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NSFW: Daughter Of Resigned GM CEO Attacks New GM CEO On Facebook - Ed Whitacre - Jalopnik - http://jalopnik.com/5416549...
Chieze Okoye, Slavomira Vladimirova, Kol Tregaskes and 15 other people liked this
Classy.
- Rochelle
my kind of classy bitch. such a way with the all caps words....very sexy....
- Morgan
i've never been called a piece of SHIFT before....
- Morgan
Well, if she says so...
- John (bird whisperer)
very L very O very L
- Eric
lolz
- Chris Heath
AWESOME! BeeATCH.
- AJ Batac :)
ROTFLMAO!!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I AM TOTALLY UNFRIENDING YOU GM!
- Anthony Citrano
Awesome.
urdumania1, Garin Kilpatrick, China Internet Rumors and 118 other people liked this
hahahaha
- MG Siegler
haha
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I've been having fun watching the Facebook employees do that today as well - lol
- Jesse Stay
Is there a group "I Just plain hate Facebook"? I'd like to join.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scary thing is I think a lot of people are actually taking that group seriously.
- Tony Miller
Hhahhahaha!!!
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
laugh out loud.
- Micah
LOL!! Yes they are, Tony - that makes it so much better. :->
- Kurt Starnes
It's killing me - check it out :-> http://www.facebook.com/search...
- Kurt Starnes
I just love how some people have joined, completely ignoring the description of the group and showing the type of people they really are. I don't *love* the changes, but I will get used to them and someday soon I will not even remember the old way it was done. Change is good... long live change!
- travispuk
hahha that is too funny!! :D
- Susan Beebe
Classy!
- Tyson Key
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
I HATE THE NEW FACEBOOK HOME PAGE, UNTIL ITS NEXT FACELIFT, AFTER WHICH I WILL BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PERFECT THIS LAYOUT WAS.
- Rebecca Sun
Yes, Rebecca, exactly. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Touché Facebook Employees, Touché.
- Navarr
ahahahaha:D
- Beybin Esen
Try http://lite.facebook.com/opozo, the simple the better, but not simpler.
- Orlando Pozo
openff.org webdesign concept... (1280 px wide so click through to view fullsize ) / post additional features you think are needed for the home page here!
Berker Peksag, Ozan Caglargil, Ruben Sanchez and 43 other people liked this
1. a 2 min intro video so people can watch it and know what the hell we are about
- vijay
2. Participation panel with 3 actions: join the team / donate / spread the word
- vijay
3. Latest News panel: I would suggest this to be the friendfeed embed widget for the "openff" group.
- vijay
4. Top Dev panel: Shows most active contributors according to pointers along with their latest twitter updates. The one thing our project can offer is lots of attention for our devs so promoting active devs on a leaderboard is a good way to keep the activity up and running. ( Right now, I'm calling it "dev" board for lack of a nicer shortner name but the final leaderboard will include ALL contributors including non-devs. )
- vijay
5. Scroll Alert: At the right bottom is a small msg that shows up when the viewer still has some scrolling to do on the page warning them that there is MORE content on the page that is available for them to view.
- vijay
I haven't added scrollbars to the mockup. But there will be content below the fold as always.
- vijay
i think the video should be embedded within the page.. but i guess thats the case when the page goes live.
- Gtp19
yep, video will be a pop up overlay as usual. The page behaves the usual way sites these days display content, nothing extraordinary.
- vijay
Very classy. I wonder how it'd map to a "physical" website, though.
- Tyson Key
This is fixed width layout; viewable from 1024 upwards Jason.
- vijay
it's no big deal Jason lol! :D
- vijay
ask me and I answer if I know it. As simple as that. :D
- vijay
Very nice! I can help htmlize it if you want, let me know!
- Jeremy
definitely Jeremy! I'm not a programmer so that is a big help for all of us. Thanks! :D
- vijay
Well when you have something complete just DM me the link to the PSD and I will do my best!
- Jeremy
sure Jeremy, will do :D
- vijay
looks good vijay
- AJ Batac :)
thanks AJB : )
- vijay
i like the design very much. clean interface, nice colors, easy on the eyes. very good!
- Nik
It's a sexier Facebook.
- Vezquex
I think one reason for the relatively low numbers of friendfeed users was that people were uncertain as to how to use it and what value it provided over other web sites. In addition to the intro video, something like the "What can you use it for?" text on the current FF home page is needed but better written and making a more compelling case for signing up.
- Rajit
This will end quickly Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
What will be the licence of server software ? GPL 3 ?
- Thierry Lhôte
sigh. there's gonna be a license flame war. I'll simply say: -1 to GPL
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
So what License ? Apache ? BSD ?
- Thierry Lhôte
for better readability bodytext has to be black (or grey) (just saying...)
- minus-one
it's slightly on a green side here (111,120,108) maybe it's not sRGB...
- minus-one
ah! ok. no probs, I'll fix that up. thanks :D
- vijay
Vij, a sidebar with best of the day entries livestream would be cool...
- Abhishek
that's a good thing to have Abi. Let's add it when we begin the coding.
- vijay
Haven't seen this before. Maybe we'll never need Openff, but if we do, this is gorgeous! Re: sidebar - like the idea functionally, worried another element will crap this up visually. It's so clean the way it is now!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
yeah openff seems dead from where I see it. Though it really was buzzing like a beehive when I started working on this.
- vijay
Indeed. Really nice design.
- Micah
Picking a Twitter winner with Lucky Twit by Kosmix - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Look what domain Google just got... http://dropbox.com/
Kol Tregaskes, Kevin Mohr, Laura Norvig and 6 other people liked this
I think its a bit weird that dropbox themselves have getdropbox.com in the first place..
- Simon Wicks
ye olde corporate domain squatting.
- Joe The Sausage
It's going to be interesting if they use it for Google Storage -> https://www.google.com/account... :)
- AJ Batac :)
Why would they basically steal another company's name though? Seem's a bit, wrong.
- Simon Wicks
when has being wrong ever stopped a large company from doing something questionable?
- Joe The Sausage
They'll acquire it!! :)
- directeur
could be.
- Joe The Sausage
Ooo maybe! I only signed up for it about 30 mins ago, already coming in pretty handy at getting some files off a friend using a shared folder. :)
- Simon Wicks
android dropbox app ppls
- Chris Hofmann
drag and drop storage inside Wave please. -_-
- AJ Batac :)
wave *sigh*
- Simon Wicks
What makes you think Google got this domain? It's not registered to them according to WHOIS and is currently pointing at Go Daddy name servers.
- Tony Ruscoe
tony google is partners with godaddy and is a 404 page of google that might not be promising but still...
- testbeta
Tony > http://blogoscoped.com/forum... :)
- Jérôme
Google does not generally control its DNS via Go Daddy. I'm pretty sure someone just registered this domain and then pointed it at Google's servers.
- Tony Ruscoe
Can someone post a screenshot of what they're seeing on that domain? It's blocked by my company's proxy server due to "Advertisements & Popups" not being allowed (which makes me even more suspicious).
- Tony Ruscoe
it's a 404 page of google there
- testbeta
It may just be a misconfiguration issue by someone at Godaddy. Or somebody is playing tricks on us to led us to believe dropbox.com is now with Google. :-|
- AJ Batac :)
Debunked. I think it's pretty clear that Google does not own that domain. The domain owner is likely pointing it at that server to use Google's AdSense for Domains or something (http://www.google.com/domainp...) but may have been banned. The instructions for that service say to update your DNS so that it points at 216.239.32.21 - i.e. the IP address shown here: http://www.robtex.com/dns...
- Tony Ruscoe
37 Signals Valuation Tops $100 Billion After Bold VC Investment - http://37signals.com/svn...
Marko Đorđevic, Kevin Pruett, Mike Chelen and 17 other people liked this
Win!
- Micah
Is it April 1 yet?
- AJ Batac :)
AJ, They should have launched this on April 0.000000001.
- Micah
CHICAGO—September 24, 2009—37signals is now a $100 billion dollar company, according to a group of investors who have agreed to purchase 0.000000001% of the company in exchange for $1.
- Marko Đorđevic
“When it comes to valuation, making money is a real obstacle. Our profitability has been a real drag on our valuation,” said Mr. Fried. “Once you have profits, it’s impossible to just make stuff up. That’s why we’re switching to a ‘freeconomics’ model. We’ll give away everything for free and let the market speculate about how much money we could make if we wanted to make money. That way, the sky’s the limit!”
- Marko Đorđevic
Daniel Ek: Spotify will kill file-sharing, be a European home-run - http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009...
