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I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?
Brian Hendrickson, helpmeguru, Justin Bradshaw and 223 other people liked this
I agree with this fully.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku
- Ken Sheppardson
Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them?
- Mark
I support this fully
- Ryan
yes what about a free GAE
- abdellah
Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"...
- Andrew Terry
Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see.
- binmugahid
yes
- andy brudtkuhl
I agree with Andrew...
- Suril Amin
I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source
- Jake Anderson
Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that.
- Mark
Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think.
- Leo Laporte
great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people
- Chris Heath
There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge.
- binmugahid
I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine
- hasanahmad
They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone.
- Leo Laporte
On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff.
- Chanux
Wow did this just happen today?
- bravestface
yesterday
- Chris Heath
Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo.
- Jared Smith
Excellent idea Leo.
- Adi
I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see
- bravestface
Yes.
- .LAG liked that
You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them.
- Joel Bennett
I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo.
- jcunwired
bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh.
- Gus
when will twitter be back up any 1 know
- daveccorey
There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called
- Doug Holton
True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want
- bravestface
I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer.
- Leo Laporte
hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!!
- Đoи яамoη
Or Pushbutton?
- bravestface
This would be amazing.
- Adam Teece
The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement.
- Ken Sheppardson
Too many systems in place
- bravestface
They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF.
- Kurt
In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach
- bravestface
Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening.
- Kelly Mitchell
Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook.
- Jeff Vreeland
I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps
- Doug Holton
Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook).
- Gideon Guillen
I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works.
- mikemcmullan
An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space.
- Derek Gathright
Completly agree!
- Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis
from Nambu
Open source is the way to so that "The poeple" can do what they want or to a program. E.I. www.Openssourcemaps.com
- D Lets
from iPhone
Absolutely.
- Ian Littman
OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still).
- Patrick Sullivan
OS FF
- Malcolm Bastien
I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point
- Jim Posner
I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO.
- Chris Cathcart
correction: Http://www.openstreetmap.org
- D Lets
from iPhone
I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced.
- patrick
wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started
- Joe Geeting
I would. It is hard using Friendfeed now not knowing its fate.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting.
- Michael Bower
In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files...
- Ken Bauer
definently
- Ryan Peach
Right-o
- Myrddin Emrys
I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over.
- rob friedman
You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems.
- Myrddin Emrys
very good proposition, i'd pay
- Brian Appleby
Leo, like this idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers
- Mike Chelen
It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen
- Thomas Lee
I support this as well.
- Carlos Ayala
Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch...
- Johnny Worthington
Another reason why Leo kicks ass
- Mo Kargas
If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition...
- Randy Shapiro
FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
absolutley ;)
- Kenneth Reitz
i would pay
- cheapsuits
ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont
- daveccorey
no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons.
- xiawinter
http://kennethreitz.com/blog...
- Kenneth Reitz
Anyone know how to use the Wii Remote as a mouse on OSX? Want to set that up for the Mac Mini connected to the TV.
Joel Webber, Queco Jones, Richard Hurt and 5 other people liked this
A few Google searches and I've found DarwiinRemote: http://blog.hiroaki.jp/2006... and http://sourceforge.net/project.... Will give it a shot and report back.
- DeWitt Clinton
You're one step ahead of me, Dave.
- DeWitt Clinton
Also very interested in the outcome! :-)
- Dave Winer
DarwiinRemote works well, but I found it too slow for my tastes...YMMV
- Keith Solomon
The previously mentioned DarwiinRemote works ok, but I found moving the cursor left and right a little wonky. Maybe I need more practice.
- Stephen Collins
Installed DarwiinRemote and have it working using internal motion detection. Need to get IR mode working now for better resolution.
- DeWitt Clinton
Still no luck on the IR mode. Will keep at it.
- DeWitt Clinton
If you feel like hacking something, I know motej works with the IR Camera. You could just hack a mouse emulator using that and awt.Robot
- Robert Cooper
from twhirl
DarwiinRemote is already comprehensive, so if I hack on something I'd probably start there. I suspect I don't even need to, and am simply getting the startup steps wrong to powerup the Wii's IR sensor. What I didn't know before, but do now, is that the IR bar is used only to calibrate the remote - the calibrated signal is all sent over Bluetooth back to the Wii, not via the cable connecting the bar to the Wii. This is good.
- DeWitt Clinton
Oh, yeah. The bar is just 2 IR LEDs. You can go to radio shack and get some IR leds and make your own bar (or use 2 candles). I use a projector and the wii sensor bar was too small to give me anything decent relative to my screen size, so I made a 4ft wide "sensor bar" with 2 LEDs and a 9v battery.
- Robert Cooper
from twhirl
I tried DR (even got the wireless sensor bar... made by Nyko, I think; ~$20) but, eventually gave up. Interested to know if you get it to work though... maybe the software has gotten better since I last tried it (~1.5 years ago)
- Queco Jones
@Robert: I love the idea of hearing "Honey, light the candles. I want to watch the Daily Show". :)
- Joel Webber
Seriously, I would love to know how this works out. I've got a couple of WiiMotes (for a dead Wii), and a Mac Mini hooked up to the projector in the den. Projector's large enough that the low resolution of the pointer might not be a big problem.
- Joel Webber
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Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fcuk about Facebook?
Justin Davey, LogEx, Dominic Jones and 43 other people liked this
No.
- Michael C. Harris
Q: Does it need to be flying? You may be restricting your responders to a smaller subset of all people not giving said "fcuk" (flying or non-flying) about Facebook.
- Phil Crissman
Nope - I'm not just a member of the club, I'm the GD president.
- Internet's Tad
Okay I see your point. It doesn't have to fly. A regular old fcuk will do. :-)
- Dave Winer
I have to give one, it's the only social network that my friends belong to!!!
