Randy Holloway

Is it me or does he look like plastic, maybe an old Ken? - James Tenniswood

this is going to get soooo ugly.. - Chris "Iceman" Hollander

Wow -- I can't wait to see what Thomas Hawk has to say about this. You of course remember his dust up with Jill Greenberg. She is obviously a pretty low person. - Joe Beda

Jeffrey Goldberg, TheAtlantic.com: "Suffice it to say that her "art" is juvenile, and on occasion repulsive. This is not the issue, of course; the issue is that she betrayed this magazine, and disgraced her profession." http://jeffreygoldberg.theatla... - Randy Holloway

My goodness. I hope The Atlantic successfully sues Ms. Greenberg. What a despicable person. I was going to say that it's people like her who give Democrats a bad name, but no, it's people like her who give *people* a bad name. - Adam Lasnik

Very unprofessional on her part. - Rod Bauer via twhirl

That is shocking, but after reading Thomas Hawks feelings about her, maybe I shouldn't be that surprised. The sooner editorial art directors take this onboard the better. Avoid - James Tenniswood

Is that lipstick? - Indio Apache via twhirl

I thought the comments were about the text added to the photo. I didn't understand the uproar since I thought it was common knowledge that, yes, that incident occurred. Then I went to the link, read the post, and saw the other images. If Jill Greenberg's career as a photojournalist or magazine photographer isn't over already, it should be. Don't you think? - Cindy Stanford ~ hci

She's a freelancer, she doesn't work for the Atlantic. She sold the Atlantic photo that ended up on the cover. What else she shot was her business. And she's an artist. Artists have a long tradition of playing pranks and fucking shit up. As they should. When an artist becomes professional, she dies. - Rick Powell

Rick, from what I understand when someone commissions a freelancer or anyone else to do some work they get all the photos that were taken and all the rights to them. She shouldn't have kept photos from the shoot. - Arthur Guy

You mean they hand over the negatives or the SD card? Please. - Rick Powell

They used to hand over the negatives but with digital images it obviously doesn't work, thats why you hope photographers are respectable people who abide by the contracts they working under - Arthur Guy

Perhaps the Atlantic colluded with Greenberg. Big deal. These objections and the hand-wringing and the pleas to professionalism are all so very square. I, for one, am glad these images exist. They made me laugh, and I couldn't give a rat's ass about the "ethics." - Rick Powell

Obama was wrong. You CAN put lipstick on a pig! - Indio Apache via twhirl

Greenberg's smugness is appalling, but seeing how the republican media portray Obama, up to the point of retouching his portraits and darken his skin, this is just par for the course. - dario

Greenberg's actions were professionally deceptive, but the results of her deceit, unflattering pictures and Photoshopped alterations, they only exaggerate factual aspects about McCain and still do not reach the level of deception from McCain's recent ad campaigns. Given that McCain seems "hell-bent" on lying to get elected, Greenberg is well within her rights, and perhaps obligations as a patriotic American, to lie so she can help tell the truth. - Sean O'Maverick

"they only exaggerate factual aspects about McCain" What that he is a blood sucking monster!? I don't have a problem with the images I just think they should have been done to ones taken from the public domain rather than in the un-professional way they were obtained. - Arthur Guy

@Arthur The caption "I am a bloodhirsty warmonger" is an exaggeration of his support for the Iraq war. The picture illustrates that exaggeration. Considering the massive casualties resulting from this particular war, I think it's appropriate. - Sean O'Maverick

I think Greenberg may have muted her message through her deception. Now the focus is on her, and the lengths she went to get these shots. It should be on the images themselves and the truths they tell. - Sean O'Maverick

Actually, Aaron, you accepted an EULA when you started using it. When you buy a house you can't use it for whatever the hell you want either. There are rules and contracts. For that matter, it doesn't seem like any phone manufacturer currently lives up to its claims of openness, but maybe the Android will change things. - Ernie Oporto

hang on Aaron let's get this straight - just because you own the iPhone that by default should entitle you to any application YOU want via the App Store. We are talking about a service that Apple is running for a profit and if I am not mistaken is not implicitly stated as being part of your iPhone purchase but rather a service being made available to iPhone owners. Apple is in the business of making money and the App Store is THEIR platform and they can do what they want with it. - Steven Hodson

