Veremos lo que tardan en responder los que se dedican al diseño gráfico o a jugar un montón en el ordenador.
- Jose Maria Pelaez
A ver, a ver :-) Aunque creo que en esos casos el valor está más en las aplicaciones (o en la oferta de aplicaciones para un S.O. concreto) que en el sistema operativo en sí mismo
- Pablo Melchor
Hombre ya era hora que los "Spaniards" también hacemos cosas bién, aunque que el tejido empresarial Español sigue siendo un modelo principalmente PYME no nos coge de primeras, habría que añadir el procentaje de crecimiento,sostenibilidad y perspectvas de futuro de estos emprendedores, que creo es donde fallamos
- Luis Guijarro
Sí: creo que los emprendedores están ahí pero que la legislación, la "cultura laboral" y el tamaño del mercado hacen que sea muy difícil que lleguen a convertir sus negocios en grandes empresas
- Pablo Melchor
La verdad es que bien mirado es una pena no os parece, ya que tenemos los primeros grandes pasos la idea, la iniciativa y el coraje, por un lado se deberia fomentar más la formación expecifica y las ayudas, además de cambiar la perspectiva del empresario y expandir los mercados, la gran asignatura pendiente es romper con las barreras Pais, como dices el tamaño del mercado y la cultura laboral es algo limitado pero por lo menos tenemos un control más directo que no sobre la legislación.
- Luis Guijarro
What features would you change/remove/add to make it like FriendFeed or generally improve it? Of course we'd like the community spirit and the users from FF on FB but technically what needs amending to FB for you?
- Kol Tregaskes
The main thing, of course, is the openness of the community here and being able to see and comment on just about anything. That's something I can't really see Facebook implementing, unless they did a total overhaul of their system and philosophy.
- Grey Drane
I already use FB a lot now, 99% of my friends I know IRL, as opposed to here and Twitter. FF is awesome though but if they scraped FF and used the tech in upgrading FB I would love the search options in FF and how FF can take in data from a jubilee of other services.
- Chris Nunz
Oh, and they'd have to do something about all those damned apps. The vast majority of FB apps just annoy the crap out of me.
- Grey Drane
There has to be a messenger of facebook somewhere in side.
- Naimi
Aside from technical improvements to catch it up with FriendFeed, I'd add the ability to have pseudonymous accounts, just like Google, Twitter, FriendFeed, and most every other major website and social network allow. Let people keep the online identities they've been using for years
- LogEx
@Logical Extremes - Don't we sort-of have that now, thanks to the vanity URLs thing on Facebook? It's also possible to change the URL once, after setting it.
- Tyson Key
As I said here http://friendfeed.com/nathanc... it's mainly just pushing the likes and comments to the top of all of your friends' feeds - that's the core reason FriendFeed works as a conversation instigator.
- Nathan Chase
The privacy policy, the member base, and an option to get a mature theme (no pokes, etc.)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I'm looking forward to the release of the beta privacy functions they are testing. It will make a big difference to be able to control what everyone gets to see. I'm hoping they incorporate friendfeed functionality in such a way that you can share things with a bookmarklet amongst other users in a controllable manner. It'd be good if you could share tech stuff with just your techy...
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- Dan Smith
from IM
Oh and I really hope they build an IM client like Friendfeed ones based on Google Talk protocol.
- Dan Smith
You should be able to follow anybody without them having to accept a "friend request". And there should be an equivalent to FriendFeed's imaginary friends (e.g. put any RSS feed you like into your stream)
- Pablo Melchor
*confused* facebook doesn't do what i (mainly)use friendfeed for ... so i wouldn't use it for that (it has almost none of the functionality)
- immaterial
++ Pablo - I'd also include groups, the way FF has them implemented /and/ content hiding/blocking in the same way FF has it implemented. If I could block activity from ALL applications, announcements, memes, etc., I would find FB so much more useful and interesting.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Opt-out of all apps and invitations ONCE!
- Wes Hoogenboom
@Tyson... No, vanity url aside, I can't be "Logical Extremes" on Facebook. Well, I could try, but why invest anything in that when they would delete my account once they got a whiff of it.
- LogEx
Aah, OK. Thanks for the clarification.
- Tyson Key
I agree Michael. Open it up! Allow feeds from other social networks. I feel like I'm in a closed box when I use FB. Allow users the ability to discover and follow without having to wait for a friend request. Users who don't want to be found should just change privacy settings. I'd also give users the ability to opt out of apps. I hate being forced into dealing with them. The amount invitations and requests are I receive are redonkulous, I'd like to be able to opt out of them as well.
- Brodie Beta
I would like to see a DMZ area where almost anything goes (as long as it is not illegal) that allows for free discussion and sharing of almost anything. (yes Porn)
- CW™
I'd remove all of the dorks, and replace them with all of the friends i've made on friendfeed.
- Iain Baker
I was just thinking that Iain. I should ask my FF buds to post their FB urls =)
- Brodie Beta
Kol has posted a thread for you to do just that Brodie.....hang on.....
- Iain Baker
It's name would be "FriendFeed", it'd take the form of the service that we currently face, and we'd dance a happy dance, or something like that...
- Tyson Key
Complete segmentation and customization of how our friends are presented both to ourselves and to others we follow/follow us. I like you guys, and I like my real-life friends, but the two cannot collectively co-mingle and keep me comfortable. I'm not trying to hide anything or limit exposure in any way, but this is important to me. Today, with RL contacts in FB, this impedes somewhat my participation in that medium, and as a result increases my participation here.
- jcunwired
I don't want the Facebook toolbar at the top of the screen to follow me around to every outbound link I click on within Facebook.
- Brad Williamson
An "Edit" function. Bumping posts instead of polluting my inbox with notifications that someone liked or commented on a thread would be nice, too.
