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NaHi, Benjamin Golub and Paul Rawlings liked this
sweet - you can post a boo from where you are located (when the iphone app comes out).
- Paul Kinlan
our friendboo new iphone app is gonna be awesome :)
- Paul Rawlings
erier2003 Posted a FriendBoo: Tue Jul 21 21:03:40 2009
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Wow, that was unbelievably fast. Hooray for things just working!
- Eric Geller
thats ace Eric. any thoughts for friendboo let us know
- Paul Rawlings
Paul: It's a really slick service, and I like that it says my FF username when it greets me. No complaints at all! One question, though: it asked me to press a button to end the recording. Would it have uploaded what I'd said so far if I just hung up?
- Eric Geller
You have to press a button or wait a couple of seconds for it to end and confirm that it has "Posted"
- Paul Kinlan
If it doesn't say "Posting" it shouldn't post.
- Paul Kinlan
My first friendboo message
Kol Tregaskes, MVB (Grinch of FF), Nimaa and 4 other people liked this
interesting service friendboo anyone else tried it out yet?
- (jeff)isageek
let us know what you think of friendboo
- Paul Rawlings
I think it would be kool if there was a way to give your messages a title of your choice
- (jeff)isageek
either one you could change each message or on you could use as the default title
- (jeff)isageek
So would you like to be able to configure what title is presented?
- Paul Kinlan
yeah that would be awesome!
- (jeff)isageek
you sound much less geeky than your name implies :)
- Nathan Chase
Maybe it's just me, but at max volume (both in my computer and in the post), I can barely hear a voice.
- Rochelle
tried it earlier and it didn't work.
- Bill Kinney
bgolubapi Posted a FriendBoo: Tue Jul 21 00:26:33 2009
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Seriously great job. Congrats!
- Benjamin Golub
cheers. glad you like it
- Paul Rawlings
FriendBoo! by the way is another great example for innovative services running on Voxeo's core infrastructure. http://thenextweb.com/2009...
the voxeo infrastructure is awesome.
- Paul Rawlings
i will drop Dan an IM tomorrow. think they are pretty tied up at as OSCON at moment
- Paul Rawlings
My first FriendBoo recording to FriendFeed; it was quick, easy and sounds good! pjsacchetta Posted a FriendBoo: Mon Jul 20 22:56:03 2009
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ace boo
- Paul Rawlings
ace boo?
- Pasquale J. Sacchetta
klandwehr Posted a FriendBoo: Mon Jul 20 22:55:36 2009
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friendboo posts your boo both onto FriendFeed and potentially twitter if you have it set
- Paul Rawlings
alisongow Posted a FriendBoo: Mon Jul 20 20:18:53 2009
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nice boo alison :)
- Paul Rawlings
Cheers Paul! Am podcasting for Britain tonight...
- alison gow
super cool..... we are trying to make friendfeed a place for new content and not skimmed from other sites. glad it worked better this time :)
- Paul Kinlan
tommyl Posted a FriendBoo: Mon Jul 20 19:05:32 2009
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hey tom, glad you like the service
- Paul Rawlings
Thanks Paul.
- Tom Landini
thanks for giving it a go - got some more improvements planned after the first phase :)
- Paul Kinlan
Hey Paul (or Paul), do I need to enter the PIN each time I call?
- Tom Landini
yeah, remember the pin you were issued then use that.
- Paul Rawlings
after the first call, will lock to the phone you use
- Paul Rawlings
your account is locked to the pin and phone - it is pretty easy to spoof phone numbers so this is an extra level of security.
- Paul Kinlan
hey that's good to know! :)
- John Blanton
johnbfrommemphis Posted a FriendBoo: Mon Jul 20 19:01:32 2009
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nice boo john
- Paul Rawlings
ugh it cut off the last few seconds oh well that was the 2nd try the 1st go I heard a 500 error .. aren't we used to reading those? lol
- John Blanton
Cool - I will look into why it had a 500 error, it shouldn't have done that
- Paul Kinlan
just uploaded a fix - it was a bug in some logging code
- Paul Kinlan
@Paul thanks .. I'm not worrying about it too much really ..you guys at FriendBoo will eventually get all the kinks worked out :)
- John Blanton
will try and sort out the reason why it cut off
- Paul Kinlan
We are looking for some testers of http://www.friendboo.com/ FriendBoo is a micro-podcasting tool build for FriendFeed - we have a UK and US inbound number and we are really keen to get people testing it in the real world so that we can make the UX super smooth.
Susan Beebe, M F, Andy Dingle and Paul Rawlings liked this
Can I try it Paul? I'm always keen to try new ways of audio-breaking news via social networks and this sounds cool :)
- alison gow
Sure thing, just visit http://www.friendboo.com click Login and it should tell you how to work after that - if it doesn't then it is a bug and I will try and fix it asap :)
- Paul Kinlan
It will auto post to our friendfeed group as well. http://friendfeed.com/friendb...
- Paul Kinlan
I'll definitely give this a try again later :)
- CannonGod
Jake: Cool, we would love the feedback
- Paul Rawlings
Paul, I'd definitely like to give it a spin. Off to check out the site...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I would be glad to help as well. Enjoy me a good beta testing.
- Cody Heitschmidt
FFing: cool just log in and follow the instructions - if any of it doesn't work give me a shout.
- Paul Kinlan
Cody: excellent, if you login and spot any problems I am all ears :) spotted some issues already.
- Paul Kinlan
Just one thing, if Caller ID is withheld we can't hook it up to your account so you won't be able to use it.
- Paul Kinlan
Paul, seemed to work seamlessly for me. Few "noob" notes. 1. I am an idiot and tried to dial the zeros before the country code, I know I am an idiot but why put the zeros there. 2. It would be great if the robot english lady just told me to hung up once I am done, other than that seems sweet.
- Cody Heitschmidt
Cody: thanks, To be honest, I didn't know if the number should use 00 or not. So should the number be 14153764128?
- Paul Kinlan
thats what worked for me!! (no zeros worked for me!) (zeros didnt!)
- Cody Heitschmidt
Cool just updating the page now :) - thanks
- Paul Kinlan
from email
FriendBoo: Thu Jul 16 23:00:27 2009
sirishkumar and Kol Tregaskes liked this
Awesome
- Paul Kinlan
Audio on friendfeed works
- Paul Rawlings
Wow cool, a quick audio blogging solution for FriendFeed that doesn't need me emailing sound files around the web :) I shall have to give this a try!
- CannonGod
Poll: Are you currently subscribed to TechCrunch (via RSS)?
Jeff P. Henderson liked this
Yes.
- Louis Gray
no
- mjc
yep
- vijay
No.
- AJ Kohn
Yes.
- 321
no way
- Joel Bennett
I am, but not reading it.
- Peter Kruit
Yes
- Paul Rawlings
Nope. Mashable, yes.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
No.
- James Ferguson
no
- Don Strickland
Yes I am and it's on the top right corner of the first tab in my reader
- Paola Bonomo
No, never have been, never will be.
- Rachel Lea Fox
never was, never will
- William Harryman
Yes, but every day I reconsider it.
- Jeff P. Henderson
No, although I sometimes visit, or have a look at posts there if someone submits them to FriendFeed.
- Tyson Key
I'm subscribed to their twitter feed, does that count?
- Roy Herrod
@kcorrick thank you for the mention! I wasn't expecting that! So many great females who do great things out in the world.
and you are one of them
- Paul Rawlings
Yes, we're doing a Tweetup in London tomorrow @JamesProud asked. RSVP here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event...
ewing2001akaNicomedy2010, Kol Tregaskes, Mike Hellers and Zachary TG liked this
All the best events seem to be London Based. Maybe its time all us notherners moved south.
- Paul Rawlings
And put up house prices even more, Paul? :)
- Ian Betteridge
kewl, maybe u can maybe premiere my new video at nicomedy calls MTA/"Lockheed" [failed BB Forum noRAM 4th of July Mixx] http://www.youtube.com/user... nicomedy2010
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
The purpose of @secretscoble @k4shif is so I can study how having a private Twitter account changes the experience of using Twitter.
Marko Saric, Ho John Lee, Patrizia Filippetti and 3 other people liked this
Intimate conversations are way better..! :)
- Melissa Gonzales
What are the thoughts so far? Would be interesting to understand. I always feel that Twitter is really cool as a comms tool aslong as you use it that way. Its down to the individual.
- Paul Rawlings
Very interesting. Cant wait to hear about your findings!
- Sean Simkins
Sean: so far the signal to noise ratio is much like my lists on FriendFeed. I like FriendFeed better, but there are quite a few people who aren't yet on FriendFeed. The thing is, though, most people aren't on Twitter, either. They don't watch their accounts very closely and/or they don't act on them if they do.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand why you invited people like Ijustine though? Go look at her friendfeed account, a typical day would be a dozen or so bikini pictures, a video about Apple and a bunch of tweets on some new shoes she is buying?
- Mark
@Mark, yeah exactly, that's why I stopped following her myself
- Stuart Evans
Another interesting experiment would be to allow anyone in who wanted to but to screen people before hand to make sure they weren't spammer, etc. You could create an account of tech-savy people that you could draw news from and do experiments with. Like a twitter that actually knew what they were talking about.
- Sweyn Venderbush
Mark: because I've met iJustine. She's part of my experiment.
- Robert Scoble
I trust you will be documenting this experiment? Or is it all just going to be in your head? What's your hypothesis? :-)
- Mark
How will you control for extraneous variables ;)
- Mark
How did you ensure your sample was representative and could be generalised to the general population of twitter? Haha, the science-nerd part of me is coming out now.
- Mark
@pspell because by talking about @secretscoble the people I wanted to have in there see it's really me and will accept my invites. :-)
Tyson Key, Jason Huebel and Zachary TG liked this
You could always verify your account using your voice http://www.voiceboo.com then they would know its you. Was a system we did to show off vooices as it seems to be more of a problem lately of people creating fake accounts. V annoying.
- Paul Rawlings
What if you made it a Twitter verified account?
- Zachary TG
Zachary: I don't know how to make that happen and, anyway, people haven't yet gotten used to that.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, but for future reference if you decide to later, just go to http://twitter.com/help... for information on it. They may let you get one, for you are an important person.
- Zachary TG
Whats the process to get Twitter to verify an account? Do they actively contact people?
- Paul Rawlings
Just visit http://twitter.com/help... to get it verified.
- Zachary TG
Just arrived in London. Sitting next to Nasa's Chief Life Scientist just totally made my trip. Great American. Happy Fourth of July! More:
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Then we shared a taxi with Sarah Lacy. She's very cool too and has amazing stories for her new book on global entrepreneurship (won't be out for a year or more).
- Robert Scoble
She just got back from Riwanda and has amazing stories of how that country is bootstrapping itself at an amazing speed.
- Robert Scoble
Enjoy the Big Ben! Always a great place to be in :)
- SurajLuke
But sitting next to Tore Straume (NASA's chief life scientist) meant I had an amazing conversation for hours.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, have a blast and Happy Fourth!!!! Glad your trip was made so soon into it!!!
- Myrna
cool, same to you and enjoy ur time :-)
- Alex M.
Some people you meet and you realize they are just smart. He's worked at some interesting jobs at Lawrence Livermore labs where he studied radiation effects. His expertise is needed if we want to go to Mars.
- Robert Scoble
The sensors and warning systems he and the teams he's working with are building will let humans work in space safely.
- Robert Scoble
happy july 4th. Have a great time in London. Bet the data from those systems would be well cool to analyse and process.
- Paul Rawlings
Myrna: yeah, I hope I get to interview him someday. His philosophy on why humans explore is interesting. But if you want to know something about radiation he's the guy I'd ask.
- Robert Scoble
It's weird being in England on the Fourth of July. There's a gay pride parade in town too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, just my focus, radiation-you find out for me-too many bad memories :(
- Myrna
yeah would be cool to get his views on exploration. Radiation isnt my bag but realtime systems, mmmm, does it for me every time :)
- Paul Rawlings
How's the weather?
- Myrna
robert your in london thats awesome where abouts?
- AV
Paul: turns out that if you are getting bombarded with radiation due to an increase in sun activity knowing that in real time is mighty important!
- Robert Scoble
Oh yeah, the sun on our skin! Bad!
