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Eric Rice posted a link

Techdirt: So Much Hate For Microsoft's Seinfeld/Gates Buddy Ad

September 6 at 10:06 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

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This dude is spot ON. People gotta get a hobby if the Microsoft ad bugs them THAT MUCH. I'm seriously, go outside, have some sex, stop being so *offended* at famous people doing an ad. - Eric Rice via Bookmarklet

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Microsoft hate has always fascinated me. Especially from people who don't even use their products. It's a funny little social pathology that some enterprising grad student could do a dissertation on, I'm sure. - Sprague D

I thought the ad was mildly amusing, and would be thrilled if Microsoft made an "easy as cake" operating system. I'm not holding my breath or anything, but as far as the ad goes, I thought it was, you know, a TV ad. - Jason Wehmhoener

+! Sprague. "What are you researching?" "Why People hate Microsoft" "I hate you" - Yuvi

Yuvi, you're in college now, you should do the research! - Sprague D

I find the ad quite unobjectionable, but if you wanna research Microsoft-haters, I'll happily expand on the topic at you for a few hours. And no, I don't think the root has to do with predatory monopoly practices, or with the stability or speed of Windows or their other software. - ⓞnor

@Sprague - Well, you don't quite understand Indian colleges yet - they're basically an extension of high school without uniforms and bigger books. - Yuvi

I see many of colleagues hate microsoft because os crashes sometimes because of all the wicked software they install and all the legacy issues, and they do not know how microsoft changed this world with simple usable os for everyone.... - sirish

Eric....LOL - Ruth Ferguson

Which world was the one with a simple usable OS for everyone? Are you talking about TRS-DOS? - ⓞnor

Some people bash Microsoft and think they are so original and personal... These days it takes guts to say to love MS/their products ;) (and if you admit it, then you are a shill that has no right to live) - Jemm

I draw analogies to cars where there are a) A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM and b) lots of fanboy rivalry. I can only think of very few things that pissed people off, example, the Pontiac Aztec, but only cuz it was ass ugly. ;) I bet asking non-techies about the ad and they'd dig it cuz oh i don't know, Seinfeld was like retardedly uber popular and the commercial is like a new franchise beginning? - Eric Rice

Aztec is growing on me. - Jay Tannenbaum

I haven't seen the ad myself, I seldom watch TV, and usually divert my attention elsewhere when the ads come on anyway. - Ian May

Heh, Ian, I don't think anyone saw it on tv, it's been on every blog I've seen and a half hundred dozen feeds ;) ... TV finds us now. Medium vs. Business = 2 different things :) - Eric Rice

Sarah Perez posted a message on Twitter

“can you please stop posting your delicious links to your blog? (you know who you are.) delicious splicing is OVER”

September 6 at 10:14 am - Link

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And Diggs and "Tweets for the day." Thanks! Edit: I see FriendFeed removed "post as reply to Twitter." :-( - Mark Trapp

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Elaborate? - mrshl

I post a daily collection of delicious links to my blog and my readers are consistently thanking me for them. I'm not so arrogant that I think my blog is the only one that should be read. I like to share the stage with other news in my blog's area of focus. - Douglas Karr via twhirl

I wholeheartedly agree! - Sean McGee

I used to do posts that highlighted the "best of" Google Reader shared items, but eventually figured if people wanted them, the shared feed had RSS. - Louis Gray

I use my Delicious bookmarks both as a placeholder and as a share of interesting links. They also represent who I am.. - Ernie Oporto

To clarify, I was just having a moment of irritation there. Who I am to tell you what to do with your blog? Do as you see fit. However, as a voracious RSS reader, I simply can't subscribe to any blogs that splice...I don't have the time. It just makes me sad because I see some good blogs doing still doing this...I don't want to have to unsub. but as of today, I am definitely making some changes about who stays in the reader. - Sarah Perez

And your threat of "unsubbing" is designed to do.... what? Sorry. But it's amusing when bloggers talk about unsubbing if demand X is not met. Unless you write the people you are unsubbing, they won't even know. And are even far less likely to care. - Allan Jenkins

I get where you're coming from Sarah. I sometimes feel the same way. But I've actually starting looking at what individuals are bookmarking on their blogs. Thomas Vander Wal comes across some nice enterprise 2.0 posts I don't see. - Hutch Carpenter

