totally got a cool idea for new schwag... two items: for new Moms, a friend feed shirt with slots for easy feeding of infants... and for new Pops like Louis, nipple with bottle attachment inserts with one nipple coming out of the first f and the second nipple coming out of the second d... saweet!
- Rob Reed
FF schwag and twins! best picture of the day!
- Sarah Perez
Mega awesome ;) Congratulations to you and your family, like the Friendfeed t-shirt ;)
- Mario Olckers
Tiny... little... eentsy... lumps of yum. There, my estrogen has officially shown itself.
- Carla Thompson
No way - they have FF onesies??? How do I get my hands on one of those?
- Jesse Stay
The Gray family Babies!!!! Sarah and Mathew look sooo cute in your arms! and sooo tiny my goodness!!... still LOL @ Rob's wacky comment..whoa!
- Susan Beebe
fan bloody tastic! So we can post here and Twitterers can comment away without any complaints! The only think you need to try and do is bring in comments (about a share) from twitter into here! :)
- Zee.
This is great...should help new users quite a bit.
- Mark Krynsky
OK, I admit I'm dense. As an existing user will this help me find the folks I follow on Twitter?
- Laura Norvig
Cool, is it possible we could have the ability to bulk import or non-FF Twitter friends as private feeds so we can track them in FF? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Laura, existing FriendFeed users should just go to http://friendfeed.com/friends... and click on the Twittter (and Facebook and Google) icons to find their friends. Kol, not yet, but I'm hoping to add something like that soon (improved imaginary friends).
- Paul Buchheit
Thx, Paul - guess I haven't been to that page since the launch. btw, I'm definitely coming around to the new friendfeed (colors notwithstanding).
- Laura Norvig
Great to see the standards working -OAuth fro Gogole and Twitter login on Friendfeed
- Kevin Marks
That's a great tool, Paul! Found a few from Twitter and Facebook I didn't realise were on FF...:)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Oh man, that is suh-weet. Works really well.
- Laura Norvig
Paul, that would be wonderful, thank you. I'm keen to use FF as a kinda Twitter client. I'd love the ability to import my group I've created on Tweetvisor too but that would additionally require exporting facilities from Tweetvisor, and from asking them they've told me it's low priority (which is fair enough).
- Kol Tregaskes
That's fantastic! Sharing with all of my not-yet-friendfeedified twitter friends. Thanks, Paul!
- Eric Johnson
This IS good. Thanks for the hard work, Benjamin Golub.
- Micah
WOW! 313 new Twitter people! Amazing what the OAuth did. Amazing. That just completely Rocks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That was just too easy, and found a bunch of Twitter people. I just subscribed, but I hope they participate. I'm sure I'll have to trim later.
- Eric
Thanks for everything Benjamin and the others, that is really great. :)
- Alp
I was subscribed to exactly 100 of the people I follow on Twitter. Added 93 more. Funny, this is actually helping me find people I *don't* want to follow in either place.
- Laura Norvig
I'm looking forward to the "advanced imaginary friends" section which lets me as an existing FriendFeed user view all the twitter updates from people that don't use FriendFeed.
- Brian Sloane
Just posted this to my stream then saw this, Cool stuff Paul
- Charlie Anzman
Some time ago I spent lots of time in removing my Facebook-Friendfeed integration, and didn't succeed, Facebook refused to remove it. Since that - no info about any other my services to Facebook, ever.
- orie
Happy to hear that there will be an improved imaginary friend option!
- Jacob
The improved imaginary friend feature will be great. No need to visit Twitter much then!
- Pinksy
FriendFeed is constantly bringing new value to the service. I'm loving it!
- Amie Gillingham
I just imported 8,000 new Twitter friends. Worked MUCH BETTER than last time.
- Robert Scoble
Smart move guys. A quick way to grow FF users is to tap into the current hot properties. Can't believe other Social Networks are so slow to respond.
- Neill Adamson
Paul, is there a way to sync it so that people I no longer follow on Twitter are unfollowed on FriendFeed?
- Jorge Escobar
Great news on the advanced imaginary friends. That plus the ability to comment back to Facebook posts as easily as we reply to Twitter would be killer.