- Myrna
Aleem: we are in the Malmaison hotel. http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
The passion of people at NASA can't be overstated. I spent three months at the Goddard Space Flight Center, and it shattered a lot of my preconceived notions about NASA. Image of pristine labs, computers, and guys in white coats? Nope. No money, everything old and run down, (we had to bargain for a 5 year old computer) but everyone super scrappy and *amazingly* passionate. There's a fire in everyone's eyes. Was really an amazing exp.
- mikepk
Myrna: his new sensor will both sense radiation that's bad for your skin as well as the kind that kills your bone marrow. Nasty stuff out in space.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah the topic wouldnt interest me that much but the data and having the ability to process it in a timely manor, now thats cool
- Paul Rawlings
It's great to have you back in our fair city Robert, it was such a good meetup last time around and Happy Independence Day! Enjoy your time here
- Anne McCrossan
Paul: the thing is about meeting smart people is that even if you aren't into the topic very much they make it interesting just because of their mastery of the subject. I might not be into basketball, but if I sat next to Shaq I'm sure he'd make it interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah recon it would be well cool to talk to someone as smart as that. The experiences must have been amazing that he went thru.
- Paul Rawlings
How do you test something like that? You got to interview him.
- Paul Rawlings
I love that on Google you can ask it what time it is in some part of the world (like London) and it answers. More here:
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Here's the result for "what time is it in London?" http://www.google.com/search... What other questions can you ask Google and it will answer?
- Robert Scoble
What time is it? - http://www.google.com/search...
- Matt Ruiz
Bing also supports that these days; http://www.bing.com/search...
- Menno te Koppele
Menno: I know, I checked, but I like the formatting Google does much better.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to my home town Robert!
- Jim Connolly
Maths questions :)
- Simon Wicks
from iPhone
I usually use it for conversion between US measurements and metric/grams and all that. Also good for temp celsius to fahrenheit. My wife brought a couple of American Cookbooks over so I need to translate sometimes.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
What is 10 kgs in Lbs? http://www.google.ca/search...
- Kamath (नमः)
Oh yeah simple calculation questions are good also
- Rasmus Lauridsen
and other such conversions...
- Kamath (नमः)
Thats pretty cool, I always knew you could ask Google math questions
- David Hintze
I like the currency and other conversion ( http://www.google.com/search... )
- Mihai Secasiu
How many tablespoons in one cup? (16 in case your wondering). Great for halving recipes (or doubling them).
- Joe Luft
Mathematics, like: how much is 2+2? http://www.google.co.il/search...
- Nir Ben Yona
and of course the big question: http://www.google.com/search...
- Mihai Secasiu
Conversions
- Paul Rawlings
from iPhone
Yes Nir... I'm a bit simple .-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Robert: I agree with you on formatting, but hey at least Bing has it these days. That's a step in the right direction
- Menno te Koppele
You can ask it the answer to life, the universe, and everything: http://www.google.com/search...
- Jesse Stay
42! Look, I beat Google!
- Jim Connolly
You can ask about the date of birth, like: how old is Michael Jordan? http://www.google.co.il/search...
- Nir Ben Yona
I constantly use google for math and conversions
- Neil Bernhart
Height of people, http://www.google.com/#hl=en... and Adriana Lima's bust size http://www.google.com/#hl=en...
- Burcu Dogan
Seems not to work for smaller towns (e.g. Fort Totten, ND) - bing doesn't either, but wolframalpha answers.
- Matthew McCowan
Bruce :-) Google not first mistake its just 84cm http://www.jurgita.com/models-... have a great wknd
- Johni Fisher
Robert, Bing does this as well. http://cliq.cc/IqIdk
- Darren
Have used this feature many times and Google has never let me down.
- ashish
exchange rates? "how much is 1 eur in usd"
- aurelian
No need to be so verbose. "time in london" and "10 usd in sek" suffices.
- Oskar Lissheim-Boethius
They still can't answer "Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?" alas
- Justin DeMerchant
Tomorrow I will once again be meeting with Hi-Tech startups in Tel Aviv. I have one open spot if there is someone who wants 2 meet. Pitch me
We would have loved to have shown you vooices (http://www.vooices.us). Shame you are not in the UK at any point
- Paul Rawlings
@Zee It's funny talking about an "old" iPhone already... :-)
yeah its just so not fair.
- Paul Rawlings
Mike Arrington is leading the mob. Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here and tell us whether he is wrong or right. Oh, and welcome to the mob:
Mitchell Tsai, Tyson Key, andy brudtkuhl and 131 other people liked this
He'll be back...he's just going to milk this for all it's worth first.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Do not feed the trolls.
- monkeystick
I think he is looking for page views and a way to get the mob to come to his real time event on July 10th. Brilliantly played Mr. Arrington!
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it will bring some more people to FF who haven't been on it which is a good thing.
- Mike Bracco
"FriendFeed today is like Syphilis in 1495." -Arrington. I'd say that's taking this a bit too far.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I understand objectively there's strengths and weaknesses, but I also find that this discussion is teetering of the verge of irrelevance. Can you make it clear to me (in seriousness) the value from this friendfeed versus anti friendfeed arguement? Are we looking forward to the next tool? Or to making improvements to friendfeed?
- Malcolm Bastien
Mike: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Wow. Maybe I should go burn the TC shirt that LG and I liberated from TC headquarters a few months back in protest. Reminds me of his other recent rant about Facebook (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...). Mike definitely doesn't hold back in how he expresses his opinion through his blog posts. Regardless of whether he's...
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- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Do you think it was specifically an anti-Friendfeed rant, Robert? Some of the comments that poured in after the "Laporte Incident" were pretty horrible. If I was on the receiving end of that, I'd think I'd be feeling like a mob was after my head. Also, don't you think that his point about people feeling more comfortable to "talk hate" using their own/real names is a good one?
- Andrew Terry
Wow that's kinda harsh, I wonder what brought that on...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I don't understand why Mike is wasting time and effort on those death threat comments from the idiots that posted them. Why is he giving them any real credit? They should be dismissed. They should be ignored. They're the grown up versions of youtube commenters.
- Lise
The thread with Aaron last week demonstrates that the FF community is reasonable and self-correcting. FF also provides fine grained controls so that you DON'T see what you don't want. Mobs are simply human nature. Dissapointingly so. Mike may as well call for the abolition of Town Halls, Community Clubs and the like.
- Roberto Bonini
As long as Mob leaders like Laporte keep it together no trolls get hurt.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Arrington should go crawl back into his cave
- Daniel Lazarides
I have a feeling Arrington is developing a relationship with FF analogous to Dvorak's with Apple. ie. piss off the faithful (get traffic), blog about the nasty community members attacking you (more traffic), eventually reverse yourself and please the community (more traffic again). Lather-rinse-repeat.
- Michael R. Bernstein
If Mike doesn't like mobs he should open a private room here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
that was some badly strained argumentation by Arrington - FAIL
- William Harryman
I feel the same way about this argument that I do about people who complain about television. Stop whining. If you don't like what's on, change the channel or turn the TV off. FF, like any online community, is based on elective participation. If you don't like what's happening, move on to something else. Also, people take what's written in these forums WAY too seriously. If you can't take the occasional insult, get off the web and go find something else to do with your time.
- Kevin Pedraja
And last i checked, Leo is NOT a mob leader. Or a Troll leader.
- Roberto Bonini
Andrew: mobs have always formed online. FriendFeed does allow them to form faster but Arrington should go read Digg and YouTube comments for a while. The stuff I have seen here is pretty easy going compared to those.
- Robert Scoble
Go to a forum with lots of members and ask a noobish question and watch the mob flame you into the middle of next week.
- Mark
Michael: bing! Arrington is the best at whiping up crowds. Anyone remember when he called France lazy?
- Robert Scoble
"We're going back to reruns. F**k you guys I'm throwing you all off. Mike Arrington is the most trollish person ever." - Leo Laporte
- Danny Minick
Andrew: I think everyone here generally agrees with Mike that those types of comments are out of line. Can't blame Mike for feeling touchy about them.
- Roberto Bonini
Danny that's the irony in all this. Arrington is the King of The Trolls! Leo called him the biggest troll "in the world" a few times.
- Mark
I used to read techcrunch and even comment once in a while. Mike Arrington has been consistently losing credibility with me these past few months, and now has forfeited the last bit. I was going to comment over there, but it really has ceased to be worth my time. I'm even sorry I clicked over to his article. Interesting that I wouldn't even have known for it if not for this post on...which service is this again, oh yes, ...friendfeed.
- Jim Is Not Smart
It seems to me that Mike wants the attention or he wouldn't have post this. He just doesn't like it if it doesn't go his way. He sort of like the guy who finds a bees nest and pokes a stick in it. They finally calm down and they poke it again and are surprised by the results
- Kim Landwehr
Jim: welcome to MobFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm in my Godfather.
- Thomas Chai
He's got some points, and I give him credit for a heck-of-a 'creative' post, but this is fairly typical human behavior stuff. I think it's funny that the he says, "the system is breaking under it’s own weight. It is not sustainable." because he got flamed out by some people with the chutzpa (or stupidity) to do it from an account that identified them personally.
- Chris Duffy
Kim: Arrington is smarter than that. He knows there are a lot of people here and he is about to monetize the real time web with a conference.
- Robert Scoble
Whats this conference you are refering to Rob ? x
- Mark
Yep a online service that accounts for a small percentage of internet users will destroy everything Arrington holds dear. Syphilis?
- Andy Foster
Kim: this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London.
- Robert Scoble
[sigh] i guess Arrington just can't stop himself.
- MikeAmundsen
"I’m going to pick on" - words say it all
- Paul Rawlings
Anyone have a link to this real time conference he is doing?
- Mark
Speaking of realtime, why hasn't Arrington or O'Reilly grabbed the title "Realtime Web" for a series of conferences ala Web 2.0?--maybe you should first Robert!
- Michael Metz
I guess it's working
- Ken Morley
Mike: Arrington is taking advantage of the fact that WE can't stop ourselves.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, Robert.
- Ken Morley
Well, that explains a lot Robert
- Kim Landwehr
What was that link again? Lol!
- Ken Morley
is buddyfeed realtime?
- Tyler Gillies
from BuddyFeed
so he's not calling for technical solution to a (potential) behavior problem...he's just stirring the pot and setting the table for conference...No, we can't stop ourselves can we. Effective troll is effective
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is @replying you on twitter robby
- Mark
a) learn to use Block b) like twitter is sooo much better :/ c) waste of a read.. I thought Techcrunch did actual stories on stuff, not rants. Guess I was wrong.
- Tim Hoeck
here is the link http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti...
- Johni Fisher
Well, the worst thing we as the FF community could do is prove him right by "attacking" back and name-calling for what he's said. Fanning the flames justifies his opinion. Hey, if it makes people wonder what going on with this "FriendFeed" thing and they come check it and realize it's not at all like what he was saying...all the better. So, let him have his opinion and spotlight.
- CAJ, somewhere else
@Robert: IMO, Arrington is doing the same thing he always does: setting himself up for some abuse from others. it's so sad to watch. in this case, he'll likely get what we is asking for, too. *again*
- MikeAmundsen
Probably should have said fein surprise
- Kim Landwehr
thx Johni,
- Mark
IMO, He's wrong. And, as mentioned, tossing gasoline on the fire by pretending to be outraged by such supposed mobs while deliberately inciting them.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
@arrington just wrote that I should propose tools to slow down the mob. Yes, we have those in Iran and China. I would rather have the mob.
- Robert Scoble
I think Arrington just wants to destroy a medium that he can't control.
- Nathan Cooprider
I really thing that this was more about online mobs with FriendFeed as an example rather than specifically about FriendFeed. Yes he uses FriendFeed as the example, but I don't think the points he makes are related solely to FriendFeed. You could easily replace FriendFeed with Digg or Huffingtonpost. Some place where people gather in mass and you can easily see a mob mentality grow.
- Michael Koby
Robert!!!!!!! :)
- Myrna
Of course he is right. When the wrong people come together than everything can happen. Same is true if good people. Even a revolution (specially Wednesday). People on FF and similar services have lots of power. Can be used to change the world!
- bishoph
seeing the link to that conference that he's hosting next week and seeing this post give me a new level of respect for his craftiness, although he couldn't have done it w/o you Robert.
- Chris Duffy
Yes Chris, he is a sly old dog isn't he? Tickets might be going too slow or something
- Mark
I think so.
- Chris Duffy
The association with Syphilis is kind of weird. I think any public figure gets hate mail, electronically or otherwise.