- Victor Ganata
Make it virtually identical to FF that way we lose nothiing............
- Kevin J Hatton
‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift +1 and its audience
- sofiagk
Oh yes, good points - I want to own my content, not some snot-nosed entrepreneur just out of high school ;) And, keep censorship reasonable. I don't mind a relatively clean environment, but removing pics of breastfeeding women? Give me a break!
- jcunwired
More feeds, public profiles (not pages), better bookmarklet (well FreindFeed's bookmarklet would do).
- Andrew Roche
So many things.....no waiting to follow someone, no applications, real time, and no more of those damn silly quizzes!
- Bonnie Foster
I must admit, I do like the way FB handles photos and birthday reminders. Past that, not much there I care about (aside from my friends and family) of course.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Remove Apps and Beacon. Then it will start being a little more useful and a LOT less annoying.
- Jason Huebel
from iPhone
I don't even know where to start. I can't imagine that the current FF experience, as is, can be replicated in FB, as is. I'd rather just do without FF and look elsewhere.
- Neil Saunders
The "give up your friend's demographic info while annoying them" part.
- Mr. Gunn
+1 groups- enable a feed from the groups to the news feed.
- suelibrarian
Make it so your home feed could display only one list as default, so I could list the people who say things I'm interested in instead of the people who I'm friends with IRL but post useless stuff.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I have read many comments from people saying that they do not want to mingle their Facebook "real-life friends" (who may not share at all their "geeky interests") and their FriendFeed friends (whom they may not have met in person but who do share their interests). Maybe FriendFeed could become something like "Facebook Pro" (or whatever you want to call it), meaning it would be the more...
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- Pablo Melchor
More friend-of-friend stuff, more realtime, more filtering.
- Tristan Seligmann
Yeah real-time is really lacking there but it must be in the cards. The real-time pops you get a nice and I like that expandable chat pop-up too.
- Kol Tregaskes
If I HAD to use facebook instead of friendfeed. I would simply do without.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Maybe they should replace the Facebook management and product teams with the FriendFeed folks - I can see that creating a significant improvement. ;)
- Tyson Key
I've been using FB over FF the last couple days simply because of a possible merger. Plus, it does feel a little good inside to have rl friends in on the action for once and not have to get them to create a FF account. But I am not using FBs importing tools to bring it all in to FB. I don' t like that I can't make the imported stories private and I don't like that I can't include what I...
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- Araceli
I expressed my thoughts about this at the time of the acquisition, but now I'm rethinking my original thoughts and am writing a blog post (or perhaps several) about this. Note that a certain red-head will turn up in my discussion. I'll keep you...um..posted about this.
- John E. Bredehoft
I was on a conference call yesterday with the team about to flip the switch and release the project that I've been working on for the last few months to an internal beta and someone blurts out "Michael Jackson is Dead!". I'm not sure how they found out...
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
The nice thing about breaking news on FF is that the number of posts required for everyone to get their OMGz out are decreased by an order of magnitude. On Twitter there's 5 tweets per person about MJ, on Friendfeed there's one post for every few people and then those pile up the comments.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Saw the first unverified rumors on Tumblr. Switched to twitter for more info and found a raging torrent of unsubstantiated tweets, most w/out links, announcing his death + a few linking to sources reporting the cardiac arrest and hospitalization. Glanced at FriendFeed and saw less rumor and more links to reports of what was so far known. Turned to Google News and found LA Times live blogging verified news. Kept hitting refresh until they updated with confirmation that Michael Jackson was dead.
- Ben Greenberg
WHAT??? MJ's DEAD??? Just kidding, yeah Twitter.
- Tac Anderson
@Mike - I think that counts as FF then, unless the tweet you saw had 0 likes and 0 comments. Don't discount the value of community filters!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Friendfeed but then I spent a couple of hours trying to establish whether it was true or not.
- WorldofHiglet
A rare occurrence, my boss was on Twitter and noticed the tweets and mentioned it. So much for me being on top of real time media. I was working! :p
- Josh Haley
Friendfeed told me he was rushed to the hospital. I then was out and about monitoring m.nytimes.com on my G1, where I got the final news.
- Matthew DeVries
checking in on friendfeed before going to bed last night - i'm on vacation and haven't seen a tv - also haven't been online too much either
- Chris Heath
My wife got a text from an SMS service provided by People Magazine. When I asked who sent it to her, she was almost too embarrassed to tell me.
- Chip Ramsey
Tina: That's fantastic. Were you by chance playing paddle tag or shooting the duck at the time?
- Chip Ramsey
Nope: I was trying to not fall on my arse at a roller derby practice. The last time I skated MJ was in his heyday, so it was weirdly symmetrical.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Here are the ambiguous per the script: (?): I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds. - Louis Gray (?): From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel. - Fred Yankowski (?): CNN from my dad's Behold - Mohomed Abdullahi (?): email alert from a local news station on my phone. - Steve Lowe (?): I was on a conference call...
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- Micah Wittman
DrudgeReport. Heard about him being rushed to the hospital via MSNBC news alert popup. Was working and wasn't checking twitter/ff at the time.
- Tad
from fftogo
Twitter. But I saw the tweets running through my FriendFeed Home stream.
- Chris Baskind
Is it bad that I don't remember? Let me get back to you...Facebook, perhaps? I think it was before I was gonna go do some missions and quests and try to get Pyros. My brother sent me an SMS before that, but I didn't see it until after I knew.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Twitter - on June 25th - Twitter's trending topics told me that 3 celebrities died. They were 2 out of 3. I think Jeff Goldblum is still living....
