Just incredible. No wonder they sell for 5000-10000 GBP.
- Will Higgins™
i wonder if the photographer has been in danger at any moment. i'm sure he used a really big lens, but still when you're out there in the elements like that it could be a potentially dangerous situation
- Cee Bee
Steve, I love that I made a cameo in your post. I only wish my short URL was more inspired.
- Scott Gatz
Finally! Yay! Wish Twitter had this a long time ago. That's the reason I never use full links that get converted. I change the www. to w3 .website.com and that way everyone can see the full link still and copy and paste it if they want to view the site. I got annoyed at clicking on duplicate TinyURLs.
- Adam
I use the greasemonkey script tinyurl-ru at http://kapranoff.ru/friendf... but it only covers tinyurl.com and tinyurl.ru | Maybe we should do a community project that keeps updating that script with all those url-shorteners out there. | Alex, are you game?
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
Is this a feature that friendfeed removed? Because it's not working in Chrome.
- James Poling
I don't see any short URL's in FriendFeed anymore. all are automatically expanded.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
*gasp* Jandy, it's EVIL. Made in Charleston, and basically tastes like sweet tea with a hint of vodka. Dangerous stuff. Mixes well with lemonade and goes down way too smoothly...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, I want some of that NOW. My own homemade sweet tea with vodka will have to do.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Chinese food is good. The thing is, I cannot eat Chinese food more than twice a week. I get bored. Maybe it is only me? Hope you are having a great dinner.
- Ramkarthik
And that Chicken Katsu or Shoyu Chicken looks good!
- Christopher Harley
Christopher, I don't live in Portland, or in Oregon at all, so I don't go there regularly. But I've been there twice and enjoyed it a lot both times.
- Rochelle
Hell to the yeah! Chicken Katsu is why I live and breathe, dude!
- Josh Haley
Josh, is GOML a real one or you made that one? Seems I don't know many of these chat lingos.
- Ramkarthik
Their gumbo was mediocre when I went there, unfortunately.
- Alex Scoble
Oh, I'm sorry Rochelle, I live here and I'm a total EFFIN food snob!!!1!
- Christopher Harley
As long as you like Papa Haydn's, we're good to go, Christopher.
- Alex Scoble
Christopher, living in Portland and being a food snob seem like contradictions. :D
- Cristo
ADF your wingdings comment spurred my memory about that Font Conf vid :D
- Keith - @tsudo
BASE O2..hehe nah. Probably Georgia for serif, DIN for sans-serif. Non Generic: Dragonwick :D
- Mo Kargas
8pt Verdana/Tahoma and Fixedsys too (ahh mIRC)
- nouhad
I like Tahoma since that is what I use for headlines in sales copy. It is so attention creating.
- Ramkarthik
If you want a really geek submission you should get the Proggy Dina font. http://bit.ly/nqqxm (monospaced, slashed zero) great for terminals and text files
- Keith - @tsudo
At the risk of becoming a pariah for admitting this, I always had a fondness for Comic Sans. I never understood all the hate against it.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
I work with them, so there's too many to mention. Pretty much everything that came out from the pen of Adrian Frutiger, Hermann Zapf, Erik Spiekermann is a great font to me. And, of course, Helvetica, and COMIC SANS! ;) (There's a typography room on FF that you may want to check out: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... )
- dario
I think it would be cool if friendfeed asked if you really wanted to repost a link that had already been posted by anyone else...prompt you with something like "Perhaps you weren't aware, but someone already posted a thread with this link, would you like us to bring you to that thread instead so you can comment and or like it?"
I would hate it to be just "somebody else" -- I suspect lots of the same links are posted to different groups but don't cause seeing the same link over and over again -- which I think is what it would be good to prevent. Maybe it could occur based on some algorithm -- posted by someone you subscribe to and potentially seen by some percentage 50? maybe of people that subscribe to you.
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah, Brian, I agree, it shouldn't be mandatory and perhaps it is based on people that you are subscribed to or are in your FOAF sphere, but it would still be good to know, allowing a friendfeeder to make an informed choice.
- Alex Scoble
Good idea. It shouldn't be too difficult.
- Rutger Blom
I like the concept but not for all of FriendFeed. Just tell me about duplicates in my little corner please.
- Seek Ground
SG, I would agree. If it's a duplicate in my "Subscription Circle", I don't want to send it out AGAIN. I've seen a number of posts repeat each other. Some by days, some by minutes.
- CAJ, somewhere else
But what would be interesting then is to see how many people shared the same link. Good test for popularity of what you are writing for your FF audience.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
then it wouldn't be any fun pointing out that you already posted the item like, months ago to the person.
