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Rachel Walden
Current mood: reluctant to spend staff time digging up info so vendors can decide how to price their product to us.
If any of you have had any luck doing anything other than digging up all the info, I'd love to hear about it. - Rachel Walden
What happens if you "estimate"? #ididntsaythat - Meg VMeg
Not sure with this one. I just resent being asked to essentially do their market research for them. - Rachel Walden
Correct - Meg VMeg
Rachel Walden
Anybody have experience with Alma and Primo? Apparently we're moving to that.
Yup! There's several of us who either have moved or are in process. We've got a group here: - Kirsten
Welcome to the madness! - Jen
Oh, awesome, thank you! - Rachel Walden
We have it - I'm starting to learn all about it - copystar
We're considering it. - lris
We're in the middle of implementation with plans to go live in July. - Galadriel C.
We went live in December and are having ALL KINDS of problems. :-( - Megan loves summer
We rejected it. - JffKrlsn from Android
What did you select in its place? - lris
we're moving to it too - weelibrarian
We would have gone with it two years ago, but the cost was prohibitive. Keeping what we had for now. - Holly's favorite Anna
We went live with Alma/Primo at end of August and it's working well. Teething problems of course and minor bugs but very little of that is at all visible to the enduser. - Deborah Fitchett
Iris, in its place we selected nothing... we closed out our process and started over. Several months later we are recommending Sierra (more update than migration--we currently use Millennium and they didn't change much), and will be using EDS for the public interface; OPAC will still exist but be very much in the background, not easy to find. - JffKrlsn
Ah, ok. If you'd be willing to tell me more about what made you turn away, I would really like to hear it: ijastram at - lris
Well, I've decided to go to MLA in Austin instead of ACRL. Anyone else going?
medlibs? is this thing on? - maʀtha
Rachel? Nicki? - maʀtha
A couple people from my place are going, I think, but not me - Hedgehog from Android
aw, too bad, Hedgie - maʀtha
I am going to an acrl preconf to hang with the jambina. [And, sorry that I read this wrong...] - Joe
I will almost certainly be going this year. - Rachel Walden
yay! - maʀtha
The straw that broke auto-suggest's back. We've turned it off, we're so frustrated by it.
Yes! - Kirsten
I dunno, I know people who'd watch that movie. - RepoRat
i LOLed here and i had food in my mouth! there should be laugh warnings on these posts... - Marie
So is a penis labyrinth what the kids are calling a vagina these days? - Steve C Team Marina
A penis labyrinth is the pentagon #satire - Pete
you two are just full of beans today, aren't you? Edit: though you are also near the top of your game - MoTO: #TeamMarina
lololol - Rachel Walden
I suspected some of y'all would run with this one. - Kirsten
Somewhere someone is making a porn parody of Pan's Labyrinth with this title... - Pete
Rule 34, Pete - Aaron the Librarian
Do you have bX too? I'd hate to see what it would recommend... - Zamms
"I didn't mean it before, but I certainly mean it now!" - Steele Lawman
Wow. Our Did You Mean hasn't done anything near this interesting, to my knowledge: I'm a little sad. - Deborah Fitchett
This wins, like, everydamnthing. :D - Catherine Pellegrino
oh, thank you! I really needed that ROTFL today!!!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
LSW roll call! Go!
I especially encourage those who might be quietly reading out there or might be new to say howdy. - maʀtha
👋 - Julian
Martha, medlib in an academic library with strong focus on serving external community as well as the university. Dark chocolate, yes anchovies on pizza, don't call me on the phone, dogs love me, cats not so much, I like winter. - maʀtha
Dorothea, instructor in a library school. Dark chocolate, vegetarian pizza hold the mushrooms, PLEASE don't call me, cat person, winter's okay except when it's injurious. - RepoRat
Jenica, director of two academic libraries at a small SUNY in upstate new york, and coordinator of our campus's upcoming bicentennial celebrations. Dark chocolate (intense orange is my jam), pizza is best with pepperoni, i only answer the phone for family, my dog weighs more than my child and my cats combined, and I live in the land of perpetual winter so I try not to whine. - Jenica
Science & engineering librarian at York University in Toronto, the largest university you've never heard of. Currently on sabbatical. Interested in open access and its related ideas. As well as sf, horror, mysteries, popular science writing, classic rock, blues, jazz and related genres. Oh yeah, a strange obsession with science-themed graphic novels. - John Dupuis
Laura, middle management at a public library (dear God, how did that happen?). Dark chocolate. I am actually sick of pizza. I envy you people who can get away without using the phone. I love winter, and I am getting a new winter coat for the first time in 22 years. - laura x
Catherine, reference & instruction librarian at Saint Mary's College. No, not that St. Mary's. The other one. No, not that one either. The one that's across the street from Notre Dame. Pizza: yes. Chocolate: yes. New cat: yes. Winter: yes. Dumbphone: yes. - Catherine Pellegrino
Julian, working for a major vendor (not in Libraryland; hint: think about bridges...). Apizza > pizza, good dark chocolate (of course), Android, Linux, likes other people's cats. I take your calls every day. I like October. - Julian
Christina. Librarian in a research lab and phd student. Any kind but white chocolate is fine with me. Have a big dog and toddler twins. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Mary Carmen, former academic library administrator. I now manage the care and feeding of one small human and am currently incubating another one. I actually never answer my phone. Sesame Street is my jam. If the television is on, it's tuned to Sprout. When I can actually eat food, pizza is number one, although I've been very into bagels lately. Dark chocolate. 3 cats. I miss winter. - Mary Carmen
Hello lurker Martha! *waves* - maʀtha
Walt, mostly-retired (except for research/writing) former library professional/non-librarian. Omnivore. Dark chocolate. Landline phone if we recognize the number (the flipphone's almost never on). Mild OCD-like attitude on providing facts to flesh out OA and other debates. My 15 minutes were about 20 years ago. Two cats. California native and enjoy the weather (esp. if we get more rain/snow this year). - Walt Crawford
Good work, people! I would like to hear from more usual and unusual suspects, please. - maʀtha
Sarah, currently Scholarly Communications Librarian at large public research university but soon to be Associate Dean at large private research university library. All chocolate except bad chocolate. My spouse and I make our own sausage. Three cats and a dog. And let's just say that I'm very happy to be moving about as far south as you can go in the US! Also, hate the phone but am getting better at it because I have to. - Sarah
Congratulations, Sarah! Very cool. - maʀtha
Pete. Law and Social Sciences information adviser at Sheffield Hallam University. My main professional contribution is library themed silly songs. - Pete
Rochelle, adult public services manager at a public library. Cat wrangler. I have developed a bedtime ritual of listening to old episodes of Gunsmoke at I seldom stay awake to hear the ending, but it's very soothing. I get a huge kick out of supporting my staff in developing and implementing their awesome ideas. Migraines are my unfortunate jam. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Laura. Currently Team Leader for Social Science, Business & Education at large research university library. Come January 1, the Head, Research & Engagement with the same employer. No kids, no pets, no spouse, though I'd like a cat. I just haven't convinced myself to pay the pet deposit at my apartment complex. - ellbeecee
Laurabrarian tally 2 and counting! - maʀtha
