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Cool iPhone augmented reality toolkit just demoed to cheers. Details:
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From http://twitter.com/haseman... At #iphonedevcamp The first version of #ARkit our #opensource #AugmentedReality toolkit for iPhone3GS http://su.pr/2bVfPv about 3 hours ago from web
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Augmented reality is really taking off! The weekly Best Buy ad in the newspaper has an AR tag on the cover. It works at http://bestbuyin3d.com
- Pete Barry
Awesome! Did they show the ghosts? I was helping with that part =)
- Kevin Cheng
Any idea how we make use of the toolkit, there is new download at the link, I'm new to iPhone Dev, so I'm probably missing something.
- Keith Moon
It is new and I don't have all the details yet. Yes, they showed the ghosts. Funny!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
http://code.google.com/p... for the source
- Kevin Cheng
What does augmented reality mean ?
- Mark
from iPhone
Mark you aim your iPhone at things and it tells you about them.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
So I would aim it at a poster for a west end show and I would get reviews and tickets etc ?
- Mark
from iPhone
Android has more and better augmented reality. There are more Android phones out there than iphone 3gs, soon about a dozen new Android phones are coming out from Samsung, Dell, Acer, Huawei, Philips, Motorola, Archos, Asus, Creative and others
- Charbax
Mark: that is part of it but think the world, not apps. Go watch some videos on YouTube to see what AR does.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Will do when I get home on my wifi the 3g sucks here on iphne
- Mark
from iPhone
Thanks for the tweet Robert, the website of the Augmented reality kit is available : http://www.iphonear.org
- Charles Ruelle
Robert, remember the ghosts on iPhone ARKit? We have a beta that's almost ready for the appstore. If you have a 3GS, let me know and we can get you a test version if you like!
- Kevin Cheng
pjbfcp on Are there any albums that you can listen to the whole way through because every song is just THAT good? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here, Animals, Dark Side of the Moon, Meddle Alice in Chains Dirt Beatles Abbey Road Bob Marley Legend The Cure Head on a Door Danzig Danzig Frank Black Frank Black Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction Harry Connick Jr. Blue Light Red Light Jayhawks Hollywood Town Hall Lou Reed New York Minor Threat Out of Step Morphine Cure for Pain My Chemical Romance The Black Parade Nine Inch Nails Pretty Hate Machine Peter Gabriel Us Phish Rift Pixies Doolittle Prince Purple Rain R.E.M. Green Radiohead Kid A, Hail to the Thief and OK Computer Red Hot Chili Peppers Mothers Milk Rolling Stones Let it Bleed and Some Girls Sigur Ros () Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream Soul Coughing Ruby Vroom Spiritualized Pure Phase, Let it Come Down and Songs in A&E Styx Grand Illusion Sugar File Under Easy Listening Talking Heads Stop Making Sense They Might Be Giants Flood This Will Destroy You Young Mountain Tom Waits Big Time, Bone Machine, Rain Dogs, Swordfish Trombones, Mule..."
- Pete Barry
User Experience Vision Videos - http://www.lukew.com/ff...
...its been 12 years since Apple released a vision video. Instead they ship visionary products.
- Pete Barry
Re: Why I wont be at #smbmsp tomorrow. - http://www.mitchellhislop.com/why-i-w...
"For me the SMBMSP events have become less valuable as a resource for educational information. I believe that this is because of growth in the level of understanding that I have for social media and for breakfast. I am grateful for the insight and inspiration which SMBMSP has provided. I think that there are plenty of people left in MSP who would greatly benefit from attending some of these events. There's bacon for gods sake! The last event I attended was more to socialize, network, shmooze and support the community than it was to learn. While I do value the the great service that Rick provides I can't help but feel that It would be great if there was a SMLMSP. This Social Media Lunch could be for more intermediate folks with a little better understanding of the SMBMSP stuff. There could als be a SMDMSP, Social Media Dinner, for those Social Media Experts in town. Of course no one would ever show up because by doing so they'd be admitting to thinking that they're an expert. Should the..."
- Pete Barry
Apple Keynote in Early September: What The Heck Is it For? - http://www.fastcompany.com/node...
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iTunes 9 and the Beatles is my guess.
- Pete Barry
Advertising: Inside Best Buy's Augmented-Reality Ad - Advertising Age - Digital - http://adage.com/digital...
Modern Climate in Ad Age!
- Pete Barry
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Georg Klein Home Page - http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~gk...
Georg Klein at the University of Oxford / Active Vision Lab. Real-time camera tracking and SLAM for Augmented Reality.
- Pete Barry
Augmented Reality Twitter is the Coolest Thing Ever - http://mashable.com/2009...
Lesson: Never wait to build your good idea. Someone else will beat you to it.
- Pete Barry
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Traditional Marketing Budgets Lose to Interactive - http://www.mediapost.com/publica...
Why watch an ad when you can't play with it? Interactive makes everything Kittens.
- Pete Barry
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Re: We’re In! - http://truthandrobots.com/...
"This is some awesome news! I'm really loving that the new space lends itself to fostering creativity. These instruments will make it even better. After the Cajon, I'd love to see an analog synth get added."
- Pete Barry
Re: test post - http://diesel:7171/...
"When I wake up yeah I know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man who wakes up next to you"
- Pete Barry
Gizmodo - Anti-Abuse Bus Stop Ad Only Batters Women When Nobody's Looking - Bus stop domestic violence ad - http://gizmodo.com/5302856...
