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- Austin Brown
I'm agree...Hahlo is better. Sometimes these apps make more sense as Web apps.
- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
I also agree, Hahlo is a great app. It's nice that we have a few options, with probably even more to come.
- Scott Beale
Definitely more to come - Twinkle should be out soon, Mobile Twitter also now planning to get into App Store - both very popular jailbreak Twitter clients ...
- Patrick Jordan
I can't make up my mind between Hahlo and Twitterific. Both have their good points. I should give Twittelator a go also.
- John Collis
Nothing is as good as Twinkle was for jailbroken phones.
- Austin Brown
If Safari was better about remembering logins/cookies across sessions it would be closer. As it is Twitterific as a native app wins hands down.
- John Samuelson
Honestly, I don't get the hype with Twitterific. I think the UI for both the desktop and iPhone versions is absolutely painful. Does it get a pass because it looks pretty?
- Jamie
i hope that twinkle has a faster start up time than twitterrific
- h1ro
the one thing Twitter has it is that it was first before FF in that space. And that brings name recognition to the "masses" and a large inertia that you have to overcome before you can become a true replacement, no matter what technical advantages you bring to the table. I have 5 times more followers in Twitter than FF, and sadly a mass migration doesn't seem to be happening for these folks.
- Daniel Robitaille
Your post to a given site takes on more life when it hits the pages of friendfeed. It's almost like you weigh where you want to "release" a post first knowing that it will get "picked up" by friendfeed.
- todddoubleu
I do not think Twitter will survive as CMS systems that run into message bus systems are the hardest to scale on ruby on rails nd they do not have the money to fight two fronts ruby on rails scalability and new features to stave off competition.
- Fred Grott
good link, allen. some additional default choices would be fantastic. read: better discovery mechanisms. having only members of the echo chamber as default choices makes for a duller feed. no offense to present company. ;)
- Brooks Bayne
I think all this FF > Twitter discourse is seriously, seriously underestimating the power of Twitter's unparalleled portability. It's 100% usable through SMS and has an iPod-esque ecosystem of third party tools and add-ons that hook into it. These things brought Twitter to its throne, and now you guys aren't even factoring them into the equation because of a little downtime.
- David Chartier
i'll post some thoughts on my blog, but one thing that is still annoying is represented in this post... where your friendfeed shows all aggregated iterations of this post here on ff and it just feels silly as i can choose which iteration to leave a comment on. that's an issue. maybe you should turn comments off on the other instances. except that you cannot because its not a feature. also, check out http://friendfeed.com/frendfe... to see some aggregation bugs.
- sull
Jason, that's a brilliant "There Will Be Blood" reference. And so true. I'm afraid that Twitter is just a couple of weeks from being bludgeoned with a bowling pin by FF.
- Frank Roche
I think the removal of a character limit would hurt twitter more than help it. Twitter was never meant as a conversation platform. I think keeping it small and simple makes it much easier for people to use. One of it's biggest strengths is that it's a short form messaging service, and to take that away would make it something that isn't twitter.
- Austin Brown
Jason, I fully agree with what you say here.
- Steve Rubel
I love the fact that there is no premium linked with the number of connections you have. In twitter the greater the number of connections, the higher you appear in the "following" list of your follower. That has become a reason of spam, lowering the quality of the twitter network. Plus, FF works.
- Marcello Del Bono
I can see how Twitter is useful for people who post via SMS, but while Im at the computer FF is far more useful and also more fun to use
- Jeff Hoard
from twhirl
I could offer my agreement here on your entry's content, but I'd rather tell you how much I dug the entry's title.
- Donna Mugavero
I'll put it this way, i never used twitter because I'm not part of the technorati community, but I do use Friendfeed because it allows me to bring together all my online content and then share it with the people I want. That alone is enough for FF to beat out Twitter for me.
- Alfredo Padilla
I think one of the things we have missed carries forward or plays forward a Robert Scoble post, see : http://scobleizer.com/2008... ..let me put it in non tech terms as it pertains to start-ups. FOUNDERS MUST PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT FROM AROUND THEIR PRODUCTS! When I state founders I mean also the ones building the product.
- Fred Grott
What it comes down to me is *noise*. FriendFeed is just noisy, what with content from all my social media friends all being dumped into one stream with no organization whatsoever. I look at my FF friends page and I can't make any rhyme or reason to what I'm seeing, even with little favicons to identify which service I'm reading from. Twitter, is clean and organized.
- Stephen Lopez
School of ALL CAPS is a little loud... ;-)
- Mitchell Tsai
I think Center Networks (Allen) has an interesting analysis. I'll be curious to see if the high profile FF users are as interested in commenting on other people's feeds as having their own words commented upon. Twitter just seems like a more democratic forum to me. Personally, I don't care if it is down a couple hours a week. FF only supplements it, it is not an adequate replacement. And I like to write more than 140 characters! Still Twitter is my first choice.
- Liz
PS... Because I use the Flock browser, I get all my social media updates right from the Media Bar and People Sidebar, without ever having to open Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, Pownce, Digg, etc... Everything I want is right there at the click of an icon. Flock > FF.