Jaclyn - soon to be ex-electronic resources lib at large public teaching university. Dark chocolate, pizza (hold the anchovies), no pets unless you count the 2 children. In SoCal, where we get no winter (to our detriment). OA/accessibility reviews/diversity in libs are three things I'd like more of. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
John. Assistant Director at largish public library. In charge of technology and stuff. Hugo award winner. Editor of the SFWA Bulletin. Aspiring writer. Not a fan of dark chocolate. Loves to cook (and eat). Mostly love winter but hate all the house upkeep it makes. - John: Thread Killer
Heather, collections strategy librarian at mid-sized Canadian university. Pizza and chocolate are dandy as long as I don't have to pay in USD. Medicated me will love your cats and dogs. Winter's also dandy but I need a new set of yak tracks. I'll pass on Gunsmoke: Terry Prachett audio books do the trick for me. - Heather
Rachel, medical librarian at Vanderbilt *until tomorrow* - then taking on directorship of medical library and biomed communications at ETSU. Will be paying a $600 pet deposit at the new place due to the 3 cats and 100lb dog. - Rachel Walden
Jason Fleming, Information Technology Librarian at a medium sized academic library - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
Stephen Francoeur, user experience librarian at a medium-sized public college in New York City. - Stephen Francoeur
Community college library director in the mitten. Chocolate is good. 3 dogs. Winter is good. - J. Marie B
Oh, hey, I'm on a committee which is trying to reach more community colleges with NLM resources. Ping me if interested in learning more. - maʀtha
Stephan!e, small branch library director at oldest public univ. in US. Likes *good* dark chocolate, cats, and pizza. Ordered $45 worth of pizza for student staffers tomorrow, along with therapy dogs. library interests = reference, promotion, journalism, PR, and interdisciplinary things. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Mita, user experience librarian from a mid-sized university in the rust-belt of Canada - but who knows what I will be when I return to work from sabbatical in January. I just talked for an hour for a webinar that no one attended. And it was still awesome :) - copystar
Rudy, currently an outreach & instruction librarian in Nevada. Feminist, vegetarian, foodie, speculative fiction, cats. Dark chocolate. Chicago pizza. Cheese. Library interests: outreach and engagement with campus, the role of liaisons, social science data users, social media and emerging technology in libraries. Looking to move into administration - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Lily, newly-minted, fresh-outta-library-school ref/instruction librarian at a medium-ish for-profit college in NYC. Pomegranates. Ask me about accessibility (universal design, library services to patrons with disabilities, assistive tech, etc.). - Lily
Maurice Coleman -- Master of Training and Speaking. Keynote and Speaker of Color for Hire. Trainer at Best Damn Public Library in Maryland. Host and Producer of Library Training Podcast T is for Training. Geek. Sports. Next week I start heading up our new Innovation Lab. Winter shoveling sucks. Any pizza is good pizza when served with a good beer. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Marianne, circulation team coordinator at a small liberal arts college. I am also fresh outa library school, although for me it's more of a "fresh back from" since I did my degree online while still working at my current job (which I've had for about 4 years now, and a similar job at the same place for 3 before that). Pro-pizza, love all chocolate, but there's a lot of stuff I can't or... more... - Marianne
Definitely interested, Martha. - J. Marie B
Now I want pizza..... - Mary Carmen
Zamms, metadata librarian at an office in the international department of a large, well-known North American country. - Zamms from iPhone
Newbie systems librarian (former e-resources and serials) at large regional university in Oklahoma (yes, we have winter; no it isn't too bad, mostly). Learning the new ILS and my new job at the same time! Dark-dark chocolate (80%+) and cracker-thin-crust pizza are now topping the list of possibilities for my last meal. Yes, I'm suggestible. - Kirsten
Krista, web services librarian at a mid-sized university on a rock in the north atlantic (with our own half-time zone) - weelibrarian
But no halftime show - DJF from Android
*looks around for more lurkers* Come say hi, we're friendly, I swear! - maʀtha
Jen, e-resources/periodicals at medium midwest public university. Winter - no thank you. Pizza, yes please. Chocolate - dark. My mantra is "everything will be fine" because it will, of course. - Jen
Ruth, systems librarian for an astronomical observatory. I'm in Arizona, the observatory is under construction in Hawaii. Chocolate, coffee, pizza and beer: hell yes. Eggplant: hell no. Winter: I've heard of such a thing but not experienced it since I was a child, and I'm damn happy for that. Dogs, cats, child and multiple computers at homestead. Ask me about Drupal or PDM systems! - Ruth Kneale
Colleen, InfoLit Coordinator, Printer Whisperer, and General Purveyor of Awesome at CSU Channel Islands. Former 8-year Access Services/LibManagement wonk, reuniting with my original love for teaching and curriculum. Dog lover and slave to 2 basset hounds, Otto and Igor. Married to fellow ubernerd Jed, Lord of Comics and Pop Culture. I collect advanced degrees for fun (MA, MLS, MFA,... more... - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Joe, at the University of Denver. I even remember when the LSW was using the pre-FF Meebo Chat Room way back in 2008. - Joe
Another Laura, a/k/a LB. Associate Director for Special Collections at a private university in GA, so I'm more of an archivist, really. All pizza is fine as long as you hold the mushrooms and anchovies. All chocolate is welcome. Two dogs, but I will pet your cat. Winter is not a problem. I need to learn more about DSpace and institutional repositories, but I love my job. (I do not, however, love bureaucracy.) - Larua Boats from Android
Jonathan, Head of IT at a mid-sized public university library in SoCal - the land of no seasons, also de facto web librarian and institutional repository manager. Moonlights as a brewer at local craft microbreweries, and free time spent as a youth soccer coach/ref. - jönαthaη
(All anybody needs to know about DSpace is RUN AWAY VERY VERY FAST.) - RepoRat
Deborah, sort-of-accidental systems librarian at small New Zealand university's combined library-and-teaching/learning/research-support dept (two of us supporting *all the systems*, occasionally getting in a bit of training as we go). Dark chocolate, all the pizza. Hot chocolate over coffee or tea, ginger beer over beer. (I don't mind a little alcohol with food if it tastes good but... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Laurabrarian Tally: 3 - maʀtha
(RepoRat: Not nearly as fast as one ought to run away from integrating DSpace and Elements.) - Deborah Fitchett
I see how it is, @DJF, you and your driveby snarking - maʀtha
(Also, I have eaten pizza with Martha. :D ) - Larua Boats from Android
(TRUE!) - maʀtha
Meg, science librarian at a large research university. In my spare time, I teach data-related workshops here and there, in addition to a semester-long MLS course on data librarianship, and I also have a science-writing gig. Clearly I'm bad at hobbies. Beer? Beer. I also love snow. - Meg VMeg
Robin, Director of Technology at a regional system in Kansas. I also write books and teach Project Management at Library Juice Academy. Milk chocolate - any kind; carnivore toppings on my pizza, 2 dogs but I have a cat tattoo. I'm not a fan of winter, but not enough to move away from it. - WebGoddess
(Deborah: what a nightmarish idea. :/ ) - RepoRat
Betsy, newspapers and microfilm librarian at a large midwestern public library. Pizza yes, hold the olives. Like Deborah, hot chocolate over coffee or tea, ginger beer over beer. Milk chocolate, dark chocolate, it’s all good. I love winter. Currently dog-less, but hoping to remedy that in the next couple of years. Whovian since 1981. - bentley
