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Happy holidays from the FriendFeed crew! - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Keiko Yamada, HealingBrush, Pelin Hazar and 292 other people liked this
Thanks to Kevin for another great logo...
- Bret Taylor
YAY! Snowmens!
- Yolanda
Cool logo! :)
- AJ Batac
I think they need scarves. They look cold.
- Yolanda
Great logo! Simple and fun.
- Brandon Titus
great :) çok sevdim bu logoyu :)
- Burak Budak
Cool :D
- Pedram
Kevin - that is an awesome logo!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
A nice tribute to Bill Waterson :)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- Steve C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Festivus!
- ◄ani625Ξ
Happy festive season to you all as well :)
- Niki Costantini
Happy Holidays!!!
- David Cook
love it~
- Sunny
Love!!!
- BeeLing
Glad you like it! (And glad people picked up on the Waterson influence :-)
- Kevin Fox
Merry Christmas! :D
- Ron
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Merry Christmas to all
- Craig Eddy
Merry Christmas!
- Svein Håvard Djupvik
Haha! I love horrified snowmen. Merry Christmas to FriendFeed!
- Chris Lasher
Joyeux Noel a tout le monde!
- Mathieu Ayel
Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays!
- Anne Bouey
Feliz navidad a ti!
- JA Castillo
Thanks! Happy Holidarys! Merry Christmas!
- Bill Romanos
happy christmas, chanukah and kwanzaa.
- D. Eda Goze
happy chrismas and a happy new year!!!
- ethan meccage
That's when they loved us :(
- Christopher Harley
Awwwww sniff
- Kevin Fox
Happy holidays! Take good care of yourselves and... enjoy those days off! <o> \o,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Merry Christmas!
- Ian May
Tks and love you all !!!
- Renchin(Reina)
ahh, the good ol' days.
- MikeAmundsen
Happy Holidays FriendFeers! <superbump />
- AJ Batac
cool!!
- Ferzvladimir
*bump*
- imabonehead
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
ای جان چقدر خوبه این
- WALL.E
1 yıl geçmiş üzerinden bretim taylorum vay anasına dimi..
- Taylan GERDAN (Tylolhot)
Best shop front, ever - http://flickr.com/photos...
Kazutaka Ogaki, dailyphoto, Jeff P. Henderson and 84 other people liked this
"Guitar Store" - in Southampton. Cool! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
they are probably open until 11!
- Morgan Haley
+1 Morgan... and they close at 6 to "get ready" for tonight's gig.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Heavy. Duty. HEAVYDUTY!
- Morgan Haley
aweaweaweawesome :)
- `aziz´ Alihan ÇETİN
bringing back the wall of sound
- Greg Guitarbuster
Great idea for a shop front.
- jjprojects
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
that's great! lol!
- Be Cookie Industries
I think dismissing users of any service and creating a hierarchy between 'geeks' and 'the rest of the cattle' is rude and unproductive.
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It is. That's why it's best to just let it go for the most part. See it, internalize it and keep going.
- Louis Gray
You're right. And I appreciate the perspective you provided in your blog post. Some of the comments and Tweets I saw across the Internet tonight (not FriendFeed-specific) were really disappointing.
- joey
moooooo
- Mike Chelen
I dunno, Mike, I just glanced at your profile and it looks pretty geeky to me.
- joey
The best part is that I wrote that 16 months ago and can continue to refer to it. It's not new.
- Louis Gray
joey: dont trust the profile, the profile must be a lie! cause secretly, im prone to liking things that would cost some geek cred :D
- Mike Chelen
Mike, I don't consider myself a geek so I think you'll pass the test ;)
- joey
joey: does this mean being able to join the party without having to fix some computers? because, fixing computers is kind of fun :P
- Mike Chelen
It's optional ;)
- joey
i haven't been a geek in nearly a decade. well, not a technology geek anyway.
- Joe Silence is silent
dang, missed the cattle thing. I just hope you feel better Joey!
- Jim in Real Time
Hey! Don't slander cows!
- Bernie Goldbach
Stage Five of Being an Early Adopter - http://blog.louisgray.com/2008...
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From June of 2008: "The adopter will, at this point, start heaping lavish praise upon the new product, in a quest to assert their dominance, and prove that they can, again, make a service successful, and to prove that all their belly-aching in the preceding months was valid. The adopter will use their blog and both the new and old service to call followers to migrate as a group, both helping the new shiny toy, and in turn, damaging the old one, out of spite and frustration."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Just because we understand doesn't mean we have to appreciate the tactics. Robert, I like you a lot as a person, and you have brought a lot of benefit to the tech community through your discoveries and your evangelism. But this is the role of yours that I like less. I think much of my activity and visibility was gained through watching you and learning some things you do well. But also through watching you, there are aspects of what you do that I have chosen to avoid.
- Louis Gray
Despite your apologies to the people you mentioned in your post, upon their leaving, you suggested that those who made noise on the way out the door should have instead stayed quiet. This would be a good time to take a deep breath and remember the reason you were so positive on this place. I am not personally offended, but I am disappointed.
- Louis Gray
What is interesting to me (and I think one of the reasons why this has me so irritable tonight) is that this human trait and these stages aren't limited to technology adoption. I've seen it in music and other art communities, projects in non-profits, etc. and it always grates on me. I want sustainable communities, but I suppose when finding the next big thing or being top of the food chain is someone's job or goal, it's hard to cultivate those. Where is the balance?
- joey
Fair enough. I've said my last word about it. I'm sorry I'm being a jerk but I did put in thousands of hours here and participated more than most people over two years. So, a few posts of disappointment are earned by me, even if they are disappointing.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks. Hey - you know I like you. I'm in the same boat you are, much of the time, but I'm being more measured. And piling on at this point validates the naysayers who were never productive, and who can gain from cutting down your enthusiasm in the future.
- Louis Gray
P.S. I intentionally didn't send this to Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis: here's the thing. There's a hide button on all my posts for a reason. Or you can even block me. If I really am migrating somewhere else then it won't matter if you block me, will it? That said, it was good times and FriendFeed still has some uses, like what we're doing here and live chats and such. Although I notice Leo Laporte's fans have largely moved back to IRC or Google Wave for his Twit shows.
- Robert Scoble
I won't ever hide you or block you. That's silly. Besides, I read all your stuff in Google Reader. I see the same things you do. We've talked about it a lot 1-1 even before the FB acquisition. It's all over but the shouting. But I say let's skip the shouting. :)
- Louis Gray
Great nail-head post, Louis. I like Drew's comment. ;) Being on the educator side of things, Robert, and always having to push students into the "latest and greatest" software and current upgrade, it does get old real fast, having to crank out new curriculum for the latest toy on the market. The basics of computer science are going by the way side in many programs at universities as a result. It's not a healthy tension. It's a contributor: we've lost students adding to the mix of enrollments going down.
- Melanie Reed
Robert, I hope if you remove your imports from here you'll add them over on Facebook. These are my Twitter clients - Twitter still doesn't cut it as a client for me. I also enjoy the threaded conversation, personally. Conversation in the same stream as your posts IMO clutters the conversation. I like to respond where I'm not cluttering up my stream.
- Jesse Stay
Leo picked up a story today that i brought to his attention via a for:twit delicious tag... when it hit http://friendfeed.com/twit-st... i added in some quotes from the article and he read them out while bringing up the topic... these tools are still useful if only a handful of people use them...
- Chris Heath
Louis: sorry, you don't see the same stuff I do. But I WOULD love to debate you on Google Reader. You can even see my tech news feeds here: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... works fast. My Google Reader takes more than a minute to start up. Useless.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: unlike Technosailor I would NEVER delete content, especially yours. That's why I thought he was such a jerk. By deleting his account on his way out he deleted MY content too. Grrrr.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, another reason I like Facebook :-) When your account is deleted your stuff stays on your friends' pages.
- Jesse Stay
Why would Google reader take more than a minute to start up? Mine took 12 seconds and that includes times to login.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Jesse: I know you and I like conversation. The stark reality that I've come to face is most people DON'T like having conversation, or, more accurately, they don't like having conversation with people they didn't invite to have a conversation with. I hope Twitter, if they ever add comments under tweets, will let us limit to ONLY those people we've personally added.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I'll expect that from Facebook before I expect it from Twitter. Imagine if you can limit a comment thread to just a specific friend list. Facebook is *so* close! Right now I can do that, but it also includes the other networks I'm in. I'm betting on them getting there very, very soon.
- Jesse Stay
I think what you are doing with your Twitter lists is great, and you are doing them better than anybody else. But I still prefer Google Reader. There's little to debate, because there is no need for a "one right answer" response. I would prefer to not read headlines and links all day on Twitter amidst the noise.
- Louis Gray
Louis: that's cool. I predict you'll change your view there within a year or two. I'm just ahead of you and am reading more inbound (more people, more things, more brands). Google Reader doesn't scale to the level I needed it to. Can't even handle more than 1,000 people. Grrr.
- Robert Scoble
Personally, whatever allows me to consolidate my workflow the best wins. Whether it's bringing all my services to e-mail or another client, or bringing all my activity into one service, that would be ideal. Right now what I'm doing is the best workflow I can come up with. I admit for me FriendFeed is getting to be less and less of that as Facebook gets more and more real-time. As for Google Reader, there are only a couple things keeping me from switching there.
- Jesse Stay
"Ahead of you" implies there's a contest. There's not. Twitter is infrastructure, and you're using it well. But you still can't have the conversations there like we are here. You still can't type in full sentences. Blah blah. You know this stuff cold. :) Lists are filters or window dressing on a weak foundation.
- Louis Gray
If you assume this place fades away or gets messy, I'll show you some interesting alternatives where I am already engaging. But that's for another day.
- Louis Gray
Lous, you, me, and Robert should all get in a room some day and show our alternatives. I have time tomorrow :-)
- Jesse Stay
Louis: yes. I'm waiting for you to find the way through the forest so we can follow you all again! That said, again, most people don't want conversations. They just want to learn. Remember libraries? They didn't have conversations either. As to 140 character problems that's why we have blogs, no? :-)
- Robert Scoble
I have time too!
- Robert Scoble
I'm in downtown SF though without a car so I'd need a ride (or you could meet at my hotel) :-)
- Jesse Stay
You're in SF? Hmmm. Let's talk first thing in the morning (9ish).
- Robert Scoble
Well, I will be at 9am - my flight leaves Utah at 7am MST
- Jesse Stay
Call me any time though - 801-853-8339
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I disagree with most people just want to learn. To learn what? Is this the corporatization again of how society is supposed to interact with one another....not based on relationship but on outdoing someone with more information? FriendFeed does (or is attempting) to do both as it should be.
- Melanie Reed
Jesse: call me when you're in SF. Melanie: most people just want to sit on the couch and be entertained. This is why Twitter pushes celebrities so hard! No work necessary, just scan through your favorite celebrities talking about their pimples.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Don't you think that is a rather shallow and corporatized assessment of your fellowman? I agree there is a market behavior. But who manipulated them to it? Let me use a metaphor: I can stop using any patience or long term goal thinking and just put a jar of sugar out on the table for dinner. It will give every body quick results. I can add to that some bacon rinds.... anything...
more...
- Melanie Reed
Robert said: "Most people...don't like having conversation with people they didn't invite to have a conversation with." But that's what's so cool about Friendfeed - no filter blocking the uninvited.
- Michael Slattery
Yes, Michael, FriendFeed is democracy in action. Every voice has a chance to be heard as if he or she was as good as the next man or woman no matter how insignificant their ratings or standing in the world of technology. We can be citizens of Whoville and FriendFeed welcomes all whos. :)
- Melanie Reed
If people don't want to have conversations how come so many people on Twitter are attempting to have conversations? People are clearly not just looking for information on Twitter or any of the other social networks.
- Eoghann Irving
I blogged about this here: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Wow, just catching up on this.... I too have invested THOUSANDS of hours here on FF - evidenced by over 18+K comments and 26+K likes. Very sad to see this platform die a slow death. The "forum" problem is real. I was horrified by how Mike and later Aaron were treated here on FF (crowd feeding frenzy at it's worse). I would LOVE to know what you all think is the next platform to "Discover" :)
- Susan Beebe
FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
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I don't know if that's a good idea for you, Robert. You might be better off making a clean break from FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks Robert, that's great news! Paul, hope you feel better...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Another reliable update.
- ashish
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed."
- Bruce Lewis
I guess the rusty wheel gets the oil...
- Cjay
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
OMGAWWWWW he still has "it"
- sofarsoShawn
oh im sorry Robert thats "The squeaky wheel gets the oil first" hehe, wasnt saying your are getting old or anything.
- Cjay
sofarso: I never lost it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But yes I would agree that allowing and or resting your personal branding on a service thats based on a cloud application with it's roots depending on a social network model is very risky.
- Cjay
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky.
- Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Paul, get well soon
- Shane
Well, I'm done for tonight. Thanks you Robert for the chat...
- Cjay
Good luck for the interview, Robert and thanks for the update. Hope Paul gets better soon.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks everyone. I'm actually not "very sick" though, just "kind of sick" -- it's mostly messing up my sleep.
- Paul Buchheit
from iPhone
be well!
- Laura Norvig
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul.
- Micah Wittman
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform).
- Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
The problem i see is that social network cloud applications seem to live in peoples heads rent free.
- Cjay
Hope you feel better, Paul.
- Kol Tregaskes
That will be an interesting interview, thanks for posting this update.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Can't wait for the interview!! Thanks to you and Paul for keeping us updated!!
- Rosemary Sorg
:?
- CW™
Robert, you will never leave FriendFeed as long it is here:)
- Patrik Johansson
+1 Patrik
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert, do you think Twitter is too unreliable or do you think the competition is healthy?
- John Cass
Feel better soon, Paul!
- Ruchira S. Datta
The walrus has eaten the oysters: http://bit.ly/nJrdl
- Michael Slattery
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
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I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A.T.
*processing statement...*
- Micah Wittman
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently**
- AJ Batac
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks paul
- Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence is silent
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place!
- Joe Silence is silent
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging?
- Jim Connolly
I second that!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Paul.
- CW™
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed.
- ashish
Thanks Paul for the update.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW
- Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah Wittman
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...)
- Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes.
- Itachi
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse +1
- Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited!
- Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer.
- ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
Johnny said it nicely here: http://www.johnnyworthington.com/...
- Mark Essel
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many."
- Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence is silent
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %?
- Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now).
- Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;)
- Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed
- Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen.
- Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy?
- Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul.
- Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet.
- Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now.
- Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host.
- Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;)
- CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words!
- Joe Silence is silent
Now this makes me feel hopeful!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon
- Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- Scott of Two Countries
Clarification is appreciated.
- DGentry
A respectable amount of information. Thank you.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Jason Huebel
yea - happy happy....
- Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
looks like good news ...
- johnpiercy
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Good to read.
- Grant Bierman
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :)
- 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes.
- ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
still curious, but understand
- Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
Exactly Eoghann.
- Itachi
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!!
- Rosalinda Mojarro
word!
- Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :)
- sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it.
- ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Good news :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base.
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Good to know.
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good point Jandy
- sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan Haley
Thank you.
- amygeek
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!!
- Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare?
- Patrik Johansson
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next.
- Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off.
- denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul!
- Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed Stats from December 2008
Mark Essel, Cristo, Eril and 30 other people liked this
I can't say this is the first time I've posted these (probably not). But no major surprises. This also debunks Mona's comment previously that I didn't like her enough.
- Louis Gray
I am also glad that those I follow have a much lower percentage of activity coming from Twitter. Diversity FTW. (See Scoble for his example: http://friendfeed.com/e...)
- Louis Gray
Sarah Perez is worthy of your likes.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Sarah gets lots of my likes. But there are a lot of people I like. I wish I could extend this to 25, 50 or 100.
- Louis Gray
Louis - Mona's comment...that's funny LOL!!!
- Susan Beebe
Very honored Louis! Wow.
- Robert Scoble
Almost all of my likes are your posts, LG - how come I'm not on yoru list? BIZARRE. I LOVE YOU LG!
- Mona Nomura
Interesting... Louis and I both share a strong "LIKE" on Robert's content and conversation...neato!
- Susan Beebe
Mona - LOL tooo funny!
- Susan Beebe
Wow - compared to the group of people I'm with, I'm very honored as well!