Great advertising. Sad subject but great ad.
- Pete Barry
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Kodak Retires KODACHROME Film; Celebrates Life of Oldest Film Icon in its Portfolio - http://www.earthtimes.org/article...
Wow! The end of an era.
- Pete Barry
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The iPhone version of TweetDeck reduces the potential for self-Tweetelation.
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I want to follow myself on Twitter. I'm my biggest fan!
- Pete Barry
That is just awesome!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
the speed on computer versions is amazing... and the little cloud icon is kinda fun
- Courtney Engle
This is a very cool adaptation of the desktop version. I like what I see so far.
- Ken Camp
i can't seem to get it to sync my search columns...
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
RoamBi: Dynamic Data Visualization for the iPhone - http://infosthetics.com/archive...
F-ing awesome!
- Pete Barry
Why Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg are wrong about naming Web 3.0 “Web 3.0″ - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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The 2010 Web is a far better name, I detail some reasons why.
- Robert Scoble
because except the expression, no one has a single clue about what it is. them included. why don't we just call it the web and quit the BS expressions
- Ouriel Ohayon
Another over analysis Robert? Web 2010 is about as useful as calling it Web 3.0. At least with Web 3.0, we know people are talking about the logical next step to Web 2.0.
- Trevin
Ouriel: because the web TODAY is different from the web that existed in 1994.
- Robert Scoble
Trevin: that isn't true, actually. Many parts of today's web have nothing to do with web 2.0 stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: the web is always changing, from day 1. we need a new version of it every single day. Web X.0 should be then....Or why don t we do like wine...Web09/10/11/12
- Ouriel Ohayon
I think whatever web we are in right now is so far away from the was termed "web 2.0" that although it seems logical to call it "web 3.0" it really is a totally new thing. Why not just say "real-time web"... that's closer to what this has become, imho.
- Eric Nakagawa
I mean, if you really want to break down the web into "eras" or "decades" then I guess 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 makes sense. Web 1.0 was about getting a web page. Web 2.0 was about adding people and interactivity to those pages. Web 3.0 is about exploding those pages.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: real time is only a small piece of the 2010 web. There are a few other pieces as well.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't it bed time yet?
- Jose Alvear
Ouriel: putting year numbers onto the web, like we do with wine, serves a lot of purposes and doesn't hold us back like when we use version numbers.
- Robert Scoble
Jose: it's always bed time. :-)
- Robert Scoble
3.0 shouldn't be used because the Web isn't an iterative software update (which the numbering suggests) and 2010 shouldn't be used because it isn't descriptive either. Both are weird terms developed by entities to describe a thing that *they* want. The Web is simply the Web, which is a platform for Read-Write communication. It is too encompassing in terms of what it does and is used for (and it's also amazingly simple).
- Brad_King
I don't know how you guys do it...my eyes are croosed
- John kowal
Ok, I'll bite. Yes, it's lame to call it Web 3.0. Maybe we should call it Web 2.4.
- Jose Alvear
There isn't a massive difference between Web 2.0 and 3.0 in my opinion like they're was that of Web 1.0 and 2.0. Calling it 3.0 seems stupid as I think the Web needs to evolve alot more before this new stage is classed as Web 3.0
- Nicholas James
John: heheh. If you want we can start a Mac vs. PC argument again. Those have been going on since the 1980s and they are always good for a little light disagreement.
- Robert Scoble
Grand Canyon 4.0, the 2009Erosion
- Brad_King
Robert:We can find criticism in any name we give "it" -- web 3.0, web 2010, web 2.4, Web Foo. But giving a name to the next step in its evolution over it's current state is what's important. Web 2010 is particularly bad because it's limiting it to only 1 year.
- Trevin
Brad: I'd love it if we could NOT name the web, but it's human to want to put a name on the changes we're seeing.
- Robert Scoble
Is Web 3.0 in alpha or beta release yet?
- Brad_King
When does it go gold?
- Brad_King
Brad: Google isn't naming it, so forget the "beta" tag :)
- Trevin
Trevin: years work in wine and cars. I just bought a 2010 Prius. Toyota seems to deal just fine that they have to come out with new stuff every year.
- Robert Scoble
Trevin: Well it is a date in the future... so it's at least forward looking.
- Eric Nakagawa
I'm with you.
- ruy fortini
How about Interwebz 2010 instead?
- Jose Alvear
to hard to spell
- John kowal
Ruy: well at least one guy is. Thanks! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
It's like the naming of movie sequels, they're always lame, Terminator 2/3/4! ;)
- Colin
@Trevin: hehehe. @Robert: the Web isn't a car. Berners-Lee doesn't name the Web. He talks of iterations of how it can be used. But it's still descriptive from the Web perspective. I go with his analysis. (I can handle you better when I'm in Europe, 9 hours ahead - otherwise your energy outlasts mine. You may make me move here just to keep up with you).
- Brad_King
Robert: Unlike wine and cars, evolutions/technology shouldn't be limited by a calendar year, especially since it's not as specific. New technology comes out on Jan 1, 2011? Oops, let's get confused and call it Web 2011 :)
- Trevin
Just finished working on Tron2..Still in production
- John kowal
one of the reasons i like your 'naming' is that it puts a time to it. we could wait for the developments or put an urgency behind the desire. again, this is about a) empowering the democratization of smart data. b) aligning the 'smart' nodes. c) doing 'smart' actions, more efficiently..
