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Before the storm #audienceconf - http://qthrul.com/before-...
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- Jay Cuthrell
from Posterous
Remember when I made this? Can't wait for this functionality to come to FriendFeed. Hot Dog Stand here I come!
Jacopod, Will Higgins™, Roberto Bonini and 64 other people liked this
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING
- Eric Eldon
woah - tell me you're still not using this...its quite possibly the ugliest thing ive ever seen.
- Zee.
That's like an outfit from The Fifth Element
- Jay Cuthrell
Now I'm craving Hot Dogs
- Jesse Stay
i call it eggplant orange juice with blood.
- MG Siegler
for healthy vampires
- Eric Eldon
I feel bad for your monitor that has to serve that up...haha
- Mike Bracco
MG, maybe we should save you the trouble and make one that looks like this for you. We'll call it parislemon.
- Dan Hsiao
i think that may cause a FF revolt. or vomiting.
- MG Siegler
Absolutely love the color scheme! :)
- Jonathan Hardesty
lol it's festive. My Gmail is bright green and orange. LOVE
- BEX
ya lets myspace up this bitch!
- sean percival
Paul -- hey you listenin'? hhaha! don't ya love those colors! LOL (Dan - good idea!, do it!! haha)
- Susan Beebe
Oh My GATO!!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Looks like a box of Crayola's just threw up. : )
- Mike Doeff
Cool
- Andrew
I would go out of my mind by the end of the day. LOL
- Drew Lucas
Painful.
- Anne Bouey
*sheepish laughter* heh, that's just, er, wow.
- Rick Cogley
This is a beautiful work of art. Bravo! Encore!
- Sarah Lane
i aim to please.
- MG Siegler
Just looking at that might give you colon cancer.
- Gary C
Or keep you away from gmail long enough to be productive on the task at hand.
- Mitch
B to the U to the M to the P http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed has themes now. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert MacEwan
much harder to ugly this up, but i tried http://friendfeed.com/parisle...
- MG Siegler
looks like helvetica to me... :)
- Jim #TeamMonique
did u build it yet? lol
- Phillip Grady Jr
literally brilliant way to push people to use gmail... ;)
- Marc Mulhern
its ugly as sin but it is a point. I would love to have a bit of text control and layout control and colour control.
- workingbike feed
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- gift
Die Spammer, Die!
- Rick Cogley
1998 all over again.
- Will Higgins™
Tornado vs Rails: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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;)
- Paul Buchheit
awesome
- Ayman Shurafa
wow. insane!
- Caio
Looks like Tornado won!
- Private Sanjeev
love the metaphor :)
- andy brudtkuhl
brilliant. Alternative comment: this metaphor is a train wreck
- Ivan Kirigin
haha love it
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Smashing! Simply smashing...
- Chris Heath
Ivan +1!
- Kevin L
so sad story :( trains are so unprotected..
- я был в лесу
physics is a beaatch for sure
- Robert Higgins
That video never gets old. Never underestimate the power of nature.
- Jim Goldstein
This highlights the need for additional Superman III technology investment.
- Jay Cuthrell
wow!! :)
- Oguz Serdar
:)
- Micah
\m/
- Franc, a rememberer
AMAZING footage. Dayum!
- Josh Haley
That was worth watching even ignoring the obviously cute pun.
- Greg Grothaus
Paul is probably just joking - but if he is serious about this pun i would assume it's for good reason.
- Chris Heath
and i bet paul just couldn't wait for them to open up tornado when he first saw this video
- Chris Heath
amazing
- boro
should hitler be saying something about it now :)
- vinod
MOther Nature indeed
- Mark Mason
WOW! That reminds me...I still have some video from this summer's train trip to post. Nothing this exciting happened, I'm afraid.
- Eph Zero
YEAH BABY
- Çağatay " SKYLAB " Şama
Just as I expected, it's all twisted.