- Jesse Stay
no one will dethrone me :-)
- Mike Fruchter
Louis Gray doesn't find me interesting! sniff...first Scoble says I have no signal, now this. That's it, I quit the internet.
- Sarah Perez
Any one can game the system. Just go to Mona's feed and 'Like' every post. You aren't fooling anyone, Louis... Oh and Happy Festivus! ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Hi Sarah, you're wrong. And guess what, your picture is going in my very next blog post!
- Louis Gray
Bump for the good times - remember when we had FriendFeed Stats? (Louis is a great database of FF history)
- Jesse Stay
I ranked # 1. Those were the days :)
- Mike Fruchter
I miss "Like" Fruchter. :)
- Louis Gray
I thought it was "Like" Ffruchter - I miss him too :-)
- Jesse Stay
Anyone Still Using Friendfeed? - http://www.centernetworks.com/anyone-...
rukku, Carlos Sousa, Jimminy Fuller and 72 other people liked this
dreadful death.:(
- Igor Poltavskiy
:(
- Yolanda
A slow, lingering death is the worst.
- Greg Guitarbuster
article is pointing at Robert Scoble and Louis Gray, too.
- Joe Silence is silent
i'm not predicting the death of FF until they shoot it in the base of the skull. i actually use Facebook LESS post-acquisition.
- Joe Silence is silent
Maybe things were down in September because so many people went back to school?
- Nine
NO, IT'S THE FFPOCALYPSE! SHUT DOWN THE SERVERS NOW!! :P
- Joe Silence is silent
Long Live FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
LONG LIVE THE NEW FFLESH!
- Joe Silence is silent
FriendFeed is still the best place to 1) Aggregate all content from around the Web and 2) See others activity around the Web. Also, if you assume Facebook wins, piping content through here fills out your Facebook profile. So of course I'm still here.
- Louis Gray
There you go, Allen. Straight from (one of) the horse's mouth. :) Louis is still here, still active and even interacting with you.
- Curtiss Grymala
yep - i just saw a pic of his kid in a tshirt :)
- Allen Stern
Yes
- Alex Scoble
"Consultant Louis Gray appears to be using Google Reader to share content he finds interesting." Wait, I see him right up there.^^^^^
- Christopher Harley
why are folks abandoning? :(
- ffcode
hate facebook, and scoble's prediction that facebook would be the next big thing! you just can't help those folks that just get there for the girl-boy thing...or for their friends and family, there is a lot of people doing it there and a great section of that isn't of any help when it comes to questions and tech stuff, it might be a big thing but compared to friendfeed it is...
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- ffcode
Guys, this is FriendFeed comment bait. The chart on CenterNetworks isn't that good either. :) http://siteanalytics.compete.com/centern...
- Louis Gray
Ouch :p
- Chris Saad
oh snap! Louis is just mad because Cal lost again last weekend
- Allen Stern
Guys, this is not Friendfeed comment bait - The chart on Louis Gray isn't that good either :) http://siteanalytics.compete.com/louisgr...
- Allen Stern
URLTLDR
- Jay Cuthrell
Allen, October will be an up month for me. :)
- Louis Gray
why did the twins get computers? **oh snap** LOL
- Allen Stern
Me-ouch - nice work Louis about CenterNetworks!
- Shane
still here. (been posting this a lot lately....)
- Mike Nencetti
Still my favorite network. Why?
- Jesse Stay
You know it would be cool if everyone left FriendFeed because then Louis and I would have the edge against everyone else that left it in the dust. It's still an awesome tool guys!
- Jesse Stay
Using it every day
- Christopher Galtenberg
I keep telling you guys: this internet thing is JUST A FAD
- Ken Sheppardson
The chart on mine's going up, kind of: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/staynal...
- Jesse Stay
nice Jesse - keep it up!
- Allen Stern
Allen, I just hope that everybody stops blogging so I am the only one doing it. If you naysayers all stop FriendFeeding, that's fine too. Go have fun on your Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
I noticed a decline, but it really seems to be picking up lately, especially in the last week.
- RAPatton
i thought we were all going to posterous? i booked a big coach bus to take us all over there! rubel is driving! :-P
- Allen Stern
hahahaha "go have fun on your twitter" there isn't anything like friendfeed, no not even posterous...
- ffcode
*fierce eye roll*
- Chieze Okoye
In the old days this would have had hundreds of comments.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Allen, no, we're all going to SocialMedian now - didn't you get the memo?
- Jesse Stay
Robert, that's because your brother quit ;-)
- Jesse Stay
it's really simple: I control what I see and respond to on FriendFeed. On Facebook others control what I see.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert, are you coming here to tell us again that nobody uses FriendFeed anymore because it's too noisy?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
yup Robert i am with Bruce on this...:)
- ffcode
If it's too loud, you're too old.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
one of the reasons might be because FF team has moved on...
- ffcode
WHAT? YOU GUYS ARE BEING TOO NOISY
- Jesse Stay
I haven't noticed any big declines since the week or two after the Facebook announcements. Most of the people I interact with are still here... and I've subbed to new people... I don't know what that article is talking about. Seems like the article is a self fulfilling prophecy: let's say that everyone is leaving FriendFeed so that everyone will leave FriendFeed. Actually, it almost...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
kind of, though I've noticed most have changed exactly how they use it before and after the big sell, for example there are fewer imports of the particular services and more of personal blog RSS's, which I'm sure is due to who own the content issue
- sofarsoShawn
ffcode, Paul Bucheit posted something just yesterday, as did Benjamin Golub. They're still using the site.
- Jesse Stay
moved on as in moved on to another projects are they still working on ff?
- ffcode
jesse, but their activity has seen a drop, bret isn't doing much
- ffcode
I've personally noticed a large drop among the usual people I subscribed to. My main feed was so dead I even had to ask if the real-time feature broke down.
- sofarsoShawn
ffcode, they're working on the facebook code now... figuring out how to move forward while integrating the friendfeed features (iirc)
- Chris Heath
oh okay...
- ffcode
This makes me sad. :(
- April Buchheit
from iPhone
Great... Just when I was getting used to FriendFeed... So what's the new fad service? Outside of Google Wave and the still going strong Twitter/Facebook news, I haven't heard of anything new coming out lately. Maybe it's just me but I'm itching for more revolutionary free stuff. Posterous FTW though. :p
- Fake Name
ffcode, they released Tornado server recently. I think that was a pretty significant activity
- Jesse Stay
Fake Name, don't go anywhere... Long Live FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
For the record, Allen, Cal didn't lose this weekend because they had a bye week. :)
- Louis Gray
looooooooooooooool
- Allen Stern
Still here......
- Iain Baker
i'm of the opinion that FriendFeed (the service) is of more value -- to me-- than FriendFeed (the community) and if the community goes off and disipates it will be a loss, but the service is still worth a lot to me
- Chris Heath
April, please elaborate.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Louis, you mean a BYU week? Did you see how much BYU beat UNLV by? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Ok, Chris. I'll hold your Feed up to that scrutiny. :p
- Fake Name
agree with Judy...
- ffcode
In answer to the original question: yes! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah - April can't just say she's sad and leave it at that :-) Does she have insider information we're not privy to?
- Jesse Stay
this thread tops my best of day.
- Mike Nencetti
I stopped pruning my FF feed to promote interaction and don't bother sharing with FF as much. I just post links through twitter now and upped my usage for facebook. I also stopped updating the rooms I started.
- Alan Le
FF is still my favourite, although I'm quite. But that's due to other activities.
- Ton Zijp
this is control, and you all who registered on ff need to be here ASAP...and we need to rebuild the conversations ETA a day at most...
- ffcode
I'm still here. More active some days than others. But when we DO need to abandon the ship, why not try Cliqset?
- Patrik Johansson
hahhahaaaa, yeah that'd be FriendFeed done right
- sofarsoShawn
Yeah I read that article. I don't think it's better than FF, not close. But when FF goes down, maybe Cliqset could be something?
- Patrik Johansson
Fake Name, what scrutiny are you holding my feed up to? Not sure what you mean.
- Chris Heath
I use FF for aggregation, for discovery of interesting stories, and for following discussions. I never received much interaction with my own posts here. It's a mystery to me why people complain about FF complexity when Facebook is way more complex and less intuitive. Twitter is too simple, and therefore requires ridiculous hacks like RTs and @s. Unpopular Jaiku is better than Twitter....
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- howard shippin
@Chris Heath, it was just a fancy way of saying I've subscribed to your feed.
- Fake Name
btw oward, why is Jaiku better than Twitter? You didn't exactly clarify. Personally though...yeah, end of the day I either want a better RSS or a better RSS segmenter than anything else. FriendFeed is nice but it's still more of a lifestream than a Yahoo Pipes' Dream.
- Fake Name
Fake Name, well that makes sense... i kind of thought you might have been putting me down in a sarcastic manner, but that makes sense too
- Chris Heath
Haven't found anything to replace it with just yet, so yeah, I'm still here.
- Steven Perez
To be honest, I have stopped listening to a lot of social media 'experts'. FriendFeed has always been about social interaction for me... After 1,000,345 stories on Twitter vs Facebook, it's getting old. Interaction may be down... but it may be the content, not the service.
- Johnny Worthington
Good thread, my comment on the post here: http://alexschleber.posterous.com/my-comm... If FF goes away entirely, it would be a huge loss of the (Twitter) archiving capabilities. I still don't get why FF didn't go the full-on Twitter client route, they could have pwned TweetDeck with better groups, MUCH better persistence, etc. They could have ridden the Twitter hype wave all the way. Of course to make that happen, they would have had to optimize the Twitter use cases.
- Alex Schleber
I like FF for everything it does that Twitter DOESN'T. I'm very glad they didn't just make it another lame Twitter client. How many of those do we really need?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
FB could easily inject thousands or millions of new users. The fact that they don't, and probably won't, sucks. I think ff was bought because it was seen as a threat, and now I fear it is being left to die. sigh.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I think the 50 mio is a transfer payment to FF guys... They dont need anything and I dont think that they seen ff as a thread.
- Atif UNALDI
pity, i was just starting to enjoy using friendfeed even though no body ever replied to any of my comments lol
- Loc
@bluecockatoo / Lindsay, I wasn't saying that FF should ONLY be another Twitter client, rather the best, on top of also being the best for other services and FF discussion (different use cases). BTW, you may have noticed that FF was always at least 50% Twitter content. Why deny/fight reality, especially if that reality could have greatly bolstered FF instead of seeing it flounder and then having to sell out to Zuckerberg for the coding talent (AKA liquidation).
- Alex Schleber
I've actually been spending more time here lately, still subscribing to interesting feeds - but also started looking for decent replacement. Expecting may be some time before I find one - no hurry ....
- Dan Freeman
Uh yeaah bitch, I just signed up today, bow down and worship.
- Gina
To the end
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Yeeee
- Joe Dawson
Garin, i suspect ff guys had facebook in mind when they were designing it...
- ffcode
"While comparing Posterous to Friendfeed is like comparing a bagel to a piece of fish, ..." lol. But.. can't argue with the OP; it's a shame..
- thinkQuick
I still open up FF and leave it running all day long.
- Chris Jackson
Yup, still using it. At the Mac FriendFeed still rules over Twitter. Slightly different story on the iPhone where Twitter is served by several superb third party clients, in particular Twittelator Pro, which drag me to the platform. On the Mac though it's a no contest. I'm staying in the hope that FriendFeed will see further updates. If this doesn't happen and if it rots on the vine then I'll consider other services. For now though FriendFeed seems the best there is out there.
- JSLeFanu
have we passed 100 comments yet so Scobelizer will take note
- Chris Heath
Chris: No, I mean, yes.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
No, nobody uses FriendFeed any more. I certainly don't.
- Mellissa
I still use FriendFeed, although I haven't been as active as I would have liked, as of late. :(
- Tyson Key
I didn't want to respond to this yesterday but I think it's really sad that blogs\news try to put things into the Deadpool before they actually happen. Throughout my career I've seen this, X is dead and in many cases they still exist. Why does media (including blogs) feel it is there role to speed up or create a death? My view is that if they are still talking about it, it's normally still doing OK.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I especially liked how she called us idiots as we had it wrong this whollllle damn time. Oh yes, because she's in the superior position to make such a crude judgment call. Dumb fug.
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, who's she? and where did she say this? now i'm interested...
- Chris Heath
Here we go, my Backtype's not importing so, Christina Warren wrote a thoroughly idiotic article for mashable: http://www.backtype.com/connect... & Louis G's take: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- sofarsoShawn
I do, but I wish there was a way of filtering what the Facebook app posts, e.g. no "@" replies...
- David "Lefty" Schlesinger
from Nambu
I use Friendfeed a lot more than Twitter because there is less noise and spam so it's fine if the numbers are low as long as they keep running it. I do spend most on my time on facebook because that's where my close friends and family are. It would be easier to be here if there was interaction on any of my posts.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
@fake name (Twitter vs. Jaiku) ...It's not like I actually use Jaiku, but I see that it has threaded conversations. That's an improvement right there.
- howard shippin
I find myself using friendfeed even more after the acquisition. I usually start conversations here and auto-post to twitter. I just seem to get more interaction here than twitter. I get a few @replies here and there on twitter but its usually my close friends.
- Bryan Lee
Still here...
- Carlos Sousa
so am i... maybe it's december, not friendfeed? students are back to their studies, business people realize that the quarter ends in september and so on... i've cut my browsing to minimum - no twitter, no facebook, only friendfeed
- Kirill Bolgarov
Off topic: Do your Twitter updates come as fast as usual or are they late? Because mine are unusually late. Google Reader shares too.
- rukku
Yahoo Questions: HOW DO I TURN OFF CAPS LOCK? (LOL) - http://mona.posterous.com/yahoo-q...
Jason A. Samfield, Diego Barros , Dennis R. and 41 other people liked this
Posted via web from Mona's Posterous via @Rahsheen
- Mona Nomura
from Posterous
YOU MEAN YOU CAN TURN IT OFF?
- Jesse Stay
ANYBODY NO HOW TO TURN IT OFF???
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I HEAR IT'S UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A B A ENTER
- Jesse Stay
I WAS DOING A B A B START - NO WONDER. THANK YOU JESSE STAY.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
ODD - DID FRIENDFEED REMOVE THEIR KONAMI EASTER EGG?
- Jesse Stay
DONT FORGET TAB-ENTER
- \(*_*)/
WHAT IS THIS TAB YOU SPEAK OF????
- Mona Nomura
from IM
UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A TAB ENTER
- \(*_*)/
ONUR OH THAT'S WHY MY CAPS WOULDN'T TURN OFF
- Jesse Stay
Any key? Which one's the any key? This is exhausting; I'll order a tab.
- Raphael, Raphael
OH NOES ONE MORE KEY I HAVE TO FIND. AY KIN NOT FIND IT.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
NOWS MY SCREEN IS FLASHING DIFFERENT COLORS HOW DO I STOP IT
- Jesse Stay
LOL
- \(*_*)/
JESSE, SAME WAY YOU TURN CAPS LOCK OFF
- \(*_*)/
JUST PUNCH YOUR MONITOR JESSE STAY.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
WHATS A MONITOR
- Jesse Stay
several years ago i found out that holding down shift helps. i've been doing that ever since!
- Jemm
jemm you fixed it thank you how dos i make the colors stop
- Jesse Stay
The Future of the Social Web: In Five Eras - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Rajif Krobat, Baytech, Björn Klose and 113 other people liked this
Interesting stuff...thanks for sharing
- Hugo Guzman
Great info! I agree fish where the fish are :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
Interesting categorization of the development into eras. Any consideration to the impact of scale on the 5th era? Just as a recent example with Facebook, their format evolution was not well received by what is not an insignificant number of members, and yet the reality is - that change - negative impact not withstanding is not rolling back.
- Patrick Boegel
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I completely understand that Jeremiah, just wondering if the nature of scale impacted or perhaps better said impacts the thought process for very complex long term brand relationships, ie Health Insurance, Financial Services, a college/university choice, where consversation and user invovlement can be complicated. Very interested in the full report either way. Thx.
- Patrick Boegel
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
Just found this... great stuff!
