over to Getty where it is a tiny shell of what it could have been.
- Thomas Hawk
Rupert Murdoch apologizes for chimp cartoon - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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"NEW YORK (CNN) -- The chairman of the New York Post, Rupert Murdoch, personally apologized Tuesday for an editorial cartoon published by the newspaper that drew charges of racism. "Today I want to personally apologize to any reader who felt offended, and even insulted," said the statement from Murdoch, who is also chairman and chief executive of News Corporation, which owns the paper. "I can assure you -- without a doubt -- that the only intent of that cartoon was to mock a badly written piece of legislation. "It was not meant to be racist, but unfortunately, it was interpreted by many as such. We all hold the readers of the New York Post in high regard, and I promise you that we will seek to be more attuned to the sensitivities of our community.""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I still can't figure out HOW people wouldn't find this offensive and take it as racist. It was pretty blantant.
- Victoria Plautia
I can see how. They are idiots that don't understand the context and only know surface details. They equate stimulus bill with Obama even though the cartoon was clearly targeted at those who wrote it, Congress.
- Daniel Buckley
I can see how people interpreted it as being racist, even though clearly it wasn't, but the cartoonist and the paper didn't really go out of their way to demystify that mystery. Until now.
- Rene Wirtz
@Victoria/Plutia: Maybe it's perception. Since I'm white and haven't delt with the level of bigotry and discrimination members of the black community have I don't see the issue.
- ChiliMac
Apple announces Safari 4 Beta, now with more cover flow! - http://www.edibleapple.com/apple-a...
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Apple today announced the availability of Safari 4 Beta, a new version of its web browser with many new features. In addition, Apple bills Safari 4 as the only web browser that’s fully Acid 3 compliant. One of the more interesting new features in Safari 4 includes the ability to browse through your bookmarks and [...]
Are they trying to obviate Mac Chrome?
- Clay Newton
perhaps they are going to a place where all applications and all things within them are displayed by coverflow, maybe the entire desktop experience is going to become one big cover flow flowing seamlessly from one aspect to the next. maybe i am making this up.
- Nathan Eckenrode
Research: well-connected people communicating a lot are more productive - http://blog.contentmanagementc...
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"Since information does not diffuse randomly in organisations, but rather reflects the nature and structure of human relationships, providing the right tools that support human social relationships, communication and interaction, will provide a significant ROI to the enterprise."
- V Mary Abraham
I seriously want to see the research mentioned in the first reference-- which is not a link to the actual research. I've written Pentland asking for a citation and have received no response. I've seen that quote about productivity several times and it needs to not be repeated so frequently without referencing the real deal.
- Kevin Gamble
Kevin: If you get a reliable link, could you kindly share it with the rest of us? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!
- V Mary Abraham
The Associated Press: NY Post cartoon seems to link Obama to dead chimp - http://www.google.com/hostedn...
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"NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Post is standing behind a cartoon that some have interpreted as comparing President Barack Obama to a violent chimpanzee gunned down by police. The cartoon in Wednesday's Post by Sean Delonas shows two police officers standing over the body of a bullet-riddled chimp. One of the officers says the other, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill." Civil rights activist Al Sharpton called the cartoon "troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys." But Sharpton said the Post should clarify the point it was trying to make with the cartoon, which was playing off Monday's rampage by a pet chimpanzee in Stamford, Conn., that left a woman severely mauled. Police ended up killing the chimp. In a statement, Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said: "The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to re"
- Thomas Hawk
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Yeah, the racist people are the ones who've been referred to as monkeys, who haven't conveniently forgotten that it happened. It's probably just a coincidence, since the NY Post is such a tasteful and generally respectful piece of trash -- I mean paper.
- Richard Lawler
Frankly I think the reaction is a tad overblown. I voted for Obama and support the stimulus but it seems congress is no more effective than a bunch of monkeys.
- BCK
And you can vote for and donate to who you want, but I'd love to live in a world where I didn't remember people referring to the current president and people who look like him as a monkeys during the campaign process. I don't have to reach back unreasonably far.
- Richard Lawler
" Yeah, the racist people are the ones who've been referred to as monkeys, who haven't conveniently forgotten that it happened." ??????????????? I am having a hard time with this quote! care to expound further? If you have not been a victim of Racism how in the F@#$k can you even muster the nerve to Comment on this? I cannot believe what I am reading here....Classic case of blaming the Victim. I will concede one point. Al Sharpton should not be the showcased Voice of outrage here.
- bcultral
Did you not see what I replied to Robin? I think what i'm saying (edit:sarcastically) is pretty clear.
- Richard Lawler
I don't find what you said is offensive btw Chris, but I think its at best naive. I don't think it's in any way racist to know the history, including recent history, of racist imagery, and I don't think the Post picked the monkey incident by accident, I think they're a trash newspaper looking for attention any way they can.
- Richard Lawler
I am Half White and Half Black and hypersensitive to the issue/sickness of Racism. I just saw the quote. I apologize if my response is taken personal. The quote stunned me. I am of the opinion that Racism is the most debased and vile mindset that exists in this World. a sickness...nothing personal to either you Chris or Richard..just realize that there are Codes that give messages and we all know the Monkey Code...Don't We? by the way I cannot hate either Black or White because both are my Family
- bcultral
I am actually in the process of launching AntiRacismTv. a social enterprise attached to Change.org...We are trying to bring this cause to a National level once and for all....Racism has permeated our society/reality for too long. And just maybe this outrage will bring this issue to the National arena where it belongs...not in the closets of peoples mind/thoughts.
- bcultral
It's ironic that so many people refer to GWB as a chimp, and now we're hypersensitive to the same characterization.