- Josh Haley
Mike, I am now aborting our love child. No, I don't want Digg! Digg sucks. I want friendfeed to have the feature I described above which would not suck and which would increase the awesomeness of friendfeed by 5%!
- Alex Scoble
Josh likes the bitch slap approach.
- Morgan Haley
Yeah this debate is interesting! It's a kind of respect towards the others FFers, but on the other hand, resharing links also enables to share the items for his own circle of friends who do not automatically see your likes.
- Stanislas Jourdan
I thought they'd tried a "similar items from..." before, no? Now all that's left is the similar items when someone's feed brings in multiple references to the same item.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Now to all of us : do we have to share it or not ;-) ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: Why would you? Just comment on/like an existing entry. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
that was my point ;-) But this is so great that I want to share this to my friends who may not come here. Would you mind if I reshare it ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
I'd rather if the reshare option credited the original poster.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
If they were to do that, wouldn't it cause the number of comments to sky rocket? I don't know if I'd have the stamina to read that many comments all the time. Could I filter the comments to include only my friends/contacts?
- Damond Nollan
Damond...good point. Didn't think of that unintended consequence.
- Alex Scoble
Good one Alex. I literally just did then deleted it.
- Charlie Anzman
But... But... If I can not choose from the 47 different Google Reader posts of the newest iPhone fart app you are limiting my civil right!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
I'm fine with that, Mark, because that's a stupid right.
- Alex Scoble
Good idea a friendfeed gentleman's code of conduct however what about those of the southern hemisphere? There posts are new to them
- sofarsoShawn
I like the option part and the in my little corner of FF part. oh...and the limiting Mark's stupid right part. heheh.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I often reshare a link from Google reader because a heck of a lot more of my friend use Reader than friendfeed. (When asked why not friend feed, their response was --- it's kinda redundant)
- Piaw Na
The Feedly extension does this to some extent, too. It pulls in FF convos to items you read in Feedly, and has a little floaty thing on every site that tells you if its been posted on digg or FF before (it's not always right, though). You can one-click search for the item on FF as well from the floaty thing, but it searches all of FF. I usually end up narrowing the search to my subscriptions, because I don't care if I double-post some random person's GReader share with my awesome bookmarklet share. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yeah, well it wouldn't mark a native friendfeed post as being the same as what's coming through greader anyhow. It should (RIGHTLY) give friendfeed native posts priority.
- Alex Scoble
Love the idea of reducing duplicates... sometimes I don't bother posting stuff thinking some one is bound to have shared it already so no need for more noise. But a prompt would be great.
- Sally Church
I don't think it's a good idea. A major reason why FriendFeed is not Reddit is because there are actually multiple clusters of people who associate with each other by choice, rather than one giant one. That's fundamental to the design and is as much the reason why the conversations are good quality as is the so-called 'moderation'. I don't just want to join a conversation about a link - I want to join a conversation with people who *I* think are diverse and intelligent, and I do so by getting my links...
- Robin Barooah
...by subscribing to people who have hosted such discussions before. The so called 'trolls' or just people who I don't understand or benefit from, can associate with people they like and not me and so the community automatically segments itself into groupings that people enjoy.
- Robin Barooah
dups don't bother me. now with things going so much faster, dup checking would slow things down. peeps just need to get over it being "rude" in some way.
- BEX
Now you are just being rude, BEX. ;)
- Alex Scoble
I would enjoy that Alex. It's very Digg, but useful in keeping the noise down here.
- Brandon Mendelson
(Jandy - thanks for the feedly feedback. we will make "search my network only" a preference)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
80,000 likes and comments on one post? Don't know if that would add or subtract to the value of the information. Smaller groups of people find each other and coalesce around info they like or wish to comment on. Forcing everyone to meet at the same place might just take away the intimate feel of FriendFeed and turn it into MassFeed. Not sure about this idea.
- Patrickometry
I don't know if I would like it or not... I think an option would be good.
- Evan Travers
I think we just need a link to the others persons that shared the item (for the reasons given by Patrick and Robin)
- Stanislas Jourdan
I think a simple warning to say this post already appears in this or these feeds (with links to those posts so you can comment/like) would be most welcome. FF must be able to do this as the dup detector already does this (the only difference is it does it after posting). Kinda like a Digg duplicate detector. I'd love this!
- Kol Tregaskes
It worked for Digg. It's a good idea, plus it will prevent anyone from yelling "DUPE!".
- Matthew
I'd like it if that link went in my feed too, effectively giving it a bump, but yeah, great idea.