- Gerd Leonhard
Facebook Begins Testing Facebook Lite, A Faster Simpler Version Of The Service - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Tyson Key, Nia, Michele Lorito-Chase and 72 other people liked this
I hope my account gets this soon :)
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
heh, so did you know about this paul? :)
- MG Siegler
I was wondering if you or the FF team had anything to do with this!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Hmm.
- Micah Wittman
Someone mentioned it earlier today. It sounds very promising.
- Paul Buchheit
Umm... Facebook Lite == Friendfeed
- Bindu Reddy
It looks like a FriendFeed-version-of-Facebook to me :-)
- Florin Grozea
is it against twitter? :))
- K.D.
thx paul :)
- MG Siegler
i agree with bindu. i'd like to have a light FB with a smooth & powerfull FF in it :-) and of course, the iPod/iPhone app to it
- Laurent65
if only google and fb got a long
- :}(o|O){:
If this is what I think it is...well done, sir. Rabbit out of a hat.
- Raphael, Raphael
That's good.
- Madhav Tripathi
Of course FB was working on this prior to The Transaction. Reasonable to believe that this increased MZ's powers of persuasion. If FB lite is *just* a stripped-down UI without any differences in networking structure (e.g., still no FoaF), then, meh.
- Christopher A Carr
twitter copy! :) I want to be a beta tester
- Susan Beebe
Hmmm, must enroll in Cryptology next semester.
- Eric Logan
Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
pastas9, Shey, Jamaican of FF, 1x29 and 482 other people liked this
That's great to read!
- Diego Barros
Thank you, Paul.
- joey
:)
- Tad
I hope so.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Good of you to recognize.
- Bill Kinney
Thank you, Paul. Hearing something is always better than hearing nothing =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think this was a smart move fore FF and FB
- Joe Hall
What about the service?
- Amit Morson
Ok
- Matthew DeVries
That's a start. Thanks for reaching out.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Thanks Paul.
- sean percival
Thanks Paul
- Mike Doeff
We don't want it to go either.
- Yolanda
I would not expect any less from such a cool guy like you, thanks! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Please keep it going for as long as you can or until you can make Facebook actually work.
- AJ Kohn
That's heartening, Paul. Thanks.
- Admiral Anika
Thanks Paul!
- Darren Heydon
We love you guys and FriendFeed.. we are just a little hurt and worried.. just please give us details as soon as possible.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- Tad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
Thanks Paul.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thank you kind sir.
- Andrew Smith
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Alex Scoble
Thanks for keeping the passion!
- Shane
Nice to hear Paul. Thanks.
- Mark Krynsky
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Best news I have heard today.
- Angus Burton
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Amelioration??
- heretic_twit
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
That means an awful lot to me.
- James (!?)
This has been quite a day! Can't wait to hear what is next!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Thank you, Paul. Thank you for coming out from behind the curtain and finally giving us some communication, some semblance of hope.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks, Paul.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
So we can expect a Facebook adaption of this? I like this technology over everyone else!
- Shaggy Jenkins
Eric, my schedule is still a little uncertain at the moment, but I'd be glad to appear on a future FFundercats.
- Paul Buchheit
That would be a good thing Paul. Thanks.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Cool :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva Moskovitz
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks!
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hoping so... practicing patience
- Majento
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from f2p
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
Very bittersweet clicking [Like] on this one.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
A big congrats for you guys.. However, I feel kind of sorrow :)
- Ozkan Altuner
good to hear
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Thank you - but I would very much like our content to stay intact. :)
- Mona Nomura
Of course it is, Ryo.
- Christopher A Carr
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Thank you Paul! Congrats on the deal!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A.T.
Nice to hear. Too bad you don't call the shots anymore.
- jcunwired
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Jim in Real Time
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
Thanks for the personal note Paul.
- Mike Reynolds
Phewww..relief ;-)
- Ritu
This is nice to hear, and I really hope that FriendFeed will keep on living. I still have some pain in my stomach because of this :/
- Patrik Johansson
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
It doesn't sound like you understand what has people worried. I wrote this to help: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
And we'll appreciate this man! Try to do your best to help FF :(
- FFTornado
Maybe Bruce analysis is too imaginary, but the question is THE question nobody answered: why did you do it, Paul?
- Luca Sofri
I left a response on Bruce's entry (http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...). I'll write more about this on my blog when I get some free time.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks.
- Bonnie Foster
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- Petr Buben
I hope you're being open and honest with us. This time. :(
- Kamilah Gill
Good to know , we´ll see :)
- Yahya
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
As nice as it sounds I'm sorry to say that as a, now, Facebook's employee I'm afraid you'll have to comply to whatever your new boss tells you. Didn't MZ make it clear?
- lelapin
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- Petr Buben
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Molly, New Ears :P
Molly: What makes you think there's going to be a "vise versa?"
- Christopher A Carr
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
The time to think about how you could do your 'personal best' to ensure FriendFeed continues to exist was prior to the discussions with Facebook. Not after.
- Andy C
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
Yeahhhhhhh BOoooiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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- Petr Buben
FriendFeed accepts Facebook friend request - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Boom.
- Louis Gray
Grr!
- directeur
Woah...
- Brandon Titus
Uh. Well, that's the end of that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
What does this mean for FriendFeed, Bret?
- Kol Tregaskes
Lame.
- Mark Trapp
great title bret. well played.
- MG Siegler
WOW
- Bindu Reddy
Congrat! So, what does this mean to your team and to FF in general?
- Dilip Dand
wahhhhhhhhhh
- Myrna
maaaan
- Jamie
wowow
- Harry Wolff
congrats
- brainno722 (Peter)
Nooooooooooooo
- Mushin
Wait... seriously?
- Ken Sheppardson
oh, noooo
- Tanju Yildiz
Congratulations to the friendfeed team. I know this is huge for y'all. Please don't let us spoil your parade as we weep.
- Ladybug Heather
Seriously?!? .....
- sebastian☆rocket brother
oh boy.
- Carlos Ayala
I am hoping this will lead to nice integration for cross posting! Currently using Twitter App on FB to post and I hate those ff.im links that end up on Facebook.
- Ivan Zlatev
it was good while it lasted, Friendfeed. :(
- holly
division by zero
- Onur Cengiz
OMG
- \(*_*)/
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user.
- Scott of Two Countries
gratz
- Ali
My heart is sinking as I type this. Please tell me that it isn't a late April Fool's joke. :(
- Tyson Key
Wow, it's true!!
- Kevin Whalen
Big news! I second Kol & dilip's request for what this means for the team and FF's future.
- Brandon Titus
O_o
- Joe Silence is silent
So it IS true.
- Hector
Nicely done Bret
- Jennifer Van Grove
Congratulations btw, guys!
- Kol Tregaskes
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy.
- Michael Leggett
Congrats, Bret.
- Jordan Hofker
This is just horrible
- Matthew DeVries
Congratulations, I suppose. A bit worried Facebook is going to ruin everything though. I'm not fond of Facebook, to say the least.
- Irma Vermaat
Um.
- Barry Mitchelson
Oh my... Hopefully FriendFeed won't vanish and good luck :)
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Do we call it FaceFeed? FriendBook?
- Tyson Key
Oh no....
- Ben Hanten
Terrible fit.
- Matthew DeVries
damn here it is... :(
- Edgar Rodríguez
FriendFace!!! (i love it crowd)
- Bahriye
*waits for wall-to-wall ads and constant spambots*
- Joe Silence is silent
Die.
- Zio Bonino
Congrats
- Zoltan Szendro
I dont want FF to end
- Fee501st
Wow
- Shevonne
Oh mon dio !
- Umar
What did you do? WHYYY!
- Zachary TG
Ostregheta.
- Reloj
Congrats guys, in a bittersweet sort of way.
- Hutch Carpenter
guess there's no way of denying this anymore :(
- BCK
Just another lesson in why you shouldn't put your love and trust in a company......
- Matthew DeVries
Oh no!
- Erdinc YILMAZEL
Congrats, but I hate Facebook.
- Zachary TG
I like Friendfeed and I do not like Facebook. Gratz to you guys though, I think.
- Mark Sorrell
"Oh shit..." came to mind immediately. :(
- Tyson Key
Scott, yep not encouraged by that comment. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats on the deal, best wishes to the FF'ers in helping facebook get it together!
- Sean O'Connor
This could get exciting, especially concerning twitter :-P
- Malte Steckmeister
Congrats for Friendfeed team, but I'm seriously worried for us :(((((((((((
- Roberto
Congratulations... I'm sure this is pretty exciting for everyone at FriendFeed... We're all looking forward to where it takes you!
- Nathan Chase
And FriendFeed was just getting popular. Not any more.
- Zachary TG
Wow
- Rodfather
*Sobs*
- Tyson Key
wow
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
to the dump
- Zachary TG
Wow, very disappointed
- Randy Pollock
come on. Bret, facebook is so closed. so different from Friendfeed. besides that. Congrats to the team
- Edgar Rodríguez
As am I
- Zachary TG
machecazzo
- Sba
VERY disappointed.
- Joe Silence is silent
horrible decision
- Randy Pollock
Booo. But, you know, congrats.
- Chris Nixon
i'm not sure i'm happy about this.
- Taylan Aydınlı
OMG WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SH*T
- Alp
Congrats for u guys... probably too bad for us ;-(
- Laurent
God, I can see FB shutting down FF just like Six Apart shut down Pownce.
- DarknessFalls
arg.
- Aron Michalski
Good for you, don't know for all of us
- Cristian Conti
@#$& that's all I have to say. For now.
- Zachary TG
Facebook should have been aquired by Friendfeed. Why they hell would you give up your better product to a worse one? Did none of you give a shit about this service to begin wiht?
- Matthew DeVries
Congrats!
- Alix Whitmire
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes!
- Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened?
- Tyson Key
I'm pissed off. I wan to throw away the whole Internet :
- DarkBls
Congrats!
- Moushumi Kabir
Congrats guys. :)
- Meryn Stol
Congratulations. This is awesome for you and for Facebook.
- Mike Sego
mommy?
- Josh Haley
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make.
- Hector
FFail
- rael
What will happen to my 92 subscribers?
- Zachary TG
yes you have just failed at failing, no it is not a double negative.
- Bahriye
Tragic.
- Shannon
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward.
- Harry Wolff
here come the comments
- Zachary TG
Congrats? Everybody who's saying Congrats doesn't know what he's saying. Go to hell.
- Zio Bonino
Yeah, quizzes are EVIL!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Wow.
- Zachary TG
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>(
- Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again.
- Joe Silence is silent
Congratulations. Enjoy the new challenges of acquisition, and I'm looking forward to the result!
- Wade Dorrell
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars
- Berge Gazen
Feedface or Facefeed?
- Fee501st
FUCK THAT ! [Anyways good job guys ^^]
- TiTi
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats!
- Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead...
- Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool.
- jkkmobile
Facefucked or Fuckfeed?
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail.
- dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :(
- Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook?
- Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger.
- Joe Silence is silent
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck.
- Joey Gibson
There is zero way this could have been a win for anyone, but the now rich founders.
- Matthew DeVries
duh
- aybars badur
I HATE facebook
- Pedram
this is simply awful.
- Joe Silence is silent
If I have to go to FB to use FF then it's a lost cause
- Randy Pollock
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/
- Tyson Key
Awesome. Please fix Facebook email :) http://fudge.org/too-muc...
- Jay Cuthrell
Facebook is going to acquire the web!
- l'Ego di Gigi
To me, FriendFeed is like Porsche and Facebook a Kia. I'm curious to see which will become which..
- Moushumi Kabir
Oh noes!
- Burcu Dogan
Congrats Bret!
- Robin Dindayal
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks.
- Steve C
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though.
- Jay Farmington
Where's the "dislike" option?
- Gregor Morrill
+1 Gregor
- Tyson Key
accipicchia che pessima notizia
- massimo mantellini
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!!! -_-
- Bahriye
I just realized this is like when K-mart bought Sears ...
- DarknessFalls
/ponders the meaning of "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being."
- Philipp Lenssen
And I will officially be leaving FriendFeed today.
- Michael Forian
omg
- John μller
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision.
- Joe Silence is silent
Such great news!
- Steve Rubel
Not sure what to think of this.
- Matthew Speicher
where is dislike button ?
- Osman Üngür
OMG!
- Zac Bowling
now where did I put my twitter password
- Randy Pollock
big mistake :((
- emresezgin
I suppose it will be called FriendFace? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Phil Harrison
Congratulations, guys!!!!!!!!!
- Jess Lee
Oh. Hell. No.
- CannonGod
Oh My God! They Killed FriendFeed!
- Tyson Key
so the (once)new facebook homepage was actually the tip of the iceberg?
- Onur Cengiz
It's a win/win! congrats all.
- Alan Le
Time to roll your own Frienfeed clone.
- Fırat Can Başarır
Congrats to you.
- Evan Travers
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing what this new partnership means for users.
- Aren Grimshaw
FF will surely be integrated into FB at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
damn Ken is spot on! +1000 Ken!
- vijay
not good.
- Jacque
Oh. My. Gosh.
- Enrico Lamperti
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though.
- Voyagerfan5761
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;)
- Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?"
- Brian Bommarito
sad...
- Marvin
Congrats guys. And thanks for your continuos effort in helping promote and integrate web services, like mine, Wakoopa. That's awesome and I hope FB gets better because of it.
- Robert Gaal
This will give FriedFeed the attention it deserves. Otherwise it would have been a geek thing forever.
- Michael Netsch
Will there be a super poke feature launched tomorrow?
- Matthew DeVries
aw, this sux!! Congrats to the Friendfeed team though!
- acedanger
please don't merge logins!!! please
- earlyadopter
They are deceived when they suffer themselves to be drawn after the image of things, without seeking for the true reason of them.
- The Complex Days
I hope it works OK to you guys!
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
+1 Netsch - I still like FF more but this finally legitimizes FF to the mainstream.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Friend request una beata fava. Pecunia non olet.
- Federico Bolsoman
Yeah, I really can't wait to see what value the Ashton Kutchers and Oprahs of the world have to add to FriendFeed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Please tell me this is a delayed April Fools' Day joke.
- Rochelle
Facebook & FriendFeed: don't cross the lifestreams! D:<
- CannonGod
I guess this means I'll have toget a facebook account after all.... Hope the API stays up and running....
- Roberto Bonini
"Were rich B!tch!" - Chappelle
- adolfo foronda
Another good thing: This ups the bar for Wave.
- Wade Dorrell
What a bunch of greedy assholes.
- Zio Bonino
So ?
- Ercan Bülbül
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin?
- Tyson Key
:(
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Some people will do whatever their friends request........
- Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about?
- Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form.
- Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
The End.
- Kaan Ertürk
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me.
- Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us
- Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting.
- Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed...
- Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you.
- Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see...
- Daniel Morgan
Game over.
- stark
yeah removing feed also works.
- Bahriye
Reminds me so much of Last.fm fall...
- Marcos
Given that the FriendFeed team has never been anything but awesome & respectful of its community, I think it's unfair for people to assume that the Facebook acquisition is going to change that.
- Jess Lee
Why in god's name are we flying over this shark?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
- Matthew DeVries
Facebook is like a giant who listens to nobody. Please keep your attitude but I don't think you will be able to do so.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Noooooooo......
- Sung W. Lim
yeahhh
- Çağrı Burak
NO
- Cristian Conti
Congrats! That sucks.
- Rutger Blom
Where is that evidence Jess?
- Matthew DeVries
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it?
- Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether?
- Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step!
- Robin Barooah
Robin, the Facebook users don't want that I'm afraid.
- Rutger Blom
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. -
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users.
- Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends...
- CannonGod
kafa sayımı yapıp köyü satan ağalar geldi aklıma
- Alper Ömer Esin
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook.
- Zio Bonino
Near term future?
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook?
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck.
- Jim in Real Time
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything.
- Zio Bonino
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future.
- Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too.
- Vishal Verma
Let's hope this is like Disney's acquisition of Pixar - wherein the Pixar guys ended up in control of the animation studio...
- Robin Barooah
from IM
Where the f*ck is this option to undo ?
- Laurent
Odd that this thread gets modded?
- Matthew DeVries
I seriously thought this was a joke. Looks like its not. I don't like it, sorry.
- Michael Lynton
Does anyone want to start a bounty to purchase Facebook? ;)
- Tyson Key
Congratulations!