- Kevin Fox
I will let you in on a secret: Black Americans expect Obama to be killed by a racist. This is the talk behind closed doors. So although he was elected we are not overly optimistic that he will survive. We expect Racism to win again...Sad commentary
- bcultral
Well when the Aliens declare their presence maybe we will see Humans as a Species....and Humanity will fulfill it's true meaning. lol
- bcultral
Uh... George the monkey, that bit someone and was shot to death has been the local talk for the past few days - to associate the Post's cartoon to racism is ludicrous.
- Mona Nomura
FYI All my life I have caught the flux of prejudice from both sides..Black and White..So I speak from the "Grey" area..
- bcultral
Racism, assassinations, and aliens? Is this a screenplay you're writing?
- coldbrew
In my studies of Linguistic Racism the monkey is a Code. such as the banksters vocabulary of being in the Red or Black. Poor Southern Slaveholders who were cash poor but had Blacks in the backyard (slavery) were considered to have worth. This is where the term being in the Black comes from. (a short history lesson)
- bcultral
I know that's fun to *say*, but are there other, more suitable people than those we elected?
- coldbrew
The Post is a local paper, targeting the locals. The nation does not see what goes on, LOCALLY. You're not on the subways, listening to the laughter between strangers talking about "George the Monkey". You're not walking the streets where the cart vendors are talking and laughing about "George the Monkey" Bottomline is, if you want to tie something to another, enough, you can.
- Mona Nomura
White, we also, "drive on the parkway, and park on the driveway" - George Carlin (RIP)
- coldbrew
There is a series of Coded Words: White Lie vs Black Lie, Angel Food Cake vs Devils Food Cake, Black Magic vs White Magic..the list goes on. Unfortunately Racism is protected by new Codes such as Politically Incorrect. This is a very deep subject that needs to be dealt with once and for ALL
- bcultral
Darkness is also used a s metaphor for the unknown. When it is dark, one cannot see, there is an unknown. People often fear the unknown.
- coldbrew
I have to go but I have great respect for the people and conversations I have observed on FF. Please be encouraged by your forthright attempts to address the issue. Please dont minimize..this is insulting. Later FF peeps
- bcultral
Angel Food Cake vs Devils Food Cake? LOL You have GOT to be kidding me. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and YES I deal with racism every single day - especially on the East Coast where I've been called "China-man" as an insult and "Chink" as a cat call. If someone associates food to racism, that sounds more like a personal problem to me. That person is only making themselves feel inferior.
- Mona Nomura
Sorry, old habit of addressing people by their last names. I still answer my phone that way :) I was merely pointing out that many sayings/ colloquialisms don't make sense when taken literally.
- coldbrew
@Robin, can you provide a source for your "being in the Black" assertion? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've never heard that particular claim before.
- Joey Gibson
I don't mean to minimize anything, but the "food cake naming conspiracy" is a bit tough to swallow.
- coldbrew
Here we go with the racism. Unfortunately, there WAS a big story about a rampaging chimp. I posted it here. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw this cartoon. I think some people are overreacting
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
You seem to have quite the time budget for FF. I have an entire pc devoted to it now :-o
- coldbrew
I'm pretty sure that being "in the black" refers to the color of the ink used on ledgers. They would use red note a negative but if everything was good they would use the black ink. http://www.etymonline.com/index... You can find it under "black" here.
- Andrew
No assertion. I have years of research into this subject. www.antiracistalliance.com. I am part of the upcoming UN conference on racism. Scheduled again this year...I am on my G1 so it is difficult to get into this deeper. Believe you me I will address all your points when I get back to my pc...
- bcultral
Beware of perceptions of those who are on the receiving end of words and meanings
- bcultral
It doesn't matter what organization you are a part of. Like I said above, if people want to establish a connection there will always be a way. Isn't that what research *is*? Robin - beware and be aware mean two different things. Just saying.
- Mona Nomura
Oh, and I blatantly disregarded your last name as in any way relevant to the discussion. Oops?
- coldbrew
Robin, I respect your research and I'm looking forward to hearing more. I'm surprised by the 'in the red' 'in the black' claim, as I though that was pretty well documented as originating from the practice of using red ink to call out negative numbers on balance sheets. It seems much more likely that any racist usage of the term came about as an adaptation from the accounting origins, rather than vice-versa.
- Kevin Fox
I think people cry racism all too often when there could be doubt about racist intent, but in this case I think the racism is rather clear. There's no other clear connection. What simile or metaphor links the monkey to the writing of the stimulus bill? There is none. And just because the chimp was in the news doesn't make a connection. Perhaps the cartoonist was unaware of the thinking behind the cartoon, but I think the intent is rather clear both for the author and for the audience.
- Rod Bauer
I'd just be interested in seeing the NY Post's editors stand together and say that they're entirely ignorant of American history, and that's how they innocently didn't see this as potentially offensive. I'm more than willing to believe that they're dumber than a middle aged fast food working character in Clerks 2, if you ever pick up that paper it's pretty obvious.
- Richard Lawler
A very cynical side of me believes that the Post knew publishing this would stir up controversy but be easily defensible.
- Andrew
Bauer, please read Mona N's comments above for context in this specific situation. Sorry *we* sidetracked the disussion.
- coldbrew
Sean Delonas has a long history of racialy insensitive cartoons. He regularly portrayed Mayor Dinkins and Rev Sharpton in questionable light
- David Parmet
from twhirl
Chris. Everywhere I look I see a lot of people blaming Obama for the stimulus bill. Who's leading us, they say, into socialism? You think all this is forgotten when a political cartoon comes out?
- Rod Bauer
coldbrew. Thanks, I tried to catch up on the thread but got lost on some of the side discussion.
- Rod Bauer
Some other funny cartoons from Delonas http://gawker.com/5155855...