- Ace
@Michael Koby, I'd agree with you (to a certain extent), if the article wasn't...specifically about FriendFeed. And about an event that occurred to Arrington personally, no less. I'd have a lot more respect for his argument if he'd spend the time to find more examples. This just looks like someone who's had a flamewar turn on him that's fighting back with his own bullhorn.
- Ken Kennedy
Bishoph: or a mob can break glass and burn buildings and hurt people. What do you want to use your mob for?
- Robert Scoble
He probably just read a book on syphilis. When I read a book on something I like to make links to the topic to make me appear well-read and smart.
- Mark
He (as usual) has some valid points. FF is a great conversation tool but when it becomes a chat room, it's not up to the task. Just as in public, I tend to avoid these mobs here on FF. 58 comments on this right now is fine but 1000 is useless. I know you don't agree, but IRC is much more useful for that.
- John Rubier
It would help if Mike actually understood how he could shape his FriendFeed experience. There are such things as blocking and hiding. It also seems like those who can dish it out but not take it run screaming from FriendFeed - which invites *real* interaction and conversation. Yeah, it's sometimes unruly, but that's reality folks! If you want the *dated* version of arm's length, yell...
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- AJ Kohn
I can't make it to Arrington's event on July 10th (I live in Boston..and the event is in SF), but I hope it gets a lot of coverage online so that the rest of us can learn from what is shared :)
- Sam Houston
Look what services like Twitter and FF did for Iran. Just a medium to share and discuss (real time) information. Of course the used words in the blog are misleading and obviously rant (a troll post to start a discussion in real time :-).
- bishoph
(Robert Scoble) -- "this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London. " -- next time, put this at the beginning of your post, Robert. I'm NOT interested in being a part of this childish crap. If you have actually have a problem with the post, you shouldn't either. If this thread is to help TC drum up word-of-mouth about a conference, that's...
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- Ken Kennedy
Could argue that MobFeed was more useful because it had private rooms and things.
- Mark
@AJ: Arrington knows how to use FF. this thread is evidence of that. his willingness to pimp himself out - to invite this kind of negative talk - just to promote his own interests is what is so disappointing.
- MikeAmundsen
Lazily, i'll c&p my post from TC..Yeah, this is Arrington taking a personal incident and trying REALLY hard to universalize it. And the syphilis analogy only makes this look needier and less applicable. FriendFeed aggregates conversations and connects sub-streams of the cloud more efficiently than any other current service. Once you try it, you like it. I works. It's efficient. The...
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- Thom Kennon
@Mike: Perhaps he understands that he can drum up talk, but I don't think he's been here enough to actually understand it's true power. So, yes, Arrington essentially is a FriendFeed spammer or Social Media Lout.
- AJ Kohn
Ken: it isn't my strategy and I am not profiting from it.
- Robert Scoble
"Mobs" have collapsed police states, authoritarian regimes, and given rise to countries like are's that even allow us to have this conversation today. To suppress them is like revoking the right to assemble and petition, removing the peoples voice, and is not a sign of a free and open society. Turn on the news and remember 99% of the world haven't a clue who Mike Arrington is.
- Shaun Hess
@Robert: do you think Arrington is using you to promote is own agenda?
- MikeAmundsen
Mr. Arrington is just too young. This online behavior will not subside soon. AOL Chatrooms, Usenet discussions, Compuserve bulletin boards, listserv flame wars.... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 15 years of Law and Order and broadcasting reruns on other Channels. For a Technology News guy it's pretty pathetic. What's the news? Where is the new idea?
- Birgit Pauli-Haack
Mike: he is using our mob behaviors, yes. Do I feel used? No more so than when Aaron and Steven did the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: yep.
- MikeAmundsen
I think there are many factors working here: 1)rapidly changing community norms 2) expansion of these services from small homogeneous groups who create them 3)poor communications skills 4)poor social skills 5) a lack of inhibition due to the virtual environment.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
If there was ever any doubt that Arrington seeds the controversies that surround him, let this post put that doubt to rest. His goal is to incite passions because he knows that anger drives engagement more than agreement does. He's merely the Ann Coulter of the nerd world -- nothing more, nothing less.
- Sprague D
Mike knows that we cannot help ourselves, we simply must talk about his post and send him lots of hits and maybe sell a ticket or two for him.
- Mark
@Sprague: "He's merely the Anne Coulter of the nerd world..." LOL +1
- MikeAmundsen
Well put Francine!
- Bluejeanslady
from twhirl
Most of what Arrington does stings of a boy trying to look like a big boy in an adult world. Maybe when he grows up he'll be better. I think the Blue's Traveler song Hook was about him.
- Matthew DeVries
I'll probably get beat up over this but this is a huge case of the Tech Crunch pot calling the Friendfeed kettle black. I've notice that Arrington and the normal Tech Crunch crowd are really hard on people. More than once someone will ask a question that most people know the answer too and its like blood in the water. Posters come out and blast them and take delight in it. I thought that TechCrunch was trying to be a community?
- Matt Martin
Is he the Anne Coulter of tech or the Perez Hilton of tech? I'd say the later, because like Perez, he doesn't make a dime unless someone else gets hurt, he has a hissy when the camera looks back at him, he over-reacts to perceived "danger" against him.
- Matthew DeVries
@Robert: your response is far too similar to what you used AGAINST Tim O'Reilly and other members of the SUL, IMO. If you know/suspect that Arrington is using this to promote a conference that you're going to attend; a conference focused on a technology realm that you make your living off of...then of course this helps you, just like being on the SUL helps Tim O'Reilly, even if he's "not changing what he says based on it". You didn't find that answer from Tim satifying, and I feel the same way about yours.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: Didn't you say above that, "this is about his conference. and *I will be part of it from London*" but later that "this isn't by strategy or for profit" I feel kinda duped, man. I think everyone else does/knows too, but like lemmings we'll continue to play. This is my take: http://twitter.com/Spincha...
- Chris Duffy
It is difficult to take Michael Arrington seriously as a tech analyst -- he's inflated his self-created brouhaha into a mentally disorganized blast at Friendfeed. A very emotional guy. Friendfeed is a self-organizing platform. One shouldn't complain about getting mired down in nasty exchanges that are easily avoided with unsubscriptions and blocks. Arrington's mess was self-inflicted.
- Sean McBride
Chris: I am an unpaid speaker at the TechCrunch Real Time event.
- Robert Scoble
How are Mike's passive aggressive "op-ed" blogs on TechCrunch also not a form of e-mobs? In other news: welcome to the mob *grin*
- Rene Wirtz
Tim O'Reilly doesn't pay to be on the SUL, Robert.
- Ken Kennedy
::glances and moves along::
- Geoff Schultz
And Arrington seems to read a book, declare himself an expert, and then fire off a blog post about how his "enemy" du jour is like the thing in that book. Next week we're going to hear about how Friendfeed is like the cancer killing his mentor that he visits on Tuesdays.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: WTF?
- Robert Scoble
As a matter of fact, I think Twitter is much more suited to mob creation than FriendFeed.
- Miguel Caetano
I work on my mob behavior. I engage, but try to be civil, helpful, or educational:-) this is a learned behavior after I got my butt handed to me a few times.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Yes Matthew, alot of people (myself included) read a book on something and feel we must reference it to make us appear smart. I did the same thing with a book on the black death. its all nonsense of course
- Mark
@Sean: from my POV, not only was Arrington's mess self-inflicted, it was a purposeful act on his part. as is this one.
- MikeAmundsen
Miguel: yeah, over on Twitter I saw hundreds of people saying Jeff Goldbloom was dead when he wasn't.
- Robert Scoble
arrington: @Scobleizer perhaps someday when you are sitting in your house with a police car parked out front to protect you you'll think differently.
- Mark
C'mon Robert...do you seriously not grok the similarities between this argument and your complaint about O'Reilly/SUL? This is free publicity for a conference that you're speaking at that will help make your name more notable in your area of expertise.
- Ken Kennedy
Mark: perhaps I will.
- Robert Scoble
Must have been a serious thread if the police give you personal protection
- Mark
I need to read up a little more on the other parties involved. The only person I follow of this group with any real regularity is Leo LaPorte. However, from a listeners point of view, Leo grossly over-reacted to a legitimate question ( and I love Leo's work ). Would Larry King shut down the show just because he was asked something he was apparently sensitive about? ( I realize this...
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- Sean E Brown
Remember a couple weeks back when Twitter convinced the world the California supreme court reversed their non-reversal of Prop 8?
- Matthew DeVries
No robert, what I pasted was Arringtons reply to you on twitter
- Mark
Mark: I know.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please don't pay attention to M.A. He does not deserve it
- Luca Conti
Robert: It's all good, man. Regardless if paid or not, you knew up front what this was about and helped get the ball rolling. I don't fault you for it, but in an ironic sort of way, the lack of up front knowledge, that came out later about this being for the conf, can produce the exact kind of behavior Arrington is decrying and citing the "need" for new tools to address. It's all claptrap, but digress. I'm going outside.
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is just ticked off at the response he was getting after he attacked Leo .. yeah I really think he attacked him personally. Attacking a man's credibility and integrity is a personal attack in my opinion. Then he removed the techcrunch feed from friendfeed ..so what let him .. I agree with the other commenters..He is an attention whore plain and simple then compares Friendfeed...
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- John Blanton
from twhirl
I really think Arrington has a skewed view of FriendFeed. Most of the venom against him on FriendFeed has happened during Gillmor Gang podcasts, which were most recently running on Leo Laporte's TWiT network. For whatever reason, a large percentage of Leo's TWiT fan base hates Arrington. Not just disagree. Hate. They've also said pretty awful things about Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, etc....
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- Mike Doeff
Notice how Mike is totally absent on this thread. He should be here defending his article, defending his analogy to syphilis and letting us all know how dumb we are for not seeing things is way. Mike obiously sees no point to having this discussion. I count 2 tweets from him on this subject.
- Roberto Bonini
@Mike Doeff If he did see the civility of FriendFeed he wouldn't have compared it to syphilis.
- John Blanton
Please note, Robert...I don't think you're being all devious or anything. I'm just pointing this out to give you another angle on the O'Reilly thing. I actually think Tim probably thought "WTF" as well. And while I DO think that both of you are being a teeny bit naive thinking that the attention doesn't affect what you say or do...that's the case with pretty much all attention. I don't...
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- Ken Kennedy
Scoble: I see what you did here. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'd put a witty comment here, but Arrington isn't worth the requisite brain power that would consume.
- Steven Perez
Arrington is a douch.
- Peter Kruit
Can Mike read this thread without a FF account?
- Mark
Ken: Arrington is on the Suggested User List and he did not disclose that. Jason Calacanis says that is worth $250,000. I guarantee you that speaking at a conference won't get you $250,000 worth of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody remember Usenet newsgroups? They still exist, and lots o' tech people still use them (i still answer questions there). There have been some remarkable flame wars there, and they are all threaded. I don't see how different that is from FF except FF has a prettier interface.
- RobinDotNet
Mark: yes
- Robert Scoble
Peter: so are you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thank you ;) Don't get me wrong. We also need people like that. They make for interesting discussions.
- Peter Kruit
Hah! Arrington removed my comment about him not disclosing that he is on Twitter's Suggested User list.
- Robert Scoble
Lets give 1 sec to the Arrington point at his last tweets ,cant we have some kind of control on the stream ?cant FF add better moderation tools ?
- Johni Fisher
Robert: You're stirring the pot yourself and why? Because Arrington comapred FF to Syphilis? I have nothing against a discussion about the issue at hand but you're lead-in to this was a bit on the point of the article.. It's just a session of Arrignton bashing, replace the keyboards with pitchforks and you're all on your was the TC headquarters to string up the guy.
- Sean E Brown
"on your way" rather
- Sean E Brown
And again I am comment on a Scoble thread, but to misquote Cassius " The fault, dear Friends, is not in Scoble or Arrington But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
- Kim Landwehr
oh I forgot IMHO
- Sean E Brown
Sean: you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: the thing is I have seen mob suppression and I don't like it one bit.
- Robert Scoble
And I have had my car damaged and life threatened by a mob after the 49ers won the Super Bowl one year.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, the weekend dust-up. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Robert: gotcha. I think I understand where you're coming from. I disagree, but it's no big deal.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: but who is suppressing it? An article isn't going to to stop mobs, not all mobs are good mobs (lol). I suppose we all have our quirks that get us up in arms, I am in no way innocent of that.