Anali, Scholarly Communications/licensing librarian at a large research university. I live in Phoenix, I don't do winter. I love coffee, beer, pizza, but am middling on chocolate. 2 kids under 3 & 3 needy cats, but luckily I have a husband to help manage all the needs. - Grumpator from iPhone
Hi Anali! - maʀtha
Jeff, title-free community college librarian, stapler fondler, tweaker of borrowed scripts, support-ticket-enterer. Somebody is giving out dark chocolate? Ok. - JffKrlsn
Katie, collection development in a specialized division of a very well-known governmental library. Baking addict, yarn connoisseur, romance genre wonk. Lives part of her life as an alter ego. No pets or any other living things in my home, though I wouldn't mind some plants or a dog at some point. Chocolate, yes--though I prefer milk, and pizza as long as I have dairy pills handy. - Katie
Kathy, still in the "who the hell put me in charge?" phase of my career at an acad lib. App to Ed Leadership doc program submitted. Milk chocolate. Pizza is best made at home with friends to feed. I screen my calls. Winter is best with snow. Bouncy guard dog of a rat terrier, Link. H-son's broadening my parenting skillz with lots of new things this year: girlfriend, show choir, wrestling, and low interest in getting his learner's driving permit. - Kathy
(Btw, you don't have to share real names or job details or real anything, say hi anyway) - maʀtha
Jen. Information Technology librarian in the wilds of Maine. Longstanding fascination for 'how to have a better online life' (in terms of getting what you want out of it), computers, books, and organising all the things. (Also currently engaged in an epic knitting project.) One cat named Astra, one folk harp, and I am fond of chocolate that involves either coffee or hazelnut. - Jennifer Arnott
Beth/Elizabeth. Administrator at a medium-sized public university in upstate New York. Coffee: dark roast, chocolate: Cadbury's royal dark; cats: two; child: one; snow: OK but I don't have much choice; pizza: sausage and onions; beer: Spaten or a good Czech pilsner; hobbies: knitting (although in a dry spell right now) and cooking. I like to think of life as material for the ultimate movie comedy. - Elizabeth Brown
(Jen: I miss Maine. I get to go to Waterville in June for my 20th reunion and can't wait. :) ) - ellbeecee
Kaijsa, academic librarian at the only university in Wyoming. I have many titles to choose from, but mostly work with humanities, teach, and play with tech. Am an outgoing introvert. Love coffee, dark beer, white wine, and bourbon. Dark chocolate but into savery more than sweet foods. Am from the PNW and prefer to keep snow in the mountains and not town, but live at 7220 feet--so, you know. Snowshoeing is fun. Hobbies are reading, music, perfume, and being a smartass. - kaijsa
(This feels like an online dating profile.) - kaijsa
Abigail, medical librarian in Chicago. Lots of interest in Data. Compulsive knitter and drinker of tea. 2 cats and one Philosopher at home. Chocolate is always welcome, though I think white chocolate is weird. - Hedgehog
Kendra, transportation librarian in Berkeley. Likes data, policy, and research. Record collector and plucky left back. 2 guinea pigs and a computer chip maker. Chocolate is OK, but I prefer pickles. - kendrak
(I know, Kaijsa! Everyone is sticking with my format which I didn't intend to be a format) - maʀtha
Another Laura, web services librarian at Sonoma State. All the pizza and all the chocolate, yes, please now. Plus coffee. Plus beer. I like California winters, which are actually fall. Feminist bleeding heart liberal. I read and I sew and I knit. Is there anymore pizza? - Laura Krier
Courtney F., electronic and educational resources at Belmont U in Nashville. Pizza should not have vegetables on it at all. I run so I can eat what I like (and drink beer). Winter stinks because it's so gray all the time. I am librarychic around the web and have more hobbies than i can handle :) - ~Courtney F
Laurabrarian Tally: 4. Do we have a quorum yet? - maʀtha
I really feel like there are tribes of librarians, and I'm pretty sure the Lauras are one of them. Also the Jasons. - ellbeecee
(Martha: a friend used to call it a quarrelum.) - bentley
Katy. Supervising Librarian at smallish medium public lib. I work mostly in Adult and Children's services, but I've been known to work in Teen and Genealogy. I've also done some cataloging when one of the catalogers was out. I manage the Children's collection (doing most of the selecting, but i have a few selectors for other areas) and I select in the following areas for the adult collection: 000s, 400s, 500s, 600s, and sf/f. I also manage the blog. I'm the person they can put anywhere in a pinch. - Katy S
Oh yeah, I have no life. Chocolate is almost always appreciated. Servant to two cats. - Katy S
You people are awesome. Okay about the other >900 of you? Feel free to start making stuff up :D - maʀtha
Those other 900 may be making up their entire existence, judging the number of them posting weight loss tips... - Zamms
Andy,head of the reference department at a public library in NJ, very late to this thread, and the my boss's most frequently asked question of me in the six months i've worked there is "have you pissed off any librarians today?" (Usually yes, mostly on Twitter.) - Andy
Nancy, former systems librarian at a small, public, liberal arts college in FL.Currently "between jobs." Likes: dark chocolate, pizza (no mammal-based toppings except cheese, of course), vodka, cats & dogs, cool weather. Dislikes: bullies, humidity. LSW rocks! - Nancy Sp♠id
Galadriel, head of e-resources services at large university library in New England. Only very good and very dark chocolate; two cats; pizza with spinach, feta, and onions; leave a message and I might eventually call back for immediate reply, e-mail. I like all four seasons, am bummed that winter here is sans snow so far. - Galadriel C.
Rachel Walden
Random poking up of the head: I've been missing from the librarian interwebs for a while due to life stuff and figuring out my next step. Many of you already know, but starting in January I will be the new Associate Dean for Learning Resources in charge of the medical library and biomedical communications at ETSU in Johnson City, TN.
Congrats! - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
Yay and hi again! Sounds like a great move -- wishing you the best! - RepoRat
hooray hooray hooray! You deserve the change, and you will be awesome. - Jenica
Congratulations! - bentley
congrats! Awesome news! - ellbeecee
awesome sauce - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Thanks all! :) I'm pretty excited. In addition to jobby goodness, I'll be about an hour from where I grew up/where my parents still live, and close to the mountains again. - Rachel Walden
Congrats! - John Dupuis
Tell us about the biomedical communications part. I'm curious. - maʀtha
Congratulations! - Jen
Right now, biomedical communications is a digital design and print shop housed inside the medical library. They design & print large-scale items like research posters (including the fabric ones!). They do other signs, displays, table tents, etc. One project they did was to work with a pediatrician to produce a book for his patients. I think there's actually a lot of potential there re:... more... - Rachel Walden
that sounds SO exciting, Rachel. - Jenica
that is cool! - RepoRat
That's awesome! Congratulations on the new gig and best wishes for it to be a great experience! - kaijsa
Oooh. You kinda have a built in makerspace. - maʀtha
This is better than the usual library song parody:
Yeah, that singer can really sing. - Steele Lawman
She's talented! - RepoRat
Love this video. It's Nashville - we joke that everybody at karaoke has had singing lessons. - Rachel Walden
because puppets - maʀtha
Apparently @jonathancoulton now has a gig on, NPR's Ask Me Another. That's nice. Way to go JoCo, looks like I got a new show to enjoy.
That's a fun show, I listen every weekend. - Rachel Walden
Do you (and/or your colleagues) dress up for Halloween at your place of work?
We used to at MFPOW. I have no idea if they do at my new one. - bentley
Not really. I generally try to wear something tastefully-orange, though. - Catherine Pellegrino
I'm gonna wear my usual black outfit & pink feather boa. Feathers, they will be everywhere - amusing cats (at home) and people at MPOW. Probably not amusing the wonderful cleaning people tho. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
No - maʀtha
they do. I pretty much outgrew Halloween around age 10 or so. So I don't, no. - MoTO: #TeamMarina
MFPOW last year. Some departments went with group costumes. (I was part of a three-person costume. I was the ampersand. ) - bentley
No. We do have trick-or-treating in the union (tons of booths) and it's great to see all the kids in their costumes. Colleagues will bring their little goblins by my office to trick-or-treat me--I need to remember to get candy before Friday--which is mostly an excuse for me to see them all dressed up. It's fun. ETA: we do have a lab school (K-9) and a daycare/preschool on campus, so we have a lot more kids around than many universities. Plus trick-or-treating is open to the public. - kaijsa
Probably not. Mostly because I have my hands full enough getting everybody ready for the day - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
Nope. - laura x
It's an option with the caveat that we shouldn't wear something that might scare young children. I'm wearing a monster-themed t-shirt under my cardigan. - Katy S
i used to have these killer elf ears that i'd wear and dress normally. some folks didn't even notice. - jambina
My default is a baseball hat with Yoda ears, but I don't know where it is right now. - bentley
Years of LARPing have ruined me for wearing costume. It feels too much like work. - Andy
we have the option. I usually do something that also doubles as a normal outfit, because i don't feel right teaching students in a costume :) I'm thinking Rosie the Riveter this year. - ~Courtney F
We're hosting a costume contest for the students this year, so we're encouraging staff to dress up as well. I have a costume planned, but I also have a meeting that the provost might be at that day, so I may be changing in and out of my costume as needed. - Freeda B.
No, we do not appreciate whimsy. I haven't even been offered any candy yet. - Rachel Walden
Steele Lawman
So I re-installed YikYak just in time to see students claiming they had sex in the library last night.
yay. also I bet they were lying. - RepoRat
Young adults lying about sex in an anonymous online forum? Surely you jest! - Steele Lawman
Huh, mine aren't bad at all. Though one is complaining about the wifi at Stephen's work? - Meg VMeg
Our study rooms have clear glass walls for related reasons. - kaijsa
Same for us, but some students have figured out that the moveable white boards do a good job of covering up those windows. - Joe
Ours get the boot if they cover the windows! - kaijsa
I was inspired to peek at ours again and found that somebody is doing a Gossip Squirrel thing. "Spotted: Squirrelrina Van Der Woodsen eating an apple core on a trash can. I heard she was dating Nut Archibald but he is nowhere to be found. -XOXO Gossip Squirrel." I approve. - kaijsa
Oh, that's quite good. Our students have a thing for squirrels, too. It's sex, food/bathroom, drinking/drugs, slandering the college president, complaining about campus technology, and squirrels, roughly in that order. - Steele Lawman
I am on the verge of installing it here... - laura x from iPhone
I don't have a device that would support it, but even if I did, there is not enough money in the WORLD to get me to see what ND students are posting. No. Way. - Catherine Pellegrino
Someone is spamming ours with Bible quotes and it's pissing everyone off. - Meg VMeg
I deleted my app again because I don't need to see all the "I'm so drunk in class" posts (ugh), but was happy to see a bunch of our students who post fond things about some of our local eccentrics. They seem to enjoy seeing people let their freak flags fly, which is nice. - kaijsa
My latest favorite: "I apologize to my neighbors for the dying whale sounds. I'm trying to get out of bed." - Julie Kane
(Most of ours are about Netflix and mainlining Gilmore Girls episodes when not slamming the wifi). Also, everybody seems to want a Cuddle Buddy. - Julie Kane
Why do classes start so early on Friday, food in Burge, complaints about other people having sex, Adderall, pro/con Asian students, I wish I had a boyfriend. It's actually sort of sweet. - laura x
Oh, why did I download Yik Yak... - Rachel Walden
Rachel, I hear ya. More like Yik Yuck a lot of the time: racism, sexism, ...and more! - Stephen Francoeur
Instruction question--what's a good way to explain to students why the DB uses subject terms that are much different than from what they might type into the DB unaided?
I always say it is because databases are very literal. They don't understand which meaning of the word you mean. E.g. nursing, cavity, Ed (emergency dept or education) - Hedgehog from Android
also, I call the subjects "tags." Maybe they'd understand that different people would apply different tags to the same item? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Seconding Stephanie's advice. I tend to use the word "tags" for the same reasons. - Stephen Francoeur
Thanks. I do the literal thing sometimes too. I like the word "tag." - YvonneM
I say that subject headings are what librarians think they should be, not what normal people think they should be. Which at least flags them as useful but problematic, without actually explaining why they are that way. - Steele Lawman
All of this. Also, it has to do with learning disciplinary lingo. What terms would a sociologist/psychologist/anthropologist use for this concept? - maʀtha
I also give the example of diabetes - who wants to search for >10 different terms for diabetes? The correct subject heading exploded retrieves everything regardless of variations in terminology. - maʀtha
I explain to them that there are a lot of different ways people could write about the same concept, and give them an example (e.g, heart attack, MI, myocardial infarction), and explain that using the subject terms help make sure they're using the "right" term for the database, helping them capture articles on the topic even if people wrote about them in different ways - Rachel Walden
sometimes, depending on the audience, I tell them that it's like learning another language - along the lines of what others have said. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I say that there are different groups all referring to the same concept by different names so they have to pick one name and go with it, even if it a) isn't what you'd call it b) might be slightly different in connotation (like optical radar, ladar, lidar) - Christina Pikas
laura x
I wish I could stop being depressed for me, but I really, really, really wish I could stop being depressed for toddlerx. He just said, "Stop crying, Mommy."
i can't wait til i'm a 4 hour drive from you. - jambina
oh, my dear friend. *hugs you and Peter* - Marianne
Oh Laura. :( :( :( :( :( - lris
Thank you all. My mom just got here. - laura x from iPhone
I'm glad you're mom is there to help. Take care! - Katy S
I am so sorry this is happening and hope it is a brighter tomorrow. - Janet from FFHound!
Oh hon... *HUG* - Soup in a TARDIS
(((Laura))) - Anne Bouey
:( *hugs* can we do anything to help? - Sir Shuping is just sir
I think it's more than okay for our children to see us being sad. It shows them that sadness is okay, crying when you feel sad is okay, it's nothing to be scared of, even grown ups feel sad, etc etc. And they learn sympathy and empathy. Even at toddlerx's age! Josiah learned very early on that sometimes Mummy cries for "no reason", but she won't always be crying, and if he wanted to... more... - Melly
Hugs and positive thoughts and some prayers, if you like. - Friar Will
Hugs and more hugs. - Steele Lawman
(((((laura))))) - Jenny H. from Android
Best wishes to you and family - Steve C Team Marina
Hope you're feeling better, or at least getting lots of hugs from your mom. I'm prone to the crying, too. {{{Hugs}}} - The Other Yvonne
Courage, sister. - Corinne L
*hugs* - Stephen Mack
Love you, Laura. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
*hugs* to both you and toddlerx. I'm so glad your mom was able to be there for you. - Katie
much love to you, Laura - maʀtha
Aww honey. - YvonneM
:( positive thoughts to you. - Jen
Moar hugs. - Joe from iPod
wish I could help in some way. hoping it gets better, soon. - MoTO: #TeamMarina
what everyone else said, plus ep. what Melly said. And big hugs to both of you. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Yes to what Kelly said too and sending big hugs your way. - Galadriel C. from Android
hugs and support - Rachel Walden
Christina Pikas
Mom fell last night, hurt her leg, and apparently didn't move from the chair where Dad parked her until 15 min ago when my sister found out and called 911. what is with these people not calling for help?
:( that sucks i'm sorry! *HUGS* - Sir Shuping is just sir
Sorry that happened with my parents too - Steve C Team Marina
I'm so sorry about this. - Galadriel C. from Android
Oh God, how awful. - laura x from iPhone
Any news? How's she doing? - Kirsten
nothing was broken (this time - they did locate all of her previous breaks - she's dissolving from osteoporosis) but they kept her in the hospital so she could get started on physical therapy also because they were seriously concerned about what help she has at home (none) - Christina Pikas
Oh my gosh. Hope she's okay. - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
I'm looking for examples of emerging technology labs/technology sandboxes in libraries. I have the NIH Library and NCSU libraries - not really looking for just "makerspaces" - know of any off the top?
Would UNR's DeLaMare library count? We have all the various Maker stuff, are a force in the community, run all kinds of play.maker/tech workshops, arduino, Oculus Rift, Google Glass etc kinds of things? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Not 100% certain of your criteria but we do. Ish. I think? - Nikki D.
Yes, definitely thinking Oculus, etc. Thanks! - Rachel Walden
Chattanooga Public Library and their 4th floor? - Hedgehog
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
the nonprofit I interviewed with last week needs a yes or no by week's end. I honestly don't know what to do. I've listed the pros and cons and it comes out mostly a wash in terms of potential risks versus rewards. part of me is truly excited by the challenge and sheer insanity of the job. the other part just wants a decent paycheck and benefits.
por ejemplo: $9/hr at 20 hours a week. no benefits, no tech provided, no budget for anything unless I raise the money myself. ED hasn't been paid in 3 years and I've no doubt he expects a similar level of sacrificial attitude about "the mission." - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Hold out for something that pays better and has bennies. You can get it. Work that network. - Spidra Webster
OTOH: I could make it my own, build it into a permanent gig over time and meanwhile stretch my skills and exposure, connecting to a ton of people here I otherwise have limited access to. Even if I just did it for a few months. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I hear you, Spidra. Trust me. At the moment I'm lured by my romantic imaginings of being The One That Made This Organization What It Is or She Without Whom None Of This Would Be Possible. I COULD RULE THEM ALL! And still get to sleep in late. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Is the mission something you are truly, personally, passionate about? If not ... you're worth SO much more. - Laura Norvig
It is, Laura. That's what I'm struggling with. It's a nonprofit supporting tech start-ups in Athens. It combines a lot of what I love in terms of helping people find the resources they need to realize a vision that in turn helps the community at large and solves problems. Plus I could spearhead adding a program for veteran entrepreneurs, which the ED said he was open to. And that (as... more... - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
this is the org: if anyone wants to take a gander and share impressions. always appreciated. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
well, I said yes. we'll see what happens. first day will be Tuesday the 7th. I'll be spending the weekend trying to dig up some professional looking clothes. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I would try to look into their financials as well and see how their $ divides up into %s for staff support, fundraising, etc. I feel like the burnout potential is going to be super, super high. On the other hand, if you are super into the mission and see it possibly as a temporary situation (2-3 years), it might be perfect. - Rachel Walden
I wish you the best of luck in this new PT job, t-ra! - Spidra Webster
Thanks ffolks. I'm gonna give it my best. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Good luck! - Rachel Walden
that meeting i was just in was BRUTAL. omfg, i had nothing but expletives in my heart. -
that meeting i was just in was BRUTAL. omfg, i had nothing but expletives in my heart.
what was the topic at hand? - RepoRat
the mis-use of a MARC field in our catalog records. - Marie
Guilty! (runs for cover under a desk). - Jen
yikes - Rachel Walden
run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! - RepoRat
Oh that is downright terrifying. - Galadriel C. from Android
Just horrible. - Joe
How to Make Calzones (And Freeze Them for Later!) -
How to Make Calzones (And Freeze Them for Later!)
How to Make Calzones (And Freeze Them for Later!)
"Calzones are a favorite in my house, not only for a relaxed weekend dinner but also for wrapping up, freezing, and eating for lunches all week long. Lunch or dinner, they're the perfect little "hot pockets" (ahem!) of cheese, veggies, and leftover meat. Here's how to make them." - Derrick from Bookmarklet
I just read this. SO HUNGRY. - holly #ravingfangirl
I've never made them, but now I'm all curious. - Derrick
Homemade hot pockets sound Awesome. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I've had a real hot pocket exactly once. I bought it out of a vending machine and it made me sick. I hope to have better luck with these homemade ones. - Derrick
I wonder what kinds of cheese work best. - Rachel Walden
I had to live off of the broccoli, cheese and chicken Hot Pockets for a time because I worked nights (6p to 11p and then 3a to 8a, back to back; it was Hell) and I had time and budget constraints. Those were the only truly palatable ones. I had Pop Tarts, too, and a few other things, but the food all had to be very fast and simple. My life sucked. But that particular flavor of Hot Pocket wasn't too bad. (The chicken could have been less like lunchmeat and more like actual pieces of meat, but, oh, well.) - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Everyone please to wish Rachel a very happy birthday!
Happy happy, Rachel! And keep up the good fight. - laura x from iPhone
Happy birthday, Rachel! - bentley
Happy birthday :) - Pete
Happy birthday, Rachel! - RepoRat
Many happy returns! - Megan loves summer
Happy birthday! - Catherine Pellegrino
Happy Birthday! - Katy S from iPhone
Happy bday! - Joe
Hope it's a good one! - Stephen Francoeur
A very happy birthday to you Rachel! - Galadriel C.
Happy Birthday Rachel!! - Hedgehog
bonne fête, ma belle! - jambina
Happy birthday! - Jen
A belated but very enthusiastic thank you! - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
Do we have any Kansas City Public Library folks on here?
Kansas or Missouri? The KC Kansas public library is in my region and I have contact info for folks there, but not so much for the Missouri side. - WebGoddess
It's Kansas City, MO. We had a few book donations turn up with their barcode on them that aren't clearly (to me) withdrawn, so I wanted to try to check on them. - Rachel Walden
Yeah - good luck - I have nothing more than what you'd find on their website. Hopefully someone from the library will be here, though! - WebGoddess
They've got live chat help on their website, but it's QuestionPoint, so I don't know if you'd get someone actually from that library or not. - Catherine Pellegrino
Ok, thanks anyway though! - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
I know a medlib who is taking a Coursera on data science right now and is enjoying it a lot. She'd like to talk to someone who does data science work, and I know there are some of you here, but my mind is completely blank. Help? Anyone willing to be put in touch w a good egg?
@DainaBouquin & @l_zilinski were both in my IRDL cohort & were awesomesauce. Daina's more medical, Lisa more academic. And yeah, @hedgielib. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Sure point her my way. Also @KristinBriney, Dorothea, Amy West at Milwaukee, and I've some other people on Twitter from RDAP if that'd help. - Hedgehog
Depends on what you mean by data science. If it's analytics or visualization, I can't help you. If it's management and preservation of data, I can. - RepoRat
Thanks all! - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
YOU GUYS. What was the name of the guy who would always post complaints to email lists about, uh, (afraid of summoning...) a public library in a city in Massachusetts? Something reminded me but I can't find it and now it's bothering me.
Don Saklad? - Larua Boats from Android
Don it is, the one and only. - Walt Crawford
The scariest thing? I didn't even have to Google to recall his name, just to find a link to share. - Larua Boats from Android
Thank you. That's exactly who I was thinking of. - Rachel Walden
omg ... i know that guy! he also tips into glbt* groups to remind us all to have safer sex. - henry
Rachel Walden
Requesting IT to unblock an LGBT news not make me unleash Friday hell, people.
*cowers* - MoTO: #TeamMarina
I once had to write to our IT folks to unblock FriendFeed. Turns out, it was right after the auto-timeline moving was added, and the spam-protecting bots thought it was malicious software. - lris
Don't make me have to come down there and box the IT department's ears. Here's hoping it's something innocuous. - laura x
It took until today but they've unblocked it now. - Rachel Walden
*whew* ... Is Friday hell anything like fresh hell? - MoTO: #TeamMarina
Friday hell is just like fresh hell except worse because why are you messing up my Friday I mean I'm prepared for nonsense on Monday... ;) - Rachel Walden
Steele Lawman
My 12-year-old son seems to be coming across YouTube videos filled with misinformation about feminism. I don't want to raise another aggrieved privileged white boy, so any recommendations for videos, channels, sites that are pro-feminist and boy-friendly?
*father of 11yo boy tunes in* - Stephen Francoeur
Recommending this with some reservations because of a recent poorly-considered and poorly-handled site merger, but: - RepoRat
this post is probably too "on point" to be of interest, but it made me feel better than I had in ages about video game sites, and eurogamer, in particular: - Marianne
I wish it were A LOT EASIER to answer this question! - Marianne
I'm planning on having my 14 yo kid look at when he gets back from his week away at camp. - Joe
Crap, all I can think of is Target Women: But I don't know if that's too adult or (even worse) too boring for 12 year-olds. - Meg VMeg
Scraping my tumblr I'd recommend this: and this: and this: and maybe this: - MoTO: #TeamMarina
I wonder if John Scalzi's "lowest difficulty setting" post would be too preachy for a 12yo? - Catherine Pellegrino
Thanks, everyone! I have a lot of watching/reading to do. (And thanks, Catherine, because I knew that I'd read that analogy before but didn't know where. The analogy might resonate for him, even if Scalzi's delivery might not.) - Steele Lawman
Interesting article, Marianne! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Yes, the Brain Scoop! that's what I was trying to remember, e.g., - maʀtha
(You're welcome, Steve! I thought the analogy might communicate well. And honestly, depending on how you feel about salty language, a LOT of what Scalzi writes might be good for him to hear.) - Catherine Pellegrino
this is just a list of facts, related to that post, but they are IMPORTANT facts: I found when people eyeroll at the analogy, some solid facts from solid sources are a good way to make them rethink. especially if they've been getting a lot of misinformation. - Marianne
on a related topic, when the time comes, you know about Scarleteen, right? - maʀtha
Feminist high school boys ask: Are you a feminist? (perhaps a little dry, but, relevant) - maʀtha
and what about some anime? Spirited Away, perhaps? - maʀtha
Might be something useful toward the bottom of - RepoRat
What sort of misinformation is he encountering? I am just curious. - laura x
and are you able to discuss it with him? or is he too sulky teen for that? - maʀtha
He brings it up, so it's something he's interested in and apparently he wants to talk about it. By "misinformation," I mean the notion that feminists think that women are better than men, or that violence against men is funny. I think he's also encountering the "not all men" point of view that feels unfairly targeted. - Steele Lawman
It's going to be hard to find a lot of video channels, because YouTube is one of the most hostile places to women posting feminist content. Will think on it and recommend if something comes up. - Rachel Walden
The "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" series? (I haven't actually watched very much of it so no idea if it's suitable for him or not but came to mind when Rachel mentioned YouTube as a hostile place for women...) - Deborah Fitchett
Adventure Time - who's main character ages each season and is now 15 - deals with the emotional life of a teenage boy in a remarkable way (caveat: not having been a teenage boy, this opinion is just a hunch) and the Vlogbrothers channel is great too, although the advice is usually the same: "use your words": an example: Why I love makeup: - copystar
Jim Hines's cover-pose series is a great way to talk about representation, while also getting across the idea that men can be feminists: - RepoRat
I definitely do not think of Adventure Time as explicitly feminist or educational about feminism. Vlogbrothers can occasionally get the point, but it would be nice if we could come up with some recommendations of actual women for him to listen to. Most of the feminism 101 materials I'm familiar with are going to be too advanced for him at this age, as are most of the books I would... more... - Rachel Walden
I didn't mean to suggest that Vlogbrothers or Adventure Time were explicitly feminist. But I think that they are "boy-friendly" media where relationship matters are addressed in a serious way that I think most feminists would respond positively to. - copystar
Read this before you recommend it to Mr. 12, because there's some pretty intense stuff in it, but maybe Strong Female Protagonist - RepoRat
Policy question: Do any of you have wording in a policy or two about indemnification? Basically, if the staff member follows the policy, they won't be punished for the outcome? If so, could you shoot me that wording either here or at ijastram at gmail?
More information: we're developing an emergency plan that asks staff at all levels to make decisions during stressful situations, and we'd like something in there about how they won't get in trouble for acting according to the plan just for everyone's peace of mind. Are there policies that require decision making at your institutions that build in protections for the people making the decisions? Or do you have other policies that say "you can only question the outcome of the process if you think the process wasn't followed?" - lris
I think I see what you're getting at, and I think it would be a laudable thing to include in a policy of this sort; I just don't have any examples to hand. - Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah, the key here is that we're trying to encourage staff at all levels to make stressful decisions based on a framework for action. No two emergencies are alike, so we can't spell out what to do in every situation, so as part of helping people feel empowered to act rather than hesitate, we want those who aren't used to making this kind of decision feel extra super safe in doing so. - lris
We don't have such language but if I were constructing such a thing I might call our campus Public Safety office or Office of Risk Mgmt to ask what phrasing they would suggest. - Marie
Seconding the advice to talk to Risk Management or Legal. I think what you want is something like the Good Samaritan laws that cover emergency responders, for example. - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
I got my "if nothing else today, this" item done. And then someone broke the glass in the front door of the library.
Wow. You really know how to punctuate an exit from a building. - lris
LOL it wasn't me I swear! Amazingly, nobody seems to have seen or heard anything. - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
All I know is I have "Harry Potter meeting" on my calendar for this afternoon. :)
Use a time turner to go back to figure out why it was scheduled. - Joe
I will be sure to use expecto patronum to keep dementors out of the meeting. - Rachel Walden
Accio agenda! - copystar
let me know if you need ideas for stuff to do in your library along with the exhibit - maʀtha
Martha, I absolutely need ideas! That's what yesterday turned out to be - planning meeting. I'd be really grateful for any thoughts you want to share. - Rachel Walden
Are you familiar with the good people of the Harry Potter Alliance? I'm wearing my Granger Lovegood 2016 tee right now - copystar
I have a ton, because we really leveraged the exhibit to do a lot of stuff. - maʀtha
excellent! - Rachel Walden
Patricia F. Anderson
RT @KingCiDot: Here is a graphic that breaks down signs of an abusive relationship. Please read it.
Let me point out a version of these signs can absolutely take place in abusive workplaces, too, with very minimal adjustment of the language. - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
Anybody have suggestions on tools/software for allowing library users to make reservations and see availability online? Wanting something to use for a special room and also day-long check-out iPads. Thanks!
We are looking at OpenRoom: Is anyone using that? - Rebecca Hedreen
We use MRBS for self-booking. University of Washington uses it, too. - kaijsa
We use OpenRoom at Baruch College. Here's an article about it at Virginia Commonwealth U. - Stephen Francoeur
I like to look and functions of this one at UNC Charlotte - Stephen Francoeur
We also use MRBS. - Deborah Fitchett
thanks! - Rachel Walden
Rachel Walden
Have any of you all written anything about changes to PLOS's institutional membership charges?
nope. hadn't heard, actually. link me up? - RepoRat
Oh, that's awfully disappointing. :-( - Deborah Fitchett
Oh..this is not good news. Sending notes to people now. - Hedgehog
well, shit. - jambina
I'm going to guess "not enough uptake from libraries to bother." Sigh. - RepoRat
How many no-fee Gold OA journals could Vanderbilt publish for $122K/year? Never mind; PLOS is a Verified Good Guy, so I shouldn't ask questions like that. - Walt Crawford
They're a Verified Good Guy who I'm pretty sure nevertheless could survive quite happily if they lowered their fees. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah: The last chapter of my Library Tech. Reports on Big Deal Damages (out any day now) has as one possible "solution," after "Transparent Prices," "Transparent Costs." I'd love to see such transparency happen during my lifetime...but that only allows about 30 years. - Walt Crawford
Another way of saying: "quite happily" may depend on personnel pay levels and perks, but otherwise I'm inclined to believe you're right. - Walt Crawford
ooh, Transparent Costs! sounds lovely! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
As I say in the report (not remotely in these words!), it's mostly a dream...whereas with FOI, transparent prices should be reasonably achievable. (On the other hand, some OA startups devoted to fair pricing--and maybe with university backing--*could* establish some actual costs...) - Walt Crawford
So the point is that there was never actually a discount. Libraries paid a 'membership fee' which covered the discount to institutional authors. This was just getting silly because there was a huge administrative overhead on both institution and PLOS on managing a zero sum system. So now if an institution wants either direct billing or to pay into a fund both those things are available.... more... - Cameron Neylon
..speaking as the person who took the decision to sunset the old program. More than happy to talk to anyone about this but we did it to simplify things and reduce overall costs in the system. - Cameron Neylon
I was gonna say that I'm pretty sure jh has been moving toward dropping all memberships and putting the money into a fund you have to apply for but that will pay full - Christina Pikas from iPhone
With author-fee funds dying like flies... yeah, I admit I'm concerned. But I do see the reasoning. - RepoRat
Christina, who's in charge of administering the fund and evaluating the applications? Researchers/faculty? Or librarians/administrators? Also, where does the money sit? Library budget? University/departmental budget? - Meg VMeg
Part of the issues was exactly that it didn't seem we were helping with author fee funds. The way it worked was we'd estimate volume, assess a membership fee of 10% of the expected costs, then find the volume was a bit higher than expected then have to assess a bigger fee the following year, on top of the volume increase so there was sticker shock - and the amounts were rising to levels... more... - Cameron Neylon
What has happened is that we have fewer US institutions using the new tools but a lot more UK and European ones. Certainly we're seeing a lot more UK/EU institutions establishing funds, less clear on how many US ones are dropping them. - Cameron Neylon
Yeah, that figures. I don't have hard numbers on the US either -- it may be a wash, because other funds are being established even as older ones die. - RepoRat
@Meg - it's out of the libraries budget, administered by the library, and there are some requirements - drat, they deleted the online guide since they ran out of money this year and the new year money doesn't start until July 1. Basically 1 publication per author, author has to state that they can't pay the fees out of a grant or other source, a copy has to be archived in the IR... I can't remember what else. - Christina Pikas
Whatever PLoS's reasoning is is fine for them, we're just not going to take on the costs or local administration of a fund of that type. (Note that this was not my decision to make on our end, so I will not be engaging in conversation about whether we should or not) - Rachel Walden
*nodnod* At MfPOW it was a lot easier to sell a membership than a fund. It fits into existing green-eyeshade categories and it's a lot less hassle internally. That's not to say it was a piece of cake -- I had to do the homework on how many authors and articles we were talking about -- but I'm pretty sure MfPOW still has some OA memberships, while the author-fee fund is deader than Generalissimo Francisco Franco. - RepoRat
... maybe all this is my next LJ column. I need an idea for it anyway. - RepoRat
There's definitely a wider discussion to have about where it is best to administer different kinds of system. I can buy that it's easier to subsidise by putting a smaller amount of money into a third party place. The catch is two fold - there's an administrative burden which to my mind is very inefficient on our side (the intricate variety of what different institutions want is... more... - Cameron Neylon
All that said, if there's real demand for a deposit account that gets use to provide institution marginal discounts then we could look at that again. But at the moment we've got much more demand for systems where the eligibility varies author to author based on their funding sources within an institution. - Cameron Neylon
You'd enjoy my summer lectures, Cameron. I spend a LOT of time hammering on the chooser-isn't-payer market dysfunction. :) - RepoRat
the thing with memberships, imo, was that a chunk of money would go to 10% or 20% discounts... when it was like not that for, say, $1000 they couldn't pay the apc but for $800 or $900 they could. It was like they either could or couldn't. library may want to endorse oa, but instead, they're endorsing one publisher and their offerings. and really, biomed vs all other fields of endeavor.... more... - Christina Pikas
@Meg here's how ours is handled if that's useful - Hedgehog
Somebody needs to ask, "Now that we know you think that it's on to tell jokes with the word 'slut' in them on stage at a national conference, what other kinds of jokes so you think are appropriate in that setting?"
Also, I'm now wondering, when was the last time a male professional comedian used that word in his routine? Because Stephen might actually have been unprofessional in TWO professions. - DJF from Android
He also thinks it's funny to make racist jokes about people's last names, as of last year when my co-worker walked out of his presentation. - lris
Folks. Any one think this is NEW behaviour? This is a Donald Sterling Situation. Many I think knew he was like this, it was just done with someone willing to share it. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Iris, he WHAT??? Oh my god! - DJF from Android
Oh, I don't think this is new at all. One of my first impressions of him was from sitting in the audience while he put up a picture of his daughter in a bustier. Nobody laughed. He was disappointed in us. - lris
And that's when he doesn't have a few drinks in him.... - Mary Carmen
I've heard stories about inappropriate behaviour at conference adjacent social events, but never on stage. I have long judged him for the things I already knew about. - DJF from Android
Both of my examples were on stage, DJF. - lris
Iris, I understand. I meant that I've never seen him behave like that on stage before. But then I mostly avoid his talks because they're either out of date or vendor pitches disguised as keynotes. - DJF from Android
I think Mo nailed it. The only real surprise here is that there are still organizations that feel comfortable having Abram as their public face. - Steele Lawman
I'm not surprised. Until people complain then probably they either a) don't know or b) think that no-one cares. That's why everyone (by which I mean primarily people who aren't directly targeted/affected) need to speak up early and often to make them know that we do care. (And maybe doing this will prevent the idea cementing in speakers' own heads that doing these things is okay.) Silence is complicity. - Deborah Fitchett
I am seeing on Facebook that there are people for whom this is all news. - DJF from Android
The online librarian world is a still a microcosm. Just because the news travels around the world fast doesn't mean it hits all the spots between hops. - Andy
I'll probably get yelled at for taking this to Tangentville, but one of the things that bothers me is the unprofessional behavior in calling SA out on, well, unprofessional behavior. It's not like the inappropriate actions of one party gives a free pass to everyone else in commenting, remarking, and otherwise reacting to the transgression. (This is from shit I've seen on Twitter in... more... - Andy
I'm with you on the grand moral scale, Andy, but on the scale where Abram wields more power and influence than most of us combined--well, sometimes power and privilege can only be attacked via unprofessional means. - laura x from iPhone
I'm hemming and hawing at that, Laura, but I see your point. My question then becomes whether giving up the moral high ground is the best course of action. I don't see what slinging mud gets you except just as dirty. It shifts from a moment of responding to unprofessionalism with professionalism to just a bandwagon beatdown. - Andy