Pet peeve eh? yep. I got this one too. - Elliott Ng

@Allan - It's not a threat. As I clarified in my comment here, I'm really not trying to demand anything of anyone. I just had a moment of irritation and posted a tweet. So many of my "unread" items says "Links From..." *sigh*. I try to follow a lot of feeds, but it's too much to thoughtfully look though all the links posts. @Elliot pet peeve? Heck yeah! ;) - Sarah Perez

curious how sharing del.icio.us links in a blog is any different than google reader shared links. i think it's up to the publisher - and if you follow publishers through ff, you could just hide del.icio.us or j through them quickly if you ff thru greader. 2 cents. - Steve Long

I actually use my delicious links as separate blog posts into my Tumblr blog. Lots more people read that blog than read my FriendFeed. - mrshl

eve shot first posted a message

“Floating dogs”

September 6 at 8:04 am - Link

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:)) - Mahdi Ebrahimi

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it's the Rapture of the Canines - Nathan Rein

"Hoverdog 109, reporting. Approve landing on landing site 14. I repeat, approve landing on landing site 14. Over." - Mladen Srdić

other people count sheep. me, dogs. it's just how i roll. zzzzzzzz - Matt Musgrave

Steve McQueen's backup plan... - John Worthington

Cuteoverload is always the first email I check when I log on. I need the cuteness. - eve shot first

Chinese Buddhist Doggis? :) or perhaps big fans of Copperfield.. - Hayk Hakobyan

evangeline I love them too: btw do you know of any related blogs? - Ruth Ferguson

is this a real photo? that one dog doesn't look like he's going to clear the barbed wire. - rambn

Rambn, he doesn't make it over. You didn't see the next photo in the series, did you? :( :( :( - Rochelle

@Ruth: OMGKitty: http://retrolife.typepad.com/k..., Daily Bunny: http://dailybunny.tumblr.com, Daily Puppy: http://www.dailypuppy.com/ - eve shot first

@Rambn I'm worried about that one. He looks like he knows he's not going to make it over too! - eve shot first

Watch out lads, they've got PUPPIES!!!!! - Slippy Lane

Kyle Lacy posted a message

“I don't mind political debate. I don't mind Democrat viewpoints or Republican policy. I am pretty open minded in the long haul.. One thing I absolutely dislike.. is Keith Olbermann..”

September 2 at 8:07 pm - Link

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He was great on ESPN. - Rodfather

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yes.. that he was.. I can agree with you on that - Kyle Lacy

He's unwatchable, agreed, his pitch is too extreme. MSNBC has gone waaaay too far with him. - Marko "Bon" Bon

I have seen him in clips and he was entertaining, but never tried to watch a whole show. - RAHwsomeSHEENsauce™

i have to say i like keith myself - (jeff)isageek

He is entertaining I'll give him that - Kyle Lacy

I always thought Keith was a tool after he got his little gig during football season, "Worst Person in the NFL" and gave it to himself the very first week. Like anyone watching the NFL cares about Keith Olbermann. - Shawn Farner

I love how he rails on conservatives. He seems to take great pride in ripping stupid people a new @$$h06e.. By stupid I mean cheaters and stealers. Usually corporate or political sector. - Larry Kless

MSNBC did a surprising good job with coverage of Gustav (Of course, parent company NBC is in the process of buying the weather channel :) Beyond that, I'm seriously surprised they still exist at all. - Charlie Anzman

If he were on Friendfeed, I'd block him. Yeah, that's right, I'd BLOCK YA, OLBERMANN! - Pete Delucchi

I like Keith but he's gotten a bit big for his britches thinking he alone can be the rebuttal to the right (Rush, Bill O.). Tone it back Keith. Take it down a notch. - AJ Kohn

articulate, wonder how he would read as opposed to listened too... something smarmy holier than thou in the delivery, but i only see him on youtube clips - Gregory Lent

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whooooo!!! Skating Rink jam ftw! - Anna Haro

Ruth Ferguson posted a link

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant | Reuters

September 1 at 9:17 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

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"Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way." - Ruth Ferguson via Bookmarklet