- Sean E Brown
I declare the Dead Horse to be Beaten sufficiently.
- Sean E Brown
@Johni Fisher: FriendFeed is a social network, not a community or a forum with administrators and the like. But I reckon that nested conversations could be useful ;-)
- Miguel Caetano
This inspired me to listen to the Mob Rules album by Black Sabbath :D
- Per
It's interesting to me that the very thing Arrington talks about happens here. Where did good taste and treating other people with respect get off the track? I mean seriously...have you looked at how many people are on this thread making nasty comments about Arrington? He isn't the only one that gets that treatment, we all do if we state our opinions publicly. Now, I'm not against...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl: yes, this is bloodsport. Same thing happens at baseball stadiums every day.
- Robert Scoble
If your able to get syphallus from FriendFeed then I'm clearly using it wrong
- Davis Freeberg
Sheryl: The nasty talk against Arrington is earned. Arrington frequently slams FriendFeed (which get under Robert Scoble's skin and compels him to do these sorts of posts, but that's another topic) and then cries whenever (a) no one pays him any attention or (b) people talk nasty about him.
- Steven Perez
Robert: I can't take things that seriously. Life is to be lived not destroyed. Why don't we talk about the value of the mob? Why don't we talk about how amazing social networks can be?
- Sheryl
Steven: I disagree with you :) That Arrington has an opinion and states it no more gives you or I a right to tear his person apart than my simply waking up every day. Argue against his opinion but name calling has no benefits.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: You're entitled to your viewpoint, but I've been here long enough to see how Arrington operates. And nothing I've seen from him lately has changed that opinion. He deserves every bit of scorn he gets, because he delights in these sort of poop fights.
- Steven Perez
Here are some features that might slow down mob-like participation: 1) move the comment link to after the last comment, rather than right under the item, to encourage reading the previous comments before commenting. 2) once a threshold has been reached, remove the comment link entirely, so you have to go to the item page (which displays all comments) before commenting, to discourage formation of instant pile-ons from within the live stream.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Steven: You don't have to change your opinion of Arrington. At no time have I suggested you aren't entitled to your opinion. But what benefit for you is there in calling him names? We all have opinions others disagree with. You didn't call me names and yet for all you know I'm a horrible person (I'm not) I think the world is better for opinions and different thoughts. It stretches us to...
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- Sheryl
Mike comparing FF to syphilis is pure, shameless analogy abuse. But say what you will about Mike, his arguments are interesting, and I do read them. And if anyone on this thread wants to organize a torch and pitchfork mob against him, let me be the first to say I've got a billion more interesting and important things to occupy my time.
- James Hernandez
Sheryl: I said it Zee's thread and I'll say it here - it's another Arrington poop fight. He throws enough of it on the wall to see what sticks, gets Robert Scoble riled up, and a mess of blog posts and forum fights ensue. SOP for Arrington. Meanwhile, he reaps the benefits of notoriety and links back to his site, all without ever setting foot in here, because we're all going over there to see what he wrote.
- Steven Perez
Neither of these are particularly innovative, BTW. I can suggest reading Derek Powazek's excellent book 'Design for Community':http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Michael R. Bernstein
I know Arrington sometimes smears himself with blood and tosses himself into the feeding frenzy. I have no problem attacking his opinions when I disagree. Or attacking his ego when it's out there. I do find myself more and more put off by people who make every attack personal. It goes to excess. And I hate the specious argument that "I've seen him blah blah blah" and he deserves it....
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- Ken Camp
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it go something like this: 1. Arrington dislikes Scoble. 2. Scoble likes FriendFeed. 3. Therefore, Arrington dislikes FriendFeed.
- Stephen Mack
Steven: I would only ask this, who is inciting who if Arrington squawks and people fluff their feathers? I don't know Mike Arrington, I know who he is and I have read enough to know he frequently says things that are inflammatory, but I don't call him names publicly. Where is the value in that? Can someone show me why that is useful because if you can, I may change my tune, though it's highly unlikely! ;-)
- Sheryl
Stephen: I don't think Arrington dislikes me.
- Robert Scoble
it's all entertainment in the end :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ken: ;-) Dork! LOL (I can call Ken names cause he's my SO) hehe
- Sheryl
And at the risk of encouraging flames in my direction, I pretty much agree with Arrington's post. I agree with him about 10-15% of the time.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl: I may be a dork, but I'm your dork. And I only engage in this petty crap to try to find some intelligence among the noise. Like always, there's some here. Filtering the noise within a thread isn't easy. I know Robert loves FF filtering, but this is an example of when NOTHING but the filtering can find any value.
- Ken Camp
Ken: even filtering can't help some threads! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: shall I bop him on the head? hehe
- Sheryl
Robert: Agreed. There really needs to be a way to tag trash threads to be expunged. Terrible that this drivel will exist forever.
- Ken Camp
Ken: only if you search for it will it matter for long.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: True but wasting arguably infinite disk space to store it forever is still waste. I don't like waste in general.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- what kind of response do you think Arrington anticipated when he compared Friendfeed to syphillis -- *at length* (in case we missed the point)? Describing him as a jackass strikes me as a measured and rational response. But he is best ignored, to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Sheryl: there's a small bit of problem with your logic. By your logic, everything that Ann Coulter (thanks, Sprague D) says is not deserving of scorn, either.
- Steven Perez
Steven I don't say it's wrong to be scornful. I do still think it's wrong to call names. It feels wrong to me to validate that in any way. Defending position is a whole other thing. To enter the fray and retaliate has no good consequence.
- Sheryl
Steven: Scorn for stupid ideas is different than personal attacks. Although comparing Arrington to Coulter is an interesting and entertaining thought. ;-)
- Ken Camp
Sean: I don't think it matters what Arrington's goal was. In the end, even if Arrington calls FF names, to do so in return accomplishes what?
- Sheryl
Sean: If we take the passion and emotion out of the argument, Arrington's comparison to how syphillis evolved to survive, to the FF mob power, I think there's some good analogy inside there. Sure it's ugly, but I wouldn't say it's inaccurate. How many mobs have we seen called into play in the past few weeks over some perceived wrong. Yesterday it was someone's AT&T bill and the open...
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- Ken Camp
On that note, I am off for a break, out to run errands, and finished with this particular thread. Have a good afternoon all.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- sometimes it is healthy to call out a jackass as a jackass, and then move on to more productive topics. It puts a period on the nonsense. In general I agree with you: the more civil the conversation, the better.
- Sean McBride
This whole thing reminds me of the "How to tell someone they sounded racist video" http://www.youtube.com/watch... I think we can all learn something from that video. Keep to the subject, instead of calling names and generalizing from what a person did. If you want a good discussion on this subject don't call people names. Instead of wasting time in here where M.A says he...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Because, at the end of the day, Arrington is against mob mentality ... unless he can direct the mob's direction.
- Steven Perez
The real problem with herd mentality is that once understood, it can be effectively deployed to link bait, generate PR in the form of online discussions, and to promote social media sites and/or events, without people even being aware of it.
- Mark Davidson
I'm particularly baffled - better yet - amused by how the media gurus quickly turn into poor, weeping poopflinging angry things once they find themselves prodded by the pointy end of a mass of people (which they then call "a mob" elegantly skipping the "lynch" part). Groupthink - yes, sometimes - even herd mentality - but this has all to do with how people are, and nothing with technology, so I really don't get the hate on FF (Syphilis? gimme a f-in' break!).
- dario
also: the guy is obviously oblivious of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and has no clue about what goes on in "the mainstream", say on Reddit, /. or that cesspool that are youtube comments. FF is pretty much a small, happy place with tea, pastries and fancy embroidered cushions compared to those.
- dario
Dude, TC deleted my (constructively thoughtful albeit critical) comment in the article thread --- and it keeps eating my attempts to repost. wtf?!...
- Thom Kennon
Thom: Arrington did the same thing to me. Welcome to the mob.
- Robert Scoble
Ken Camp - I agree completely with your post - this whole thread went from a discussion on Mobfeed and into something similar to a 1990 BBS rant
- Kathleen Forden
This is really getting to be ridiculous. Arrington admits that people can be nasty at Twitter and other places, but says FriendFeed is worse, basically because all comments can be seen in one place. Blame FF? Why don't we start with blaming TechCrunch, because a lot of people started out disliking him due to what he writes there. I suspect that if Arrington didn't delete so much of what was posted there, we'd see a REAL mob.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Dario: If Arrington's blog post heightened your emotional state, then his mission was accomplished. If you clicked the link to Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If you commented on Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If Robert Scoble started a thread on FriendFeed about Arrington's blog post, then his mission was accomplished. If we are still...
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- Mark Davidson
Mark: that was my point, actually (sorry it didn't come through too well) - basically if you go prodding a hive with a stick sometimes you get stung - it doesn't reflect too well on you if you get all uppity afterwards. So, I agree with you 100% on the manipulative part.
- dario
The same thing happens on Digg, and it's been around for years. It's not a problem with the service(s), it's a cultural problem. We've all been desensitized to some level or another, some extremely.
- Blake
Dario: Don't feel bad. I got caught up in it too. It's human behavior. As human beings, we respond to stimuli. When executed properly, we just can't help ourselves. Our emotions get stirred, we take action in the form of a response, we become engaged because we've invested emotional energy, we talk amongst ourselves, etc. Politicians, public speakers, bloggers, television and radio...
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- Mark Davidson
What a bunch of echo chamber nonsense.
- Jason Nunnelley
I can't disagree with that Jason....... Except, it's only an echo chamber when it's good/self aggrandizing. When it's ugly and destructive like this, I think the more proper term is devouring our own young, but the sentiment is right on.
- Matthew DeVries
Skipping past the other discussion that's already happened on Arrington's post (I'll catch up in a minute), I just want to say that TechCrunch has officially joined my list of sites I won't visit anymore. Great job alienating a large group of readers, Mike.
- Jason Huebel
Matthew, I just expanded my opinion on Mike's post (linked by Scoble). I think it's calculated drama. Either that or really, really silly. I'm giving everyone the benefit of doubt here and assigning more intelligence than the latter opinion would allow.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would anyone take anything that Arrington writes seriously after his complete bullshit stories about Last.fm - which had real, economic consequences for the company, and which are still being repeated as if they were true by people around the web? He's perfectly happy to whip up the mob when it suits him, but when it bites him back he suddenly becomes Mr Socially Concerned.
- Ian Betteridge
How many times was Arrington's name mentioned in this post, thus reinforcing his brand through repetition? How many people reading his name were in an emotionally heightened state? Hmmm. lol.
- Mark Davidson
When someone comes into your house and poops on your coffee table, it's a bit difficult to look at it rationally and ask what the merits of such an act was.
- Steven Perez
"It was windy in here, so I needed to weigh the papers down"
- Matthew DeVries
He actually removed my comment. No kidding. I didn't wish him ill, suggest he should died or anything of that nature. I just made a coherent and short comment about his tactic with as bland a set of language as possible. Wimp.
- Jason Nunnelley
THIS is why i fucking hate FF. "Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here" WHERE? damn it, friend feed always makes a monkey out of me. where's arrington's rant? i dunno. i'll seach for arrington's account and see if i can find it. i'll prolly be back in five minutes to say "oh, i'm so stupid... i found it at [INSERT FUCKING URL HERE]" thanks for exposing my FF ineptitude, Scoble.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: it's the first comment on this thread. It's a link. Then come back here to read the 200 comments.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, what are you talking about? It's right there.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: I've used this device hundreds of times. Most people figure it out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
So he just wants to delete all counter comments? How very Supreme Leader of him....
- Matthew DeVries
He hasn't deleted mine yet
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Comment removal is standard practice at TechCrunch, and it really doesn't matter if the comments are polite. He'll leave a few counter-comments in (enough so it's not obvious he's blocking counter-opinions) and delete the rest. Perhaps his lack of control of the conversation is why he doesn't like FriendFeed much.
- Ian Betteridge
All I said was that he should thank Scoble for the link, but he shouldn't be surprised if these tactics result in trollish drama queens following his work only to bring a teen girl styled smack down to his next slumber party. It wasn't even that caustic, definitely not "mob" language.
- Jason Nunnelley
Matthew: he's probably deleting all comments he perceives as being from the "MobFeed." I think it's funny. Mike once told me he's an entertainer, and this is evidence of that.