- Mike Nencetti
Michael Jackson is Dead?!! First I've heard of this! ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
I got the initial notice that he was rushed to the hospital via Cnnbrk that I have sent to my phone, so I guess Twitter (though official word came for me via CNN itself)
- BCK
My friend Missy predicted 10 hours earlier, I found out while making frenchtoast and watching the News, they said Coma, I said bs
- Tsali, The Native of FF
I woke up from a nap to it being on the news. In my groggy state, I saw his picture, and was trying to make sense of it. Finally it clicked, and then it was sort of like, "Huh?! He was only 40 something. That doesn't make any sense. " (He was actually 50) .
- Nimabeckie
My oldest son called me and let me know..
- aerobroken
TV News - in Australia regular broadcasting stopped on two channels as they covered the event in LA for most of the day - another station played MJ all night til dawn. Of course once I was online, I could see that even twitter was mourning.
- Chris Loft
Seesmic Desktop --> Facebook --> from Mona :) I later left to run an errand and listened to "Beat It" playing on the car radio during a tribute. I felt it was very fitting I found out the news from a combination of social media but actually sort of accepted it as true by hearing it on the radio - as opposed to something like YouTube. It just goes to show how long he's been around and how much has changed since The Jackson 5 days. The word revolutionary comes to mind.
- TheMacMommy
Twitter, just cuz that was the tab I had visible. Wait...when did I find out he was in the hospital, or when did I find out he was actually dead? Two diff questions.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Associated Press's iPhone app pushed breaking news to my phone. So "other".
- Rob Haas
FriendFeed (there were 57 votes for FriendFeed when I voted)
- Miss Elle
Text. (I was outside and away from a computer. Subsequently informed everyone at the call center with which I do business, since I'm pretty sure they don't have Internet access there.)
- Sue Radd
Email from a friend in the US so I saw it morning my time in Europe
- Krishna De
Friendfeed, but had to go to LA Times and CNN to believe it.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Do you mean "how did you find out that he'd died?" or "how did you find out that some people were saying he'd died?". The answer to the first is "on the BBC". The second is "FriendFeed" - although what I saw on FF was a feed through of Twitter.
- Ian Betteridge
Heard that MJ fell ill on Japanese TV. Saw that he died on FriendFeed. Checked CNN et al, and eventually they confirmed it.
- Rick Cogley
Via Facebook. I was surprised I learned about it there...
- Samuel Driessen
The News. I walked into my Boss's office and he had it on TV. I'd been in meetings all day at that point and hadn't had access to any of my connected devices.
- Jason Toney
When my wife told me. Same way I found out he had gone to hospital. I continued to not care.
- Eoghann Irving
Plurk. Funny thing was that on FF I saw a slew of MJ posts paying tribute, but didn't understand why everyone on FF was so MJ crazy. A friend on Plurk directly commented that he and Farrah had died.
- Criz
I found out Michael Jackson had been hospitalized on Twitter. then rumors started that me may be / might not be dead, so I tried searching the web for confirmation and found nothing. Soon, there were links on Twitter to the CBS UStream broadcast which confirmed his death for me.
- jbrotherlove
I'm currently in the hospital and i suddenly woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30 AM and couldn't fall a sleep again, so i turned on my cell phone and in the magic of that quite hospital night i found out from Facebook's statuses of my friends that he's dead. It was a very sad and strange feeling.
- Tibor Holoda
Got a txt msg just after 2p (MJ Cardiac Arrest 911) - Turned to my friend and said what the msg said and "He is goinna die" due to Ed McMahon dying earlier this week and that whole 'dying in 3s" thing. I didn't know about Farrah Fawcett until around 5pm. I was away from my computer al day and don't have a 'smartphone.'
- RAD Moose
Saw it in a Swedish tabloid (?) in a Coöp Nara (grocery) in Stockholm. It was in Swedish, but Michael Jackson 1958-2009 was clear enough.
- Ruchira S. Datta
overheard at Whole Foods. Mistrusted, unable to hear on radio (at 6:30 EST); confirmed at 7:10 via the New York Times who had just reported it.
- Stephanie_Happy2010!
¿Hay alguna forma de ver los temas más relevantes en un momento en Friendfeed? (Una página estilo search.twitter.com con lo que más se discute sería interesante.)
Jorge, no he visto nada "por temas", como comentas. ¿Pero has probado "Lo mejor del día" (menú de la derecha)?. Es otro enfoque, pero te da una idea similar de "qué se está cociendo"
- Pablo Melchor
Sí, para las personas que sigues y te siguen es la idea, únicamente que yo querría extenderlo a todos los usuarios de Friendfeed para poder seguir tendencias a nivel global. ¿Hay algo parecido?
- Jorge
Parece ser que no: hay usuarios que lo han pedido, así que supongo que estarán valorándolo.
- Pablo Melchor
Newt Gingrich?? Why *is* Newt Gingrich on the SUL?
- RobinDotNet
I would think having Newt Gingrich on the list would invalidate the entire list. I mean, really.
- RobinDotNet
Doubledown_inSL: I don't want to be on any default list by a platform vendor that I didn't earn my way onto and that YOU can't earn your way onto it either. This is not a meritocracy. It's a royalty system. One that picks stars and gifts them huge audiences.
- Robert Scoble
Ahmed: Twitter picked their favorite people and removed anyone that they saw as a threat to their future business model. Me for talking about friendfeed too much. Leo for complaining about the name. Calacanis for being a pimp. Kawasaki for being too obvious about building his business (Alltop) on top of it. Shall I go on?
- Robert Scoble
Doubledown_inSL: you need to take a look at the original conversation if you haven't already... http://ff.im/4iPSZ
- Travis Koger
reminds me of way clubs in NYC let people in #1.Star Power (BIG NAME), #2 Beauty #3 Wealth
- courtney benson
one thing would be interesting to map - how many of the people on the list have ties to kevin rose... i am betting some interesting trends would show up.
