I wonder what the phishers will do with an account they took control over. Would they send out commercial messages, or more phishing...?
- Dennis Goedegebuure
DM the person it came from and tell them to change their password... It will block access to the account by the Phisher...
- Brian Roy
@Brandon nothing needs "to be done" - this is 100% attributable to user error. the phish attack happens from followers that people don't really know, and only when the user clicks on a link sent via email, and only when the user doesn't look at the link they are about to click on...
- Jeremy Toeman
There was a warning posted when you logged into twitter just the other day warning about this exact thing. As much as sites like friend feed are great for the amalgamation of your social network streams you do loose valuable data like this when you don't log into the actual site.
- Christopher Mercer
@Gaurav Why would short URLs be a problem? Just look at what the actual address is when you click through...
- Matthew Arevalo
What needs to be done, is for the FBI, and their counterparts, to make a few examples with vicious prosecution. The sum total of loss because some scum bag(s) can't function within societal norms, is immeasurable. It's time.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
@Jeremy I haven't found this to be true with the DM Phishes I have received (re: people you don't know). I agree with @Ed's statement that we can do something about this by prosecuting (if they are American, a big if) those responsible. It would be nice to see a service using the Twitter API to keep track of this. There sure was a fast enough reply to the idiotic authority-based Twitter search idea ...
- Brandon Mendelson
I also got a DM from @pscoble with the link. I'm glad that FF has tinyURL mouseovers that reveal the actual link. I'm not clicking on any TinyURL links on Twitter for a while.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Agreed. Shortened URLs can be scary -- really have to trust the sender when the snipping service doesn't offer a preview feature such as http://preview.tinyurl.com ... there is a cookie setting available as well which will autopreview any TinyURL you try to goto. Incidentally TinyURL's Terms of Use states:"Using it for spamming or illegal purposes is forbidden and any such use will result in the TinyURL being disabled and you may be reported to all ISPs involved and to the proper governmental agencies."
- RandaL Hicks
Now I think more people will understand why tinyurl was selected to be the default url shortener for twitter. Go to preview.tinyurl.com and turn it on.
- April Russo (app103)
Cool! I did not know about the TinyURL preview feature. Just enabled it. Thanks for the tip RandaL.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Yeah, I just got a DM from Patrick Scoble at 1:37pm EST today... I ignored that... bummer
- Susan Beebe
i just got phished too, but firefox blocked it, so i believe i am safe for now... hard to tell though because it was from a twitter friend
- Kevin Buckstiegel
from twhirl
The US is the biggest for spam, not phishers. Phishers would be easily prosecutable even under existing laws. The Russians are believe to be responsible for 50% of phishing.
- John Rubier
from twhirl
@Matthew: I hear you, however if I see a link, I want to click on it - I don't want to check if it's safe, that takes too much time. Imagine doing that for every shortened URL you wanted to click on. Just look at first 10 Twitter posts by your friends, then imagine checking them all.
- Gaurav Patel
What I would love to see happen is what RandaL Hicks mentioned, some kind of URL/site preview before being redirected by the shortened URL provider to the actual site. http://www.nsfw.in/ does this well and by default, TinyURL and others do not (afaik) by default, but you can provide a preview URL which is longer though and defeats the purpose.
- Gaurav Patel
Looks like the tainted blog has been removed by the BlogSpot administrators, or at least one of them has (http://rosalierebyb.blogspot.com/). I happened to have got one of the DMs from orionstarr, and promptly deleted it, after informing him.
- Tyson Key
I just sent a direct message to a friend letting him know that his account had been hacked and was sending out phishing links. The hacker responded to me "fixed it.. hehe here is that blog i wanted to show you: (another phishing link)"
- LA Snark
@Jack at LA Snark - I got one of those "fixed it" DMs too, after Twittering with an @reply to the person who's account the 1st DM originated from.
- Tyson Key
Absolutely 100% agree, so happy they posted this!
- Veronica Giggey
I've been sticking in there through 1.5 years of their downtime. By the way, thanks for bringing some noise into Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Shey that's the exact comment I left there, they need to be explaining that on Twitter as WELL as their blog. How many people check that blog to see wha the deal is?
- Mack Collier
I pretty much agree w/Shey Keep us in the loop & we'll cut you some slack.
