Fascinating article about what it is that makes one a good programmer, from Eric Raymond.
I've often wondered on the topic myself, as I find there are things in programming that come easily to me that other programmers seem to have trouble grasping. I don't think this is the whole picture, but I look forward to ESR continuing the discussion. - Peter Kahle
Qigong und Tai Chi Chuan am KiDojo, Heidelberg. Regelmaessige Kurse für Privatpersonen. Kursangebote für Unternehmen. Wir ueben mit Ihnen die Kunst des bewussten Loslassens. - Peter Kahle
Well, the Repubs I met are ready for a new administration. The old one just is totally calcified and is hard to get anything done. The Dems? Are salivating. Listen to @timryan's interview yesterday that I did with him. - Robert Scoble
@scobleizer I'm in that cat., too. libertarian/conservative disgusted with the lefts, rights and middles. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: you should listen to my interview with Culberson yesterday. At one point I looked him in the eye and asked him "is there really room in the Republican party for someone like you anymore?" (He has voted no against a ton of Bush proposals and says he's a Jeffersonian Republican). He really was a thrilling guy for me to meet. If all Republicans were like him and they kicked out the religious folks I'd switch back to being a Republican in a heartbeat. - Robert Scoble
Jim: No. He was simply too weird and wanted to push too much change too quickly. His ideas might have been based on sound principles, but guys like him just turn me off and scare me. Too much social change too quickly is actually a horribly nasty thing. - Robert Scoble
@Robert: I'll definitely check it out. @Jim: I've met Ron Paul several times, and I like him as a person and a congressman. As a presidential candidate, he blows. He really either doesn't seem to understand how to win a primary and switch it up for the general, or doesn't care. If he was serious about winning the nomination, he could have (he's that smart). He just self-destructed, and it pisses me off to no end. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robert: Those "religious" folk you want to see removed? They (We) are the heart and soul of the GOP. The very moral compass that makes up the movement. Kick out the religious folks? Do You understand that America is a nation founded on religious freedom, and a Christian country at that? You're pining to see a swatch torn from the very fabric of America. You haven't a clue what you are saying. - Art Lindsey III
Art: I know this is very deep in our fabric. I was a conservative evangelical Christian for more than a decade. But that's probably why I am so turned off on seeing that side of our world running things. Keep your religion where it belongs: in your church. Our founding fathers knew the corrosive effects of when religion mixes into our public policy. Note your words: "religious freedom." So, when a single party wants to cram their religious beliefs down my throat, you should expect some pushback! - Robert Scoble
Art is right. In terms of the Republican party, they make up the largest base constituency. Without them, there wouldn't be much of a party - or at least not enough to get elected. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Art Lindsey III - "a nation founded on religious freedom, and a Christian country at that" That sounds a bit strange. Religious freedom, but only for Christians? - sebmos
Sometimes I wonder whether people even understand what the word "freedom" really means. It means I'm free to do what I want. Including pick a religion (or no religion at all) that is different from yours. Yet many religious folks want to push their beliefs on me. That translates into horrible legislation against stem cell research, for instance. My wife moved here from Iran for a reason: religious persecution. So don't lecture me on freedom. I'm very clear on the concept. - Robert Scoble
Mark: yeah, I understand that Republicans rely on the religion machine that exists in this country. I saw it up front and center (I used to run a TV camera at our church and we'd have lots of political types come through to talk with our congregation). It's just a real corrosive thing that I'll fight the rest of my life. Republicans have turned off a lot of voters who used to support them because of their fiscally conservative approach. Reagan proved there's a lot of voters like that out there. - Robert Scoble
oh man robert I'm so glad that didn't come up w/ Coburn today :-) - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: I wasn't there to push my own personal anti-religion agenda. There's a proper place for everything. I was there to represent the tech industry and see if we could get an interesting conversation started that would get other bloggers in the door. If I got into an argument with a Congressman about his beliefs I sure wouldn't have served those interests well. But here on FriendFeed? You betcha! - Robert Scoble