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too lazy to get up and get the remote but I can imagine CNN must be in a tizzy. Wonder how Fox will handle this. I am not passing judgment b/c I believe that is God's place: but how does the religious right feel now? I imagine this will be spun as another pro-life testimony I guess. - Ruth Ferguson

It will be spun to say how admirable it is that she did the responsible thing and did not choose abortion and the daughter is not running for public office, her mother is. Oh and how low the "leftie liberals" are sinking to attack such a nice family. - Trish R

It would also show the Democrats own the "Dirty Politics" crown... - Kevin Cearns

@Kevin, Yeah, the Democrats are so evil at rumermongering, especially with that crazy Muslim terrorist Obama running for President. Palin had no problem putting her children in the eyes of the media when she was discussing her son who enlisted in the military last year on 9/11. Now that it's being reported that she has an unwed, pregnant daughter, she wants her family's privacy respected? - Trish R

wonder who's going to take care of the babies, since "mom" tends to go back to work the next day. p.s. it's not impossible to have a baby in april and be a few months pregnant by september, especially if you're fudging on how pregnant. p.p.p.s. the 'grandmother' rumor was likely stared by the gop knowing they could come back with bristol's current pregnancy. - jeneane 'This One' sessum

Gimme a break, guys. What happened to all the ass kissers saying private life is private when Clinton was getting BJs in the Oval Office. OR Gore's son getting nabbed for drugs and DUI. Isn't there a limit to what will be said for political reasons? - David Risley

I'm with David. It's embarrassing for the left to participate in these conspiracy theories. - Andrew Burd

Politics skew the truth - David Ward

so she's pregnant again, how does this dispute the original rumor of faked pregnancy? - Casey

according to the article: "The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said." why does Obama need to get sucked into this? that's a low blow. it came from blogs not the Obama camp. that's a subtle pot shot at the Obama campaign. jeesh. - ~C4Chaos

Thanks for reminding us Jeneane, how caring and focused a typical liberal can be...the evil of the DemAttackMachine will not die! - Trevor Carpenter

Andrew Baron posted a link

Sarah Palin might be Psycho

August 31 at 10:24 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

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From March 9th, 2008 Bristol Palin (far right) appears pregnant in this picture but her mom (GOP VP hopeful) claimed the baby was her own. Why would anyone go this far? Perhaps because Mom is so religious and such an extremist that she is unwilling to accept that her own daughter had sex at such a young age, without protection, out of wedlock and was thus unable to justify having an abortion. - Andrew Baron via Bookmarklet

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Bias. BS. Hide. - Mike Lewis

From one publication: "According to comments from classmates and other members of the community, Bristol Palin was out of school during what would have been the last trimester of the governor's pregnany due to a bad case of mono. A case so severe, according to the Palin family, Bristol missed nearly 5 months of school." - http://www.postchronicle.com/n... - Andrew Baron

She does look pregnant - but that seems pretty effin' out there... - George Smith

I agree Mike. Low blow. - Mattb4rd

Worst. Vetting. Ever. - Pete Delucchi

I don't know. I feel like if they went to such great lengths to cover it up, they wouldn't have let their daughter be photographed in ANY way during her pregnancy. But it's a very odd story.... - Veronica

Very odd indeed. - Tsega Dinka

I just can't believe this is true. I don't like Palin's politics but ... this seems whackadoodle. - AJ Kohn

Very interesting! Will be interesting to see how this story develops. - Jeff P. Henderson

What petty little people you are. Instead of coming up with a real argument you use character assassination and unsubstantiated drivel written on the Daily Kos blog. - Chris Mayer

If you want left-leaning comments on the story, they are here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/... (I am not endorsing this theory) - Louis Gray

Not saying I think this is true or not, but you guys should realize that this is definitely not as "whacko" as one might think for families with certain beliefs. Even moreso for a family in the public eye. - RAHwsomeSHEENsauce™

people should be checking their skeletons in their closets before condeming *anyone* for what they have done in their personal life. Regardless of the fact that she is now in the public eye her beliefs - right or wrong - are her's. If you are going to find fault with the woman then do it based on her political career - as limited as it might be. - Steven Hodson

I would like to also state again that I understand this is a rumor and its an extremely far fetched one at that. But the story is so amazing due to several supposed facts or big 'ol coincidences. - Andrew Baron

