"Given the uncertainty of ad spending, the tremendous dollars going into digital media, the increasingly competitive landscape and the jittery global financial markets, I have added a few criteria to my check-list: * Initially sells to the enterprise for branding, credibility, awareness and early revenues * Can get to revenues within 6 months, tops * Is sold on the basis of ROI, e.g., helps generate revenues or reduce headcount/costs * Integrates easily with existing platforms and/or programs * Either leverages existing open source programs or can itself become partially or fully open source * Has multiple revenue streams, e.g., software, maintenance, services, etc."
- Andrew Badera
from Bookmarklet
couple stretch items on his list but nice of him to share
- mike "glemak" dunn
I was wondering which ones seem a stretch? I was reading this and it describes a startup I am working with to a "T".
- David Muir
12.5-25x seems a stretch to me ... that's grand slam territory. not unachievable, but not by any means "common".
- Andrew Badera
I tend to agree. But I read through and was trying to glean when the exit for the VC would be; after how many years? According to my calculations, asset value growth of over 30% per year still means a 13 year wait on an initial investment of $1 million to walk away with $25 million.
- David Muir
VC is almost always in terms of a ~5 year exit strategy I thought ...
- Andrew Badera
VC is evil. Smart CEOs do everything they can to avoid this route.
- Geoff Livingston
Everyone would love to bootstrap Geoff, but it's not a matter of "smart" vs. "dumb" it's a matter of practicality and pragmatism.
- Andrew Badera
25x return selling into enterprise space which tends to see rapid fast followers and commoditization is one stretch david... not all vc's are evil geoff but certainly some are - expect it's probably same ratio as general life ;) a huge percentage of today's businesses have leveraged vc funding when in proof of concept phase so they (we) serve a purpose... andrew's pragmatic statement is right on...
- mike "glemak" dunn
here's a few more stretches now that i'm on a laptop & not my iphone - 1) revenue in 6 months along w/ selling into enterprise is a challenge since enterprise sales cycles are notoriously long for any company let alone an unproven startup 2) integrates easily in an enterprise space is an oxymoron - again, its a good post and not all things stated are stretches (plus it is his fund so his call)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
sorry one more, the positive: "intersection of web services, network performance and cloud computing. More and more enterprises will shift portions of their processing, services and storage to the cloud, as the imperatives of cost reduction, scalability and flexibility take hold." - i think this is right on and valid, i'm seeing the same sorts of companies approach me and can't fault their biz models...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Andrew/Gregory, I actually clarified this in another comment thread. What I mean is that it takes no more than $1-$2 million to know if you've got a $25-$50 million business. I take lots of risk. I just want to make sure the business doesn't require loads of capital to know whether or not it is likely to get the traction required to be successful. It may well make sense to raise an additional $2-$3 million in a Series A to help the company execute its growth plan, and I'm ok with that.
- Roger
@Alessandro - oh i get it now, sorry. i got the "session expired" message in the main twitter window that shows tweets, not in the gadget itslef.
- Ivan Zuzak
Works great for me no problems so far "knocks on wood"
- Annika
from Nambu
I love it use it all the time it's great
- Annika
from Nambu
It will be a blast if w can save the searches and set preferences for refresh rate. So far, working great. :)
- Jonathan Kong
Yeah, I can't quite get the secure one to work.
- l0ckergn0me
I've been running Twitter Gadget for Gmail for two weeks. Suddenly, yesterday, I started getting "Your session is expired, please reload Gmail." The only thing that gets it back is to restart my computer.
- Marie Carnes
I only pay for last.fm, netflix, and flickr.
- ·[▪_▪]·
The only subscriptions I have are Netflix, Gamefly, and XMRadio. Not sure you'd call any of them online services, though. I'll probably renew flickr when I can more cash flow, though.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Remember the milk, Flickr and Mvelopes. I've been thinking about upgrading to Pandora One but haven't done it yet.
- Ward Seward
Mike Bracco: What other Mac online backup solutions did you try and what are the features separating Backblaze from others to be the best?
- Berk D. Demir
Berk, I tried Mozy when it was first released and I just found it slow, and backups would fail. Backblaze was slow too (initial backup took 17 days), but once it was finished, it's been well worth the money.
- cecily
Berk: I tried Mozy as well and also played around with a friends machine that had carbonite. I like Backblaze b/c is just works...I literally don't have to ever think about it. It was started by some ex apple guys I believe and it can definitely show in the final product. Very few options - it just backs up in the background. It also stores versions of a file so sequential backups are...