Religion and Politics, that was in the middle age...Wake Up America..plz! - Ben Borges
Well, if you understand your wife, (which I get, and I admire her for escaping) how come you're so off-put by christians? Has one chopped off a relative's head lately or fed one of your children to to you? It seems like you're trying to make a comparison to me between strict Islam and christianity. More than that though, it seems to be that your idea of "religious freedom" is the complete absence of any religion at all. - Art Lindsey III
@Robert: Unfortunately, the years since Reagan have destroyed the ability for that coalition to exist without serious PR work being done (though now is as good a time as any to get started). Ken Starr, President Clinton, Karl Rove, President GW Bush (not to mention all their political foils) have only served to galvanize the parties. It's going to be hard to convince anyone in party leadership now's the time to appeal to different bases. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I'm off put by any religious types who get power and try to use their religion against my choices. I'm no longer a Christian. Yet many of the policies that you and your friends push on Congress force me to follow your policies. From the money we print "In God we Trust." Um, no, no, I don't. That's not "freedom" to choose. It's forced religion. I'm tired of it and will vote against it. - Robert Scoble
Mark: you're probably right. It'll be interesting to see what a new President will bring. McCain used to resist the religious right, but now is back in line because he realizes that that's the only way he'll get elected. Even so, I have to believe that if he gets in he'll pop back to his old self and keep things much more sane than they have been. See @tomryan's interview yesterday to hear some of the frustrations that people have with the Bush leadership. - Robert Scoble
How did I twist that? It's exactly your words, and it's a problem of the religious right everywhere (not only in the US). Religious freedom - yay, but only as long as you're Christian. And don't dare being Atheist or worse, Muslim. - sebmos
sebmos: exactly. But don't blame Art. When I was a church goer I totally bought into this system and thought the same way. Religion is such a strong business and belief system that they don't even see that they are taking away other people's religious freedoms by legislating their belief system in. In fact, they actually feel better if they get their way because they think that a "Godly" nation must do certain things in a certain way. - Robert Scoble
@Robert: "In God we trust" is not forced religion, Robert. The important thing to remember is that God is NOT religion. God is *FAITH*. You need to understand the differences between the two. - Art Lindsey III
@sebmos: You're twisting Art's words describing our country's historical roots to mean that he's restricting freedom of religious choice. There isn't any subtext to what he's saying. Re-read his comment literally and tell me you come away with the same conclusion. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Art: um, so, now you point out that I don't have "freedom of Faith." Got it. I think that's a pretty nuanced point. For most people religion and faith are intertwined. Certainly they are for all the religious types I used to hang out with. - Robert Scoble
@Robert: agnostic and atheist philosophers and scientists like to talk about how ethics and morals are far removed from religion in their origins, but recorded human history isn't that old that you can't trace back modern legal precedent to it's Judeo-Christian origins. In that, we are a Christian nation - that was the basis of the theories of our foundation. Were those theories perfect? No, but they are there. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@sebmos: No. thats not what I said. What I was driving at was that Robert has intimated he has a problem with Christians and that the Republican Party would be better without them, and he would go back if they went away. He doesn't care where they go as long as they are gone from his presence. That is persecution. Furthermore, I mentioned the fact that America being founded by christians to illustrate the fact that this country and its laws are based on judeo-christian values. it is a fact - Art Lindsey III
@sebmos: it had nothing to do with preference of one faith over another. - Art Lindsey III
Mark: I'm tired of being defined by history. We don't practice slavery anymore, even though many of our Founding Fathers used to believe in that, too. At some point we've gotta break with the past and realize there's a better way to live our lives. - Robert Scoble