Steven, this happened during her tenure as Governor of Alaska. - Ed Kohler via twhirl

So if true, will the child grow up not knowing his sister is actually his mom? - Rodfather

The real story is not the whacky rumor, but rather if how this baby is delivered is true, then she is a totally uncaring woman when it comes to having this child. She chose to fly when in a very late stage of pregnancy, which could have caused the premature delivery, she chose to go to the event after she was leaking amniotic fluid, she chose not to go to a Dr. after the event, but rather to get on another 8 hour flight with a stop, and then she drove to an out of the way hospital. Insane! - Brad Nickel

Oh, and now she's taking a job that will take all of her time away from her family and her new special needs baby. Hello? Family values? - Brad Nickel

Being as the baby has Down's Syndrome, and it's several orders of magnitude more likely in a 43 year old mother than a 16 year old, I'm thinking this is B.S., but hey, that's what people said about the National Enquirer stories about John Edwards last year. - Jason Carreira

Brad - "Since she has a chance to change the world it is ok to leave the family" Micheal Medvid. - Russellreno

ur pathetic... http://video.google.com/videop... Sara Palin is the best political decision in a century - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

Steven - when she is trading on the child to gain votes, it's not a personal issue any longer. Not that I particularly think much of the rumor in the first place. - Alix Whitmire

Wow, just reading up on the water breaking and then flying thing. I mean, it's medical, it's personal stuff. I wouldn't want *my* medical stuff dragged into the open. Yet ... it does seem rather reckless. I'm hoping we just don't know the whole story - maybe she did it all under doctor's orders. Maybe she *needed* to get to a specific doctor. All that said, I remember my Kaiser classes - water breaks - you get to the hospital ASAP. *sigh* - AJ Kohn

@Steven - Her career is based on those beliefs. - Brad Nickel

Sarah Palin Conspiracy right up there with 911Truth? keep it up lefties. We won't need to worry about McCain.... you are going to scare the American public so badly with your rumors that they will be ready to have Dick Cheney for president. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

Why would people need to make up rumors about someone like Palin? She is as well known outside of Alaska as I am. (she might have me beat out on looks though) - jerry

I'd rather ask my wife on substance - she recognizes pregnancy much better by external look than me... - silpol

If this nonsense is the best you can do in the way of criticism of Palin, then it proves she's a great pick for VP. - Charles LePage

Compare the discussion on this on Daily Kos with the discussion here on Friendfeed: hit-and-run opinions on FF; a thorough discussion and analysis of the facts and evidence on DK. I wonder: is there something about the format of FF which encourages shallow banter rather than in-depth discussions? Regarding the pregnancy: in my opinion it's the business of the family, not my business. But before dismissing the story too hastily, recall what just happened with John Edwards. Any way you cut it, this is a strange story. The much more important issue, of course, is John McCain's poor judgment in selecting a VP who is unqualified to serve as president. - Sean McBride

Oh, no, there's plenty of good policy things to criticize her for, as well as her experience, or lack thereof. - Jason Carreira

Come on now, she *does* or *did* praise Obama's energy plan. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com... - AJ Kohn

AJ -- making a speech and taking a long flight after one's water breaks, combined with all the other peculiar facts, doesn't prove anything -- but it sure does sound strange as hell. Perhaps there is a reasonable explanation. I've never heard of a similar situation before. - Sean McBride

BTW - I feel very sorry for Bristol. She certainly never asked to have her name dragged around like this. I don't like Palin's politics but lets keep our humanity. - AJ Kohn

Noah -- just think how crazy it would be to claim that the 9/11 anthrax attacks were a false flag attack which came from within the American government. Wait a minute: that's what the crazy conspiracy theorists at the FBI are claiming. - Sean McBride

I hate conspiracy theories. That said, as far as I've seen, the evidence lines up in a way that allows this to be possibly true. And I'm one of those odd libertarian types. I'll let the media dig into this. - Ben Parr

@Sean, I think it proves she has poor judgment whatever the reason she used for endangering her child's life. This is the woman that could be a heartbeat away.... Poor judgment by McCain and by her. One big bundle of irresponsibility. - Brad Nickel

