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PREDICTION: The problem FriendFeed will have is when it will be very popular (mainstream if you want), there will be so much content that you won't be able to see eevrything. A page refresh and tons of content is published. We will for sure miss tons of good stuff.
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a page shows say, 30 entries, between two refreshes, say there's 2000 new entries by friends and friends of friends... you see what I mean?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
We need some way to lens ACROSS content, to view things based on value / ranking / medium, etc. Already there's more content in even my shallow feed than I can comfortably follow, and few of my friends even use FF.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
One word: BLOCK ;)
- Mona Nomura
I expect we'll see more than you realize. Likes and Comments keep stuff bouncing to the top until you get a chance to see it.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm liking and commenting just to bounce ya twice. ;)
- Internet's Tad
Best guess is that hyper growth is already being foreseen with numerous solutions. These guys are good!
- Charlie Anzman
only if you subscribe to everybody under the sun. I'm sure scoble aleady has that problem here and on twitter
- Brett Kelly
Block and Hide aren't nearly good enough for the things I want to do when updates hit several tens per second. I, really, want things like Boolean filters of near arbitrary complexity, feedback learning, and flexible presentation ranking, just to stay sane.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I'm telling you guys - Lindsay totally pegged it. FF is the site that just DEMANDS an Intelligent Agent to sift through the volcanic soil to expose the rough diamonds. If the FF devs have half a brain, they have a genius or two slaving away on that right now.
- Internet's Tad
I agree, lots of stuff falls through the cracks through out the day. I think the 'best of' was added for this reason. I haven't really used it that much though.
- Tsega Dinka
but all the good stuff is reshared... personally my eyes are trained to scan content quickly and efficiently. it weeds out what i'm interested in and not. if all else fails, there's always the "BLOCK" or "HIDE" options...
- Mona Nomura
Resharing is data-cluttering, as I see it. I want a system that unifies references to URLs, for one. It tells me where that reference is made from (Rooms, friends, likes, whatnot), but only gives me a single thing to look out for any given referent. The actual rest of info is just useful metadata for building lenses out of.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
You ask the wrong question with your prediction my multi-lingual friend -- the question is not whether we will see too much, but whether we will see enough? FriendFeed (with or without NoiseRiver) is an extremely good model for seeing "enough". NoiseRiver will allow the "noise lovers" to see even more :-)
- Robert Seidman
As more people join, simply being good at managing who you follow will be more important and should keep the noise down.
- Martin Bryant
Surely people like Robert Scoble are already at that level, he manages fine!
- Joe Dawson
:-)
- Mitchell Tsai
Joe's right. Bring it on!
- Robert Scoble
Especially if one uses small screens and apps like twhirl to view the feed...
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
We'll just need a CloseFriendFinder app to sit on top of FriendFinder
- Craig Thomler
I don't see the problem if there is the right method to represent the contnet, in a away that the fruition of it by the user would be easier...
- Edoardo Piccolotto
from twhirl
Yes. There is the potential for much more clutter here than twitter, for example. FF needs enhanced filtering tools.
- Ian Fogg
It's already happening for me. Need tags. Plus likes and comments only go so far. What if I like stuff only a few others like? How do I find that?
- Larry Huffman
if more of my friends were on FF I wouldn't be subscribed to so many people I don't know
- Samuel Bostock
the average user isn't going to be subscribed to that many people. and the mainstream will be much less "active" in terms of generating content than the hardcore early adopters. In short, I don't buy the argument.
- Jamie
The average user doesn't use the majority of features present on mobile phones. In Portugal owning a expensive phone is a status statement, but most of them could use the cheapest mobile in term of features used. With software and web services it's the same, people use just a subset of the features, and they have to be in front of them. Power users and all it's likes and dislikes are useful to test the limits of a application, but besides that are not the voice of God.
- Mário Pires
This is where the top posts of the day/week/month will come into play. I sure that someone will comment or like a post before it flits away. It does bear consideration though, put some brakes on the speed of posting perhaps?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Maybe a combo of FriendFeed and Digg? people could set to only receive posts with X number of likes/comments...or based on the rep of the person posting...
- Craig Thomler
If i could create "groups" of people by subjects relevant to me perhaps it would be more manageable.
- Mário Pires
so there will be meta services (think summize). Cool. no problemo.
- john conroy
Just look at the Everyone feed. Only imagine articles with 1,000 likes (ala Digg) and 500 comments (ala slashdot). Some people may want the raw feeds, we'll need new filters/views/trails/signposts/guides/topics etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mario Agree. GM script for Friends / Groups http://ffapps.com/filters/
- Hao Chen
I think we'll just end up hiding a lot more stuff
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I have the feeling that the FF staff will roll with the punches. Scalability!
- Steve Isaacs
@Robert Scoble: you WON'T be able to manage that noise. It's simply a mathematical fact. Say, you see 30 post, and between two refreshes, 20.000 entries are posted. The next page will show the last 30 of these 20.000 new entries. You will miss the entries in between. Liking or commenting from FOAF won't help. Because the flow will run... fast.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Prescient in Twitter's case. For awhile it was so for FF too. I don't know about now however; things are slower.
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
Phew! Who bumped this??! :)
- directeur
That would be me sir.
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
Hi, mohomed! That's so old, how did you find it? :)
- directeur
I was looking for a post with an mp3 attached to it from awhile ago that I needed, but couldn't find it. It's some soft of new jazz from Turkey. A bald guy with blue was attached as an image holding some sort of instrument. But I stumbled across a bunch of good other old posts.
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
Could it be Mercan Dede?
- directeur
You continue to amaze me monsieur http://friendfeed.com/directe... Thanks so much!