- Robert Scoble
aha http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... got it ... second comment actually. i agree with jason calicanis ... you need a freaking masters degree to work friend feed. thanks, Robert, BTW .. the url gets shortened, so even though the title of the article is in that URL, one doesn't see it when scanning the comments.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: no, it's the first comment. The first line are people who clicked "like" on this item.
- Robert Scoble
The problem, though, is that Arrington is an "entertainer" with the power to seriously hurt companies and careers in the web industry. And he does it, too.
- Ian Betteridge
Mark - Ff's interface is about as simple as it gets.... *rollseyes*
- Matthew DeVries
So, he deletes my comment about participating in adult conversation and leaves the guy's comment that calls him a douche? Mature. I'm starting to withdraw my prior benefit of doubt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Ian: he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink. I've had Valleywag and Techcrunch aimed at me before and it never hurts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - In the same way that Andy Kaufman was an "entertainer"?
- Matthew DeVries
To be totally fair, i dont think it is that bad. We have had quite a few articles on Techcrunch and on on a whole they seem to be a nice bunch, very accomodating and understanding.
- Paul Rawlings
Although it is unpleasant to go through.
- Robert Scoble
I thought it was quite a funny read, I don't think I can take it seriously... it is almost as if someone spat in his face or something.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, he can't hurt me - but think of Last.fm, whose reputation was hurt and which lost subscribers because of a completely false series of articles that Arrington posted. And he's never really acknowledged that he got it totally wrong, preferring to hint that "there's no smoke without fire". That's what I mean about serious damage. He has the power of mainstream media, without the vaguest notion of a conscience.
- Ian Betteridge
FF interface: simple? perhaps. Intuitive? not so much. The FF fail is strong in me. (and scoble was right, the url IS in the first comment) what looked to me like the first comment was just a list of "likes" that's a Digg concept, right?
- Mark Hartwell
Ian: if Last.fm has value it will cruise right through a wrongful attack. I'm not saying it's right, or pleasant.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, go away, you're just making things up now..... It's simple, intuitive, and elegant. You're just not very bright. The fact you can't suss it out is a reflection on you, not the site.
- Matthew DeVries
Yeah, Last.fm will survive - think of the man-hours it took dealing with the mess that Arrington created. A lot of time and effort went into cleaning up a mess that Arrington gleefully made. And again, no acknowledgement from him that he was in the wrong.
- Ian Betteridge
Matthew: stay nice. It's not that easy sometimes for newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Or English isn't your first language. If that is the case, then yes, it can confuse, I apologize.
- Matthew DeVries
Matt, your comment on Arrington's post is funny dude. I give it ten minutes :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I just read this entire post. I'm so sorry I wasted my time. Maybe we should ban the use of cell phones and IM just in case. Like FriendFeed, they also make it too easy to talk to people.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm not trying to show him up with it. Just a personal experiment for myself (my post on the TC thread)
- Matthew DeVries
This Last.fm thing, this is what drives my Perez Hilton comparison. He got to create a hurt, damage something, and while Last.fm will probably whether it, nothing bounces back to TC. In fact, it grew their market, and put more money in Arrington's pocket.
- Matthew DeVries
on such a beautiful sunday, how on earth could anybody be paying attention to arrington's opinion - he is a self serving dolt...
- mike "glemak" dunn
ok, i've read arrington's post. and most of this thread. the syphilis analogy was probably just something that mike has been wanting to paste and share since he read that book. the laporte / arrington "war" lasted all of 10 minutes. what that exchange DID expose was a lot of pent up anti-arrington hate. why do so many people think arrington is an asshole? simple, he IS an asshole. if i...
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- Mark Hartwell
ok Robert If you are going to remove mike's comment couldn't you at least remove my reply to him also? Now it stands out like a sore thumb of dumbness in a sea of irrelevance. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Well he was right about the Mob! I'd delete my FF account but what's the point? For delivery of content its great, but for hanging out, I don't have the skill or patience to go toe to toe with a Mob of spoiled intellectuals.
- ZuDfunck
Rasmus I haven't removed any replies on this thread!
- Robert Scoble
yay then he removed it himself. Mission accomplished :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
who cares.
- Stalyn☂
"...it [friendfeed] will be forced to evolve to something less dangerous or it’ll destroy itself." At the risk of inciting an insanely dangerous mob, what a freakin drama queen.
- Christopher A Carr
Glad to know you know me so well @Zudfunck, So I'm a "spoiled intellectual" from California... Not a 29 year old college dropout living in Randers, Denmark? Wow you know me so well almost better than I know myself. Thanks for the generalization, it totally helped my mood :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
What an odd post - I like Arrington, but it's posts like this that make him come off as a bully. The mob boss?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: "Nice mob you got here" ~ Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp
- Sean E Brown
I think Mike is paranoid one of those startups he loves to put in the deadpool want HIM in the deadpool :p
- Mark
A salad? You see this is the Kevin Rose effect. All the young kids up and coming in tech are all skinny, and they rock climb, and drink fashionable teas from around the world. No more fat techies with these guys in charge. Crap.
- Mark
@mark dammit I need to work out then, thanks for not sending me that memo before now! :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Lost me when he got to the pustules part.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
from fftogo
Mike Arrington's is not on the global radar, so his rant is useless. There are major social media shifts in developing countries, violent regime crack-downs, and tech developments leading human dignity campaigns.
- E-Advocate Network
Yawn, change a few words and it could be used by any class with power, religious, political. IE. Admin blog power, Green Dam, RIAA, Tehran, Bush. Read/Write culture is showing tremendous growth. There is no one person, power, group or nation that can change any of it. Call it Mob call it anything you want, but for 99.99999999999% of the population. His rant is a YAWN. It will change nothing and have no effect not now or ever. There is nothing to fear here move on.
- Robert Higgins
The biggest problem with Mike Arrington and MG Siegler's arguments is they only seeing this problem because of their position. I've said some pretty fierce, opinionated things on FriendFeed, Twitter, and elsewhere, but I'm not fearing for my life. Nor would I in the near future. Even though we're not anonymous on FriendFeed or Twitter, it doesn't matter for most because we're anonymous enough to where enough people are going to care enough to do something to us.
- Jared Mehle
+1 SpragueD, the difference being Ann Coulter has a pair of *cojones.* she wouldn't need months of seclusion and grief counseling after someone spat on her.
- Karim
Karim: I am no longer speaking at any TechCrunch event, according to an email I just received. Just so we can clear that part up of the conversation above.
- Robert Scoble
What a bone head move by TC.
- Mark
Sorry, I don't join mobs.
- xero
Wait. MA's issue is with Ff and it's people, not with Scobleizer. Why would he ban you Robert, and not us? You can't speak at TC, but the Ff mob is still welcome?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: I don't know, but he clearly was not happy with something I said above.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Mike considers Robert the leader of the FF movement for some odd reason. Cult leader. He evangelises the service so he must be the one getting people to threaten Mike, right.
- Mark
He is not even on any advisory boards or consulted on feature rollouts......IIRC Ff is ran buy Paul and some other dude.
- Matthew DeVries
I do see quite a few posts defending, or at least clarifying for the positive things about Arrington....*sigh*
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: it might have been a comment he deleted over on TechCrunch too. I don't know. I'll talk with him when he's calmer and see what got him to use that stick on my legs.
- Robert Scoble
It's getting to the point that Wil Harris and Martin Sargent are the only TWiT panelists that will appear together. (hyperbole alert)
- Matthew DeVries
Does Wil Harris have a Ff?
- Matthew DeVries
Don't think so. We have work to do to get alot of the big twitter users over here.
- Mark
Friendfeed is ours. We own it, not the celebs who own twitter more and more :/ FF is for the geeks.
- Mark
The people I'd love to see over here, Scott @extralife Johnson, and Kevin Smith.
- Matthew DeVries
@MDV, love to see Scott Johnson here. I think he could benefit from the more media-rich capabilities of FF. Also wouldn't mind seeing Wil Wheaton here, too.
- Jason Huebel
@Jason: http://friendfeed.com/wilw
- MikeAmundsen
Robert... he *disinvited* you to London? lol. petty. perhaps not unexpected though, given his penchant for drama. http://dramabutton.com in the movies they call it a "plot point."
- Karim
Send him one of these, Robert: http://saydrah.files.wordpress.com/2008...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Karim: I'm going to London, just not going to speak at any TechCrunch event I guess. I'm going as part of http://www.travelinggeeks.com
- Robert Scoble
No, he got your London credentials pulled. "We got a burn notice on you, you're black listed"
- Matthew DeVries
©Scoble, you said, "...he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink." According to a rep from a huge tech corporation, even an unknown blogger can damage a company's ability to sell a product. When I asked for permission to review a new device, the response I received conveyed this warning. I never wrote the review. I'm not sure I ever wrote any others.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
MiniMage: yes, any random person can hurt you, but only if that pain resonates with others. If you have a great product or service, it will go on. Look at Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: where did you read that?
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Arrington isn't in charge of http://www.travelinggeeks.com so he can't pull my ticket from London. He can, however, keep me out of TechCrunch events.
- Robert Scoble
I'll read this thread, but why is Mike angry with you, Robert?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't know. I guess he feels I turned the mob against him. Or something I did over on his blog bugged him (he deleted a comment where I wondered whether his attacks on FriendFeed were driven by his inclusion on the Twitter Suggested User List, which delivered to him $250,000 of value and that he never discloses when he talks about social networking). Funny if it's that because it's pretty much the same thing that he did to Leo Laporte that pissed off Leo so much.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't Robert, I was quoting the opening of Burn Notice eps.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Yeah, I was just thinking that's what Leo should have shot back with, and I was just thinking the same thing about the SUL and how dramatically that's a bigger deal to affect their coverage of Twitter than Leo's getting a pre for a week. I'll try to start being just positive like you suggested earlier, but it makes me wonder if TechCrunch got as many @replies attacking them as Mike...
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- Stephen Pickering
I guess I'm agnostic on this issue. I do feel, however, that when there's repeatedly smoke, there must be something that's overheating pretty damned often. I mean, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh always blame "the receiver" if they disagree with anything "the annointed" have posited. (No, I'm not directly comparing Michael A. to those guys, but if he's claiming to be misinterpreted by so many so often, something doesn't add up. Isn't he a "professional" in communications, after all? Just sayin...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
I thought friendfeed was the "coolest app nobody uses"... now we're the mob ;) guess we're moving up in the world guys.
- Frankie Warren
lol Matthew -- no, the "Burn Notice" intro goes like this: http://www.hulu.com/watch... My name is Robert Scoble. I used to be a social media expert. Until... [VOICE ON PHONE: "Arrington put out a burn notice on you. You're blacklisted."]
- Karim
"A former Cable TV host who used to inform on you to the FBI: [You know Web 2.0 bloggers, a bunch of BITCHY little girls]"
- Matthew DeVries
LEAVE MIKE ARRINGTON ALONE!!! *cries*
- Alejandro
If this has already been posted, I apologize, but the bad side of a mob can be seen here: http://hashtags.org/tag... When a twitter / ff user says he's going to commit suicide and a bunch of people encourage him to do so.... Not a good example of the "mob."
- Ben Hanten
Ben: so, a bunch of Twitter users flash a stupid hashtag, it shows up here on FF as being ported from Twitter (http://friendfeed.com/search... - note the point of origin and how many users here actually used that tag), and somehow that's the mob that Arrington is talking about?
- Steven Perez
I agree with Mike too, except for the syphilis comparison (could have used a better analogy).. Emotions + Real-Time communication with the rest of the world can blow matters out of proportions very quickly, and especially so when not everyone reads all 286++ comments..
- Winston Teo
::Glances over and walks on by....again::
- Geoff Schultz
Winston: the problem I have with is with the equating "social media" with "FriendFeed", Seriously, this place is worse than, say, 4chan? Or Digg? Or Stormfront? Really?
- Steven Perez
Because Arrington didn't note this as a general problem. He specifically targeted FriendFeed over some of the worst social media sites out there. For that reason alone, his article is laughable.
- Steven Perez
@steven Yup, I would say it's not only about FF. But his "theory" makes sense in a general way, IMO.
- Winston Teo
Winston - I see you're new to Arrington's "Victim Tool" it's one of most used and most skillfully wielded. It's a shame that there isn't penalties for diving in tech, like there is in hockey.
- Matthew DeVries
Well, welcome to 1997, Winston. Because "mob mentality" has manifested itself since comic book nerds were flaming each other on USENET over whether Hal Jordan or Kyle Rainer was the better Green Lantern. If general assholery was the issue, then not only did Arrington's point hit wildly off the mark, it didn't even land on the same planet. I've been here for a year, and while people do...