Ben, you articulated my thoughts exactly. - Sarah Austin

That's really grasping at straws. Very silly. - Dave Roth

Personally, I think this would have to rank of the highest order of conspiracy to be true. Not even taking into account the sheer craziness of someone trying to go through with such a cover-up. Lastly, I don't know about where everyone else lives, but I see plenty of high school girls here that certainly have a similar look...and they ARE NOT pregnant. Just pudgy in the middle high school girls who don't know how to dress well enough to compliment their figures. - JA Castillo

Brad -- if the current published stories hold up about the speech and long plane flight which followed the breaking of water, not only did she display poor judgment -- she is reckless to the point of insanity. Yet one more of dozens of reasons why I couldn't possibly vote for her and McCain. - Sean McBride

How the heck does this give any credible information to the issues surrounding the election? Give me a break! I'm sick of this "because she's a Republican we can't like her" stuff - whatever happened to looking at the issues she supports and doesn't support, her reasoning behind them, and then criticizing in true analytical fashion if she's wrong. These guys are politicians - they can't afford to change their opinion. We can. - Jesse Stay

My wife says that from what it looks like (photos, etc) author is right about who had delivered baby. Also she said *too many* factors which should make her visibly pregnant were not, and hence IF she were pregnant at the time any _average_ woman with 2-3 deliveries experience near her (she is governor) would notice. That said, I think she will get share of female voters who gone trough similar or supportive for "mom covering daughter" scenario. - silpol

@Jesse: This is soap opera stuff. And I don't like Palin because of her politics, and her use of power as governor. However, politicians do change their opinion. Both candidates have done that. 'Flip-flopping' isn't necessarily bad. I'm okay if they stand up and say, I got it wrong before, I've learned. Has 8 years of 'admit no fault' inured us to this learning concept? I hope not. - AJ Kohn

AJ, that's an excellent response - I'm tired of the soap opera stuff. As an independant I'm trying to learn the facts - this stuff just makes the side that's promoting it look bad. (I would say the same thing if it were the Republicans attacking Biden in a similar manner) - Jesse Stay via twhirl

In another article on a related topic, her stance on abortion was pressed and apparently she believes that even someone who is raped, must have the child. This is a very extreme view for most people who are pro-life. Usually they feel there are certain situations that would make it morally okay to have an abortion. http://www.dailykos.com/storyo... - Andrew Baron

@Jesse: Well, each party has these nasty elements unfortunately. I personally feel the right is more vicious, but then again, I lean left so I could be biased. And because I'm pro-choice (particularly for rape and incest) and anti-gun Palin doesn't mesh with me right off the bat. The use of her power for the dairy plant and in the firing of Monegan and severance for Kopp all worry me. These things, coupled with her inexperience and McCain's age make me far too nervous. - AJ Kohn

The Amazing thing is Rush Limbaugh predicted exactly this kind of attack the day Palin was announced. Is he smarter than he gets credit for, or is the Left that predictable? - Robert Hafer

AJ, Andrew, those were both great responses - now we're getting down to the raw positions and where we can have an opinion on the subject. AJ, personally, I'm with you - I put it in just the opposite way though. I'm pro-life, except in the case of rape or abuse or extreme circumstance. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

Robert - I understand what you're saying, but his "predictions" were the same type of thing I'm critiquing these guys on. Let's stick to the raw issues, and stop the attacks and rumors. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

Wow, here daughter does look pregnant in those photos. - Mike Reynolds

Lefties are so damn predictable. Big tent my ass. - David Risley

@Sean - you keep walking right into the brick wall that is the "experience / qualification" issue, seemingly impervious to the damage it will do the Democrats. If McCain is a fool for selecting a running mate light on qualifications and experience, what does it say about the Presidential candidate with inarguably LESS experience and arguably FEWER qualifications for the highest office in the land. - Forrest Cox

And if I'm a Democrat, I find myself in a bit of a quandry if I choose to pay close attention to stories such as these about the opposition's VP candidate while ignoring the equally outlandish-but-seem's-to-bear-some-truth-type character assassination stories about my own Presidential pick (Wright, Ayers, etc., etc.). Remember how far the "murder lists" and similar Clinton-related urban legends got the Republicans? There ain't no gold in them thar hills m'friend. Only pain, for everyone involved. - Forrest Cox