- Chris Nixon
I think the solution isn't too let people know that they are reposting links, but to group similar stories together like Google News or TechMeme with one massive conversation at the top. Yesterday, I wanted to find the FF conversation for the crazy pastor who got beaten by the cops. A quick FF search of his name yielded over 500 links between digg, delicious and tweets. Eventually I found the only one with a conversation attached, but it took way to much searching.
- Davis Freeberg
Another issue arises when different news networks report on the same story: the content is the same but the sources are completely different ie washingtonpost.com vs CNN
- sofarsoShawn
I use either feedly or ffcheck before posting if I see that something has already been posted by someone directly on FF and received comments and likes I don't post it. If I think it is something important and worthwhile I can bump the original entry by adding a comment. Obviously there is a huge amount of duplication with news channel and blogs reporting the same stories but I think there should be inbuilt ways not to see the same things from the same source over and over again.
- M F
yes, i do not say much in case it has been done before, and i missed it.
- Tatty Gibson
Alex: What's the exact problem here? You want to see _every_ comment by anyone posted about a particular link on FF? Or your want to not see the same link posted multiple times in your own feed? I have a feeling that there's a real, solvable problem, but we're missing it because we're focussing on one proposed solution. Feel like starting a new thread?
- Robin Barooah
I've already done a very good job of laying out the problem and the solution. You can feel free to start a new thread for a problem that you have and give your proposed solution.
- Alex Scoble
I agree with bex and most certainly don't think that something that worked for digg should become the punchlist for friendfeed - I use search on title to find similar posts and comment there if makes sense
- mike "glemak" dunn
Great idea for a new feature, I think it would also be worthwhile if FF told you the date that such a link was last shared, and who it was that shared it.
- Garin Kilpatrick
This would be an awesome feature - similar to Diggs in a way and it improved Digg alot by its implementation imo
- Nicholas James
Alex: I've read all of your comments in this thread and I don't see you state what problem you're solving. You say that you'd like the feature of being able to see if someone else has already posted a link so that you can comment there instead of reposting - and you explore this idea. You say clearly *what* you want, but you don't explain why. And honestly, I have no interest in starting my own thread about this, but I am interested in knowing what you are thinking.
- Robin Barooah
Good idea but if I want to post a link that a Scoble had already posted, any discussion I wanted to have with my friends on it would get lost in your discussion. The option should be their but opt in only.
- CJPhoto
That's why it would be voluntary on whether you still post or not, but everyone should be notified that they are about to repost.
- Alex Scoble
This is a noticeable problem when you use Feedly (and also partially solved by it, as I believe someone here has pointed out). Every news item has several different FriendFeed posts related to it :-(
- Jalada
One of the time consuming aspects of FriendFeed involves categorizing people into lists: if you get past a few basic lists (like, perhaps, a list for people you don’t want to have on your home feed), you can easily spend a good portion of time just moving people around. But I want to be able to use topical lists: if I want to view all my subscriptions that share science fiction stuff, I can just look at the list. To do this on my own would take a lot of time, so I’m asking you guys what you’d categorize yourself as, given a specific set of topics. Click through to see the list, and leave a comment here with your topical interests!
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
I've cultivated a general sense of lazyness. :) All my FF subs in are in my home feed. If someone's not worth following there, I unsub. I want to spend the minimum amount of time managing the infrastructure, and most of my time in the content.
- mikepk
like me mikapk, I do that myself at the mo.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
uh lets not be silly...what you look for is tags,...lets wait till FF gets them
- Chris Hofmann
I think mine would be "useless knowledge" or "interesting pictures". At least, I hope they are interesting.
- Yolanda
I'm mainly interested in finding out what people I'm subscribed to would categorize themselves, given the list of topics. Foregoing the use of lists isn't what I'm looking to do.
- Mark Trapp
Well I'd put myself in Entrepreneurs, Science, Development or Tech Beat (just cause I share a lot of tech stuff)... It's a question of what I share vs what I am.
- mikepk
Mike: in the land of FriendFeed, you're defined by what you share. Thanks for answering, though. :)
- Mark Trapp
Well your descriptions make me think a bit too "Writes regularly on tech news" I don't write on the news, generally, but I do share tech news. Entrepreneurs, I'm a startup founder, but do I qualify for "Runs a social media company or other notable company". We're working on the notable part. Probably thinking too hard on it. :)
- mikepk
Ahem. I would like to pretend that "Tech Beat" would be the list for me!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Mike, other people may use what people answer here for their own purposes, but at least for my own personal programme, the baseline is me: notability, for me, would be "have I heard of your company?" On FriendFeed, you don't seem to talk about your company in the way that say, Loic LeMeur does about Seesmic, or Paul Buchheit does about FriendFeed, so I wouldn't have put you on the list. But now that you've mentioned it: what is your company?