- Chris Rivait
You do care, otherwise you would not say that
- Gabriel
@chris, I have a lot of friends who are only on FB as well. But admitting something has functionality is not necessarily the same as _caring_ about it... if Facebook ceased to exist, said friends would find accounts on some other social network. Ergo, I really don't care much about Facebook... :-)
- Phil Crissman
Some of my friends are only on Facebook too.
- Morton Fox
+1... though throwing a flying fcuk on the Super Poking application may be a huge hit!
- Mona Nomura
you are not alone
- Rom Feria
No, you are not alone. I care just enough to glance at FB news when it comes over Google reader.
- Kreg Steppe
I wouldn't even bother giving Facebook a fcuk. Flying or otherwise...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Facebook? What's that?
- mace
What? Face...wtf?
- Ronald
sounds like you have no need for facebook?
- Chris Jones
from twhirl
Every time they make headlines I kind of glance at those headlines cringingly from the corner of my eye -- I don't care, and I don't want to care, but I do worry that they might get up to something that will require me to care.
- Tegan Dowling
not hardly
- No FB
I've never signed up. My life is too action packed to make trying to maintain superficial relationships worthwhile.
- Mrsth
Um...haven't used it yet and might never.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
No, you are not.
- ha3rvey, not a sweetheart
facebook's strength is in connecting you to people you know, whereas friendfeed/twitter connect you to people you dont know.
- Aziz Poonawalla
no, facebook and myspace are both going downhill. Making it have too much, or atleast trying to.
- Squid
I still really enjoy Facebook, not really over made up with the changes but I think they are foundations for something bigger!
- Joe Dawson
Facebook is for all the people in theory you know to act like dicks and brag about their shit and here is for meeting cool people who if are dicks you hide
- Cecil Sandus
There are braggers everywhere in all walks of life, every friend I have there is close or someone I respect! Well close as in they were a part of my life!
- Joe Dawson
No, even though I got an account s while back, I feel the same way as well...
- Queco Jones
I have way more 'friends' on Facebook than any other network, but I spend less time there, and engage in fewer meaningful interactions, by an order of magnitude. So, yeah, pencil me in for a failure to give a fcuk.
- Derrick Burns
I won't lose face
- William Meloney
All of my friends use it as well (it's that age group that Bill is talking about) and it's pretty much impossible to escape. The weird thing is, teens/young-adults are quick to use tools like Facebook and Myspace but rarely branch off of those large networks and venture into things like Twitter, Friendfeed, and the cooler, smaller apps.
- Brandon Titus
Nope. It's been blah since it was opened up to everyone and all those crappy applications starting appearing. Who cares who I virtually poke, super-hug, moon, or <insert verb here>? Total ridiculousness... I use it a bit for messaging friends who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- James Williams
Nope. It's useless.
- Sam Lawrence
from twhirl
I've visited Facebook twice this year, mostly to accept all my queued up friend requests. I'm finding that FriendFeed has really let me focus back on the true distributed nature of social apps, so I'm commenting more on blogs, tweeting, blogging myself, etc.
- Patrick Lightbody
No Dave. The marketing is in full effect. I'm not a fan on the new UI and I think they are overvalued. I do however, think they are loaded with talented people.
- Ryan
No one seems to use the social features much, except for the wall. The sharing stuff seems to be one-to-one, it's never a conversation :-/
- Rudolf Olah
against the tide facebook is a solid platform for storing lots of user generated content ... personal preference versus using several specialized services (youtube, flickr, etc.) - facebook is akin to a content management dashboard -especially if all the 3rd party apps are ignored. that said it is not particularly text/blog-centric ...
- Scott Moskowitz
add another one to the don't care for it list. i don't have anything against it other than my slight dislike of facebook "fanboys" and zuckerberg worshippers, but i don't see it benefiting me in any way
- Cee Bee
Wow, I guess I didn't realize how anti-facebook a lot of the community is... Facebook was introduced my freshman year of college, so it played a big part of my undergrad experience. It's been great to keep in touch with friends since graduation. As for the conversational piece, I think the "problem" is that most of the userbase are average users. not techno-centric. if you took the whole facebook community and stuck them on ff, the conversations wouldn't happen here either. The paradigm isn't there yet imo.
- Frankie Warren
I don't anymore.
- Parth Awasthi
Nope. Never used it, never will.
- Asteris Masouras
No flying fcuks here either, Dave
- TDavid
Never created an account with FB, probably never will. Did get notice from a professional contact that he'd tried to find me there but it still did not incent me to sign up. I created a MySpace account ages ago as it was the only place some of my personal contacts were, but unless I get notification one of them has sent me a message I never log in.
- Sally: gift wrapper
None at all? http://bit.ly/1raWrD
- Michael
Famous saying: She offered her honor. He honored her offer and all night long he was on her and off her.
Queco Jones, Asteris Masouras, Павел Романовский and 9 other people liked this
Love the wordplay
- Michael Craig
Nice. 8D
- Queco Jones
Play thiis when Twitter is down. (There's no words there!) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Noah David Simon, Alejandro, Marcel Janus and 23 other people liked this
the original tape was stronger in showing the anger
- Adri Munier
Hahahaha really good actually. And funnier than I expected.
- Rex Pechler
whoa. "max headroom" flashbacks.
- Brad McCrorey
That was great!
- Angsuman Chakraborty
I love the pencil throw at the end.
- Drew Lucas
Has any service been able to keep standing after all those falls?
- David Álvarez
hehehe. nice!
- kosso
I find it amazing that BillO knows exactly how it feels when Twitter goes down!
- Dave Winer
Somewhere Philo T. Pharnesworth is pissing himself.
- Tom Landini
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