- michael sean wright
Robert it's wrong to use the car analogy here. Car makers have to do that. The web is the web. It's continually evolving. Next year will you be talking about Web2011 or 2012? I hope not.
- Gilbert Harding
How about Web 3:16?
- Brad_King
Brad: LOL!
- Trevin
Gilbert: yes, I think the Web DOES change fast enough to warrant talking about the "modern trends" and putting a name to those. Having Web 2.0 for eight years was lame. It's time we got rid of that way of naming what we do.
- Robert Scoble
(and to answer @Robert's *actual* question: yes, Kara and Walt are completely and absolutely wrong in calling it that.)
- Brad_King
Isn't the catch-phrase for the next version in development right now, "The Real-time web"? ;)
- Colin
I don't mind you not calling "eras" anything. But that won't happen. Too many book publishers and too many conference owners want to put names on trends to make it easier to market their products.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: that is 2010True ;)
- Brad_King
Colin: the real time web is a PIECE of what's happening this year. It doesn't explain EVERYTHING.
- Robert Scoble
They should use SHA1-hashes ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Colin: I thought it was the social web.
- Jose Alvear
Guilty as charged Robert
- Colin
You have to be able to tell people what you're doing, and if you can sum it up in one word and people know what it means, that's a good thing!
- Colin
It will come down to whatever resonates, sticks with the most people, and is regurgitated on MSM - Web 3.0, although grossly misnamed, may end up being easier to report. Plus it's 1-char shorter than "Web 2010" for you twitter folks!
- Eric Nakagawa
Jose: Social Web isn't just what's going on ;)
- Nicholas James
Jose: The Social Web works as well, I think it's more likely we will use these terms to describe the history of the web
- Colin
No one term or phrase will ever describe what the Web is doing; it depends upon the audience. This is simply Read-Write/Input-Output - there is nothing new, simply quicker iterations of it. But let's face it, whatever O'Reilly decides, we'll call it.
- Brad_King
Yes, I think historians will look back at this era, and know exactly what to call it.
- Jose Alvear
I agree Robert but you propose replacing one naming convention with another. It's moving too fast for that. Plus you have to consider the millions of web users who really don't care what it's called here as long as it works. It's todays web. Let's leave it at that.
- Gilbert Harding
Brad: actually I think O'Reilly isn't who will decide this time. I think it'll be the Twitter team who will decide.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble What's a good example of an 'exploding' 3.0 site you can think of?
- Daniel Carroll
Gilbert: "today's web" doesn't sell as many conference tickets as "web 3.0" or "2010 web." That's what will decide what the name will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like how you changed the sub-title of your blog already! I guess I missed that earlier
- Jose Alvear
Daniel: http://www.twittervision.com displays your Tweets. That looks NOTHING like what was around in 1994 or 2001.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: so we're down to grubby economics. OK.
- Gilbert Harding
I can't wait until Web 10.0
- Jose Alvear
Gilbert: isn't that how all these things get decided? Naming is almost always about commerce. Look at all the brands all around you. Why come up with names and logos and all that? Money. Grubby money. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Just because they don't use 1 particular website makes them unqualified...IDK about that
- Kyle Cherry
Kyle: bull. I really hate it when people try to tell me they are experts on a trend or a topic without using the tools and leading products/services/companies in that area. Now, they don't need to go nuts like me, but they have to demonstrate they actually TRIED the service and UNDERSTAND what's going on there, even if it's to say "that's lame."
- Robert Scoble
Kyle: I actually agree with Robert on this. Unless you're bombarded with random crap on twitter, or intensely debated topics like naming conventions for Web versions you don't get either of them.
- Eric Nakagawa
Couldn't have agreed more on your PoV
- Sampad Swain
@Robert: I meant O'Reilly as more of a stand-in; this will be decided on by the most popular marketing group + the technologist will decry it (being pithy by saying things like, when is web 3.0 going gold or web 3:16 because they are bitter about the poor naming) and the rest of the world will adopt the loose definition to describe one general trend of events.
- Brad_King
Robert: True. I suppose if your business is selling conference tickets you have to come up with something snappy.
- Gilbert Harding
How about Web XP? or Web Vista? Ok, that's it, good night all!
- Jose Alvear
Jose: heheh. Actually, if you wanted to argue that Kara and Walt were right, you would use "Windows 7" or "OSX" to prove your point. But those actually would weaken your point because operating systems need to be built in releases. The web is totally on a different kind of shipping schedule.
- Robert Scoble
A view of your list through the filter of "real time": mobile - they demoed Wave working on mobile devices. Decentralized - anyone can run a Wave server. Pre-made blocks - Wave can make real time "easy" by providing the server, and even cross server syncing WITH privacy. Social - what real time adds to social should be obvious from the presentation. Smart - looks even smarter with real...
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- invariant - farewell FF
i agree with trevin in that i'm not buying the web 2010 name as a new, generally accepted nomenclature at this time. it is restricting to one year. nor do i feel an urgency to create an authoritative and uniform label for this moment. however, i would understand what robert is referring to when he calls it that since he is insistent on it and refuses to call it anything else. just like...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
invariant: real time is OK with me. I've invested my life in real time technologies lately.
- Robert Scoble
blackfeathers: I just want us to pick a better name this time around. I'm seeing "Web 3.0" get a ton of hype and 2010 Web is a much better way to go. If you see an even better way to go, let's discuss that!