- John Craft
can't be, shouldn't be...
- Kemal
It is! Change is inevitable, my friends.
- Bill Sodeman
Jim, I'm less cynical than you - the FriendFeed founders wouldn't do this just in order to become 'talent' at FaceBook.
- Robin Barooah
So will we be playing FriendFeed Mafia Wars at some point in the future? Ugh.
- Alex Hellstrom
I feel if I should be wearing a black arm band. But I guess when I think about it..............
- Kevin J Hatton
Oh No! I don't like this at all :(
- Peter
WTF! Horrible Bret, this the death of FriendFeed.. you know that right?
- CW™
I still think Apple will acquire Facebook, Twitter Friendfeed and Google Twitter.
- Thomas Power
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
- Stephen Francoeur
My condolences to all Friendfeeders! RIP!
- Evgeni Leshtanski
AAAAwwwful!
- carolh
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what?
- paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook.
- Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed!
- Alex Lomas
The FF founders must have know this would be a very unpopular move. Most users I know here are not too fond of FB.
- Rutger Blom
damn, damn, damn...
- Kemal
One of the sadest news for Internet and web creativity :(
- DarkBls
Woah woah... This is real?
- Jason Huebel
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" There's a bit of a contradiction in your statement, Bret. Nice try though.
- jcunwired
Now I can break my Internet plan at home.
- DarkBls
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
wow!! dazed and confused!!
- Roberto Arancibia
I don't hate Facebook, but for sharing things Friendfeed is MUCH MUCH better!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I wonder if that Ben Darnell guy who *just* left the Google reader team knew about this beforehand? Wonder what he's thinking now? (http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Just great. I'm certainly not very happy about this. Let's just hope FB doesn't ruin FF. Ugh.
- Elena
Who cares? Nothing's gonna change in our pitiful lifes.
- bluretina
:|
- Amin BZ
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there.
- Michael Netsch
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- лето ближе с каждым днем
Congrats Bret! this is so great! many congrats!!!
- Jason Pollock
That is capitalism for you. Luckely, there still good 'ol usenet.
- Peter
Is it April 1st somewhere in the universe?
- Robert Felty
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now.
- ayca
It's all about the money. I would have payed a couple of dollars each month to use FF.
- Rutger Blom
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys.
- Chieze Okoye
OMG!
- keso
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done.
- Kevin J Hatton
I'm just surprised, that's all. I'm not saying this is a bad thing (it certainly isn't for the owners of FF). I'm willing to sit back and see what happens.
- Jason Huebel
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users.
- Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties?
- Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team
- Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea.............
- Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on...
- Tate DA FF MVP
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would.
- Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook?
- Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook.
- Andy Bakun
My biggest concern here is that FB has a completely different audience than FF.
- Rutger Blom
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn.
- Jeremy Buff
Fail.
- Big K
Big Fail!
- OnuRC
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone.
- tollie williams
wtf ?!
- Umut
I need to install "super PUKE" application !
- Bart LePoole
FFail.
- rowlikeagirl
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it.
- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
JEREMY+++++1
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Wow!
- felix
Well, I guess it is time to dismantle my friendfeed. We all know where this is headed. So, so glad I didn't move all my rss feeds from greader to friendfeed like so many cheerleaders suggested.
- Matthew Speicher
Jeremy +1
- F. Batuhan Icoz
so what's next? where should we go?
- Flavio
It's been fun here.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake.
- Don Faulkner
My big question to everybody here is this: What are the potential downsides / upsides to this acquisition? I mean on paper I just don't see what the pros OR cons are. I don't care for Facebook but I don't see how them acquiring FF is going to change everything.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends!
- Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good.
- ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr...
- Kemal
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline.
- Ken Sheppardson
Don, I don't think FB wants to maintain two platforms.
- Rutger Blom
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff?
- Flavio
Congratulations!
- Sam Grover
Flavio, that's not very realistic I'm afraid, but I like the idea.
- Rutger Blom
rutgerblom, I don't expect they do either, thus my angst over this.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
if there's a team willing to do it and money, and if we accept some ads as everywhere else, we could make a new FF without FB
- Flavio
Tony, most likely
- Rutger Blom
read carefully: http://blog.socialthing.com/2009...
- Kemal
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years.
- Andy Bakun
God help us
- Johnny
Once again. I'm happy for the FF team. They worked hard and now collect. That's fair. Wonder if they're sitting in a bubble pool drinking champagne while we cry out here ;-)
- Rutger Blom
Congrat Bret!! :))
- Cihan Cepni
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
This almost confirms FF will disappear: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Kol Tregaskes
Great point, Don.
- Rutger Blom
+1 Don
- Johnny
Does this mean I can throw someone a sheep on FriendFeed now?
- Pinksy
I sure hope so, Rutger. I glad for their success too. I just hope there's a next best thing out there for us.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Congrats all. Nice work, in spite of any naysaying out there. Keep up the innovation.
- Tomas Remotigue
LOLI FFAIL
- rael
lame.
- andy brudtkuhl
This should be good news for Twitter.
- Rutger Blom
post the picture to failblog...
- Kemal
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is...
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- Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you!
- Michael Fidler
Really saddened by this news.
- Doug Beeferman
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
- LouCypher
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining.
- ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long...
- Thomas Bøhm
ChaCha, if everybody would do that there would not be much discussion would there? This is part of the fun.
- Rutger Blom
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this?
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Drat!
- Gee Ekachai
congrats guys!
- Elad
Don, I doubt there is any discussion going on there. They're too busy throwing quizes at each other.
- Rutger Blom
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end.
- Brian Chang
At least my Feedburner stats might go back to normal again.
- Rutger Blom
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;)
- Tyson Key
Don, LOL :-)
- Rutger Blom
If anybody has doubts as to what happens to the FriendFeed community or our stored information here, read this statement from Bret (in this thread) "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users". Now maybe you can see "whats so bad about it" and curb your optimism. Not good.
- jcunwired
Congrats FF. Fix their live feed situation please.
- Edward Barnieh
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on?
- Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year?
- Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around.
- Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!!
- Danli
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive.
- Sean Leather
Congrats. I suppose this means the end of FriendFeed but hopefully a better Facebook.
- Harry Toon
Hmm. Interesting.
- Ralf Becker
Add me to the fearful group.
- beersage
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though.
- Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq
- Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :)
- Owen Greaves
Congrat Bret
- Nimaa
Panic attack. Congratulations, however! :)
- בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :).
- Karthick R
:(
- goodmachine
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =)
- Anton
СУКИ-СУКИ-СУКИ!!!!
- Viktor
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate.
- Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time.
- Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that.
- Cassidy
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder.
- David Gaw
aieeeeeeeeeee
- Richard Akerman
FAIL. Facebook is the new myspace, and now friendfeed will become a part of that BS. Can't say I'm too surprised because eventually we all sell out. BTW I don't see friendfeed lasting more than the rest of this year, if that. The good news is that we can all be subjected to add 'Are you related to a monkey?' and Blackjack apps while having annoying personal ads on our profile pages. Fuck this shit.
- Tomy Thomson
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
:(
- Eph Zero
Well done Bret!
- Alemsah Ozturk
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪
- All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye.
- Micah Collard
It was fun while it lasted.
- Mr. Gunn
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This place will be just like twitter...
- The Count Rob
Congrats to the FF team - you've built a wonderful product!
- Michael Nielsen
Whattttttttttttttttttttt???
- Nibi
The social community that has been behind FriendFeed creators have built a wonderful product. Only problem is, we don't have Zuck's checkbook :(
- jcunwired
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool.
- Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
I don't like this....
- Zeki Pehlivan
"Like" to follow this thread. Not because I like what happened. I'm horrified. FF could disappear now.
- Kamilah Gill
Same here, Kamilah.
- Tyson Key
If FriendFeed had invented the "don't like" button, today would have been the day to press it.
- Vishal Verma
and I just bought BuddyFeed for my iPhone this weekend. :(
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Oh, joy, Facebook's privacy policy is upon us!
- Joris
WTF?? NOOOOO!!! Why do such good things have to be ruined by greed? Screw Facebook, and goodbye Friendfeed.
- Jason R. Hunter
congratulations!
- Loic Le Meur
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed!
- Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only.
- Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible.
- Mike Reynolds
Congrats guys (and gals) !
- Benjy Weinberger
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click
- Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues...
- Pon
And the metastasizing, walled-garden that is Facebook, continues to eat the Web. Bring on Google Wave.
- Christopher A Carr
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location
- Majento
There goes FriendFeed down the toilet. well I WAS having a good day. until hearing this crap!
- Scratch5150
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site.
- Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that!
- orionstarr
Somebody has to got pay for it.
- orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook.
- Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol...
- orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for.
- Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0
- ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*.
- Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :)
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here.
- Ken Morley
So what now? a name change too? FriendFace? FeedBook? FaceFeed? god Facebook really sucks. oh well. Adds anyone?
- Scratch5150
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat.
- Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it
- Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter.
- Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does
- Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see.
- Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :)
- Susan Beebe
Friendfeed after Facebook http://ff.im/6q5EY
- Ozgur Uckan
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!..
- Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best.
- Ebru Baranseli
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;).
- Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned?
- Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years.
- Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all.
- timepilot
Dang! I've killed another site! Sorry guys... FF was doing fine until I started coming here again! Same with Pownce! Went there and liked it... went underground for a spell... came back and still liked it, so I stayed. A few months later... BOOM! I have the touch! (I'm thinking I'll start devoting a lot of time to Twitter... maybe I can kill that one, too!)
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
Все, блядь, пиздец!
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
WOW - very happy for all of you :-)
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors!
- Mike Lewis
Oh yeah? Ok: take tour money and go to the hell. :-(((
- Claude LaFrenière
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day.
- Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Sucks big time.
- Drea
Sadness
- Yasin Jason
I can't believe this happened
- Johnny
Suggested name: FailFriend. :-(((
- Claude LaFrenière
Friend facebooks feed (FFF)
- Filiz Koyuncu
«Experience shows that those who never trust anyone will never be disappointed.» Leonardo da Vinci
- Claude LaFrenière
So what exactly is going to happen? Is FF eventually going to disappear? Will it merge into the Facebook interface? Please don't do that
- Ethan
Gimme my OPML export
- Sriks7
Money is the root of all evil
- Shakeel Mahate
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Well I've thought about it, and I'll stick around until I start seeing that crappy Facebook logo, I only have 71 subscribers here, I hate to do it but I'll probably scrap the whole thing and start over somewhere else. still can't believe that shit.
- Scratch5150
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though.
- Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn.
- Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad.
- Sally Church
This is tragic. Tragic. Tragic.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented
- Mike Chelen
from IM
I can't believe it either. I feel as if — for the moment — I am lost in the wilderness, adrift.
- roamin
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF.
- Vinko
congrats, I'm happy for friendfeed...
- amelia arapoff
Congrats you guys, well deserved.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congrats Bret! Hope the transition goes smoothly for you guys.
- Cristo
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink*
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place.....
- Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies.
- Logan Lindquist
boo.
- kelly
The Borg has struck. Alas. Prepare to be assimilated. (Will FB add my FF subscriptions to my FB friends list?)
- Dennis Jernberg
Boo
- Amit Morson
Logan: What do you mean by "both" companies?
- Christopher A Carr
Now that you guys have $$$ you should swap out the not so very pleasing default avatar!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Hope you guys enjoy your new jobs. Meanwhile we get to watch a great alternative to Facebook with a promising future go down the tubes. A really sad and unfortunate day.
- Todd Holmes
BOO! Hiss! Mondays really do suck.
- Dale
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Congrats and good luck..
- Can Koklu
Thanks for all the fish. Saving the so long... for now.
- abacab
Goodbye FF, it was wonderful..
- Francesco Cugurra
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations!
- krzychukula
from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer.
- kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!!
- Seo (ignobile) Guru
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF
- Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor...
- Alexander Kruel
обычные дела. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Congratulations Friendfeed :D
- paniaguai
Ok. I'll quit friendfeed, so. Goodbye. Ciao
- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now!
- Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work!
- Alexander Gieg
Oh shit. Love FF, hate FB. I'll NEVER, EVER merge my two accounts. I'd rather unsub from both than merging. I'll wait for the developments, and in the meantime look for an alternative.
- Alliandre (la Ippe)
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder...
- Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012.
- Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week..
- Martynas
congrats!
- Ronald
thts good!so i can workin both in my Fb online next
- Arini dewi muchtaram
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again.
- Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P
- Don Faulkner
Must See - Hitler blows up over Facebook / FriendFeed - http://friendfeed.com/dffrnt...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Dave, I'm not happy. That video gave me some much needed comic relief .. after waking up to this news.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
good for you, bad for us
- Zachary Earl Strader
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together.
- Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation?
- orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love.
- Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
sad, sad, sad.
- scott willeke
Congratulations! That's huge. I hope all is well.
- Juan Bruce
bad bad bad
- kakilang
bye bye friendfeed!
- Jonathan Crossland
Why-eee!!! ??? What next?
- Wayne Lewis
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about.
- Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious.
- Andrew Eglinton
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I mean Cool.
- sofarsoShawn
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil.
- whatidiscover
16,195 comments, 2,143 likes, and an untold amount of posts, are now in jeopardy. And I'm overreacting? Puhlease.
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This is cause for concern and not a kneejerk
- Bwana ☠
If you disagree, you don't value your data as much as I do
- Bwana ☠
I don't want to hand that over to Facebook.
- Bwana ☠
I would hope that the guys at FF allow us a way to export the conversations.
- EricaJoy
Agree, I don't want to move over to FB. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
+100 Bwana
- vijay
I'm pretty sure it's all there and accessible via the API. Maybe it's time to get cracking on some robust export tools...
- Ken Sheppardson
That's what I posted on my blog. I'm very concerned about my content. That's my #1 focus right now. All the stuff I've shared from FF to my blog, the comments...where does that go?
- Admiral Anika
You export them, and then what? What do you do with them? I still have my exported Pownce posts somewhere in my hard drive, collecting dust as a massive XML file.
- Guillermo Esteves
I search them of course. I repost them. I use them.
- Bwana ☠
If someone tries to misquote me in the future, I'll have the real data
- Bwana ☠
I would think FF -> Posterous, Tumblr, Wordpress, static HTML would all be reasonable options.
- Ken Sheppardson
And yeah, I know, Facebook could buy Posterous tomorrow and this would start again. That's a bridge for another day.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Ken for ruining my brain
- Bwana ☠
I never thought FB could buy Posterous until you just said it :(
- Bwana ☠
If we had wanted to post stuff on FB, they would have been posted over there surely? I use FB for connecting with far away family and friends; they don't want to see my science and cancer links, it's way over their head. Posterous is nice but it's like commenting on lots of disjointed blogs; there's no easy way to see conversations other than in isolation.
- Sally Church
the prob with facebook is it has too many features, worthless features. friend feed is very tuned.
- Marco
The possible feature changes, integrations and whatnot, I can get over. What I can't and won't get over is my data belonging to Facebook. That's where I draw the line.
- Bwana ☠
+100 Bwana! Why are people not thinking about their data!? Features? UI? SECONDARY! data is PRIMARY!
- vijay
Exactly. I have so much stored here, liked here, and commented on here that it would be impossible to back it all up for reuse. I, you, we helped build FF to be what it is - with our collective content. So sad.
- jcunwired
On 2nd thought, maybe I should be more cautious abt making the jump from Twitter to FF as my primary Status Stream.
- Lawrence Liu
Bwana, rest assured, its not going away immediately. From Bret: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" https://friendfeed.com/friendf... I sure feel reassured, don't you? :P
- jcunwired
Hah! good find.
- Bwana ☠
I'll remember that
- Bwana ☠
lmorchard already created one in php IIRC -- http://github.com/lmorcha...
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Thanks bear, I'll be shopping for more later
- Bwana ☠
I may be a no body in St Augustine, FL, but my content is my content. I hate investing time in something just to loose it. That's how this feels.
- tomit
Too early to say, but looks like very good news for Twitter long term.
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What, the FB acquisition? I disagree - if FB integrates real-time publishing of pics and other FB content to FF feeds AND supports importing all the services FF supports into FB, Twitter will die or get pushed to the sidelines. Remember, Twitter currently isn't that big in the youth demographic, which FB owns. This means that when it comes to introducing that group to the Real-Time web, FB is kingmaker.