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- Mike Bracco
Evernote, Flickr, Toodledo, BitDefender
- Wei-Yen Tan
Hosting for my blog. Also pay for flickr, but that wasn't really worth it.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Flickr and Remember The Milk. Hosting accounts: Media Temple and Dreamhost.
- Jorge Gobbi
Evernote is my favorite. It is the one application I will not do without.
- Rob Cairns
Cecily & Mike: I've tried Mozy, Carbonite, Backblaze, iDrive and settled with Mozy for no obvious reason. Pretty much they are all the same. A very similar software, same slow initial backup process, versioned backups, easy restore, scheduling and background backup features, bandwidth throttling, being easy with the system resources and close yearly fees: $49.50 (iDrive: 150GB), $50...
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- Berk D. Demir
I must have tried Evernote five times, but can't really get what is SO useful about it. Maybe it's the "how" - can someone direct me to how they use it and why it's useful to them? As far as paid apps, Pandora, Carbonite and Extra Storage on Google. That's it.
- Vince DeGeorge
Vince: check out Evernote's blog http://blog.evernote.com/ as well their tumblr blog http://evernote.tumblr.com/ They have some great use cases on both sites. Maybe that will spark some ideas on how to utilize it. It's one of those things where you have to kind of be conscious of it and make yourself use it - then after a while it naturally becomes part of your workflow - at least that is how it worked for me.
- Mike Bracco
Was forgetting Animoto for which I will subscribe very soon
- Bertrand Doux
Thanks for those, Mike, very helpful. I think you're right... I just need to make an effort to get it into my workflow. I think it may work well to document ASP.NET snippets I use often (maybe).
- Vince DeGeorge
Vince: Yeah and what's helpful as Evernote progresses is that the service is getting faster and better integrated into the OS - which makes it less obtrusive and easier to work in.
- Mike Bracco
Remember The Milk, Flickr. Thinking about subscribing to Evernote but not sure I really need the premium version. If they add export option to their amazing recognition tool, I may switch.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
freshbooks is great for small business invoicing. I use Pandora One also and Remember The Milk. trying Action Method (really good!)
- Julian Seery Gude
from BuddyFeed
Spotify.com, ProvideSupport.com, EverNote.com and soon e-tipi.com :-)
- Elian Chrebor
@elian what does Spotify premium brings? I would subscribe for an offline and/or iPhone feature. E-tipi probably but I hope you won't have to pay ;)
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Can someone tell me what lynda.com does? And what do you get extra with a paid Pandora account?
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: Lynda offers professional video tutorials or classes on pretty much any software imaginable (classes are streamed in browser via QuickTime and range anywhere from 2-12 hours. Pandora One is the pay Pandora account. It offers more skipping per day, double the bit rate quality (192 - huge difference from free account) and also a longer timeout period.
- Mike Bracco
I thought the bit rate quality with Pandora One wasn't going to be a big deal but it's night and day...big difference.
- Mike Bracco
I only pay for one at this point: Flickr. I am considering Evernote as well.
- Adam
Likely Evernote. still test driving it.
- Carolyn Chan
No test driving necessary for me, now a premium subscriber :)
- LANjackal
from IM
giganews unlimited usenet for $25/mo is always tempting
- Mike Chelen
Other than my Web hosting, I don't have any paid subscriptions to online services that I can think of. I tend to gravitate toward ad-supported free services.
- Curtiss Grymala
I agree with @Bryan. Not the same as WolframAlpha, more like AskJeeves
- John Apps
not the same as wolfram but usefull - lots of info gained from wiki posts
- Matt Stevens
Not very useful IMO. For example, your planet query works, but searching for BMWs lists all car brands, which is nonsense. I'll stick with Alpha, where at least the results bear some relation to the input. Total miss here by Google.
- LANjackal
Google Squared is nothing like alpha, But it's gameable! look up "Programming Languages" and add PowerShell -- it turns out that according to Google squared, PowerShell influenced C#, DCL, ksh, Perl, Ruby/LISP, CL, SQL, COMMAND.COM/ cmd.exe, Tcl ... and unlike other languages which have locations such as "Newark, NJ" "Paris" and "Australia" ... PowerShell is located in \Scripts\old\
- Joel Bennett
But it does not answer the question: "How many beans make 5?". Bing does, amazingly enough
- John Apps
Looks nice. It partly does what Wolfram Alpha but it's a long way off. Certainly something I use though.
- Kol Tregaskes
It's not a Wolfram Alpha killer at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
So when do you think that universities are going to say not to use both of these services?