- Andy Kaufman
The communication issue is key. I've been saying that here and on the site itself. Show your users some love, let me know what's up other than "Something is technically wrong" and I'll keep on using the service. Twitter is great when it works. I don't know if I "owe" them anything but I am very appreciative of the information and contacts I've made through the service. I'll stay loyal for those reasons.
- James
This was a thread in the Twit-Out.. under, what could Twitter improve..http://friendfeed.com/e... Check out my reply on Communication. :)
- Bwana ☠
Are you kidding me? We don't owe Twitter a thing. Yes, it's great to have insight, but c'mon, but the simple fact of the matter is that after this much time having problems, if they don't get it together, people will start to leave, no matter how much transparency they provide. I can't tell you how often I hear "I hate twitter" from twitter users. As a side note, I hope they do fix it and I have no plans to leave, but would not fault anyone if they did.
- Ryan W
It just occured to me that if I hadn't joined twitter (after hearing about it on TWIT and other podcasts and blogs) I probably wouldn't be on FF right now. My first twitter outage, there were a lot of posts like "Twitter keeps going down. I'm moving to FriendFeed." I just wanted to see what was the big deal. This is all your fault, Scoble. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
And, yes, I think they deserve a little patience, yeah, yeah.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Yes we owe it to them, as community, we all know twitter is still beta, everyone needs grace.
- Wayne Sutton
Jordan, thanks for the info about the twitter status account. I did not know about it until I read your comment.
- Marcel Janus
We definitely owe it to them. Twitter is still a fun service so I see no reason to completely give up on them yet.
- Scott Jarkoff
We don't *owe* them patience, but they don't *owe* us a service with 100% uptime. Or 98%. Or even 50%. None of us are paying for any of this. The simple fact is that the only value in Twitter is the community. The people using it who are providing information that any of us want to see. It's not as if Pownce or Jaiku or FF don't exist. If the community moves, then this'll get interesting. Until then, we're all on Twitter and all the bitching is noise (and I don't mean the Noise® that Scoble is so fond of).
- Ryan MF
Yes... for the same reason I've stuck with Dreamhost through their rough times - they may have problems here and there, but they communicate communicate communicate... I'm willing to cut Twitter plenty of slack if they will do the same. However, the twitter_status account is kind of worthless if Twitter itself is down...
- Lee Goolsbee
it's not about patience for me, Twitter is still the most effective professional networking tool available online, it would be bad for business not to wait out the kinks at this point
- Jennifer Van Grove
from Alert Thingy
Jeremiah, I would be much more willing to show Twitter more patience if they would show us more of the kind of thing we saw tonight, a mea culpa. Not knowing what's going on exacerbates the frustration I feel over Twitter's stability issues. Eventually, though, they're going to have to get it right and Twitter's going to have to become much more stable if they expect longterm loyalty.
- Gregory Pittman
I think we owe it to ourselves to make allowances for Twitter's growing pains.
- RandaL Hicks
Very much yes. They are working hard to provide a truly great thing. If they were to call me, I'd help too. I don't know exactly what I'd do...but I'd find some way ....go get sodas and pizza, whatever. Yes..
- Dave Evans
Yep we owe it to them. Twitter is still genius.
- Drew Lucas
Sure, why not. There are limits tho. And it's too bad that Google snapped up Jaiku and made it a beta only deal.
- robb enger
We owe them nothing. But I'll stick around, because I find value in Twitter. And I appreciate their transparency as they wrestle with whatever gremlins afflict them.
- Chris Baskind
I'm happy to give them some, maybe they should go completely down for amount of time, just to make it working as it should be when they come back
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I don't choose to use Twitter, Twitter chooses to use me. And apparently FriendFeed chose me to make this comment too.
- Jason Honingford
Andrew - you know you can have it show all your tweets here right? And the tweets of folks you follow as well, even if they aren't on FF.
- Todd Jordan
yeah, they seem pretty synced up. Only thing is, you can't really tweet directly from ff
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
Actually Rahseen, I believe you can.
- Todd Jordan
Seems I'm only able to comment&&twitter from Twitter generated posts.
- RandaL Hicks
Where do you set up tweeting of comments? twhirl or somewhere in friendfeed? can't find it.