- LANjackal
Fed Up, A Popular Mac Developer Quits The iPhone - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Frank is well-known in some circles as a Mac enthusiast. You know, the kind of person that is often derided as a “fanboy.” And that’s why what I’m about to tell you is surprising: He’s ditching his iPhone.
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
Wow.
- Matt Cutts
Eh, he'll go back to the Mac as soon as they make something shiny new for him again.
- Piaw Na
I honestly don't get all the uproar over the Google Voice app rejection. Why would AT&T let you use your unlimited data plan for a competing phone service when they charge you by the minute for that same service? It's like getting upset that Burger King won't sell you a Big Mac.
- invariant - farewell FF
invariant: Google Voice uses regular telephony, not VoIP. Any calls you make with Google Voice would have to go through AT&T's voice network, and would use your minutes.
- Mark Trapp
@invariant, because people want a useful phone instead of a piece of junk? It sounds like you revel in tolerating junk, tho, so be my guest....
- j1m
++Mark, but what freaks me out here is that even though GV would drive more calls (and revenue) to AT&T, they can't get past "but it does what we do and we can't have that". That is just plain broken. My best guess (and that's all that most people are actually doing about this...) is that somebody at AT&T gazed into a crystal ball and said "You know, at some point they won't need us....
more...
- Andy Bold
Considering that you can run GV on other phones on AT&T's network, it's hard to fathom why AT&T would be the ones nixing the app.
- Gabe
He should go re-read The Fountainhead, and then Animal Farm. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Ideals are inevitably compromised. Those who do not compromise their ideals are replaced by those who do. And a corollary from the priest in Caddyshack: "There is no god!"
- Walter Korman
Pepsi vs Coke the Logos - http://alanajoy.tumblr.com/post...
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if it ain't broke...
- Greg Santos
LOL
- LANjackal
And yet Pepsi tastes better. What gives?
- Joel Robert Perez
Didn't mean to start a debate....(but pepsi rocks.)
- Joel Robert Perez
Who cares, I drink whichever one has the better promo going on. Last year that was Pepsi + Amazon
- LANjackal
Pepsi tastes like Heaven, Coke tastes like a slap in the mouth. Plus Coke is apparently old, crotchety and set in their ways. Pepsi evolves with the times.
- Joe Pierce
I like both myself, but Coke *does* have more of a... *zing*, shall we say. Then again, I *do* like the new Pepsi logo.
- Ron Bailey
Let's just pretend New Coke never happened...
- Rob Haas
Agreed. ^_^
- Ron Bailey
Coke is a bit more tart and lacks Pepsi's sickly sweet taste, so Coke FTW.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
RC Cola > Coke + Pepsi?
- Cassidy
There is something to be said for staying true to oneself, at least in a logo. Both drinks have changed drastically since their first inception. Pepsi reflects this change. Either way, I almost never have soda and stick to my Arizone Green Tea Packets where all I have to worry about is a tiny bit of Splenda vs heaping servings of HFCS
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I sensed a disturbance in this part of FF and I was right on. Anyway, to set things right... Coke > Pepsi. The End. Also see -->- http://bit.ly/OXpFC
- vijay
Pepsi is all about capturing the younger demo, which requires a rebrand every once and a while.
- Frankie Warren
You're right Frankie. I think the pic is just a little leg pullin' by a Coke lover =P
- vijay
Pepsi wins the taste test. Coke wins on the logo until the most recent 2008 Pepsi version.
- Dane
It's like wine, you have to choose the soda that best compliments what you are having. For bourbon, I prefer Pepsi, but with rum Coke is the proper choice.
- Reed Porter
Reed, exactly - Pepsi in rum is sacrilegious!
- Paul OFlaherty
coke FTW!
- (jeff)isageek
Actually- Diet Coke Rules!
- Victor Ryden
When someone gets a writing job at Mashable, RWW, GigaOm, do they get a salary? Benefits? Vacation? Or are they freelancers? Contractors?
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I have always wondered that.
- Tech Introvert
I was asking myself the question yesterday afternoon! Can anybody become a freelancer, working for these major "journals".
- Zackatoustra
the inverse may be interesting, do some pay to be in those journal, this is the question that I sometime ask.
- abdellah
I thought its a flat fee, plsu commision on page hits/ counts.. something like $50/- per post and .3 cents for 1K hits..
- Peter Dawson
many write for free. some get paid
- Jeremiah Owyang
I know some performance monies are generated on page views.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Branding your existing product as a Twitter app isn’t a recipe for success - http://www.inquisitr.com/29843...
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chat room gets the pleasure of blasting every thing they say to their followers too. #fail
- sean percival
Sean, that's the exact thing I said when trying it today after Ben Parr's post on it http://twitter.com/krynsky... People don't seem to understand the problem forcing apps to autotweet. If you go to the end of the video, he disagreed.
- Mark Krynsky
Yo @jeremarketer my position and discussion on @arrington and Twitter's docs are here:
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1. I have the benefit of being able to pander to the audience. I can say whatever I want without actually having to get my hands dirty.
- Robert Scoble
2. I think what Arrington did is journalistic. In journalism school I learned to bias ALWAYS to publishing information that comes across your desk.
- Robert Scoble
3. I told Dave Winer yesterday that I would be reticent to publish because I believe the information was stolen and I don't like to dirty my hands with stolen property.
- Robert Scoble
4. Emphasis on "I believe" because I don't really know the facts. See #1 again.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Dave Winer now live here (Bad Hair Day Podcast) talking about those Twitter docs http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bad-Hai...
- Mike Bracco
5. If Arrington had told me he received a bunch of stuff about Twitter and hadn't published I would have thought that Twitter had threatened him with being kicked off the Suggested User List and would have thought less of Arrington. So, he was in a tough position ethically and journalistically.
- Robert Scoble
Perhaps, but what are your thoughts on 'responsible disclosure'? IE working with Twitter to allow them to coordinate appropriately with their partners in exchange for tactful, timed, exclusive on the release of the documents via TechCrunch?
- Darren
Darren: my journalistic training tells me to avoid playing footsie like that with the subject of a story.
- Robert Scoble
Darren: imagine that, instead of Twitter, we were talking about a President and some information gained through a theft. Would you like it if the press got in bed with the President and started making "deals?" I wouldn't.
- Robert Scoble
The one thing I can't figure out - doesn't publishing this information put TechCrunch at bias when reporting future information about Twitter? It would seem they now know more about Twitter than ever, and anything they publish could be construed as publishing confidential information. Perhaps they had no choice but to publish it now that it was in their hands due to this reason.
- Jesse Stay
Darren: I prefer a press that's independent. But that's just me and this is the tech industry, not political.
- Robert Scoble
isnt anyone thinking if anyone else got robbed or got their computer invaded? and if all still are insecure?
- m00n The Myth
Jesse: yeah. There is that problem.
- Robert Scoble
Now for any Twitter story TechCrunch publishes I'll forever be wondering "hmmm...I wonder if they know more about this than they are reporting, or if this was really a tip".
- Jesse Stay
m00n: I'm sure that all passwords at Twitter were changed today. I know that I changed my passwords today too.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: yeah. And I already was wondering if TechCrunch would be treating Twitter properly because of the bribe they are receiving by being on the SUL. (And it is no less than a bribe).
- Robert Scoble
Robert yeah, there's that, too. The fact they're still on the SUL after this says something...
- Jesse Stay
But blogging and journalism has never been clean. At least now as a reader we know that there are things that aren't being said and so we can read between the lines in their reports.
- Robert Scoble
As i see it u aiming at the messenger not the problem
- m00n The Myth
Jesse: not to mention that I bet the full docs will still leak somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
As I said in the other post, Twitter is going public and TC is just helping them
- Johni Fisher
Jesse: I learned in my career that when one person has information, that means that a lot more than one has it, even if the others aren't visible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you can bet on that - TechCrunch needed the exclusive
- Jesse Stay
Perhaps, but as this relates to security, vulnerabilities are discovered each and every day, very often in high profile consumer systems. It's common practice in most circles to work with the vendor either directly, or by selling your information to a 3rd party service who will coordinate the release with the vendor, under the assumption of exclusivity on the release.
- Darren
Clearly this is a different industry, but the parallels are there. My point is, it can be and is done very often in an equally competitive industry.
- Darren
It's not politics right, it's not like Cheney and the CIA Leak where people could have lost their lives - an egregious act, but still completely unethical, what I find interesting is the public discourse, look at the conversation, and debate it started
- Benjamin Taylor
I still think Twitter gave TC permission - they'll never admit it publicly, they can't, but I don't think TC would have said that if they didn't have some sort of blessing.
- Jesse Stay
Benjamin: yes, and I've already talked with people who are running conferences and building Twitter apps and they say this information did help them on their plans. So, while lives aren't at stake, careers and business plans are.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: @ev has a tweet about that and says he didn't and Twitter didn't.
- Robert Scoble
But, who knows what went on behind the scenes.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I think he's obligated to say that, legally
- Jesse Stay
Robert He should send his lawyers and not post joks in Twitter
- Johni Fisher
EV on twitter "@TechCrunch @arrington "we have been given the green light by Twitter to post this information" What?! By whom? That's not our understanding"
- Benjamin Taylor
That's a non-denial denial.
- Nick in Manila
Benjamin legally he has to deny they gave approval publicly
- Jesse Stay
At this point in time, that's an amazing statement to make in public
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin TC says they're going to write more about the process of getting "approval" in a future post so we'll see. I think Ev has to ensure there is no doubt that they give no approval to re-publish that material. Otherwise others could as well in various forms. There has to be no doubt, even if permission was given in private.
- Jesse Stay
Ev's very public statement also ensures Twitter can still sue others that re-post the information.
- Jesse Stay
Marshall Kirkpatrick, Dave Winer, Chris Saad talking about this now - more about the content of the the documents less about the theft and ethics of the subsequent publication http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bad-Hai... (if you want background)
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin: I'm listening, interesting discussion. I think I heard Doc Searls there too, but might be wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, no disagreement, just my opinion, and at this point pure conjecture I could by 100% wrong
- Benjamin Taylor
http://blog.twitter.com/2009... is Twitter's response.
- Robert Scoble
Again, I think they have to make that response, even if permission was given to TC behind the scenes.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse I think you're right - it's going to fester unless someone comes out and explains what they mean by "permission".
- Jeremy
Robert: Agreed, Arrington had to be in a tough political situation to make that kind of choice. Ultimately, journalism's core is about disclosing pertinent information as it becomes available - I guess the question really remains to be seen exactly how the information got to them. But ultimately, I agree it's a journalist's job to report and not (generally) evaluate the pros and cons of a release, no?
- Jeremy
To be real, this is really only astonishing to the tech crowd. This shouldn't change anything for marketers or most users. The real problem twitter will face beyond the tech scene will be the hype in the press - which will be largely unfounded. Arrington was justified, now Twitter needs to man up and get a PR Firm, pronto.
- jon burg
Personally, I agree with what @arrington did to post the docs. He went about it in a way that wouldn't hurt anyone personally, and still got the information out there. If TechCrunch didn't publish the docs that they had received, to me they wouldn't be TechCrunch. I appreciate what they do for journalism, and if this the way that they thought to be right, then so be it. Even if it was stolen, TechCrunch didn't steal it themselves, they just used whatever landed in their inbox.
- Andrew Hays
Jesse, you're insinuating that Ev is lying. I don't think he is and you're just making conjecture.
- Louis Gray
@jon_bourg That's my thoughts after reading the documents. I think I found them interesting, but any friends I have that aren't tech-interested at all will not be effected in either way. Also, if anything I feel as though viewing the documents has given me even more of a newfound respect for Twitter. And I don't know anyone that has viewed these documents and has felt anger towards Twitter. It seems like an overall win situation for them, aside from the whole losing-the-info-to-hackers-bit.
- Andrew Hays
@Ian I think it's also important to realize that Twitter is not completely at fault here, either. Yes, they got hacked, and to an extent that's their fault (more the employee's fault, really) -- but in general, these things happen and probably would've happened anyways. If not to Twitter, then it would've been Facebook or something.
- Andrew Hays
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- Robert Scoble
ya thats how it found this earlier!
- iTbay
@Scoble Yeah, that's how I got here, actually. >.>
- Andrew Hays
With regard to rule #2, can you cite some sources? From everything I've seen and heard at work, I've not found this to be the case at all. (Though I'm not speaking on behalf of my employer or anyone else.)
- Ted Roden
Louis, either Ev is lying or TechCrunch is - can't be both.
- Jesse Stay
Ted: I went to San Jose State University in journalism school there. We had deep arguments about when to publish and when not to publish and the professional journalists (who worked at CNN and SJ Mercury News, among other places) said if you didn't publish you better have some darn good reasons. Knowing the source got the info by theft is a reason to definitely cause major debate in the newsroom. But there's lots of cases where journalists decided to publish that stuff anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up, but it still sounds a lot different than, "In journalism school I learned to bias ALWAYS to publishing information that comes across your desk"
- Ted Roden
Ted: bias is exactly what I meant and doesn't sound any different than my second statement.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure why anyone thinks Ev would lie about this. Why would Twitter ever give the okay to publish any of the supposedly stolen docs? It doesn't make sense.
- Bryce Montgomery
Jesse: yeah. Except I bet that both of them have a different way of seeing the conversation. I can see Ev saying something like "go ahead, you're going to anyway" which Ev sees as not condoning publishing.
- Robert Scoble
And Mike seeing as thinking that implies consent. Or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
Mike is VERY good at pulling information out of you that you don't want to give and/or getting you to switch your stance from "off the record" to "on the record." Sometimes he's so good at doing that you don't even realize he did it.
- Robert Scoble
Well, Arrington had a right to take that as permission, but EV doesn't want stuff like this published, so he'd probably not want to give any kind of permission. Mike had to take whatever he could get I bet.
- Andrew Hays
I think they're both right, which is what I was inferring.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I have watched Mike work a story over for hours while hanging out in his hotel room. I always am happy I'm not on the other end of the phone. People who play with Mike need to understand he's one of the best at dragging info out of you that you don't necessarily want to give. If you don't like to play that game I wouldn't get on the phone with him, or I'd have a PR team giving me...
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- Robert Scoble
Arrington seems like he drives hard for information. Which is great in a journalist, in my opinion. But then again, I'm not the one on the other end of the line getting hit up for information.
- Andrew Hays
Mike is a god among mortal bloggers, this industry wouldn't be very interesting without him, gotta say. He pulls info no major news source ever could. Really looking forward to the first time he drills me, and from my calendar that looks like about 2 weeks away. :)
- sean percival
sean: word.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just hoping that he, or anyone else, will have a reason to do so with me whenever I get around to it.
- Andrew Hays
The uproar over this in many ways is that people got a very inside, very candid, dirty look at how the sausage is made. It makes people feel uncomfortable to see that--like going to a slaughterhouse-- but overall it's a very good thing for folks to have their heads abruptly removed from the sand. The part that is regrettable is that in Arrington's candor, he became the object of the abhorrence with the sausage making.
- Travis Kalanick
I never quite thought about it like that, Travis, but that's very insightful, you're very right. People don't always like getting a good inside look at how things work, they just want to know that it works and now they're looking at some more of the inside, so they're upset. Though I don't think Twitter is that similar to a slaughterhouse. ;)
- Andrew Hays
Documentation is an asset. Twitter as an intangible asset, its essence, has been damaged. Its issuance was made without board approval regardless of its newsworthiness. Controls were breached. What would happen if Coca Cola's formula was hacked & the guy who made it was from Canada & not the US originally, doesnt that make it newsworthy? This is not a Tech or Journalism issue, its an...
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- iTbay
Arrington did nothing illegal though. He reported on the information that landed in his inbox. I think this is very much a journalism issue. The legality issues would be with the hacker that will never be caught for his actions. And that battle is lost with this case, as it is with so many others. With legality out of the way, it leaves accounting, I suppose, but like Arrington said,...
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- Andrew Hays
You're no. 5 argument is quite persuasive. But what's awful about Arrington is that he arrogates himself to the role of the old newspaper, a public interest institution, but has investments in some of the things he covers favourably, thereby having no firewall like old newspapers. He also can influence who gets VC money and who doesn't -- something much more powerful than old newspapers. So he has all the power with none of the responsibility. He decides alone, without even an editorial board. It's wrong.
