if Apple tried to wipe an app off my iPhone That I obtained this way the gloves would come off ... Given the way Apple has treated their customers who use applications I'm looking for a way to tweak their nose... So I'm very interested in hearing about all apps distributed this way and will actively support/use if they come anywhere close to meeting my needs ADDENDUM: the podcast app looks interesting enough that I'm willing to give it whirl and have signed up .... waiting for the process to work its way... - David HC Soul
Is it just me or, is the link not working for anyone else? - Queco Jones
“Here's a podcast that explains why, if I were David Hornik, I'd invest in iPhone apps and wouldn't worry about other platforms right now. (Later, yes, but not now.)”
I watched the TechCrunch Mobile panel via Ustream and heard Hornik's comments about size of the iPhone market being a major obstacle for investing but this really sounded like an excuse / smoke screen for "I'm not investing in anything if I can't exit for 3-5 years". None of the panelists seemed to comprehend (or would publicly admit) how significant an innovation Apple's multi-touch UI really is and impact it's likely to have. Just my two cents. BTW thanks for mentioning ALDUS in the podcast I was GM of their Canadian subsidiary for 5 years before Adobe bought them :-) - Jim Parsons
Q: Does it need to be flying? You may be restricting your responders to a smaller subset of all people not giving said "fcuk" (flying or non-flying) about Facebook. - Phil Crissman
Okay I see your point. It doesn't have to fly. A regular old fcuk will do. :-) - Dave "Maverick" Winer
I have to give one, it's the only social network that my friends belong to!!! - Chris Rivait
You do care, otherwise you would not say that - Gabriel
@chris, I have a lot of friends who are only on FB as well. But admitting something has functionality is not necessarily the same as _caring_ about it... if Facebook ceased to exist, said friends would find accounts on some other social network. Ergo, I really don't care much about Facebook... :-) - Phil Crissman
Some of my friends are only on Facebook too. - Morton Fox
+1... though throwing a flying fcuk on the Super Poking application may be a huge hit! - Mona N.
Every time they make headlines I kind of glance at those headlines cringingly from the corner of my eye -- I don't care, and I don't want to care, but I do worry that they might get up to something that will require me to care. - Tegan Dowling
facebook's strength is in connecting you to people you know, whereas friendfeed/twitter connect you to people you dont know. - Aziz Poonawalla
Never even been to the site. Just do not care. - eve shot first
no, facebook and myspace are both going downhill. Making it have too much, or atleast trying to. - Squid
I still really enjoy Facebook, not really over made up with the changes but I think they are foundations for something bigger! - Joe Dawson
Facebook is for all the people in theory you know to act like dicks and brag about their shit and here is for meeting cool people who if are dicks you hide - Cecil Sandus
There are braggers everywhere in all walks of life, every friend I have there is close or someone I respect! Well close as in they were a part of my life! - Joe Dawson
No, even though I got an account s while back, I feel the same way as well... - Queco Jones
I have way more 'friends' on Facebook than any other network, but I spend less time there, and engage in fewer meaningful interactions, by an order of magnitude. So, yeah, pencil me in for a failure to give a fcuk. - Derrick Burns
We're the wrong age group. Seems like the teenagers and even some of my young software engineers use it more (and in place of) email. I certainly don't understand it, but it seems true. - Bill Rice
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All of my friends use it as well (it's that age group that Bill is talking about) and it's pretty much impossible to escape. The weird thing is, teens/young-adults are quick to use tools like Facebook and Myspace but rarely branch off of those large networks and venture into things like Twitter, Friendfeed, and the cooler, smaller apps. - Brandon Titus
Nope. It's been blah since it was opened up to everyone and all those crappy applications starting appearing. Who cares who I virtually poke, super-hug, moon, or <insert verb here>? Total ridiculousness... I use it a bit for messaging friends who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed. - James Williams
I've visited Facebook twice this year, mostly to accept all my queued up friend requests. I'm finding that FriendFeed has really let me focus back on the true distributed nature of social apps, so I'm commenting more on blogs, tweeting, blogging myself, etc. - Patrick Lightbody
No Dave. The marketing is in full effect. I'm not a fan on the new UI and I think they are overvalued. I do however, think they are loaded with talented people. - Ryan