- Kevin Kuphal
Ca passe 50 fois par jour ce truc là sur FriendFeed ! C''est pas possible d'arr^ter, j'en ai marre de le voir franchement ... ^^
- Jean-Marie Gall™
from twhirl
@Robert cannot seem to do that with groups. What I want to do: Concentrate different RSS feeds (e.g. newswires) which do not necessarily have an account in any other social network into one imaginary friend's collection of feeds.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark, "groups" (formerly "rooms") are able to import feeds just like regular users (and imaginary friends). See https://friendfeed.com/xoogle-... for example (imports the blogs of all known xoogle startups). The only thing special about imaginary friends is that they don't have usernames (or rather we assign a random 128 bit username).
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the DM option on imaginary friends should perhaps be removed. Also, imaginary friends do not show up on the search dropdown list when you type in their name in the search box.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paul, is it possible to automatically create "imaginary friends" from twitter following list? What I would like is to read all my Twitter in FriendFeed; many of twitterers though are not on FF, so I have to create them by hand which is tedious. Also, it would be nice to allow to add them to some special list.
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, see my comment up in the middle and Paul's reply. Looks like FF are working on it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Still would like an imaginary friend than making bunch of Groups to simulate peoples that doesn’t use FF. BTW, unlike the Facebook Connect login, when I tried logging in using Twitter, it made a new account for me on FF instead of opening my own (which also has Twitter activity added).
- Natsuki Seika
Well crap... that is not fun. Hang in there Robert (sending rocmanusa a tweet now)
- Brian Roy
I hate that you had to let him go, Robert. I'm sure with your massive following you'll be able to get him hooked up with something else fast.
- David Wilson
Sorry to hear that, Robert. It always hurts when it hits close to home...
- FFing Enigma
That truly sucks. Sadly, there are a lot of other folks out there right now going through a similar experience.
- The original Kevin
maybe you can spread the word on his skills and help hook him up with a new job? surely someone is out there who is looking for someone with his skills?
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Sucks but think big picture. If "this" is one of the toughest days of your life you have led a very very charmed life and should be counting yourself one of the luckiest peeps alive. Walla, now you have the attitude adjustment to go forth and help friend where possible. :)
- SteVe C
It's happening all over. Hope that doesn't add too much to your workload.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert, so sorry to hear that on behalf of RocMan - please send my regards to him. He was one of the hardest working people there.
- Jesse Stay
Wow that is incredibly harsh. It's tough enough when you have to lay off employees in general, let alone someone you considered a friend.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Hang in there buddy. Have unfortunately had too many months of that. Call me if you want to talk to someone.
- Patrick Moorhead
Sorry to hear about @rocmanusa. One of my business contacts was laid off yesterday, so it's all over. And Peter, sorry to hear about your layoff.
- Ontario Emperor
that's too bad. Rocky's a great guy and was a fantastic video editor, producer, friend. Tought times indeed.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh wow, that would SUCK big time!! My heart goes out to you...he was a dear friend and collegue to you... I am sorry **** HUG **** . That is scary too isn't it?!
- Susan Beebe
Sorry, Robert its tough when your friends are laid off
- Kim Landwehr
Bummer Robert. Heartfelt wishes and best of luck to your friend rocmanusa.
- JCunwired
sorry, sometimes i think it's harder psychically on the person doing the layoff than the one cut
- Dan Perlman
from twhirl
That is hard, Robert. I feel for you. @rocmanusa good luck finding something! I am sure @scobleizer will have a great word to help you out! Will root for you!
- Robert Couture
from Friend Deck
Robert that really sucks! And Rocky, I'm sorry to hear you were let go!!!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nothing harder, Robert. I once built an entire news department, only to fire everyone after a 2 year run.
- Doug
Didin't realise it was Rocky till now. Now that really blows, man. Sorry. It sucks. :(
- Roberto Bonini
This is sad. Robert, how many people does Fast Company currently employ?
- Michael Forian
Dozens. Not sure of the whole number because Mansueto Ventures has Inc magazine too.
- Robert Scoble
That sucks, sorry to hear it - and hope Rocky gets straight into a great new gig ...
- Patrick Jordan
Sorry, Robert. It's happening everywhere, but that doesn't make it any easier.
- Louis Gray
Robert, I would only ask you one thing to make yourself feel better (regret is easy-action is harder) and think outside the box: Given the reverse, what would you like your friend to do for you? How far would you go to protect him or her? This is the kind of innovation, gentlemen (and ladies) that we need right now. Rather than hope, DO. DO everything you can to help your friend get a new job. And don't give up until its done.