- Dustin Sallings
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
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Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- bonino bonino
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt M (inactive)
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- bonino bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
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because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
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Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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- .LAG liked that
Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali
MSFT sucks Claudio :)
- Orlando Pozo
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis...
- Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam?
- Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :)
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That was an awesome building. Even given that I only got to see the early stages of it.
- Jeff Smith
yeah, greck has some kickass photos pre-during-ending
- Jay Cuthrell
A test.
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A comment.
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A response.
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a thread
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A moment
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Panama
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A presto
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B test.
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C test.
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Who wants to be a Zillionaire?
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A nother...
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I looovvvvvvvvveee iiiiiitttt
- sofarsoShawn
no comment
- pb:
result?
- Ashish
this is a no no no nonsense comment thread.
- pb:
this comment has been edited for brevity and punctuation!
- Jay Cuthrell
You pass
- Charlie Anzman
with flying colours (wait, how do colours take flight anyway?)
- Micah
can you ship yourself as a package, perhaps via UPS, Fedex, or US Postal Service? and can you check on your delivery via yPhoney convenietly packed with?
- pb:
google it
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hahha, yeah I've been told that before... if I lost a lot more weight it would be some German actor I can't recall :)
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I've yet to have "similar pictures" work for me. I'll have to get my face into Google.
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Why use Google Wave? Oh... I have some ideas.
start here: http://ff.im/3uoh2
- Jay Cuthrell
In Wave you could play that back until you got bored.
- Jay Cuthrell
Noted.
- Jay Cuthrell
The Complete Guide to Google Wave: How to Use Google #Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/
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On Tech Blogs As Frat Parties - http://parislemon.com/2009...
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I digg your parislemon posts - especially the ones from back in the day. These days your Tweets represent you and I'm sorry (well not really) but they make you seem kinda douchey. :|
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Alternate photo platitude suggestion when reading "Asian Boobs": http://ff.im/1hqgl (currently over 1000 FF comments)
- Jay Cuthrell
Trimble VRS (Virtual Reference Station) #realtime #kinematic (RTK) #GNSS #positioning #correction #geolocation - http://www.trimble.com/vrs...
yeah, this is going to be big
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touchy goodness?
- Jay Cuthrell
Very much so.
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Comments like this on @techcrunch are -why- I read @arrington - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
if you've ever looked at source code and went WHA!?!? then you'll appreciate the legalese highlighting approach used here
- Jay Cuthrell
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Take me out of the loo and into a place more inviting. This is a challenge bc the photos are low light and crappy. Do what you can. These are rare bc I'm wearing makeup...which is why I want to preserve if possible. I am going for this look ...uh..full-time. I guess? sigh.
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don't forget to pick up TP while you are out and about
- Jay Cuthrell
Would you like 50Mbps broadband for $49.95? Move to Monticello, Minnesota. - http://www.telecompetitor.com/tds-lau...
"Monticello, Minnesota"
- Jay Cuthrell
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My submission topic for TelcoTV 2009: "57,000,000 Channels and Nothing On"
You paid a premium to offer the "must have" channels for your subscribers. And yet, short videos of a cat playing a keyboard generate more views than your head end's VoD system will ever get within its effective lifetime. Join us for a discussion on how to maintain relevance and harness the new content world. We will cover how the subscriber has become a publisher and where you fit in. Lastly, we examine where the old models of asymmetric services will give rise to a greater symmetric demand and how this will impact our industry.
- Jay Cuthrell
The content creators that were dismissed as amateurs are now finding their way into featured segments on major news outlets, talk shows, and generally invade what has traditionally been the domain of high end production studios. This perfect storm is partially due to the empowering equipment available in the sub-$1000 category but the key is that there are many more contributors that ever before.
- Jay Cuthrell
As we see this rise in creation there is now more video added per minute than there are minutes in a day. The title of this talk is a play on Bruce Springsteen's classic lament of how little is on the TV with the explosion of cable programming. While 57 channels might sound very limited by today's standards, ask yourself how much of what the subscriber pays for is truly being watched.