Jaap Willem, Arijit Das, Iván Abrego and 3 other people liked this
"It’s true to say, without a hint of hyperbole, that 25 year old Daniel Ek’s Spotify has taken the global music industry by storm, including Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg. Even in markets it hasn’t launched in yet (including the US), Spotify is generating a lot of attention and is now valued at €170 million. Music lovers have discovered ways to circumvent regional limitations on the software and are already using the service heralded by some as the future of the music industry. And that suits the music industry just fine, especially since they’ve invested in it. At a Glasshouse event at the Royal College of Physicians in London last night, an assembled throng of the tech business community listened to Ek’s thoughts."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
How the crap can I get a hold of an account!?!? I hate being an American!!!
- Brad Williamson
Brad, wait. ;-) It's supposed to be coming to you guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have an account! but then they made it so you can only have 14 days of travel without going premium. plus i dont think i can get my hands on the iphone app state side... that would take a lot more effort
- Frankie Warren
arrington: Great post by @sethjs From Nothing To Something. How To Get There. http://bit.ly/4yY926 - http://twitter.com/arringt...
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Just checked to be sure. 2 dozen cities. That's it so far. What's the holdup?
- rob
Robert, the reason @foursquare is as big as it is, is because of Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
ROFL - it's third life that's all :p
- DC Crowley
@Rob, its a new product. Give it time. @Scoble, 4square is pigggybacking off of Twitter, I doubt that they will overtake the host, even though it will become very popular in urban areas.
- Alex Wilhelm
Mona: I don't agree. It has very little to do with Twitter. And, anyway, most of the same folks who used Twitter back in 2006 are on it. So, it's tracking Twitter very closely, at least with the early adopter community.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble, but is the appeal as large? Perhaps if they spread it to more platforms, and create a simpler check in process.
- Alex Wilhelm
Alex: the check in process is pretty nice. When you are in a city that's on the map and when your location is there already. That's the early-adopter problem. We're building out the system for them. Now that they have funding I bet they can get the resources to turn on more cities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - the reason people get so competitive and continuously check in, is because it is on display for all to see on Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Holden: pure adoption, nothing else.
- Robert Scoble
Mona: not true. I haven't sent a single checkin to Twitter. And I LOVE checking in. Very addicted.
- Robert Scoble
My timeline is FILLED with Foursquare smack talk lol.
- Mona Nomura
@Scoble, indeed. If they had more locations already existing, they would double their growth. @Holden, similar concepts. Do something small, and broadcast to a lot of people. @mona my iPhone is constantly spammed.
- Alex Wilhelm
@holden, get with it, what decade do you think it is?
- Alex Wilhelm
Holden: Foursquare to get official Windows Mobile app in weeks http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7350
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@mark, dont encourage him.
- Alex Wilhelm
I'm very bullish on Foursquare. It's about as addictive as Twitter and much more compelling than BrightKite. The Twitter connection is not particularly important to me.
- Leo Laporte
I don't get foursquare. But I'm 30something, so I don't think I'm anywhere close to the target demographic, the trendy-hipster-goes-out-every-night-18-20something. For the record, I also don't get people who check in on FS when they arrive at work *each day* (and thankfully, since wising up, I don't get their updates anymore either). My life pretty much equals work (er, don't need...
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- Adam Lasnik
it seems to be for US people only ...
- Steph (sh_skew)
Steph: that problem will eventually be taken care of now that they got funding.
- Robert Scoble
Adam: you sound like a lot of my friends when I started showing them Twitter back in 2006. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You make a good point, though, Robert. There's nothing stopping Twitter from implementing the same feature set, except for their own reluctance to expand their capabilities. Twitter's current "success" will likely freeze them in place.
- Leo Laporte
the fact that twitter was misunderstood but became successful doesn't mean any new company that is a bit odd will be successful. come on scoble
- Mark
Mark: sorry, when 1,000 early adopters friend me on a new service something is happening that CAN NOT be ignored. Foursquare is the real deal and is going to go all the way. I'm addicted and that doesn't happen very often. Last time it did the company sold for $50 million and that was considered a failure.
- Robert Scoble
@Alex I get it's new, doesn't matter. So is every other app in the field, and many manage to work anywhere. @Robert, how many friends do you have on dopplr?
- rob
rob: about the same number, but growing a lot slower than Foursquare. Dopplr also isn't a game, isn't addictive the way Foursquare is, and hasn't gotten many people hot and bothered the way Foursquare has.
- Robert Scoble
Looks cool, but not in Reno yet.
- Kevin Arth
Robert, clearly you are more young-at-heart than I am :D. And frankly, I still am not very excited about Twitter, either, despite having 2200 followers. I pipe my updates to Twitter from FF but halfheartedly, and haven't read through my stream regularly in over a year. I don't need more inputs in my life, I need more outputs. And to continue my curmudgeonly and slightly hypocritical...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: that is true, but how many people can write a book or do something longer? I can, but I have to admit I hate the process. No interaction. I far prefer putting a little burp out into the Internet and then seeing what happens to doing something bigger.
- Robert Scoble
Creating is creating. It's foolish to insist on any particular form. It's all just participation in life. Far more people aren't participating in any way.
- Leo Laporte
I am curious, but like Steph I'm not in the US, so I will have to wait.
- Sean Carmody
"something bigger"... what, Robert? I'm not being sarcastic. What "bigger" comes out from these interactions? Often when pondering this, I see this blips of expression as equivalent to mast^H masticating cheetos. Feels good when doing it, but doesn't feel fulfilling long term. And I think anyone can write a book and anyone can cook :). More broadly, New Year's is coming up. How many...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: I can see both a scenario where Foursquare has more usage time as well as another scenario where Foursquare makes more money than Twitter. Why? Businesses pay to satisfy intent. Walking into a place is a powerful intent signaler. For instance, if I'm walking into Starbucks you betcha I intend to buy a coffee. Now, what if you walk into a real estate office? Don't you think competitors would LOVE to entice you to walk about and into their business? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
George: not true. I live in a small town in a rural area and it's very addictive. They will be adding more cities soon. I agree that's a big problem, but they did that to keep growth down so they wouldn't hit Twitter's downtime problems. I think that's smart.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree with you 100% about the importance and opportunity of location-based-options, I'll give you that much! :)
- Adam Lasnik
Non-American (Rest of the world) user base of Twitter has increased from 38% to 58%. More than half of Twitter users are outside the US. Just saying. Foursquare is limited by its geography.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Foursquare isn't really covering the US that well. Unless of course you assume there are only 20 some odd cities here. For the rest of us, we have to choose the best or closest location? It's not useful if you can't find others nearby. Oh, and in case someone didn't notice, there are 2 locations listed for outside of the US. Vancouver and Amsterdam. It definitely has potential and for...
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- Sheryl
That's my thought too that FourSquare, LBS and even "hyperlocal" sites are limited by its geography. So far, I haven't seen anything online that is intended to be hyperlocal be a major success outside of the major DMAs (not counting stores). For example, I live in the Hartford area so you'd think we'd catch the NYC/Boston wave but it never does (to date). If they can't reach Hartford with success, how are these services going to hit mid-America?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been trying to explain FourSquare's importance to local businesses a lot lately, and this photo (from the Marsh Cafe in San Francisco) generally makes the best case: http://www.flickr.com/photos.... Once people see that, the lights start to go on.
- Darren Barefoot
no. foursquare will not be bigger than twitter. it does not have the universal reach or appeal.
- jbrotherlove
jbrotherlove: Twitter doesn't have universal reach or appeal yet either. So far out of seven billion people 45 million are on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
People are totally missing the point: given the time Robert spends on Twitter / FriendFeed / YouNameIT, how come the Scoble's are having a baby again? :-) Congrats!
- Zoli Erdos
I'll wait until Foursquare is actually available in most places. If it falls to the wayside, and it probably will, it's because most people in the world can't even get access to it. Twitter is universal; Foursquare is only available in select few cities.
- Carlton Prest
Limited geographies, slower and more limited take-up of location-based services (the creepy factor, among other issues), juvenile game structure. I really don't see broad and sustained appeal.
- Tinfoil 2.0
nope
- Ouriel Ohayon
I'm not sure I see any immediate value to #FourSquare for most people if it's not available in full strength everywhere. Sure, it's undoubtedly fantastic for people in NY — but I'm not there.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Congratulations to Aaron and the Mint team! - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
David Berrebi, Friendfeed's Francisco, Charlie Anzman and 35 other people liked this
"Today, exactly two years after launching at TechCrunch40, I’m excited to announce that Mint.com has signed a definitive agreement to be acquired by Intuit for about $170m. ... Mint was built in the Silicon Valley way. It started in my apartment, with Matt Snider and Poornima Vijayashanker. We interviewed the first real “professional,” our VP of Engineering, David Michaels in our kitchen."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
@maxxt: I'm afraid it would take it too long for services like mint.com to become popular in Russia. People will not entrust a start up with bank account information....