And just generally, I'd like to also state that Christians (nor any religion found in America) aren't hive-minded. Much of the time, the beltway (when they work to appease the "moral majority") ascribe to us beliefs that they think we'll like, and we get branded with that ideal. You can't blame religion for political pandering. I prefer to blame the panderers. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
>>the Republican Party would be better without them, and he would go back if they went away. ANSWER: No, you misrepresent my position. I don't care what you do in your church or what political party you're a part of. As long as you keep your religion in your church and away from our laws and public discourse. I believe in a strong separation of church and state and will vote against anyone who tries to bring their church into politics. I'll probably lose, cause many people like their religion and ... - Robert Scoble
I just finished Huffington's new book that addresses this directly. So you probably don't want me jumping into this convo right now and I shall go to sleep. Although Mark and I haven't mixed it up in awhile...lol - Erin Kotecki Vest
@Robert: I realize you have a strong position, and I'm not trying to convert you. As strongly as you believe that politicians should be heavily involved with the evo of tech and Web 2.0, you must realize that strongly <insert religious affiliation here> folks have that fervent passion x100. You can separate religion from politics only to a point. When it comes to having an ethical and legal system represent a population's morals, you have to have some crossover. Otherwise it ceases representing the public - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
...politics joined, but I've seen the corrosive effects that letting religious thought control our legal system has on everything. Our lack of investment in science is an awesome example of this. I'm probably more adverse to it than most people, because of where my wife came from and where my family came from (my mom grew up in Nazi Germany where her family wasn't free to worship who they wanted). - Robert Scoble
>>you must realize that strongly <insert religious affiliation here> folks have that fervent passion x100. ANSWER: Oh, I do realize that. In fact, this is why people who are in a minority position must even be stronger in speaking out against a majority position. Very few in our society believes the way that I do. But we MUST keep the majority from tyrannizing the rest. - Robert Scoble
>>Otherwise it ceases representing the public. ANSWER: Our founding fathers moved here to escape religious persecution (and a few other issues, but let's just stick on the religion here). They saw the corrosive effects that came about when a majority of people who believed one way were allowed to beat up the minority who believed a different way. Luckily our system isn't a strict democracy and was built to try to stick up for the little guy. This system is why California now has gay marriages. - Robert Scoble
At some point, Robert, we ought to have a call or discussion or video on this. I love having reasoned discussions on this topic, and you have some interesting perspectives, it sounds like. I'm fading fast, though, and I'm going to have to close my eyes for a few hours. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I think the change in the religious aspect of the GOP from Reagan to today is that it's changed from being a small government effort (let the social issues be decided at the state or local level) to a large government effort (let's legislate the social issues at the federal level). As best I can tell, it's a problem of being too successful, so expanding. And leaving the rest of us Republican/libertarian types behind. - Peter Kahle
@Robert: No, Robert. You are wrong again. Democracy was not built to stick up for the little guy. Democracy is so that all have opportunity, and in event of disputes, that those in the right may prevail. When asked if he would "stick up for the little guy" John Roberts said (Paraphrase) "It is not my job to stick up for the little guy. I am to interpret the constitution and decide who is right" (Roberts was overwhelmingly confirmed as Chief Justice of the United States.) - Art Lindsey III
Art: our system of government is NOT a democracy. It's a republic. And, anyway, our system has checks and balances which, in effect, does protect the little guy from being overrun by the masses. Mark: I'm fading too, it'd be fun to do, though. Peter: Right. - Robert Scoble
Mark: there are several problems with talking about these issues: 1. They polarize people. 2. Most people don't care. 3. Those who do care aren't there to listen, just try to get their points across. 4. Sponsors can have problems with political views (luckily Seagate is awesome there, but others might balk). So, I probably won't talk about them too much beyond this FriendFeed thread, which will soon disappear from most people's view. Anyway, I'm off to bed. - Robert Scoble