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: I already have talked with a few people trying to find Rocky a job so I absolutely agree.
- Robert Scoble
{hugs} - I'm laid off too. It's a great time for an entrepreneur to grab a bunch of us talented developers and go into stealth mode on some super awesome new web site. I'm game for sure!
- iTad
Robert: Then you will both be blessed. I will be praying for you both until I hear its accomplished.
- Melanie Reed
It's tough, but i guess it wasn't coming out of the blue. Sometimes good companies just get into this mess because of bad timing. The good news are that some of them might survive the crisis, the bad ones are that no one really knows when this thing is about to end.
- Nir Ben Yona
From the *Wish It Were Not True Dep't* the likely future of Rocky's (and certainly millions of others) INBOX: Month 1: So sorry! Hugs! Month 2: Don't worry, something will turn up. Month 3: Dude, it's just a rough ride for everyone. Month 4: Maybe you should go back to school. Month 5: You just have to "reinvent" yourself ... yes, AGAIN. Month 6: Why didn't anyone speak up back in February and help Make #BasicIncomehttp://usbig.net/ Happen?
- michael silverton
i hate to say this but this should have been private :( there are just things that shouldn't be made public - especially by a boss. good luck to rocky in any case -
- Allen Stern
ooottttaaayyy, that's dreaming. i was finally persuaded the other day to live in the world how it is, not how i would love it to be. (don't you agree you gotta' spot me this one, Robert?) absolutely *not* at Rocky's expense; for honestly, the situation sux beyond belief *heaving sigh of complete empathy* really, we have to think about this on a serious massive scale; we all heard Davos, what are we *doing* about it? are we really going to just sit around believing business as usual will return any day?
- michael silverton
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- Melanie Reed
Hard for both of you for sure. Hang in there @rocmanusa.
- Micah
Already heard that, and I'm sad for both of you. Read my blog from today:-)
- Francine Hardaway
And I hope you didn't do it by email. Like someone did to me.
- Francine Hardaway
I'm a big fan of Rocky but I agree with Alex, not sure if this is appropriate way to announce a layoff... it could come across as being more about you than Rocky, you seem to be getting more sympathy than he.
- Tom Foremski
I hear you, Robert. It is an awful feeling.
- Pete D
You could keep Rocky as a contractor and you'll need to credit him on all the videos he Edited.
- paul mooney
Good talent is rarely out of work for long. Good luck to the both of you.
- MarkCarras
Sorry to hear, Rocky is a fun guy. Looks like a roadie, but much nicer.
- sean percival
:( ... I met Rocky and u while you guys were in HK last year. Can never expect the world change so quickly for the worst.
- Clarence Chiang
Well the good news is they got rid of Ed Sussman already. That had nothing to do with economics
- Marc Canter
Here's where FF fails. "I had to lay off my friend" and FriendFiend says 49 people "liked this." So sick.
- Michael Markman
Robert, I've had to layoff friends. Several times, and it never gets easier.
- Seth Greenblatt
from NoiseRiver
Sorry to hear that, I had to lay off my wife at the end of last year, we have worked together for 12 years.
- John D Reasor
Francine, I agree. I have had the email layoff experience so I can understand how you feel.
- Melanie Reed
This story really illustrates what a CEO friend of mine brings out constantly:is your relationship transactional or relational? Its the paradigm that needs to change. Business and its practices and thoughts have infiltrated our thinking for far too long. The phrase "It's just business." is going to go from grimly and begrudgingly accepted to the painful resentment needed to change it and our behavior towards one another. There are other ways.
- Melanie Reed
Resorting to what's always been done, is indicative of running out of ideas. btw- the CEO I mentioned wants to fight the "Transactional" way we treat all our relationships when it comes to business.
- Melanie Reed
Francine: i did read your post. Damn. I try never to deliver bad news through email. I hate it when people do that to me and I try to treat others the way I'd like to be treated. Allen: good point, but Rocky announced it on Twitter first and for better or for worse I live my life, good and bad, in public. It isn't always comfortable and it isn't always the best thing to do, I'm sure. But I chose to live my life in public and if I only shared the good stuff in my life you'd be seeing an incomplete picture.