- DS
my emotional response to this is like when yahoo bought flickr... although I understand mint got much more money... but still as an early customer it feels like from people who cared about what they were doing all my sensitive information was sold to an evil corporation.. even understanding that most of the companies are founded to be at some point sold to another doesn't really help (and yeah, I'm glad for Aaron)
- earlyadopter
Aaron and the Mint team will most likely benefit from this acquisition but I am not yet sure the Mint users will. Hope Intuit/Mint will prove me wrong...
- Philippe
So, Mint was worth more than 3 times Friendfeed.
- Vezquex
My heart goes out to the poor suckers whose accounts are listed on Mint for the buzzards at Intuit to feast on and sell! sucker!
- earl wallace
from twhirl
I cancled my Mint account as soon as i heard the news.
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
@johnafogarty4: wasn't it a little too late? or your expectation they did not transfer customers database yet, and woudn't for those who canceled their accounts?
- earlyadopter
Hard to get excited about iTunes updates when Spotify has basically everything, streaming, instantly. Not that I would know, of course.
Kevin Pruett, Sonya Smith, Charley M and 3 other people liked this
Agreed, after using Spotify these announcements seem petty
- Jesse Stay
How to publish and receive blog posts in Real-time - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Jose M Pelaez, Ahad Bokhari, Danny Raines and 2 other people liked this
How to Build a Popularity Algorithm You can be Proud of - http://blog.linkibol.com/post...
Kevin Pruett, Nathaniel Thurston, Meryn Stol and 2 other people liked this
Discussion and dissection of various ranking algorithms.
- Michael R. Bernstein
isn't personalized reputation to the user crucial to prevent vote stuffing by untrusted parties and spammers?
- Mike Chelen
Not necessarily. Although reputation can be very helpful for global ranking systems as described here, there are other approaches. For example 'collaborative filtering' gives you results based on other users that voted like you did (Netflix is a good example). In that scenario, spamming only gives the spammer cockeyed results, even without reputation per se.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Radiohead Guitarist: MP3 Is Good Enough - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Arda Çetin, Kol Tregaskes, DB - Just DB and 13 other people liked this
"Said Greenwood, "We had a few complaints that the MP3s of our last record weren't encoded at a high enough rate. Some even suggested we should have used FLACs, but if you even know what one of those is, and have strong opinions on them, you're already lost to the world of high fidelity and have probably spent far too much money on your speaker-stands.""
- Brad Williamson
from Bookmarklet
The MP3 format will be "good enough" until it makes sense to download larger files because our hard drives are able to store more information than our brains. I'm ready for that to happen, so I can get my hands on some quality audio for once in a long time.
- Brad Williamson
AHAHAHAHA! Your first extracted quote is funny. That's great. I may have to start listening to Radiohead now.
- Vicarbott
Whuh WHAT!? You haven't been listening to them!? Come on now! Get with the program! Download all their stuff IMMEDIATELY!
- Brad Williamson
Funnily enough I think this is the first interesting thing that anyone Radiohead ever said ... never cared for them, never will. But he has a point :P
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
I love Radiohead. 15 step, Karma police and Videotape are my favorite Radiohead song's.
- ★ Soner Gönül
Nice choices Soner ;-) I hate to admit it, but I first became a legitimate fan of the band after In Rainbows. I should have been on the bandwagon MUCH SOONER.
- Brad Williamson
Radiohead is amazing. What Greenwood said is hilarious and he makes a good point, but even so I would like FLAC.
- Harrison Powers
i hate commercials that start with "imagine a world" - hey i'm the consumer. dont make me imagine shit. just do it.
Linda Lawrey, Angel Galloway, anna sauce and 21 other people liked this
So... Nike then?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Or when a line begins with "Introducing...". Sentences really should never begin with a verb ending in "ing".
- Josh Haley
LMAO!
- Rah-PM 2012
Josh: "Brushing your teeth twice a day helps reduce potential for cavities."
- Louis Gray
We used to think tooth decay was caused by S. Mutans, a new study out of Stanford blames tooth decay on Drew's cancer.
- Greg Birch
Louis, I'll let that one slide. I think I am more specifically against the word "Introducing" in ads. I mean, it's not a person. And most ads are new things, so it's redundant and stupid, maybe even condescending. Just say, "Dayum, this stuff is great! Buy some!" and be done. I am such a marketer, huh.
- Josh Haley
How about "In a world" ... (my favorite example is the trailer for Seinfeld's Comedian movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch... )
- Jason Clarke
A Bluetooth Headset You Can Wear As A Ring? | Manolith - http://www.manolith.com/2009...
Kevin Pruett, Susan Beebe, Matt Kurio and 13 other people liked this
cool, not cool?
- sean percival
Very cool. But it can't be one-size-fits-all right?
- Andre P. Siregar
needs to come in black too
- sean percival
Needs to be available now.
- Andy Bakun
Cool use of Microsoft Surface table at Gnomedex - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Хитрожёлтый индеец, siva s, Ankit Ahuja and 15 other people liked this
this will bring back the "table" gaming experience. It'll be cool to play Monopoly on steroids with this, or RPG games, omg.
- Gubatron
This is what we call "Card Sex."
- Robert Scoble
When I see so much people gathered around a demo, it reminds me of how people gathered around Steve & Steve with their first Apple computer (at least as in Pirates of Sillicon Valley). This technology let's hope it'll one day have a price like that of a TV and that everyone can have one of these in the living room. Good bye coffee tables.
- Gubatron
Instead of having tea.. I will spend my whole evening playing with the table.. :)
- Hameedullah Khan
Card sex :)
- The Comic Project
It's a great pickup line. Well, at least it worked at Gnomedex. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I've look at those and it seems like you could replace 95% of the apps they run on them with a random iPhone game you would have more fun on it.
- Sam Pullara
danielpunkass: Incredibly cool video via @donmelton. Holy cow. http://www.vimeo.com/6223439 - http://twitter.com/danielp...
Alan Morris, Yvette Ferry, Kevin Pruett and 2 other people liked this
Rework: Unveiling the cover - (37signals) - http://37signals.com/svn...
Charleno Pires, Kevin Pruett, Melanie Reed and Playing Well with Others liked this
I like this Zee. This has been a conversation I've been having for some time. It's one of the reasons, we would never have coined the word "Masterpiece" in our century.
- Melanie Reed
Of course the "fighting" and "emulating drug dealers" falls into the "definitely questionable" category. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Getting Real was amazing...I'm definitely looking forward to Rework
- Kevin Pruett
I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:
immaterial, Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど, deceth and 276 other people liked this
He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I like how this is starting
- Robert DeBord
o0o0o0
- Mark
as its own service?
- Lee
you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death
- Mark
That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember)
- RobinDotNet
A promise is not a guarantee.
- Amit Morson
Such a tease, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
Soon.
- Louis Gray
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva
That was a great post Louis
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Stable Door and Horse comes to mind.
- Kevin J Hatton
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Robert, What about death and taxes?
- RobinDotNet
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
They didn't want to work for google again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done
- courtney benson
Kinda why they left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social
- Stephen Pickering
It's all wonky and hard to understand
- Stephen Pickering
But GR is going in that direction.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
Louis, hope so.
- Kol Tregaskes
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook = Microsoft 2.0
- scott anderson
Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today!
- Chris Clayton
Hey, Microsoft had a decent run
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick, there is more than smoke.
- Louis Gray
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
"For now". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Throws sheep at Kol
- Louis Gray
Hehe, Louis.
- Kol Tregaskes
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
There has to be an alternative.
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
It was called SocialThing.
- Eric
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down.
- Eric
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
FriendFeed family or real family?
- Mona Nomura
FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking?
- Eric
louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome
- (jeff)isageek
Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean...
- Chris Clayton
Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave is like FF?
- Eric
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Now there is Google Reader.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Life2front has anyone heard of it?
- Eric
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Hehe, it will fly by.
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Well put, Mona!
- Jesse Stay
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva
Wish I was a millionaire like him :/
- Mark
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: engagement.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Good news. Doin' the right thing!
- Rob Schieber
Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!!
- Jose Luis Santos
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
like x1000
- Vezquex
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;)
- Tristan Seligmann
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
FaceFeed. Nom nom nom.