- Mark Trapp
And regarding the tech shares, it's a personal distinction, but I distinguish people who write for say, Mashable or VentureBeat, and people who share a lot of tech stuff. The former would be "tech beat," the latter would probably be "cabal." But really, it doesn't matter too much: since the only person implementing the lists would be me, if I disagree with how someone categorizes...
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- Mark Trapp
You can't typecast someone's stream at one point it'll be about coding at another a LOLcat ff allows for personality that way. If you're looking for strict subject matter you'll have to RSS official sources, however in regards to me ~ I'd be listed under genius
- sofarsoShawn
Categorizing people doesn't make nearly as much as sense as tagging posts. Individual people have multiple interests, especially on Friendfeed. I wish I could tag each of my posts, and create lists of tags rather than people. The way I currently use lists is: Home Feed (everything), and Favs. That's it.
- Jason Wehmhoener
sofaroshawn, Jason, and Chris: I wish FriendFeed had keyword filtering and tagging, I really do. I've been harping about it for months. However, failing that, I have found that many people do gravitate towards certain topics. Robert Scoble, for example, isn't sharing stories about sexuality or what happened on House last week. Yes, people post on a variety of things, and Robert Scoble,...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark, the company is called Grazr. We've evolved two products over time, Grazr being an OPML browser / feed widget / topical reading list hosting service, and VibeMetrix, which is a social media marketing program. We've got a third product we're beta testing now, an add-on for Google alerts to allow finer grained filtering / seo data / and control of them.
- mikepk
They seem disconnected, but all are based on our relatively large feed database and feed processing engine.
- mikepk
@Mark - You can put me in Cabal, Comedy, Comics, Development, Diarist, Entrepreneurs, Food, Gaming, Pictures, Politics, Pollster, Science Fiction, Sex, Silly, Tech Beat, TV/Movies, and Usability - I believe I've posted as all of those "types" here at various times... Sorry my interests are so varied. :)
- Nathan Chase
@Nathan Done, I was looking for someone to round out my Cabal list, now all I need is an expert on goldfish, anyone know of one?
- sofarsoShawn
I could list the subjects I post but it would cover most of those you have in your table. Variety is the spice of life. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't see "noisy asshole" on that list. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'd need to be in a "wannabe geek with hippy tendencies" list
- Nicola Quinn
Mike: sweet, thanks for the description. Dan, thanks for your response. Nathan, Kol, et al: yeah, I get it, you don't categorize people or yourself, but that's not particularly interesting or helpful given my programme. Everyone isn't Da Vinci: people specialize and gravitate towards specific interests. People would be rather dull if they talked about and were interested in everything...
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- Mark Trapp
tech geek, photoshop artist, internationally published poet.
- Phil Boiarski
I tend to agree with Jason. Tagging posts would be a very interesting feature of friendfeed instead of/in addition to listing people. Even though most people might have a basic behavioral usage of friendfeed I think many of us use it very much depending on our mood.
- Peter Efland
You'll have to put me in the category of soup. I can't really pick out only 1 thing. That would leave too much still there and not considered. And I go through phases, too. Current phase is a lot of software & music related stuff. Reason: about to head into a highly productive stretch with a lot of coding. Existing software gives me ideas, and lots of background music will be needed while I am working.
- April Russo (app103)
i'd say soup, but can't decide which flavor.
- Karim
I would say "tech", but too bad we can't someone tag ourselves for automatic list created by FF itself...that would be sweet.
- Sarah Perez
Now that's a cool idea, Sarah. Given the feedback in this post, however, I wonder how much value it would have if people tag themselves with everything. Now, if it were completely automated, and FriendFeed came up with user tags automatically for people, that might make it more honest all around.
- Mark Trapp
I cannot be categorize nor tagged, I am in an aristocratic class of itself. Maybe "landed gentry" would suffice?
- sofarsoShawn
But the traffic stats say otherwise.... Do they have found a good interaction model???
- Meryn Stol
It is either that I don't understand the features in plaxo or compete.com has become like alexa in giving the traffic stats.