- Greg GuitarBuster
Part of this is Huff Post's fault for turning a non-issue into an issue. Shame on them. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Mona Nomura
It's editorial. Period.
- Mattb4rd
That guy Delonas is remarkably untalented.
- Richard Lawler
It's nothing to do with Obama, but I can't believe no-one feels that this is tasteless in view of the horrible injuries that woman sustained
- Tim Ostler
Not sifting through the comments but I think I called the monkey George but his name is Travis. I have Curious George in my head, my mistake.
- Mona Nomura
I was called a racist in college by another student because I liked to play pool in the student lounge. She claimed the game was racist because the white ball was used to hit all the other colored balls and then the black one last. Anyone that played a game like that had to be racist, in her opinion.
- Mattb4rd
I thought he was shot to death - it's been the biggest news around here but frankly I don't care (can't you tell? I didn't even read it)
- Mona Nomura
FYI, redheads are evil ;)
- coldbrew
Yes Mona, a 200Lb pet chimpanzee attacked a women, severely injuring her, and the opened the door of a police cruiser to get to an officer and he killed it.
- Mattb4rd
I'm going to agree with Kevin Fox; GWB was called and portrayed as a chimp/monkey countless times. Where was the outrage of disrespect when that happened?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I can't believe anyone could look at this and miss the indirect racism. I'm not saying it was intentional but there is no doubt that the editorial staff made the connection. You can make the argument about who wrote the bill or whether it was intentional, but the editorial staff is paid to catch this kind of thing. They made the connection and judged that the publicity wouldn't hurt them.
- Andrew
Matt: Ya all I know is that he was huge and people were laughing that someone had a 200lb monkey as a pet. Everywhere I go people are talking about anything BUT the injured woman and end result. ie: What did the monkey eat? Where did he sleep? etc. Insensitive? Perhaps, but I'm guilty of it too.
- Mona Nomura
Mark. I guess I wasn't paying attention during the last 8 years. Geoge W. Bush is black?
- Rod Bauer
exxxxactly Andrew. Though as I said, I'd LOVE, as in, I would pay money, to see them stand up and explain precisely how stupid and uneducated they are that they completely missed this. Put it on PPV.
- Richard Lawler
@Andrew and others. Like is said above and keep repeating: The Post is local. If you aren't aware of the local jokes and news, the context could get twisted and THAT is exactly what happened.
- Mona Nomura
Makes Andrew Card's comments about dress code in the West Wing even more removed from that which others clearly observe as being inappropriate in the form not substance genre of inappropriateness ... Dare say responsible journalists should own this when asking for "subsidization" for news via some nebulous "pay as go" system akin to Ed Wasserman's helpful but obtuse suggestions (me thinks bandwidth is truly currency as evidenced by the discourse raised here)
- Scott Moskowitz
Using sharpton as the voice of protest is a deflection. This cartoon is offensive and I feel no need to apologize for being offended. Nor will I personalize my reresponses. I will reference other ant-racist activist who are white. Tim wise being one. He has a dynamic youtube presentation dealing with the issue of race from a point of veiw of a white american. There are many whites who can better address this than I. Because invariably the mantra becomes black people are too sensitive about
- bcultral
Mona - The Post isn't just local. They have a very popular website that is seen all over the world. Drudge links to them at least once a week. If you have ever dealt with an editorial staff, you know they won't miss this. They look for every single double entendre they can. They look for ways that the writing could be misinterpreted. Whether or not the writer intended this, the editorial staff had to have caught this. Or they are really bad at their jobs.
- Andrew
@Rod Bauer No, but to openly refer to a sitting president, even a blue or a green one, as a chimp is pretty insulting, isn't it? But not one peep about it from anyone...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Page Six and Drudge - enough said. I'm not going to argue about editorial choices but some things cause more harm than good. @Robin - I understand and respect your feelings but may I ask why this is/was offensive to you? @Mark - so it's ok if it's Dubya frequently compared to a chimp?
- Mona Nomura
I don't think "not one peep about it from anyone" is entirely accurate. Regardless, if you want to insult the president personally in an editorial, you can do that, but to slur a whole group of people is a bit different.
- Richard Lawler
Apparently so, Mona. I say no, but several posts here say I'm wrong.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Mark. I agree with you even though I think Bush treated the American people worse than anyone treated him. That said, I would not refer to Bush as a monkey or chimp. The point in question, however, is whether the chimp is an indicator of racism. And it is and the Post used it as such. I don't think they could have been unaware of that.
- Rod Bauer
The racism within the cartoon is deafening. A lack of American history is required to suggest otherwise. The FF responses on either side are becoming enlightening long-term by the letter, so we are not where we would like to think that we are as a country and world. No, I do not believe President Obama will be assassinated either & will be re-elected at that. An attempt maybe, but not assassinated due to heightened security.
- Roney Smith
I dunno if it was intentionally racist, but it sure is tone deaf. As is the Post's handling of the whole affair.
- Chris Baskind
There is no way this is clearly racist or clearly not. I think some people feel they need to find something to be wronged over.
- Robert DeBord
I just think it's typical modus operandi of a NY publication to boost slumping sales. If someone said this already, forgive me, there are way too many comments for me to read.
- Terence
In an enlightened way, referring to a human as something other than human is by definition race-ism, so, yes, this cartoon, whether it relates to Pelosi and Frank, to Obama, or all those times it was directed at GWB are all equally racist.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Monkeys have, throughout history, been used in cartoons to portray incompetence. There are plenty of people who see the spending bill as a gross example of incompetence. Obama didn't write the bill. The chuckleheads in Congress did. A reasonable person can conclude that this is not racist. Al Sharpton has made a career out of crying about racism. Pretty humorous since he is a buffoon...