- Allen Stern
Courtney: You forgot women to men ratio! ;)
- Travis Koger
Allen: Leo and I both have ties to Kevin Rose and aren't on the list.
- Robert Scoble
Media has always been star-driven... so one of the measures of success of any star-maker is the editorial judgment and wisdom of their anointed ones. Same in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Nashville, Bollywood... print, radio, tv, movies... it's inescapable... and, Robert, no matter whose list you do or don;t make it onto, you are already a MAJOR star ;-)
- Fred Davis
robert - im talking about "in his posse" - justine is(was?), gary, etc. it's something that I've wondered about for a while.
- Allen Stern
Fred: thank you (for those who don't know, Fred is one of the co-founders of Wired Magazine and a star in his own right). But I wasn't gifted my "stardom" by a media platform. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Fred, agreed that Robert is top notch but so is Leo, Guy and Jason as well as Kevin
- courtney benson
Allen: if you said it's "San Francisco gadflys" or "insiders" then I think you're correct. It's just that Kevin is one that's very visible in that circle. Funny, Howard Lindzen and Jeff Pulver and Fred Wilson are investors in Twitter and they aren't on it. I think all three of them deserve it too. I wonder why they aren't gifted a spot?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: surely having investors on the SUL would be a little too inbred, even for twitter?
- Travis Koger
Travis: probably. I sure would love to see the thinking that goes on behind the scenes when they decide this list. By the way, I've heard from someone close to the Twitter team that complaining about the list gets you added to a black list where you never will get onto it. Which, funny enough, freed me to complain even more. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I guess it would be a little liberating knowing that technically you could not offend them more than you already have. ;)
- Travis Koger
there's always been old boys clubs, the SUL is just twitter's form of it.
- BCK
I do like his posts. I wish Dave contributed more on Friendfeed though. I think he is a little reluctant because he doesn't want to evangelise FF at all. He isn't interested in getting people from twitter to here, he considers that FF's problem and not something he should freely help towards. I suppose he is the opposite of you Scoble in that regard.
- Mark
wow, I met Steve Johnson recently @MarketingProfs B2B and I did not connect his real life self with the Twitter suggested list :D
- Valeria Maltoni
also, looks like the editors at People magazine picked who they put on the list :)
- Valeria Maltoni
I swear I typed that before I saw People magazine on the list!
- Valeria Maltoni
Robert, I think you're engaging in one of the oldest forms of media self-promotion here: attacking others as a way of drawing attention to yourself. I like you a lot and you're generally very positive. But when you start claiming that twitter "took you off the list" because you promote Friendfeed too much, I think you're playing the same kind of media game that led talk radio and its ilk astray. It doesn't speak well of you.
- Tim O'Reilly
I wondering if there has been anything showing whether being on the SUL effects a business bottom line, if it does or starts to I definitely can see a problem.
- Kim Landwehr
Just guessing but I find it really hard to believe that half the "stars" on the SUL actually write their own tweets. Betting it is all run by a bunch of PR flacks.
- Dave Hodson
Tim: you keep making this about me but I am far from the only one hurt by this list. But you are right and it demonstrates just how many strings are attached here even for people who are not on the list. We can't even discuss the list and how anti-community and how it sets up a corruptible system without looking like a selfish jerk. But you forgot one thing: I will not accept a spot on...
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- Robert Scoble
Tim: but I have written my last word on this. You are right that it serves me no good to talk about this and waste my energy on it. It's just shocking to me that you are defending something that isn't a meritocracy. I was expecting you to be the first one to decry this system of royalty and corruptible systems. The fact that you're all for it and, worse, saying I'm doing this just for self promotion, makes me sad. Really sad.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: and for that I had to interview and win my job (which wasn't easy). Also I had thousands of readers per day BEFORE getting that job and being a Microsoft employee didn't get me on a default list that was included in a platform service. I also didn't get an unfair advantage against other Microsoft employees and Bill Gates didn't "pick" the winners -- the marketplace did (when I...
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- Robert Scoble
Speaking as a non-celebrity looking in: I'm really bugged by this whole thing. First of all, Robert, I didn't need a SUL to follow you. Or Leo or Tim or iJustine or TechCrunch or anyone else on my list. The SUL means nothing to me. I never even looked into it ( I've been on twitter since 2006 way before the SUL was in place) until this whole SUL scandal started coming up. I understand...
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- Lise
Obviously the SUL is a bad idea all around, or at least the way it is implemented. I can see why they want it; most likely to help with retention of new users. Most people sign up and have no idea what to do. Unfortunately it puts Twitter, those on the SUL, and the people who point out what a poor system it is in a bad spot. There is no way Twitter can say they would be fair and...
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- W_B_K
Robert, hey, I know you weren't gifted your stardom, you earned it by being RELENTLESS about doing your thing, and doing it in public forums (whatever the forum), i.e.: sharing!!!
- Fred Davis
I think, ideally, SUL's would be personalized, based on your interests, your profile(s), your friends, FOF's, etc. We'd all get a different one, that was (hopefully) more tailored to each of us. The web is about micromedia, and the one-SUL-fits-all approach is so mass media that it doesn't fit in very well... as this whole discussion (and the many others on the SUL topic) underscore.
- Fred Davis
Fred: I agree and its a great point. This is almost what Facebook and LinkedIn do to recommend connections.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Some interesting points here. Being somewhat of a lightweight compared to some of the visionaries here, I appreciate the opportunity to comment on something that has been bugging me for some time. I wrote about the follower issue a little while ago on my blog, http://bit.ly/NhVQa, and I feel very strongly that Twitter has become a popularity contest for some of its users. The fact the Robert engages others equally, regardless of their VC level, is why I follow him. His value to the community is tangible.