- Santa CW™
The problem with Wolfram Alpha is that it doesn't have much in the way of popular culture references like Google has. Once it does it will be amazing and possible replace Google for me (but that's a long way off). Google Squared is just putting search results into a simple table. A useful feature, for sure, but is very different to Wolfram Alpha.
- Kol Tregaskes
Something really surprising (for me) when I played a bit with Google squared today, is that I found spam on some results¿? It was like the last place I was expecting to see spam.
- Josue Santos Martin
No it's not Wolfram Alpha, but oh, my, god. LANJackal, try searching for "bmw models" instead. That's a good starting point.
- Kamilah Gill
What I like about google squared is that it allows to add column of info of your choice. It is in developing phase but I hope Google does not keep it buried under other projects.
- ashish
Funny that it took Wolfram Alpha and MS Bing to make google improve their "question" and "topic" handling... No competition had made them slack, imo
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I don't understand people defending it. Their data is so scrambled, you could never trust it. I mean, search for the Secretary of State http://www.google.com/squared... ... and look at the descriptions of these PEOPLE. Half of them aren't even in the ballpark.
- Joel Bennett
If expand that search, get Hillary Clinton on there, and then add the "President" column ... apparently Hillary Clinton is serving as Secretary of State under president Patrick Leahy. :-D
- Joel Bennett
Joel, it's Labs, which is like beta. I don't expect it to be perfectly accurate yet. I like it as an organizational tool. I don't want to bash it too much because I don't want them to give up on it and then have it disappear entirely.
- Kamilah Gill
The planned elimination of regional networks makes a LOT more sense now. With unique usernames it should be very easy to find people without knowing what networks they're in (a task that is currently very difficult)
- LANjackal
surely a neat facebook.com/rusticthoughts url would cool no?
- Zee.
Not really bothered. But if i can get it i will, just because i can. :)
- Simon Wicks
Usually us geeks have first dibs on the handles because we are first to the party with all these social networks. In this case with facebook holding out for so long, we now have to compete with the "flock" for the handles - not cool facebook :) haha
- Mike Bracco
@Mike - if you want a better chance at getting your handle and you have Twitter account, you might want to follow @fbname to get a 1 hour reminder before they launch the vanity urls. :)
- arik
arik: thanks for heads up :) Also, I see you co-founded topify. I signed up for invite a couple of days ago with twitter handle @bracco - anyway I can get accelerated on getting an account...thought I would try :)
- Mike Bracco
@Mike - I sent all the waiting invites few hours ago.. you should've received it by now. If you haven't - just email me - arik@topify.com and I will send you one :)
- arik
Arik: Cool thanks. Haven't received yet. If I don't by tomorrow I'll certainly reach out - appreciate it. thanks :)
- Mike Bracco
I think the minimum 5 letters kindof sucks though.
- Nicholas James
"Today, Erin McKean realized the idea behind her 2007 TEDTalk with the launch of Wordnik.com, a dictionary that evolves as language does. On Wordnik, users can add new words and meanings, tag words with related expressions, see real-time search results for words from Twitter and Flickr, discover how many Scrabble points each word is worth -- all on one page."
- Brad Williamson
from Bookmarklet
hahahahahahahaaa [Edit] Somebody wouldn't give her his telephone number?????
- Kamath (नमः)
I think an important element to this that isn't immediately obvious (if you don't click through) is that this is addressed to Gary Vaynerchuk of Wine Library TV, who has started to use a video as an email auto-responder: http://tv.winelibrary.com/garyvs-...
- Mark Trapp
This sniffs of a transparent Lonelygirl15 spoof to promote Gary's book, 'natch.
- joshua fouts
Yes, Vaynerchuk's video response to email is significant, and Andrew's dislike of same. I think the video is great, it may be Rocketboom 2.0.
- Dave Winer
I've fallen victim to Gary's auto email reply, with his video link, before. lol.
- Louie
liz, message from gary: "please mail it to 586 Morris Avenue Springfield, New Jersey 07081 marked ATTN GARYV URGENT URGENT URGENT thanks will get back to you in two to three weeks"
- Deva Hazarika
"What many companies don't realize is that microdecisions — small decisions made many times by many workers at the customer interface — can have a major impact on the business. How they are made can be the difference between sloppy and effective execution, and between profit and loss. If you can identify a few key microdecisions that can be addressed and improved, you can often dramatically improve performance."
- V Mary Abraham
"Each year more of your life is stored online. While many services will back up your desktop, we haven't found anything that will backup your lifestream. So we are building it. In a couple of weeks, we will launch with the ability to manage all of your online accounts in one place."