- Robert Scoble
Also, my goal now is to help http://www.twitter.com/rocmanu... get a job. One advantage I have is my public network. By getting a crappy situation out here it might help. Already I've talked to a couple of people who saw this news and needed a good video editor.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry to hear Robert and it is great you are helping him. One of the big benefits of social networking
- Rob Cairns
++Melanie, there are global structural changes underway that could well open the door to these paradigm shifts, but prepare for a painful, and stubbornly lengthy transition. What if http://tr.im/ItIsThatBad ?
- michael silverton
Extraordinary: "I chose to live my life in public and if I only shared the good stuff in my life you'd be seeing an incomplete picture." -- RS. I've pointed this out before to others, and RS doesn't need my approval in any way; but this is indeed one of the foundational tenets of @scobleizer's revolutionary lifestyle. I suspect 80% of "followers" haven't the first f'ing clue of the road he's traveled to this point. Yes, Robert, talking about you in ur own thread. Nulle bastardo carborundum, including me.
- michael silverton
Thanks everyone. Got to keep as upbeat as possible.After all, nothing lasts forever. This is yet another test of character for me. I'm up for the challenge. I have to be. Robert, thanks for the memories. Good times, yeah? !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
Geez, sorry to hear about this, you guys were a great team. Lots of hard news for Rocky at all once, keep your chin up, you have mad skills!
- Phil Glockner
it is a sad day for you both, I'm sure. In this hyper connected world this is becoming all too common. We choose to work with people we know and like and then when the business changes... I've been thinking a lot about companies laying off people, then asking consumers to buy. Hey, we're all the same people on both sides of the spectrum.
- Valeria Maltoni
sorry to hear Rocky and Robert, really sad. Good luck Rocky.
- Loic Le Meur
Ugh, the recession is leaving nobody untouched.
- jjprojects
yeah, it's where I spent 99% of my group time on Flickr. It was a *very* uncensored place (i.e. not for people who are easily offended). A few of the admins starting censoring there and then added everyone in the group as an admin in order to kill it. It's a shame there were over 35,000 threads there. So we started a new version of the game here: http://flickr.com/groups/dmu2/
- Thomas Hawk
I'm serious when I say if you join this group on Flickr and are active that you very well may be offended. It really is uncensored and that has attracted some people who definitely want to push the limits of obscenity in some cases. But if you have a super thick skin it can be an interesting photo critique group.
- Thomas Hawk
the one you were banned from Andy was the old one. This is the new one that was started today.
- Thomas Hawk
I like this idea. I wish I had seen the previous version. Just posted a photo to get deleted..
- John Ford
Joined. I also got banned from the last one. I'm joining this one because Thomas is a known face in the group.
- Dylan Parker
I just got banned from it too! Well from a group called "Del*teMe Uncensored! Come in and suck Thomas Hawk's 5D Flickr Group" - their words not mine, Thomas!
- Kol Tregaskes
haha, yeah as the group imploded people could change the title of the group to anything that they wanted. A bunch of people were admins and so they mass deleted everyone who wasn't an admin in the group and hence all of the you've been banned notices.
- Thomas Hawk
It was an interesting 4 year experiment in having an uncensored group on Flickr but ultimately it failed. We're not allowed to mention certain Flickr staff by name in Flickr groups and when I mentioned one Heather said that the post had to be deleted or she'd delete the group. So hence the new group.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm just hoping this group will give me some incite as to how I can improve my photography. If I can get 1 or 2 good pieces of advice per photo I will be happy.
- John Ford
hopefully John, but it can be brutal too.
- Thomas Hawk
Same here, Matt. First timer in that group. Interesting experience so far.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
My first submission was doomed for failure; I posted it purely to see if the criticisms were useful. They pretty much are.
- Randy Hall
I forgot I was a member until I got banned. I thought it was kind of weird, but that explains it.
- Eric P
From the page: "Today, PR is not about messages, although they are in there. It's about telling stories that connect to trends and that are helpful to people, Ken says. You tend to want a better laptop next time you want to buy one. At that point, we want to be there when you need it. We want to help you."
- Ken Kaplan
Nice article, bro! And I shed a tear at mention of Bozman, I miss you guys!
- Randy Hall
"No matter how tempting it might be, we're not going to be mean-spirited and all schadenfreuden over your recent jaw wiring, like some people who are celebrating the fact that it apparently will shut you up for awhile."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
Having been one of the people in Felica's WoW guild, I shudder to think of some of the -- uh -- archetypes represented here. Thank god I am a casual gamer. Nevertheless, The Guild is awesome and enjoyable, even if some of the jokes bring back unpleasant memories.
- Randy Hall
I love love LOVE this series!
- Kim
from feedalizr
I love love LOVE this series!! I'm a casual WoW gamer and all of the little snide remarks all over the place are brilliant :)))
- Kim
from feedalizr
I was implying the baby fever the fairy has at the end. You have to watch the whole thing. Baby Fever, catch it!
- RAPatton
exactly! If that isn't baby fever what is!?!
- RAPatton
the fairy might just be my new favorite character you do! awesome!
- aug
LOL! Having just watched Disney's Faries w/ kidlet (twice) this week-end, that was so disturbingly messed up. Thanks, being hypoglycemic, I needed that to balance the sugar still in my system. Best.Fairy.Evah!
- David Monroe
from twhirl
that rocks! the oscar goes to....Felicia!
- imabonehead
No! Not the puppets again! please! :) (I swear I'm kidding)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
OH G-D not again - now im going to be freaking singing this all night and i need to go to sleep now!!! DAMN YOU WINER! and here i just interviewed your company yesterday! yet i cant stop watching
- Allen Stern
This is a song we sing with the kids all the time. I do the mamomena part and the kids to the "do do do do" part Oops. they say the thumbnail on the screen and want to see it right now :)
- Christian Burns
This is a song often sung in our house - kids love it!
- Bora Zivkovic
Haggis I am now dizzy from watching that cover video :)
- Allen Stern
Dave is evil... this will be stuck in my head for days now... Thanks Dave!!
- Les Zaldor
I had this stuck in my head all day today as well... No good!
- Justin Korn
ok - now im about to lose it - ive been whistling this song for 50 minutes - how will i get to bed now - dave you are getting a noogie when we meet!
- Allen Stern
ok - so the train took forever to come, it's humid and the only thing that kept me smiling was singing this song - people probably thought i was a bit nutty from all the smiling :)
- Allen Stern
Functioning for more than 8 straight hours?
- James Joyner
@James, without degrading services(ie XMPP or @replies) as well
- James Williams
No need. You can can accomplish the same thing (I have) by feeding the RSS from your Twitter Favorites to Twitterfeed, which then pushes them back to your account. As long as you don't favorite more than 5 tweets every 30 minutes (and Twitterfeed is not visited by the whale) you're covered.
- Ignace Rodriguez de R,
From Dave's post: "I'm sure Twitter-only people are sick of hearing it, but FF has mystical qualities that I'm not sure anyone fully appreciates. It reveals little bits of itself to you slowly over time."
- Hutch Carpenter
Mystical or not, having support for imaginary friends is a start.
- Ignace Rodriguez de R,
Grats! The production really is top notch, and you three all have beautiful singing voices. I've already paid the $4 for the season pass at iTunes.
- Randy Hall
Yes I heard this this afternoon! More great PR for you guys. Confirmed that NPR is still cool (even though they cancelled the BPP). LOL @ the NPH = Cuddly, white, polar bear comment.
- David Monroe
from twhirl
Test post for audio enclosures through the FriendFeed API, the audio of the opening scene from The Godfather. The undertaker Bonasera, asks the Godfather for justice. Contains the famous line: "Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me."
No Flash support on the iPhone means no awesome Godfather excerpts :-(
- Mark Trapp
Works for me. Thomas, the reason it doesn't work on the iPhone is that the player is Flash, and of course, Flash doesn't work on the iPhone.
- Josh Bancroft
audio is very cool.. would be nice to be able to listen to favorited songs
- Travis Parsons
The podcast connect betw NewsJunk and FriendFeed is complete, just published the Gnip interview through the API and it came through as an audio enclosure. Here's a screen shot. http://images.scripting.com/archive...
- Dave Winer
Ah, I see it now on the web. Good point about it not working on the iPhone due to flash.
- Thomas Hawk
I believe in America. Perfect first words for first audio post.
- David Newman
Dave, you are the best! This is terrific on XP Pro in IE7, nice UI, good navigation. I'm sure we'll all have Mike Arrington's voice chatting with us soon <vbg>.
- Bill Claxton
Buffering forever, even after the load indicator is all the way across, but I've been having Flash problems since Firefox 2.x (now using 3.0 on XP)--never have been able to properly diagnose. :(
- Steve Lowe
No issues with playback here. Wish it did a countdown of remaining length, though.
- Tim Cooper
Closed and restarted: now it works--didn't change any other settings. Happens like that all the time. Weird.
- Steve Lowe
Works fine for me on Firefox 3 + Flash 9 on WinXP. Bada-bing!
- LouCypher
Once I click play, there seems to be no way to stop or pause the audio (other than turn the volume down)..otherwise it works great
- Peter Cattell
before i hit play, there are two funny looking small play buttons above the blue play button.. FF3/WinXP
- mike
Der, just thought to view them in thumbnail form, which is what they will end up being in the end anyway. Me der...of course I could crop one too...
- Felicia
I've felt this way about blogs versus newspapers for quite a while now, having seen bloggers (even wine bloggers) scoop newspaper stories by weeks, if not months. The ridiculously local focus of some bloggers (and their ability to get tied in locally in a way that regional newsrooms can't) means that a blog can break a story that eventually gets picked up (or found on its own) by a newspaper or newsroom for broader dissemination.
- Randy Hall
And raise and lower prices with 1 day of backlash ... I'd say more Jobs than Apple. Incredible
- Charlie Anzman
Great post! All in all, I'd say Apple is better-positioned to weather this "storm" than Microsoft would be (not that *that's* the competition at hand): 1) they can probably react quicker to make the fixes necessary (Microsoft REALLY needs to overcome their "build lethargy" and be more nimble in that regard) and 2) the fanbase & the detractor base is much more forgiving of Apple-the-up-and-comer than they are of Microsoft-the-evil-behemoth.
- Craig Eddy
Good point! Apple is the only one that can do that. Any other company would get flames!
- fbrunel
It means that products are so good that people can endure anything for getting them.
- fbrunel
I'm trying to want to go get an iphone.. really. Can someone tell me something it does that I need? Specifically, I'm rarely more than 5 minutes away from a computer so I'm struggling with upgrading my 40$ att plan to a $100 one? I passed the first time around, but I serious need a new phone and waited for launch hoping to be wowed.
- Doug Brooks
I still can't download the iPod touch firmware. I wondering if I ever will be able too.
- Jim Williams
Robert, I think you're right about nothing else coming close to the iPhone. But I'll tell you what - I wouldn't repeat today's frustration. As someone once told me "one 'oh, shit' cancels five 'atta-boys'." Let's all learn something from this.
- Tom Landini
I can't even fully describe exactly why I love my first iPhone. It's just amazing, despite the activation problems. Long term, Apple will recover from this hurdle...and I'll buy iPhone 4G!
- Brian Wilson
I bitch. But you know I have to agree as well.
- MG Siegler
So Robert, was the atmosphere in line as interesting as it was while waiting for the original iPhone? Was it worth being in line from the social aspect? Do you think you will bother waiting in line for the third gen iPhone?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Funny, but I never have any such issues with my blackberry - no queues, no activation nightmares. I still say it's the corporate choice...
- Tom Quinn
Jeff: I only waited in line a couple of hours. The Palo Alto store is geekier but last year was extraordinary. The lines were fun, though.
- Robert Scoble
Just linked to the piece ... bottom line ... it's true :)
- Charlie Anzman
I waited in line 4 hours in NJ. Well worth it! Better than my stupid work Blackberry.
- Ernie Oporto
hmm let me try a different approach.. does anyone know if you can return a phone and cancel a plan if it's not your thing?
- Doug Brooks
I agree, it was worth it. Nice article Robert.
- Eric Thompson
It just amazes me that microsoft, sony, google, nokia et alia have let Apple get away with this massive coup. They must have all seen the iphone coming a mile away and yet all these years later none of them has yet managed to launch a decent competitor. How hard is it just to copy?
- Charlie
The reasonaApple gets away with it is they appeal to the desire to feel elite and special. Features wise the iPhoen is sadly lackign and the companies support for it is miserable. They picked the worst carrier on earth to boot. But since they can make folks feel special for having one, they win the mindshare. The same 10% will pay any price to get that feeling.
- Soulhuntre
from feedalizr
"Apple is an amazing company. One that can abuse you, and make you love it at the end of the process. " I've dated women like this. :)
- Adam Turetzky
CHarles - why copy it? Honestly. No MMS to speak of, a bad camera, no video, no copy / paste, no background tasks, weak gps, locked in OS and a difficult developer kit. Yes, it loosk cool... but other than that the hardware and software is well below current standards for Blackberry and Windows Mobile systems. I know, I'm a heretic.