- Stephen Lopez
I wouldn't underestimate twitter's connection through sms. It makes it the first legit mobile social network, and that is significant for mass adoption and use. Most people don't have internet on their phone to use a web app (iPhone Facebook, Tumblr, etc.) or internet (twitpic, friendfeed, etc.) to send email to update or submit to services. But they are very likely to have sms service, and are used to using it.
- Tony
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
- Tyler Gillies
I agree to what you say but besides Twitter reliability, its major flaw is really the reply (or conversation) system which is close to be useless. I guess FriendFeed gained a lot of people (at least myself) because of its efficient conversation system.
- fbrunel
Jason, I agree with you a lot of the time but not in this case. I think it would be suicide for Twitter to get into a features arms race with FriendFeed. They would lose that battle. Twitter needs to focus on keeping it simple, getting stable, and becoming a short messaging infrastructure - not a destination.
- Mike Doeff
Mike, I think you're right on. Twitter would do better to solidify its differentiation.
- Clay Newton
Agreed. I have flip flopped a couple of times on which service I prefer, but FriendFeed is clearly in the lead. If they launch a great iPhone app next Friday it could be thing that pushes them over the hump.
- Scott Watermasysk
FF's iPhone web app is fun and all, but a native app could offer a lot more functionality without having to wait for page loads and other clunkiness. I'm hoping for a native app too.
- David Chartier
Twitter has become a victim of the success it created for itself. As Twitter gained popularity it naturally creates a market for competition. Its poor performance allowed FF to grow. Many of Twitters power users have begun to migrate communication, and followers to FF wanted to see what it is all about. Twitter has lost its first movers advantage. I would not have been able to even make this post on Twitter. FF invites conversation and dialogue. Sorry Bezos, you may have made the wrong investment.
- Fred Neil
Agree. Twitter just isn't built for the type of robust sharing and conversations that make FF really interesting. Twitter is like shouting into a canyon, FF is like being at a noisy bar. Sorry, but too many Tweets are just status updates: You're going to Subway for lunch, whoopee! FF gets a lot better when you hide non-commented on Tweets. As for FF enhancements, I'd like a merge function so the same content from various people/feeds are collapsed into one master. That way I can see all comment streams.
- AJ Kohn
Keep in mind that twitter was not initially made for replies, the whole @ sign reply came from users wanting a way to reply and Twitter then started to support the method
- Ray Slakinski
from twhirl
Looks like Twitter has lost the first mover advantage, and now FF has the first mover advantage with its features. Though since Twitter was the first mover in the beginning it still has a bunch of people who are on it and not on other sites and also has a familiar interface and more third party applications that are compatible with it than Twitter does. Favorite thing so far about FF is the new Seesmic feature to reply to a seesmic post from within FF, really killer.
- Andrew Fielding
I'm still one of the few that want's Jaiku to get back in the game! Google is dropping the ball there!!!
- tomit
I've added friendfeed to my social web, but I'm not giving up on Twitter yet. Thank goodness for Flock and ping.fm
- Steve Burton
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo.
- Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution
- dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move.
- Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump...
- Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there?
- Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne
- Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am!
- sage brennan
from twhirl
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow?
- Oli from the-iBlog
from fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic.
- Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed.
- Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse
- Susan Beebe
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is?
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets
- NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way?
- Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :)
- BISQ
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far
- Michael Leis
from twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset.
- shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P
- Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter.
- Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now
- johnpiercy
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF.
- Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well!
- Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens.
- Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008...
- Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you
- Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF.
- Melissa Goetsch
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter.
- Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go.
- Robert Hafer
from twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo!
- Jenz
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ?
- Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if...
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- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\
- Brian Carter
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work.
- Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl).
- Boris Gordon
from twhirl
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there
- Loic Le Meur
I just wish FF had a way to dynamically collapse conversations for clear view of post titles. And then selectively expand the comments to see that conversation. It would be like a dynamic feed reader.
- Ernie Oporto
Ok, trying FF as well. Still like twitter and will be sad if I have to leave it
- Lide Winburn
Like Napoleon's army after the defeat in Moscow, straggling west, fleeing the hideous frozen hell, we are moving into the (for me, at least) unknown...
- Dave LaFontaine
It seems to me this is kind of a moot point. You draw those who follow you into your convesation and if someone makes a comment that continually intriques you all you have to do is simply subscribe to their ff. No need to wage a big dick contest with numbers of followers here. Its all about the conversation. Just an observation at this point.. I'm just now starting the migration from twitter to FF myself;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Just subscribed to you, feel free to follow back!
- KyleM
Hi Jason, thanks in advance for the follow.
- Larry Kless
Yes please - it is a challenge how to parallelize your twitter connections on FriendFeed. They really need a good import interface with automatic notifications via DM back to twitter followers.
- Jed White
Great stuff Jason, fan of your work. It would be great to have a Twitter/FriendFeed contact sync application. I'm sure you know some peeps to make that happen. =D
- Grahm Skee
Just discovered friendfeed. Pretty cool stuff.
- George Gray
I'll simply cite Rob Clark, who so eloquently put it: "I believe you're already subscribed to me, but now you can be double-secret-subscribed..." ;-)
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
"How the hell do you cut 70 minutes out of an action movie? Was the movie originally 3 hours long? This rumor doesn't make any sense to me."
- Austin Brown
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