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- Steven Perez
Not enough page hits, or not enough fans to drown out the dissenting voices. Arrington et al can hide in their imaginary utopian internet hangouts (as if they exist) and shut out everyone who dares to suggest they're wrong, but they need to stop attacking FriendFeed. It's not the cesspool they pretend it is.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
My take is that Arrington doesn't like FF because he can't control what goes on here or what is said about him here. He can't delete the comments on threads (unless they are his own), like he can on his own web site.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Clark heck, "threads" on Twitter are so disorganized that you can barely call them that. *grin* (I realize some of the desktop apps make them easier to review, but still.)
- Ken Kennedy
Mr. Arrington has a good point there: aggregating opinions and discussion indeed create online mob. We just saw it in many real examples.
- darwin|1q84
it is always easier to lead a mob than a person.
- darwin|1q84
I concur, darwin|1q84, especially when no one moment can be the whole truth. Mobs form quickly and often without the *whole* story. real-time, while useful in many contexts as Louis pointed out, can lead to a quick-time mob mentality that gets out of control fast. Great discussion. Brings up a lot of things.
- chad calease
Forums can be every bit as nasty as FF.
- Christopher A Carr
It has nothing to do with the medium it has everything to do with people.
- Geoff Schultz
Surprise surprise, Arrington deleted my comment on his thread. As I said above, he really doesn't like it if people disagree with him in "his own territory", does he?
- Ian Betteridge
If this thread is too much to read through, just parse the comments for the word 'control' Those 7 items explain why Arrington can't handle FriendFeed. nuf said.
- Christopher Harley
I'm not sure where Mike Arrington was back in the late 90's, but I was smack dab in the middle of a vibrant CNN online community where discussions happened in real time with real names and yeah, there were mobs around certain issues. Anything to do with the Middle East, or Bill Clinton was guaranteed to be a 24/7 shift for the elves who scrubbed the spam and the flames. This isn't new. It's been around since the cave man days. It's only a question of how it's manifest.
- Karoli
LOL of my comments over there he removed the one where I argued against Sean MacDhai for calling Michael a Douche. Guess he just wants to continue being the victim. I actually liked MA's stuff and enjoyed the turds he threw out sometimes. But deleting comments supporting him so he can just look more like a victim is low... Guess I'm gone from there.. His comment moderation makes it impossible to carry on a conversation, self serving as it is...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
the bully pulpit worked. against the bully.
- Rick Cogley
I think it's time to give him the only response I deem to be effective - removing techcrunch from my feed lists. Bye bye, MA. You won't miss me, but I'm certainly not going to miss you and all the drama.
- Adrian Scicluna
Having stepped back and thought about it, I think that there's a serious point struggling to get out of Arrington's post. He's choosing to blame tools like FriendFeed for people being vitriolic, but real-time tools - like any tool - don't make people do anything. People *choose* to be vitriolic: it's part of their make up, their culture, their approach to life. The problem that I have...
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- Ian Betteridge
The fact that Mike is deleting comments that don't suit his needs and banned Robert S from Tech crunch events tends to prove my suspicion, and this is about control. He doesn't control the Ff conversation and that's what bothers him.
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
@Kim And also the reason he chose to pull out from FF in the first place!
- Adrian Scicluna
It strikes me that Friendfeed tends to fuel invective out of partisanship or loyalty because threads like this one and the TWIT episode thread attract groupies. The bile comes from what the spewers must see as the most noble of motives -- sticking up for their Friend.
- Amyloo
the best analogy for friendfeed he could come up with was syphilis? Yeah that's not link bait. I'm sure the guys at friendfeed are just thrilled with Mike today.
- timepilot
I think Mike got used to shouting fire in a theater and he is now upset that the theater goers are organized and calling him on it. give me a break
- timepilot
Discussion of these questions is welcome with the understanding that the dialogue is invigorating.
- Mike Chelen
I would think Arrington's credibility is in question when bashing FF (or other social networks) when he is on Twitterr's SUL. No?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
That actually is a good and somewhat novel point in all of this Kevin.
- Matthew DeVries
Kevin: the praise for twitter is that it is less effective for communication, friendfeed should be thankful for the nice compliment ;)
- Mike Chelen
Andrew Terry: the post actually is much more insightful if taken to apply more generally, however it does single out friendfeed as somehow qualitatively worse than blogs or twitter :D
- Mike Chelen
It is rather silly that FF's supposed Achilles heel is that it's too effective at bringing crowds together. Mike's unspoken counterpoint benefit to Twitter is that megaphone-style broadcasting is still possible without too much interruption from the public.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I prefer twitter because individuals are individuals on twitter and there is nothing meaningful to say in thirty seconds in a flame war or a thread with 322 replies
- Michele Costabile
Michele, you just have to go up 1 to find one, Daniel's post was probably the most meaningful thing said in this thread, it was post 320. Need another, go up 6 to Kevin Whalen. There's plenty of well thought out things still to be said on this subject, even if it's this big.
- Matthew DeVries
We could certainly use some threading options in the comments UI, maybe even some upvoting and other dynamic resorting. These big threads tend to buckle under their own weight.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
*shudder* no voting or per comment liking. Then we do become Digg. There's nothing wrong long with long tracts of prose. It requires participants to be literate and skilled readers, and pushes away the fools. If it needs distilling, do it second hand with blog posts.
- Matthew DeVries
Daniel, I like time sequencing on big threads. I'd like to see simpler respond identifiers so when someone says "Jason," I know which of us billion or so Jasons he's talking to. I much prefer this to seeing comments floating around based on up and down votes.
- Jason Nunnelley
I did throw in the qualifier "optional" to my feature suggestion. I guess y'all's vote cancels out mine :P (http://www.theonion.com/content...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel, welcome to the democratic process. Facts and logic need not participate ;)
- Jason Nunnelley
Michele: individuals can be seen clearly in friendfeed once familiar with the interface, and followed or unfollowed similar to twitter
- Mike Chelen
Guys, Mike should remove the post from Techcrunch or else we will start a group to protest against him
- Michael_techie
Guys, please join this group http://friendfeed.com/hate-mi... to protest against Michael Arrington
- Michael_techie
You created a group called "Hate Mike Arrington?" Wow.
- Mark
Michael_techie - That was a stupid room to make, and it's not funny, or clever, or ironic. You're probably a psuedonym for Arrington trying to create a problem that doesn't exist.
- Matthew DeVries
Yep, we should show how big is Friendfeed
- Michael_techie
Um, no.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Sorry @Michael_techie that's a fail. I think its time to move on and think about more positive stuff. It's 22 hours since @scobleizer started this thread, its like years in realtime web. Seas have already flowed under the proverbial bridge on this one.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes, you won't see threads like this any more. Scoble wants more positive threads and is trying to make up with Mike Arrington who has denounced their friendship after several years.
- Mark
Daniel's post was an appropriate end for it. For me anyway. But there's no way to silence the thread without deleting all my posts and hiding it. That's a brokeness of Ff. It will keep popping in my notifier and my discussions filter even if I hide it.
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew hey we should pile up this conversation in separate room
- Michael_techie
As an aside, anyone know if Michael_techie has ever mattered? Can I block him without consequence?
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew Are you promoting Michael arrington
- Michael_techie
As a FF user, It really hurts when some one call us as mob
- Michael_techie
Yeah, He's a flawed guy like us all, and I've always said he never should have taken an ounce of flame the second Leo forgave him, and the community is better with him in it. I wish he hadn't left Ff. But he is wrong about some things. Many things. Like all of us.
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew, He shouldn't call the whole FF users as mob, coz he got some hatred messages
- Michael_techie
Black Sabbath said it best: When you listen to fools, the mob rules.
- Andy Dustman
How to deal with MobFeed and mobs (the tools http://twitter.com/arrington needs): - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Every morning Maryam and her mom go through their Basmati rice and remove bad grains because the quality of rice has gone down recently (prices recently doubled due to a drought in India so the rice producers are shipping more crappy rice along). Anyway, this made me think of the mobs. There are lots of tools to deal with them, just like Maryam is dealing with her bad rice problem:
- Robert Scoble
1. Start a private room(er group). That is like the pile of rice with the bad ones removed. Maryam "invites" good rice into her room.
- Robert Scoble
2. Block jerks who call names. That is what Maryam does when she throws bad rice into the trash. They -- unlike on Twitter -- even are removed from your search results. Blocking also removes YOUR account from THEIR view so they no longer can attack you.
- Robert Scoble
3. Remove comments that exhibit mob behavior. Unly the person who starts a thread can do this on FriendFeed but this is much like a blog. Arrington removed one of my comments on TechCrunch today, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
4. Don't cause mobs to form in the first place. Mobs get excited when people in leadership positions attack entire countries and entire user bases of social networking tools.
- Robert Scoble
5. Use a higher form of media. If you respond to a Tweet storm with video, for instance, or to a video with a community roundtable where everyone can show up for a discussion you will appear more human and you will slow down the mob.
- Robert Scoble
6.You never stop a mob by arguing with it. Instead, join the mob, move to the front, and slowly guide it to your position. That requires humility and work, though.
- Robert Scoble
7. Call on your friends to be better. Attack them if you see them calling the other side names.
- Robert Scoble
Any other ideas?
- Robert Scoble
8. Stop taking things so seriously. It's just text on the screen.
- Cristo
9. Stop buying into your friends' persecution complexes and paranoid delusions. Pay attention to your wife and come back to Planet Earth.
- Karim
10. Stop equating critical remarks on a web page with having the shit physically beat out of you by a real mob of real people in the real world.
- Karim
if the mob had numbers then wudnt it be harder for him to click those little checkboxs to delete the comments?
- Paul Rawlings
Arrington said I was inciting the loonies. http://twitter.com/arrington The funny thing is there are at least 139% more loonies on Twitter than on FriendFeed. Provably so, too. They all have a hashtag.
- Robert Scoble
Paul: I can delete all comments here very quickly. Here, I'll delete all the off topic comments here.
- Robert Scoble
I just deleted nine comments and it took a few seconds.
- Robert Scoble
Robert i love your style and commend you.
- Paul Rawlings
Can someone post this item over on Arrington's post? He's moderating my comments now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert ,when u r not present no one can control your post comments and there is no control at all,,, the community should have some better tools ,,,
- Johni Fisher
Johni: that is why I put my phone number on my blog and here so you can call and tell me a mob is out of control on my behalf: +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Thats u Robert .... and the rest ?
- Johni Fisher
Johni: if you see a mob getting out of control you can use many of the other techniques. Block those who participate and let them know. That will at least punish them for their behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Johni: or join the mob, move to the front, and then start guiding them away from their target. That takes thought leadership and work, though. Not always easy.
- Robert Scoble
Respect to you, Mr. Scoble, for using the pen like a sword, and honoring the power of words at the same time.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
Doing that I will not see them but they will be there for the rest ,,,we can add an abuse function as u can report spam u should report bad comments ,,,maybe I am old fashion but I am sure that we could do better
- Johni Fisher
Johni: if we want the world to change first WE must change. Do you go and read racist materials? I don't. If people are jerks why not delete them from your inflow and keep them from engaging with you? That's how you change the world and signal to everyone that that behavior is not acceptable.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree that we should be the first to delete them but the community that we are part of must know that these users are as bad as they are ...I dont think that its so bad that some one will be out from our community and not just be away from my stream
- Johni Fisher
speaking of racist materials, Robert, did Arrington ever conclude that the TechNigga videos were racist? or does he still have his head up Loren Feldman's ass?
- Karim
Wait. Drought in India? Huh? When?
- Yuvi
Robert, I agree completely. Calling MA a douche or whatever doesn't help one bit. We need to to call him out on what he said, not what we think he is. You know him, better than most of us, so you have an insight into Michael Arrington. The rest of us need to just take a chill pill and if we feel strongly on what he wrote tell him. Other people who know should worry about him as a...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yuvi: that's what she heard. I don't know if it's true but the quality of rice from India has gone way down recently.
- Robert Scoble
Guess I need to go over and retract some of my post since I see now that it wasn't justified some of the stuff I wrote. so BRB :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
:-)
- Johni Fisher
Karim: I don't know what Arrington and Feldman's relationship is at the moment. They used to be friends, though, and, yes, it was an example of Arrington pushing a mob for his own business interests.