- Boris Gordon
from twhirl
Boris, when you comment on a Twitter entry in FF, you'll see a checkbox for "Also send this comment as an @reply twitter..." Check it and FF will set up your Twitter login if you haven't done that already.
- Morton Fox
Twitter has commenting? :) I do agree that discussions are easier to follow here but there are plenty of tools out there if you choose to use Twitter for it. (Quotably/Summize/Tweet2Tweet/etc) Me? I choose FriendFeed.
- Bwana ☠
Each platform has its own strengths, Twitter's being ease of use.
- Ontario Emperor
I find that I mostly use Twitter when I'm mobile. My status updates are slowly migrating to FriendFeed. When someone writes a mobile FF client, I believe my Twitter usage will decline even further.
- Bwana ☠
More and more I am leaving my comments on FF instead of on blogs or twitter. I like seeing the flow of comments to a post, even if it was a tweat.
- Jon Erickson
from twhirl
Nope. FF is the comment stream of choice for me. I have a "publish elsewhere, follow up on FF" habit.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Nope. FF is the comment stream of choice for me. I have a "publish elsewhere, follow up on FF" habit. Ideally, FF woudl take the spot Disqus has with the right blog integration.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
That is exactly the type of integration I have been thinking about, Soulhuntre.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
If it's wrong, I don't want to be right...
- Hutch Carpenter
Yes, post somewhere, comment here and follow up here. Twitter included. But now I'm wondering if just leaving a message here instead of twitter might be best for things I want real follow up on.
- Todd Jordan
It will go mainstream. In fact I have seen people from real estate using it
- Varun Mahajan
I like FF ( and no, that is not FireFox) more and more every day
- Denis
To answer the question about bloggers' conversations occurring on FF instead of their comments: you could just post a link at the end of your blog post to the FriendFeed page for that post (once it's available) and say something like "to comment on this post, go here". I'd like to see someone try that out.
- Nathaniel Payne
There is already a plugin to pull the comments from ff and stick them on your WP Blog. Sounds like we are not that far off.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
I think us bloggers are going to have to learn to accept that conversations about our content will occur outside our blogs. People are able to talk about religion without having to go to a church to do it; people who want to complain about Katie Couric aren't expected to make their statements only to CBSNews.com. What we'll benefit most from are discovery tools to find out where people are talking about us and what they're saying - Summize, etc.
- Todd Mundt
That's an idea, Nathaniel, but the problem is that the conversation becomes splintered. It won't stay on that discussion thread alone. Someone will tweet about the post and it'll continue there. Someone will share it in Google Reader and it'll continue there. The conversations aren't tied to just one place, they're everywhere.
- Shawn Farner
from twhirl
Multiple discussions occuring in different places about the content you created. This used to be a Positive for marketing...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
@Shawn - from my perspective, comments are great for discussing ideas, wherever they occur. In adding FriendFeed links to my blog posts, I actually included some to another person's Google Reader share of my blog post. Why? The conversations were better there. So someone else gets the comment action. Not a problem. I can always find it via searching FriendFeed.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Rahsheen - a positive for marketing buzz, but a negative for brand management - I can see bloggers' concern, but like Todd Mundt just said, we have to accept that conversations are allowed to exist beyond our blogs and that we can't contain it all - why bother trying?
- Nathaniel Payne
Exactly, Rahsheen. I don't get why people are so resistant to discussions happening in more than one place.
- Brent Newhall
I've even had conversations about blogs with people offline and neglected to post transcripts back into the stream. So, maybe they don't even exist.
- Michael Markman
if the discussion takes place away from the blog, it reduces the page views and consequently the potential ad revenue
- Paul Metcalfe
That sounds logical, Paul. But I think this argument is akin to the music industry saying they lose money when ppl d/l mp3's
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
Cliffnotes of Part I: "Normal people (ie, those who aren’t on Twitter 18 hours a day) don’t like noise." Seriously, I think that sentence is really the key point and largely crystallizes your whole argument.
- Deva Hazarika
Paul: A discussion on FriendFeed may generate *more* page views (and thus ad revenue) on the blog because of people seeing the FF discussion and clicking through to the blog. The more discussions that happen around the web, the more popular the blog's going to be. Surely it's better to have lots of different discussions happening all around the web about your blog, right?