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- Dean Rodgers
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@dean. A lot of people are unaware of racism. Maybe you are. A lot of people can walk into a business and see a sign that reads "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" and not understand that it's directed at certain people and not have the empathy to realize how much that hurts if it's directed at you.
- Rod Bauer
Is Al Sharpton even "crying about racism" here? You cite the history of cartoons using monkeys to represent incompetence but you ignore the history of black people being called monkeys. We can't pay attention to all history? I don't think that's extreme political correctness, it's just not being willfully ignorant. Any outlet with class wouldn't run something like this.
- Richard Lawler
Working as a temp in Kentucky, I once listened in on a conversation about racial epithets. A guy admitted to calling black people "porch monkeys" or "yard apes." When I was growing up in Mississippi, I went into the classroom where my mother taught Advanced Biology and Chemistry and read something someone had scrawled in ink on a blackboard: "Nig***s are proof that a white man fuc*** a monkey." I suppose it's just an unfortunate coincidence.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Rod, I think you made my point. "Reserving the right to refuse service" does not, necessarily mean racist. It could just as well mean, "If you behave like an idiot in my place of business, I'm going to throw you out."
- Dean Rodgers
That's a pretty deep question, I don't live my life every day to extinguish racism or anything like that and I wouldn't suggest someone else taking it on as a quest and life goal.I think that some people have decided that being aware of race = racism, which simply isn't correct, or possible, especially for people who can see how it directly affects / has affected their lives and their family's lives.
- Richard Lawler
As an outsider (European in America) I can see that the US probably is more racist than ever, but now this racism is veiled in politcal correctness. PC is "invented" by liberals, but now it is mostly used by politically conservative people to shield their otherwise obvious racism.
- Rene Wirtz
First Issue: Everyone here has a "opinion" as to what Racism is. Second: unless you have been the subject of Racism your "opinion" does not hold water in a intellectual exchange. Third: Institutional Racism does your work for you if you are White=White Skin Priviledge. (priviledge inferred/granted by the institutional structures in place since the beginning of this Republic) Fourth: There is a definition of Racism that makes All Whites racists. RACE Prejudice+Power (power to impose racial prejudice)
- bcultral
Wow, all this over a careless cartoon piece - the power and danger of the web.
- DJ Chang
be it personal or institutional. Structural Racism is real and Systemic. The problem it seems to me, is that definitions are not universal. Everyone seems to have their own definition=opinion. Here are a few links from so-called White people acknowledging and Institutional Racism: ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc&feature=PlayList&p=95592789F55AF875&index=0&playnext=1...
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- bcultral
I simply don't know the creator's intent... but the "truth" inside a great deal of this kinda stuff - the essence of what is expressed / experienced via art - is a halfway point between the creator and the beholder; one cannot just point the finger at one side of that creative transaction. Also, I respectfully submit that I find a lot of Robin's historical / linguistic references herein highly dubious.
- Anthony Citrano
http://racetraitor.org/ For the commentary who does not care what organization I belong to: http://www.antiracistalliance.com/ The Director called me tonight in response to this article. Anti Racist Alliance coordinates Workshops conducted by the Peoples Institute http://www.ashoka.org/node... http://www.pisab.org/
- bcultral
PISAB has trained over two hundred thousand Social Workers throughout America. Were at the UN Conference of on Racism in 2001 a few weeks before the Sep 11th attack where the US walked out.
- bcultral
Robin - I don't know if link bombing and citing credentials are the best ways to approach this. People are asking about specific things you said. Maybe if you address those it might help people understand where you are coming from.
- Andrew
You as a individual may not be a bigot, may not be prejudice but Racist? This Country and thereby our "Economic" system was built on Racism. Without a doubt. Again, unless you have been subjected to Racism you have no right to speak on People of Color crying about it. It is out of your realm of experience. Therefore you need to learn not exhibit your internalized superiority by speaking on something you dont know about.
- bcultral
I suggest that all the high minded commentators READ up on the subject and not lend mouth service with your opinions.....
- bcultral
Nothing constructive can be accomplished until we accept that humans are all one race. And Robin, I am a European-American, ethnicly caucasian, immigrant to the US, and have been subject to ethnic slurs within the past year.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
If the "monkey" was supposed to "signify" Congress, then why not have a BUNCH of monkeys? A barrel of monkeys? Why just one. What does that mean? This is a cartoon. It's arguably art. It is certainly socio-political.There's a million different ways the artist could have gone to voice dissent against the stimulus package. Interpret as you wish, but it raises more questions than it answers.
- .LAG liked that
Interesting, Robin. So how would you explain the instances I've been subjected to racism by "People of Color"?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
Because LAG, it wasn't a barrell of monkeys or any of those things that was in the news recently, it was a dead chimp.
- Mattb4rd
Robin you seem to be implying that a majority of whites are racist in one way or another and that we have no right to discuss this topic. How is that prejudice any better than a white being prejudice against a black?
- BCK
Mona I guess that us being on the receiving end is irrelevant.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Just LOL'd at the Spike Lee type commentary in this thread. Justifiable charges of racism lose some legitimacy due to the overabundance of frivolous and unfounded charges.
- Mattb4rd
This thread is making me remember this song http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Andrew
monkeys have been referred to whites as well.. I used to live in a town called Hartlepool which is famous for trying and hanging a chimp as a french spy because, as the legend goes, all they know of the french was that "they were hairy, smelled and spoke gibberish". You can read whatever you want into anything, ask the cartoon drawer what they meant, until then you're making your own story up. By the way, if you wanna talk discriminating language, how about us left handed people! :P
- alphaxion
I certainly suffered that moving from the north east of England to the midlands.. Stoke remains the most agressive and prejudiced place I have ever lived.