That's such bullshit. You're just trying to out-Arrington Arrington in arrogance. No one can even come close to competing with him so give it up. The man plays in a League of One. - Dave "Maverick" Winer

:-) - Dave "Maverick" Winer

@Dave *YAWN* - Steven Hodson

I agree. I also think that it is Sony's playground when it comes ot my TV and they should be able to block all the content they don't want me to watch. And while we're at it, T-Mobile should be able to make sure that Sprint can never call me to offer new services. Yah, this makes great sense. :) - Randy Holloway via twhirl

I don't think Windows users should be allowed to download Firefox. Or iTunes. - Cyndy

Welcome to the more insidious application(s) of the DMCA - Peter Simard

do you really not get the difference here or are you just being daft? Sony is providing a physical device to connect to suppliers of a service - those providers dictate what you see. Apple sells you the iPhone - you own it - Apple provides the App Store as a service they can dictate what goes on it ... is that really so hard to grasp? - Steven Hodson

Ironically, if Windows had prevented installation of iTunes 8.0 a lot of people would've been very happy... I'd go further than Steven -- I think Apple fanbots actually *enjoy* being bossed around by Steve Jobs. Must be some kind of sexual thing. ;-) - Sprague D

Actually, it isn't that different because Apple has a lock on the developers of apps and how apps are installed on your phone. It would be akin to having a Sony DVD player and having to ask Sony what DVDs you could or couldn't watch, knowing that at any time they might disable the ability to play DVDs you already bought. Surely Apple can have some input, but aren't they over reaching here? - Randy Holloway

@Randy I could accept your argument IF Sony was providing those DVDs via a rental service or a download service but they aren't ... they are providing a device that will allow you to play the broadest possible range of media type (movies, music, photographs etc) they are not providing a service which you sign on for to provide those services - Steven Hodson

It was hardly subtle when Google came out emphasising that Android will have a market, not a store for apps. Apple has always been very totalitarian with it's devices, good to see it's finally getting some criticism. - Cains

I could care less.. but the only way Apple will get my business is if this changes. Still don't use a Mac due to overpriced/limited hardware.. and won't buy an iPhone, because they want to limit my choices. This is why my next smartphone will be a WinMo or, hopefully, Android. But then, that depends yet again on the (cellphone) company limiting my choices. - Tim Hoeck

Well, And I hope many developers won't play there. Not all are idiots, who makes themselves dependent on another company's mercy. I wait for Android, instead of this unfree crap. - Ryo

@Rye I have no problem that Apple is charging for the applications - in fact I'm really glad that developers (and Apple) are making money - it's about time we got rid of this idea that software should be free because it's bullshit. My point was that it is silly that people are bitching about Apple doing something they have always done - looked out for their own interests first - screw anyone else - Steven Hodson

@Steve: I don't talk about free as beer, but free as in freedom. A developer WANTED to make money on the App-Store, but it's software was rejected from Apple, because "podcasting" seems to be a competition for iTunes8. Screw Apple. On that other issue, I'm glad not all thinks like an fucking capitalist, and cares about evolving of the software. You can run, but you can't hide from Open Source...sorry. - Ryo

Apple is perfectly entitled to block an app. If you don't like the app store - don't use it. Same with iTunes. If you don't want to buy from the store, buy a CD, rip it and sync it. Its Apples' invention, and you agreed to use it within their EULA. Simple. - Roberto "Maverick" Bonini

@Roberto: I agree. I won't. Apple has the right. So screw that dictatorship "Jobso-Führer" company, and use Androids Marketplace, where EVERYONE can sell their software. Better: If you don't agree with Apples "EULA" (which is unvalid in many countries), don't buy Apple products. BOOM! It's that simple. I've understood. - Ryo

Ryo: Heres the catch. People WANT to use the iPhone becuase it is avaliable NOW ( I'm waiting for Goatberg to review an Andriod phone before saying the iPhone is better). And few people will actually go through the trouble of a jailbreak ( I, for one am not going to bother when I get mine). - Roberto "Maverick" Bonini

In saying that, Android has a much lower barrier to entry for developers than the iPhone does (I would love to write a few apps , but no Mac means no OSX means no Cocca means no apps). It will be interesting to compare the success stories for the two marketplaces once Android is running. - Roberto "Maverick" Bonini