- Marlin Forbes
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
no i didnt know that
- Chris Nwakalo
if so wonderful news
- Ronald
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan
The best things about FriendFeed being declared "dead" by Scoble:
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1. Bots won't come here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't get it
- Shari Weiss
We'll just sit here and twiddle our thumbs.
- Heather Solos
*tap shoes*
- Adam Jackson
We can actually get some peace and quiet around here.
- Adam Reyher
2. Spammers won't come here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
3. Scoble won't come here.
- jef
uh oh hope I didn't sway you :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
*a bot has entered the conversation*
- Byron McCollum
That life after death is much better :-)
- testtest
3. Late adopters will assume it really is dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
No celebs and no ghost writers
- Benjamin Taylor
4. Lame companies will stop developing for it's API.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ploy to avoid Palin Death Panel.
- pourmecoffee
One Gear...Oh that was frightening to see!
- Benjamin Taylor
Nope she posted once and that's it, just like Guy Kawasaki. I don't get why people don't get how fun this is
- Stephen Pickering
5. Celebrities will post once (hi Demi) and then go back to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
FriendFeed can escape the country to avoid taxes now that everyone thinks it's dead
- Gary
Have you really declared it dead? You think FB is going to take the bits they want and dismantle the rest?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
People will get interested in this "dead website" and join it. If not ,people already present here will leave and make it really dead.
- Ashish
To where, Cayman Islands?
- jef
It's BBQ time, Scoble's started drinking
- Stephen Pickering
6. Facebook will have a little more time to copy its best features since Google will assume it is dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't get it.
- Michelle McCormack
I like #5
- shaun mclane
Stephen: I am sober. Not a drink today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What a concept! I'd like to send you a list of things to declare dead ...
- Bill Brandon
from Nambu
Photar, HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Photar: heh!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Michelle: What don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Someone asks the question on Tiny thread "Can we keep Robert Scoble off tinythread?" Scoble shows up and comments - http://a.tinythread.com/2lvfVw9... That made my week Robert.
- Benjamin Taylor
Feel free to add me up! http://friendfeed.com/tomit I'm going to keep using it till it's gone!!!!
- Sullivan
7. Now none of Scoble's followers will come here and muddy up the place.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yes this makes a lot of sense to me and that's why I'm sitting back and ain't goin nowhere.
- Jeunelle Foster
Oh so its like an island, a little haven in the internets
- Stephen Pickering
How many more reasons does he have yet?
- jef
I wiped my shoes at the door. No mud, see?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: I am still thinking of good reasons.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just ate, will go walk dogs now, see if I can follow this thread via iPhone
- Stephen Pickering
Things you call dead haven't yet got the chance to be born.
- Meryn Stol
Shari: what don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company.
- jef
Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?"
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead...
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
making money and being dead are mutually exclusive
- Steve Gillmor
yes I do and yes they are
- Steve Gillmor
and FF is most certainlt NOT dead
- Steve Gillmor
Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it?
- jef
we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts
- Sherry Reynolds
Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better?
- Stephen Pickering
jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Oh, I meant "RSS".
- jef
What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status.
- Mitch
Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it
- Stephen Pickering
I should have clearly pointed "RSS". I wasn't referring to FriendFeed.
- jef
See!, thanks PJ, what do you think so far?
- Stephen Pickering
FF of the living dead....what we need is Jesus....he can resurrect us
- Jeunelle Foster
Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus
- Stephen Pickering
jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg".
- jef
40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread?
- Sherry Reynolds
Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying.
- jef
we are exercising the power of social media, even if it's pointless
- Jeunelle Foster
FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers"
- Stephen Pickering
If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud?
- Steve Gillmor
But Office on the Cloud is still Office, no?
- Stephen Pickering
not so far Stephen. eventually sure. What's the micromessage reader in Office called?
- Steve Gillmor
Hmmmmm, I don't know. I don't use office. Or do you jest? :)
- Stephen Pickering
deadly serious :)
- Steve Gillmor
Sherry: who cares? We are all dead! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What is micromessage reader BTW?
- jef
you're looking at one jef
- Steve Gillmor
If others think it's dead, perhaps that's good - take a look at these http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... and http://friendfeed.com/waltcra... and http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr...
- Bora Zivkovic
You mean you are a piece of software in Office, Steve?
- jef
Damn, must go walk dogs, and don't remember my FriendFeed password so can't log onto it from iPhone
- Stephen Pickering
no jef, FF is a micromessage reader (among other things)
- Steve Gillmor
Okay, then does Office have one in its suite? (Didn't know)
- jef
not that I'm aware of
- Steve Gillmor
feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;)
- jef
Who's doing the mocking? I rebuke them in the name of Jesus
- Jeunelle Foster
not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader.
- Steve Gillmor
Oh, sorry. Missed the one. Thanks!
- jef
The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive.
- Benjamin Taylor
Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does?
- jef
the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement.
- Benjamin Taylor
understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger
- Steve Gillmor
The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community.
- Kathy Fitch
yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill
- Steve Gillmor
Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
So "dead thing" is like "no more innovations from a certain service or product"?
- jef
google RSS is Dead for what I actually said
- Steve Gillmor
sorry RSS Rest in Peace
- Steve Gillmor
You mean Google Reader?
- jef
You did?????
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I use ZGoogle reader almost not at all these days, but that not what I said.
- Steve Gillmor
I did what Roberto
- Steve Gillmor
google as a verb.. Gee, feels like I'm becoming some kinda Troll here. Didn't mean to but, sorry about that anyway.
- jef
you're doing fine, jef. relax
- Steve Gillmor
BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity.
- jef
Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment.
- Nick in Manila
Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after.
- Stephen Pickering
That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good.
- abdellah
So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then?
- jef
Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins.
- Sean Gallagher
Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore.
- Sean Gallagher
However....Friendster? Dead. :D
- Sean Gallagher
@Sean by that definition, punch cards aren't dead. http://www.wired.com/wired... (their site is http://www.cardamation.com/ )
- mjc
Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards.
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Yeah EMI is going to default, as media say.
- jef
:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it
- Johni Fisher
dead or alive who cares.
- Pam Gwenzi
The Create a bundle to share is the first step for the real time RSS that is dead 2
- Johni Fisher
the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up
- Steve Gillmor
bundles should incorporate OPML
- Steve Gillmor
"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on!
- Amy Flynn
wondering when gwave is going to be dead
- Jim Posner
Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up.
- Erik Boles
Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform
- Alberto Saavedra
Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome)
- Technogran
FF..please don't die=(
- ciw
It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has
- Rob Cairns
Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!!
- Billy Warhol
i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Talk, Google Reader, Appetite, All Things Google, TheNextWeb Forum
If you *had* to use Google Reader instead of FriendFeed what would you change about Google Reader? And what are the pros and cons of GReader as it stands now?
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For sure, Google Reader has likes and comments, you can share (reshare) whatever you see in your feeds to your followers and there are groups (well can you view by group though?) but there are no DMs and I'm finding the Comment View very chaotic and annoying, for example, I have to expand the post every time (would prefer at least a bigger preview of the post). What the comments system needs, for me, is AJ's very cool commenting highlighting that is on Cleaner FriendFeed. That helps my FF experience hugely. There is no duplicate detector either and lifestreaming is perhaps not the best. What do you think? #alternativetoFF
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd agree with all of those; they also need to clean up the management of your friends / contacts / groups / etc. The way that stuff interacts with GMail Contacts is still rather chaotic and confusing.
- Tristan Seligmann
S.D. built in Gtalk support would be useful or simply made easy to 'DM' followerrs but perhaps this should be toggleable for each user.
- Kol Tregaskes
A cleaner social interface, so I can manage my contacts, etc. as Tristan said.
- phil baumann
The People You Follow view doesn't have to be the exact same as the Subscriptions view. If that interface could be tweaked to be a bit more socially-conducive, that may help.
- phil baumann
I would like to see my friend's friends.
- Damond Nollan
Agreed. Comment view is a mess. If they could get that cleaned up it would be a nice replacement. gTalk integration would be very cool. I have been adding more and more people to my Google Contacts thanks to Google Voice so it makes a lot of sense to have that contact list be my primary list for friends. That makes GR a particularly interesting FF replacement to me.
- Sean Brady
better comments and grouping of friends...need a lot of work
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, what is the issue with groups? I don't use but curious.
- Damond Nollan
I do agree the comments could be better. I notice that in some cases, they are above the story and in others they are below. I wonder if Google is playing with comments now.