- Jay Cuthrell
Where the service provider fits into this mix is an obvious concern and more timely than ever. Yet the service provider has a unique opportunity to crowdsource and facilitate the deluge of available content and deliver a product.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, before you add another 200 so-called "must have" TV channels, would it make more sense ask the following questions? 1) Should service providers invest in more bandwidth for sharing content from within your base? 2) Should service providers offer an area for community published videos that are hyper local and unique to your viewing base? 3) Where do service providers look for inspiration and success stories? 4) Who are the top 10 companies and technology themes that service providers should be watching?
- Jay Cuthrell
Next, let's open this up to questions.
- Jay Cuthrell
Q: Why isn't a Netflix box in my central office one mouse click away?
- Jay Cuthrell
Q: Why can't we just let the customer build their own channel lineup?
- Jay Cuthrell
Q: Why can't we be like beeTV? http://www.bee.tv/
- Jay Cuthrell
Q: Why can't we try 10 crazy ideas? http://www.slideshare.net/qthrul...
- Jay Cuthrell
Interesting approach to using Twitter for CATV channel lineup http://ff.im/aAbDk (source: http://twitter.com/netik...)
- Jay Cuthrell
Amazon RDS = MySQL w/ automatic patches, backup, and retention... sold by the drink/hour - http://aws.amazon.com/rds/
slick
- Jay Cuthrell
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EMC to construct data center, R&D lab, adding 180 jobs in NC - http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangl...
excellent location... just a few miles from me
- Jay Cuthrell
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is pondering goals/coverage/perception of lifelinesupport.org vs. safelinkwireless.com #fb - http://www.lifelinesupport.org/li...
Follow Friday means only one thing... - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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embed FAIL but still a great track
- Jay Cuthrell
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Media "Consultant": Comments Are Bad, Please Shut Up (the delicate art of the link bait) - http://www.techdirt.com/article...
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Wow, July 21 was my first use of FriendFeed? Really? Only just over 630 FF items truly shared? Still, I've made 3,256 comments, 898 likes, and some supermegalong two day postings from #TC50
- Jay Cuthrell
Cisco study reveals people -use- broadband #shock #dismay #quelle #horreur - http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls...
beware of the evils of social networking and video sharing!!!
- Jay Cuthrell
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In which I gloat about being right... Then (Dec 2008) http://bit.ly/w7hr) and now: - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009...
*flex*
- Jay Cuthrell
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William Patry, Senior Counsel at Google on #copyright today at Duke - http://www.ustream.tv/recorde...
Great opening story by the late Jack Valenti -- great storyteller
- Jay Cuthrell
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[Video] William F. Patry, Senior Copyright Counsel at Google on copyright at Duke today - http://www.ustream.tv/recorde...
Great video snippet of Jack Valenti -- one of those great stories you can tell over and over again if you have friends that have ever sat through a "talk"
- Jay Cuthrell
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This shouldn’t be the image of Hack Day - Simon Willison - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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"I’ve heard arguments that this kind of thing is culturally acceptable in Taiwan—in fact it may even be expected for technology events, though I’d love to hear further confirmation. I don’t care. ... If we want an all-encompassing technology scene, we need to actively work to cultivate an inclusive environment. This means a zero tolerance approach to this kind of entertainment. Booth babes, tequila girls, and scantily clad gyrating women simply set the wrong tone, here or abroad. Heck, this isn’t just about offending women—many guy geeks I know would be mortified by this kind of thing." Amen
- Bret Taylor
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yuck. those are some sad photos.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Too true. Friends of Lulu has been trying to make this point to the comics industry for years.
- Spidra Webster
This was company sanctioned? Wow, someone needs to have their head read.
- Kenton
I think it is absolutely appalling and I can't believe HR allowed it. Makes me not want to support anything that Yahoo touches. Ever.