- Zee.
good concept - i've thought about this same thing, that what happens to all of these collections of points of interest - especially when it becomes decades old - it will be interesting to be able to look back on it all 10, 20, 40 years from now... little trinkets of memories that would otherwise be lost forever
- Nathan Chase
I used to have the hots for Sandra Bullock when I was a teenager, not so much now. Now I haven't a clue, too many to choose from, lol. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
David Boreanaz, Harrison Ford (yes, still!), Nathan Fillion. They'll do for starters!
- WorldofHiglet
Still Kylie. And she so small too, I could keep her in my pocket and my iphone in the other :)
- Thomas Bøhm
Daniel Craig. And Harrison Ford when he was still in his 40's.
- Helen Sventitsky
I wish to be able to see all my favorite celebrities ... I can't choose between them ! it's really hard .
- Viva Vida
I have a huge crush on Steve Carell. I think he's just dorky adorable, and a man that can make me laugh isn't just a desire, it's a requirement.
- Derrick
JA, the 2 Kate's are nice. Cheryl Cole (from Girls Aloud) is probably my current fancy. :-) There's a little bit of grit behind that pretty face.
- Kol Tregaskes
Rochelle, I'm a HUGE Seth Green fan as well. He's so adorable! Also, Bradley Cooper (the eyes!) and I'm currently crushing hard on Zachary Levi. Girl crushes? Eliza Dushku and Jenny Lewis.
- Lis Miller
I really love Laura Dern in David Lynch's Wild at Heart. The leather bikini drives me crazy. Nicolas Cage and Laura Dern play Sailor and Lula, lovers on the run from some dangerous whackos hired by Lula's mother (Diane Ladd) to rub out Sailor. Along the way they come across an even more dangerous whacko named Bobby Peru (Willem Dafoe), and in between we are given an overload of...
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- Ralph Poole
Dean Cain used to be my favorite. Robin Shou definitely got my heart pumping. I don't think I notice celebs much anymore.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Will - I'll take Billie Piper too. Especially with her accent!
- Amani
It changes. For a long time it was Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio. But lately I've been noticing that Anne Hathaway is looking pretty good. @Ralph... Wild at Heart: terrific movie. One of the few Nick Cage movies I can bear to watch.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Just picked up Obama's book. I can't think of a reason anyone in America shouldn't read the thoughts of the leader. It just seems so intuitive. Will let you know what I think.
I recommend the audio version, read bu Obama himself. Perhaps it will become avail under CC license now that he'll be working for us?
- Andy Sternberg
from fftogo
Mark and ana, I would agree that everyone should read those books as well. Regardless of how we think of these people, understanding their thought processes can be enlightening (in both good and bad ways). Don't ignore history because something bad happened.
- Rob Diana
Rob, I'll buy that for a dollar. My (and I assume "ana" aka Greg Lent) intent was to refute the original post by providing examples of other books written by prolific leaders of their respective nations.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I'm in the middle of it now. Although it was written a few years ago, it all sounds like what we heard on the campaign trail. Consistient.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Both his books are really good. I agree we should read books from leaders. Lincoln on Leadership, and Robert E Lee on leadership are two other good books.
- Santa CW™
I would like to read this book and then read another book from him after his term in office on what it was like to be the first African American U.S. President. And then contrast and compare his accomplishments. I am so happy he made it!
- David Cook
David, that will be a great book to read. I look forward to it too.
- Santa CW™
Mark VandenBerg, what did you like about Mein Kampf, I'm an open minded guy, so please explain
- Jeremiah Owyang
it's probably worth a read, but it makes you wonder: when exactly did he find the time to write a book?
- .LAG liked that
I love this design. I really like the social media icon circles in the top bar as well as the pulling in of the Flickr stream. Also, noticed the FriendFeed icon below the comments. Is that a plug-in or something you're having custom made?
- Justin Levy
I dunno Justin if it's custom, I'm leaning on Mitch for this, he's going to implement it for me. That's why I hired him.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Super clean, professional design. I really like it. I would consider making the text to the right of your logo in "{ }" a bit larger. It's kind of small and should probably fill up that entire box. I would definitely move your contact logos and the rss logo outside of the search bar.
- Kevin Pruett
i do like it, but i would try it with a sidebar transparent background, just to avoid that the eyes go over while reading. -- disclaimer: i'm not a webdesigner :)
- Markingegno - Donato
Hey all, I'm Mitch (the designer) and I'll be around to answer questions / take comments. There's a plugin for WordPress (http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre...) that I've been researching - seems to do exactly what I want. If the wheel isn't broken, no sense in reinventing it!