- Ramkarthik
Plaxo is much better known in business. It has been around longer and started out more like a competitor to LinkedIn. I would say people at the office are 10 to 1 going to know Plaxo vs. FriendFeed, and many use it for content sync. On the flip side, the average age of my Plaxo connections is about 20 years older than my FriendFeed connections. Boy I have a lot of ugly Plaxo contacts! :-)
- Louis Gray
And the traffic reported by Compete.com *way* undercounts Plaxo, where some 40% of our traffic comes from outside the U.S. Re: the differences between the two. One thing that's interesting is that FriendFeed is very popular with leading bloggers, who love its public discovery and discourse. I think of that stuff as the "tip of the social media iceberg". Plaxo is focused on the private sharing and conversations, which, I believe, is ultimately the much bigger, more mainstream prize.
- John McCrea
Thx for sharing. It could be viewed by mainstream folks not immersed in social media as a visual representation of how noisy and confusing it is for some of us. I know I'm constantly thinking and feeling this way.
- B2B Specialist
Good example of "Red Hat" thinking over-powering the other five.
- John Coslovich
"Whiteboard sketch about the internet, the future of social media, the opportunitys and goals of communities." (birgerking)
- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
Scoble doesn't need any intervention, and you've yet to reach his level of comments and likes. I don't think you've anything to worry about. :)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'm averaging about 1400 likes a month since joining FF back in July.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
You will know it is time for an intervention when someone blogs about you needing an intervention. ;)
- Martha
Chris, I have way more likes and comments than Scoble, so I am definitely due for "intervention" (Scoble has 6,950 comments / 13,284 likes). I do NOT want someone to blog about it though! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Wow. Well, that's the last time I assume something (yeah, right), but I had always thought that Scoble was #1, FriendFeed-wide, for comments and likes.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Hey Susan, you got that backwards. Still you have more then him, but you did get that backwards.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Chris - Scoble is the #1 followed guy on the planet, and with good reason - he rocks FriendFeed, twitter, his blog, tech landscape and the internet!
- Susan Beebe
Hey at least Arrington can't whine that my blog is suffering from FF, cause I don't have a blog yet! hahahah ... FF is my mini-blog!
- Susan Beebe
Wow! I cannot imagine those numbers. I'm at 117 comments and 60 likes but I have been using FF properly only for the past three days.
- Ramkarthik
Wow! That's uber cool! I haven't been a prolific FF user! *Calls herself a Slacker* Sigh!
- rampantheart
I've started a conversations on the pros and cons of FF. If you want to see what people are say or want to contribute here's the link: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- B2B Specialist
@Susan I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what MA says about Twitter or Friendfeed. He only uses them as dumpsters. How would he even know if there is any value to be had?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
have to change ya name to susan BizzyBEE. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
This is one of my new year resolutions. Being consistent in blogging is pretty tough for me considering the fact that I spend around 8 hours in college and 8 hours sleeping. :)
- Ramkarthik
Same here, got to start sometime this week.
- Steven Cains
Perhaps John McCrea, David Recordon, Beach, Stowe Boyd thinking of others.
- Mark Krynsky
Louis Gray, GuyK, You, Dave Winer, David Weinberger, Doc Searles, Marc Canter, Chris Brogan, Fred Wilson, Susan Beebe, Hugh MacLeod, Loic Le Meur, Leo Laporte, Wayne Sutton, Thomas Hawk, Laura Fitton, Howard Rheingold and the ever loving Michael Arrington.
- Thomas Power
Karoli: Evan P of Identi.ca would be good, yes. This will be in San Francisco on January 21st.
- Robert Scoble
the guys from Tweetdeck. it seems they know what they're doing.
- Orli Yakuel
Bill: Guy would be awesome, he certainly sees the marketing potential of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
The head of Obama's Internet-campaigning team and their government on the internet initiative.
- Bill Romanos
Bill: I seriously doubt anyone from Obama's team will be available that week. But one can dream! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some hot geek chicks .. Ijustine , Amber MacArthur ... all these geek events are always sausage partys
- johnpiercy
Sounds like a great event. Wondering if you'd be interested in getting a twitter tattoo for charity, Robert? Let's say, at the upcoming first-ever SF Twestival? We could webcast that! And take donations via twitter for WaterCharity.org while we do it! Big announcement on Monday, by the way but keep your calendar free Janary 22nd...
- alison potvin
Jeez, what's with all the A-listers? How about people who are really down in the muck making things work? I nominate Eric Marcoullier, founder of Gnip.
- Carter Rabasa
If you offer some broccoli, I bet Dave Winer would show up ;-)
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Gnip folks for sure... Would love to meet folks who could take my experiments retweetradar.com and spy.appspot.com to the next level.
- Ben Hedrington
Bill: have you seen ANYTHING about second life here or on Twitter lately? I haven't. Until I do that's a separate event. John: Eric and Sergei would be fun but I don't think would really add to this conversation. I'll probably see them for something in Davos a week later though.