- Damond Nollan
Google's in bed with the CIA collecting your personal data to eventually use against you.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Some are saying Google Reader is almost a Twitter client even - http://www.educer.org/2009...
- phil baumann
sofarsoShawn :)
- phil baumann
I think that post is farrrrrrrr behind the ball with feedly already doing as much, however I see Greader becoming much more like friendfeed with its new social capabilities
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Agree, it's definitely looking more like FF.
- phil baumann
@damond there are nonexistent :-) [friends grouping I mean]
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
GReader needs a My discussions that only focuses on articles I've Starred, Shared, Liked or Emailed. If someone shares an article I've already read, I don't not want it to resurface. I still say Filtering is needed as well. I may want to auto-hide certain keywords. In Peoples Shared items, I may want to filter a certain RSS feed that they like but has nothing to do with me. Basically they need a way to cut some of the noise down.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Dobromir You can group friends in the contact manager, and decide which groups can comment on yr shared items (odd functionality that I don't see a use for). But yr right, no way right now to group the list of "People you follow"
- Chuck Falzone
Import feeds to shared items (e.g. my own twitter feed, my own delicious bookmarks, etc.); add GReader shared item feeds as "people you follow" instead of regular subscription; overhaul public shared items page - allow folks to comment on items from right there, provide a blurb and a link instead of entire shared item; a tool to find contacts from FF/FB/Twitter who are sharing and...
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- Chuck Falzone
I may have missed it above but there is duplicate detection, you will see when multiple friends share the same feed item. I agree with the others on the Comment UI (hard to read, can't tell what you've already read, not sure it's scalable with separate threads on the same item, etc), and Contact management.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I agree with Kol on GReader. Their is potential there, however after having the FF experience it falls far short of what I've grown to expect and want when sharing and commenting on things.
- Bluesun 2600
Damond, you need to use groups if you want your followers to comment on your shares. If there are not in any group they cannot comment.
- Kol Tregaskes
LE,, does the dup detector work in the RSS feeds? And from one folder to another?
- Kol Tregaskes
I notice the dupe detection mainly when I'm viewing All Items, or the aggregate People You Follow.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I think that greader needs groups like here at FF. Some way for articles to share comments with those not being followed by yourself already. Making discovery easier, and discussions more dynamic.
- Bluesun 2600
Groups are there but you cannot view by group yeah. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Can you filter on GReader like we can with FF's saved searches?
- Kol Tregaskes
How about a vanity search on GReader comments?
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm reasonably optimistic... the speed of recent changes indicates to me that the @googlereader team recognizes the opportunity created by FriendFeed's uncertain future and is geared up to make improvements. I don't think it would be a FF on its own, but integrated better with some other Google services it could become quite powerful.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Are there any timestamps on comments?
- Kol Tregaskes
I really wish I didn't need to expand the article in Comments View to show the share/like line. Pointless.
- Kol Tregaskes
One thing I like about the Comment view is that, unlike FriendFeed, is shows more comments before and after the expand link. I wish FF would show at least 2 comments at the bottom of threads. 3 ideally.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes GReader needs a "My Discussions" page. And real-time Comments view.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, you should do a radio show or something and explain all of this... ;-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I rather just blog about it. ;-) Maybe that'll be my first post here: http://ff.im/6DiAr
- Kol Tregaskes
I would make it work like Friendfeed
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
from iPhone
Google Reader is dreadfully slow for mr because I have 1,000+ friends.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
1. As all you guys said, the comment system is too bad: hard to read, hard to update, limited to only your friends. 2.The contents you read are based on random shared items by people you follow rather than on a theme (like ff groups do). This would make me overloaded by irrelevant information. 3. google reader is way far from real-time, e. g. for a subscription of a twitter RSS feed, the lag is significantly noticeable and timestamps in greader are wrong.
- yezi
from fftogo
needs a better visual interface. as it currently is, its too 'busy'
- George Hall (Australia)
from BuddyFeed
They are two totally different things. I don't see how one could replace the other
- Chris Johnston
open, open, open.. currently you have to be in reader to access comments, likes. etc you ONLY get your friends comments, comments don't appear in your shared feed, there is no API, and you can't embed your content (posts, groups or user summary) back on your blog/site to get a single source for comments etc.. oh yeah and the search sucks (compared to friendfeed), you can't search comments. They seem more like a quick "hack-on" instead of an integrated solution!!
- Chris Myles
We need permalinks for our notes, comments and shared items. That's about it :)
- Svartling
See this image that explains how to use Google Reader as friendfeed: http://pingmicro.com/this-im...
- Svartling
svartling.. sorry but I have to strongly disagree!! Yes it *looks* like they have the same functionality.. but it's the subtle differences and lack of flexibility/api that kill it for me!! Maybe if you combined reader with GFC (or Wave) and search you might start. For example.. I'm on a site and I want to see if there is already any activity (comments etc) that I can join in on.. with...
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- Chris Myles
Yes I miss the embed features too. They are really cool. The other things you are talking about I had never used.
- Svartling
Not only are they cool, they are VERY powerful!! I protyped a more flexible Google Friend Connect (GFC) clone in a half a day using post embeds (via the API) and groups.
- Chris Myles
Sounds interesting.
- Svartling
Kevin Pruett uses a model of technology maturity (like the Garrtner Hype Cycle) to describe social media adoption rates. http://www.techsoomer.com/early-a...
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Hitler, holed up in his bunker, just found out about FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook. He's not very happy about it. (Thanks to Matt Mastracci for the idea!)
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
Wonderful! Great work!!
- Peter
awesome job...
- Gus
Thanks, guys. I couldn't have done it without feeling, at a base level, what's lampooned in the video. :-P
- Mark Trapp
I could see that coming...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
"we still got Plurk" *COL* great stuff Mark
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
BRILLIANT.
- abacab
It's hilarious because right at the end when the text is about him going back to Twitter, he's actually talking about putting a bullet in his head.
- abacab
Oh man, that was entirely unintentional, too. I don't think I've ever seen the original subtitles.
- Mark Trapp
Haven't laughed this hard in a looooong time.
- Ginger Makela Riker
epic mark "i even remember what it was like before scoble got here" - me too, good times :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
That was better than I could have imagined.
- Matt M (inactive)
OMG I laughed so hard I cried. Well done sir!
- Mark Krynsky
Well done. and all this time I figured you had no idea who the FFundercats were. Well done! I made all the parallels easily.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
"That is bullshit. I've been a member since the site went public!" - Hilarious! :D
- Meryn Stol
"Don't worry, we still have Plurk." - too funny.
- Meryn Stol
That is f'ing fabulous. Thanks for making me laugh instead of cry.
- Larry Hawes
Too funny! I did wonder if I was going to cry but I managed to make it to the end without losing it. Too bad I can't share this with anyone IRL.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
funny and sad at the same time. only peeps who have been here for the last 2+ years can totally relate. :(
- AJ Batac :)
WHY DOES THAT FAT KID KEEP SHOWING UP IN MY FEED?!#~
- Akiva
What's so funny is I've seen this hitler remix so many times, but I've never seen the real movie it's based on, it will be interesting to see how I'll perceive it.
- Ray Cromwell
the real movie is good
- mike "glemak" dunn
I just saw this on TechCrunch, neat. My favorite comment: "not original - stolen from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... this was posted a few months back after the Blue Bulls won the S14 Rugby championship (Southern hemispheres champions league (soccer equivalent) rugby" http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thanks for putting that together--that was really cool.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Daniel: the TechCrunch comments are great; a community of Buzz Killingtons. Everyone's a historian!
- Mark Trapp
Great work Mark! So many great references.
- Mike Doeff
that was awesome. FFundercats MOW hilarious
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Mark, this is great... Unfortunately after seeing this I am beginning to feel a bit bummed
- Bindu Reddy
Very funny! I think I got most of it, but *alas* I don't know who/what the "Fat Kid" deal was. I must've missed that phase of FF.
- Mark J
Mark: consider yourself lucky. If you really want to know, it's this: http://friendfeed.com/akiva... People have been bumping it for months.
- Mark Trapp
Oh...THAT fat kid. Yes, I'm sorry I asked!
- Mark J
I had to go immediately to the pic of Phoebe Cates... I just had to! http://friendfeed.com/mvanden...
- Mark J
Mark has actually found the silver lining: NONE of us will ever have to see that fat kid again. ;)
- John Craft
AWESOME! Truly awesome.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
That's what you think, John. Sean Haggis has already posted it to Facebook.
- Akiva
I love this so much- great job
- anna sauce
Really well written, and the timing is great.
- anna sauce
This is awesome! Very well written. :-D
- John (bird whisperer)
Mark, you did this? Very creative and funny.