- alphaxion
Over here, a black cricketer got called a 'monkey' by an Indian bowler, and there was a bit of fuss about it. I didn't particularly enjoy this cartoon, I thought it was simple and in bad taste.
- Will Higgins™
It all comes down to overreaction. Bush was commonly refered to as a monkey during his four years (http://home.comcast.net/~chlora...) with no discussion, yet when a cartoon comes out without any implicit statement of Obama, people instantly jump to criticize without stopping to figure out what is going on. Yes chimps were used in racist connotations (and still are) but all references are not inherently racist.
- BCK
as I said, ask the drawer what they meant.. until then you're reading everything else yourself.
- alphaxion
You think asking the Post to clarify the point it's trying to make, given the connotations, is overreaction?
- Richard Lawler
I never said that, I just said that until you know what they were trying to convey all you are doing is making up the details. Asking the post to clarify it is a perfectly reasonable response if all you are seeing is racist connotations, if anything just to clarify whether that is what is meant or not.
- alphaxion
Richard this is what is needed. Concerned Citizens asking questions about the motive and intent. Turn this controversy into a positive. Yet given the source and the history of this particular artist I cannot claim racism or blame the controversy on the Post. The fact that it has created a stir benefits the Post in fact.
- bcultral
I'd say the connotations are imaginary.
- Mattb4rd
You really believe the Post's reporters and that cartoonist specifically aren't cognizant of American history and take that into account in their content? Sure, I don't think they've had more than a second grade education, but I'm surprised so many people agree with me.
- Richard Lawler
prejudice in inherent across racial lines that is the point. Structural Racism is systemic and outside of the individual prejudices. I laud and welcome the commentary on the subject. I just feel that a definitive reference point is needed. This is the problem of the lack of a universal definition.
- bcultral
Richard Lawler is dead on. Neither the Post management nor the cartoonist are in 2nd Grade. Nor are they rubes.
- Nick in Manila
I cited references to organizations that focus on this issue. I am of the mind personally that the whole issue of Race in America centers on a Socially constructed identity. The first time Europeans began to be identified as White was after Bacons Rebellion. (read The Peoples History by Howard Zinn) I believe only in the United States and S. Africa are you born and identified at birth by a racial designation.
- bcultral
over reactions by dumb asses. simple
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Robin - I am still waiting for your thoughts regarding my instances of being the object of racism by "People of Color".
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
Agreed, Lindsey. Think of all the ethnic cleansing during the 20th century alone.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I'm a cartoon writer and know many cartoonists, including syndicated cartoonists. The people who assume the monkey is Obama are being the racists, IMO. It's clear that the cartoonist is saying that the stimulus bill may as well have been written by an ape. Did Obama write the stimulus bill? NO! This controversy is for those people looking to be offended and who enjoy being self-righteous victims.
- Dawn
If you're reading racism or even anything about Pres. Obama into the cartoon, you're shooting in the wrong direction. The cartoon's purpose is to jokingly indicate that a monkey could have written the bill because it was just thrown together. The Pres. didn't write the bill. The cartoonist was inspired by the fact that a monkey got shot. It had nothing to do with a particular person.
- Carl Pruitt
@carl: i think you're aboslutely right about the illustration... but look at how many comments and alternate (mis)interpretations this one cartoon has spawned. I thought racism ended the day obama won the election. hahahaha! think again.
- .LAG liked that
Dean. I think you make my point. If you're not in the race that's targeted, it's easy to think that no racism exists. People who haven't experienced racism don't think it exists, hence the wide difference in polls of white and black people in America. And, in answer to Chris's question, people are changed from experience or acquiring empathy. "Walk a mile" has a lot of truth.
- Rod Bauer
Sorry Rod, I happen to agree with the woman who said "This controversy is for those people looking to be offended and who enjoy being self-righteous victims." At some point, everyone becomes a victim of some sort of prejudice (albeit in varying degrees). It is possible not to see racism where it exists and it is possible to see racism where it doesn't. This situation is the latter. Want an example of the former? Go review Rev. Lowery's benediction at Obama's inauguration.
- Dean Rodgers
Oh really? Care to point out the former? I'm sure this is going to be fantastic.
- Richard Lawler
I did.
- Dean Rodgers
If nothing else, this cartoon got people talking about race. It may not be constructive since no one seems to be able to understand the other's point of view, but it is out of the closet and on the table for discussion. I have relatives of mixed race who assure me they recieve prejudice equally from both sides. The most important factor is that we are much less different from each other...
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- Phil Boiarski
wow. I didn't think that this would end up with 160 comments when I posted it. They say that sometimes great art makes you think and creates dialog and conversation. Not that I'm calling this or any other op/ed political cartoons art. But I do wonder the intent of the artist and if as much forethought went into this cartoon's creation as discussion and controversy have followed it's publication.
- Thomas Hawk
What the hell does the monkey have to do with the stimulus package? Geez, it's like the election all over again. "Oh no, these stuffed monkeys we're carrying with Obama's name on them? Got nothing to do with racism!" Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
- Steven Perez
I think the bottom line is that people who don't acknowledge that this cartoon expresses racist intent are living with their head in a hole in the ground. And that's the reason that racism still exists in America. We allow it to.
- Rod Bauer
Someone posted this on their FB profile yesterday and I said pretty much what Rod said here. This is a disgrace it goes beyond the acceptable satire of a political cartoon and steps directly into racism. But then again it's the NYPost, so I suppose expected anything less than crappy editorial decisions and questionable ethics is silly.
- Cathy Brooks
from twhirl
The cartoon is way out of line. The Post should apolgize to the President.
- John Flynn
OMG
- Blake Caldwell
I didn't even read this as being the President....as my first thought was Congress being the Monkeys. Come on people, really...it's a cartoon. Editorial at that. I have seen pictures showing Bush as a monkey...where is your Outrage then? No apology needed I say.