- Robert Scoble
Good question to ponder...as a relative newbie to this stuff, i'll do some research and volunteer a POV if called. Lots to digest in SM, for an ADD type, can be a stretch...
- Gregg
Since this is about the real time web only comments in the first 20 minutes count right? ;)
- Ben Hedrington
Mr Scoble - Jason Goldberg of Social Median - just acquired by Xing, came into the space and added enhancements to the site very fast.
- shayne catrett
Haven't seen anything on Second-Life. You're right. It may be a separate conf. But real-time collaboration could be an issue for your conference. See this link and click on the first link. [real-time collaborative spaces in intelligence community (A-SpaceX), etc. Again, it may be a bit off in the future or another conf. but check this out.: http://www.google.com/search...
- Bill Romanos
shayne: oh, yeah, jason definitely should be there. So should Drew Olanoff of strands.
- Robert Scoble
How about VC folks like Fred Wilson, Albert Wenger, etc...Esther Dyson.
- Julie Matic
Julie: I'd rather the VC types be a separate event. But I'd love to have Fred, Albert, Esther, and others in this space there.
- Robert Scoble
Real time Web event! Sounds great. Let me think about the players Robert.
- Drew Lucas
I'll second Laura Fitton, and add Jyri Engström and Chris Messina - I'd love to come along too; we haven't had a chat in a while.
- Kevin Marks
How about somebody from the CIA? I thought about realtime when reading Suskind's book, The One-Percent Doctrine, where he describes how they first tapped into credit card info, but that was after the fact. They started getting somewhere with Al Quaeda money networks when they were able to dip into Western Union wire transfer and know when a cash transaction was in process... meet the recipient on the other end, bam.
- Amyloo
Kevin Marks: oh, yeah, I'm totally missing someone from Google on this. Good point!
- Robert Scoble
Amyloo some technology that was originally developed for the CIA will make it to the consumer space in 2009. But CIA stuff is outside the scope here. It would be very cool to get a demo of what they are doing, but they'd never show it in public. I think it's more likely to get an interview with Steve Jobs.
- Robert Scoble
Also, what about the rep from Obama camp that Tim OReilly alluded to in your part2 interview with Tim. Wish I could be there! This is what my Vision is about...agenda item: White Space utilization...Wi-Fi on steroids....@bcultral I am a Community Organizer :)
- bcultral
I like Amyloo's idea the best! If anyone can do it, the Scobelizer can.
- Web Pixie
a few more for thought: Geraci, Denton, Carr...
- Julie Matic
Kevin Kelly? Or how about somebody on the Ops side of the house, or GE CIO Gary Reiner, or an "internet of things" expert from UPS or FedEx
- Tom Funk
Robert, nope, they'd never come. But what really struck me about the CIA terrorist tracking practices was that it's such a great parallel to what stevegillmor has been trying to get across about track being post-data mining -- about catching people in the act being so much more valuable for marketers/governments than hearing about what the users/voters/marks did x hours or days later.
- Amyloo
I'd like to see someone from a big brand that is not playing in this space. We don't need to hear more from the people that get it. We need to hear why some still don't believe/are afraid of/can't justify it.
- Cory Hendrickson
Cory: most people have no clue what the real time web is. They barely have heard of Twitter. They might be on facebook but don't see that as real time yet and facebook isn't quite the web yet either thanks to its walled garden. I'd rather have a panel to talk about where these systems are going in 2009 first. Then a separate one where we talk about the marketing impact of these things with companies like Ford and Zappos. That's where that discussion would fit better.
- Robert Scoble
We may be nobodies but we are living a plan. My Architect for my Design SpokenWord.Tv Anton Prakash (he is doing big things with Kerner.com) @ephrontech me:@bcultral
- bcultral
Be kind of interesting to run the panel over Twitter.
- hadleystern
Definitely Guy. I loved your interview with him on Fast Company TV.
- Shaun Haney
Besides me? Are you moderating? Is there still bad blood between you and @TechCrunch? What's your goal? Just asking 25000 different people is going to get you roughly 25000 different names.... I liked the panel you had @Le Web.... Did someone already say @gapingvoid?
- Mike Shields
Mike: bad blood? We fight like brothers. Goal? 2009 is when the real time web really takes off. So, I want to hear what's coming next. Whether Steve Gillmor will get his track. How these islands will interroperate. Etc. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
Dustin Sallings, author of TWITSpy, Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, Evan Prodromeu - many of the people that were at BearHug Camp should be speaking. IMO they're the pioneers in this space. Then of course, FriendFeed, and Alex Payne from Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I agree on David Recordon - I would suggest him, and perhaps Mullenweg. The blogging space will be entering real time shortly as well. I would suggest Alex Payne over Evan Williams though - Alex understand the technology much better. Evan is all business speak, and really doesn't understand what's going on underneath.