Better to win on the battlefield of ideas - that goes for both sides. - Forrest Cox

My favorite part of this thread is the right winger who said "HIDE" as if that will make this all go away. The republicans would have had million dollar graphics spinning up on Faux News about this if it were a Democrat and all the facts they'd need to justify the decision would be third hand at best. I'm not saying this stuff should matter, but it ALWAYS matters when it's Democrats that are the "evil-doers." Republicans always want to shift to talk of "issues" when they prove the moral majority is neither! - ScottBourne

I read this yesterday, as much as it sounds far fetched, look at the pics of her at 7mths and 8 mths. Look at the flight she took from Texas to Alaska while allegedly leaking embryonic fluid. If this story isn't true, then she's borderline negligent in the actions she took while pregnant. - Duncan Riley

@Jesse: I would likely make a 'pro-life' decision myself but still think folks should have the right to choose. It does make me a little nutty when a pro-life proponent is against contraception eduction and gay adoption. Seems a bit cake-and-eat-it-too to me. - AJ Kohn

@Forrest: McCain has seniority and length of service. Experience is subjective. As Senator Obama sits on more committees then McCain, they have similar absent voting records if you factor in campaigning, and Obama has been quite active in sponsoring bills. - AJ Kohn

AJ, I agree - the whole "Pro-Life/Pro-Choice" issue isn't exactly cut and dry. I hate the terms, myself because it's as if there are only 2 positions to choose from. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

@AJ - Philosophically speaking this may not be the case, but in practice the notion that "experience" is purely subjective is patently absurd. If interpretation isn't ultimately subject to right & wrong, why all the fuss? The only time you try to interpret experience in purely subjective fashion is when you dislike associated objective evidence that would otherwise color your decision. To then try to present such a judgment in an objective manner gives us ridiculous statements like your comparison above. - Forrest Cox

It also explains a great deal about the left's infatuation with Obama. - Forrest Cox

so far, who knows? post-labor day papers will be interesting to read - Gregory Lent

@Forrest: Sorry. But it's not philosophical. There are plenty of folks who have more time on the job who clearly don't have more experience. Let's be clear, I'm giving McCain the tenure and seniority. For time served, he wins. But I believe many of us have personally had experiences where we've accumulated a wealth of experience in a short time. Perhaps you have not been so lucky. - AJ Kohn

@Jesse: Yes, it's a sticky issue. Folks like me who support the right to choose are often painted as anti-life. I struggle with the issue and, as I've said, likely wouldn't choose it myself. - AJ Kohn

@Forrest: BTW - I'll even give you that McCain has more 'experience'. I simply believe Obama has enough experience to be President and that his platform is the best one for this country. - AJ Kohn

What a biased load of BULLSHIT! If it was Obama's daughter or Biden's daughter, would you even THINK of posting such a wacko load of CRAP? I'm guessing not! I don't know who I'm voting for yet but it sure as hell ISN'T a child of the VP nominees - leave the girl alone! - Jeff Garlick

The Daily Kos case is looking more and more solid -- see the latest updates. I'm waiting now for the Palin camp to respond with evidence to shoot down the story -- this should be a very easy matter to clear up. A failure to respond will be interpreted by most people as confirmation of the truth of DK's charges. - Sean McBride

The Daily Kos story is probably true -- if it is not true, it should be easy for Sarah Palin to refute. - Sean McBride

Can I "hide" individual entries in beta.FriendFeed? - Jesse Stay

Right Wing Response: http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3... (The most important point: The picture is said to be from 2006, and it's hard to carry a baby for two years, unless you're an elephant) - Louis Gray

The story has already gone mainstream -- Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic: http://tinyurl.com/5ss2wv I'm surprised that quite a few people in this thread didn't immediately recognize that the Daily Kos story had legs -- the facts and reasoning were solid. Of course Palin can easily knock down the story by releasing the relevant medical records. - Sean McBride

Sean, if that were my daughter I wouldn't want to bring any more attention to the story and to my daughter. The story's ridiculous, unfounded, and I sincerely hope my evening news isn't spoiled with news like this. Now, is there a way to "hide" this article? This has been around too long. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