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
Thank you! Tout le plaisir est pour moi, Dhanaan! :)
- directeur
Life keeps getting weird: tomorrow night we're meeting with Obama's CTO. What should we ask him?
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Chief Technology Officer of the United States, Aneesh Chopra
- Robert Scoble
Standardization.
- W. Kirk Crawford
do you use friendfeed yet?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Does he have a job for me? ;) No, I'll think of something more appropriate in a few
- Melanie Reed
He's supposed to be on Buzz Out Loud too.
- Kevin Arth
Will we have a broadband (or whatever) plan for rural areas something akin to Rural Electrification? Have fun!
- Ayşe E.
"Will we have a broadband (or whatever) plan for rural areas something akin to Rural Electrification? Have fun!" - Ayşe E. Spot on!! Yes, ask this one, Robert! Thanks, Ayşe E!
- Melanie Reed
Ask whether the new IT project dashboard will have a material impact reducing project failures and cost overruns. Transparency alone won't do it, since the GAO has been cataloging failures for years.
- Michael Krigsman
Is he making sure that obama can tweet from airforce one :)
- Ruchit Garg
Rural broadband is a good one.
- Luke Kilpatrick
+1 for rural broadand.
- ashish
what are some of his plans in regarding IT within the healtcare system, patient records, devices, communication tools, etc
- Shai Goldman
@Melanie :)
- Ayşe E.
Melanie: I wonder when AT&T will have 3G in Silicon Valley that works.
- Robert Scoble
More APIs for getting at government data. When and can we vote on which?
- Aaron Brethorst
Robert: shouldn't that be a question to AT&T's CTO?
- Luke Kilpatrick
Ach! Robert, If ye be gettin' the missing talent out of the rurals, ye might get the inventor stuck out here who will make it work for ye. Scots are great engineers of a tradition....and they need the country life as inspiration. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Standardize "open" for docs..e.g.USDA FNS reserves right to materials I produce but then collects them as PDF files. Useless to others.
- MI Nutrition Network
Where's all the NOW interaction we heard about? Am I missing something?
- Tom Guarriello
Ask him how he will stop IT employees moving to other industries (like they do every downturn) and decreasing the talent pool available when the economy recovers
- Robert Littlejohn
Why does he not have the White House on Politics4All.com? With 40 different political parties in over 30 different countries represented it would be a great place to keep in touch with the politically minded.
- Thomas Cook
There is no such thing as the CTO of the United States. And all you people asking about trains-run-on-time totalitarian goodies and MITI-style industrial policy should be ashamed of yourselves.
- Rob Sterling
Rural Broadband +1 ... Have heard the VA hospital system has one of the best IT, electronic records systems in the country, if true, why reinvent the wheel, just standardize/update?
- PXLated
Of course, I have no idea what the CTO of the USA is really in charge of :-)
- PXLated
Suggest he should host a virtual and/or regional Federal Gov't Bar Camp and/or Unconference on Social Media with practitioners (as opposed to consultants who are learning SM on the Gov't's dime) who are already attempting to break open the SM space inside Executive Branch. With broad participation from Senior Executive Service, GS-10s through GS-15s along with contractors like me. SM...
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- Dutch Driver
What's the admin's stance on net neutrality? - Eileen Spiegler
- Eileen Spiegler
When is the government going to offer a cloud computing platform?
- Tal Broda
Ask him why most govt. employees are forced to use IE, only recently upgraded to IE6, and are not allowed to download anything.
- Laura Norvig
What are his top three agenda items and what makes these things important and difficult?
- Michael Krigsman
Robert - I'd ask about what they are doing to better deal with "21st century government", which requires running websites just as well as Facebook or LinkedIn can. The Cash4Clunkers website crashed, which effectively means a $1B business wasn't put through even basic load testing. More thoughts on my blog: http://blog.browsermob.com/2009...
- Patrick Lightbody
Yeah, like Dutch Driver said!
- Tom Guarriello
Luke: of course that question is for AT&T's CTO. He has no clue, though (I asked him before the 3G came out and he thought their system was ready. So, I figure I'd just throw that out there. Heheh. Laura: great question. Governments move so freaking slow.
- Robert Scoble
Please ask if his administration will push for open Internet. Beg them to bring the web to Americans less fortunate than us anyways they can think of.
- Kemp Edmonds
from iPhone
Agreed,Laura: good question.
- Melanie Reed
Tal, I think they are on their way to doing that. Article just a day ago
- Melanie Reed
My Question: what steps will you take to minimize redundancies, streamline efficiencies and avoid conflicts between you as the White House CTO and the CTOs working in/across various government agencies?
- Christian
what is being done (budget, projects, staff) to get gov't data on the web and searchable/mashable? if additional legislation is needed for this, what needs to happen there? if no leg, just presidential directives what is needed to get that done? if projects are in the works now, name them, get progress reports, and timelines. if this stuff is stalled somewhere in the congress who do we badger to get things going?
- MikeAmundsen
My question, seriously: What ever happened to bills being online 72 hours before a vote for the public to read? They are ramming so many bills through so fast, and they have completely forgotten that promise. I want to know what became of a new era of government transparency.
- Sam Guzman
I'd tell him that if he's not capturing this stream he's a real moron.
- Tom Guarriello
Tom: the reason I asked people to do this on FriendFeed is so I could easily email it to him, and/or show it to him on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
Thank you, Robert!!
- Melanie Reed
Then you won't need ask what I said ;o) they will be like.. can you sort that out for us! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@scobleizer - It would be cool to show this to him... good stuff.
- Robert Freeze
Second Question: According to your job description, the Chief Technology Officer will oversee the development of a national, interoperable wireless network for local, state and federal first responders as the 9/11 commission recommended. What are the steps you need to take to realize this critical directive, and how soon do you foresee this being implemented?