- Mitch Canter
Thanks for the link Mitch! The design looks great! :)
- Justin Levy
In general, I like it. The social media icons on the top make no sense, they look linked to search. I assume they are links to your profiles on each, if that's the case they need to be contextualized. It wouldn't hurt to be super obvi and say "Find me on..." above them. The subscribe block looks like a totally different design. Maybe that should include Subscribe via: email, FF, RSS, etc.
- Clay Newton
I would also do something better with the right column. Right now, its left side is very jagged. If all items aligned left and/or there was better visual definition to the separate sections, it would be less itchy. Also, there are too many font sizes over there for similar things. Look at the job links versus popular posts.
- Clay Newton
Clay: Do you mean that the font sizes are similar? or that there are too many different sizes? Just wanting to clarify :)
- Mitch Canter
I like it. Its not too busy. I like the twitter status at the top ... now get back to using it Jeremiah!
- Brett
I like it a lot. Clean design, corporate without being boring. I find the main blog font a bit too small, at least in this photo. Perhaps bump it up a point or two? Mitch, can you do those socmed icons for mine, too?? Now I'm jealous. ;-)
- Connie Crosby
@Mitch I meant that it looks like there are either different fonts or different sizes on the right nav similar type items, like the jobs links and the links to top posts. I think it makes sense to use the same treatment.
- Clay Newton
Clay: that was my intention, I may have overlooked equalizing everything. I'll take another look and will make sure the sizes are standardized. Thanks for the heads-up
- Mitch Canter
there's big empty space around the { Jeremiah discusses } ... I like empty space but somehow this one sticks out - maybe its the gradient that's bothering me a bit. Overall though, its an excellent design.
- Brett
I'll echo some of the suggestions I've seen that struck me as well: 1) Not obvious what social network icons next to search box link two 2) Some kind of division b/t main content and sidebar column 3) Increase font size, including text b/t { } 4) Not sure about displaying most recent tweet in horizontal strip across top. Seems out of place there (especially if you stay on hiatus!). Apart from that, it's a good, clean look. Compliments to Mitch.
- Bryan Person
@Mitch: Have been doing research/testing on WP themes this week (including Thesis) and on SEO plugins that allow for customer title tags and description tags. This might be useful to include for Jeremiah, to give him an additional SEO boost!
- Bryan Person
Bryan: I'm taking the "SEO Plugin" approach and will be utilizing some SEO enhancing plugins. All-In-One is my goto, but I have others that I like. I'm one step ahead of you on this one :) Thanks for the suggestions!
- Mitch Canter
This theme does not look professional enough, looks like one you buy for 20$. I would change this: 1. rounded design does not function well on your blog - make squared edges 2. bigger fonts, 3. don't like header, 4. too big date icon before blog title (looks realy passe)
- Jernej
Jernej thanks for the honest feedback, in your opinion, what are some modern looking blog designs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
ReadWriteWeb has been doing some of the most in-depth and interesting blogging on the web lately. Mashable is seeing traffic growth while RWW is going down, though. Why?
- Robert Scoble
I think its because Mashable has more social networking news, and there is always social networking news.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I know this isn't the primary reason, but I can't stand the look of RWW. It's really harsh looking.
- Andrew
Daniel: that might be it. Mashable has more "quick hits" too. This isn't a good trend. I always assumed the market would reward great work. I agree with Jeff. RWW has been doing great work lately.
- Robert Scoble
They all look like they are going up, it's just that ReadWriteWeb had a bad October ? No idea why but every blog can have an off month. Maybe they have a friendfeed problem ? However 216.8% up for RWW is double techcrunch and mashable for 08 so they look like they are doing ok.
- Adrian
Adrian: most tech blogs are down in October, so finding one that is up, Mashable, is interesting and worth talking about.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy and follow both blogs. But Mashable cranks out more posts, and they're usually social-networking - related news, like Daniel said. And Mashable's posts are short and to the point. Quite a few people do have short attention spans. ;) While RWW's posts are in-depth, people might not want to spend too much time reading (this doesn't go for everyone, of course). - And I personally like Mashable's lists. Just my two cents.
- deepikaur
Robert: One thing that attracts readers other then content is the look of the site. Mashable has a nice site, while RWW has a cluttered site that is sometimes hard to read. I personally just use a RSS feed reader for both plus all my other sites.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I think it could be the "Long Tail" effect manifesting itself in this space.
- Rob Hoeting
One reason also is that Mashable posts 3 to 4 times more than RWW... More page views!
- Ilan Abehassera
Darren: now THAT deserves a conversation all on its own. How would you compare these sites? What's your data telling you is happening in the tech blogging world?