I'm sorry but no 72 year old men like McCain have the energy needed to run this country. Tell me when you saw a Fortune 500 company run out and hire a 72 year old CEO... and tell the shareholders about all the wonderful experience he has? - Indio Apache via twhirl

Jesse -- if the Palin camp doesn't produce medical records to refute the story within the next few days, it is probably going to go huge -- as big as the John Edwards story at least. Based on what I've read so far at Daily Kos, probably no refutation is available, I would prefer that the mainstream pay little attention to all stories of this nature, but I don't own and control the mainstream media. - Sean McBride

Sean, you don't have kids, do you? - Jesse Stay via twhirl

Jesse -- you are completely missing the point. I have kids. I wish stories like this received much less attention. But there is a good chance that this story is going to go huge in the MSM unless Palin is able to knock it down immediately with the relevant medical records. Take up your complaints with the MSM, not me. - Sean McBride

Its ugly, but the record shows the Republicans leading by far the race to the bottom in this dirty campaign. That's pretty common. What is news though is McCain's reckless pop decision without consulting anyone or doing a proper background check for skeleton's in Palin's closet. And this is the "experienced" candidate? Reckless, desperate, and amateurish is the word I'd use. - Indio Apache via twhirl

http://www.digitaljournal.com/... - Craig Eddy

If this rumor turns out to be false, I would like to personally apologize to Bristol for saying that she looks pregnant. But also, just wanted to note that there is some more info from Kos here that include more coincidences or possible arrows that point in the direction of this being true: http://www.dailykos.com/story/... - Andrew Baron

BTW, this is proaably *too much inoformation* but Sarah Palin says she eats "a healthy diet of wild Alaskan seafood, moose, caribou, and fresh fruit." She reportedly hunts the moose and caribou herself, too." - http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f... - Andrew Baron

I think it sounds delicious, but I'm probably in the minority here. ;) The question now becomes - who would win in a shooting match - Palin or Cheney? - Jesse Stay via twhirl

you people are on crack. AD HOMINAMINIMINUMINUMINATTI - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

OMG!! Bristol Palin is *currently* 5 months pregnant, according to the NYTimes! http://www.nytimes.com/reuters... - Andrew Baron

If the Reuters story is true, so much for the rumors. This is a stronger rebuttal to the rumors than official papers of any kind. - Sean McBride

@Sean, why is this a rebuttal? Why couldnt this be Bristol's second daughter? - Andrew Baron

Andrew - I guess the key issue is "five months." Everything hinges on the number of months. - Sean McBride

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“My son checked the "other" box today at school for race and was told that was unacceptable, he had to choose one. Should we be forced to choose a race when we don't belong to just one?”

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If it's unacceptable, why is it even on the form? The fact that it's there and available as an option means it's acceptable... - Stupid Emoo (aka Tina)

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Not according to his teacher, she told him he needed to pick one and that people are grouped according to the race of their mother. I had never heard that one before. - Trish R

WTF??? - Josh Haley

I'd take it to the principle and then school board, if I were you. The box is there ergo it's meant to be used. And grouped by their mother? Why are they grouping children by race anyways? - Stupid Emoo (aka Tina)

Absolutely unacceptable- especially as more and more people belong to more than one. I think that option "other" will disappear soon. Really it would be nice if the whole question was dropped. Why does it matter? - Abby Martin

@Tina That's what I wanted to know. What form was he filling out that asked that question anyway? - Trish R

He told her he was a mutt, but she didn't get the joke. LOL. - Trish R

we're grouping people by race at school? 1) i hope that's not the case and the teacher is just an idiot 2) SERIOUS WTF? - Morgan

This is an interesting issue. We could probably settle a lot of social problems by refusing to identify our racial group when the government asks us. - Chris Baskind

Find out what that form was for. It could very well be a violation of the equal protection clause, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.... - Mark Trapp

tangent - isn't it weird that we only have Male or Female when we're asked our sex. how does that make hermaphrodites feel? is sex really binary or did we just decide to construct it that way? it's not so neat and clean in nature. what's with our society and neat little check boxes? (i'm being dead serious) - Morgan

What state is that? I think that seriously violates racial protection laws we have in the US. They can group kids based on social economic status (SES) but not by race. - "Awesomesauce!" Scoble