- Chris Sparno
I thought LinkedIn had a similar issue a few years ago with the number of connections and they capped the visible connections at 500 and evened the playing field. I like that approach. But it seems that acquiring twitter followers is baked into the twitter dna and they would never create a visible cap at 500.
- Jim Posner
Robert, I love you to death man, but why do you waste so much time and energy on this topic? I certainly don't care who is on the list, it just doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Make you own SUL if you feel others deserve to be heard, you have the webspace and the star power to do it, so just do it. Big hug dude.
- Rob Fahrni
Fred: I'd love a system like that. Sort of like Alltop or WeFollow.com. That would have been the right thing to do. Jim: exactly. Lise: there is a disconnect between those who do this as a business and those who do it just for fun. Audience size means money. Let me know how you feel when someone at work gets a huge raise without deserving it/earning it (especially worse if you've been...
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- Robert Scoble
So all those sales people and "MAKE MONEY WITH TWITTER" people -- do they make money off of me if I don't follow them back?
- RobinDotNet
I like what Fred said. It really would enhance the service. Tumblr has the right approach, at least in part, on the micro-level with Tumblarity. Each user has their own benchmark. In terms of twitter's SUL, it's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. Twitter is a business. The SUL is one method they use to promote their brand. There's a level of inherent familiarity built into the brand...
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- Benjamin Taylor
PS It's great to see the hulk back, in solidarity.
- Benjamin Taylor
So if there was a revolt and nobody followed people on the SUL who they thought should not be on the SUL, would Twitter leave them on the SUL? If you don't follow someone because they are on the SUL, is that as bad as following them because they are? (Did that make any sense, or did I not get enough sleep last night?)
- RobinDotNet
Exactly Robert, you work your butt off, and I appreciate you for what you bring to the table. I guess being a z-lister, like myself, leaves me on the outside of understanding why this is such a hot topic? Does this really boil down to money? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I truly don't get why it's so important?
- Rob Fahrni
Let's not forget that you can't be the "media darling" if you don't cater to celebs and the popular.Twitter has grown down distinct paths. On one branch are the value creators - they share and create meaningful content, dialog and discourse. On another, are the media hounds, who crave attention and are collecting followers like Pokemon. Those of us who value the former don't pay attention to the SUL.
- Chris Sparno
Isn't it kind of like going to google and searching for something, and the first links that show up are the ones that people have paid google money to give them precedence, and they might not even necessarily be the best search result?
- RobinDotNet
Robin, its exactly like that. Good analogy.
- Chris Sparno
Benjamin: you don't want to see me when I'm angry! Rob Fahrni: absolutely it's about money. And sex. And influence. And other kinds of measuring I won't mention here. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Rob Fahrni: but mostly it's about building a platform that is a meritocracy. I'm an American. I don't like royalty based systems. If you can't earn your way onto this list I don't want any part of it.
- Robert Scoble
Then Google isn't an exact model, because it IS a meritocracy, even though it's based on cash.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I've never paid to be on Google. So far Google is a pretty darn good example of a good platform vendor that lets the marketplace decide winners and losers.
- Robert Scoble
Don't they have paid links that take precedence? I guess the diff is that though they might have that (and I don't know that they do for sure), they also show everybody else that fits the search criteria.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: absolutely not. The paid links were always separate on Google and never were mixed in with the free ones.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I meant killin me in a good way, I'm grinning ear-to-ear. I see your point but doesn't all this attention, even negative attention, just add to the popularity of the thing you despise? You're one of the good guys Robert, don't let this drag you down. I think this is great fodder for a very long essay on Scobleizer.
- Rob Fahrni
Got it. That's good to know. So the links that best meet the search criteria are on the top. Hmmm. Sounds like meritocracy to me. You're right, not like Twitter's SUL.
- RobinDotNet
It's kind of interesting Robert that you are righteously condeming Twitter for removal from the SUL. As if it a) really matters in the grand scheme of things, b) like this is supposed to be a true meritocracy (I'm uncertain where one exists in the real word), and c) complaining on friendfeed or yourblog will change twitters mind. You are not @aplusk kutchner, or one of the Jonas bros...
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- derikp
derikp: if my son is better at playing soccer and isn't chosen I'd certainly go and talk to the coach and plead his case. But we're not talking about soccer and anyway I'm done discussing this. Onward. I'm glad there are so many people who like royalty based systems and don't understand why meritocracies are important to defend. I guess that's how we end up with countries like Iran and China. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
It's interesting, a number of you have heavily criticized the SUL, yet you're all still using Twitter. Speaks to the power of numbers in the platform.
- Bill Kinney
Why should there be a list at all? Follow people that interest you. You make twitter what it is.
- Ryan Gerritsen
Bill: You can not like the SUL and still use Twitter. Apples and oranges. I don't like many of the people who live in my town, yet I still live here and like the town.
- Curt Mercadante
Granted. I just think it would be more interesting if someone critical of Twitter put their money where their mouth is and stopped using it. Actions speak louder than words, yadda yadda. It seems unlikely given the audiences some people have over there even if it's not a million plus. I also think the tech celebrity is jealous that traditional media has co-opted the platform. It's a fascinating topic.
- Bill Kinney
oh when will lame twitter SUL get corrected?! *sigh*
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
And, by the way, it seems like the SUL is being used like the same "mass follower" tools that the Twitter folks are seeking to diminish by killing the accounts of those who use them.
- Curt Mercadante
Reason I still use Twitter, I still get more responses from my Tweets than in FF. Yet I tend to be more engaged in FF these days but I think the FF celebs usually spark the most engaging threads and the rest of us are trying to get that engagement from our posts.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: there's no audience more engaged than one you build yourself by being of service to them. It's tough work and I'll be watching and engaging!