- joey
Very difficult to believe the sincerity of an apology that clearly comes in response to outcry. However, I do believe them when they say it won't happen again.
- Spidra Webster
Don't worry, Cristo. There are still plenty of places where you can get jiggle and blow.
- Spidra Webster
You can take your laptop when you go for a lapdance. In the winter, the goils might be esp happy to grind on your laptop. If your machine is anything like mine, it's plenty warm for winter!
- Spidra Webster
So would it make it all better if they added male strippers?
- Rodfather
Yes, just what the world needs is more zero-tolerance policies!
- Gabe
No it should, that's hawwwwwt
- sofarsoShawn
This event, and responses on this thread are pretty appalling. As a female in tech, and regularly attending meetings as the only female in a room of 10-30 males, this just illustrates one of the reasons. It's hard enough to just do your job and get heard, much less go to "company tech events" that are clearly geared in every way toward men. sickening.
- Jenna Bilotta
Cristo, in this case, you're pretty much just wrong.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I thought humor was supposed to be funny? Also, your humor is not original and I'm exposed to this kind of joke day in and day out. It's yet another reason women might feel alienated in tech.
- Jenna Bilotta
Did Carol Bartz address this yet?
- Red Label
Red Label, see Glen Campbell's comment above.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Can they ban PHP instead of women? Afterall, the women are mostly offensive only to women, but PHP should be offensive to everybody.
- Gabe
Why are people such prudes?
- Tanath
"Well, this just strikes me as funny, and I doubt I'd want to go to one of these without those girls there" ~ do you mean it's funny like dwarf throwing is to short people or minstrels to people of colour or how about sheep jokes to new zealanders? The excuse of "hey we're geeks and if you don't understand *cognitive dissonance* - like we respect women hackers but also like naked chicks on stage" is wearing a bit thin.
- Peter Renshaw
as long as woman play no bigger role in tech you will see male related stuff on such events. why should we bend reality. you should pity the lack of interest of femals regarding tech-development (and not just sales) if you feel the need for pity
- Chris Hofmann
I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote this article is gay. Hot chicks in short skirts FTW!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I dunno.. my lesbian friend kinda liked it. (me too).
- Martynas
We're simply a nation of Puritans who say one thing and indulge in the opposite...in secret.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
FFS, people. This wasn't just dancing girls - it was lap dancing. http://news.ycombinator.com/item... tries to spell out why that is wrong as clearly as possible, but I think Jenna said it pretty clearly, too.
- Nick Lothian
+1 Jenna - Your comment, and the responses to it illustrate well how little effort is sometimes put in to what it may be like for women and minorities working in tech. It's sad that it needs to be so difficult, and how global this professional bias is.
- Michelle Darnell
Save me a Seat at the DRIP RAIL!! ;PPP
- Billy Warhol
@Tanath I'm far from prudish, believe me, but when this tactic is used to promote something, it makes me feel like they're promoting it to someone other than me. I went through the same thing in the '80s with marketing of musical equipment; it was very clearly pitched to guys. Just not very smart marketing if you want a wider audience!
- Eph Zero
This has nothing to do with being prudish. It has everything to do with being professional. As a woman who works in technology, I work significantly harder than my male counterparts to be heard and respected simply because I'm female. I worked harder to be respected in engineering school and was often told to go do something that 'girls' do better. It's not that women aren't interested...
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- joey
+1 Eph Zero.
- joey
Hacker news claims sexual discrimination. It seems as though the result would be to put the female dancers out of a job. Let's hope they find some other employment.
- Tim Tyler
Cristo, that's true, too, but 'hack days' happen at Microsoft, Expedia, etc. and they're very corporate environments. It was sponsored by Yahoo, it wasn't an impromptu gathering of 'hackers' at a local bar or something (and as a female I'd feel put off by lap dances there as well but not angry as I am that this had corporate backing).
