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haha this is awesome
- Q dub
Maybe Cuil isn't supposed to be good. They must know that the results are bad, but they launched anyway. Maybe they aren't trying to build a full search engine, but just want to demo their crawling+indexing technology with the expectation that someone will buy the company and plug in better ranking.
Alexander Oelling, Torsten Eckert, ~C4Chaos and 84 other people liked this
Where "someone" = MSFT, who has already shown that they are willing to pay a lot for non-functional search engines.
- Paul Buchheit
That is what I was thinking, too.
- Robert Scoble
You'd think they'd work toward getting something relevant if you search on "cuil launch"
- Michael Markman
It's the only thing that makes sense when you look at how bad the results are. You don't roll out something like unless you are just showing off the interface.
- Kevin Bondelli
Would also explain the weak branding. Who cares, if it's just going to get plugged into something else?
- Chris Baskind
It must be so hard to launch something in a realm where there isn't much tolerance/patience for incremental improvement. The bar in this space is high and consumers are very picky. Look at Yahoo. Their search is actually pretty damn good. However, they keep losing share.
- Christopher Sacca
agree with Sacca - also, I thought the people behind Cuil had already sold some search technology to Google and hence they wanted to try it out on their own this time - so if anything they'd have more intent than others not to flip.
- Adam Kazwell
100% agree with Paul .... what they have launched really sucks and I don't think I would be going back again to search .... Sacca seems to be right that the bar is really high in this space and whatever gets launched really needs to work well or it will fail
- Raza
from Alert Thingy
It is also strange that Cuil has no presence on twitter or friendfeed. There is no friendfeed.com/cuil. There is a twitter.com/cuil account but no twitters there. It would be interesting to hear from someone at Cuil on the FriendFeed/Twitter as to why they launched with the poor results...
- Atul Arora
Yahoo's crawl speed is not close to GOOG.
- Michael
It's something, and a reasonable first step. Yes, the results aren't that great but they seem reasonably comprehensive. Their make-or-break will be showing continuous visible progress - if they don't, sure, they're just a $XXXm dog and pony show for another company too scared of Google to see straight, but if they do improve, there may be potential for even more upside than that.
- David Weekly
Google Killer? I do not even need to look to know the answer
- Mike Reynolds
maybe there could be business in opening up their index?
- Alex Gawley
I'm not saying that the results are good, but people seem overly critical. I saw one piece on how their name is too hard to spell. But if they did become popular, this would not remain a problem.
- Clare Dibble
It's embarrassing IMO. The results are thin and the images completely wrong. Not good is one thing ... Cuil seems a cut below not good right now.
- AJ Kohn
There results aren't -bad- but they are in no way great. Worse yet, anytime you start throwing around X-killer, you are pretty much setting yourself up for destruction.
- Steve Spalding
can a startup beat google with a link-based algorithmic search engine? msft's cashback.com is an example of changing the game. trovix.com's deep semantic indexing is changing the game. same for thefind.com. mahalo human-powered engine is too. Who else?
- Tim Connors
Paul, maybe they launched because they believed gathering data and feedback from the public would help them improve their ranking and other aspects of their service? I don't think that their ranking is anywhere near as good as Google's right now. But, there's no a priori reason to believe that Cuil ranking won't improve quickly. Anna, Russell, et.al. are actually pretty sharp. I for one am excited to see another player in search with new ideas about infrastructure and user experience.
- Kevin Scott
They of all people should have known to release with fast results (latency).. The fact that they did not surprises me, and had the exact effect I would expect.. I have no plans on going back, good results or not.. :)
- Derek Collison
Does "launch early" work for search engines? Don't think so..
- Jing Lim
One of the nice things about Google is the speed they index. Consider the indexing of a blog post made yesterday: Google already picked up the post and Cuil has not. http://www.cuil.com/search... VERSUS http://www.google.com/search... Google shows 367 results and that is trouble for Cuil. They'll need to work on that quickly to convince people they are being serious.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
it's about as useful as Archie(Gopher ref)
- clarke thomas
considering I got server overloaded errors when I tried it at first, I'd have to say launching early was a big error in judgement.
- sean808080
The indexing speed of Google and other search engines is pretty good, but another area that needs fixing is when content moves. It takes a long time for Google to catch up. Example: Let's say you move your blog or an early well-praised site goes stale, many search engines have trouble adjusting their rankings to the new site or to push down the older one.
- Loren Heiny
Trouble is that indexing and ranking are closely linked. If all you return is a hitlist there's no good ranking that can be done. Can't yet tell whether they're in that situation. What I don't get is why the rush to launch now.
- Daniel Dulitz
I read similar thoughts on Reddit yesterday and they made some sense... is there any chance all the negative buzz right now is going to hurt their buyability though?
- Philipp Lenssen
IMHO there have to be better ways to show off your very own crawling+indexing technologies than opening up to the public and getting thrashed for not delivering what people expect when you dub your service search engine. I have a hard time believing that the cuil/cuill guys did not know what they were doing though ... Were they pushed to release by financiers? Were they in dire need of usage data?
- Mustafa K. Isik
I do think they built Cuil to be bought. The reason they launched is they hoped their valuation will go up with all the press blitz... Which seems pretty well planned.... I think they went overboard selling themselves to the press and did not expect some of the back-lash. Of course, the saying goes - "All press is good press :)". So who knows this might indeed increase their valuation to 100s of millions :). It all depends on what the folks over at MSFT think/know about search :))
- Bindu Reddy
someone cough microsoft cough
- Sarah Perez
M$ bait! ah ha!! Bindu and Sarah, you're on to something there!!
- Susan Beebe
I liked this thread so much that I blogged it: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Erick Schonfeld
As of yesterday, they didn't even have their own name indexed: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Brady Brim-DeForest
actually, they are off to a decent start. They have a nice interface that needs work, and some results are good and many others bad. I can tell you it takes about a year to getting your feet under you and figure out where you can fit in the search ecosystem. They are funded for a three year run it seems, so I would give them a year and see where the product is at.
- Jason Calacanis
grabbing contextual images process is too weird! (o_O)
- Pınar Yanardağ
great discussion. the more I've read about the various GRAVE screw-ups (with porn images being linked to some people's bios, etc.), the more I tend to agree that they must have known that things weren't ready. It just feels too much like a prototype... Thus the buy-out scenario seems plausible. Who knows, buying their indexing technology could actually give a boost to MSFT or even Yahoo, given that they have a hard time keeping up on the tech/scale side of search. One thing we do know is that Google...
- Alex Schleber
... isn't going to buy them :) I wrote a post on the branding aspect of the Cuil debacle earlier today -> http://businessmindhacks.com/post... but now I'm not so sure anymore if they were even serious about the whole thing. Maybe they're having a hearty laugh right now that no one is getting the joke. If they are serious though, it's a horrible launch and horrible branding.
- Alex Schleber
Is it possible that they might be taking advantage of the disconnect between mainstream and social media? Cuil has made it in the news but to what extent has the negativity made it to the mainstream? If people get their news outside of the social media circle (which, as we are all quickly discovering, is a vast majority) and only hear that "Google killer Cuil has launched today" but...
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- Derick Valadao
I think it is tough doing a PR launch. I think the obsession with dropping a nuke over the PR is an helpful one. Mightily prefer to build it up over weeks and months of relationship building but most importantly great execution and a great product.
- azeem
You can now expand Likes to see all the people who liked an entry
Nicholas James, Nahnu, Kol Tregaskes and 234 other people liked this
great!
- K.D.
Once enough people "like" this entry, the demo will come with the post :)
- Bret Taylor
Awesome! Great feature guys!
- Hutch Carpenter
Thank you!
- Robert Seidman
I am doing my part to contribute.
- Louis Gray
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though.
- Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out.
- DeWitt Clinton
awesomesauce! able to see it in action now. nicely done!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
always wanted to know who the others were
- BCK
Yay! Wasn't this enabled a few months ago too?
- Phil G
Nice!
- Evan Sims
What is the sort order before and after expanded?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: it puts people you are subscribed to first, but reverse ordered by the time of like other than that.
- Bret Taylor
awesomeness!
- Thomas Hawk
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology?
- Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order.
- Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it.
- Hutch Carpenter
Great new features everyday!
- Aaron Myers
Hutch/Mark: Bret already said how it's ordered. :P
- Daniel Bruce
Ah, I see it. That'll teach me to respond to a specific comment before reading the entire thread!
- Mark Trapp
@Daniel - ah...so there it is. Thanks.
- Hutch Carpenter
woot, don't need the script anymore
- Andrew Dobrow
I like this addition. Clean, intuitive, simple, perfect.
- Tsega Dinka
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends?
- peter
peter: all your friends are listed first.
- Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them.
- Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to.
- Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to.
- Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret.
- Jim Norris
nice touch
- Steven Hodson
Like about "Like" :)
- Igor Poltavskiy
friendfeed keeps listening to the feedback
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
thankyou
- Duncan Riley
Would be nice if you could collapse them again.
- m13a
I'd like to second that. It would be great if I could collapse them again.
- David Adam
Alex, David - Refreshing the page will do that for you.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
awesome!
- Sarah Perez
Another greasemonkey script bites the dust
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests.
- Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه
- Shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post!
- Joe Dawson
wow. Nice!
- felix
Yay, my nick is in the screenshot, and now it's in the demo. :D
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Is this the most liked post of all time?
- Mike Reynolds
Is this in the API?
- Yuvi
Mike - This one has "and 213 other people". http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Russellreno
Excellent improvement guys!
- Mark Dykeman
yeah!!
- Barbara K. Baker
I Like this feature and see that 208 other people do too!! Thanks Bret and team!
- Susan Beebe
now I need a feature that permits me to "be-friend" all of them that 'liked' a post. :)-
- Peter Dawson
:-)
- Susan Beebe
Inconspicuous Consumption - http://www.theatlantic.com/doc...
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"Conspicuous consumption, this research suggests, is not an unambiguous signal of personal affluence. It’s a sign of belonging to a relatively poor group. Visible luxury thus serves less to establish the owner’s positive status as affluent than to fend off the negative perception that the owner is poor. The richer a society or peer group, the less important visible spending becomes."
- Paul Buchheit
So, when are you going to let me start buying bling for my FF page?
- Christopher Sacca
I'd like to believe this is true but ... why buy the Mercedes (which is a total nightmare of a car now) except to show status. What of the newest golf clubs? The newest techno-gadget? Perhaps a little less conspicuous to the masses, but they're still showing off to THEIR peer group. Show up at the country club and you flaunt the clubs. Show up at a conference and flaunt the new iPhone or MacBook Air. It's just different for your social/economic class.
- AJ Kohn
As far as cars go, the majority of "fine German automobiles" are leased, which is the most expensive way to operate a vehicle, because people can't afford to buy one, but want to look affluent. They're thinking "monthly payments" vs. true Cost of Ownership. Is it any wonder that the most frequently owned vehicle among millionaires is the Ford F-150 pickup?
- Dave Roth
"...[A]lthough, unconditionally, racial minorities and Whites spend approximately the same fraction of their resources on visible consumption, Blacks and Hispanics spend about thirty percent more on visible goods, after accounting for differences in permanent income." (http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/papers...)
- Jim Norris
Dave, I think many of those luxury leases (at least in U.S.) are due to tax code and people being able to write-off much/all of the lease pmts if can be claimed for business use. And to your point, for CF reasons it's easier for some to go the leasing route than lump-sum pmt. But back to the cultural flossing, yeah, they get to update to the latest bling vehicle every two years; these aren't really the buy-and-hold types.
- Casey
"Billionaire" still feels a little remote. Though maybe the point is that it should.
- ⓞnor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... gives numbers between $21M and $641M. We could be like the banking dorks and talk about HNWI, VHNWI, UHNWI, etc.
- ⓞnor
"Their primary luxuries are time and attention."
- Clare Dibble
Cool interview with rich media startup - Apture - http://www.vator.tv/news...
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This kid knows what he's talking about. Friend of yours?
- Q dub
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