- Kreg Steppe
Congratulations on being wrong, Kreg.
- teh Dork Knight
Im more surprised the Animal Rights People havent been more vocal of this cartoon ,,, like someone said its a CARTOON .. if anything more focus should be on the woman that is suffering in hospital , with near critical injurys after 7 hours of surgery ,,,
- johnpiercy
The NY Times coverage on this cartoon here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
- Thomas Hawk
I understand if you don't want to attempt to justify your accusation Dean. I've heard that statement before, it just wasn't on friendfeed.
- Richard Lawler
love all the people who are trying to downplay this incident by casting it off as (political) "satire," use their own experience(s) of being targeted in a racist manner at some point in their lives by someone of colour or even insisting that those who are offended by this image are wrong and that they are the ones who are actually missing the point. you all kill me. please get your heads out of your asses
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee, President Obama didn't write the bill. This cartoon has NOTHING to do with him.
- Mattb4rd
I understand there's a lot of ways to interpret this but isn't this all a bunch of meta? Perhaps the conversation should be about the actual stimulus bill. It's like arguing about the flag when the real conversation is about freedom.
- AJ Kohn
Regardless of the fact that monkeys can be construed as racist, and the fact that we have a black president, there is no way to know for sure what the intent here was since there was actually a mad chimp recently shot down by police. Basically, you make your own truth. In the end, does it matter? Are you going to do something about it? I, personally, don't think it was intentionally racist.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Mattb4rd - i'm aware obama didn't write the bill. regardless, obama pushed it and campaigned for this stimulus bill and in many people's eyes, it's practically one in the same. i think anyone would be naive to miss the implication of this imagery -- imagery that holds a very negative historical connotation with a lot of people in this country. my gripe is how some people are dictating how those who are offended by this image and message should really feel as if their viewpoints are null and void.
- Cee Bee
Wow heard about the cartoon and figured it was much ado about nothing, but after seeing it, um yeah, that's racism as far as i was raised. I would flip through the comments for the rationale behind trying to make it not so but i'm guessing it would make me feel worse for our country than i already do.
- Steve C
Cee Bee. I can agree with that. There's at least one poster in this thread that has implied that white people cannot opine about racism because they are white and therefore racist by birth. (?)
- Mattb4rd
It felt racist to me the minute I saw it.
- Rick Cogley
Funny how nobody was ever offeneded by the Bush is a chimp industry, http://www.google.com/search... where you will find 8 Million results and countless images of Bush pictures morphing into a chimp.
- Brian
The economy: Multiple crises, no single solution - Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/news...
Philip J Beyer and Jonathon liked this
Here's a straightforward easy to understand Q&A type article on the current financial problems facing the U.S. and the various legislative solutions being employed and discussed.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Crawling is imminent - likely in the next few days. We are certifiably doomed.
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At this point, the twins' meandering across the carpet is like freestyle swimming - forward, one arm at a time, body side to side. But they are both rearing up and figuring out their knees could be useful.
- Louis Gray
One of the joys of FriendFeed is watching Louis Gray's kids grow up. Babies are AWESOME - if they're someone elses. :)
- Internet's Tad
Better take the knobs off the stove. Yay for kids on the move!
- Oldengrey (Jay)
You are BLESSED, not doomed. Enjoy every moment.
- ron k jeffries
They are growing soooo fast.
- Mona Nomura
Be afraid, Louis. My oldest was walking at 9 months and climbing out of his crib at 9 1/2 months. Twins communicate silently and are right now plotting your doom ;)
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
Robert, you get it! You think I don't see them babbling to each other over the crib divider, and catch them plotting? It's as if they both choose to, at the same time, go to opposite corners of the room and cause trouble. The only solution? Leashes.
- Louis Gray
I loved the crawling stage. Watching them figure it out is fascinating.
- Anika
Hahahah ... you have caught them communicating ... you fool! They *want* you to see that ... it is the mind meld that you need to be afraid of. In that, you have no defense :) The opposite corner pranks are just them testing your mettle. Wait till they actually start their evil plan of domination :) :)
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
Oh, and don't think that they won't have ways of releasing themselves from those leashes ... Muwahahaha ;)
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
We r in ur cribz, figuring out the plotz... or something like that. :) My cousin has twin boys and they're quick. You better be fit to handle the double trouble... :-)
- Holger Eilhard
The scary part is, everytime you turn back, the leashes will be on ... you will never figure out how they do it ... <snicker>
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
Weer in r mindz plottinz ur doomz ;)
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
<3
- Yolanda
Yep.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Love the blur of the "action photo" in the second pic. :-)
- Trish R
Just wait til crawling turns to walking. Hooboy.
- Martha
Just wait for the stair climbing - that's what we're dealing with right now, and it's not doing good for my blood pressure.
- Jesse Stay
Will Matthew soon be crawling his way up toward Seattle?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Once they start to crawl, child-proof your drawers and stairs!
- imabonehead
Crawling leads to the weeble wobble stage, one of the funniest stages.
- Russ Jackson
Cameron, our 6 1/2 month old, is using his arms to army crawl all over the house... it's definitely a whole other ballgame when they're moving around
- Nathan Chase
cute
- Greg
1 Random Thing - http://site.despair.com/1random...
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Unix time will be 1234567890 on Friday, February 13 at 15:31:30 PST
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Y2K!
- Colby Olson
The end of days?
- Dave Winer
No, it should not be end of days, but there may be a problem in 2019 (I think it was about storage limit of bigint or mediumint)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Don't worry, we always have failover to IMP1 http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~lk... with auto-reboot of teh interwebz.