- joey
++joey I've experienced everything she mentions in tech, and constantly being called agressive, while my male counterparts are called "enthusiastic" its not ok. And no matter how hard I try to get male coworkers to see this, they just think its all in my head... it sucks.
- Jenna Bilotta
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Jenna, you are aggressive in a good way only. Aggressive people change the world. Empathetic aggressive people change the world for the better.
- Daniel Dulitz
Oh yeaaah, porno chicks sooooooo hawwwwwwwwt
- sofarsoShawn
And it's not just missing the mark with women...what about gay men? Surely there are one or two in tech...
- Eph Zero
Eph, also a good point.
- joey
Marketing departments care little about pleasing small minorities.
- Tim Tyler
That was a reply to the two comments immediately preceding it.
- Tim Tyler
Tim, marketing a product and recruiting talent should not be the same thing. One can market a product primarily to men or women, but one should not discriminate in who they hire to create said product.
- joey
@Jenna In my experience "he/she is aggressive" is often an excuse by people who can't stand up for themselves. Daniel is right.
- Nick Lothian
++jenna Have you had the 1:1s where you've been asked to tone down your opinions because people get the wrong idea? What idea would that be, I sometimes wonder. Anyway, back on topic, I am far from a prude and I enjoy taking my boyfriends out for lap dances when the mood strikes but this? Not even close to being ok. A professional event should remain professional.
- EricaJoy
Let us also not forget that Yahoo is a publicly traded company that has shareholders to answer to. You really think shareholders want to be paying for lap dances? Doubtful.
- EricaJoy
As for the "booth babe" reference... just remember that judging anyone on appearance can quickly render one a fool. Don't assume. There are a lot of women in tech (growing?) and those women attending an event that are working a booth is no indication they were hired just as bait for men. Ask about the product, and based on the answer -- remember that the vendor cared or didn't care about how they spent marketing dollars.... Yes, a trade show floor is the perfect Roddenberry social fabric encapsulation ;-)
- Jay Cuthrell
Alternatively: print up an official "You wasted my time with your offensive and sexist use of unscripted talent on your booth -- Sincerely, A no longer potential customer" as needed... booth babes and booth boys apply
- Jay Cuthrell
I expect Yahoo shareholders appreciate the value of holding and pulling in young male developers by using sexual stimuli - but don't much care for the resulting international attention.
- Tim Tyler
Re: hiring discrimination - let's not forget that this was a hack day, not a job interview. If they had paid for a creche instead, would we see a similar outcry about discrimination in favour of women?
- Tim Tyler
I am an so call 'male developer' here in Taiwan. In my point of view, I felt that comments about the 'sexual' and 'hr to blame' note should be some kind of misunderstand. I think the hack day@tw is hosted like big event and its a contest between hackers.,In big contest, people do have something temporary transfer/release their tension. Take superball for example, half-time show is one...
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- marx
since we all know FriendFeed is a parasite of Twitter, it would appear that if MG is right that Twitter is a ghost town. The innovation halting, however, is a ticking time bomb for Facebook.
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FriendFeed would be fine without Twitter in my opinion... I block most tweets anyway. Why do you have the impression that it is a parasite of Twitter? I am not happy about the lack of support and innovation here now though. But I'm gonna ride this boat till it grounds because it's still the best ship to be on, IMO.
- Lindsay
Yeah. /deep voice
- Josh Haley
MG is missing the conversations in FF, which were not a parasite of Twitter. In fact, the FF faithful deliberately avoid commenting on Twitter-originated content, which I think is a significant driver of FF's slow downward spiral.
- Christian Anderson
Part of the fun is knowing that the Twitter-only readers don't read my responses, don't get the value of a threaded conversation and are yet again just blowing their bugle into their own beadspread.
- Aron Michalski
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The twitter V Friendfeed rivalry is fascinating to watch from the outside but I'll say that my engagement is far higher on twitter and the boycott of tweets does the FF no favors. Could just as easily be symbiotic but whatever ;)
- WarLord
To be clear, are these /conversations/ -truly- threaded or are we reduced to lumping another row on the bonfire of banality?