No one seems to use the social features much, except for the wall. The sharing stuff seems to be one-to-one, it's never a conversation :-/ - Rudolf Olah
against the tide facebook is a solid platform for storing lots of user generated content ... personal preference versus using several specialized services (youtube, flickr, etc.) - facebook is akin to a content management dashboard -especially if all the 3rd party apps are ignored. that said it is not particularly text/blog-centric ... - Scott Moskowitz
add another one to the don't care for it list. i don't have anything against it other than my slight dislike of facebook "fanboys" and zuckerberg worshippers, but i don't see it benefiting me in any way - Cee Bee
Wow, I guess I didn't realize how anti-facebook a lot of the community is... Facebook was introduced my freshman year of college, so it played a big part of my undergrad experience. It's been great to keep in touch with friends since graduation. As for the conversational piece, I think the "problem" is that most of the userbase are average users. not techno-centric. if you took the whole facebook community and stuck them on ff, the conversations wouldn't happen here either. The paradigm isn't there yet imo. - Frankie Warren
Never created an account with FB, probably never will. Did get notice from a professional contact that he'd tried to find me there but it still did not incent me to sign up. I created a MySpace account ages ago as it was the only place some of my personal contacts were, but unless I get notification one of them has sent me a message I never log in. - Sally Robinson
“What I can't seem to understand in this whole Shel "puppet" situation is why people aren't coming to his defense like they came to Kathy Sierra's defense? All things considered, it makes Shel uncomforable. I smell waffles!”
Uh, why? Because Shel's a man and Kathy's a woman? They're both victims! Shel's getting bullied, and somehow he's the one who is under attack for not having a sense of humor about it. Sorry, but I still smell waffles. - l0ckergn0me
shel doesn't do victim well enough, but you're right, if he was a woman, different story, and it's a double standard - Duncan Riley
Seems like some weird "mean kids" high school feud. Tiresome. Might be swingin' shel's way tho. - Jay Tannenbaum
Maybe. I think that Shel's target demo isn't the cool kids, anymore. Loren's better at playing politics, and he's backed by Mike. You don't get much more political juice than that. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I don't want to be put into some kind of "pro Mike and Loren" camp, but to compare what Loren is doing to Shel with what happened to Kathy is stretching things all out of shape, I think. Loren is "taking the piss," as the Brits say, and that is directed at Shel and his professional skills, not him as a person. It's on the edge, as most satire is, and arguably is mean-spirited, but I still think it's qualitatively different. - mathew ingram
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very different situations, threats of sexual violence intended to silence outspoken women carry loads of personal and social historical weight. using a puppet to say a man on camera is silly is going to hurt feelings but it's different by so far that it's a different phenomenon. like pointing and laughing vs punching some one in the face. plus l.f. is such a dickface that few people want to challenge him. that's what i think. - Marshall Kirkpatrick
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come on Shel... I don't know you. but the puppet I know. think what Seinfeld did for the soup nazi! who is KAthy? and why doesn't she have a puppet? - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
I'm not a "pro" either side here, either - merely pointing out that (personally or professionally) Shel doesn't like it. Period. End of story. The last thing anybody should tell him to do is "lighten up" about it. - l0ckergn0me
I still smell waffles. The blogosphere is accepting these attacks, but not others?! It makes absolutely no sense to me, personally or professionally. Or, let me put it to you another way: how would it make YOU feel if YOU were on the receiving end of this?! - l0ckergn0me
what's the deal on the waffles? waffles are good. this situation is not. - Justin Whitaker
OK, I will take the obvious approach. Kathy was being attacked and threatened on her blog. Loren's videos are just an attempt at poking fun. Granted someone should come to Shel's defense a little, but the situation is much different. - Rob Diana
I can see how it could be funny until Loren made it personal.. Personal attacks from one person to another are not funny. - Ian D. Nock
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I heard that Shel was mean to Feldman first. That's what you get. - Michelle McCormack