- Myrna
..especially the plurk comment but only people who used plurk and left would get that one.
- Myrna
Myrna: yes I did. Thanks guys for all the great comments: had no idea this would blow up this big.
- Mark Trapp
Almost 16k views already! Nice! :)
- Michael McKean
Clearly an ironic MOW on your behalf.
- Pete D
Classic!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Really well done. Good work.
- Jordan Brock
I'll wait for the Techno Viking remix.
- Andrew Leyden
Thank you for expressing our global angst.
- Robert Miller
Mark let me also say that this is the best thing I've seen in ages. Very well done!
- Andre P. Siregar
Great work Mark
- Mitch
Never thought I'd say this, but... I agree with Hitler. Well done.
- Lo the Baker
like like like like like
- anna sauce
I just realized that you were the assembler of this video. VERY good!
- John E. Bredehoft
After signing the papers :)
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- JCunwired
What's with the fists, Paul? :)
- April Buchheit
congrats Paul
- Zee.
I thought it would make a funny picture April.
- Paul Buchheit
Secret backyard meetings FTW. :)
- EricaJoy
What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:)
- Tomas Remotigue
Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess.
- Paul Buchheit
Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up?
- Andy Bakun
American big business such a formal affair
- Robert Higgins
Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :)
- Brian Chang
Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with.
- Jesse Stay
Must have been exciting, congrats.
- sean percival
Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!!
- Mel Buckpitt
Congrats to you guys!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :)
- Susan Beebe
:-(
- Vicarbott
Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal?
- Mitchell
Mitch, feel free to use the photos.
- Paul Buchheit
where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
SWEET!!! Congratulations!
- Chad Lester
...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this.
- .LAG liked that
Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Congrats and best wishes for the future.
- Jeff Stannard
For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :)
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money!
- blackChinahand
I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too.
- Drea Lester
Congrats!
- CG
Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations.
- Ashish
LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. ->
- Alex Schleber
congratulations! keep the innovation coming...
- ozlubling
VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations to you and your team.
- Maria Niles
just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward!
- xxx xxxxx
Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF.
- Eric Johnson
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :)
- Fenn
Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :)
- Pete D
You've done a great job! You deserve this and more... Congrats!
- Ricardo J. Valle
Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made?
- seman
I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news
- Nayan
Congratulations!
- Made Adi
++Mark
- David Cook
Awesome! Congratulations!
- michael silverton
hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!!
- K.D.
+Lindsey
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders"
- Brad Williamson
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters.
- Jay Cuthrell
I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge?
- Jesse Stay
Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they?
- Jesse Stay
Congratulations to all of you!!
- Steve de Mena
The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers.
- Steve Gillmor
Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en...
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF.
- Martha
We should start a PhotoShop meme on this.
- Ben Hanten
Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air.
- Ben Hanten
++Ben
- David Cook
Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :)
- Chris Loft
Congrats! The hard work paid off
- Becca
Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow.
- Keith Pelczarski
No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicely put, guruvan.
- Anne Bouey
What I wonder is ... a 50-million dollar deal and no one has a camera capable of taking a clear photo? :P
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Congratulations
- SteVe C
@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell.
- Shane Gibbons
LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done.
- Darius Dunlap
This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
Grats. :)
- Joshua Schnell
Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =(
- FFing Enigma
Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive!
- RateBrain
Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne?
- Shane
Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now !
- Mike Schmidt
Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely.
- Ovidiu Predescu
Enjoy!
- Paul Mayne
NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out
- Ric Johnson
Congratulations! :)
- İdris Cin
hayırlı olsun
- Sinan İŞLER
congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move.
- raheel naqvi
Congratulations guys :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!!
- Mohamed J
Hayırlı işler...
- Onur Selek
Congratulations gentlemen!
- Mutimba
Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right".
- Paola Bonomo
shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean!
- Atif UNALDI
Great vibe :)
- Sharel
from FriendFeed API Example
@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Clifford Kennedy
@Clifford, haha LOL.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Bilseydik biz alırdık :)
- Hamdi Yaman
wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place
- MobilAdam
very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva
- Sangeeta Narayan
valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli..
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Who took the pic?
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
@MobilAdam + 1.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Mücahit +1 :D
- Hamdi Yaman
böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin
- Fatih Hayrioğlu
Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler?
- mustafa can
Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over".
- özlem ercan
bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim
- MobilAdam
Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor...
- Zekeriya Pehlivan
tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!!
- muratt
Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46...
- ibrahim özdemir
Congratulations! :)
- Ruben Sanchez
Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :)
- Olcayto Cengiz
Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF.
- frankiecarl
Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time.
- FFing Enigma
@Tina ++++
- Shevonne
wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple
- Thomas Power
MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym
- Joe Dawson
Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still.
- Robert Schultz
Congratulations, Paul!
- Bill Sodeman
Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future.
- David Jagger
this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys!
- Jason Pollock
congratulations guys!
- Liam Daly
congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;)
- Valentina*
L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool?
- Giulia B.
"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!"
- Simon May
Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team.
- Arleen Boyd
congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration!
- Katy Barrilleaux
We better run away!
- Constantine Nicolaou
Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties.
- Volkan Özçelik
the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'.
- Jessie
eew, that causes diseases
- Jim Norris
congrats Paul & evereyone !
- Thomas Mader
Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- j1m
CHA CHING!!!!!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
congrats guys - well done!!!
- Gerd Leonhard
Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns
- frank burns
The worst day for us, but ultimately not the end, many of us thought.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):
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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact.
- Tom Landini
I guess Facebook just got real time search engine!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What do facebook get out of it?
- Ruchit Garg
Fact or fiction?
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before.
- ydfeed
It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material.
- JCunwired
it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook
- Edgar Rodríguez
I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it.
- Derek Shanahan
how much for?
- Ruchit Garg
BAD 'n SAD :((
- sid 【ツ】
Great match to take on the Twitter machine.
- Ryan Cummins
what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....??
- Denis
++Edgar
- Ryan
Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech.
- DGentry
Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Nir Ben Yona
I don't like it
- Jason Hargrove
Bad news, if true.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
How can i shut down my ff account?
- Fotis Alexandrou
I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate
- Bwana ☠
If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time.
- Bora Zivkovic
:(
- Sinem Co
There goes your data.
- Jason Hargrove
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
Whats FriendFeed anyways?
- Marco Horta
so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol
- Than R
How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ?
- Harry Wolff
I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed...
- Torsten Eckert
haha you're right Richard
- Ken Seto
Wow
- Rodfather
I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OMG.
- Nathan Chase
maybe they can implement threads?
- Jeremy Toeman
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
double wow.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Friendbook? Facefeed?
- Jeff Harbert
If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved.
- Costa Walcott
bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping
- Edgar Rodríguez
trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed
- Stuart Miniman
But if it isn't true we would have heard by now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
apprehensive about this
- Liz Polay-Wettengel
Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Brandon Titus
I want to hear the $$$ number
- moo yu
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
@robert no we wouldnt have
- Jeremy Toeman
It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Costa Walcott
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Tom Landini
I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late.
- Harry Wolff
What's looking shiny and new now? :-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it.
- JonSupermurray
Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable.
- Peter Ghosh
Seriously, how can i shut it down?
- Fotis Alexandrou
We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF.
- Antoniu
Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj
- Roger Jennings
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
bad days are coming
- Ahmet Soyata
Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account?
- Alex Knight
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- mary
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it.
- Alejandro
Nir Ben Yona +1
- MugeCerman
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Geeks and fb not a good mach
- thomas elton
from iPhone
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
Twitter dissed again.
- JonSupermurray
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Crap, its official !
- Peter Dawson
This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah!
- Markus Tressl
then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on
- Ingmar
Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Mrinal Desai
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- David Peacock
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If true, congrats to the FF Founders!
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
it's true damn!!!!
- Edgar Rodríguez
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB
- Ryan
This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part.
- chantelle
How Much ? $$$ ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
So, where do we migrate to now?
- Byron McCollum
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
back to the twitter
- emresezgin
I want numbers. how much did facebook pay?
- Zac Bowling
soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- johnny2009
Hum...let's see what happens.
- Chip Hanna
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Its going to be called Facebook.
- DGentry
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- JCunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover*
- Kimberle Kelly
What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's?
- Thom Kennon
what do you think Robert?
- courtney benson
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- JCunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- JCunwired
Please no. I don't like FaceBook...
- Svartling
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- JCunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Boyd
EndFeed.
- Alex Schleber
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l
- paul mooney
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't like it...
- Harry Mahardhika
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
A Google executive told me that something cooler than Wave is yet to come this year. OK now I am interested! But I am tortured. What is it?
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- Keith Barrett
There going to buy friendfeed.
- Shaun Hess
Yea. I feel like your friendfeed pic, not being able to figure what it is.
- Lakshman Prasad
Must be pretty big.. very curious!!
- Allan Jones
Geocities 2.0!
- pourmecoffee
Maybe Google Chrome OS earlier than expected?
- Manuel Mas
I wonder what that could be.
- John (bird whisperer)
So they're already giving up on wave?
- Colin
How can they be advertising something cooler than Wave when Wave isn't even out yet?
- Lise
Colin: no. Wave is very important to Google.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wave 2.0?
- TheHenry
I think I know, but I'm not allowed to say because it would violate an NDA.
- Bryan Bartow
It's Google Surfboard - a wave add-on
- Keith Barrett
Bryan: in that case do you agree?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wave is going to be awesome. Waiting on my sandbox access.. it will redefine communications on the net!
- Tim Hoeck
Or how about Google Wave: Pacific.
- TheHenry
Depends on their implementation of the idea. Personally, I'm more excited about Wave based on what I know about the two, which I admit is very little.
- Bryan Bartow
I have a Wave sandbox, and it IS awesome! The announcement has to be related to the new OS or android
- Keith Barrett
Keith, if it's what I'm talking about then it is neither.
- Bryan Bartow
Bryan: hummmmm. Now I'm more tortured
- Keith Barrett
In the interest of full disclosure, my information is two levels removed from the source. Google -> vendor -> me. Still, I trust the source and when the idea was told to me it sounded very plausible.
- Bryan Bartow
I hope it's Google Base integration with Open Social widgets!
- Mitch
A bit bigger than that, Mitch ;)
- Bryan Bartow
@manuel I just came back from Win7 ship party and i am astonished that how many man years does it take make a OS.
- Ruchit Garg
My team was actually asked to work on the project, but we unfortunately had to decline. It definitely would have been a cool project.
- Bryan Bartow
Ruchit: I understand, just speculating. Yet considering it sounds like a Linux distro running Chrome, it does not sound all that impossible.
- Manuel Mas
Maybe its the ability to call up contacts list when composing a message. That would be groundbreaking. :/
- JCunwired
Google Heath integration with Orkut?
- Mitch
@Bryan: Is it a Netbook with Chrome OS with all the Google Apps built in. Something like a GPad?
- Abhishek Tiwari
Chrome OS wouldn't be a real surprise. Even a Linux distro by Google wouldn't be a shock. Wonder what it could be... hmm...
- ChristianWV
killer than wave??? how many of you think google wave is a path breaking one?????
- hariharan kumar
cool is always relative. I have learned not to get too excited. It may be cool for you but not me.
- Phillip Miller
I think you mean subjective
- Mitch
hate you. :)
- metalerik
What about the Google Docs interface overhaul? http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2009... With the possibilities of GDrive ...
- Kevin Mohr
Google AdSense on the new Coca-Cola Freestye soda dispensers?
- RAD Moose
@Abhishek Nope. Not hardware related if it's what I'm thinking.
- Bryan Bartow
I'd be willing to bet it is mobile-related.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Google shoul create a highly robust social media platform that integrates Google's products: profiles, mail, calendars, chat, voice, picassa, blogger, gReader, search, latitude, maps - that is what I would build :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
add Wave too, of course
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Susan, I think that is happening already, bit by bit. Every month there are new capabilities and integration points. I'm optimistic on that front.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Interactive TV? :P
- imabonehead
I was dreaming about getting access to wave now something new and better?!!!
- Mostafa Lameei
Mostafa: There's always something new and better coming from every front.
- Manuel Mas
Logical - Google product integration has way more potential than they have currently in production now. I see layers of useful and revenue generating features and improvents. The potential roadmap I see for this is highly disruptive and needed.
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
If I had to guess, I would say 1) some type of Youtube Appliance (=Apple TV done right) or 2) Google News 3.0 (shifting from news to a discovery engine). The TV thing is probably bigger and somewhere they have a big competitive advantage with Youtube.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
USB plug in directly to right ear download contents of mental zipper - ready to upload to friends
- PookyMedia
Another big opportunity besides realtime communication is media streaming so my guess is a Silverlight-like (RIA) platform with special focus on adjustments dependent on the device used for consuming and open enough that augmented reality innovations will play nice with current "standard" codecs
- Alberto Saavedra
Google TV!!! Yes!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Google Web Drive would be cooler, in a way..ve.
- Nick Humphries
Antimatter Wave, aka Wavenot™
- ianf ⌘
Google buying FF?!! but something big too big have will for sure have a relation with Google voice.
- abdellah
A time machine?
- Allen Eskelin
"Google buying FF" - Noooooo! It will just get killed like some of the other high profile acquisitions they have made.
- travispuk
@Allen I love the concept, @Travis google killed the app that were at their first stage of development, FF is 85% finished (mean completed) the rest 5% will be user innovation, so even if Google buy FF they will not change a line in the code or the architecture.now who is the firt to like this post?!! what did Greader this week? who from Greader left the office to go to FF? too many question!!
- abdellah
but let be clear, all the above are just speculation.
- abdellah
@Jerome havn't understand what do you mean by Cosmo
- abdellah
I think it's called "hype."
- Carlos Eberhardt
It has to be quantum computing. all computation done outside of time and space.
- Walter Logeman
I'm thinking Google Chrome with Native Client for super fast rendering of web applications (including Wave).
- George Moga
Introducing Google Goo: Making the web squishy, coming late 2009.
- DGentry
Won't be hard to be cooler than Wave. Yes, I'm not a big Wave fan: way too noisy, messy, unusable... Maybe I'll change my mind in the future but for now, I still don't get what we'll do with this stuff and I don't buy the idea.
- Pascal Thivent
Okay, here are my predictions. First, let me say that being cooler than Wave will be quite hard because that's pretty awesome (do you have sandbox access Pascal? Because I'm sure that will change your mind). (1) Google TV - Never mentioned anywhere officially and would definitely be cooler than most others, however VEVO is somewhat similar. (2) GDrive/Cosmo/whatever they call it - would...
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- Californian
Google World Domination?
- Amit Morson
The amount of web-based applications being delivered from Google is amazing. There is so much potential in Google voice apps, Google Wave, which will put their social apps on steroids and now an OS. If they can leverage their brand and fan base into these other verticals; they will be a force to reckoned with and a huge target for anti-trust regulators...
- Mark Harai
Google Cloud. In your pocket, on your desk, embedded ---anywhere, anytime at anyprice.
- Thom Kennon
Wow Thom - that actually does sound VERY cool...
- Mark Harai
I'm interested too!!
- Alex Hammer
Probably something to do with a more direct Windows competition. If you look at Google's recent products, many of them are meant to replace Microsoft products.
- William Mougayar
from iPhone
A multi-platform OS is the only thing in my mind that could top Wave. Can't wait to find out for sure though what this will be!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I bet it's the Gdrive after I've just paid for an extra 10GB storage on Google. Would be cool to be able to access all my files from any google app, so I could add a picture from picassa webalbum or embed a video of mine/ favourited without having to go to the other site and copy a URL. This would set it up nicely for google OS
- Steven Horner
from iPhone
It's a kind of gyro balanced 2-wheel personal transportation device, IT will change everything. The way we live, the way cities are built.
- Ray Cromwell
Crazy. I wonder if it will read my mind and stream content related to my thoughts in real-time.
- Dane
What!? Cooler than Wave. I'll give my left nut to find out what & to be a tester.
- Brian Felix
from iPhone
Whatever it is, I'm sure IT WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE INTERNETS!
- Andy Bakun
It is a Google-branded reality distortion field developed in collaboration with Apple. The reality distortion field prototype is so strong that Eric Schmidt was forced to resign from the Apple board of directors, lest his field encounter that of Steve Jobs reulting in mutual annihilation in a devastating burst of pure energy.
- thegeniusfiles
That's a really interesting idea, Gabe. It seems to go a bit against the drive that Google Apps will reduce the need for IT departments though, so I doubt it.
- Californian
This photo search thing?
- Michael Q Todd
More exciting than Wave. Has got to be Tsunami
- Sidharth Dassani
I am going to unfollow everyone tonight (on Twitter.com/scobleizer) and then will follow only those that @notsecretscoble is. Talk me out of it:
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That will bring me down to 1,000 or so friends and make Twitter useful to me again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
No need to talk you out of it - if that's what you think is the right thing for you then go for it. It didn't hurt you last time you cleared things out.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I love it...its like twitter/friendfeed bankruptcy.