- Jesse Stay
I don't think you've explained your goals (or maybe even what "real time web" is) for everyone here to understand. Some of the suggestions make no sense (Gary V?) but I think it's cos not everyone here understands well enough what you're trying to organize
- Ben Metcalfe
For variety - Include more immersive experiences as a representation of the real time web (a la Second Life and WOW et al.) perhaps some of the MMORG folks. Elon Lee at Fourth Wall Productions is a good idea....
- Joshua-Michele Ross
Oh, and my initial comment is also "not the same old people". No disrespect to anyone in particular but the you could assemble most of those people and have them talk about anything to do with the internet right now -- does that mean they're the thought leaders in real-time web? BUT then I wonder who is? Maybe the thought leaders really are just the same herd of people, and it's just that they're smart enough to start jumping onto the next meme for them to lead. But I'd like to see new people too...
- Ben Metcalfe
Sounds like fun! Would be great to hear from one of the Gnip guys about how their infrastructure tech will make the web more real time.
- David Recordon
Gaia Online folks - very interesting. From an asia perspective second life is a case study in what not to do. Also Tobin Lent from Punch Entertainment first mobile-online cross platform socializing network
- William Bao Bean
@scobleizer Mid January may be tough for me but would love to try to make it.
- Jason Goldberg
Not very sure what do you exactly mean by RT web, but if it is what I think of, I would suggest looking into some XMPP guys, some Adobe people, maybe Gnip also. I'd also suggest bringing tech guys and not biz cause even if this will impact biz it is imo a tech topic.
- Alex Popescu
Make sure you branch out from just the west coast / bay area crowd. There's lots of cool stuff happening in the rest of the world... Also, we'd be happy to have someone from HubSpot share some of the data from Twitter Grader and our State of the Twittersphere report.
- Mike Volpe
"Don't resist it! Let the anger and frustration wash over you, as your connection gets slower and slower. In the end it will make you stronger."
- Tyson Key
from Bookmarklet
I went from Time Warner to Comcast and miss Time Warner more than I ever thought.
- Nation Hahn
Hmm, I wonder if I can find any posts older than this one, given that my stream view seems to prematurely end at 30th Nov 2008, for what it's worth...
- Tyson Key
Tyson, if you search your feed older items will still appear, they're just not available if you're using the pagination links at the bottom of your feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Shame they don't have a search by date feature, unless I've just haven't came across it yet... Going to look now.
- Tyson Key
Nope, they don't appear to have one, from what I can see. I wonder if they'll get round to implementing one soon (although it's more of a "nice to have", and doesn't impact my FriendFeed experience that much).
- Tyson Key
Thanks though, Tina. I recall asking in the FriendFeed Feedback room earlier, now.
- Tyson Key
Seriously - I dont know why Americas service is so crap. I can get a 50MB from Virgin cable (if I would pay for it - about £30 - but 2MB is fine for me).
- laprensa66
@laprensa66 - Good point about Virgin Media, but that's if (and a big if at that), you can actually get their damned service where you live. I lived in one small town where the existing cable infrastructure was *removed* when Cable & Wireless (might have been NTL, but my memory is sketchy) ran it, and where I live now (another crappy small town also in North Yorkshire), I still couldn't get it if I wanted to. Yay monopolies. :(
- Tyson Key
@Dave - At first, looking that, seeing as I've only got UMTS with these folks: http://www.three.co.uk/Mobile_..., I thought "I'd kill for that, it sounds so much faster and probably more economical, at a glance", but having seen that they offer *6* speed tiers each misleadingly labelled "The Fastest. Period." (erm, "The Fastest" compared to what?), I thought "WTF?"...
- Tyson Key
Heh, I loved the way they said everything was "Ultimate Speed" or "Extreme Speed" - it really does make it sound like a scam, since how are they defining "Ultimate" or "Extreme"? Stupid buzzwords. I bet you probably don't even get the full advertised speed, but their saving grace is that they don't appear to use the Evil Phrases(TM) "unlimited" and "up-to" that marketeers love to bandy around in the UK. I'd be interested in seeing how brutal the T&Cs are for their services...
- Tyson Key
But Tyson - if you live in shitsville you really cant complain. If you live in the Highland of Scotland you cant really whinge about a post delivery every three days. Its part of living in Shitsville. I dont know anything about Sky - Broadcasting, but if it comes from a sattelite surely you can get a good speed. 2 Meg gives me everything I want. What else could I want?