- Robert Scoble
Sorry I wasn't complaining, just saying many of us built that in Twitter and find it a little tougher to get traction on FriendFeed with our posts. I think tools like WeFollow, Twellow (and even #followfriday) help build relevant audiences easier. You can even argue that SUL is even a good starting place for n00bs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: yeah, the eco system that's built up around Twitter is quite powerful. On the other hand here all you need to do is follow someone active and they bring other people into your view (every time I click "like" or comment on someone's items I push those items into your view, for instance) so finding new people to follow here is much nicer and much less of a competition. Plus you find new voices that aren't on any list a lot faster here, I've found.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe they could reward early twitter users with a day on the list for every month on twitter before 08. If new social networks would promise props in the future I could live without twitter.
- Greg Birch
Although the SUL is obviously distorting of the natural community growth of Twitter, and does not really fulfill the functions @Ev and @Biz intended, "power users" not on the SUL who criticize it should know: they sound really vain, chippy, and silly.
- Jason Pontin
I don't care who is on the Twitter SUL, and I pay no attention to it. I look for the Twitter feeds that are most interesting to me -- they are not difficult to find, with a bit of searching. I don't understand the preoccupation with that list -- like everything on the Internet, it is simple to route around or ignore entirely.
- Sean McBride
Jason: we know that. If I lived in fear of looking vain, chippy, or silly, I'd just stay off the Internet! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I do not know you or Tim but I do follow and have great respect for you both. IMHO (I am an amateur when compared to you guys), Tim was not saying that he supports the SUL. Do I agree with his comment? Nope. Do I like the SUL? No. But it does happen that if you criticise a list while you mention that you have not been included it can sound like you are "jealous" even if you are not and you do have good reasons for not liking the list... so this can be a tricky one!
- Pablo Melchor
Really, the personalized way is the only good way... I mean, sheesh, Twitter recommends people like Ashlee Simpson to me, ferchrissakes! So most of the people on the SUL are a total waste for me, and I suppose for most people, when you get right down to it... if I had some $ to burn I'd get some outside research firm like Insight Express to scope out how the SUL is actually viewed,...
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- Fred Davis
I still think most people find suggested users through word-of-mouth and their own social circles. That's the only way to get the people you really want to follow based on your interests. I've also found that using hashtags properly will get the kind of users you want to follow to you before you get to them.
- Fleagle
There should be a language filtering system on FF, my non-Turkish followers doesn't like when I write in my native lang, I lost many followers like Louis Gray and Robert Scoble.
yeni bir hesap kullanmak durumundasiniz, ben de oyle yapacagim dogru zamani bekliyorum. scoble ingilizce yazmayanlara abone olmuyorum diyordu ama aboneyken kaldirmasi garip geldi. bana da abone. :P
- Oğuz Serdar
As Oguz suggests, why should I use an alternative account? I have only one personality that can interpret in two languages. Language is a very fundamental content filtering criteria that are adopted by content searching/filtering services firstly. FF team should spend more time on innovation.
- Burcu Dogan
A problem with all life feeds I've seen. People try to add [language prefix] to their posts in Twitter, but I personally would prefer to tell FF which languages I comprehend so it will detect content languages and show me only those I can make sense of.
- Enver ALTIN
Planning to write feedback email, usually they listen and reply back fast. FYI, many people was complaining about NSFW content, I heard that they are working on it.
- Burcu Dogan
If I did this, it was not intentional, or I don't recall. But I can see how if it was unreadable to me I might have done that. I see that I am subscribed to you now, and don't know how long. (Also: You're on my "Front Page" list)
- Louis Gray
Hi Borcu ! Why not consider using another room for your native language while waiting for a FF solution ? You'll need to use Yahoo pipes to split your feeds. Ask for Brome, he did it some days ago : http://friendfeed.com/languag...
- DAL
As DAL says, creating a semi-private group to write my French posts is the best solution I've come up with so far. The Yahoo pipes part is secondary, since it's only used to separate my Twitter updates (tweets with the #fr tag will go to my French group, and tweets with #en will go to my main feed).
- Brome
I have been thinking about this as well and I agree with what Burcu says. My suggested solution: (1) Settings for posting: users should be able to easily identify the language of whatever they sharing (e.g. in my settings I define that I post in Spanish and English -default: Spanish- and whenever I am about to post something I have two radiobuttons to choose the language -with my...
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- Pablo Melchor
or how about a universal translator..! I tried using two different accounts, but I just can't keep up. I accidentally post one way or the other. Brome's solution seems to be the next best solution, although to date I haven't used Yahoo pipes. There's always a first time for everything though..
- John Serra
I'm not sure about having to choose yourself. Computers are pretty good at guessing the language in which is piece of text is written. Doing it yourself is just a waste of time and complicates the interface a lot.
- Peter Stuifzand
Peter, if it can be done that would certainly work for the posting settings
- Pablo Melchor
John, here's the link to my Yahoo pipe: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... You can take a look at it and create you own. It's a very simple pipe.
- Brome
Thanks Brome.. Simple enough after all.. You do end up losing 4 characters of your 140, but I guess that is no biggie..
- John Serra
Google's language detection API looks cool, but FriendFeed needs its own. Realtime language checks would be costlier than the whole system. It doesnt sound practical. Opps, sorry Louis, I should have better written code to check if you were following me or not. I'm pretty bad at manual visits and CTRL+F search :P
- Burcu Dogan
from Micah ( http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... ) : "UPDATE RELEASE [v0.1.2] - Added auto-language detection handling (in Configuration, you can set an explicit language with var languageCodeFrom; the default is set to auto-detect). Also added an autoTranslate option in Configuration. To automatically translate title/comments when a single entry page is loaded, set var autoTranslateEnabled = true;"
- metalerik
Again, I know this isn't filtering which I'm sure some people still want but this is a way for anyone to see translations within FriendFeed (not in a new tab) at the click of a button. I want to see what people write whether or not it's in english. By the way, the translations can be automatic or the from and to languages can be set to do it how you want.