- Christian
There is a part of me that would want to ask him how difficult it is to be the CTO and promote technology when government workers can't even use firefox
- Kim Landwehr
What is his charter, what can he do, what is he working on, what has he achieved so far?
- Alan Gray
I second asking questions about standardization and increased internet access (including plans to expand broadband and muni-WiFi).
- Katie Bishop
Robert: I was being facetious! The responses are so rich. Of course YOU would be capturing it; you asked the question, after all.
- Tom Guarriello
Ask him when he is going to do his second tweet. He did his first one over 100 days ago. (https://twitter.com/aneeshc...) I'm going to the Churchill Club event tomorrow to hear him. I hope he has something interesting to say. Some people are saying that he may have been hired for his presentation skills more than anything else.
- Michael Leonard
For god sakes, do not ask him about his birth certificate!
- Lucas
Have we moved past Lichtenstein or whatever tiny country that we were behind in terms of broadband internet access yet? And how are we getting there?
- mrpotter
Ask him why he's not a czar...yet.
- Ed Sweeney
Thanks for asking for questions Robert! Rural Broadband has been asked about, but I'd like to see if there's any way to lean some of that access onto some of the rural community radio stations that spread the word to folks with dial-up access and none at all.
- John Button
I say, ask him about what is being done to allow government entities to share data amongst them in a clear and accurate way. Is the US worried about digital terrorism? If so, what are we currently doing to protect our most valuable assets? If I think of more I'll post them later.
- guribe
1) Why is the website redesign of Recovery.gov costing the tax payers $18 million?
- Shaun Hess
Shaun, probably the old 'the bigger the client, the bigger the bill'.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
I second Shaun's question... thou would state it as $9million up front, with up to $18 million total after options (which everyone knows they are going to do...)
- Philip Evans
When and how are medical records going to be digitally available in all instances and is this part of the health care initiative with any specific plans for implementation?
- Tom Bunzel
Will there be an open standard for Medical records/EHR, similar to clinical trials data like CFR Part 11?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Ask him why it takes $18 million to create one website. I'll do it for a tenth of that. http://bit.ly/rFJ9o
- Mike Shields
Ask him how far he's willing to go to move the government to digitize its myriad array of forms and move away from printouts for everything. Ask him what he's going to do to standardize the technology options between agencies. Ask him how "buckets of money" methodology is affecting the employees they serve. Ask him if he's willing to offer exit packages to those whose technological...
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- EricaJoy
Supreme Court reviewing Oregon and Louisiana policies to not require unanimous verdicts - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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"Oregon is one of only two states that does not require juries to reach unanimous verdicts in criminal cases. Like Louisiana, it allows convictions by a vote of 10-to-2. In a pair of decisions in 1972, the Supreme Court said that was all right, that the Constitution does not require states to insist on unanimity. But the decisions, one each from Oregon and Louisiana, were badly fractured and internally inconsistent. They discounted the historical record and made assumptions about jury behavior that have been called into question by more recent research."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Poor headline. The Court hasn't decided to review this case. Until and unless it does this is just another guy with hope and prominent amici. I hope they do grant cert though - would be neat discussion.
- Daniel Dulitz
from iPhone
@Daniel - I'm definitely hoping they agree to review these cases. This is something that I'd like to see consistent in the justice system from state to state.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I live in Oregon and didn't even know that was how our system worked. You learn something new every day!
- Patrick Lightbody
Oregon has many strange features ;-)
- Brian Ahier
Ant mega-colony takes over world (and also my back yard and house) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth...
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"In Europe, one vast colony of Argentine ants is thought to stretch for 6,000km (3,700 miles) along the Mediterranean coast, while another in the US, known as the 'Californian large', extends over 900km (560 miles) along the coast of California. A third huge colony exists on the west coast of Japan. While ants are usually highly territorial, those living within each super-colony are tolerant of one another, even if they live tens or hundreds of kilometres apart. Each super-colony, however, was thought to be quite distinct. But it now appears that billions of Argentine ants around the world all actually belong to one single global mega-colony."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Time to refine the definition of 'colony'.
- Kevin Fox
Ants have certainly infested my house. They bite too! I wake up every morning with a bite.
- Ana
Now how can I get myself in charge of that colony... I could rule the world... egggzzzelllentttt
- Thomas Mader
I have them everywhere. They even invade the house and I don't even know what they're going after most of the time. Yesterday they were all over the living room floor. Going for that cereal bit under the sofa? No, they were swarming a piece of junk mail. Sometimes, they just come out via the hot water knob of the tub and just mill about.
- Anika
Scary. I'm glad to be in Canada where the cold weather keeps things like this at bay, for the time being.
- Mitch
@kfury it's a colony all right. Just wait till their galleons come for the loot :) on another topic, I just read that there are, in fact, only about four dandelions in the whole USA - genetically. It's just that every one of them covers multiple states, being represented by millions of separate plants.
- Michael Bravo
hate ants. hate hate hate.
- Jeremy Toeman
Me too! In small, medium, large and extra large. They laugh at the ant traps. They gobble down the poison like it's hot fudge sauce. They crawl across my bed. I am in despair . . .
- Amy℠
I hate mosquito's, but that's probably because I didn't meet an Argentinian ant yet.
- Ton Zijp
Web Dev Out.... a nice Web documentation site that I don't remember seeing before! http://www.webdevout.net/
Patrick Lightbody liked this
Insightful comments from Gerry Langeler at OVP regarding Oregon and VC http://siliconflorist.com/2009... + http://siliconflorist.com/2009...