- michael silverton
Or Saturday, February 14 at 00:31:30 CET - On Valentine's Day :)
- Wojciech Polak
Try it out yourself. In Ruby: Time.parse('2009-02-14 01:31:30 +0200').to_i
- Soyapi Mumba
Soyapi: +0200 is EET, CET is UTC+1
- Wojciech Polak
Wojciech: It's also CAT which what I'm on :) It works long as the hour and the Timezone correspond
- Soyapi Mumba
Notice that it falls on Friday the 13th in the Yucatan. The Mayans predicted this. ;)
- John Craft
Royal flush!
- Tobias Boonstoppel
Top 10 Signs Your Co-Worker is a Hacker | Demonicious.com - http://demonicious.com/2009020...
Tapio Kulmala, Anthony Citrano, bcultral and 5 other people liked this
10. You ticked him off once and your next phone bill was $20,000. 9. He’s won the Publisher’s Clearing House sweepstakes 3 years running. 8. When asked for his phone number, he gives it in hex. 7. Seems strangely calm whenever the office LAN goes down. 6. Somehow gets HBO on his PC at work. 5. Mumbled, “Oh, puh-leeez,” 95 times during the movie, “The Net.” 4. Massive RRSP contribution made in half-cent increments. 3. Video dating profile lists “public-key encryption” among turn-ons. 2. When his computer starts up, you hear, “Good Morning, Mr. President.” 1. You hear him murmur, “Let’s see you use that Visa card now, fool.”
- Michael Fidler
from Bookmarklet
Amazing catch! Amazing game!
Alfredo, Philip J Beyer, Rachel Lea Fox and 8 other people liked this
what game?
- tom tom
All of them!
- Jordan Hofker
Is Photoshop Cheating? | XposurePro | Digital Photography Tips - http://xposurepro.com/2009...
Anthony Citrano, Rob Brammeld, Adriana E. Reyes and 28 other people liked this
"Many photographers today have never stepped foot in a traditional darkroom, let alone spent 10-20 years working in one. This is a major factor that fuels a lot of the confusion surrounding Photoshop. Photoshop is not a magical piece of software. In fact, the only reason Photoshop can be considered a groundbreaking piece of photographic history, is in its cost and efficiency. The tools in Photoshop used by Photographers are based off traditional methods. In fact, I cannot think of a single thing that Photoshop can do for me as a professional photographer that I myself cannot accomplish in a chemical darkroom. In some cases, it might take a little trial and error, an enormous amount of time and end up requiring a costly investment in supplies … but I have complete faith that I could do it. What Photoshop actually does is it allows me to get the exact same thing done in a fraction of the time and with absolutely no expense in supplies. The benefits of digital imaging relate to nothing more than profit and pr"
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Do you think it's worth upgrading to iLife '09?
- Caleb
It depends what you term "cheating". Colour correction - certainly not. Reshaping a model's face and body - hell yes. There is a public backlash coming against the latter, but it might take a few years to really dig in.
- Jonathan Beckett
Caleb, I've never used iLife.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I'd love to see you do some clone tool magic using an enlarger. ;)
- Bill Koslosky
If you're a skilled photographer who is also skilled in Photoshop, you're a force to be reckoned with. Said a different way, if you're an excellent traditionalist without skills in the digital darkroom, the day will come when you can't compete. Just IMHO.
- Peter Liu
I do miss the days of the real darkroom. They were always an especially nice place to take a date. ;) I pretty much had access to school darkrooms all through high school and college working as the yearbook and newspaper editor. Working in a darkroom can be a lot of fun. But I can't image the tedious and time consuming work today with digital tools that are so much better.
- Thomas Hawk
(unfortunately for me) Peter has it right. The person with combined darkroom/mad PS skills takes the cake. I learn things I'd never pick-up on Lynda watching this type of individual...including the origin of PS tools. Who knew they came from actual photography methods(sadly I'm not kidding)?
- Jess
@Caleb - I just got iLife 09... face detection was the major reason i got it. It's got some cool ties into flickr and facebook too - tags syncing (I believe two-way), etc. So far, so good. I'm moving my photo organization to iPhoto, only using Aperture for initial upload and processing. Check out the face detection screenshot I put up: http://tinyurl.com/bn54k5
- Blake Caldwell
I think it is cheating. I would consider changes made in the darkroom to be cheating too. Guess I'm a purist with crappy photos, but I can easily say none of them are doctored.
- Becca
People fear what they don't understand and besides, change is hard.
- Rodney Urton
All photography is "cheating." There's nothing realistic about a photograph. It's an object, a manipulation of light. It's a fallacy to believe that a photograph captures reality. The only area where one needs to draw the line is in photojournalism or other forms of documenting visuals, but even in those cases the photograph manipulates. I could take 10 photographs of a battlefield and tell 10 different stories about what happened there.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I *loved* working in the darkroom and miss it too. I think it will be around for a long time for artistic reasons. It's like charcoal drawing vs. watercolors--two different media. But we manipulate in the camera, we manipulate in the darkroom and we manipulate in Photoshop. What's the difference?
- Rod Bauer
Saying Photoshop is "cheating" is like the music industry saying iTMS is "cheating". It's lower cost, lower effort, higher output and it's here to stay. Also, + (everything that Rod Bauer said two comments above mine).
- Gary
I don't think Photoshop is cheating. Photography is an art form. The importance is the end product and the meaning behind it not so much how you go there. If you use Photoshop to "fix" your photo then so what? If you use it to create something very creative, great.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have only used Photoshop on several occasions , I have relied on either the best image out of the camera or small tweaks out of Ilife or other photoediting . Photoshop can create works of "Art" . Google "Bert Monroy"
- johnpiercy
I have little desire to spend 1 hour on one photo to make it look "perfect" . I enjoy spending the time taking the photograph's and not fussing over them
- johnpiercy
Honestly, there is photography (where you make sure the photo is great before it comes off the camera), there is digital art (no photography involved), and there is a the cross between the two. Photoshop has it's place in each category, to a certain extent. I think that it is never cheating, used in the right context. But, if you are working with photography, in a photography industry, you need to learn the basics of photography. You can't fix a bad photo with good Photoshop skills, no matter how you try.