- Prokofy Neva
The issuance of the information is like when Central Bank lower the interest rate to control the money supply. The effect on the economy is pervasive. One person making a decision to make pervasive changes to a system, like the economy, is beyond the principles of Journalism. Twitter is no startup Crunch company, its like the banking system!
- iTbay
Prokofy, It may be wrong, but let the free market decide. The mainstream media does no better. There are no Edward R. Murrows anymore. The thing about today is, everything is moving so fast, we are in a freefall into the future, there are no more guidelines. Everyone must cut there own path. This is both scary and exciting. Scary because the guidelines are gone, exciting because creativity is unleashed in the business world as much as it is in the arts.
- Stephen Pickering
Andrew: the substance of the matter, which accounting captures, is greater than the form of the matter, legality. The damages to Twitter R not the legality part, its the accounting part, the present value of what it will make in the future + its assets - this equation has been damaged without board approval regardless of the hack in Twitter's General Control Environment.
- iTbay
Robert: In real life there is no such thing as 'off the record'.
- Dan Morelle
Dan: true. That's why at Microsoft we said "live your life as if everything you do will be on the front page of the New York Times."
- Robert Scoble
Hence the pink wigs ;)
- Dan Morelle
Robert, "live your life as if everything front page nytimes" etc comment direct from Warren Buffet. Also, @ sun valley conference I realized: there really is no "independent media" - all of those reporters have "relationships" w/ their sources and honor those relationships. They can't "speak the truth" as they see it or as it transpires, per say, w/out acknowledging their career / relationships first. Hence the catch
- j sven
Oh gosh, what a world we live in. We sue our kids for sexting, but let a pseudo-journalist get a free ride with STOLEN CONFIDENTIAL documents from a PRIVATE company, and still think that this is "the right thing to do" and even argue that he would "look bad if hadn't published yet". Oh yeah.
- gui ambros
gui, you've got the wrong idea. First off, you're analogizing this with sexting, when they aren't in the same category. Child prostitution would be more the category that fell into. Mike Arrington did absolutely nothing wrong by using the documents that he was given. He didn't steal anything. Again, the hacker is wrong, Arrington is not. You make it sound like he stole the documents...
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- Andrew Hays
from email
Unless ties are severed, all this bantering about serves as nothing more than publicity for both parties. Well played TC and Twitter!
- Dana Fosburgh
value of documentation = an asset which is less than ANY publicity gains for Twitter
- iTbay
Robert - wouldnt it be great if comments had likes! Makes friendfeed even more powerful! a thought
- iTbay
Help me understand, why do some bloggers say that Friendfeed is a mob? If it's true, how is it different than comments on a blog --or the Digg community? (I'm trying to understand)
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i'm with you. it doesn't feel like a mob to me. maybe those bloggers are afraid of the type of convo here.
- Scott Magdalein
I've never heard this claim about FF. What do they mean by mob? I do believe all social media is subject to demagogery.
- Eric Schwartzman
Read Arrington's post on it: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... The basic premise is that because everything happens in real-time without the need for even a pause to refresh and reflect on what's going on, people pile onto issues without in much the same manner a mob does.
- Mark Trapp
So is that the pain point of Friendfeed? or people?
- Jeremiah Owyang
web 2.0 vanity.
- Dimitar Tsonev
I think it's a combination of controversial issues / people + realtime + friendfeed users who comment without reading
- arjo
The thing is, if you aggregated replies to a particular post on Twitter, I doubt the level of negativity would be any different. But since FF makes it easy to see them all in one place, it appears to be worse.
- Kevin Pedraja
I think of Friendfeed as way to see and engage with the overall social media dialogue created by people I'm interested in. I don't see it as a mob at all. That said, I think it's different from a blog or Digg (at least in how *I* use it).
- John: @johnhaydon
@ Kevin Pedraja, I agree. Like Bret Taylor said on Friendfeed conversations are centralized while on Twitter conversations are decentralized. http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- arjo
So, basically, Friendfeed and Twitter are probably the same in terms of mob mentality, it's just that you're more accountable for your behavior on Friendfeed?
- Victor Ganata
Uh...I hate to be the one to point this out, but anecdotes do not make fact, and considering this comes from a post by Michael, who for some strange reason seems to attract sh*tstorms, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. I have seen very few of these dogpiles on FF and, to be frank, almost all of them have been about Mike. To me, that seems like a pattern of someone who gets into a lot of conflicts rather than a pattern of behavior or tendency on FF.
- Neal Jansons
Victor: I disagree regarding the mob characterization. I think anytime you have a large group of engaged people, you're going to get strong reactions to certain topics. That doesn't make them a mob. Arrington seems to be particularly sensitive on this topic, but he's also a bit of a lightening rod.
- Kevin Pedraja
Kevin: No, I agree, I think the use of the term mob is pretty hyperbolic. I was just using the term that's been thrown around.
- Victor Ganata
In keeping with my monthly reporting of compete.com tracking of FF vs. Twitter, for the month of June (after a flat May) Twitter grew at an astronomical monthly rate of 16.57%. FF by comparison mostly held flat in fact declining .26% after crossing the one million unique visitor count last month for the first time.
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I suspect that a lot of the continuing media coverage of Twitter probably accounts for it's continued rise. I'm not sure why FF seems to remain flat though.
- Thomas Hawk
I remember seeing a graph like that about the time Pownce shut down..or similar.
- Mike Lewis
Plus I'm sick of hearing twitter every time I turn on the TV. Wish Rick Sanchez and Don Lemon could see me shaking my fists at them :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Because FriendFeed continues to be perceived as too hard to use, too much information, too difficult to make it display what you want it to display, too desktop centric, et al. And they are right.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF might be a complex enough web service that it needs to step forward and make its own desktop and mobile clients, in its own vision. Quality clients straight from the horse's mouth would bring the experience out of the browser the way it's meant to be.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I disagree. Their mobile site is top notch, and as for desktop app, just use a chrome instance on windows or a fluid.app on mac, works beautifully, shortcuts and all.
- Evan Travers
from Android
Scoble: I think Twitter makes it much more difficult to make it display what you want it to display. Without some type of Folder structure, Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
TWITTER TRACKER TWITTER TRACKER
- Rochelle
1UP Rochelle
- Akiva Moskovitz
ff needs to read my post about how they will make money - that chart would change if they would listen :)
- Allen Stern
thanks for keeping score
- chaz2b
Robert if people can figure out how to navigate the iTunes store or buy something on amazon, then they shouldn't have any trouble figuring out Friendfeed. It's not that complex.
- Jeff P. Henderson
from iPhone
Who is searching for "hip hop distribution" so much and what does that even refer to???
- Mitch
interesting point Robert. I wonder how they could improve it. I know that one thing that I would like would to be able to import all of my Flickr contacts into FF. I think there are a huge number of potential Flickr users who would use FriendFeed if it had that capability. Not sure why they don't implement that. It would be very cool to match up my Flickr contacts with their FF accounts and auto set up imaginary friends for contacts not on FF yet.
- Thomas Hawk
FriendFeed still needs SMS - for instance, in South Dakota I couldn't access or post to FriendFeed, but I could Twitter because I still had SMS. Twitter is simply open to many, many more audiences because of that.
- Jesse Stay
I believe that mostly only after Twitter users have sufficiently "banged their heads against" its unwieldiness with larger "following" counts (and no, Tweetdeck isn't a sufficient solution), do they wake up to the idea that a service like FriendFeed is even necessary (someone that doesn't think Web2.0 info filtering as a huge issue simply doesn't need FF). As such, FF is likely always...
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- Alex Schleber
Jesse - Use an SMS to Email client, FFS.
- Mitch
i'm with alex on the paid features, but not $100/year. maybe $50 or $5/month. and totally agree that FF will remain a great tool for power users as long as it stays in its current form.
- Scott Magdalein
A quick look at Quantcast (the far better measurement tool BTW) and you'll see that Twitter's success is tied to a band of addicts and regulars. 1% of the people make up 35% of the visits. FF hasn't obtained this type of hard core following yet. But Twitter is not converting new people as fast as they were - more than 50% of users have never sent a Tweet. How much is now automated Tweet...
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- AJ Kohn
Scoble has provided the best analysis of why Twitter is taking off and Friendfeed is stalled: noise. It's as simple as that. The FF interface is much too cluttered. Try offering the option to hide all comments and large images by default, and see what happens. Multi-column list view. More powerful automated personal prioritization of news. Radically reduce the noise and clutter, while...
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- Sean McBride
one million unique visitor isnt all that much
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Sean: My argument to this is that FF signal/noise ratio is much better to control in FF over Twitter. First, the engaging posts (like this one) float to the Top. But secondly, I can move people that create more noise than signal to a High Volume Folder. This gets rid of a lot. On the screen real estate, I kind of agree but love being able write longer items (like this). Agree that Filter types needs improving.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Technical people, savvy people, early adopters - you know, cool people like us - know about FriendFeed, but if I talk to my family about the web then they'll have heard about Twitter and Facebook and MySpace but there's a complete blank look if I say the magic word FriendFeed. The failure is one of marketing and usefulness; there's nothing complicated or restrictive for mainstream users about using FriendFeed but what will my parents get out of it and how can it be promoted to them for example?
- Mark H
Mark brings up a great point, it's the flock effect for most. They go where there friends are or where they think their audience is and that's mass marketed sites. I personally like Friendfeed this audience size (though I understand they would prefer to grow).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
FF, a long way to go, but Twitter can't sustain this growth for long time
- Michael_techie
Hello Thomas, Thanks for sharing, have you make any revenue through twitter? How you done this?
- Rohit
Revenue through Twitter? not that I'm aware of Rohit. I've sold a lot of photos on the internet and get money from ads when people read my blog, but I wouldn't say I've made any direct revenue through twitter directly.
- Thomas Hawk
manielse says: "Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness." Absolutely not true until you go to the trouble of setting up lists, groups, and searches. All of which you can do on Twitter with clients like TweetDeck. Or, just do as I do: don't follow thousands of people.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian, my point is that I don't need a 3rd party tool to do it in FF. Yes it's a little work but worth the effort IMO.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
friendfeed is too complicated for the average user, is a pain on mobile(reason I use it less than twitter), and doesn't have Ashton Kutcher or anyone comparable. It's a better product that will never really go "Mainstream Pop".
- Cody Heitschmidt
Friendfeed is where all the really *smart" people are. Yes, I mean YOU. :-)
- Karma Martell
I agree Karma! :)
- Thomas Hawk
Ditto Karma and Thomas! And there's so much more here on FF. You can do so much more with creativity.
- Myrna
"FriendFeed? My friends are all on Facebook. What's a feed?"
- Chris Baskind
My friends are joining Facebook. Twitter not so much (although corporations seem to be catching on). FriendFeed - nada.
- Mitchell Tsai
What does FriendFeed need? IMO Paths, signposts, places-to-go. In my past life doing HCI (Human-computer interface), ~50% of people don't get "directory" structures much less anything so info-rich as FF. See my posts on Myers-Briggs, where most people here are a minority of the general public. People here can read 100+ blogs & new sources. Most people are overwhelmed. If you simplify...
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- Mitchell Tsai
and how many twitter accounts are actually in use, posting and interacting? there are a lot of dead twitter accounts. the main problem with friendfeed is it gives to much power to your friends to change the priority of your posts. there should be a linear mode
- Noah David Simon
Chris's post brings an interesting piece to the "too complicated" debate: Facebook is actually more like Friendfeed than Twitter. Facebook is very complicated in many aspects yet it's mainstream. Point being, FF is not really too complicated, it's just not a household name (and I like it that way).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
What would I like - "Find me 10 people talking about cancer related topics." "Give me 20 hot technology discussions." "What's happening with 3G networks and the future of WiFi?" "Whose birthdays have been happening?" "Waterfall pictures" "Swimming discussions" etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
Manielse: Facebook is a great way to share pictures... FF is more text-based.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, I think you are on-target. One approach might be topical subdomains.
- Chris Baskind
Mitchell, you're just subscribed to the wrong people.
- Myrna
Facebook is hardly just about Pictures (yet I admit done much much better than FF) and is very text based.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Manielse, ditto
- Myrna
Pictures? I'm on fb and have 1000 friends or more, not as many as Sarah Palin. I love posting pics on FF, better than fb
- Myrna
It's just that regular people like fb. My whole family is on fb and that's a lot of people. They wouldn't be interested in FF.
- Myrna
Facebook also has critical mass. To make another comparison, Tribe.net offered a wonderful service (with some early investor money), but only achieved critical mass in the San Francisco Bay Area - mostly with the alternative "Burning Man" crowd. Tribe.net is kick-butt for SF events, but sucks in LA. MySpace started with the music scene, but managed to grow. Where will FriendFeed go? Can it move past techies, bloggers, and a few photographers?
- Mitchell Tsai
Not unless it develops hooks, as you suggest. Particularly since its community really seems resistant to growth.
- Chris Baskind
Which is a shame: FF is really slick.
- Chris Baskind
Facebook has not reached critical mass with my college classmates (1982-1989, age 40-50). Only 3-8% are on Facebook, and I still haven't seen a mad rush (including my Tech CEO/CTO friends). Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences. Whereas, 30-40% (maybe more by now) are on LinkedIn. My dance communities (a few thousand people) made the cross-over to Facebook in the past year - perhaps 95% are on Facebook (compared to about 5-10% last year).
- Mitchell Tsai
Honestly, most people come to Friendfeed and see constant discussions about Friendfeed. That's just what they see. It's A list narcissism on speed with a mob mentality. And don't take this up with me, look at the graph again. Take it up with the people that come here, see what they do and leave. Maybe it's good that it is that flat to the established community here, but I'm sure the founders cannot be pleased.
- Mike Lewis
I always love the "Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences" quotes. It's so true that people are afraid of these tools. If you think about it HRs would love to see your FriendFeed, less work for them to find all of your online postings. I can understand the fear is being transparent and open but private people in my opinion raises more concerns...makes me question why they are so private?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: Because one stupid picture can cost you your job as a high-school teacher. Traditional institutions are so conservative. Some high schools prohibit their teachers from using Facebook (for fear of lawsuits from parents), even though some college professors are now using Facebook in their classes. I have some high school principal friends, and the fear of lawsuits from students...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Some interesting points raised here: http://ff.im/53C52 about FF's lack of growth.
- Kol Tregaskes
Mitchell: I hear you. It's just so sad that these things (Lawsuits & fear of loosing job) happen though. Fear is such a powerful force.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
And I just shifted completely over to ff this week.
- Rohit
like your post on how friendfeed could work better with flickr too
- Kate
friendfeed is such an awesome blogging tool it would be a shame to ruin it with a community that I have no control over. I kind of feel the same way about Seesmic
- Noah David Simon
The biggest assumption being made at #crunchup is that people want to be distracted MORE with all this real-time stuff. Not sure thats true.
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Interesting point!
- Martin Bryant
Will you stop distracting me? I was here for the cat photos.
- Robert Scoble
New ascetism = turn everything off. Internet monastics who turn the Internet off?
- Justin Long
Well, you know what they say about people who ass-u-me. Except I'm not there...so I'm not the "u" or the "me".
- CAJ, somewhere else
Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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"Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks. Later this year we will open-source its code, and netbooks running Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010. Because we're already talking to partners about the project, and we'll soon be working with the open source community, we wanted to share our vision now so everyone understands what we are trying to achieve. Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS. We're designing the OS to be fast and lightweight, to start up and get you onto the web in a few seconds. The user interface is minimal to stay out of your way, and most of the user experience takes place on the web. And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
9:37 pm is an odd time for a blog post. I'm guessing that this post was published early in response to http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
- Paul Buchheit
Sounds awesome btw! "The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform."
- Paul Buchheit
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- patrick
This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad
- patrick
patrick, that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it? I don't know much about the hardware/OS in the CrunchPad though.
- Matt Cutts
sounds awesome indeed
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This sounds very, very interesting. Shame we have to wait till fall to hear more details. :)
- Sean Brady
Timing matters a lot Sanat. 10 years ago the tech and users weren't ready for this, but we're just about there now, especially with tech such as NaCl.