They would have to re-do the database to support multiple fields, no? That's what the 'other' box is for, which I used to check all the time LOL - Mona N.

it is the stupid 'Affirmative Action' Jesse Jackson DNC 'Left' that wants it. Republicans want it gone. As a partial Sephardic Jew it always confused me. Am I Latino/Hispanic? - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

Oh hell no. If that happened to my son, you could bet that I would be at that school talking to his teacher the next day, and it wouldn't be pretty. - Andru Edwards

You should see what the Chinese are getting away with in South Africa with their Affirmative Action against 'WHITES'. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

my kids are biracial and i left it blank even though they said it was mandatory and i can only choose one. what a load. - Faboo Mama

Trish is in Texas. Mona, I love your solution. ;-) - Chris Baskind

Ya, I don't think "wookie" is a 'proper' field :\ - Mona N.

I often check "other," and then when prompted for more detail, I give "European-American." Usually does the trick... - Mark VandenBerg via twhirl

so tell me... what am I? My ancestry is very much from Spain and Brazil... but moved to New York in the 1500s. Am I a Latino, or can I add Jew as a race? - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

Is there a checkmark for Gypsy? or is that offensive to the Obama people as well? Post Racial President? Yeah right. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ

That is really dumb. Everybody needs to get with the program on this stuff. If you get really technical about it, many Americans are multi-racial (I bet half the people you know, black or white or Hispanic especially, are partly Native American. I am, too, and part white as well, but mostly black and with two mostly black parents, so I'm black.) If you have one parent of each "race", though, "other" should be an acceptable choice. That "mother's race" crap is some of the purest BS I've ever read. - Kamilah Gill

Morgan, I think you do raise a legitimate point. I've wondered that, too. I wonder how common hermaphrodites are. - Kamilah Gill

I wonder if the teacher is from Louisiana. - ha3rvey (That One)

I think leaving it blank is ideal- it's none of their business anyway. - Abby Martin

That teacher needs some retraining. - MiniMage

WTF... there is no "race" -- it's a made up concept - when will this insanity end? - Brian Sullivan

kamilah - i think it's just interesting how we as a western culture decide that things need to be nice and neat. black and white. check box for this and that. when in reality nature is a spectrum with sometimes very messy boundaries. i get that we need to order, but why do we marginalize people who don't fit cleanly in to the box. if you're a hermaphrodite and you look at those boxes 1) what do you check and 2) more importantly how terrible do you feel even though it's a normal biological occurrence? - Morgan

...and the same goes for race, class and other constructs we apply to people without an understanding of wtf we are doing (or more horrifying that we do know what we're doing). - Morgan

genetically race is not something fixed, but race does exist in people's minds. it's made up, but we can't ignore the effects that believing in it has on everybody. not to start an argument about something else, but race is a bit like a majority religion. you can choose not to believe in it, but since so many people around you insist on believing in it it still has an impact on you. - Kamilah Gill

I check "other" all the time. Depends on how I'm feeling at the moment. - RAHwsomeSHEENsauce™

kamilah - i agree with you 100%. i don't think its a question of not believing it - of course the idea of race is very real - it's just understanding that it's not an absolute truth rather a social construct created by humans with all of its very real ramifications - Morgan

Very sad, but not shocking. Great that he brought it to your attention. Are you planning to question the school? - Kim Mahan

In my genealogy files, I have plenty of gov't forms - going back a century or so - on which people wrote 'American' when asked for their race. - Pat Rice

That just shouldn't happen. Period. - Matt Hamilton

If the "other" box is unacceptable the don't provide it as an option... poor kid! refuse to participate and if they balk, then threaten to sue for discrimination... jerks. - Susan Beebe

My wife and I went through that with our first child. There was no option for biracial, other, or anything but the usual fare. We threatened to sue and call the US Dept of Ed Civ Rights office and left it blank. When my other child went to school three years later, you could check multiple boxes or other (I don't remember exactly, but you didn't have to check just one). - steplow is Steve

Even if there was a "biracial" option on a box, there are tons of combinations of biracial. The odd thing about this whole issue is that my son is completely comfortable with being biracial and has no problems at all talking about his heritage. It's other people that end up being the problem. - Trish R

um, why on earth was that unacceptable? how maddening! - edythe

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