- Brent Newhall
Personally, if it were discussion about something I wrote, I'd like to at least be able to take part in the discussion and that's the problem I see with FF. The fragmented conversation. If the conversation takes place in the blog comments, it's much easier for me to follow. If people spin off into their own conversation and you aren't following them, you'd have no idea. If there was a way to keep everything under the umbrella of the original discussion, FF would be even more powerful.
- Shawn Farner
I think their needs to be some type of cooperation between content creators and friendfeed. If you know your convo may move to ff, move it there yourself, plug ff directly into your blog with a plugin or something. Embrace it. It could only help.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I just realized I wish FF had a save or tag-like function Sometimes I see conversations that I'd love to come back and re-read later. I've been saving a link to some of them, but since moving to del.icio.us, I barely bookmark anything. Web 2.0 stuff is making me lazy. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
But, what is it that FeedFriend do that can't be done by anyone else? Where is the sustainable advantage to this system?
- Bob Wyman
There lots of reason it won't go, but the IU issues will get resolved and the watch out.
- Russellreno
bob, you're here. That was such a Microsoft response. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
All I know is, ff did something that I was looking for and no one else had done. That by itself makes it sustainable unless someone attempts to do it better.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from twhirl
But the discussion is ALREADY fragmented? Why is this new? If you write an article and I blog about it, the discussion among my blog's readers will occur on my blog? Sure, I might send your blog a trackback, but I find that so many of my trackbacks are spam that I don't even bother looking at them anymore.
- Mitch Wagner
Posting a comment here does not allow me to also post to my Twitter account unless the original post was generated by Twitter (the checkbox doesn't appear below this textbox). Even when I can simultaneously post, my twittering is associated with FF, but not the URI. Any gratuitous @ symbols I throw in are associated with the username's comments which may have nothing to do with the context of the message.
- RandaL Hicks
IMHO FF should always allow an option to cross-post and enable linking back to the conversation. FF would send a tinyURL (generated from the URI) along with the message to Twitter. Twitter would display the message, and at the bottom list FF as the client, but the 'in reply to:Username' field would be In Reply to: http://tinyurl.com/4yjmce ...In the meantime we'll have to clue our friends in manually, all concerns about fragmented conversations aside.
- RandaL Hicks
Pretty amazing resolution and interesting to look around. Looks like the guy with funny socks, reading a book dropped his pager. 2 people are enjoying bottled beer (a Guinness and Sam Adams). Two 2-tops have a person on the cell phone -- just plain rude. The top of the stairs is a bad place for that fan. What I'm wondering is if the older married guy got that ladie's phone number...
- RandaL Hicks
photojojo tells me even private spaces are public if they are open to the public....... ianal
- paulm
You have the right to take pics, they also have the right to ask you to leave. What the guards did may be bad publicity, but it's not illegal. However, they had no legal right to ask him to delete pictures.
- Paul Holbrook
We live in an asymmetrical surveillance society. They (government and corporations) can take pictures of us, but we're not allowed to take pictures of them. Interesting.
- Mark Logan
You never really know _who's_ watching. Found a refn off of @geekdave 's blog. http://www.google.com/search... If you remove everything after the IP address:port you'll get a livefeed.
- RandaL Hicks
I understand the concern of the phtogs, flip side you have to see how what looks like high quality imaging can be seen as a first step to an attack - because it often is. GEtting pissy with the rent-a-cop is just silly. Leave, get a lawyer if thats what you want.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
There's just too much stuff on the Internet for early adopters. Interesting summary of all the major battles, who's winning, and what's needed.
- Stanton Champion
I couldn't agree more that we are in an avalanche of APIs and aggregation. I also see the growing pains as different apps vie for Twitter's updates; today I got my first 400 error from Twitter (exceeding the 70 authenticated requests per hour) which tribal knowledge suggests may be due to other services accessing my account with the API.
- RandaL Hicks
they have sooo many other avenues to produce income. why that? they need to be more creative.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
I wonder how they put them on iGoogle. Honestly, though, a couple half banners surrounding the logo wouldn't really bother me. Everyone's got the right to earn a few billion more. :)
- felix
Scoble - don't you hate it when a site gets loaded down with ads? Even after the person said they wouldn't run them?
- Dave Hodson
If the display ads from google are every bit as intelligent as the link ads, they'll be fine. I'm disappointed by how this will likely effect the page load times on Google (which are the primary reason I use Google over Yahoo or MSN anyway)
- Adam Posey
lets see how this *pushing envelope* ends up... I guess this is classical case of big company taken over by mediocrity step by step, described so many times that it should be recognized without effort
- A.T.
I guess it was only a matter of time... As long as it's unobtrusive in terms of pageload &&,|| client-side processing I'm fine with it. Could probably add rule(s) to ipfw...
- RandaL Hicks
the display ads might be put on Google image search which is all about images anyway, not main .com text homepage
- Kevin Gough
If Google manages to get advertisers to clean up their act and create ads that don't slow down/break web pages, then everyone wins. If they let the same ads run on Google that run everywhere else, then Google loses bigtime.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Personally, I think the article is trying to stir up unfounded attention. It talks about display ads in general raking in cash for Google, but then the quote from the Google rep talks about ads in image search only. If that's the case, what is the big deal?
- Jason Dettbarn
Agree w @Jason and add that people had the same sort of reaction when text ads were introduced. It's not like you're going to wake up one day and it's going to look like the old TW Pathfinder site.
- Erik Dafforn
I'm not sure how I feel about this...I mean, if Google can display ads that are in fact relevant to me, then I might be interested. I also think that while this idea does suck - it is important to remember what Google is...a public company that has to make profit. Sometimes I have a hard time understanding where all their money comes from....(i.e. who clicks on all those ads anyway?)
- Elliott
I also agree with @Jason. The reference to Google.com is like saying "Google.com properties" - (i.e. Image Search).
- Elliott
Is Google trying to be the next Yahoo!? Do not like.
- darnell
@SteveHodson You're right! FF sure did get a lot noisier tonight - after all, it's open mic night at Scoble's World Wide Show.on Friendfeed aka "ScobleFeed" :-) sorry Robert, I couldn't resist the fun!! <FF poke?!>
- Susan Beebe
I sent you a link to me on twitter. now here's another. i still want you to go see the trailers for "man conquers space," too. http://twurl.nl/nlc2ev
- mark zero (Jason)
How can I find out if you've subscribed to my FriendFeed?
- Lawrence Liu
from twhirl
According to the little bubble, not me. Even though you said the other day I was being added to the World Wide Talk Show. ;-) Oops, can't press Enter for a newline. What I was going to say, prior to the Post button getting unexpectedly pressed, is that I cannot imagine following 20,000 (or even some fraction of that) on FF. It's gotta be tough as it is on Twitter.
- Joanmarie
Guessing that comments are the way to let you know :)
- Jed White
Holy crap. You've practically got the SNN goin' on - Scoble News Network ?? You will all be featured this week on Fast Company TV - Submit bio to ...
- Charlie Anzman
This is the greatest thing to happen to anyone ever! Cheesecake for everybody.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I let you know via Twitter, perhaps this is more appropriate.
- bill shamam
IF you are able to WITHSTAND fair portion of Russian (sorry, but I try to bring here my community from Russian segment of livejournal.com after buyout disaster) and/or stream of Nokia-tablet/Maemo/etc related-stuff and/or a lot of bitch about this and that... http://friendfeed.com/silpol ;)
- A.T.
Robert, I appreciate your efforts, but I'm afraid that if I follow you (and you follow me in return), I'll have to deal with a lot of noise, and a lot of hype. Once you get worked up about something, you have this need to talk about it all the time, and to impose your point of view (ex: FaceBook). That's why I unsubscribed from your blog a while back. I couldn't deal with it any more. You shot down two of my comments without even bothering to consider them. Take this for what it's worth, no hard feelings.
- Raoul Pop
You're not subscribed to me, here, but anything I have to say that might be interesting to you, I say in a comment anyway... I'm not very talkative, but I enjoy watching your conversation!
- Kenneth LeFebvre
<smirk> I made the mistake of testing something...</smirk> Don't open @scobleizer subscriber page on FF. 34,398 lines of HTML is painful. Slow script kept forcing me to kill the PIDs for both Safari && Firefox. FriendFeed's servers probably don't appreciate the added load either...Robert only has approximately 10% of his Twitter audience over here so far. Even if only 75% show up he's looking at a quarter million lines of code! FF should /really/ pagify this -- say at 100 users?
- RandaL Hicks