- Robert Scoble
I like Real-Time Web
- Jesse Stay
I give you, Leo Laporte and Steve Gillmor all due credit. I didn't think real time was going to be ubiquitous until I saw the Wave presentation today. FriendFeed has shown its usefulness in a single case. Wave shows it can add to just about any experience on the web. You guys have seen it coming for a while. Kudos.
- invariant - farewell FF
I give the architects of the Internet credit for realizing that real-time computing was coming in the 60s. w00t!
- Brad_King
invariant: and Google hasn't even shown you all of its cards, which is the incredible thing. We're just at the beginning of real time.
- Robert Scoble
I'm with Jesse, Real-Time Web says it clearly.
- Tony Thomas KMPS
what i'm implying is that i'll adapt to whatever nomenclature would fit in a discussion for the benefit of being on the same page. but so far, no label stands out without question; and i don't necessarily feel an impetus to call it specifically any one thing right now. i even questioned web 2.0 because everything feels like a progression in a gradual continuum of advancement -not necessarily a page turned into a distinctively new chapter every time.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
It's more than real-time though - I've also been pushing Open. That hasn't happened until today (fully).
- Jesse Stay
Brad: yeah, last night I had dinner with a former fighter pilot that's doing some crazy stuff with the Navy and got a tour of CIA headquarters and such. All the real time data we think we have? It's lame compared to the real time stuff the government is doing. We'll get there, eventually.
- Robert Scoble
One of the first technical papers from 1960 on the protocols for the Internet mention, in its 3rd subhed, real-time thinking: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/medg...
- Brad_King
@Robert: I know. Or, at least I read - I haven't seen it in action, but what I've heard from my friends around the military (and from folks like Levy) is that the real-time geo-located stuff is basically the scary-coolest shit ever.
- Brad_King
Robert, I'd kill to get a tour of the NSA - I'm sure it's even more real-time there.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse: thatNSA tour ends with Harold and Kumar in Guantanamo Bay
- Brad_King
Brad: he says that their unmanned vehicles gather so much data that they are taking down satellite bandwidth. At Kinnernet a few weeks ago I saw video from Israeli army where they were seeing live streamed video from one of these at night and were able to use the data from the UAV to send a smart bomb in and get right on the target. I'm sure we'll talk about some of this stuff on the aircraft carrier.
- Robert Scoble
bear hug, xmpp, leo laporte, identica/laconica, real-time, it was all a blur when exactly, but putting these elements and events together i had a feeling something was coming... especially with realtime. i spoke to a developer about xmpp and information silos last december. he didn't see any future other than instant messaging. wave helps put these things together, just like (in a loose analogy) a unifying theory in the physics realm.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
@Robert: I think Jesse is right, Open needs to be in there somewhere as well. I think platform wise, that's becoming one of the hallmarks of this. (oh, and man - I would give almost anything to be there. The place I really want to go - the JPL, which has to be doing some crazy stuff too)
- Brad_King
blackfeathers: Wave is going to do some crazy stuff. You should go read Zoho's blog on it. Here, let me find that. Brad and Jesse: of course you're right, but it's a little harder to explain that in one sentence.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: you know who might have an idea, Winer. Open is big to him and I'm guessing that he's thought of this in some way. It's hard in one phrase, BUT open is the hallmark for this growth. Real-time is dependent upon that openness in some way to scale out.
- Brad_King
robert: i agree. i've scoured and read what i can on google's site regarding wave. thx in advance for the link.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Wave makes realtime systems easy to develop. They handle realtime even with two or more servers between each client. That's the key, although the user-level functionality was extremely compelling as well.
- invariant - farewell FF
Okay, I must get back to writing on Chapter 1 - but Robert, as always, has sparked a fascinating discussion. Cheers all. (And for my tastes, FF feels like an adhoc version of Quantum LInk, with chat rooms coalescing around both personalities and topics instead of static topics. I mean that with love.)
- Brad_King
invariant: what's also compelling is the decentralised dynamics of the client-server model with the processing of the flowing information. a server can be a client & vice versa. it looks richer/fuller with the addition of robots and gadgets.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I saw this article only now, more than 2 hours later, because the tool I was using to find it (Google Reader/RSS) was not updating from your site. Ugh.
- Louis Gray
Love the year/car analogy - everyone understands "model" years...and a web model year system follows much the same paradigm. The difference in tech between a '99 car (even a nice one) and a mid-price 2010 car is phenomenal - same goes for web services and data processing.
- Adam Pilbeam
I commented there, and will indeed do so again here, simply because even though someone has a '96 Jetta or whatever, doesn't mean they can't install their own engine, or make other modifications. Still don't like the car model analogy, and not really liking that you believe FF to be what the 2010 will/should be.
- Mike Shields
I see no reason why we can't use both terms interchangeably. In History we see this phenomenon all the time: The Renaissance, The Reformation, The Scientific Revolution, The Industrial Revolution...these terms merely embody ALL of the mass changes that happened in that general frame of time. But any historian knows that elements of those changes were already occurring long before the...
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- Carlton Hackett
Scoble, the web changes every *second* of every day!