- Robert Scoble
RWW obviously has some terrific posts, really solid. But Mashable is comfortable, and never snobby or elitist like RWW writers sometimes act in social media settings.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I don't read Mashable, since it has no value for me. Read RWW regularly. Most people dont't have patience for analysis and detail. That said, RWW seems to be doing fine, so nothing to worry bout there. Plus that last month only matters if it is indicative of a long term trend.
- Deepak Singh
the fact that Mashable focuses on lists, lists and more lists has got to be a major factor...lists are link bait, appear high on search engines and remain popular often for months.
- Zee.
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- sofarsoShawn
Robert: Anecdotally, our clients get more visitors from coverage on RWW than on Mashable. On the other hand, they get covered more often by Mashable. Still, I'm drawing on a reasonably small data set there, so that's not empirical.
- Darren Barefoot
Mashable seems to have periods where they go against the trending (Mar 08 going down while the others up, same with a few months ago) - no analysis, just an observation.
- George Smith
Personally, I really like RWW but I think the primary reasons are, which others have also pointed out, Mashable has more coverage of the social networking space which is driving more traffic and Mashables posts are shorter which could be a positive. Definitely don't think their should be any assumption the quality of RWW is going down, if anything it is continuing to get better.
- Steve Zimmerman
rww is up on the year & its growth is far higher than Mashable. Comparison with Microsoft and Google is interesting - Microsoft are down 17% on the year: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google...
- Russell
Darren: I believe that. I bet that the longer posts on RWW have a more engaged audience who is more likely to click and try stuff out. My videos are the same way. Anyone who'll sit through a 20-minute video is going to be very engaged and interested in the product being discussed, but fewer people will do that.
- Robert Scoble
Andy: Quantcast's charts are a lot harder to read, but seem to me to be showing same data: that Mashable is going up while the others are going down or flatlined.
- Robert Scoble
Another thought, I always hear big voices in the Tech community complaining about Mashable. Maybe this is proof that there is no bad publicity.
- Andrew
Andrew: that is somewhat true. Mashable does a lot of SEO tricks that piss off other bloggers. I don't really care. I look at social networks to see who is getting talked about. What keyed me into this conversation is RWW is getting talked about a lot on friendfeed and twitter in positive terms.
- Robert Scoble
Growth in RSS subscriber numbers doesn't equate to increased site traffic - the more feeds people subscribe to, the more likely they will just mark all as read
- Andy Beard
Mashable is spam, PR and contests and RWW is much the same, just try to read them everyday you'll be bored out-of-your mind!
- paul mooney
I agree w/ Beard, truthfully I just collect RSS feeds, perhaps 80% I read properly
- sofarsoShawn
Between RWW and Mashable, there is a huge difference in content choice for links/traffic, and the SEO and social media benefits are significant
- Andy Beard
How can it be "spam"???? I dont read either daily, or even often lol... maybe once in a while look at them... but thats it... not sure how you (paul) can call a blog spam???
- Rob Sellen :o)
Interesting discussion you started, Robert. I've always thought Mashable and RWW served very different audiences, so hopefully there's room enough for both of us to succeed. Also, so nice to see how many RWW supporters there are in the FF community! That's always nice to hear.
- Sarah Perez
It's just ads with content as a filler
- paul mooney
I hope RWW get paid a lot for hosting a Swicki in their sidebar, but links to searches for "funny horse videos" don't do their own internal traffic any good at all.
- Andy Beard
@Andy: +1 for Quantcast and +5 for seeing Mashable SEO strategy. Mashable is working on traffic generation big time and using a lot of SEO 'tricks' (aka - good business strategy) to drive traffic. While I prefer RWW content, Mashable is out marketing them.
- AJ Kohn
I agree to point that blogs like that are just a little content and a load of falshing banners...crap, but they already built up traffic..if you STARTED mashable today, no way would it get to where it is. But to call a blog for being like this spam is ridiculous...
- Rob Sellen :o)
I got a PR realise from some company I never heard of with a product that seamed useless and less then a hour later mashable on Twitter linked to a new blog post and it was THAT PR realise
- paul mooney
interesting. yesterday I observed that gigaom traffic is down 100k plus since October. it's possible lot of user attention turned to financial riot. can't imagine why mashable traffic grow though
- Kiran Patchigolla
Another time on Twitter Richard MacManus linked to a blog post on another blog listing himself as one of the best software developer bloggers, he's not a software development
- paul mooney
RWW is "intellectual" and Mashable is "sexy". I think RWW is really exceptional but sex sells.