- Robert Scoble
"pushing a mob for his own business interests?" two questions. 1) is that what the kids call it these days? 2) aren't you assisting him with this in this thread?
- Karim
Karim: 1. Heh. 2. probably but if I worried about who I was helping I would just stay off the Internet. In general I try to be helpful rather than hurtful. Even against people who have been hurtful to me in the past.
- Robert Scoble
Yuvi: have a look at this http://bit.ly/B72RI . There is an issue of drought going on right now
- Kashif Khan
Robert: reference to bad rice :) i heard that they automated the process and dont pick it by hand anymore. apparently they use machines. maybe this is why the rice doesnt taste as good. Simply the machinery and the farming methods have had an impact on the quality of the rice.
- Paul Rawlings
Paul: that's possible. Whatever is going on with the rice supply it has several kernels that are dark and ruin the coloring of food (my motherinlaw says those are caused by worms inside the rice kernel).
- Robert Scoble
I'd also suggest stop feeding the trolls, Robert. Being helpful is one thing, linking back to Arrington continually is another. Just stop linking; you can talk about him, but links are assertions of authority, relevance, and value. Take that away. You can give him advice on tools w/o also giving him linklove. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
Robert, who, exactly, is it helping to buy into his hyperbole about "mobs" being syphilis or cancer or swine flu? i see how it helps "his own business interests," but i'm not sure why you feel a need to be an enabler.
- Karim
Robert: i can simply say that your mother in law is a very wise woman. damn those worms. lets hit the root of the problem and increase the number of birds so that the worms will be plucked from the soil before entering the rice and hopefully leading to a better quality rice.
- Paul Rawlings
Robert , should we get the FF founders opinion ?
- Johni Fisher
Ken: good point. Karim: I fall for link bait just as often as the next guy. I'm a sucker! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Clark: that's my intent, yes. And TechCrunch is relevant and influential. Even if we say it isn't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: if you do talk to friendfeed, tell them to put a comment button on the bottom of the comment stream. pain in the arse scrolling to the top. i am lazy, and proud of it :)
- Paul Rawlings
agree with you Paul, lets start a mob for getting the comment button under the comment stream. *Grabs pitchfork* Finally a worthy cause :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Paul you can use this link and u can comment with no scrolling http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Johni Fisher
I think the call to calm down and think before you post and the other ones you gave are very good and timely, Robert, and I hope they help. The link-bait-incitement article that prompted it I haven't read and neither will I. I have grown weary with people stirring things up just to get attention.
- WorldofHiglet
Paul click twice on the time stamp to get a window with just that.
- Robert Scoble
U c paul :-) just for u
- Johni Fisher
timestamp. wheres that. i see the bubble icon. come on guys. help me out. i dont want no scrolling action now.
- Paul Rawlings
uhhh didn't know that little trick, thank you Robert very helpful.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Where it says 1 hour ago..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Clark, it's like "professional" wrestling. fixed outcomes, mock combat, web 2.0 version of a carny sideshow. "SEE Stone Cold Leo Laporte blow his top! SEE Arrington call Scoble a mob instigator!" fake punches and elastic floors and people shouting STFU one week, only to kiss and make up the next. i'm just disappointed to see Scoble participating.
- Karim
@Clark @Robert the fact that TC is linked anyway makes no difference, IMO. If you don't change how you act, don't be surprised when things don't change. It's the voting analogy -- "my vote isn't enough to make a difference". Hardly. Votes are what makes the difference. I don't cast my vote for a popular politician just because I know "he'll get plenty of votes anyway". Even if he wins, I don't have to support it. And linking is even more important, b/c it's public. It's YOUR assertion of influence.
- Ken Kennedy
:: sigh :: When people fight on the internet, both sides lose. Internet mobs are just people who never got past the middle school clique thing or the high school "live and breathe drama" thing. Their immaturity is obvious and they are a bore to everyone except themselves.
- Miss Elle
Miss Elle: when you rely on page views for your business model (I don't) then you quickly learn that using these techniques gets you major page views. You might be above it all but most humans aren't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - thank you for posting your list of how to deal with MobFeed and mobs - this is the type of service that is a benefit to the Internet community
- Kathleen Forden
Well put, Robert. Appreciate your thoughts as always.
- Bill Kinney
Late to the thread, but as far as "front of the mob" is concerned I'd go and watch "Milk" again and see how he manages to use mobs to his advantage. (full disclosure: the subject of the film was a cousin on my father's side). On a less serious note -- I'm interested in how to determine which grains of basmati are 'bad.' I thought all were equally delicious...especially with saffron...
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: the bad ones have a dirty look. Blackened on one side.
- Robert Scoble
Ah! The things I can learn from FriendFeed. (shocking that I own -- and use -- a rice cooker, no?)
- Andrew Feinberg
IMHO, online mobs are nothing new. While they're not exactly analogous to flamewars, maybe there's something to be gleaned from what Shirky wrote about the latter: http://www.shirky.com/writing...
- Ryan McCormack
Logic surrenders.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Funny someone mentioned wrestling above. Sort of reminds me of the kayfabe plotlines on WWE. Gotta admit the commentary's getting interesting. So, Robert, how do you outdo an article comparing syphillus and Friendfeed?
- George Hall (Australia)
Actually I'll answer my own question. One could write an article comparing Twitter to pelvic inflamatory disease...which it sort of seems like when you get a day or two of spam bots anyway.
- George Hall (Australia)
Hey, anyone want to see Robert versus Arrington on Raw or Smackdown?
- George Hall (Australia)
What Cristo said (point 8)
- Kevin J Hatton
If I ever want comments to my blog I'll just say I'm quitting FriendFeed. Sure worked for a couple of people this weekend.
Steven Perez, Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom, Iván Abrego and 36 other people liked this
And if I really want comments I'll call FriendFeed a disease on the way out.
- Robert Scoble
...or a mob
- Shevonne
A mob with a disease.
- Robert Scoble
Or call everyone here names.
- Yuvi
I am going then too...over to http://bit.ly/28WFp
- Geek Cowboy
a mob with a disease = zombies
- BryanSchuetz
The same formula if I want comments on my friendfeed
- Kashif Khan
Zombies are cool!
- Yuvi
wow, can't believe Scoble called everyone of Friend Feed "a bunch of zombies."
- BryanSchuetz
Sorry for the cheap plu, just trying to get enough fans to claim a username for my new public fb page
- Geek Cowboy
Bryan: if I had been doing my blog I would have done that for comments.
- Robert Scoble
What happened???
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Who said they are quitting FriendFeed?
- Jim Connolly
Robert: u r better that this. We value ur input and contributution. You will never need any cheap tricks so dont. U r better than that.
- Paul Rawlings
Yeah. it did. Funny thing that.
- Roberto Bonini
Jim: see here for the quitters: http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...
- Robert Scoble
Oh snap, Jason tapped out? :(
- Derrick
Jason's follow up is good: http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...
- Sprague D
My quitting Twitter was one of the best things I could have done for my blog :-)
- Jesse Stay
@prawlings Check your DMs.
just checked. dont have anything new in there or the twitter website hasnt updated yet
- Paul Rawlings
I miss the old days of blogging where the developers ruled. Who is coding and what are you coding?
Susan Beebe, Michael R. Bernstein, Andrés David Aparicio and 47 other people liked this
I'm coding SocialToo and eventually will be working on a pretty cool Wordpress Facebook Connect plugin (expanding the very first one I developed)
- Jesse Stay
Those old days aren't gone, btw ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I'm coding a sex oriented contact site :p
- Per
I'm coding my portfolio website and always working on various graphic designs.
- Sam Goldfield
@Nocebo i WAS coding a PHP framework but gave it up...Learned alot doing it though!
- Per
@Jesse -- Got a mailing list? I'm interested in the WP-FB Connect. :-)
- James (!?)
I'm looking for a coder for a cool new iphone app to give situational business advice. Know anyone good?
- James Watters
just starting on FF integration for us. Someone requested a feature that I'm currently exploring.
- Jerry Schuman
James, not yet, but I should create one. Let me get around to where I can devote some time to it (hopefully soon) and I'll start organizing it. I've got some great ideas that I think would kill any other Facebook Connect plugin out there - also thinking of integrating FriendFeed and possibly eventually Google Wave into the same plugin.
- Jesse Stay
James, have a strategic partner that has done a few iPhone apps now. They're in Costa Rica and are very good.
- Jerry Schuman
piecing together my personal site
- jalbert
Jerry: cool, if you have any info contact on them DM to me? I hate not knowing how to code iphone myself
- James Watters
Working on some nitty gritty in Drupal to showcase local tweets but filter out all the spam.
- Dean Clark
Dean, cool. My other project is sadtweets.com to show an emotionally specific set of twitter feeds, maybe the two could mix
- James Watters
I'm coding a multi-profile openid-centric distributed open source twitter clone which already has more than 5000 downloads. More than 200 of these "tweet networks" have lit up my ping-based "recentralized" search engine. Soon, anyone will be able to get a network just by making an account at http://twitteronia.com :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
I'm coding a real-time social tool for bloggers and blog readers, a browser-based app that can replace google reader/feedly functionality, but works more like twitter/frieendfeed, beeing an effortlessly and easy tool to share your activity stream on the blogosphere. Does that sounds good? :p
- Diego Sana
Continuing to add services to my little web console http://wcons.s3.amazonaws.com/c... as more interesting JSON and JSONP apis become available. Let me know if you know of any other good ones.
- Zachary Poley
I'm coding in php on http://sleepindex.com
- Dennis Goedegebuure
James, yes mine is much more simple. Using it as a great way to get more comfortable with Drupal. Digging around the FeedAPI trying to see the best/fastest way to ignore all the spam tweets. Very small, but useful because we used to have a good local twitter community here we had some Gurus who up.
- Dean Clark
I'm coding a social mapping service on App Engine in Python.
- Mohamed J
I'm working on Feed-buster: http://feed-buster.appspot.com/, an AppEngine service that enables better RSS/ATOM feed media importing into FriendFeed.
- Ivan Zuzak
Dean: I look forward to checking it out. I've followed you.
- James Watters
hmm..widgets for Vodafone using HTML5/CSS/Javascript etc.. :-)
- Dimitris Rakopoulos
an API for Real time train departure info for across Europe...
- Joel Haasnoot
Hah, back to the original post, that's how i feel about Digg, and Twitter. Found the content was always more forward thinking and at the edge.
- Malcolm Bastien
Little time to code with all the tech/internet related bullshit I have to deal with, but there are a number of things in the hopper.. now to find the time.
- Andy Bakun
How about you Robert? :)
- Djordje Lukic
I'm building an asynchronous messaging app/framework that can run workflow-driven enterprise/integration -applications or web apps that need to support complicated (long-running) processes. A bit like BizTalk Server, but simpler to build apps for. Posting data from apps is instantenous (non-blocking) and reliable as a separate gateway-process takes care of collecting/queueing data which is then sent (or pullled) to the actual ESB/BPM -service. Coding with .NET/C#.
- Jemm
from fftogo
I'm replacing Wordpress with a hand built blogging system. And I'm rewriting my stats app. And I'm interning at a place, doing web dev stuff. I'm having fun!
- Yuvi
And yes. Too much fluff :(
- Yuvi
Packet processing for switches and routers. In C and assembly: I know how many instructions the common paths execute. In other words, I'm a complete relic.
- DGentry
I'm coding this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Going to leverage cloud computing for cheap scale and social networks to build a community around the game.
- Jeff Weber
A 3D modeling application in Flex/Papervision3D, VSTS development and iphone dev in my personal time.
- Kamath (नमः)
I'm coding vooices.us which is a way to control web content by phoning the webpage and then using your voice to control tge content
- Paul Rawlings
Cleaning up and augmenting the backend of all of GoldMail's products -- Windows services, SQLServer, web services; working on the desktop WinForms app to add some Facebook integration features. All In .Net.
- RobinDotNet
Also wrote a nifty Outlook Add-In on my own time to enable the users to send GoldMails from Outlook with embedded HTML; our PM likes it so much, we're going to release it as a beta! I was just trying to play around with VSTO and the deployment thereof.
- RobinDotNet
actually: coding an eCommerce site in Drupal + Ubecart + Facebook integration (ajax & json stuff)
- Vincio
I'm building a lightweight gateway to integrate couple of applications. It's based on .NET/C#/WCF.