@Steven after reading the comments I must say, Bravo on sticking with your point and following through with your argument. That being said, you've pointed out the ridiculous nature of the EULA in and of itself. I bought the phone, and yeah, if I don't like the App Store I don't have to use it which is why I jailbroke mine. My point is that Apple doesn't want me to jailbreak my phone, and yet they take actions that encourage me to do so. - Aaron Krug

If Apple wants to maintain the keys to their closed system (which is really the villain in this fairy tale) then they need to make it beneficial for me to stay within the walled garden. I chide them for such childish actions (like denying good apps) not only because it is monopolistic but because in the long run they are really just shooting themselves in the foot, ensuring that the black market apps I can only believe the App Store was meant to quash have a place in my downloading queue. - Aaron Krug

@Aaron - thanks :) - Steven Hodson

Dave, I am not sure if this is something worth likiing or not. What's the ultimate purpose? - Michael VanDervort via twhirl

The purpose ultimate or otherwise is just that I thought the pics were interesting. - Dave "Maverick" Winer

I meant HER purpose :) - Michael VanDervort via twhirl

Bush league amateurish behavior. Seriously. - Randy Holloway via twhirl

Anything that could help keep McCain out the Whitehouse is worth liking - Arthur Guy

This will ultimately lead to photoshopped pictures of Obama killing babies. Do you really want to encourage this kind of behavior? Is it productive or rational? - Randy Holloway via twhirl

Time for change, we proclaimed, but a change to more hatred? - Yung-Hui Lim

Randy: you mean, after the Obama sock puppet, Obama waffles, Black House buttons and all the other wonderful little racist paraphernalia, there's still depths that racist dumbasses can plumb? Hmm. I guess they can always photoshop pictures of Obama being lynched, right? - Steven Perez

Steven- I've never personally seen any of the items you mention. And if you're accusing me of racism, you'd better think twice. Racist propaganda is despicable. Just as this picture of McCain as a monster with blood coming out of his mouth is. - Randy Holloway via twhirl

And seriously, are people actually saying that this pic="Obama terrorist" assholery? For reals? That's an equivalency? After all the racist and religious name-calling that the GOP has done, the above photo sets them off? Yeah, right, and the GOP really cares about sexist attacks on Sarah Palin. - Steven Perez

Randy: not accusing you of anything. Just making a point. - Steven Perez

The puppet: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/... - Steven Perez

Oh come now! You guys run ads saying he's a sexual pervert and have the GALL to complain about pictures that make your guy is as old as he actually is? I think he looks pretty good compared to how he actually looks. You guys are out of your fucking minds if you think you're not going to get back ten times the abuse you put out there. - Dave "Maverick" Winer

The waffles: http://ap.google.com/article/A... - Steven Perez

BTW if the Post were really smart and really supported your guy do you think they would put out those pics? I'd have a talk with them. :-) - Dave "Maverick" Winer

The buttons: http://trailblazersblog.dallas... - Steven Perez

And those are just off the top of my head. - Steven Perez

Oh, yeah, I nearly forgot. The Curious George Obama t-shirts: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/... - Steven Perez

I don't get it. :/ - Mattb4rd

I rated it with one star for aesthetic and because I still dont get it. - Andrew Baron

Why is it soo long? Someone tell me the point to this nonsense please! - Sarah Austin

i liked it - i thought it was funny. - Morgan

@sarah a lot of these high-end commercials use :90 format for the web and limited runs and then cut it down in to :60 and :30 spots - Morgan

Here is a screenshot of the account the commercial was uploaded. It looks like I stubbled upon it just moments after it went live: http://flickr.com/photos/andre... - Andrew Baron

What the.... This is it? Cripes. This is more damaging to their image than anything Apple have put out. - Andrew

hilarious. it's good to see seinfeld. and gates is awesome to let himself be parodied like that. - Ranjit Mathoda

Yes, my man Bill is funny. No, your man Steve is not. That is all. :) - Randy Holloway

I'm a huge Seinfeld fan, but that was pretty weak. - Matt

Buy Apple stock! Jerry, buy me a MacBook...iConJohn - john coffey

I don't get it either. these commercials will be a miss. Seinfeld is so "I love the 90s". - Alan Le