Patrick Lightbody and Brian Hendrickson liked this
Follow the activity around the Google I/O conference on twitter through Twazzup! http://googleio.twazzup.com/ #io2009
Robert Scoble and Patrick Lightbody liked this
The beauty of Google was that it always gave you a decent result. WolframAlpha is niche and rarely gives you a result, so destined for niche
Patrick Lightbody liked this
RT @anotorias OMG this is what happens when scientists in Australia have too much free time: http://www.newyorker.com/humor...
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One of the only French online successes in the US (original website www.viedemerde.fr). It's better than nothing :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Motorola to Offer Multiple Android Devices by Holidays | AndroidGuys - http://androidguys.com/?p=4834
Joel Webber, Didier Girard, Patrick Lightbody and 2 other people liked this
Not sure Motorola have the wherewithall to pull their mobile business around - we'll see!
- winckel
Acer is said to work on Android too: http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tm...
- Jérôme Flipo
Haut Tec » SaaS: More FUD on Multitenancy - http://blog.sciodev.com/2009...
Patrick Lightbody liked this
Nice find John - really good, well thought out writeup!
- Patrick Lightbody
A dollar bill taped to the floor of friendfeed's offices: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Monique, Pat Hawks, Erik S and 152 other people liked this
This is a dollar bill taped to the floor of FriendFeed's headquarters. It's a bit of social engineering. They figured out it kept people from tripping on the cord cover because people noticed the money on the floor.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, now that is brilliant stuff. Awesome.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
This is a fantastic idea.
- Jeremy Botter
Wouldn't last long in my office.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Amazing.. think I could use this idea in a few places.
- Roberto Bonini
Clever! i love it.
- Kurai (ff)
from twhirl
Simple, clever, great idea. That FriendFeed crew is a bunch of smart fellers!
- Brandon Wood
My employer is too frugal to do that.
- Jonathon
Inexpensive risk management.
- Dave Pelland
Ha! Very clever.
- Brent Newhall
brilliant
- mjc
Wow! I'm speechless.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
nice
- Mike Collett
The dollar bill trick doesn’t work with strippers though ;)
- Moved to Facebook
@Earl: Consider it a stripper-filter, then. You know someone's a stripper if they trip over it.
- April Buchheit
for some reason i expect a "stripper filter" to be something coded using regular expressions. sad, i know.
- Karim
The message here is that Web 2.0 companies are so ignorant of money and revenue that they even step over a dollar on the floor
- Jason Carreira
from twhirl
Genius!!!
- Joe Dawson
Interesting. The photo has been viewed more than 500 times, but has only earned 62 likes and 19 comments. So, for every 1 thing we can see here there's another 9 people hanging out lurking in the shadows.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble the old 90-9-1 rule :) (well almost)
- Naor Mark
You could always just superglue some road kill to those things. Nothing gets people's attention more than a dead opossum.
- Andrew Leyden
wow, that's funny smart!
- Susan Beebe
I stubbed my toe on that dollar.
- Michael Muller
Heath And Safety in the UK would not approve....but I do!
- Toby Graham
"but has only earned 62 likes". This currently stands as the most-liked Flickr photo of all time.
- Vezquex: God of FF
I forgot about that photo. It does work, though. Everytime I visit friendfeed's offices I see the dollar and I'm careful not to trip over it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's dumb. Why couldn't they afford to run the cord somewhere where it wouldn't be in the way in the first place?
- Robert Peña
As an IE I can state that's definitely not something to publicize. Definitely not OSHA Kosher.
- Adi
Great idea will have to remember this.
- Laura Gonzalez
Reminds me of the deli counter in grocery store in Scotts Valley across the street from NorCal offices of MetaCreations (the Fractal Design arm of it). Local companies'd go there for lunch daily. PROBLEM: Deli counter pencils (for marking your sandwich menu) disappeared at frightful rate. SOLUTION: Deli affixed pencils with price label. Price: $100.00. Pencils stayed at store. :)
- Susan A. Kitchens
Haha I like that trick for keeping Pens from going missing Susan!
- Garin Kilpatrick
TAXPAYERS: YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!!!
Brian, Allen Harkleroad, clarke thomas and 19 other people liked this
whoa, nice!
- j1m
WE'RE ALL RUNNING OUT OF TIME
- Rochelle
What are taxes?
- Mike Nayyar
Get to the CHOPPA!
- Alfredo
It's a state just south of Oklahoma.
- Steven Perez
WHO DID YOU WORK FOR BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF JANUARY AND DECEMBER 2008?!?!??
- Josh Haley
Good thing I don't pay them
- sofarsoShawn
Well, looks like it is time for me to kill Jack Bauer.
- Joe Pierce
he wears his watch like a girl
- Alfredo
Jack is ready and willing to fall on his sword for the sake of his country. Just like very taxpayer in this new administration.
- Josh Haley
"Chloe I need the coordinates to an Alfredo in Houston, Texas NOW! We're running out of time! The missiles will be launching any minute!"
- Josh Haley
OMGWTFMISSLESLAUNCHGETTOTHECHOPPA!!
- Alfredo
"this TurboTax file has been encrypted with a 2,000-bit AES Blowfish cipher with ROT13 MIME encoding. I'm going to need at least five minutes to crack it."
- Karim
++Karim
- Josh Haley
2,000-bit? good gods... (whilst laughing my ass off at ROT13)
- Michael W. May
@Karim nice
- Alfredo
I was attacked by Ninja Hobos on my way to drop my taxes in the mail. Luckily the regular Hobos distracted the Ninja Hobos in a turf squabble and I was able to get to the choppa...aka the 145 bus down to HQ, aka work.
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
tick...tock...