- Danielle Closs
I agree with ScottBourne and Rod Bauer. Unless you're a photojournalist, whose job is to accurately represent what he/she sees, then your photography is a work of art. Art is about what the artist wants to convey. Maybe what you captured in camera isn't exactly what you "meant"... Why should you limit yourself to that one step in the process when there are tools to help your achieve your vision? Use them... make wonderful things... don't be ashamed of it... that's what they're there for...
- Her Lindsay-ness
so reading my post link.... what do I do? photoshop or not?
- Rob Sellen :o)
That doesn't mean I'm not proud if I happen to capture something in camera that doesn't need any tweaking. It's nice and it saves me time later. But I enjoy taking a drab, otherwise boring (but well composed) picture and processing it into something that really communicates the mood or message I saw in my head when I took the picture. Photoshop enables me to do that cheaply and efficiently, and it does take some skill to do that, and I am always trying to improve my skills with the camera and after.
- Her Lindsay-ness
@Danielle - as for bad photos... you'd be surprised what you can do with them. I have "saved" many a photo with Photoshop... And I have "repurposed" many bad photos as well... using them for the basis of some abstract art, as a color palette inspiration, in pieces for collage...
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay, exactly. I've saved many a "bad" shot by reprocessing it as an abstract. In fact these sorts of shots have sometimes been amongst my most popular.
- Thomas Hawk
Photoshop is to photos as make-up is to humans (male or female). It is all in the eye of the beholder. ;)
- Mona Nomura
This whole idea of photography as REAL and Photoshop is fake is a losing battle. Every step in the process of photography is a manipulation. Which moment you chose, which lens or camera, which angle, whether you moved the bodies on the battlefield before capturing them on plate glass, which things you decided not to photograph, which can on the shelf you decided to professionally light and photograph for the client's catalog, how you cropped the photo in the enlarger or even in an app... (part 1)
- Paula W
Past photographers had a greater arsenal of techniques for manipulating photos than you realize. Perhaps it took a lot longer, and required special skills, but photography was never a pure art for capturing the real, not even from the early days when it took so long to take a photo in low light, people had to be strapped into devices, so they could stand long periods at awkward poses. The photographer always had the power to manipulate and present truth as they wished, as far as their skills and art allowed
- Paula W
Did someone remove that link I mentioned?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Nikon D200 Review - http://digital-photography-school.com/nikon-d...
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"The Nikon D200 made its debut just over 3 years ago and has since been replaced by the D300. However, this doesn’t mean the D200 is completely out of the picture. We’ve been using the Nikon D200 as one of our primary workhorses in the studio for almost 2 years and I can safely say it has proven itself to be a powerful asset. Since the introduction of the Nikon D300, prices on the D200, which was originally priced just under $2000, have dropped as low as $799. This makes the D200 a very tempting purchase for any photographer."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
One of the questions that I seem to get the most is people asking me advice on what camera to buy. That's a tough question and depends on a lot of things (like budget,etc.) but I almost always recommend that people looking to get into DSLR photography consider a good used Canon (something like the 10D or 20D) or Nikon (like the D200) rather than buying a new camera. You can get these much cheaper than a new camera on eBay and make sure you are going to spend the time with the camera before investing big $
- Thomas Hawk
I'm about to buy the D40... good choice?
- Caleb
That's right in my price range for an entry level - GOOD - camera. will have to check this one out
- Susan Beebe
then if you find you really like DSLR photography you can easily sell these cameras back on eBay without a big loss and upgrade to a more expensive system. I recommend Nikon and Canon primarily because of their range of lenses available and the popularity of these systems means you might be able to try out your friend's lenses as well.
- Thomas Hawk
I had a D200 for quite a while, and it's a fantastic camera. I feel stupid for selling it, in fact, and may end up buying a used one so I have a good backup body.
- Anthony Citrano
the D200 is a good camera. A solid workhorse and you can get them for cheaper than buying a new system if you buy it on eBay. This and a cheap but solid 50mm prime are a great place for someone to start.
- Thomas Hawk
We have several that we use for events not requiring heavy hitting but needing more than the candid capabilities of a D70 or D80. I have only had one throw a CHR error and its at Nikon now. The rest just keep going. (um, knock, knock)
- ThePicMan
Anthony, give me a shout if you want to buy another D200. It is a workhorse, but I've gone FX and plan on selling off my DX gear, lenses, etc.
- William Beem
William, if you were nearby I'd probably take it today. Need a backup body for a gig tomorrow, and have not planned it well. [i.e. really need to use two lenses, but cannot be switching lenses] But sure, ping me (find my contact info at http://www.citrano.com) ....
- Anthony Citrano
I just got a D700, and I"ve been thinking of getting a D200 as a backup body, or one for when I travel to more rugged terrain.
- Trevin
Thomas - ebay idea is great. I need to sell my older digital camera and video equipment and reinvest those dollars in cool new stuff! :)
- Susan Beebe
Is there any reason to go with a D200 over a D90?
- Aaron Crews
d200 has a better body, AI metering, a bit bigger and more complex/feature-rich, amazing low-iso performance and color, is generally a bit more of a "pro" camera; a d90 is smaller and a tad simpler, has video, a better lcd, a few more pixels, better dynamic range, and lower noise at higher ISOs.
- Anthony Citrano
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