@Robert: Okay Robert, now you're just being a tool. I know this is a republic. You mentioned the word democracy, and I was using it in the same context you were, and now you're pulling this garbage because I've beaten you soundly at every turn. Your attempt to change context midstream is pathetic. And again, regardless of the word you choose, we were not built to coddle a certain social class. We were built so ALL have the right to work and achieve. Stop, for your own sake. You are embarrassing yourself. - Art Lindsey III
Art: I think you're misreading where Robert brought up democracy. He's saying it was set up as a republic, rather than a democracy so that it would 'stick up for the little guy.' Go re-read what he wrote. - Peter Kahle
Our government form is a Republic. Our government is a representational (or representative) democracy. It is not a direct democracy using referendums for each proposition put forward. But yes, it is a form of democracy. The constitution clearly defines it as such and the pledge of allegiance affirms our status as a republic. - Steve P
Interesting convo, but the thread about the religious freedom foundations of the US needs context. Only one colony, maybe two if you include Pennsylvania as a home for Quakers, was founded on a basis of religious "freedom"--Massachusetts, and that was only based on freedom FOR Puritans. Virginia, the Carolinas, etc. were founded to make money. The religious freedom of the US originated from the religious diversity (mostly Christian sects, but also including a fair number of Jews) of the society. - steplow is Steve
This is a very clever way to do this. I don't know how effective it will be, but it seems relatively fair. The only argument I can see against it is that new production won't be effective for a period of time. - Peter Kahle
No, it should not do SMS. Twitter is a chatter/notifier, so SMS makes sense. FF is an aggegator and is also too noisy to make built-in notifications useful. - Carter Rabasa
i agree with Carter. FF != Twitter. Carter is exaclty right IMO. - acedanger via twhirl
I guess that's all the more reason for a unified friend infrastructure. I want to be friends with the same people on twitter (where I get my IM fix) and FF. But right now, it's all over the place. And when someone joins FF, it'd be nice if I auto-friend them if I'm their friend on twitter (or jaiku, or pownce, etc.) - Peter Kahle
Solution: Twitter's API lets you retrieve your friends/followers. If FF's API allowed creation of imaginary friends programmatically, voila! Instant import, and without the hassle of making your friends sign-up! - Carter Rabasa
I love that Twitter is like the universal SMS api for webapps. If only it worked all the time :) - Alex Gawley
@Carter So, that leads to another question. What happens when an imaginary friend signs up to FF? I'll have to look at the two APIs when I get a chance, see if there's a way to sync the two, and what's missing. - Peter Kahle
@carter and @peter kahle that sounds a bit like how Socialthing imports everything from everyone using all your services. It's more of an aggregator, and is increasingly annoying. I like the filter of just following the people that I say I want to follow and no one else, regardless of if I'm friends with them elsewhere. Just because a person's my Pownce friend doesn't mean I want them to be my Twitter buddy! I use different services for different things (or personalities, lol). - jon
@jon Agreed, but it could be optional for those that want to. I think that's the secret sauce that FF is perfecting, the ability to give you only what you want (think of the granulatity of their hide feature) - Carter Rabasa
blocking someone not only on twitter, but on all other services - one should build something like a friendfeed for blocking people (unfriendfeed?) - sdfx
This may be an argument for the federated twitter-alike service that people have talked about lately. - Peter Kahle
I love how popular any activities of the scoble gets. He just need to type something & boom, there are many comments. - Nikpay
I wish I could too, Some people just dont get it - suavenyc72
It'd be interesting to have a meta service where you register your identity and the networks your on and maintained a friendlist there - it would automatically sync friends across all networks. Hook it up with OpenID, perhaps. - felix
Funny that, peopel who actually make money tend to not liek having it taken. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
Funny that so many people believe that Democrats take their money whereas Republicans give it back. Republican propaganda seems to work. (Hint: It depends on the candidate _and_ the economic situation, not the party.) - sebmos
but sebmos, it's a pretty safe rule of thumb, at least in elections to the federal level. I just wish "None of the Above" was on the ballot. - Peter Kahle
Peter - There is a none of the above, but that is giving up your right to vote. :P - Paula Hawk