- sean andersen
Hows the weather?
- Brent - Yes I am
By the way is there any way to delete all my DMs too?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
There is no wrong. What's easier? What works for you?
- caj needs a haircut
why talk you out of it?
- Richard Binhammer
Are you going to stop using @notsecretscoble, then?
- Kathy Fitch
Finally turning down the firehose eh? Even with those big a$$ monitors you've got, keeping up with that amount of noise is maddening at times. Are you going to use Jesse's site (http://socialtoo.com/) to nix all your followers?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
up to you, dude. :)
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
How are you planning on unfollowing all those people in a reasonable time frame?
- Alex Knight
Kathy: that won't be needed much but I will keep that as my R&D account.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Alex: I will use SocialToo.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Richard: I just wanted to see if anyone could come up with a good reason not to do that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Haven't you always maintained that it's WHO YOU FOLLOW, not who follows you that matters? Exactly what you are doing by re-tuning the firehose. Will be curious to see if you get bored with a much slower moving river streaming by.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
What are you going to use to watch the patterns in the noise with? An Anon Account?
- BairdWilliamson
Brian: yes but I got distracted by the DM feature which only works if I am following you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yup. DM on Twitter is useless. DM here on the other hand.... Are you going to do the same thing with the 25k you follow here on FF?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Baird: I will still be following 25,000 here. There is plenty of noise in my life.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Brian: here on FF we have groups. I already have a few small groups.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Exactly. Groups and lists make it a LOT easier to manage the noise.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
noop. twitter is just a (narrow) pipe. friendfeed where (my) content aggregates.
- jacek
Robert: Do it!
- Jim Connolly
Do it Robert. I think it will do a lot of good
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I say do it, and I say that as someone you will no longer be following. Thousands upon thousands of people only provide background noise. By the time something bubbles up enough to be noticeable in the feed of that many people, its on techmeme anyway.
- DGentry
You can unfollow me on Twitter. I don't even feed to it from Friendfeed anymore. :)
- caj needs a haircut
DGentry I follow you here anyway.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Feels sort of sad to be getting unfollowed by one of my favorite peeps! :-( But yeah, totally understand
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert: Are you actually going to do it tonight - or is this just a topic for debate?
- Jim Connolly
Do it. Following merely to allow a DM that may very well never come is not worth it.
- Meryn Stol
A man's got to do what a man's got to do. DM Whacker (discovered it today myself), deletes all received and sent DM's..
- Citronella
I have dropped about 200 people today. I like your idea and I agree it might be lead to a movement of quality over quantity. I also think it might wake up the Twitter execs to see that groups and better list management are need.
- Ben Hanten
I am curious, though: I remember about a month ago you said that you follow a ton of people and it was invaluable because you could see trends, etc. What has changed?
- Ben Hanten
How does one mass unfollow? - I was trying to find ways to do that and can't find a way to do that easily.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Use SocialToo
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
robert i have some scripts to delete all DMs, but they appear to be broken now. the new way twitter handles pagination (the more button) makes it difficult
- sean percival
Jennifer: There are a few well known tools you can use to mass-unfollow. One that Jesse Stay @socialtoo developed is supposed to be very good.
- Jim Connolly
where is jesse? i see a future for socialtoo here. create an akismet like system as part of the auto follow. as i get new followers, give them a spam score and only follow back those who pass
- sean percival
Liza: I don't know what Blackberry users can do for FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
your autofollow didn't work on me for some reason, so it doesn't matter to me. in fact, yea unfollow everyone =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
I won't talk you out of it. Who cares? :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I think you should do it, actually.
- Eric Florenzano
from iPhone
I don't even know what twitter is for anymore. I check it sometimes but enjoy reading and sometimes joining the conversation on here much more.
- Aidan Mann
Hey, I don't need Scoble to follow me on Twitter. I've got Kim Kardashian following me on FriendFeed! ;)
- John Craft
I've observed 2 good people go through mass unfollow on Twitter, and they were both happy they did it. Do what works for you, Robert. It's your time. :)
- Veronica Sopher
My only argument is as a news junkie, you'll feel like you're missing something. In reality, you'll eliminate a lot of noise though and miss only "some" things.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm changing my Twitter avatar to a screenshot of my DM box in protest of auto-dms. Hoping others will too.
- Jesse Stay
Sean, SocialToo does offer that - it needs to be improved, and will be. I'm just trying to get time to do it (on a very limited budget).
- Jesse Stay
I say go for it. Change is good. Having two accounts would make one schizo. The times they are a changin' Like @loic said it will fill like taking a shower
- Stephen Pickering
Dont just look at the comments here :-) RT the Tweets http://twitter.com/seanper... and http://twitter.com/Jesse...
- Johni Fisher
Dont do it I only have like 20 followers then. 21 was a good number.
- James Hunter
Either you know how to use the API, or it's going to take you a very long time...
- David Semeria
Great idea! But it sounds like a lot of work. Besides, they're your accounts and it's your name/brand that you're experimenting with. Do whatever you want with it. How are you going to get people to watch a live feed you're doing. Are you shooting for a smaller audience too?
- Michael Fidler
Why not? It's your Twitter account Robert and you don't have to follow everyone who follows you. My Twitter experience improved dramatically when I unfollowed a lot or people and only followed those I like interacting with (mostly from FF or friends IRL) or have a common interest business-wise. Following under 2K made the interaction easier and more interesting.
- Sally Church
Talk you out of it? I'd encourage it
- Keith - @tsudo
My only suggestion is to encourage you that after you dump everyone considering following a few of us that haven't had a chance to meet you in person. (yet)
- Keith - @tsudo
i've been meaning to do the same...good suggestion scoble
- Kevin Pruett
great way to start afresh, weed out all the spam from the post oprah-aston effect, now you will only have engaged followers, hopefully most that are also friendfeed loyalists
- Tate
No need to talk you out of it. It's a smart move.
- Andru Edwards
from iPhone
Robert since friendfeed is a place 2 follow 1 another, there might not be a need 2 follow on Twitter unless u meet the person via face 2 face. In which I would love 2 @ some pt when we do cross path some pt.
- polou/indigo_bow
I wonder if you could organize a time when a bunch of us do this together to make a stand against the lack of user-friendly tools on Twitter. The fact that there are no groups or lists is ridiculous. This could make a big difference. What if there were a million unfollows? Would that get their attention?
- Ben Hanten
Eh.. No interest in that? Ok.
- Ben Hanten
Good decision! Now twitter will be useful to you :)
- Angus Burton
just unfollowed you myself - have fun!
- Mac Sharp
Mac: you lie. You're still following me here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
IMHO forget Twitter, for me, following Robert on FF is where the value is.
- Mo Kargas
I agree with Mo completely.
- Akiva
Personally, I look at search results and @ replies mostly, once in a while I'll scroll through my follow stream. Of course, thanks to @RackerHacker, I have several searches running via a ruby Twitter search bot that alerts me to interesting items via Jabber and email. Following is no longer a priority for me.
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
Whatever gets you through the night, Robert! :-)
- Lon Cohen
Why do you need to unfollow to ignore? You do that well already :-)
- RetiredTeacherD
im going to do the same
- sean percival
You are doing the right activity to move the Twitter founders ,most of us are using Twitter long time but we never made anything against the SPAM or the porn users that are following by robots and posting so many links to porn sites ,it is so simple to block this activity but no one cares ,Twitter should learn much from Myspace links policy ,we can open new #tag #noporn and post there all the PORN tweets
- Johni Fisher
Don't want too unfollow you here Robert, that would be your choice.
- Mac Sharp
I believe the issue is more time and the medium you use everydsy, obviously the iphone. If you had three high powered connected desktops with dual monitors and could spend your time just with twitter, friendfeed, etc. it would not be so much of an issue. The truth is time for you to treat people as you would like to. I believe you are being realistic in your time management. I do not believe it is a lie for others to be able to deal with more than 2000 followers or subscribers.
- RetiredTeacherD
Jesse, my Twitter DM inbox is dead.
- Jason Nunnelley
@ariherzog did the same about three months ago. You might want to ask him how it worked out for him. http://ariwriter.com/why-my-...
- Kevin Sablan
I get it. I get overwhelmed and I'm only following around 200. I think you'll get a lot more out of it by following fewer people.
- Kate
Did you break Twitter today...might slow:)
- Liza + = ?
Great news! Caught up with this late, but a welcome addition to the stop auto follow movement. Just putting up a post on my http://stopautofollow.com site
- imrat
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