I must be missing the really cool tweets. I see a fair amount of anger and disappointment, a little mild snarkiness, and maybe a sense that SA has been High Keynoter of Librarianship a bit too long. I haven't seen behavior that struck me as inappropriate *on a social network.* - Walt Crawford
And, frankly, "bandwagon beatdown" is starting to sound to me like an implicit defense for the offense and for SA: Without the "bandwagon" it just goes away. As has been happening for decades (not specifically him). I think more people saying "No, this was wrong, and the apology was worse" is essential. - Walt Crawford
"Sometimes the best you can hope for is to make the sons of bitches look bad." - Meg VMeg
Walt: the 'beatdown bandwagon' is part of my question about the benefits of abandoning the moral high ground. It's the difference between a group of people stepping up to say "this behavior is unacceptable and we are going to take steps to insure that it doesn't happen again in the future by insisting on better choices" versus "this behavior is unacceptable and we are going to take steps to insure that it doesn't happen again in the future by beating the shit out the offender as a public spectacle". - Andy
If people are using language about him like the language that he used, that's not so cool (and yet it's also not as bad, because *he used it as a powerful speaker in front of heaps of people*). If people are making substantive threats, that's really not cool and also a police matter. But if people are merely (as I've seen) saying vocally and maybe sometimes angrily that what he said was... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Shorter me: I need specific examples or at least description in order to read your comment as anything other than a tone argument. - Deborah Fitchett
I found them as part of a Twitter search for "abram" earlier this afternoon. For the most part, the reactions I've seen have been in the latter category that Deborah describes. I don't have any problems with that. But there are ones that fit into that first category. - Andy
I've seen some swearing, which I'm not entirely comfortable with. And I admit I have wondered today at what point the big pile on becomes harassing in itself. I think it is a valid question. - maʀtha
I also still think the initial comment was absolutely unacceptable and that the apology is lame & ineffective, that he doesn't really accept responsibility for his behavior. So, yeah. - maʀtha
+++martha - Andy
Well, I don't know about all the plus signs :) I'm still pissed off and I totally understand other people being pissed off. - maʀtha
It's agreement. :) - Andy
Interesting. I tried an "abram" search and found myself drowning in references to somebody's son AbRam and other stuff. Other than "Satan Librarian," still didn't find anything inappropriate re SA. - Walt Crawford
I suspect that, for some of us who've been around for a while, the possibility that SA's apparent Teflon coating may be wearing thin is too good to pass up. Which may not be moral high ground, but hey, most of us are just people. - Walt Crawford
Walt: So, are you saying "I didn't see it, therefore it did not happen"? As someone who by their own admission does not give me the benefit of the doubt, I'm curious as to the motivations for your nitpicking. I'm feeling that if someone else in this group had said it, you would be taking them at their word. - Andy from Android
Maybe I am, and maybe that's unfair. If a few people have gotten "inappropriate" in criticizing SA, that may (OR MAY NOT) be unfortunate--but not too surprising at this point. And I do know that Twitter moves too fast to do anything like comprehensive look-backs. Sorry. - Walt Crawford
I appreciate it. I'm not trying to defend SA; I'm just looking at a particular subset of the reactions that I find distasteful. I will concede that they are a minority of the tweets, that I don't fall into a tone de-rail, and that what matters here is what happens in the future. - Andy
Unfortunately, I can place a bet on what will happen in the future (by 2015): SA will continue to be in Hot Demand as a speaker (and probably on every CI/IL program) because he does such awesome PPTs. Once you're on top, it's remarkably difficult to be unseated. - Walt Crawford
Is he going to be in Vegas later this month? - Julian
Walt, which is why the high visibility "pile on" is important. It makes it more difficult for people to claim they didn't know about this behaviour. - DJF from Android
*nod* - maʀtha
Walt, under most circumstances, I'd agree with you on this. In the 21st century, i do have my concerns that the gossip rounds going to a (sort of) international audience, with various degrees of interpretations and extrapolations has some broader implications than you are admitting to. It doesn't really pass Kant's universality test (to me), for instance. That's a broad philosophical... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Note that I'm all for the "pile on"--it's the best chance of seeing some lasting change. - Walt Crawford
Ohhhh Walt, I'd like to see some causal connection to that last statement. As a counterfactual, I suggest Eric Montpetit's "Misplaced Mistrust" and Baumgartner and Jones "Politics of Attention" that suggests pile ons can and do lead to some disastrous policy effects in the long run. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
1. Can't offer causals. 2. It may depend on the "pile on." For many people, some with their own high standing, to point out the error of SA's ways seems likely to have more lasting effect than for everybody to say "ho hum, it's been two days and a couple people were distasteful, let's move on." Note that I've been scare-quoting "pile on." What I hope for is widespread recognition that this stuff was bullshit 35 years ago and it's even worse bullshit now. - Walt Crawford
(Pardon the possibly distasteful language.) - Walt Crawford
Well, I think "it may depend on what the "pile on" is important. For instance, "Groupthink" is often criticized for policy disasters, but the evidence suggests that high cohesion is not more responsible for failures than other factors. However, "feedback" effects based on what captures our attention, can create real policy problems. For instance, violence on the news tends to capture... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
On the other hand, I think that the so-called "pile-on" has been dead on in other areas. Most recently the story of Rob Ford in Toronto. In my ideal world, there would be a limited "pile-on" (which these days is not feasible as we cannot control the Internet), with a judicious use of limited formal institutions to deal with these issues. Policies around harassment and appropriate... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Wait. Do you honestly think that children placed in protective custody fair worse than they do when they live with the people who rape or otherwise abuse them? Really? - Katy S from iPhone
This thread has gotten way off the rails, so let me try to guide it back by saying that Stephen Abram is a dipstick. - Steele Lawman
Katy - that is a HUGE extrapolation of what I said. I said that our concern for child abuse results in more child protective services which in turn results in more kids taken from their homes for all purposes, because at least in Canada, the burden of proof for such cases is (rightly) much lower for protective services. But yes, I have it from a number of very prominent former deputy... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I'll admit this is a hot button issue for me. Here, the goal is to always place kids with family when possible. So, perhaps the laws and regulations are a bit different. But, I found the analogy a bit off for this case, anyway, for a variety of reasons - Katy S from iPhone
Back to Abrahm: I find it interesting that someone who felt the need, at several points, to call for civility could rationalize that joke as appropriate in a professional context. - Katy S from iPhone
I guess what I'm saying is ... should Abram ever be the focus of a whole whack of people's attention librarian or no? It's like how Carrottop and Pauly Shore are so unfunny that they become famous for how unfunny they are. The end result is more Carrottop and Pauly Shore, while other more important stuff (including how society should deal with child protective services) are ignored. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I don't think Abram is the whole focus; Abram is a particular case of some generally ugly undercurrents in librarianship generally and High Powered Consultant Librarianship in particular. I'm also concerned and unhappy that this conversation is turning into a bingo card. E.g. ryanish's comment struck me as a textbook . - RepoRat
Thanks, RR: I deliberately avoided the whole "silencing" issue because I think it has more resonance from those who have to cope with it--but I also believe it's absolutely legitimate. (Unfortunately, I lack John Scalzi's writing talents...) - Walt Crawford
Dude, I think the guy is a dipstick, but his name is Abram, no S. Let us have authority control in our pile on, or whatever the hell this is. - laura x
Sorry about that. Edited my comment! - RepoRat
I'll take your tone policing and raise you two pluralistic discourse theories and 10 positivist counter-factuals, RR! I should have stopped at the book recommendations I suppose. Thanks. (I also edited my comment.) - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
What RR said about the bingo card. - Rachel Walden
Anyone else noticed that the "pile on" essentially stopped about a day ago? Anyone want to take bets as to any actual consequences for SA? Or RR's HPCL in general? (High Powered Consultant Librarianship...) - Walt Crawford
Hahaha consequences hahaha. - Deborah Fitchett
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