I absolutely agree on Chris Brogan's views.I made the similar mistakes in my initial stages of using Twitter,FF,and Facebook.
- Dedegi
Two years ago I asked everyone if they thought it was normal to put you on a mailing list if you gave them a business card. Most said yes - I still think NO. I've known Chris for at least that long (worked on Grasshoppers FB and Ning sites) and I'd never put him or anyone else on a mailing list without checking with them first.
- randulo
when paypal serves its customers, the name will no longer be an obscenity. In the mean time they may as well be called Big Brother. They do what they like with your funds, speak the language they wish to you and make it as difficult as possible to actually resolve serious problems.
- randulo
I'm very excited about today's guests, Village Telco is a great project and their web site is the most readable tech site I've seen: http://villagetelco.org sets an example for good prose, good structure and visual signal to noise.
- randulo
since posts that appear in a list are determined by the owner, when another user reads the list, there is no direct control of the content. it has been recommended by another trusted user, and the same is true for posts shown in friendfeed using friend-of-a-friend
- Mike Chelen
Chris: and I answered Mike Taylor in his comments there. Good stuff.
- Robert Scoble
IRC remains the number one text-only community tool for live collaboration IMO. It has all the features except attachments - and that's a good thing.
- randulo
The FOAF inaccuracy in this post is glaring.
- Bruce Lewis
This exactly mirrors real life. The degree to which anything is good is the degree to which people work for it. When the trolls etc inevitably come to feed it's your choice: stay and work or leave and cry. If people stay and work then a community can thrive. Exactly as in real life. I've seen this many many times. As in real life what people usually do is move on to once again live off low hanging fruit when the best crops take time.
- Todd Hoff
"That’s true, but the more conversations I got involved in the less I found I was learning" - How much do you learn from your family? And a long list of links is equivalent to memorizing all the names of dead presidents, it's anything but learning. What you see is Mike Lee hurting and exploding out. Next he'll be reaching out and Twitter won't be there.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: you forget my brother is THE famous ALEX SCOBLE! I learn a lot from my family. Some here, some in private. And you must have missed the hundreds of replies that Mike got. Some things, by the way, are best done over whisky at a bar not online.
- Robert Scoble
I think you missed the point about family Robert. The purpose of any group is not always for you to learn. There are many other aspects that need not be consigned to a whisky bar.
- Todd Hoff
@Robert - some people don't have the option to do things over whiskey at a bar, but they can interact online. And some tools are better suited to that kind of interaction than others. I can think of one that starts with an F and doesn't end in an K. A lot of people look to make strong connections with others that they simply don't have access to in person.
- Lindsay
Posted a comment on the blog. Long story short, the DATA (activity and content) has changed but you haven't changed your filters to help transform that data into information. The problem isn't FriendFeed it's the fact that you've calcified and haven't kept up with your filters. Full blog comment here: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- AJ Kohn
It appears Robert believes that he will be able to influence others through the curating of Twitter lists. In my opinion the type of people who cannot create and filter their own community are not worth influencing. I think the list feature is useful but so far I have no desire to subscribe to anyone else's Twitter lists.
- scott anderson
"you can believe that all you want. Doesn't make you right" A statement that can apply to many people on several different subjects. Perhaps it's come to a point, Robert, where it's best for you to agree to disagree regarding the data, fate, and demise of FriendFeed. Because you've chosen to move on to the next shiny thing doesn't mean that everyone else has to do the same.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
What Tina said + How is listorious any better than the SUL? It seems to me like a circle-jerk of the perpetual group of A-List bloggers reinventing themselves as curators in a social capital land grab. I could be wrong tho'.
- scott anderson
scott: almost none of the Listorius lists are done by A-list bloggers. But, thanks for playing. 6.5 million lists have been created in a weekend. You think those were created by only A-lsters? Dream on!
- Robert Scoble
And what's the difference between the SUL? Well, for one, there's only ONE SUL and there's 6.5 million lists already with more every minute. The SUL is offered in Twitter's startup UI. Lists are not. The SUL gifts its members millions of followers every year. So far I've gotten a slight bump from lists, but not nearly as big as being on the SUL.
- Robert Scoble
I like the list feature. I find it useful for organizing the people I follow. I just don't have any interest in subscribing to other people's lists. I was comparing listorious with SUL, not the list feature with SUL.
- scott anderson
Listorious presents thousands (soon to be millions) of lists. The SUL only presents one. It's funny you can't see the difference between that.
- Robert Scoble
Looking at the front page it *appears* that Tim O'Reilly, a tech publisher, is in charge of curating tech news. You don't see a problem with that??
- scott anderson
I don't understand why you'd want to follow somebody else's lists. Wouldn't that just clutter up your view with a bunch of stuff you don't control? Or does it keep those lists separate, like your own lists are separate from your follows?
- Otto
randulo: no platforms can match irc for low-latency communication besides im protocols such as xmpp ... and friendfeed!
- Mike Chelen
Robert: just stand by for the SLL (suggested list list)
- Mike Chelen
Otto: there is complete control in that you may choose to follow or unfollow the list at any time, with additional granularity offered through following individual accounts
- Mike Chelen
Robert I reread your post again and several things jumped out: 1) "Compare that feed to your average Facebook feed and you’ll see it in stark black and white: your Facebook feed is “fun” but isn’t teaching you much." Really? Well, you must be using Facebook differently than I do. I somehow have managed to collect the pages and the friends and the groups I enjoy and its providing me with...
more...
- Melanie Reed
I want to add that I respect the job you provide to the online community, the observations you make. You are gifted in this area. But I see that more as a guidance value rather than as counselor and decision maker for users. Those jobs seem more important for the production side of social media rather than its use.
- Melanie Reed
Since I'm passing through FF here, yes I wish Laconica clients like Twhirl had an ignore filter. I asked for this last year, but Evan didn't think it was worth implementing. If you set up a community on a Laconica instance, you want to listen to all *except* some, without following people like the Twitter model.
- randulo
BTR says "People who liked this also liked: Jim McBride, MrSKIN.com adult website entrepreneur: Mr. Media Radio Interview, Haveing a Baby Through Surrogacy (sic)" C'mon Dave, what do they know that we don't?
- randulo
The speed at which a mobile site loads is the most important factor in deciding users will return to a mobile site. Surprisingly this was followed by navigation, with the quality of the content coming in third place according to research by InsightExpress.
- randulo
The "Truth in 24" driving application, developed by Factory Design Labs, Denver, challenges iPhone and iPod touch players to monitor fuel use and tire wear. It also offers rich graphics and a new driver's point of view.
- randulo
Ly favorite packaging sites features a lot of great wine lables. Here we look at the mobile site. Note how they've found a way to show graphics on this site in an agreeable way.
- randulo
Excellent article! "Because designing websites for mobile devices brings some unique situations and challenges into play, the subject requires a strategic approach from the designer and developer. In this article, we’ll look at the subject as a whole, including current trends, challenges, tips and a showcase of mobile websites. Plenty of helpful resources and articles are also linked to throughout the post, so if you’re interested in learning more about designing for mobiles, you should have plenty of information at your fingertips."
- randulo
Mobile site to find a movie or see what is playing. This site works well and could be similar to the mechanism used to show vintage or where to find wines.
- randulo