- Tapio Kulmala
now everyone is coding for the iPhone, hoping to make a lot of money
- Konstantin
I don't remember how to code :(
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Robert, so many developers are busy coding... @steyblind built me http://links.ryansholin.com on a whim; he and @nicksergeant from @lionburger build http://afeedapart.com for An Event Apart in Boston last week. And the same team is almost done building version 2.0 of my Knight News Challenge project, http://reportingon.com Most of that is getting built in Django and hosted at Slicehost.
- Ryan Sholin
I'm working on my FFDirect (wordpress->friendfeed) plugin.
- Panayotis Vryonis
If I had the time I would build a mashup service on top of Google App Engine.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Obviously, I am writing code for YackTrack. That is mostly social media stuff, but I am also getting back into various types of analytics, mostly for work but other stuff too. Of course I was gone for a few hours shopping with the family, and I needed a monitor cable for my new (used) mac mini :) So, yeah, there will be some toying with iphone development.
- Rob Diana
I'm the lead developer of Brandopoly (http://brandopoly.com), a platform that allows businesses to create custom marketing materials in minutes without the use of a design department or expensive software.
- Mark Trapp
Doing it right now on Microsoft's campus, dude. ;)
- l0ckergn0me
There are 60k apps almost now; I'm not coding to iphone to make money, but because it is a unique platform for the kind of app experience I want.
- James Watters
Working on an iPhone app (my 3rd).
- Donald Forth
Don: I'd love to hear about it and learn from your experiences. I've followed now I hope you discuss it.
- James Watters
I am redoing our Prescription Monitoring product's architecture and base classes in C# 3.5 today, and is also working on a Photo Lineup Wizard
- RAPatton
I'm coding my own blog & website (Drupal), hopefully other websites soon, & various Linux Softwares including a social media one (multi-platform) ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I am coding a bunch of A-life sims with processing, trying to migrate a site to the Typo3 CMS (which is huge) and coding bespoke site plugins for a Joomla user.
- dannystaple
film
- michael sean wright
I use MATLAB to model systems that enable other people to go make science.
- James Myatt
I think I'll hack some embedded code for my light painting today. I take the honorific seriously of being the only person who has to put away the assembler code to go off and photograph naked women.
- Wirehead
Lukic: I am a copy-and-paste programmer! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I recently made a twitter specific tokenizer. rips words, links, and @ addresses out of a tweet stream as fast as possible. Now to figure out what to do with it....
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Just launched a new version of au.reachout.com running on Rails. Today are some enhancements to an old client project running PHP/CodeIgniter.
- Toby Hede
Upcoming project will be using Erlang and Nitrogen, and my play time is spent with HTML Canvas, JQuery, Processing and Burst.
- Toby Hede
Building an iPhone app, of course. Not going to say what it is yet, but hopefully it'll be finished in the next couple weeks. I think you'll dig it, Scoble.
- Aaron Brethorst
Working on a side project that I think could be a very unique approach to solving many problems that most 'normal casual users' face on the internet. I hope it can also hold its own to the power users as well but not my initial target (though I'm afraid the power users will turn into the early adopters). Feels like I'm building a Death Star some nights...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It's a secret
- Mistletoe Glen
no time to write all the stuff i'm coding... at least the stuff that isn't secret :-)
- Charles Ying
built a twitter file sharing app late one night last week. a throwback to FTP. http://tweetFTP.com. actually looking for small group of test users.
- sull
Sull: Very smart app. Would all of you please rule blogging again? I am CSS/HTML/PHP, but off to school to learn more of the above.
- E-Advocate Network
Of course something fancy with JavaScript in a mobile context, but I have to admit that my developer focus has shifted ...
- bishoph
Developers aren't gone at all, just look at FF, Twitter, FB, and the zlllions of third party apps for them
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
I am writing an application that sends SMS messages from excel spreadsheet. Like mail merge with SMS as an output.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
I am working on porting some of my existing Windows apps to *nix...Mac will be next.
- April Russo (app103)
Habari, core, plugins, and themes.
- Michael C. Harris
trying to only use copy/paste as model to build very functional blogs e.g. http://www.jeroendemiranda.com - I like the WP2.8 / Thesis combo very much; 'TS custom widgets' (idea taken from http://www.building43.com/site-cr... !) and new WP widget setup allows for quasi subsites within my blog (different set of widgets/plugins displayed on various catagory pages). Still need my coding background when problems arise; e.g. memory errors in WP ;-)
- Jeroen De Miranda
advantage of the copy/paste model of buidling websites and weblogs is that this enables much higher productivity when building very useful and functional sites. My target still is to build a fully functional blog 1 1 working day tops (including CSS; setting up all plugins, RSS, feedburner, Friendfeed, twitter, js-kit, ...). Now playing around with SVN and http://www.liquibase.com for easier database upgrading and enabling better OTAP support (especially for the wp-options table)
- Jeroen De Miranda
I am writing a collaborative Timeline project for World War Two and the Napoleonic Wars (going to add other projects later on). I also mashup Google Maps and the Patrick O'Brian Napoleonic Age of Sail Books (Master and Commander). http://www.cannonade.net
- Tom Horn
Tom: I'm really interested by the Napoleonic Wars's timeline. Congrats for this brilliant idea ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thanks very much. I have only recently got the user contribution stuff going, but I have high hopes for the system collecting some great user data. My motivation was basically that the volume of information for World War Two was too much for one person to enter (ie me), so a friend suggested a community mode.
- Tom Horn
Working on a script to send database updates from one server to another server via CURL in PHP.
- Bari Hossain
Actually, not gone yet, started as Developer, moved to management Oracle and Adobe, and back to coding (www.intellijuris.com)! Refreshing believe me!
- Jeremy Chone
Working on a modular magazine-ish theme for Habari using soon to be added features to the theme engine, think WP widgets for grown ups.
- Michael B
Coding an app that conforms to Apple's HTTP live streaming spec and will be able to push live streaming content to Amazon S3.
- Carson McDonald
I am coding a firefox add-on called Omture [ http://www.omture.com ]
- Arvind
Right now, a Drupal/Flex fashion ecommerce site
- Mo Kargas
I am coding ColdFusion on several projects, as well as playing with Jquery and other JS libraries.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Building a video codec to handle low-bandwidth streaming of three-dimensional works. The color distortion caused by sites like youtube mutates the effect and can lead to motion sickness, headaches, and general lack of enjoyment. :P
- Connor Towle
Right now I am coding a game for children with learning disabilities. As soon as that is done, I'll get back to the second version of our in-house time-tracking app.
- Andrés David Aparicio
I'm working on Python web apps (large on App Engine) using Zope technologies and libraries. I don't want to talk about the specific apps I'm working on right now, but you can see a few I've released publicly here: http://www.webappwednesday.com
- Michael R. Bernstein
The Apprentice Final - Live Chat on FriendFeed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprent... #friendfeed #apprentice _GG72
Paul Kinlan, Alistair (alpinefolk), Emma and 5 other people liked this
Just in case anyone wants to chat. Starts in 5mins on BBC1.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kate to win for me, Yasmina should really go back to her own business.
- Kol Tregaskes
If it wasn't for Yasmina's business I wouldn't mind either of them to win.
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't mind about Yasmina's business.... in fact I think it is a good thing
- Paul Kinlan
I really just don't like Ben, I think he should have gone a lot earlier
- Paul Kinlan
I think Kate's idea is better atm. Yasmina's is limiting to men only and could be dangerous.
- Kol Tregaskes
liking kates idea better. needs a decent name
- Paul Rawlings
Any suggestions for choc names? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
tempatation :)
- Paul Rawlings
pure class
- Paul Rawlings
£13 is high priced though.
- Kol Tregaskes
in thortons, boxes can be £25+
- Paul Rawlings
How much is a normal box of chocolates?
- Kol Tregaskes
Oh OK.
- Kol Tregaskes
quite expensive
- Paul Kinlan
I have seen mr rawlings pick up a £25 box only to put it down once he realised the price
- Paul Kinlan
LOL.
- Kol Tregaskes
If it is not miniature heros they aren't chocolates
- Paul Kinlan
yeah, the £15 box was better value. Says the guy Paul Kinlan who did exactly the same
- Paul Rawlings
Paul wows the ladies with his bar of dairy milk. last of the big spenders
- Paul Rawlings
haha, if I could get away with buying penny sweets I would :)
- Paul Kinlan
Don't like Kate's box, no, no, no.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think Kate has failed already. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
It does look poor. There is a reason why the others got fired, why would you want them helping you?
- Paul Kinlan
The Yasmina's name, very cool.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yasmina's should have had a soft inside for their "explosion". :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
where the hell did they get the actors from. classic spitting choclate out
- Paul Rawlings
Oops.
- Kol Tregaskes
Time to vote: Who do you think has won? #apprentice
- Paul Kinlan
even the second video shoot looks crap
- Paul Rawlings
looks like she has crap round her mouth
- Paul Rawlings
Kate's advert is getting silly, no.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kinners, chcoclate round her mouth after eating a choclate bar reminds me of you
- Paul Rawlings
Gosh, no idea. Both have good and bad things.
- Kol Tregaskes
Rawlers... so your implying I tied you up and put a strawberry in your mouth?
- Paul Kinlan
The location of the presentations looks really cool tho. Very atmospheric
- Paul Rawlings
I think it is quite close at the moment... both pretty bad
- Paul Kinlan
Kinners, only in your dreams
- Paul Rawlings
man.... I think Kate has won... if they are tasting them
- Paul Kinlan
Yep maybe.
- Kol Tregaskes
£13 for chocolates i dont think is too bad a price. Advert is cheesy as hell
- Paul Rawlings
Good-ish advert.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adverts with a bit of humor and a slight twist always seem to be the best. They like the chocolates. Winner.
- Paul Rawlings
Good presentation.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think you're right.
- Kol Tregaskes
She is getting flustered
- Paul Rawlings
I'm cringing!!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Alan sugar looked like he was chewing a bee.
- Paul Kinlan
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Presentation is crap. Alan always looks like that dude.
- Paul Rawlings
The box is great and possibly the price but the rest is not looking good.
- Kol Tregaskes
Pricing is cheaper tho and box might be better. Advert is shocking. :)
- Paul Rawlings
Good advert.
- Kol Tregaskes
I actually like the advert
- Paul Kinlan
Here come the questions... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I knew Paul Kinlan you wouldnt get my SHOCKING joke about the advert
- Paul Rawlings
Not my kind of show, but I guess Alan Sugar is the UK's answer to Donald Trump. Mind you I still remember that crap hi-fi I bought 30 years ago. Served me right to buy Amstrad!
- Ian May
I did get the joke but it wasn't funny
- Paul Kinlan
That didn't go as bad as I thought it might have done.
- Kol Tregaskes
Haha, Ian. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, what do you think now? Kate or Yasmina?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kate to win, surely? At least on the basis of the final!
- Martin Bryant
I would say so.
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure... probably kate
- Paul Kinlan
bets on kate
- Paul Rawlings
did you notice mona and nura (if that is how you spell it) weren't there.
- Paul Kinlan
OK.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nope, there were 15 at the start.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm backing Kate, purely from a pov that if I had to work with one of them, I reckon she'd be easier to get on with.
- alison gow
erm. Not that I'm hoping to *ever* work with either of them...
- alison gow
"shocking chocolates", LOL
- Kol Tregaskes
lol, I am the other way around, I think yasmina would be easier to get on with.
- Paul Kinlan
moment of truth.
- Paul Rawlings
Still think it's Kate but very close. Either could be the apprentice.
- Kol Tregaskes
Here we go.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nooo!
- Kol Tregaskes
I said Yasmina
- Paul Kinlan
Yasmeena, always knew it wud be. lol
- Paul Rawlings
He's made a mistake.
- Kol Tregaskes
I hope Alan hires Kate anyway, he's done it in the past.
- Kol Tregaskes
Very brave to hire anyone with such scary thin lips.
- alison gow
Didn't see the final, but I've seen some of the previous episodes. I thought that both Kate and Yasmina were both great candidates and I don't think I could have chosen between them. I thought that Kate was more likeable early on, but I thought that Yasmina was probably the smartest. They also have the added advantage of being good window dressing.
- James Myatt
Tweebay Offers A Rudimentary eBay For Twitter - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Much prefer this authentication method to giving your Twitter login/pw to a third party! Good thinking Paul!
- Vero Pepperrell
thanks vero. this method of auth is miles better and shows what can be achieved with twitter.
- Paul Rawlings
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