- Elliott Ng
paul..whats that gotta do with anything here? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
RWW is quality content, commenting and analysis, while Mashable is kind of "just the news". I wonder if that is a generalizable trend.
- George Tziralis
I guess RWW will have to have more contests to keep up with mashables. Does mashable ever mash anything? Does Read-Write ever Read Write?
- paul mooney
Mashable currently has 6 list / resource posts on their front page - RWW have list / resource posts in their popular posts links, but some are relatively old - lists and resource posts gain links from a wider number of sources over a longer period of time
- Andy Beard
aside: So no one knows what team Mashable plays for?
- sofarsoShawn
Between FriendFeed and Twitter you guys should be able to discover bloggers worth reading. The best blogs are written by people who blog about what they do. I've never met a mashable or RWW blopgger at CES or any of the many conferences I attend each year. I think they are fead by PR realise and cash from the companies who give then advertising
- paul mooney
fascinating discussion, thanks Robert for starting it. as for paul mooney, u r full of shit.
- Richard
fwiw I'm happy with RWW's traffic growth, Nov was our best month yet. that compete data isn't right. I do agree that mashable's traffic is fantastic right now. A smart SEO strategy, some fortune with google keywords, and sheer quantity of posts all helped. good luck to them, as Sarah said there is room for all of us to succeed, in our own ways.
- Richard
It's because RWW puts long posts over two pages. People don't like that so they're staying away from RWW, even though it is better. :-) Who knows? And it doesn't matter. But Mashable is USA Today and RWW is NYT.
- Dominic Jones
Just a thought... Mashable's higher page views don't seem very compelling in light of their higher frequency of posts. Looking at a ratio (for comparison), or something like average views per post would be a much more informative number. Or maybe unique visitors (but these are still mediated by number of posts) or new subscriptions. Comments per post is also something to consider. The road to erroneous conclusions is paved with page views (examined in isolation, without regard to any other variables).
- Kim G.
Where is Sean McBride? He's going to flip when he sees this discussion not happening on twitter & with SCOBLE nonetheless ~ he hates twitter
- sofarsoShawn
Fascinating thread. Happy to confirm that Mashable's traffic is surging at the moment. I'm also a huge fan of RWW. Assuming your general case is true: one of these sites is for tech industry analysis, one is for early-adopting web users. One of those target audiences is bigger than the other; both approaches create value.
- mashable
I prefer RWW to Mashable (seems smarter and more thoughtful to me), am viewing this discussion on Friendfeed, and do indeed still fail to understand why anyone uses Twitter when there are much better choices available (Friendfeed, to be precise).
- Sean McBride
Twitter can be updated through SMS for one. Plus, most of my Twitter updates are done through Ping.fm
- MarkCarras
Maybe the quality of RWW is too high for many users to manage. They don't want to be forced to use their noggins. I'll bet that's it.
- Sean McBride
MG: you can also embed a real-time feed for a room in other web pages, so you can embed a real-time view for your next liveblog event (we thought of you when enabling that feature).
- Bret Taylor
Amazingly awesome. If friendfeed were a person I'd have the hugest crush on it.
- EricaJoy
gotta say it's immensely satisfying to use the share bookmarklet in one page and see it pop up instantly on the mini window
- Karl Rosaen
Time to watch FriendFeed scroll on ... and on ... and on ...
- Great Scott!
It probably does make a person more likely to post a comment or reply, because you know the other person just posted what you're commenting about. Shorten the feedback loop, increase the throughput...
- Ranjit Mathoda
Nice work guys. You've re-invented crack.
- Ryan Kuder
Yah, chasing the comment link is annoying. I am working on something for that now. The update rate was not exactly this high during a lot of our testing ;)
- Bret Taylor
Am I missing how to embed the realtime somewhere?
- Ryan Kuder
to keep congruence with the normal page, i'd like to see 'likes' show up here too
- Karl Rosaen
can u imagine the redraws if that were the case? I was thinking about this myself and it seemed a good idea till I actually implemented it.
- Prolific Programmer
yeah, i suppose so, glad to hear it was tried out (i assume u work at ff?). maybe 'most liked' graph on the side or something that would update as the votes came in... or not
- Karl Rosaen
Is there a way to just watch one persons feed in realtime? not their friends just them.
- Shawn McCollum
I have to respectfully say I'm not a fan. While I suppose it could be interesting for live blogging, etc... I'm a proponent of thoughtfulness over speed and quantity. We already have enough twittering in the world, enough 24-hour live news coverage. We don't need to know more sooner. We need to understand more better.