- Paul Buchheit
woot
- Robert Higgins
I agree with Paul. I think that people are ready for this. I am wondering however if there will be some confusion regarding Android versus Google Chrome OS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am so happy this is happening.
- Bret Taylor
Edwin: I was confused till now about Android usage in netbooks but this announcement actually clears that up.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Paul, your guess on timing is probably right. The story broke, so they hit publish. Note the last paragraph says to wait until fall and to have a nice summer. This is a very interesting development indeed.
- Louis Gray
How will this differ from just being a special Linux distro?
- Gabe
Gabe, in the same way that Android differs from a special Linux distro :). They both use Linux as a device driver layer, but have built up a whole new application layer.
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: from the blog post, they are writing a new window manager (and presumably getting rid of X since it is so slow and resource intensive). And I also presume working on startup time and power consumption will involve some deeper changes to the OS than most Linux distributions.
- Bret Taylor
Right on. Just like Apple did with Mac OS X.
- Sam Grover
"It should just work"
- Hayes Haugen
Bright move for an excellent project. V8 is so slick, I wished for it to be utilized in a broader domain than "just" within the confines of a browser. Stripping out all kinds of unnecessary OS components, building a layer of native windowing on top. Very excited.
- Mustafa K. Isik
a new windows system is interesting - Google just open sourced a custom NX server (http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009...) so I wonder if that's related. I think overloading the Chrome name is a mistake, though - look how that worked for Sun with Java (remember the Java Desktop System - which was a Linux distribution and JavaFX?)
- Nick Lothian
Won't people get annoyed when Flash doesn't work, or QuickTime movies won't play, or something like that?
- Gabe
How soon will Chrome have enough market share for Google to push major new browser features? There are lots of ways to imagine a browser, but we're all still using more or less the same one.
- Zak Stone
I'm so excited. I wonder when we can get our hands on the real stuff.
- Sung W. Lim
Gabe: I think a lot of the work that is going into HTML5 is to mitigate those issues.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Mark: Are you suggesting that people will write their apps in HTML5 (along with or instead of Flash), or that somebody is going to make a usable implementation of Flash in HTML5?
- Gabe
Gabe, I don't see any reason why they couldn't get Flash running on Chrome -- they already announced that Flash10 will be on Android: http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-a...
- Paul Buchheit
Web-as-a-platform has a long ways to go. I think this is great work they are doing but just don't see it as being transformative.
- Hayes Haugen
People will still want to run native compiled apps. Especially for games.
- Rodfather
Rodfather, see http://code.google.com/p... (sandboxed x86, in short)
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: The former. HTML5 includes built-in video and audio support, and includes Canvas, which will in large part act as a replacement for most use-cases of Flash. Some parts of it are already out there, but it'll still be a couple of years, I think, before it's ubiquitous. Maybe Google will get Apple and Microsoft to port their stuff to Linux (like Paul says, Flash is already in the works for Android) so it'll work on Chrome OS, but it seems more likely they're banking on HTML5's success.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Paul, Native Client sounds exciting
- Rodfather
A new windowing system just to run Chrome? Sounds a bit overkill to me. It feels like their "broad vision" is ignoring some important offline user behavior that can't easily be addressed with Gears. Soon they will probably need a file manager, a desktop, proper windowing, reserved areas on the screen to display "things" about what's happening and some more. Yeah, voila, what I just described is a fully-fledged Linux desktop, something Ubuntu-like. I hope they're not reinventing the old wheel.
- Enver ALTIN
What's going to happen when somebody needs to print a boarding pass or tax form?
- Gabe
Hopefully it will have some kind of printer support. Printers have to be the most backwards, broken part of the PC world though. Even on osx and windows, they never quite work, and sharing is nearly impossible.
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul .. good luck with that :) But we don't need printers, right? Everything can be done on the web.
- Tim Hoeck
Enver: except that Ubuntu takes forever to start up and X and all common desktop environments (Gnome, KDE) are slow as heck. I hope they reinvent a few wheels, if those are the wheels I have to choose from.
- Bret Taylor
Google and Microsoft getting more and more alike.
- Rutger Blom
Will Google take a cut from the devs for apps written for Google Chrome OS?
- τorƍue
Rutger: They are in the same space but not alike. i cannot imagine windows being open sourced
- Kiran Patchigolla
τorƍue, nope.. but you'll have to look at ads in your OS. :)
- Tim Hoeck
Kiran: I can actually see Microsoft releasing an open source OS if that generates money for them. I just meant Google, by first releasing a browser and now an OS, is starting to look more like Microsoft in my eyes. They just apply a different license to their source code and "do no evil" right?
- Rutger Blom
Finally!
- phil
Finally, maybe it'll force IE to become standards-compliant. I'm sick of this ..oh yeah, now I have to make it work on IE (6,7,8).. this is such a clean concept (that we all knew was coming)!!
- Chris Myles
Did you notice that few weeks ago, Google announced that they were integrating NaCl into Chromium: "we have a strong preference for delivering Native Client pre-installed or built into the browser, and we'll be focusing on that as our main strategy for delivering Native Client to users. Careful readers may have already noticed evidence of integration into Chromium...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Bret, sluggishness is a feature of today's Linux desktop, I agree -- but determining to reinvent instead of giving a few hands to fix the problem? Just to host a browser? It doesn't seem like a good move to me.
- Enver ALTIN
I hope the good old classical *nix utilities will be available in this grand new OS, specifically vim+git? I'm just going so well with Linux.
- Juvenn Woo
I think they should have kept it a secret until they had more code. Also, history is littered with attempts to do this. Remember NetPC? Remember JavaPC/JavaOS? Remember Netscape's Javascript Push Desktop? Maybe the web is mature enough that people are ready for this concept now, atleast on mobile devices like the Pre and NetBooks, but there's a still a lot of people who like to run...
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- Ray Cromwell
ChromeOS is custom GUI for web apps running on a linux kernel, right? So how exactly is this different from Palm's WebOS which is a linux kernel running a custom version of webkit.
- Greg Morgan
Greg, it's probably conceptually similar, except that ChromeOS will be designed for netbooks instead of cellphones (which obviously have different ui constraints).
- Paul Buchheit
Isn't a huge difference compared to WebOS (which allows some API calls to the hardware) that the apps developed for Chrome OS are limited to the webbrowser sandbox? In the blog post Google says "And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform." Unless they try the Microsoft Active X approach to get around that, which sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.
- Daniel Chow
Will this mean I get adsense on my desktop? ;-) No but srsly I am amazed to see that this interesting project wasn't started by a team that has just left Google.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Finally
- Ozkan Altuner
from Android
@Ray Cromwell, you're right, they should have kept their cool, and let the NYT publish what it wants without explicit corroboration. It's MSFT that's the master of premature announcements, aka vaporware, not Google. As it is now, the assorted self-styled tech punditry of the world will have half the summer and fall to speculate, when they could have been caught largely unawares with a simple faït accomplí.
- ianf ⌘
@patrick "This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad" and @Matt Cutts: "that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it?" - possibly, only Arrington needs the OS by last friday, not "in second half of 2010," when first "Chrome'd" hardware is supposed to arrive. On a personal note, I'd probably be more enthusiastic had they managed to bring out a stable Chrome browser for OSX, not solely the old Windoze… first things first.
- ianf ⌘
@ianf: Like your "rock dots" in fàït accômplí :)
- Joel Webber
Nifty design goals.
- Mark Essel
I hope standart Linux tools will be available :-) Vim, ssh should be there!
- Eren Türkay
Someone said "I hope they're not reinventing the wheel" -- I hate to break it to you, but that is what Google does best: reinvent. Search Engines, webmail, jabber, web browsers, linux for phones, email ... all of them had already been invented once ;-)
- Joel Bennett
If we never reinvented the wheel, we'd still be using tree trunks to roll things on.
- Rich
a great opportunity for linux, IMHO. And anyway, another player in the field of OS, which is good ;-)
- Marco Castellani
I hope Chrome OS will bring real innovations to Linux (which is already innovative). Not only Google's logo!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
This is big. Like... Biblical Big.
- Mike Troiano
Oh, yeas? And what epochal software, pray, has the Bible brought forth? I can only think of the virus of religion itself, but that's hardly a cause to celebrate [spoken as true atheist].
- ianf ⌘
Official Gmail Blog: Gmail leaves beta, launches "Back to Beta" Labs feature - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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"We realize that after five years, this leaves some of you wrestling with some tough questions. How will you ever get used to using Gmail without that familiar grey "BETA" text greeting you when you log in everyday? What example will you cite the next time you make an internet joke about perpetual betas? Don't despair... Just go to Settings, click on Labs, turn on "Back to Beta," and it'll be like Gmail never left beta at all."
- Keith Coleman
from Bookmarklet
Ahhhh safe, familiar Beta.
- EricaJoy
im using back to beta :)
- Georges Harik
I'm back too :)
- Kaspar Minosiants
Congrats! Who would have thought hide-able labels and drag-and-drop would be the features to bring Gmail out of beta? ;-)
- Kevin Fox
Kevin LOL
- Susan Beebe
I hear the criteria was tape backup actually.
- Evan Parker
Facebook is crazy - I posted that note and within 30 seconds it had hundreds of likes and dozens of comments.
Rajiv Doshi, Berk D. Demir, Mayuresh Walke and 5 other people liked this
what note is he talking about? :) looks like he's involved with facebook for iphone 3.0
- Frankie Warren
Frankie: I believe this one: http://www.facebook.com/note...
- Bret Taylor
Facebook IS crazy - here are just a few of the 740 comments so far, what passes for content there [quoted verbatim, names removed to protect the guilty]: "Hw can i get it 2 my iphone/ wooow nice 2 here that/ Quizzes!/ yesssssssss!/ Grrrrr......still no landscape....???/ yeah! The current app is too slow, cant wait/ But old app of previous version use to work on os 3.0 continue to work/ coooooooooooool/ very cool maybe this update will fix my chat error/ hi i love u"
- ianf ⌘
Not exactly the same quality of discussion that typically occurs here (on FF) that's for sure!! Does anyone ever read the comments or is it all just noise? How do we avoid the same issues here as the popularity of FF grows? hmm.. food for thought!
- Chris Myles
We also get our share of "want!" and other monosyllabic ego-exhalations. But then the comments ffolding mechanism hides most of it. I don't understand where anyone, and especially a developer of some important new software, could find the time to wade through these endless and mostly worthless "contributions". So I can quite foresee a system where comments are auto-semantically-graded, flagged as potential "empty declarations of virtual love," or something, and discarded/ filed away from the sight.
- ianf ⌘
At some point, the ability to like comments may be a necessity to communicate back to the commenter that their contribution is considered worthy. Short of that, blocking someone, so you don't see any of their inane bullshit is the best medicine.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, liking (or disliking) comments not in current iteration of FF which, clearly, cares little about comments in the first place (thery're merely here as filler, steam-venting-off venues. Once added to someone else's post they effectively become that poster's prerogative to destroy/ delete them with the entire thread).
- ianf ⌘
"Not exactly the same quality of discussion that typically occurs here" = fatal last words.... fatal last words ;-)
- Jay Cuthrell
Jay: dude!!
- Chris Myles
ATM receipts - http://youratmreceipt.tumblr.com/
Rajiv Doshi, Violet Mae Lim, Tsega Dinka and 2 other people liked this
Why do they leave ATM receipts behind and not the dough?! :P
- Tamar Weinberg
This could be my new time suck.
- Derrick
Some of these receipts are depressing me.
- Tsega Dinka
FriendFeed now 6x more awesomer with themes - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Raphael, Raphael, roamin, HealingBrush and 340 other people liked this
I'm a Blue Wave man myself.
- Bret Taylor
Nice, but I think I like the Classic style the best. :) When can designers submit more themes, or users upload their own?
- Pistos
That wouldn't have anything to do with Google Wave, now would it?
- Daniel Sims
Who would believe that *I* would be using the "Flowers" theme? :)
- Ana
Helvetica
- Christopher Chung
Pistos: user submitted themes are coming soon.
- Bret Taylor
Pistos: It's in the blog post. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
I prefer to keep things Fresh
- Dan Hsiao
oooooh boy!!
- Micah Wittman
Nice! how much control over theming when user submitted comes out? Twitter-like? more? Sharable?
- Justin Hart
Helvetica for now.
- Jimminy Fuller
Whoops, didn't even see that there's a blog post. Sorry. :)
- Pistos
Justin: most of that (user submitted, shareable, etc) is coming, this is just a first step.
- Bret Taylor
Awesome.
- Justin Hart
thank you jesus
- Sarah Perez
This is awesommeee!!
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks :)
- Tracy Benham
Nice
- Kreg Steppe
*awesome* I <3 Helvetica!
- Sparky
Helvetica for sure!
- Burcu Dogan
This was all due to Kevin's (http://friendfeed.com/kfury) hard work in case it wasn't obvious. Great job, Kevin!
- Bret Taylor
Looks like I signed on just in time today.
- Yolanda
Thanks guys. Rockin Helvetica for now. Needs the FF logo though.
- Andrew Smith
Helvetica for now.
- Darryl
This post came when I was thinking how FF logo is a Twitter look-like. Dont change the Helvetica version!
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks.. but I'm not a big "theme" guy... I'd rather see updates to the API... I guess I should be hammering Ben for that :)
- Tim Hoeck
ohhhhh snap!
- Nathan Chase
Niiiiceeeee.
- Simon Wicks
I chose Fresh!
- David Schmidt
It became clear as soon as the FriendFeed Themes room was taken over.
- Andrew Trinh
Awesome!
- Frankie Warren
thank you!
- Alfredo
Do any of the feeds have the highlight options of AJ's theme? Or the Service Favicons from Micah?
- Matthew DeVries
Very nice. Like the Helvetica myself for the moment, but that will probably change in a week or two.
- Alex Hellstrom
Helvetica! awesome. BTW, pause button is clipped by a couple of pixels on WebKit browsers.
- Kelly Norton
Nice one, though we need more themes...
- Kaan Ertürk
+1 to Helvetica!
- Joel Webber
Helvetica is loveable but I wish it was white, black and red instead of being just 1-bit.
- Berk D. Demir
sorry guys. my helvetica edition more beauty :) http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Burak Dönertaş
haha :) thanx for that.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
helvetica ;)
- Faruk Kaymak
@Burak, yup, more beauty ♥
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Yeah, great job bro. i like the Helvetica edition
- Simto Alev
"Bamboo" suggests there's a picture, but all I see is brownish colours, at that don't match the friendfeed logo.
- Peter
I like "fresh"
- Peter
I like Blue Wave. Fresh should be the default theme and the Classic should be dumped. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
MIcah says his scripts still work with the themes btw: http://ff.im/4DlX9
- Kol Tregaskes
OMG LOVE!!!
- BEX
Perhaps post your favourite theme and whether you like or dislike the themes in the new *official* FF-Themes group here: http://ff.im/4DluG :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Peter, there should be an image inthe lower right corner. What browser/OS are you using? Thanks!
- Kevin Fox
this is great!
- Joe Pestro
Be Gone Grey!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Blue Wave for me :) - Great work FF!
- Roy Herrod
You guys flippin ROCK
- BEX
Why are they all so girly?
- Gabe
@Kevin Fox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6
- Peter
I'm with Gabe: after considering BlueWave, I went with Helvetica, everything else is just girly. I might just stick with my 'stylish' hacks.
- Joel Bennett
Yea, flowers and stuff are annoying. Helvetica version should be improved for better spacing.
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks, Kol, that's what I was going to ask - if themes conflict with scripts. Sounds like it's cool - heading off to choose one now. I have one stylish userrstyle script and two greasemonkey scripts applied to friendfeed. We'll see if they can all play nice.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, how'd it go?
- Rochelle
works great - I'm trying helvetica now. It's super clean because I have avatars removed. Me likey.
- Laura Norvig
cool... when is that nasty orange "ParisLemon" theme comin? :P
- Susan Beebe
This'll make it prettier when I'm using Chrome anyway. :) I think I'll stick with the Stylish scripts and hacks on Firefox, though - I like the typography modifications they provide. When user-generated themes come in, will they be able to modify the typography/spacing, or just the background and colors? Thanks for the options, guys!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Thanks Bret. Hel-vet a lot better.
- E-Advocate Network
Thanks Bret, I love the Helvetica theme, btw, your new avatar is awesome:)))
- K.D.
Helvetica. WIN
- Jamie
Tres cool.
- Jason Toney
It's good that ugliness is no more reason #1 to stop connecting. Next I would like to have is d&d to sort out friends in categories
- Michele Costabile
Helvetica... Minimalism. Thank you! :D
- Brandon
Thanks, FF team!
- Anne Bouey
Good stuff! Thanks!
- Rick Cogley
Great!
- Shun Fukuzawa
from twhirl
Helvetica! Clean:)
- Dave
Try this Helvetica - http://userstyles.org/styles...
- ThenWang
Bret, BIG MAHALO for the themes! I'm going Hawaiian! Check me out! http://friendfeed.com/AlohaAr...
- Arleen Boyd
Helvetica definitely :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Flowers & Butterfly Corner are good,but a little bit girl stuff.Any good theme for a guy?
- Steve Chou
YAY!
- Alli Worthington
Coolness!
- Ron Bailey
I like the Helvetica, who created it?
- Juvenn Woo
Sorry, but were there no "real" designers to push out some mindblowing themes? It´s just a change of color and background?
- Hans Kainz
Like those themes. Would be nice though, if they also show up if someone visits my page. Or does it?
- Sven
When I click your name, Sven, I get the bamboo theme, which is what I chose. If you have chosen a different theme from that, we know it just remembers yours. It seems to work differently from twitter.
- Rick Cogley
It's Helvetica for me!
- Rui Pires
I think i'm going bamboo...
- diego morelli
Helvetica all the way! I feel like the nytimes.com
- Liviu Barbat
@Rick: Thanks. I get the idea. The twitter concept would be nice though. Like personalized version of the FF page. Now, if there were archive links now.....
- Sven
Finally! I'll go with freeeeesh!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Walk the Talk. Best Buy is hiring a social media strategist http://www.bestbuy-jobs.com/job... Preferred requirements? "250 plus followers on Twitter"
Tamar Weinberg, Susan Beebe, Rajiv Doshi and 11 other people liked this
Only 250? Getting followers is easy.
- Jesse Stay
LOL! They're affraid if they had more followers it would cost too much :)
- Owen Greaves
What they should really be saying is "250 plus subscribers on your blog" - that's not quite as easy
- Jesse Stay
Lame. uh, how much does it pay? ;-)
- Laura Norvig
A TweetPsych evaluation may be more informative than the number of followers. =)
- Mike Smith
250+ twitter followers comes is right under "graduate degree". LOVE. THIS. POST.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The 1 year blogging experience is set low too.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
I don't see why that's such a big deal LPH but I'm not in marketing...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
250+ Twitter followers, and you beat me to it Daniel, just under the grad degree. Imagine being the poor soul with 225 avid followers they actively engage with while working toward their PHD. They would be SOL ;)
- Patrick Boegel
That logic (250+ Twitter followers = graduate degree) makes Oprah, Britney and @Aplusk all geniuses
- Deano @ Byron New Media
let me make a simple statement... whatever agency, analyst, outside consultant or internal employee who decided that any number of followers should be a metric used for hiring, should be fired immediately. I know you like pushing BB Jeremiah but this should be something you should clearly come out against. I could get 250 followers in 10 minutes. Here's my new tagline "Followers are the new hits." <- will do a post after my "rss subs are the new hits" from last year.
- Allen Stern
I agree Allen, followers isn't the only measurement of success. Good thing they had a long page about other requirements.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: Followers should not be a measure of success. I could friend 2,000 people today and have 300-400 people follow back with cheesy "auto follow". You really think followers should be considered at all?
- Johnny
This is approaching a similar situation I observed before launching DataPortability Project - everyone saying the same thing but no one saying it definitively in one place - A group of industry people should declare the Personal Recommendations world HERE and define some criteria for recommendations (topics/interests/friends/influence within your circle (not popularity) etc
- Chris Saad
maybe what their agency/analyst should suggest is that those who come in for an interview where a shirt that shows in real-time how many followers they have on twitter? shame on best buy.
- Allen Stern
Allen does my SocialMedian shirt count?
- Jesse Stay
jesse - i am not going to comment on that one **must resist**
- Allen Stern
How about my Disqus T-Shirt?
- Jesse Stay
that's very cool and shows us the importance in social media
- petes2cents.com
Or I could wear both of my Disqus T-Shirts :-)
- Jesse Stay
jesse - don't push me - i am already dealing with loic driving and making "stupid" videos as he called it.
- Allen Stern
So I registered DATAPERSONALIZATION.COM/.NET/.ORG - can u imagine a 1 page site that explains it once and for all so we can lobby?
- Chris Saad
Everyone Hug Allen Stern, he needs it, I'll start *Jeremiah hugs Allen*
- Jeremiah Owyang
Scripts, anyone?
- Daniel B. Honigman
*Jesse hugs Allen in his SocialMedianDisqus shirt*
- Jesse Stay
lol at jesse stay
- Jeremiah Owyang
Allen always needs a hug *Hugs Allen* :)
- Chris Saad
hey my man chris - jesse you keep away from me with those shirts!
- Allen Stern
@Allen: we demand a blog post. Now!
- Jorge Escobar
Jeremiah - that was so good I RT"ed it -- but looking at that job req really indicates some serious gaps! Yikes, BestBuy does NEED a social media manager asap! wow
- Susan Beebe
jorge - already in progress. must get my editor/CEO to approve it
- Allen Stern
A blog with an editor! Lifecasting FTL!
- Jorge Escobar
The last time people reacted this way to a famous music star dying was the day Elvis died. I was in elementary school and still remember my neighbors playing his music. Michael meant more to my life than Elvis.
Lon Cohen, Parth Awasthi, metalerik and 113 other people liked this
Hits close to home. Really close.
- Mona Nomura
It's a very weird night for news like this. But I agree, Michael was an icon, still is..
- Mark Aitken
Especially during the Thriller days. If you weren't there, you don't understand how crazy everyone was over MJ.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I'm wondering when the riots will start in LA..
- Mark Aitken
Somehow I'm completely without emotion regarding MJ's death. No idea why.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Same here Mona - I don't remember feeling this way about any celebrity's death before.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, what about John Lennon's death? That was also a huge jolt at the time.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I'm sure there are watershed moments for every generation. Elvis passing was more a Baby Boomers thing (IMO) while MJ is probably more a GenX thing. No doubt these things will impact everyone differently. Still, it's odd waking up to such news this morning.
- Threepwood
Is it really that big of a deal? The guy was a freak and a child molester. Sure he was huge in the Thriller days, but his star is not only not as bright, but a little tarnished as well.
- MarkCarras
For me and my crew, the day Jerry Garcia died was met with a similar reaction. For me it was much more profound.
- nicholas einstein
Yep. This is hitting me the way it hit me when Princess Di passed away. I was rather oblivious to Elvis, myself.
- Helen Sventitsky
John: yes. I think Elvis was bigger though.
- Robert Scoble
I liked his Thriller album and videos, but after that he seemed to go downhill. And the child molestation thing tainted how I felt about it.
- RobinDotNet
This has more impact than Kurt Cobain
- Ian Tindale
I feel sad, I love Michael's music：（（（（
- K.D.
50 is young. But Michael started his professional career at an extremely young age, so he's a true flash.
- Louis Gray
I always consider Michael Jackson to be the king of the bassline
- Ian Tindale
I like his music too, but I don't like his actions.
- Andy
I agree completely with Mona and Jesse, this is the first time that I feel like someone really close died, even though I never got a chance to meet him.
- Diego Espinoza V.
@MarkCarras ...and Elvis died on his toilet or something. So close to his passing most people are choosing to remember the GOOD things he did in his life.
- Bryan Zirkel
I wonder if people will try to whitewash over his history as a child molester and just focus on his fame?
- MarkCarras
The thing here is we've all seen his life through a glass window. He's been a very public figure, but with a private part to his life. I think we all recognise how much was lost tonight.
- Mark Aitken
more babies were conceived during an MJ song then any other artist in my opinion, RIP KING MIKE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Adrian Eden
I've never understood the way people worshipped him even now, years after he has done anything successful.
- RobinDotNet
Very strange day, sad. MJ was incredibly talented... a true star.
- Susan Beebe
it has been discussed 4 a few hrs already. RIP King of Pop
- polou/indigo_bow
Same age here, and that was a strange weekend. There's nowhere near the social influence in this case. No movies to pay over and over all weekend.
- Jason Nunnelley
What about his kids?
- Andy
What about when John Lennon died? Was that bigger than MJ's death?
- Sam Houston
I remember all too well when Elvis died, I was 9 years old, standing on Paige street in Lindsay, California, playing with my friends. Weird, how you remember things like that?
- Rob Fahrni
No disrespect to MJ but I think the same reaction would be happing right now if it was Madonna.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I also must remind myself about where I was when John Lennon died.
- Helen Sventitsky
I wonder if Madonna would get more coverage, actually... I preferred her as an artist.
- Tamar Weinberg
I'm too young to really have been a part of the big days of MJ, but I still LOVED his music. I hope he's remembered fondly. lots of stuff in the media about him that's not good. I choose to ignore a lot of it
- Chris Brakebill
Can't believe it really happened. Bigger for me than elvis, lennon, cobain or even diana. I hope people remember him for the brilliant musician that he was and not his other antics.
- Raj Narayan
Wow, has anyone realised we can measure the coverage of these celebs now with the tools we are all using? I'll bet we see lots on the news tomorrow about the social web coverage of tonight's story.
- Mark Aitken
I was a toddler when Lennon RIPped
- polou/indigo_bow
Folks, the real reason we react with such a deep personal response when a celeb like this dies is that it smacks us in the face with our own mortality. We identify ourselves a little with these celebs, whether we like, approve or even appreciate them as artists. I've been listening to Michael Jackson music since he was a teenager. I don't like seeing artists that were popular when I was a teen dying because it reminds me my time/era is fading just like that of my parents.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason - same feeling here. Very close to home for some reason.
- Mark Aitken
@MarkCarras what happened to the presumption of innocence? He was never tried on the first case due to lack of evidence, and acquitted on all counts on the second one
- Juan Tarrío
@Helen - I remember the Diana situation too, and all the hype around it.
- Tyson Key
Wow, what a bold statement. Jason, do you know me? Do you know the reason why this hits so close to home for me? What if I told you the very first cassette tape given to me by my dead mom was Michael Jackson's Thriller? Think twice before yapping like a know it all.
- Mona Nomura
i think of john lennon & frank sinatra in comparison to how big a legend michael was. the difference is, i grew up listening to michael jackson. sad day.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Mona, I'm not sure how your statement is incongruous with my own. Sounds like you agree.
- Jason Nunnelley
Juan Tarrio -- I would have felt that way too, if according to papers on the smokinggun from the first child molestation trial (the one he settled out of court) didn't reveal that the kid knew personal specific details about MJ's personal parts. Ick. I can't believe I just typed that.
- RobinDotNet
For me it was the loss of Peter Sellers and John Lennon. I think because they had so much more to give us.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
My personal idol of the early 90s who never had a real private life now gets what he deserves - liberty for the rest of his...being
- Naii
RIP MJ
- Kashif Khan
Yes, this is easily worse than when Dermot Morgan died.
- Ian Tindale
Elvis? Not John Lennon?
- Carol Levesque
His music was the soundtrack to a large part of my life. What a difficult life. RIP.
- Marlin Forbes
John Lennons death was under different circumstances, he was murdered and also coming back with a record from what I heard reported on Sky. I was too young for John Lennon so for me the closest comparison is with Princess Diana. RIP
- Joe Dawson
Never an Elvis fan, but I was a huge Beatle fan, so John Lennon's death was a shock to me. I do enjoy Michael Jackson's music.....unfortunately I found the man questionable at best, but also feel sad for him dying at such an early age. At least he no longer has to suffer whatever personal demons drove him.
- Bonnie Foster
People were pretty hung up when Lennon passed. Same with when Aaliyah and Lisa Lefteye Lopez passed away. I sincerely disagree with the sentiment that the last time there was a unified mourning of a musician was Elvis.
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
Aaliyah dying seemed to have a pretty big impact, even though it was soon overshadowed by 9/11. I remember seeing a lot of baby girls born after 2001 named Aaliyah.
- Victor Ganata
Mona, Jessie... Hits close to home with me too. And it also hits me like when Princess Diana died.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Michael Jackson? I can understand the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dylan, the Grateful Dead and dozens of others. But the King of Pap?
- George F. Snell III
@George - CNN pointed out that Thriller is the best selling album in history at 50 million. Love him or hate him that's a big impact.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No denying he was bigger than life - what a strange world he lived in - seems like he got lost somewhere along the way...
- Mark Harai
I see several people on this thread wondering why "GenX" is so impacted by MJ's passing, here is a reason why (http://www.youtube.com/watch...). He was hands down the best performer, crowd-puller, the 80s has known. When it comes to celebrities, I like to view the artist separate from the person, and as an artist, he was up there with the very best.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
definitely a noticeable generational and country gap here
- Bill Kinney
i was having an early dinner at a restaurant when i saw this on the local news....couldnt believe it.....truly sad and socking
- goutham
thought the same thing Robert. I was at the roller-rink when Elvis died. I will probably always remember where I was when MJ died - the gym.
- BEX
My favorite reaction from this news: "Don't worry, he's still alive on YouTube" - my four-year old nephew from Perth, Australia about Michael Jackson RIP.
- Iggy Pintado
I remember that reaction too and some don't seem to understand that Michael was an international superstar, who brings back incredible memories of our childhood. At 45 I literally grew up with his music and am shaken by his death.
- Karen Swim
I remember when John Lennon died in 1980, and it was much bigger for me than Elvis dying. He was assassinated, and it was announced on Monday Night Football by Howard Cosell. Lots of people were devastated by it. It's ridiculous to skip over it. The Beatles were the most well known band in the world, and in that moment, we knew they could never get back together because John Lennon was the leader of the Beatles, and now he was dead.
- Cristo
Like Cristo I remember the day Lennon died. Walked into the student coffee shop on campus and it was like a morgue. Yet, I grew up with Michael. I remember sock hops at lunch time. My first slow dance was with a boy to the Jackson 5 song, I'll Be There. Michael's death makes me face my own mortality. Michael's death is the end of an era.
- Arleen Boyd
I was stuck on the Test Track ride at Epcot when I heard the Michael Jackson news.
- Mike Reynolds
There's no doubt about Jackson's talent and if it hadn't been for his (for lack of a better word) eccentricities in the last several decades in my opinion there would be an entirely different bent to the epitaphs today. I kept thinking over the years, if he could just remain.. well.....normal...... but, would normal have produced Thriller? Billie Jean? The glove? Moonwalking? The...
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- Molly
As a musician, Elvis meant more to my life. But Michael was.. simply Great. RIP.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
RIP MJ and RIP Elvis anyway. :))
- Oğuz Serdar
Today is the day music video died.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: MTV did that a long time ago.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Daniel Oh, I don't doubt his impact on pop music - although I think his impact is more on packaging, marketing and style rather than in the music. I just don't understand the blind devotion of his fans.
- George F. Snell III
I suspect there are 1000s of people who meant more to my life than any pop star you can give me a name for. And I certainly don't know their names. What's the hashtag for that?
- Wade Dorrell
Of course there are 1000s of people who meant more to our lives. The reason we feel a sense of loss when celebrities like MJ pass is because his songs bring back certain memories from our lives. Brings back memories of my childhood. Less about MJ and more about his music and the memories.
- Curt Mercadante
Andy: Are you okay? You don't like his actions...did you ever see the man dance?
- Garin Kilpatrick
There are some people you're just glad that they are gone, not because you dislike them, but exactly because you _do_ like them. The guy was pushed into the showbiz by his dad, had no childhood, had no privacy, and the only people he cared about (i.e. children that lived crappy lives) were used against him to the demise of his career. MJ is far better away from this place we call Earth.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I was a 13 year old on the family trip driving trip that summer that started in connecticut, went through florida, across to arizona and then back across the center of the country. We woke up in Oklahoma city flipped on the TV and got the announcement that Elvis had died. Our next stop was supposed to be Memphis...
- Armen Chakmakjian
Don't forget Kurt Cobain. I actually cried when he died. I won't cry for Michael Jackson. :-/
- Dane Deasy
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