Andrew, you're not missing anything. There's nothing to get. A bunch of silly nonsensicle halabaloo. Microsoft continues to be completely out of touch with, everything. Ad campaign FAIL! - John Reynolds via twhirl

I like Seinfeld. I'm still disgruntled with Microsoft. - Chris Menning

I thought it was funny, too. Effective as far as selling or promoting anything, probably not, but I liked it as a standalone bit. - abacab

Well, that felt uninspired. Amusing, though, but not the right way. - W. Thomas Leroux

Other than The Office, Seinfeld is still funnier than most TV today. This commercial could have been good if it had a point. BTW, I saw it during the Giants game, and it still seemed very long. - Chris White

I love that's his jail mugshot on the clown card - joly

I dunno. it was fun to watch. I'm not one who can be convinced by anything MS does to switch back so I guess I can just watch and enjoy Seinfeld do his thing. - Capn' "One-Eye" Longman ☠

Um. No. Gates IS NOT to Microsoft as Jobs is to Apple. Seinfeld draws painful attention to that fact. - rzklkng

The company with the best comedians wins? - Jemm

I guess the point is that Microsoft wants to remind general public of themselves and that they can be sort of funny, too ;) Or maybe the idea comes clear after few ads. - Jemm

But was it really funny? I think *most* people think it wasnt funny. And it has only two stars on YouTube. I complied a list of headlines here: http://dembot.com/post/4888143... - Andrew Baron

it has a "we're one of you, really.. ignore our fortunes, we're *just* *like* *you*" angle to it. I half expected them to have resurrected Al Bundy for the store. I found the windows 1.0 ad with steve ballmer to be funnier! - alphaxion

Oh dear. 3/10. Must try harder Microsoft. And the out-of-sync audio doesn't reflect that well on your brand. - Mike Coulter

No... not this way. Could be just waste of money but after moment of thinking... it's actually working nicely. While it gets negative attention, that is still good for overall ad campaign since it gets people speaking of it. And more time people spend of talking, more closely they remember it. - Daniel Schildt

:) - Paul Buchheit

I wonder who's this evil creator? :P - imabonehead

You are evil, Paul. - Tim Hoeck

i like the 1 comment on his about page: "I’m looking for some help setting up SQL 2005 Web Services. I need some hands on training. Would you be able to help me as a consultant or trainer?" LMAO! - Morgan

Glad you got trash-talked in a way you can enjoy. :-) - Bruce Lewis

my login name is "eviltom" - does that count for anything? - eviltom

I always thought it was brilliant. - Tanath

Better than being the Microsoftian who created the secret motto "Do be evil, but don't tell anyone" - Jason Carreira

It wasn't "trash talk". I don't think any of my comments were disrespectful to Paul personally. I have never been a fan of the slogan and never will be. To each his own I guess. You guys have fun with the discussion, eh? :) - Randy Holloway

I saw "hard to take anyone seriously" as disrespectful and "who created a company motto..." as Paul personally, but maybe that's just me. - Bruce Lewis via fftogo

No problem Randy, and no offense taken. I just thought it was kind of funny :) - Paul Buchheit

Evil is Live when reversed... now, what was the Microsoft's online brand again? ;) - Jemm

Bruce- fair enough. To clarify then, it would be better to say that I don't like that slogan and learning that Paul created it colored my perception of FriendFeed. Others can disagree, no personal disrespect intended. - Randy Holloway

Interesting. I've never particularly cared for Nike's "Just Do It" slogan, but if Dan Wieden (former ad man for Nike) went out and started up a cool new shoelace company, I can't imagine that my distaste for a slogan he created many years ago would in any way color my opinion of his fine, fine shoelaces. - Jeanette Martinez

@Jeanette I agree completely. - Anne Bouey

am i the only one that thinks it's hilarious that a current msft employee would be bagging on a "former" goog employee's not lame new company simply because of a slogan that was part of a (goog) marketing campaign to differentiate themselves from the "evil empire" (msft) - all of which is ancient history - randy here's a clue, if you have to say "no disrespect intended" someone took it as disrespectful, i know i did when i read it - rock on paul, glad you're humored by this :) - mike "glemak" dunn

Paul didn't say “don't be evil” as a marketing slogan. - Amit Patel