- laprensa66
@laprensa66 - True, although the Sky/DVB-S stuff only covers their TV services, and their broadband and phone services are actually LLU-based, so they have to install equipment in the telephone exchanges. Naturally, thanks to the Shitsville Problem(TM), I can get Sky's paid or subscription-free satellite TV services without problems (not that I watch a great deal these days), but there's only one choice for a physical telephone line (BT, or none at all), and by extension broadband Internet service...
- Tyson Key
Of course, you can choose the ISP, although your choice is artificially limited because of that, since most of them rely on the BT IPStream and ADSL Max products, despite owning the rest of the ISP network past the DSLAM and other equipment), which means that you have to of course, have a BT line, or an unbundled one if you're lucky enough to have the option available. (Virgin handle their own phone customers over their cable network).
- Tyson Key
"Congratulations. I am most certainly looking forward to learning more from both you and Jesse on this, and many other, topics. As always I appreciate the transparency and rock solid perspective each of you brings to the table."
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I think being a master at learning whatever is needed at the time is a great skill to have. As far as in today's business climate, I don't think actual talent is usually involved to succeed. So I'd go with the former over the latter.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
A little about a lot (actually wrote a blog post about exactly this!). It's served me well in my current job because I've had to take on such disparate duties.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
To be an effective trainer I have to know a whole lot but make it seem like a little bit at the time.
- MLx
from fftogo
MLx - now that is an interesting take I had not thought about. So you have to chunck it out so people can catch-up to you... very good rationale.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I remember that post... that was a really good one. I see a lot of college professors that fall into that category.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
MLx makes a good point as well. When I was a trainer it was a very fine line to straddle, keeping up with what my students knew versus what I knew and how to share information without it being too advanced to be accessible.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I am quite good at most things - if I make the effort - an acceptable answer. I seem to be able to grasp the external stuff quite well - but mentally no no no.
- laprensa66
Bye the way Tina - I know what you mean.
- laprensa66
I don't think Talent is as important as it used to be in most cases. I think it's more about networking and who you know. This is not to say that talent is not an asset, but it's just not THE asset as it once was.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah - so sociability skills have replaced tech skills in your opinion? Knowledge-workers over Line-workers?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I think perhaps the marketable talents now aren't the same ones we would have seen even 20 years ago. Especially in a dodgy economy, having a diverse background and the proven ability to adapt to address business needs can be much more valuable then a specific talent in, say, coding one language.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
A I know a little about many things, a lot of a few things, and might be able to claim to be master a something... Not sure what that something would be though. :)
- Grant Bierman
Ah, Tina - that could be a whole 'nother can of worms - or 20 for that matter ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Tina makes a good point. I also think paperwork has gotten in the way. You got someone who gets a degree and 17 certs, then you got a guy who has been coding since Logo Writer in the 4th grade, can do things with a programming language that would make you pee your pants, but the paperwork always wins. Hell, look at the music business. Most of these people with platinum albums have minimal music talent.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What people really know: a little about a little.
- Todd Hoff
Maybe it all comes back to being able to market yourself. Maybe there is more competition, so you have to make yourself stand out beyond just your talent. Can't put my finger on it, really :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
One of my school teachers said "A little about a lot is always good especially during interviews". I agree with that too. A little about a lot is always better. You can start a conversation with almost everyone if you know a little about a lot and you can learn from them. When you know a lot about little, you can only start conversation with few people. :)
- Ramkarthik
I definitely know a little about a lot, and a lot about one thing.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Both. I know more than you might think about a *lot* of truly eclectic topics, and a *lot* about my specialty. I think I've managed this by knowing *nothing* about several whole fields of human endeavor, like sports.
- Michael R. Bernstein
A little about a lot. Which means I've always been good at pinch-hitting for other people at work, but I never know enough to actually do a high-paying job for a living.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Rah - I wonder in music if there isn't a DIGG-effect going on there? Ram - I like your thought on only being able to start a conversation with a few people. Michael - you advocate the trivial pursuit approach it sounds ;-) ? Jandy - high pay is both relative as is your perception of value and worth. Ask for what you are worth.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I love this debate. Personally, I believe it is more fulfilling to know "a little about a lot" as you put it. This post asks the same question of entrepreneurs : “Would you rather be great at just one particular thing…OR…just good at many things?” : http://www.techsoomer.com/type-en...
- Kevin Pruett
I think both. You should know a little about a lot of topics, but also be very well educated on a select few.
- Summer
So you have been followed by someone on twitter called StepheezHot and they want you to click on their webcam. What do you do, what do you do?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge