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Jeremiah Owyang posted a link
Twitter asks for your patience, do you think we owe it to them? I do
May 21 at 8:36 pm - Link
It helps when they communicate with the community. The more informed people are, the more patient they will be - Shey
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I agree w/Shey - Jennifer Leggio
Absolutely we owe it to them. - Mike Doeff
Exactamundo. (to Shey's comment) - Bwana McCall
Absolutely 100% agree, so happy they posted this! - Veronica Giggey
I've been sticking in there through 1.5 years of their downtime. By the way, thanks for bringing some noise into Friendfeed. - Robert Scoble
Shey that's the exact comment I left there, they need to be explaining that on Twitter as WELL as their blog. How many people check that blog to see wha the deal is? - Mack Collier
Yes. - Simon
Don't believe "owe" is the word I would use, but I will stick it out. - Philip Evans via twhirl
They really need to make better use of the twitter_status account: http://twitter.com/twitter_sta... - Jordan Hofker
I pretty much agree w/Shey Keep us in the loop & we'll cut you some slack. - Andy Kaufman
The communication issue is key. I've been saying that here and on the site itself. Show your users some love, let me know what's up other than "Something is technically wrong" and I'll keep on using the service. Twitter is great when it works. I don't know if I "owe" them anything but I am very appreciative of the information and contacts I've made through the service. I'll stay loyal for those reasons. - James
This was a thread in the Twit-Out.. under, what could Twitter improve..http://friendfeed.com/e/92d3ef... Check out my reply on Communication. :) - Bwana McCall
oh, I'm too co-dependent to leave now. what if twitter needs me? - rambn
I don't think we "owe" it to them, but I have no problem in giving them more time. Although I still am having a hard time understanding how Twitter receives millions of dollars in funding yet is experiencing epic failures in terms of downtime. Shouldn't that kind of dough give you the leverage to hire the right talent to get these problems fixed once and for all? - Michael Beck
I'm new to twitter, so I have to say I'd feel no great emotional angst switching to something equivalent but more reliable. - Bruce Williams
Are you kidding me? We don't owe Twitter a thing. Yes, it's great to have insight, but c'mon, but the simple fact of the matter is that after this much time having problems, if they don't get it together, people will start to leave, no matter how much transparency they provide. I can't tell you how often I hear "I hate twitter" from twitter users. As a side note, I hope they do fix it and I have no plans to leave, but would not fault anyone if they did. - Ryan W
It just occured to me that if I hadn't joined twitter (after hearing about it on TWIT and other podcasts and blogs) I probably wouldn't be on FF right now. My first twitter outage, there were a lot of posts like "Twitter keeps going down. I'm moving to FriendFeed." I just wanted to see what was the big deal. This is all your fault, Scoble. :) - ha3rvey (That One)
And, yes, I think they deserve a little patience, yeah, yeah. - ha3rvey (That One)
Yes we owe it to them, as community, we all know twitter is still beta, everyone needs grace. - Wayne Sutton
Jordan, thanks for the info about the twitter status account. I did not know about it until I read your comment. - Marcel Janus
You bet! :-) - Jordan Hofker
We definitely owe it to them. Twitter is still a fun service so I see no reason to completely give up on them yet. - Scott Jarkoff
We don't *owe* them patience, but they don't *owe* us a service with 100% uptime. Or 98%. Or even 50%. None of us are paying for any of this. The simple fact is that the only value in Twitter is the community. The people using it who are providing information that any of us want to see. It's not as if Pownce or Jaiku or FF don't exist. If the community moves, then this'll get interesting. Until then, we're all on Twitter and all the bitching is noise (and I don't mean the Noise® that Scoble is so fond of). - Ryan MF
Yes... for the same reason I've stuck with Dreamhost through their rough times - they may have problems here and there, but they communicate communicate communicate... I'm willing to cut Twitter plenty of slack if they will do the same. However, the twitter_status account is kind of worthless if Twitter itself is down... - Lee Goolsbee
it's not about patience for me, Twitter is still the most effective professional networking tool available online, it would be bad for business not to wait out the kinks at this point - Jennifer Van Grove via Alert Thingy
Jeremiah, I would be much more willing to show Twitter more patience if they would show us more of the kind of thing we saw tonight, a mea culpa. Not knowing what's going on exacerbates the frustration I feel over Twitter's stability issues. Eventually, though, they're going to have to get it right and Twitter's going to have to become much more stable if they expect longterm loyalty. - Gregory Pittman
I think we owe it to ourselves to make allowances for Twitter's growing pains. - RandaL Hicks
Very much yes. They are working hard to provide a truly great thing. If they were to call me, I'd help too. I don't know exactly what I'd do...but I'd find some way ....go get sodas and pizza, whatever. Yes.. - Dave Evans
Yep we owe it to them. Twitter is still genius. - Drew Lucas
Sure, why not. There are limits tho. And it's too bad that Google snapped up Jaiku and made it a beta only deal. - robb enger
We owe them nothing. But I'll stick around, because I find value in Twitter. And I appreciate their transparency as they wrestle with whatever gremlins afflict them. - Chris Baskind
I'm happy to give them some, maybe they should go completely down for amount of time, just to make it working as it should be when they come back - Dobromir Hadzhiev
I don't choose to use Twitter, Twitter chooses to use me. And apparently FriendFeed chose me to make this comment too. - Jason Honingford
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Robert Scoble posted an entry on Scobleizer -- Tech geek blogger
Why FriendFeed won’t go mainstream (Part I)
May 18 at 1:25 pm - Link
The brilliant part about arguing both sides of the issue is that Robert has 100% chance of looking back and going, "I was right!" - Louis Gray
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Haha, you're right Louis! He's a genius! - Lindsay Donaghe
Talk about setting yourself up for success...LOL - Rah™ via twhirl
I think you should both kiss and get it over with @LouisGray ;-P - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart via twhirl
It will go mainstream. In fact I have seen people from real estate using it - Varun Mahajan
I like FF ( and no, that is not FireFox) more and more every day - Denis
The truth is - FF isn't even close to being finished yet. We're just impatient geeks that want full meta-semantic-integration and yesterday. This stuff is hard - harder than complaining about it. Perhaps we should be constructive and offer improvements vs. just judging its life a few months after it was born. Baby, bathwater... I'd hate to walk underneath the bathroom window of a geek :-) - Brandon Werner
To answer the question about bloggers' conversations occurring on FF instead of their comments: you could just post a link at the end of your blog post to the FriendFeed page for that post (once it's available) and say something like "to comment on this post, go here". I'd like to see someone try that out. - Nathaniel Payne
There is already a plugin to pull the comments from ff and stick them on your WP Blog. Sounds like we are not that far off. - Rah™ via twhirl
+1 for Brandon - Varun Mahajan
I think us bloggers are going to have to learn to accept that conversations about our content will occur outside our blogs. People are able to talk about religion without having to go to a church to do it; people who want to complain about Katie Couric aren't expected to make their statements only to CBSNews.com. What we'll benefit most from are discovery tools to find out where people are talking about us and what they're saying - Summize, etc. - Todd Mundt
@Nathaniel - just started doing that exact thing! See for yourself on my blog http://bhc3.wordpress.com - Hutch Carpenter
That's an idea, Nathaniel, but the problem is that the conversation becomes splintered. It won't stay on that discussion thread alone. Someone will tweet about the post and it'll continue there. Someone will share it in Google Reader and it'll continue there. The conversations aren't tied to just one place, they're everywhere. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
Multiple discussions occuring in different places about the content you created. This used to be a Positive for marketing... - Rah™ via twhirl
@Shawn - from my perspective, comments are great for discussing ideas, wherever they occur. In adding FriendFeed links to my blog posts, I actually included some to another person's Google Reader share of my blog post. Why? The conversations were better there. So someone else gets the comment action. Not a problem. I can always find it via searching FriendFeed. - Hutch Carpenter
@Rahsheen - a positive for marketing buzz, but a negative for brand management - I can see bloggers' concern, but like Todd Mundt just said, we have to accept that conversations are allowed to exist beyond our blogs and that we can't contain it all - why bother trying? - Nathaniel Payne
Exactly, Rahsheen. I don't get why people are so resistant to discussions happening in more than one place. - Brent Newhall
I've even had conversations about blogs with people offline and neglected to post transcripts back into the stream. So, maybe they don't even exist. - Michael Hussein Markman
if the discussion takes place away from the blog, it reduces the page views and consequently the potential ad revenue - Paul Metcalfe
That sounds logical, Paul. But I think this argument is akin to the music industry saying they lose money when ppl d/l mp3's - Rah™ via twhirl
Cliffnotes of Part I: "Normal people (ie, those who aren’t on Twitter 18 hours a day) don’t like noise." Seriously, I think that sentence is really the key point and largely crystallizes your whole argument. - Deva Hazarika
Paul: A discussion on FriendFeed may generate *more* page views (and thus ad revenue) on the blog because of people seeing the FF discussion and clicking through to the blog. The more discussions that happen around the web, the more popular the blog's going to be. Surely it's better to have lots of different discussions happening all around the web about your blog, right? - Brent Newhall
Personally, if it were discussion about something I wrote, I'd like to at least be able to take part in the discussion and that's the problem I see with FF. The fragmented conversation. If the conversation takes place in the blog comments, it's much easier for me to follow. If people spin off into their own conversation and you aren't following them, you'd have no idea. If there was a way to keep everything under the umbrella of the original discussion, FF would be even more powerful. - Shawn Farner
I think their needs to be some type of cooperation between content creators and friendfeed. If you know your convo may move to ff, move it there yourself, plug ff directly into your blog with a plugin or something. Embrace it. It could only help. - Rah™
I just realized I wish FF had a save or tag-like function Sometimes I see conversations that I'd love to come back and re-read later. I've been saving a link to some of them, but since moving to del.icio.us, I barely bookmark anything. Web 2.0 stuff is making me lazy. :) - ha3rvey (That One)
But, what is it that FeedFriend do that can't be done by anyone else? Where is the sustainable advantage to this system? - Bob Wyman
There lots of reason it won't go, but the IU issues will get resolved and the watch out. - Russellreno
bob, you're here. That was such a Microsoft response. Sigh. - Robert Scoble
already is main stream my man - Travis Cooper
All I know is, ff did something that I was looking for and no one else had done. That by itself makes it sustainable unless someone attempts to do it better. - Rah™ via twhirl
But the discussion is ALREADY fragmented? Why is this new? If you write an article and I blog about it, the discussion among my blog's readers will occur on my blog? Sure, I might send your blog a trackback, but I find that so many of my trackbacks are spam that I don't even bother looking at them anymore. - Mitch Wagner
Posting a comment here does not allow me to also post to my Twitter account unless the original post was generated by Twitter (the checkbox doesn't appear below this textbox). Even when I can simultaneously post, my twittering is associated with FF, but not the URI. Any gratuitous @ symbols I throw in are associated with the username's comments which may have nothing to do with the context of the message. - RandaL Hicks
IMHO FF should always allow an option to cross-post and enable linking back to the conversation. FF would send a tinyURL (generated from the URI) along with the message to Twitter. Twitter would display the message, and at the bottom list FF as the client, but the 'in reply to:Username' field would be In Reply to: http://tinyurl.com/4yjmce ...In the meantime we'll have to clue our friends in manually, all concerns about fragmented conversations aside. - RandaL Hicks
hello - arash
Wrote about a potential #10 here. See what you think: http://www.andydesoto.com/soci... - Andy DeSoto
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Todd Jordan posted a message
“Is it wrong to enjoy Freindfeed commenting more than Twitter?”
May 18 at 8:29 pm - Link
yes. Hair will grow on your hands! :-) - Robert Scoble
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No, nothing wrong with that. - Morton Fox
FriendFeed and Twitter have an "open" relationship. ;) - Tad - the Meme Maker
oh no, I've already got hair on the back of my hands. It's already started. ARGH. - Todd Jordan
Tad- LOL - Todd Jordan
I just wish you could sync it with twitter - Andrew Wooldridge
Andrew - you know you can have it show all your tweets here right? And the tweets of folks you follow as well, even if they aren't on FF. - Todd Jordan
yeah, they seem pretty synced up. Only thing is, you can't really tweet directly from ff - Rah™ via twhirl
Actually Rahseen, I believe you can. - Todd Jordan
If you use alert thingy you can - Ed Dale via Alert Thingy
You can tweet replies from FF but not start new tweets from FF. - Morton Fox
Well, correction. You can have it to send your comments to twitter. - Rah™ via twhirl
Good point Rahsheen - Todd Jordan
Tad wins for pun of the century. +1 - Bwana McCall
Seems I'm only able to comment&&twitter from Twitter generated posts. - RandaL Hicks
Where do you set up tweeting of comments? twhirl or somewhere in friendfeed? can't find it. - Boris Gordon via twhirl
Boris, when you comment on a Twitter entry in FF, you'll see a checkbox for "Also send this comment as an @reply twitter..." Check it and FF will set up your Twitter login if you haven't done that already. - Morton Fox
Twitter has commenting? :) I do agree that discussions are easier to follow here but there are plenty of tools out there if you choose to use Twitter for it. (Quotably/Summize/Tweet2Tweet/etc) Me? I choose FriendFeed. - Bwana McCall
It's not your fault, comments are just better here :) - Shey
http://enrique-gutierrez.com - Am I missing something? I use FriendFeed and Twitter as two entirely different tools for two different... jobs - Enrique Gutierrez via Alert Thingy
Each platform has its own strengths, Twitter's being ease of use. - Ontario Emperor
I find that I mostly use Twitter when I'm mobile. My status updates are slowly migrating to FriendFeed. When someone writes a mobile FF client, I believe my Twitter usage will decline even further. - Bwana McCall
More and more I am leaving my comments on FF instead of on blogs or twitter. I like seeing the flow of comments to a post, even if it was a tweat. - Jon Erickson via twhirl
Nope. FF is the comment stream of choice for me. I have a "publish elsewhere, follow up on FF" habit. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
Nope. FF is the comment stream of choice for me. I have a "publish elsewhere, follow up on FF" habit. Ideally, FF woudl take the spot Disqus has with the right blog integration. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
That is exactly the type of integration I have been thinking about, Soulhuntre. - Rah™ via twhirl
If it's wrong, I don't want to be right... - Hutch Carpenter
LOL, Hutch! - Lindsay Donaghe
Why would anybody feel bad about that? Use what you like :) - Jason Kaneshiro
Yes, post somewhere, comment here and follow up here. Twitter included. But now I'm wondering if just leaving a message here instead of twitter might be best for things I want real follow up on. - Todd Jordan
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Cali Lewis posted an entry on GeekBrief.TV | Video Podcast
Longhorn Cali
May 14 at 11:48 am - Link
cute... - RandaL Hicks
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Stanton Champion shared an item on Google Reader
Too Many Choices, Too Much Content
May 14 at 6:29 am - Link
There's just too much stuff on the Internet for early adopters. Interesting summary of all the major battles, who's winning, and what's needed. - Stanton Champion
I couldn't agree more that we are in an avalanche of APIs and aggregation. I also see the growing pains as different apps vie for Twitter's updates; today I got my first 400 error from Twitter (exceeding the 70 authenticated requests per hour) which tribal knowledge suggests may be due to other services accessing my account with the API. - RandaL Hicks
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Elliott posted a link
Google Confirms Plans To Put Display Ads On Google.com - Silicon Alley Insider
Google Confirms Plans To Put Display Ads On Google.com - Silicon Alley Insider
May 9 at 8:02 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"We've argued that a full load of display ads on Google.com could add $3-$4 billion in annual revenue." Holy Cow. - Elliott
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This is sad. One of the differentiators of Google is its advertising. Now they just are going for the profits. Sigh. - Robert Scoble
Like they're not making enough money. What they're doing is working. Why change? - David Risley
do no evil, indeed. - Chris Hollander
worst...idea...ever. - Morgan via twhirl
they have sooo many other avenues to produce income. why that? they need to be more creative. - Josh via twhirl
I wonder how they put them on iGoogle. Honestly, though, a couple half banners surrounding the logo wouldn't really bother me. Everyone's got the right to earn a few billion more. :) - felix
Scoble - don't you hate it when a site gets loaded down with ads? Even after the person said they wouldn't run them? - Dave Hodson
If the display ads from google are every bit as intelligent as the link ads, they'll be fine. I'm disappointed by how this will likely effect the page load times on Google (which are the primary reason I use Google over Yahoo or MSN anyway) - Adam Posey
lets see how this *pushing envelope* ends up... I guess this is classical case of big company taken over by mediocrity step by step, described so many times that it should be recognized without effort - silpol
i wont believe this until i see it. - Chris Farrugia
Isn't this the same as with Wordpress ads (only for Internet Explorer?). Power-users probably never see the Google homepage. - Meryn Stol
Really bad idea. - terry radford
I guess it was only a matter of time... As long as it's unobtrusive in terms of pageload &&,|| client-side processing I'm fine with it. Could probably add rule(s) to ipfw... - RandaL Hicks
the display ads might be put on Google image search which is all about images anyway, not main .com text homepage - Kevin Gough
If Google manages to get advertisers to clean up their act and create ads that don't slow down/break web pages, then everyone wins. If they let the same ads run on Google that run everywhere else, then Google loses bigtime. - Jason Wehmhoener
Personally, I think the article is trying to stir up unfounded attention. It talks about display ads in general raking in cash for Google, but then the quote from the Google rep talks about ads in image search only. If that's the case, what is the big deal? - Jason Dettbarn
Agree w @Jason and add that people had the same sort of reaction when text ads were introduced. It's not like you're going to wake up one day and it's going to look like the old TW Pathfinder site. - Erik Dafforn
I'm not sure how I feel about this...I mean, if Google can display ads that are in fact relevant to me, then I might be interested. I also think that while this idea does suck - it is important to remember what Google is...a public company that has to make profit. Sometimes I have a hard time understanding where all their money comes from....(i.e. who clicks on all those ads anyway?) - Elliott
I also agree with @Jason. The reference to Google.com is like saying "Google.com properties" - (i.e. Image Search). - Elliott
Is Google trying to be the next Yahoo!? Do not like. - darnell
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