- Adam Lasnik
But wait, how do I flip it? I want new things to arrive on the bottom, like in all my other chat clients. I have a much easier time reading from top to bottom. (Also, can it auto-pause when I'm not scrolled to the live end of the feed? And if not, can the pause button stay in view when I scroll?)
- j1m
I didn't see the real-time update here,maybe my office computer is too slow,or maybe it is the issue with IE6.
- Steve Chou
Now it is working,and it is awesome...
- Steve Chou
Also, why no list of accumulated Likes? And I miss the More button. (As you can tell, I'm completely addicted.)
- j1m
Mine doesn't seem to be updating... is it possible it can only handle a couple of feeds at a time. The room I'm embedding probably has 3 or 4 dozen feeds. I know it's gotta update more often than once an hour. Ugh.
- Patrickometry
This is a good point. Not only was McCain unable to act as a leader in bringing the Republicans together, he voted one way and 2/3 of his own party voted another way. I.e. McCain doesnt represent his party, and failed to lead and unite. Oh yea, and then he went on to blame the democrats.
- Andrew Baron
of course he does...It must be McCain or Bush's fault right? Wrong....Government is failing us as it has been for many years. They haven't looked after our best interest instead they just keep feeding the greed machines.
- David Ward
Its not his fault per say, because he put himself in this position, but Matthews has a point. McCain failed to unite his party.
- Andrew Baron
matthews getting tough. i'm surprised by his take
- Cee Bee
McCain didn't vote? When did McCain join the HoR? Also, it goes without saying that not only was Obama unable to act as a leader in bringing the Democrats together, he, along with house leadership, supported one way and 40% of their own party voted another way. I.e. Obama doesnt represent his party, and failed to lead and unite.
- Ben Jackson
BTW, Chris Matthews voted for George Bush in 2000.
- Andrew Baron
Chris is a poor journalist and hasn't done his homework here.
- Paul W. Swansen
@Paul That says a lot. Allow me: The unicorns are white and the sky is turning, 'O.
- Andrew Baron
Ben - The Dems delivered about 2/3rds of their group. The Republicans delivered 1/3rd. The idea that Republicans voted against national interest because of a speech is a joke. McCain and Bohner (sp?) couldn't deliver the votes and the market tanked. This is a fact.
- Andrew
It's not McCain's job to unite the Republican party. His job is to what is best for the American people. They all need to forget about party lines and just do the right thing, whatever that may be.
- David Ward
@Andrew, 60% is less then 2/3s, also about 12 people changed their vote because of Pelosi's whinefest. The rest were against this bill from the beginning. Always were. *Both* sides of the house knew it was a fragile coalition, and democrats decided to go all political. There are a lot of people (from both sides of the aisle) that deserve blame. McCain isn't one of them, technically, neither is Obama.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
@Ben, then why is McCain blaming Obama for the bailout?
- Andrew Baron
@David "It's not McCain's job to unite the Republican party." Yes it is.
- Andrew Baron
Ben - You really think that 12 Congressmen said "Well I was going to do what I believe is right for the country, but Pelosi gave a mean speech. So I'm voting against my best judgement now. That will teach her!" It just isn't plausible to me.
- Andrew
@Andrew We *are* talking about CongressCritters. It was likely more along the lines of "I didn't want to vote for this in the first place. @#$%@#$ this."
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Do you honestly think those 12 thought this vote was 'right for the country' or in 'their best judgement' in the first place? They had their arms twisted and were going along grudgingly until Pelosi decided to be a partisan first, leader second.
- Andrew Leyden
If you're trying to cozy up to people who dislike you, don't give them an excuse to punch you.
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
David, while I agree its not McCain's job, he sauntered into town like cowboy George, and republicans were giving him credit for putting things together. "Thank God John came back.” — Sen. Lindsey Graham. It falls apart, and suddenly its Obama's fault. Chris Matthews is spot on with his analysis. Neither deserves blame in this issue, and only one candidate is pointing the finger.
- jcunwired
Fact is that the Republicans didn't like what was or wasn't in the bill such as the power it would give to BK judges to lower mortgage balances at will. They want more oversight, not less. If it's McCain's fault then it's Obama's fault as well. Both parties need to put politics aside and come to a resolution.
- David Ward
Obama didn't parachute in as the great savior to the economy though, now did he?
- jcunwired
The NYTimes says "The vote was a catastrophic political defeat for President Bush, who tried to muster national support for a recovery plan in a televised address last Wednesday, then lobbied wavering Republican legislators in intensely personal telephone calls on Monday morning." http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
- Andrew Baron
David - I thought they cut out the authority to Bankruptcy Judges in order to bring the Republicans in.
- Andrew