- Narendra
Web 3.0 sounds confusing, am ok with Web 2.1 though, i don't know about 2010 web, sounds too much like a Microsoft thing, Office 2007, Visual Studio 2007 if i have to choose between 2010 web and Web 3.0, i would choose Web 3.0 because it sounds better
- Tweet Feeds
Nice post, Scoble. Naming often results in path dependence, framing our vision of what might be from within potentially limited and limiting initial conditions. The movement we might see in the infrastructure of the web in the next two years might be drastically different than Web 2.0; framing that difference as "Web 3.0" can potentially restrict potential growth. As Kenneth Burke puts it, "a way of seeing is also a way of not seeing."
- Brian McNely
brilliant writeup..... interesting that tim himself said web 2.0 was a retrospective trend analysis and not a predictive one... the whole 2.0 thing now is nothing but hype... and now 3.0... the pity is, once the masses get in, a lot of stuff dumbs down to the lowest common denominator... but its possible still to interact with the few that are doing good stuff and now the herd!
- simran
I would have to say I agree but never thought of it this way. I find a new app or new tool or a new way of using an existing one almost every day. When thousands of developers are collaborating in real time 24/7 the pace of change will continue to be mind boggling. Like Tim has said in the past social media is nothing new, it's the mass adoption modern platforms inspire. Version numbers...
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- Mike Elliott
Call me old fashioned, but I still call it "the Internet" (sometimes capitalized, sometimes not). Web 2.0, Web 2010 -- what is this? Microsoft's naming scheme?
- Andy Bakun
The term is neither right or wrong. The web changes constantly. Numbering some phases just puts a frame on it. Nova Spivack of Twine called it best in my opinion by saying that web 1.0 was roughly the '90s, 2.0 this decade and 3.0 will be the coming decade. No need to get obsessed about it and if anybody doesn't like the numbers that's fine too.
- Joe Buhler
@Robert -- spot on
- Ryan Petty
My humble opinion: It might seem pretentious (at least) declare the end of an era and the begginign of another from a personal view. Reminds me Marvin the martian declaring a planet on his behalf. However, the real substance is what kind of Web do we wish for the years to come and how are we working for that becoming real: expanding the access, closing gaps, using it as an empowering tool for world citizens, or addressing global issues for next generations.
- Jorge Acosta
Well said. The whole "Web 2.0" tag is irritating the hell out of me. Even more so when I have to use it myself in order to sell products to people who don't understand anything about what's going on online beyond the fact that they want this catchphrase attached to their site. All it is really used for is to hide the ignorance of people who want to sound like they know what's going on but couldn't explain what they meant by web 2.0, even if you gave them a chart.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
There should be a government regulatory board that ratifies whether websites are 1.0, 2.0, or 3.0 based on a series of specific technical capabilities, when they were founded/created, whether their urls are misspelled words, and what colors are used in their logos. Violations by PR professionals using an inappropriate designation for a particular site will be punished by waterboarding, and for repeat offenders, the inability to use any social networking websites for life.
- Cristo
@Joe Buhler: That's exactly how I feel. The name doesn't matter at all. The web is going to go where it goes wether we name it or not. I think the bottom line of the future web is that everything is going to be interconnected and real-time is just a part of that. Facebook Connect and twitter oauth ect. go in that direction already GWave takes it to a whole other level. There will be no...
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- Kahlil Lechelt
I guess it's always a bit dangerous to start a post saying other people are wrong, and then write as though you have a much better answer... I guess the web are many things to many different people, so can we please stop trying to put it in a box.
- Peter Efland
I deal with a considerable number of small business owners. Some have a web presence (most of which has a 2000 feel to it) and others who are only now looking at a web presence. This I know for sure from personal experience: If one does not use terminology or analogies that are easily understood to explain the daily evolving web one has a problem in getting the idea across. Always...
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- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
This is a great post Robert. It's great to see a clear, simple definition of what's to come. This is a very exciting time and I can't wait for web 2011 or web 3.11 for workgroups. Whichever comes first.
- Pete Barry
Awesome post. Could not agree with you more.... Walt and Kara are the most disconnected people on the web. Walt does not even respond to user comments on articles that he writes for wsj. I think they just said it coz they wanted to be the FIRST to say it. The best host for a conference like that would be you Robert...:)
- venkat
Google Search Options Supports RDFa And Microformats Including hReview, hCard And hProduct - KeywordIntent.com [feedly] - http://www.keywordintent.com/seo-new...
2010 approaches.
- Pete Barry
My mind map for today's talk to CIOs. What else should I add? Keep in mind got 30 minutes. Dicuss here please:
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In the room are CIOs from Home Depot, Pepsi, Johnson and Johnson, Prudential, Bechtel, etc.
- Robert Scoble
Also see here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... for a discussion that we did earlier about what I should tell CIOs.
- Robert Scoble
Theme of my talk is "the 2010 Web."
- Robert Scoble
I don't see XMIND :)
- Tim McDougall
Because of time constraints I'm trying to NOT be comprehensive, but just give a taste of the best of the tech industry innovation lately and what it could mean to their businesses.
- Robert Scoble
ask them how they are measuring all this stuff.
- Brian Watkins
Brian: will do, but in many ways we are too early for measuring. I bet they haven't even heard of a lot of this stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Nice, you popped in Atlassian and Socialtext, good call. Mint though? Bit early isn't it? >> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps...
- Nick Wade
I mean, how many CIOs do you see here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Are ou going to mention backtype or ubervu in the community section?
- dthree
fun stats on why collaboration: http://tinyurl.com/ch83jy
- Carrie Krinock
Nick: that's probably true, but they signed up a million people so are an example of a consumer service that's done well.
- Robert Scoble
David: I might mention them, but I'm not trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
I think open standards need a mention since Microformats is now even supported by Google. Automating to extract information from structured data brings great opportunities.
- Burcu Dogan
Analytics
- George Dearing
Scoble: I think you have to have Twitter, they all know it but it has to be there, it is a platform that engages and ties with a lot of what is in your talk
- Lou Paglia
Mobile is way under-emphasized... I think that's gonna start getting bigger and bigger and bigger...
- Joel Haasnoot
Joel: I agree, I could spend 16 hours just on mobile. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: fair comment re Mint.
- Nick Wade
++Joel completely agree. mobile is bigger than ever now and 2010
- Lou Paglia
Have you added calibration tools for product demos and training ?
- William Lopez
William: no, what kind of tools are you thinking of?
- Robert Scoble
Have fun, remember most people hate sitting in their seats more than 20 minutes, make they get up and down a little. Ask one of them to come up and do pushups.
- Halley Suitt
Halley: um, I'm not THAT brave! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ome emphasis on Web Services - and agree on the Mobile detail required!
- Manoj Menon
Just don't let them challenge YOU to a push-up battle ... no fun, even for me.
- Halley Suitt
could have major topic not about tools but "paradigm shifts", the breakdown of the walls between the enterprise and the rest of the web, 2010 CIOs will contend more than ever with not being able to put four walls around their corporate constituents
- Lou Paglia
I underplay mobile because I could spend hours on just that. Heheh. I have 30 minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Lou: absolutely! That will be a subtext to everything.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, but mobile is moving more and more to tailor-made-mobile, not just a bare bones version of the website: maybe that's a paradigm shift you could mention.
- Joel Haasnoot
If CIO's aren't careful, paradigm shifts become paradigm shafts, as they take a sudden beating in a marketplace.
- Halley Suitt
there is the issue of "mixed discovery" I am missing; a ping pong of subjects and peoples when you use twitter e.g.; you go from @person to #issue to @ person etc ... - that is a new kind of serendipity; could be used to have new ideas about marketing
- Willi Schroll
You forgot to show the Oprah-fication of any modern technology.
- Pete Barry
I am missing the integration bit ... not sure it really exists yet. The problem is that this is way too many tools for any one company. so possibly just a missing item.
- Oliver Thylmann
@halley they can either be part of the movement and coach their organizations through the changes as a thought leader or many can continue to try to put up "sand bags" and there is where the your term, shaft, will come.
- Lou Paglia
What about Hulu under video? For me it's an important piece. :)
- James Furlo
James: good catch.
- Robert Scoble
I just gave a similar talk here in LA yesterday. My take on it as a former CIO is how the consumer/general internet systems are tackling the problems that have plagued enterprise. From single sign on to data portability, transparency, collaboration and real time communication. They need to start looking at these systems as the model for the new enterprise in 2010 and beyond.
- Jerry Schuman
In cloud, what about development availability, S3, EC2, gist, gnip, the glue movement, shared data center and server resources (there's your Rackspace plug)
- Lou Paglia
Boxee might be a good topic as they are trying to make it a media player with a social web component.
- dthree
Lou: that's another area I underplayed on purpose because I could spend an hour there. Personally it'll lead us down a rathole and keep us from talking about the bigger trends. If they start deploying anything new they'll need hosting and we'll be involved in the conversation then.
- Robert Scoble
David: Boxee is a good one to discuss.
- Robert Scoble
an overall theme is the shift in technology moving consumer to enterprise rather than the other way around. For companies its more important than ever to look at what startups/small biz are doing vs thinking "they'll be using my big system in 5 years".
- William Kapes
Should Boxee really be on a CIO's radar at this point, is convergence of web with the digital home even part of the CIO conversation, should it be?
- Lou Paglia
Sometimes I wonder if CIO's really grok the way the folks they support WORK day to day. Sometimes we're at home w/a crying baby, sometimes on the road w/customers, sometimes in the office. As a sales marketing geek for years, I always wanted to scream, "Hey guys, I'm in a rental car on a frigging windy road north of Portland in a thunderstorm trying to connect to the system to get the new pricing sheet, do you GET my life? Help me out here!"
- Halley Suitt
Are you using MindManager for your mindmaps, Robert?
- Rohit
Lou: good point, gotta stay focused a BIT on business, but the changes in TV do have implications. I just was at Adobe and they are enabling 1080p high def to both browsers and TV.
- Robert Scoble
Rohit: yes, this is done with MindManager.
- Robert Scoble
The ideas behind technologies like Wolfram|Alpha and Hunch
- Mike Smith
Robert - Here's a Mindmeister Mind Map that I've been working on here and there for some time now - I don't have geolocation-centric sites listed, but otherwise, this is a handy look at the social-sphere: http://www.mindmeister.com/maps...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Mogulus in the live video section? And why not other sites, like BlipTV or others, for those who edit and upload higher quality videos that are shareable?
- Ken Kaplan
Since these are CIO's you can talk about how sometimes even "outlaw" technologies can find a place in the modern workplace. There are companies using BitTorrent to push out updates among sites, saves on bandwidth since it goes distributed. But I think the biggest focus of your talk, since its you :), should be the influence of the social and real-time web and its impact. Again, your strength and you've only got 30 mins
- William Kapes
@Lou Paglia, got that right.
- Halley Suitt
Ken: good point. I love Blip. But again I wasn't trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
topline think this may be too granular for most CIOs - this group is broad predictions for the path + a few examples. Functionally expand microblogging add Twitter then let niche apps flow from there.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Doesn't LinkedIn apply. There is a lot of professional interaction and the Answers section for mentoring.
- Alan Eggleston
CIOs are going to be most interested in security, and not necessarily hampering the discussion (some will), but rather how they can track what people are saying within the company, and how they can better train those that use social media in the company. At least that was my experience speaking to a similar group of CIOs in Dallas last year.
- Jesse Stay
Alan: I was on purpose leaving out older social networks like Linked In, Twitter, and Facebook. I want to focus on what's disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
not sure if this was asked above...but will there be a video of this, Robert?
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos, nope, sorry. Usually with a small intimate group (only about 20) they want to have off the record conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Unless I missed something there may be a gap in terms of viral video (YouTube, etc), shared image hosting and slideshows, and even presentation sharing (SlideShare, AuthorSTREAM)--with literacy and attention spans down these become key communication components IMHO on two levels -- ease of use (post once link anywhere) and ability to comment and rate to build communities of passion.
- Tom Bunzel
Interesting to see that the OS isn't important to the discussion. Mobile is an overlay of most of what you have. What about talking about desktop apps built on AIR and Silverlight?
- Jim Ierley
Quick question robert: which programs do you use on your mac and iphone to access friendfeed?
- Rohit
Where is Vimeo?.. Hulu..?
- Oğuz Serdar
What about Evernote in the "Cloud and Collaboration" topic? It's ubiquitous... web, desktop, iPhone, Blackberry, etc.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Roger that Robert, understood. Thanks.
- Carlos Ayala
Azure, App Engine, Rack Space Cloud, Amazon EC3, etc... Something had to run all those things in your mind map.
- Jeff Weber
Google Apps under both Office and Collaboration
- Scott McMullan
You can tell them: because of the "cloud" most of them won't have a job in 2 years, because of social-realtime web, most of their businesses won't make it through the depression
- Tweet Feeds
I know you're trying to keep the map slim, but: Google Voice, drop.io, and the mention of Evernote on iphone - the snapnote feature (mobile image capture/upload + OCR + desktop, web/feed access).
- Micah Wittman
Say hi you are on screen
- Robert Scoble
Hi CIOs!
- Jesse Stay
Hi everbody.
- dthree
Jesse the CIO of your church says hi!
- Robert Scoble
hi everyone
- Brian Watkins
Robert tell Joel I said hi back - you two should do lunch some time and have him show you some of the stuff they're doing.
- Jesse Stay
Hope you guys blocked out a few hours of your time. Robert kind of talks a lot.
- Jerry Schuman
Hi CIOs, the smarts are moving to the edges of the organization so dust off your resumes, your roles are obsolete
- Tweet Feeds
I think there will be more mixture between real life and online life. Sharing identities & connections will be as common as exchanging business cards right now. And, I predict, you will be tagging real-life objects with your phone (or your My name is E connector) to put them as favorites online. Or to ask for a product sample with one simple motion (thanks to nfc and rfid). So, 'sharing identities / mixing real and virtual' deserves some attention... Good luck!
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Hi from the Netherlands. Just to point out you need more focus in your MindMap on international collaboration tools :)
- Rene de Vries
Robert, perhaps touch on how they plan to serve the business / marketing side more effectively? Maximize available man hours, evolve prioritization criteria, etc.
- Jeff
Oh. And great to see Wakoopa on the list there. 'You are what you use' is a pretty powerful social indicator.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
How about adding VMware under Cloud and Communities.
- Shobhana
@Home Depot: I'm no Luddite, but I did not at all like the automated checkouts at first. Now I'm coming around - last week had the quickest turn-around shopping experience at a hardward store that I can remember. Sorry, back on topic now :)
- Micah Wittman
i would add geezeo next to mint and perhaps txtblaster next to tatango
- Allen Stern
Live mesh,live office for collaboration.
- ashish
Nice job, Robert. $1 to first CIO (other than me) from that room who responds to this message. :)
- Joel Dehlin
Joel you're one of the *only* CIOs I know that uses FriendFeed. You've been using it for over a year now I think, haven't you?
- Jesse Stay
from email
Jesse: I think there may be a few other ones onto friendfeed, but I think I might have shocked them with a look at my real time feed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Joel, nice meeting you, I'll find out the answer to your question. Can you follow me here on friendfeed so I can DM you?
- Robert Scoble
Don't forget about Dropbox under "cloud and collaboration". One of my favorite tools by far.
- Brandon Titus
Under Consumer, I would add a major value and coupon site like RedPlum.com personally as companies like Home Depot and Pepsi can relate to this.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@scobleizer Awesome mindmap. Why does youtube not make the map under video?
- Kevin Murray
perty, good job much better than a power p prezzo
- sofarsoShawn
Kevin: now that I've given a speech I need to go through and make it much more complete. For the speech I was going for disruptive stuff that was changing right now and that would jog my memory. As it was we didn't get through the complete list. 30 minutes flies by.
- Robert Scoble
like that I could read your mindmap on my iphone - funny though when I saw web 2010 I thought - ah robert is providing a glimpse of the future to disconnected cio's - then realized that's a little over 7 months away - wow time flies :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: and keep in mind that the car industry has changed the definition of a year anyway. I'm getting my 2010 Prius in a week or two.
- Robert Scoble
true
- mike "glemak" dunn
To adopt any of this nascent social media, there must be an almost immediate ROI. Otherwise, it's nothing more than an amusement.
- Don Bonaddio
D@mn Don! On the noesy!
- Arleen Anderson
Don: there is a lot of money in amusements. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
after reading this thread "better" - there have been many cto's on friendfeed for awhile now, different dna than cio's - justsayn :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
you covered all that in 30mins? Or was this the handout.
- Ryan Stanley
Ryan: we got to one or two nodes. Heheh. I don't do handouts.
- Robert Scoble
You forgot Aviary.
- Mike Shields
Oh, and we should probably discuss it instead :)
- Mike Shields
Did you find most of your audience were already Web 2.0 savvy?
- Ryan Stanley
BBC iPlayer?
- Rupert Watson
ROI - Robert - is there a slide that tells them why? Jack Welch would tell you that if you are not measuring this you are not managing it. The only way to persuade grey beards like me is to show them why it is worthwhile otherwise in this climate more than any other time - experiments for the sake of just learning and playing will get short shrift.
- Simon Rogers
Scobes: thanks for the reply on the youtube q. your mindmap is my new "must understand" check list. thanks again for all your contribution.
- Kevin Murray
What about integrating home - all the appliance at home if we can control it from the net. .....security has too be very good.
- anamika
I'm curious as to how the CIO of Home Depot responded. Being a B&M hardware store, they aren't very big on Tech (ask me about using and deploying Office 97 in 2004 *shudder*). When I was there, there was lots of energy going in to SAP and other ERP related products/projects but not much energy going into making sure employees could use those tools. I digress...so how did it go?
- EricaJoy
EricaJoy: I don't remember a specific response from him. There was some of the usual pushback about why I would share so much of my life online. Other than that I was impressed that they were very literate on the topics and services I showed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't see sync and version control products on your mind map. I think they are getting important for information management.
- Arvind
any chance you'd post final draft - maybe in original form (not pdf/jpg?) also - camtasia recording of presentation could be fun
- Courtney Engle
Don't see SlideShare it'd be handy under Collaboration and if not on this presentation perhaps on one with a focus on the next stage or under implementation strategies.
- James Stratford
open web identity: add Firefox (with 200+ downloads...); Jammer is spelled Yammer; add AWS at cloud services; I would definitely move Ning to 'community' (it is also realtime; but first of all it is the most important community building platform; very popular in the Netherlands); Google Apps for collaboration
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert, if you have time to answer quickly, are you using the Mac or Windows version or both?
- Gregg Morris
Gregg Windows version
- Robert Scoble
i am late for this but, i wud also add twine and streamy..not sure where though. i thought i saw analytics up there...definitely a must. also really confused as to how evernote helps brands connect with consumers.
- Freddie Benjamin
Was this speech recorded? Would be good to see it if possible.
- Chet Thaker
Chet: nope, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
No worries Robert. Will have to try and catch one of speeches live. You're coming to the UK in July I notice from your Dopplr.
- Chet Thaker
just saw you have the apps room in there, did you get a few words in about it?
- Zee.
Zee: we talked about friendfeed but I don't think we spoke specifically about that room.
- Robert Scoble
You left out Search, Commerce, Mobile - no? All of these are critical business drivers, platforms, customer channels. All are shifting, seismically under their enterprise feet.
- Thom Kennon
Wolfram|Alpha
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Armadillo - http://naurunappula.com/z...
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the OG of transformers.
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It's a martial art known as ballitsu.
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looks like an effed up popples
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Armadillo, I choose you!
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In Texas, in reality, they look much different. They look like roadkill. Hmmm.
- Josh Haley
Something about this is curiously mesmerizing - and how dare anyone compare that wtih Semus!
- Mona Nomura
That Transformer looks pretty real.
- Pete Barry
I just figured out how to create tons of jobs. Realtime Web Advertising. Contextual ads generated by loads of jobless people. The problem is that they would all be marketed towards @louisgray and @scobleizer . Damn! Another failed idea.
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So the ads would be generated by unemployees? Do tell.
- Louis Gray
Just imagine anyone monitoring any real time information and responding to it with relevant information. Wait, I think that's called conversation. I think I better write a blog post about this. I'll be back.
- Pete Barry
Waits. Hey. I thought this was real time? :)
- Louis Gray
I'm sorry to have taken so long to get around to writing a post but here it is. http://experiencegreatideas.com/2009...
- Pete Barry
Welcome to the 'weisure' lifestyle - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
Wow! I'm a total Weisure.
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a cool alternative to Air
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Some great looking pieces.
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A solid list.
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No, It's Not Mime Disease, It's Brand Interaction. - Adrants - http://www.adrants.com/2009...
Brilliant!
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Cool.
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Re: Defining User Experience - http://www.zeusjones.com/blog...
"Great post! It's refreshing to see a reexamination of the definition of UX instead of just discussing its place in the process of software design. I might add that the experiences we design should not only work within the context of the user's life but, in the context of the moment. UX was easier to define ten years ago when we created brochure-ware for the Interwebs. Now we have to deal in moments and know that users may experience our creations on a phone while dancing in a night club or on a coffee table in a bar. The experiences have changed but so have the moments."
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Microsoft Shows Off The Power Of Facebook’s New APIs - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Microsoft is really doing some great stuff these days.
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This is a great post. I'd like to see more companies taking up this model. Some really great examples in this post and in the comments too.
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