- metalerik
Maybe they could use google translate for translation on the fly. Just like they did with gmail.
- Jaap Willem
i have 2 accounts for this. i dont have rights to disturb people with my native language.
- Burcu Tüzün
La Federal Trade Comission de EE.UU. piensa "fiscalizar" la práctica de hacer regalitos a los bloggers para que hablen bien de tus productos. El tagline de la FTC: "Protecting America's Consumers"
- Pablo Melchor
My vote goes to @leolaporte. He gets to do all day what I can only do on the weekends... netcast. He also gets the cool product reviews that I can't quite manage yet.
- John Fox
Gary: no way. Jim Long's job is FAR cooler. He gets to go on Air Force One
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I gotta hear more about this happiness. It sounds like an Amsterdam tour guide.
- Robert Scoble
It's better than Amsterdam because it all occurs locally. No travel!
- Mike White
Robert, I think YOUR job is pretty cool :-)
- Pablo Melchor
John: sorry. Leo wasn't drinking Sake with @garyvee today. Unless he has supermodels sitting on his lap his job his isn't that cool. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble has to be one of them. In geek heaven most of the time... :)
- Amit Nangare
Pablo: Agreed. Anyone who gets to deal with tech and social media all day is cool in my book.
- John Fox
Mike, you might have fun selling it, I'm a librarian who thinks it is even more fun to give it away.
- Carolyn Wood
Robert: Well, when you put it like that... ;-)
- John Fox
Carolyn - I give it away as much as possible, but I have to pay the bills!
- Mike White
Pablo: I can't argue. Hanging out with @garyvee rocks!
- Robert Scoble
Mike, if you are feeling guilty you are always welcome to volunteer @ your library!
- Carolyn Wood
yes being a photo/videographer with great access to important events would be really cool, I had little tastes of it while freelancing for nyt, ap, national geo. but most importantly, you get to play with all the latest digi-toys :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
Carolyn - No guilt. I volunteer every week.
- Mike White
I am sitting next to the CEO of Intermec Pat Burn in UA 95.
- Robert Scoble
As I once told @karaswisher, anyone living in the Valley or on the West Coast is spoiled with being in tech's back yard. Nothing interesting ever happens here in Indy, except for BlogIndiana.
- John Fox
Sorry, take my job and multiply it by 100x and you have @newmediajim's job.
- Robert Scoble
There's no competition. Barrack Obama. Fancy plain, gets to call anyone in the world and get called back. Media exposure, travel, awesome house and the job comes with a private plain, helicopter and military force. He's the leader of the free world and when he speaks, everyone (even those that despise him) listen. That job rocks. Tough... but rocks.
- Jason Nunnelley
Leo, Patrick and Martin Sargent came to Houston once ... nothing techie really happens in Houston either
- Kashif Khan
I have 2 extremely cool jobs: I work in craft brewery 't IJ in Amsterdam. And I work in 1 of the best assorted beerstores in the world, de Bierkoning, with more than 900 different types of beer.
- Ton Zijp
Once heard a guy talking about his job as a professional whiskey taster. They provided him a driver. I'd work for any Islay whiskey producer in that position.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Ton, I will be moving to Amsterdam soon... where can I try those 900 beers?
- Gianfranco Chicco
I meant spoiled in a good way, of course!
- John Fox
Robert's job is long hours and hard work. I don't want it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Gianfranco: Well, I work in a beerstore. So you can't drink them there (although I am allowed to do that). You have to buy the bottles at de Bierkoning (just behind the Palace) to take them to your hotelroom & drink them there.
- Ton Zijp
Jim's might not be the most exciting or adventurous job out there, but he certainly provides some very interesting insights and things to look in on.
- Dean Clark
Jason I haven't worked an hour in the last few years.
- Robert Scoble
@AstroMike is the NASA astronaut Twitter-er. But my vote is with Nir Ben Yona. That's a killer job right there.
- Aaron Turpen
Nir: my friend Bill Storage has had naked super models in his house. I would still rather have Jim Long's job.
- Robert Scoble
I like my job, personally. I get to be home with my family all day and set my own schedule. Heck, I'm going to Boston in 2 weeks and don't need to request any time off work. I'll just work from out there!
- Jesse Stay
I think Paul Therotte has a pretty cool gig. I dont know what he makes but seems like a good gig.
- Spirit 2.0
I wouldn't take Barack Obama's job for all the tea in China. I love my own job: helping entrepreneurs get started and grow. As my kids used to say, "my mom thinks on the phone for a living." Now I think online:-) No complaints here.
- Francine Hardaway
It isn't new but a guy I know rode a boom camera for the Donnie and Marie Show (yeah I know) and said it was the most fun he ever had.
- Bob Calder
from twhirl
There is a guy who works for Sports Illustrated who's job is to brush off the sand from the backside of the swimsuit models. I saw it once on a documentary. That would be a pretty cool job.
- Andrew Leyden
We get to travel around the world filming the best organic food, eco-accommodations, exotic locations and some of the true top chefs on the planet...just saying.
- HippyGourmet
The person who loves what they do the most of course... or an eccentric rich guy with no formal responsibilities, that's my dream job.
- Mark Essel
Mythbusters crew. They get to do all the coolest things in the name of good tv.
- John Ford
John, I've got to admit the blowing stuff up (w.out hurting people, cause the pres gets to blow stuff up) is pretty cool. I'm voting on Mythbusters crew. Good one.
- Jason Nunnelley
l'd love to be an artist - musician/painter/cartoonist if only I had that much talent :(
- Krishna Gade
Sorry, the coolest job in the white house has to be Pete Souza's, Chief Official White House Photographer. One of my favorite Souza photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos... or google "obama haircut son"
- Steve Wilhelm
Photographers seem to have hell of a time. They meet new (even famous) people, travel constantly, and have a creative job. Win. Fashion Photographers have even /more/ fun, from the sounds of it ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Not *the* coolest, but mine ain't bad. Recently started driving cross-country in a 1986 RV meeting people and telling their stories on video. http://thehardestyear.com
- John
Robert: I have the collest job in the world, because it was designed by me, so that I get to spend every day, doing what I love the most. I'm just trying to figure out how to get paid to watch re-runs of The Big Bang Theory show too - then it will be perfect!
- Jim Connolly
Jim: anyone who has a job that they love is in a great place, I agree. We're very blessed there.
- Robert Scoble
To me right now, any job that pays enough for me to keep my house is the coolest one in the world. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any of those around here.
- Scott Ohlemacher
I am putting together a presentation that highlights some of the best bloggers who help their company, but are unofficial. The focus is mostly on enterprise, but I would be eager to see what you are reading.
- Louis Gray
Heh. It was actually my original answer, but I saw Louis nab the first comment with a 'Placeholder' comment so I decided to mock him before I put Matt in. I didn't see yours till after.
- Kevin Fox
Jeremiah Owyang; Fred Wilson is my first pick, but perhaps AVC is too closely aligned with Union Square Ventures.
- Mark Evans
GM's CEO has gotten some heat for things he has said there
- Mike Bracco
Kevin, I don't mind your mockery. Paul, you should log in as admin and delete it for him or make Kevin have said something else and then lock the comment. :)
- Louis Gray
Stephen, who is the best in the storage and networking space, which I know is your forte?
- Louis Gray
Paul - LOL too funny! BTW, I was gonna say Matt Cutts too!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Pablo, in theory, yes, but as Scoble has forged his own brand and was blogging here prior to Rackspace, I think it's not a perfect fit for this example.
- Louis Gray
David Armano helped Critical Mass a lot... until he left, which raises the question of what happens when that great unofficial blogger goes elsewhere
- Pablo Melchor
Paul Allen - http://paulallen.net - he is CEO and founder of FamilyLink, who does the We're Related app on Facebook. He is also founder of Ancestry.com (now Generations Networks)
- Jesse Stay
Sergei Brin FTW http://www.too.blogspot.com Imagine if he was here, Friendfeed would have to change the stat message to "about 2 posts per *year*" :D
- Jérôme Flipo
2nding Chad Sakac of EMC & all the storage guys. There seems to be a long (in blog years) tradition in that area of technologists operating outside the corporate domain. Also Duncan Epping of VMware has been critical to the VMware tech community: http://yellow-bricks.com/
- John Troyer
A long time ago (in web years) it was the trio Matt Cutts for Google, Robert Scoble for Microsoft, and Jeremy Zawodny for Yahoo. Now, only Matt remains to work at the same place.
- Philipp Lenssen
"Some third party software developers have made good use of the FriendFeed API to create some great FriendFeed iPhone applications. Stay connected to FriendFeed even when you're away from your computer with one of these iPhone apps (at our office, BuddyFeed and Amigo have been really popular)"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I broke down and bought BuddyFeed about a week ago. It has helped me use FriendFeed more but there are features it's lacking (specifically Twitter sharing integration). solid app overall though.
- Michael Koby
from BuddyFeed
Still looking for the perfect Tri-fecta app: Friendfeed / FaceBook / Twitter "hub". Nambu and Zensify are close on the iPhone, but both are 1/3 short.
- eEditor
from Nambu
I use Nambu on my iPhone and for Twitter on my Mac and like them both. The Mac version is currently without FriendFeed and Facebook, but both are promised 'soon', like end of June/July when it comes out of beta.
- Ken Gidley
BuddyFeed and amigo aren't bad, but they both need serious work on their respective UIs (particularly as it relates to liking and commenting, both of which require about 2 too many taps). I'm excited to see what happens with these in the future. And now I'm actually thinking about building one myself. We'll see.
- Brett Kelly
How about Android? C'mon developers! Android will be on more devices in the future, including netbooks!
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
These apps all seem to lack some obvious basics, like being able to email a FF item. I own BuddyFeed (and a couple others) and generally like it, but I still bounce to the web app sometimes.
- David Chartier
Great thread - thanks for the pointers everyone.
- Mitch Wagner
Is there anything interesting out there for BlackBerry?
- Pablo Melchor
Using Nambu myself-primarily to post to FF and Ping.fm--really great picture integration which the FF/iphone page lacks. It can still hang up a bit--but no complaints since it's free.
- Kelly W.
Thanks, Susan: I tried fftogo.com and it does the trick, buy it is a pity that it has not added the improvements in friendfeed's appearance (e.g. fftogo still displays service icons -twitter, facebook- beside each entry instead of people's pictures)
- Pablo Melchor
All of them offer less functionality than the website, which is perfect. Therefore, all of them suck.
- Zio Bonino
I hope a good client is developed for Palm Pre soon (which, on WebOS should reach full website functionality). fftogo works, but I prefer the full web interface.
- jcunwired
The website is far from perfect. Posting picture is less than ideal.
- Kelly W.
BuddyFeed is my favorite one out of that batch. However, it crashes way too much
- Susan Beebe
With respect, the API has several big missing pieces, for example DM, IM, and Email. That's why those features aren't in these apps.
- David J. Hinson