- Jay Cuthrell
Well, point taken but having to go look for replies on another page or a column of a client seems counterproductive. As it stands it doesn't matter with me as I often will post and never have any response. I guess I'm not interesting or inflammatory enough.
- Aron Michalski
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I like sharing with FF as a mechanism to push back into Twitter. I periodically stop importing Twitter into FF. I've tried FF as a dumping ground and didn't like it longer term. Facebook seems more about presenting applications with annoying graphics in front of me. Reminds me why I stopped watching TV. Facebook will likely be next.
- Jay Cuthrell
the point is, ff is no deader than twitter. neither is. where's stream splicing?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve it hurts my feelings that not only don't you tweet on twitter, but you have given up on mp3 files too! And the irony is that the TriCaster is a vestige of the Amiga...
- Michael Pinto
Many people hide Twitter in FriendFeed, and watch Twitter somewhere else.
- Louis Gray
Interesting...Scoble pretty much (unless I just misunderstood) said the reverse.He thinks FF is the ghost town and Twitter is the place to be. I didn't realize either had problems. Both seem just as active to me, but I'm just a user too.
- George Gray
posting Dare's FB comment here: Dare Obasanjo That's a bogus statement and you know it. Friendfeed was a Twitter app that lots of people used. People have moved on to other apps since the FB purchase (Brizzly?). This isn't a reflection on Twitter just a sign that people no longer treat Friendfeed as a primary destination for conversations around microcontent
- Steve Gillmor
Interesting that Dare's comment is on Facebook, not Brizzly? Once FB solves the orphan comment problem, many will move there. For now, I see little difference in FF since the acquisition except for frozen development, as MG points out. Brizzly or Seesmic or Threadsy do not provide a replacement for FF, at least for me, at least not yet. What has changed is the time FB has to bridge the...
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- Steve Gillmor
Michael I tweet on twitter thru here, just like others use Tweetie, etc. I haven't given up on mp3 but rather moved to mp4. YouTube is currently not providing an RSS feed for my stream, and the approval process for downloads seems stuck for the last few episodes. I used my Amiga and Toaster until they stopped supporting them, and the Tricaster goes well beyond the Toaster.
- Steve Gillmor
i had to remove twitter from friendfeed to prevent doubleposting on facebook. (as if there were no problems in our world)
- kosmar
kosmar don't understand your problem. I post here, it goes to Twitter, which pipes it to Facebook. However, Facebook comments to my posts are orphaned on Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, I can't believe how many comments missed the semantics of the post - that the pointy end of the stick was jabbing at Twitter. It may be a style thing I'm already used to, I don't know. :)
- Micah
steve, well i want all ff lifestream aggregation be on facebook - but the ff app on facebook only posts "posts" on the wall, which look ugly and therefore are less conversational it seems. i would prefer to have my fb-status changed by the items the ff app pushes (like twitter app does) - best twitter to facebook seems tweetpo.st (but is handicapped by twitter follower ratio issues at...
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- kosmar
… orphaned comments are one big problem. if all would be wave (or maybe pshb), that could be fixed, i guess. - but then, if someone talks about you on the phone, that will forever be orphaned anyway (i do hope so)
- kosmar
it just seems to me having recently tried ff in more frequency that with facebook and twitter it is far easier to request contact and it feels more direct - unless i am missing a way to have this dynamic in ff
- Alexander Kitingan
Network effects suggest its wise to work with many networks, not against them. Tis a bit arbitrary and capricious for a user to 'prefer' one nascent platform over another.
- Just some guy
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- Jay Cuthrell
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Yahoo! Dev Net apology over "female dancers" brings out the self-appointed apology police?!? - http://developer.yahoo.net/blog...
Making hits after the play has stopped results in a penalty.
- Jay Cuthrell
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