- Josh Haley
Tony NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Don't!!!!!
- AJ Batac
THE FOLLOWING TAKES PLACE BETWEEN 11 PM AND 12 AM.
- Karim
The easiest way to search the people you follow on Twitter is to roll them up on Friendfeed.
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Wouldn't you have to manually add all your Twitterfolk?
- Dan Byler
@Mohomed Thanks, that's helpful for those who are on FF. Still, most of the people I follow on Twitter aren't on FF. It would be nice if FF would automatically create "Imaginary Friends" for all your Twitter follows. When they join FF, it would just convert to a "real" friend
- Dan Byler
+1 to Dan's request about FriendFeed auto-creating imaginary friends from Twitter for those not on FF yet.
- Patrick Lightbody
+2 to Dan's request
- Pinksy
Steve, I agree, am doing this for some months now; this makes it possible to keep the number of people I really want to follow reasonable, and makes it possible to follow them using the standard browser (instead of TweetDeck or similar tools). The 'high volume' twitter users I want to follow just now and then are rolled up in FriendFeed.
- Jeroen De Miranda
+43 on Dan's request, I have been searching for this for a long time
- Robert
Is there a way to turn off the Twitter posts with @ replies to people I don't follow as there in within Twitter?
- Gregg Scott
The whole #amazonfail brouhaha actually is an example of why I push back on the whole Gillmor "supreme importance of realtime data flow" thing. I think giving people time to think before reacting isn't a bad thing. Less real time, more quality time.
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Dead on, Dave. I don't have any problem with people expressing their opinion, but I agree that realtime isn't the best way to make actual meaningful decisions about issues. You need validation of what's happening, background info, etc. Otherwise, it's just herd mentality.
- Ken Kennedy
typical contrary evil genius. only problem: it's not one or the other.
- Steve Gillmor
Just like in combat, reaction time in every domain has been reduced by a factor of ten. I hope Amazon does an "after action review" to learn from this one. That's the key.
- Tom Guarriello
Steve, do you think there is some Schrodinger's cat situation at play? Either #amazonfail warriors reacted without thinking or they didn't. Both simultaneously is not an option.
- Dave Slusher
validation, debate, investigation are all part of the real time flow -- part of creating quality.
- Cliff Gerrish
Hey Dave, did you delete one of your threads?
- Alex Scoble
Interesting strategery, laying theoretical upsides against empirically observed downsides.
- Dave Slusher
Alex, no. Not sure what you are talking about.
- Dave Slusher
hey this telephone we're talking on is squeezing my brain. click.
- Steve Gillmor
Ahh, I figured it out. Just a brief moment of dementia. I commented on this similar thread http://beta.friendfeed.com/willia4... and for some reason thought it was created by you, heh. Oops.
- Alex Scoble
Put another way, some of you are saying "real time can give more time for analysis to happen and people to react better." I'm saying, "Yes but it didn't."
- Dave Slusher
Yeah, I'd disagree with anyone saying that real time gives more time for analysis. Ask any cop in a dangerous situation about what real time does for their ability to analyze and make good decisions.
- Alex Scoble
One of the ways I used to deal with flame wars (this is BBS/GEnie era) is to put myself on mandatory 1 hour minimum delay. If the conversation made me so mad my hands shook, that value climbed to 12 hours. Every unsatisfactory interaction I've had on FF in the last 6 months involved a short cycle pile on that I wished I could enforce a delay on.
- Dave Slusher
It's in no way a failure of realtime, it's the failure of disconnected retweets instead of threaded conversations. If it had blown up with the use of likes and dialogue instead of misinformation in tweets and blog posts we could have gotten to the bottom of it sooner.
- Christian Burns
I don't understand why you're blaming real time. I have intentionally not commented on the Amazon issues until I understand them better. That's a choice, not driven by real time or delayed time. Controlling one's reactions to real-time data is not the responsibility of real-time data. It's an individual one.
- Karoli
When the ethic is for everyone to get the drop on each other, this sort of thing happens. We hate it in the 24 hour cable channels, why do y'all love it in Twitter?
- Dave Slusher
Karoli, I'm blaming the culture of twitchy hyper-responsivity. If that isn't what real time is trying to enable, what good is it?
- Dave Slusher
If slow food is generally healthier food and a healthier lifestyle, why is the analog for information so controversial to y'all?
- Dave Slusher
dave why are you responding to this in real time? seems contradictory and not a little ironic at best
- Steve Gillmor
Sometimes real time is useful. At the very least, it sparks an investigation. There's a difference between an investigation and jumping to a conclusion.
- Francine Hardaway
So let me refine some. ~50 AD, Apostle Paul: "The love of money is the root of all evil." Note, not money but the love of it. 2009 AD, Apostate Dave: "The love of realtime and retweeting as quickly as possible is the root of fiasco."
- Dave Slusher
you're blaming the messenger, or in this case the tools, for what some of us like nd appreciate. I don't mind you spamming me with this thread, why do you?
- Steve Gillmor
by the way dave, I assume you're not using the realtime view but preferring to pause it and refresh at your leisure.
- Steve Gillmor
Sheesh, Steve...can you maybe be a little less prickly over this? I think Dave's larger point is more than valid. He mentioned the "G"-word, though, and you appeared and started poking him. C'mon...you think you could relax and consider the actual issue rather than the fact that he dissented against the gospel? *rolls eyes*
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, I appreciate your having my back but please everyone, let's walk this back from the ad hominem. I love Steve, even when he thinks I'm not right in the head and vice versa.
- Dave Slusher
No worries! I like Steve and the Gillmor Gang as well. Feel the love.
- Ken Kennedy
My point is that the data toolset is currently outrunning human cognition and judgment. It's like giving the toddler a weed whacker. They might well edge the yard beautifully but that might not be how the smart money bets. Everyone in this thread might be responsible with the tools but demonstrably many are not.
- Dave Slusher
I'm not saying "turn off the tools", I'm saying "This may not be the infotopia we are being sold."
- Dave Slusher
I saw this in real time and "liked it."
- Robert Scoble
What was the brouhaha? URL please.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, are you being ironic about #amazonfail ? If you liked it 3 hours after I posted it, you are really pushing the definition of real time.
- Dave Slusher
Am I out of the loop or are you talking about http://community.livejournal.com/brutal_...
- Holger Eilhard
Dave: I agree 100% with "My point is that the data toolset is currently outrunning human cognition and judgment." but I don't think that's anything new, is it? That's been a problem since the "toolset" was just a guy standing up in front of a crowd turning them into a mob in real time.
- Ken Sheppardson
BTW, if this is to be another of these pile-on threads, let me just say now: Go register for CREATE South - http://www.createsouth.org/ April 25th, Myrtle Beach.
- Dave Slusher
People say stupid things in real time and negative real time. Rarely does less timeliness gate stupidity . You have co-mingled timeliness and insight. A first order category error.
- Jim Posner
Dave: I saw this on the real time feed. I don't get all things in real time. I do sleep once in a while, too. The engagement this item was getting in real time brought it into my view when I was working on the screen. Now that I'm engaging on it, I see everyone posting in real time. Jim just commented, for instance, while I was talking here.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: real time is not forcing me to think faster, just gives an opportunity for interaction WHILE something is on our mind. This is far better than the world of 2000 when it took hours for us to see each other's blogs.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you spanked me publicly for reblogging something Andrew Baron posted about you leaving PodTech a few years ago, where I didn't stop to consider something well enough and just ran with it. You calling me "full of shit" is still a high google hit on my name. This is me having learned the lesson you taught me.
- Dave Slusher
Dave: good point.
- Robert Scoble
Of course now everyone is searching Google for that, which will raise that result even higher as we all click on it. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Here's the Google search you talk of: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Of course I left PodTech four months later. So all things become true if you wait long enough, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
yes sir, that is it. Even without your name qualifying it, it's high on the list for me. That thing from Chuck Olsen was also the first Tweet I ever saw, which left me snakebit for a long time.
- Dave Slusher
The more interesting post of yours, though, is this one: http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpre...
- Robert Scoble
I am still trying to escape from PR people.
- Robert Scoble
Just tell them to send the tequila my way, Robert. ;)
- Alex Scoble
I can tell Dave isn't using the new beta of friendfeed yet. His replies are too slow. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Or he's off thinking.
- Ken Sheppardson
Or trying to find the "block" button again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
And I still haven't joined Facebook. In the time since I posted that, I have joined and dropped Twitter; joined and used FriendFeed and then dialed back that interaction. I think the sentiment of that post holds up better than most.
- Dave Slusher
... or I have a day job
- Dave Slusher
from IM
Real time threads are like a fire bell, it tells everyone there is a problem that needs to be taken care of, however it is is not the best time to do an investigation.
- Kim Landwehr
Dave: day jobs do retard social networking participation, I've found. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I thought we were all supposed to be making a living commenting on FriendFeed discussions by now. What's the deal?
- Ken Sheppardson
Are there perhaps some topics where we benefit from a real-time response - e.g. a plane crash and others that don't? How would condemning Amazon for alleged censorship benefit from being done 'urgently' as opposed to accurately? Aren't a lot of people joining in because they want to be where the attention is?
- Robin Barooah
I don't mind the real-time responses of their customers. It gives them true reaction-based feedback, and i'm sure that their marketing department is intersted in that. What i wouldn't want is for Amazon (or any other company) to make a similarly "real-time" decision on how to handle the problem. Their actions should be "less real time, more quality time" (via Dave Slusher)
- Matt Danger
+1 Matt
- Robin Barooah
Matt, I agree with you, but can you separate that out? Most of the customer criticism I've is in part or total taking Amazon to task for the slowness of their response.
- Dave Slusher
Dave: at Microsoft I had a tactic I used for things like this. I simply acknowledged that we saw the thread and needed time to get an official response out. That way you stop people from throwing metaphorical rocks through your front windows to get your attention and you give your internal team enough time to get a decent answer done.
- Robert Scoble
As a unrecovered packrat, I also recognize the general strategy justifying real time. It's the same one I use to justify the clutter that fills my house, the 1 time in 500 when it proves valuable. Mostly, it just makes my life harder.
- Dave Slusher
Robert, we've just crossed the point where I'd call the Amazon response slow (if there hasn't been one.) Now it seems reasonable to me, calling them on it at 8 PM EDT on Easter Sunday was just silly.
- Dave Slusher
Dave: Do you have the same issues with, say, the telephone vs. writing letters by hand?
- Ken Sheppardson
...and that's honestly not intended to be snarky.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, when there is a meltdown at work and my phone rings off the hook with executives wanting an update every 3 minutes, yes. I have to stop answering the phone and just email them if I am to fix the problem.
- Dave Slusher
But should we turn back the clock on the technology or just recognize that we need to change the way we use it?
- Ken Sheppardson
(see also "Luddites")
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, what makes you think my pushback isn't on the way we use it?
- Dave Slusher
Well, I can see this both ways. These companies now are huge global corporations that run 24/7. They are willing to take our money 24/7 so need to be supporting us 24/7 too. Zappos does that with 400 employees who are on Twitter. My Toyota died on a Sunday and it really pissed me off when I couldn't get support. On the other hand, you are right, we need to be more patient as a people and all this real time stuff isn't helping us do that.
- Robert Scoble
Weren't people angry about Amazon's slow response because they thought Amazon was guilty of something? i.e. they were holding Amazon guilty until proven innocent? In this regard I think it was important that Amazon did *not* snap to attention to get a response out in real-time - because that would be establishing a pattern of needing to respond to every misinformed mob.
- Robin Barooah
"I think giving people time to think..." Do you mean "giving" or "taking?" Or, "forcing?" Because here you all are chatting about the quality of the information, as if anyone at this point can really know. This real-time flurry is very efficient at sifting, sorting, and reacting to complex info. Think of yourself as a single cell in a great big investigation organism. Fast. Cool. No way could Amazon have harnessed this much power alone.
- Nancy Folsom
Dave: Sorry, I guess I'm getting this all confounded with the pushback I hear RE the changes in FriendFeed, etc., with people calling for things to be rolled back.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: you know - over time it might actually help us learn to be patient - I'm sure there are some people who added vitriol to the outrage who are now feeling embarrassed about reacting without verifying.
- Robin Barooah
I haven't been following the #amazonfail brouhaha but this write-up gives insights into the genesis of the whole affair. http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823...
- Jim Posner
Nancy - how about "requesting?" The seriousness of the accusation should correlate with the care taken to verify the claim.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
I am reminded of when cellphones started to become popular and people complained that they could now be reached at any time. Some people learned to switch off their phones when they didn't want to be reached - whilst many people still find them a source of stress.
- Robin Barooah
Dave- I don't disagree with you if your point is people should be careful about spreading rumors. But that's a fairly bland idea, right? Like don't kick puppies. Sure. I agree. But most of what I read were not accusations, but facts. What wasn't a fact was being shot down as fast as it was voiced. At least where I was. Are you asking for information to come out as a neat package?
- Nancy Folsom
Robin- I can still go days without answering my phone. Unplugging. It's teh awesome.
- Nancy Folsom
Ken- First, damn you all for such an interesting discussion! But, "real-time." It's not as obvious to me as it seems to be you all what you mean by "real-time." How much time should have passed? And, sadly, that's no guarantee the time will be used to come to any better judgment. IAC, I'm most struck by what this looks like if you pull out far enough you can't see the individual anymore.
- Nancy Folsom
Here's Ed Champion calling for an amazon boycott yesterday, full of presumption of guilt. http://www.edrants.com/amazonf... We are better than this. I'd argue this action is the dark underbelly of real time. Calling a business immoral and deciding this is a deliberate business practice requires proof IMO, same as if you were to say it about a neighbor.
- Dave Slusher
Epitome of our country on full display, sped up. Emotive decision making is quite embarrassing. Hopefully, these events will kick up our critical thinking skills.
- Mona Nomura
Gee, if only there were some way to counter the presumption of guilt in real time...
- Cliff Gerrish
The truth has always had trouble getting it's boots on and thanks to real time, it may happen faster.
- Jim Posner
Jim, you don't think the most salacious thing will travel farthest and fastest, like say is happening RIGHT THIS SECOND?
- Dave Slusher
Let me reiterate this one more time - I think the culture of real time is harmful, and I don't like the fast twitch desire to treat news inputs and outputs like a first person shooter. This is not about technology, this is about people being spastic. You can't point to isolated successes without factoring in the general wear and tear and blood pressure elevation across everyone involved in the twitchosphere. Taken in total, it's not worth it to me.
- Dave Slusher
In putting money where mouth is, I have a huge amount of CREATE South work to do tonight. No real time for me the rest of the night. Did I mention April 25th in Myrtle Beach, http://www.createsouth.org/ ? Come participate and tell me how wrong my views are. I'll even feed you free lunch.
- Dave Slusher
No matter what basic clock speed the system is running at, it's always going to take more cycles to read and comprehend the entirety of an event or what somebody else has to say, do due diligence, think, and formulate a logical response vs just respond with a knee-jerk emotional reaction to a headline. It's certainly possible that as the system runs faster and faster, it's more likely...
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- Ken Sheppardson
Dave-Misinformation has always traveled faster than the truth. Just ask the Meher Baba folks in MB http://www.mehercenter.org/ :-)
- Jim Posner
Does anyone have any opinion about why Amazon got such an intense reaction when there are so many other bad organizations that don't seem to draw such ire? New thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/rbarooa...
- Robin Barooah
based on Amazon's statement, there wasn't anything nefarious going on. Just a very widespread and unfortunate bug in their catalog system.
- Garrick Van Buren
Everbody's just cruising along with all sorts of preconceptions, opinions, and cognitive filters and as soon as something comes along in the real time stream to trigger them, it's like sharks smelling blood in the water.
- Ken Sheppardson
For now that's true Ken. Once it becomes the norm, those reaction triggers will dull, people will adapt to the true worth of the knowledge for it's age. People will learn to wait and what to expect from knowledge at age in which you consume it. Like wine. A "new" wine is not terrible, it can be consumed, you won't be revolted, but if you let it age properly it will be more valuable to you, if you let it age too long, or in the wrong way, vinegar.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: You're more optimistic than I am. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades - The Onion - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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"Would someone tell me how this happened? We were the fucking vanguard of shaving in this country. The Gillette Mach3 was the razor to own. Then the other guy came out with a three-blade razor. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called the Mach3Turbo. That's three blades and an aloe strip. For moisture. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to four blades. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling three blades and a strip. Moisture or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five blades."
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
One of my all time favorites!
- Rob Shillingsburg
Yet another Onion article that actually came true!
- Internet's Tad
This was actually a Saturday Night Live commercial from the 70's. "The increasing number of blades on a razor -- and the higher prices that come with each new iteration -- has been fodder for parody for years. The first broadcast of Saturday Night Live in 1975 included a mock commercial of a three-blade razor, with the tagline, "Because you'll believe anything." http://online.wsj.com/article...
- Robert Felty
SNL script for "triple-trac" [http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75...]. note that the caveman in the opening is hoping-to-be-senator-from-Minnesota, Al Franken.
- MikeAmundsen
As Rob said, one fo my all-time favorites. When I go down the razor aisle at the store, I often mutter quietly "fuck it, we're going to five blades". Not once have I been thrown out of the store!
- Brian Johns
5 ...screw that, I want the 15 blade quintippio is this spoof ad :) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Nick
All time favorite!
- Sam Grover
The other alternative is to go old school with a straight razor- http://www.motherearthnews.com/Hands-O...
- Robert Felty
Starting to think that social media might be WORSE than 24 hour news networks.
Nicholas James, Jérôme Flipo, Tapio Kulmala and 3 other people liked this
The problem where those networks report the same details of a story over and over and over and jump on even the slightest new detail and blow it all out of proportion just because it's new (often without even bothering to fact-check because newness trumps veracity) seems to be a thousand times worse in the social echo chamber. Not sure it's a good sign for our society.
- James (@willia4)
How so?
- Alex Scoble
And I've certainly been guilty of it before and will certainly be guilty of it again. It's too easy to get caught up in it.
- James (@willia4)
Alex - See comment.
- James (@willia4)
Heh, sorry. Reading now.
- Alex Scoble
Is this in response to the Amazon thing?
- Alex Scoble
Yeah. I've been reading about Amazon since last night and I still only have the barest of facts. I don't even know if it's been blown out of proportion yet. It could be that Amazon is actually evil (I doubt it), but there's way too much outrage and not enough facts. I crave evidence.
- James (@willia4)
I wonder what it was like to grow up in the days of carefully researched investigative reports from respected journalists.
- James (@willia4)
How does "iLife Support" compare with regular life support?
William Spaetzel, Nicholas James, Larry Hudson and 12 other people liked this
Also, no, I don't want to reboot my computer to install an upgrade for something I never use. Please stop asking.
- Paul Buchheit
Command + Delete gets it to stop asking. And it only provides iLife support to space stations running the iPhone OS 3.0 Beta. It comes with accelerometer support for your lungs.
- Mark Trapp
What I don't get is there should be no reason to reboot in the first place. It's Unixish under the hood and I'm against senseless rebooting...
- Jauder Ho
Jauder: in order to minimize conflicts, Apple chooses to restart as a means to make sure nothing user-level is running during the install. I suppose they could've gone the Adobe way and constantly poll to see if affected processes are running and fail if they are, but rebooting seems a lot simpler to explain.
- Mark Trapp
That smacks of using a hammer to kill a fly. But that's just my opinion. =) It's really not that hard to check if affected processes are running and ask for user input if it's okay to shut those processes down.
- Jauder Ho
Jauder: sure, what if a user starts it back up during the update, or worse, starts it back up, locking or corrupting essential files? And which processes? iLife Support is probably updating QuickTime components, so you'd have to shut down anything that uses QuickTime (which could be any number of first or third party apps or processes). A hammer might be overkill, but it's a little simpler than creating a rube goldberg device to account for every action the fly might take.
- Mark Trapp
I hate rebooting for any updates unless it's a 10.5.x update or something big. Nuts.
- Louis Gray
I thought this was about a new hospital wing created by Steve Jobs. I'll move along.
- jcunwired
I just realized that there are people in the world who still don't know about http://www.charlesproxy.com/ - essential dev tool! :)
Mark Derricutt and Patrick Lightbody liked this
Thanks for sharing the Charles Proxy link. I built my own HTTP/HTTPS proxy for Selenium, but their Flash stuff could be useful!
- Patrick Lightbody
Good to see Karl getting some love for Charles.
- Mark Derricutt
This @spolsky article is very much on my mind these days http://www.inc.com/magazin... "The Four Pillars of Organic Growth"
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Former Power Ranger Skylar Deleon gets death sentence - http://www.inquisitr.com/21677...
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where is zordon?
- Allen Stern
I'd love to see blip.fm integration with integrated media players or play buttons and such.
Patrick Lightbody, bnoise, Kol Tregaskes and 2 other people liked this
Yes!Yes. & yes.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
You can do it with Yahoo Pipes (see http://beta.friendfeed.com/joffi... for an example and http://beta.friendfeed.com/embee...). But it would be awesome to have this integration "officially" supported in FF.
- bnoise
how to give a VC a hard-on: 1) other VCs investing in your startup 2) graphs going up & to the right 3) two words: "geometric growth"
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The tiger and the dolphin who became the unlikeliest of friends - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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"They would never meet in the wild. So perhaps it's natural that when their paths did cross, both were curious. This young tiger and dolphin were mutually fascinated as they stared at each other through the glass of the tank at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom in California. The pair examined each other from all angles possible - then Mavrick the dolphin blew an approving bout of bubbles at Akaasha, the Bengal tiger. Staff were taking Akaasha, who is a six-month-old female tiger cub, on her daily walk around the theme park when she noticed Mavrick, who is a 14-month-old Atlantic bottlenose dolphin yesterday. Mavrick cocked his head as Akaasha strained to get closer to the glass, perhaps bewildered as to why she could not catch the scent of this strange new creature grinning at her from another world. It may be the start of a beautiful friendship."
- Cee Bee
from Bookmarklet
Wow
- Steve C
Twitter Backlash - http://imgfave.com/view/32145
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