I don't think Shel needs anyone to come to his rescue. But Loren has crossed from parody to meanness. I also disagree that it's just about Shel's professional skills. Seems rather personal. - Chris Baskind
Interestingly, I think this is probably the first time I've seen an attempt by Robert Scoble take a side in the issue. Not that this is a bad thing. In fact I'd probably act the same way - staying distant and siding with no one because everyone involved are friends (and in this case a co-worker). - trextor
It's all a bunch of idiotic crap. Someone trying to make a name for themselves by attacking someone else, instead of acting like an adult. Low rent. - Andru Edwards
It's not like he's Daumier or something. Let's take the videos out of it. How about twitter? Pretty personal stuff about destroying Shel. And calling Julia a whore. Let's get back to the double standard. Is chivalry completely dead? Creepy. - Jay Tannenbaum
Loren's behavior is wrong and it should stop - enough harassing of Shel already. Loren seriously needs to get a life already...gees - Susan Beebe
@Michelle McCormack Um, you heard? that's some solid ground to stand on. @l0ckergn0me i think the problem is that you used the Kathy Sierra incident as a comparison. It's not the same. However, Feldman's a bored bully who's getting lots of attention, so he'll keep doing it. It's the oldest story in the book. I don't know Shel, but I'm sure he doesn't deserve the personal attacks. I can understand his being upset. After all, this could start costing him work, and it does get really annoying after awhile. - Chris Cavs
I'll bet Loren can't go on this way for long and still do work for CNET. Then he'll lose work and we can all gossip about that. - Jay Tannenbaum
I saw one vid and thought it was funny - but i agree it shouldn't (and doesn't have to) be much more - weblivz
@Michelle McCormack started it! what a professional world we live in when the rules of the playground count for acceptable behaviour. We have to realise that we all have people we do not like, people we do not get along with, even people who hate us, but that is not for the public realm, we should maintain a professional stance in our dealings. The moment you direct your efforts to kicking people down rather than making yourself better, is the day when you kick yourself down and are poorer for it - Ian D. Nock
THE PROBLEM is not Shel Vs Loren, its us- the blogosphere, we love to stick our nose into it yell "blog fight" !! We are to blame for adding fuel to fire.. they are adults, let them sort it out , rave, rant and kill each other verbally. However Bloggers are like pit bulls .. bite onto the jugular vein at the smallest chance !! - Peter Dawson
Shel? Loren? Who are they and why should I care? Is this the geek version of the east/west coast rap "war" from back in the day? - Queco Jones
I couldn't force myself to watch that video all the way through. It was boring and moronic.Not sure why anyone finds it entertaining. If Feldman was trying to imply that this is how Israel's videos are, perhaps Feldman should be aware that I didn't find that to be much different from the incessantly pause-ridden vitriol I've seen on the three or four other videos I could bear to watch (before deciding to pretend he doesn't exist). The major difference was there was a much cuter critter doing the shouting. - MiniMage
It's pretty disgusting. High school on a grand scale. Why do people have to be hurt to create humor? - Francine Hardaway
That's the root of most comedy. and highschool drama is the root of most of the blogosphere's interaction. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
My motto has been "insults from idiots should be taken as compliments." At the end of the day, it just shouldn't matter what others think or say about you if you're doing the right things. It's not fun, but smile and say "I never did mind the little things." - AJ Kohn
Shel isn't taking near the beating that Feldman is giving poor Julia Allison. I don't take anyone's side in any of these debates and find the puppet amusing, but if there's any outrage/crossing the line I think it's Julia Allison and not Shel that would have the beef. - JonathanJoseph
I predict this behavior will be mitigated starting Friday. - Jay Tannenbaum
I think the two situations are enough different that it is hard to know if there is a gender treatment issue going on, a different attitude about what is "just deal with it" kinds of attacks (it is a year or two later - we may be less sensitive), or a matter of being able to relate/laugh at Lauren and being more shocked at the attack at Kathy. So could be waffles, could be just too different. - Goldie Katsu
You are truly an idiot Chris to even compare a puppet to Ms. Sierras situation. - loren feldman
It seems like there should be a line where someone can tap out and be respected for that -- a this isn't funny anymore line. While Kathy's and Shel's situation's are obviously different, they both had a line like that. As such, the comparison stands. - Bryan Zug