- Soulhuntre
from feedalizr
Not loving Apple today-- My cool aid appears to be tainted
- Mark Nassal
from twhirl
It really wasn't so bad at all. The launch today was a bottleneck of too many people and: 1) not enough technology (the servers), and 2) knowledge (AT&T). I was inconvenienced for a while in the afternoon, but once the servers opened back up, It was all systems go with the 3G and I was back in a state of wonder at what a great product this is.
- Steve Isaacs
Did you really cut the line with your son? Just to be first?Tell me, was it worth it? How many people were there before you? Do you really think that it was fair, or are you both that "special" that you get to jump the line. I am sorry, but to brag about jumping the line is tacky. You didn't even acknowledge, nor thank those who supposedly let you jump the line. Talk about gratitude or lack of. Oh well.
- Becca
The moral of the story, son... it's good to be King (Douchebag)
- Shawn Collins
I thought he jumped the line so he could film the event, not to get his own iPhone.
- Victor Ryden 美久太阿
RAK: I didn't cut in line. I was invited into the line by the group of people in the front. Everyone saves spots. We did it last year for people, too. Or did you forget that I bought Dave Winer and Steve Gillmor's iPhones last year? (I waited in line, they did not).
- Robert Scoble
In the meantime, new iPhones are now selling on Ebay for close to $2,000 :-) Definitely worth the hell... ;-)
- Jesse Stay
They should have put big hamster wheels along the lines, so that people waiting could get some exercise.
- Tal Ater
Hamster wheels a good idea - we should get them to generate electricity by connecting them to the grid - the queue could get some excercise and actually do something useful
- Brian Sullivan
Glad to hear your son made it out of there ok. :)
- David Cook
some of the comments I saw before they got deleted were maybe harsh but they weren't personal attacks. they were about the quality of the show not about attacking you or shel. you just deleted every negative comment.
- Marcel Weiß
All comments except one sycophantic one was deleted. And that one looked like it was written by PR. I am really surprised. My suggestion would be to turn off comments. FastCompany is a censor? That's not something their PR people would like as a lead item.
- Frank Roche
To all the folks crying here -- Here is an idea. Create a better show you can. And please don't whine if your comments got deleted. Don't want to get your comments deleted - here is an idea - setup your blog, write a blog post on your blog criticizing to your hearts content. Nobody will delete that.
- Vic Podcaster
Is there any way to delete @vic's comment here? It seems overly negative and sarcastic.
- Frank Roche
This cottage industry that has formed around criticizing Robert and Shel is getting tired and worn. I think the people who are complaining are being disingenuous when they say they are just looking after SAP's money. No one seems to complain about the production quality of certain poorly lit loudmouths spewing in front of an isight. The censorship issue is clearly a red herring. I think someone is jealous of a couple of guys who actually have a sponsorship.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The comments were attacks and were not constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please define "constructive criticism" as you see it. It makes no sense that some of those comments were deleted.
- Slobokan
@Scoble - you are normally pretty open about stuff. But your reply seems like a pretty lame cop-out.
- Tom Quinn
blackmailismylife: well, we judged them as attacks. There is, like Jay noted, a group of anonymous people who are just saying negative things about Shel in a way that's personal and attackive. I'm not going to put up with it anymore, at least on FastCompany.tv. Wanna do it somewhere else, like here, fine.
- Robert Scoble
Constructive Criticism: next time ask a question without saying "um." Attack: you're an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
Jay: that's cool. Comment policy is important. It's not that I'm getting it right. I used to be far more open to letting people post whatever they want, but I'm definitely changing my view to match what you posted.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: we wrote a book together, are friends, and I like him a lot -- he's helped launch dozens of companies in Silicon Valley. Loyalty in life has served me well.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: well, there will be major changes to the show starting on Friday. I'd love to hear your feedback about how the show goes. Your feedback IS being heard.
- Robert Scoble
1938 should shut up and move on. This crap only gets press because people keep trying to create a scandal.
- Andrew Ruess
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- Oldengrey (Jay)
Trying to create a scandal? Naw, I don't think so. I think people are just concerned about legitimate comments being deleted from fastcompany.tv. It reeks of censorship from within, and it does not look good from the outside.
- Slobokan
Censorship is an issue here. Deleting comments after the fact is not a good thing. If you don't have a policy then at least have comments placed in moderation first so they never appear. The fact that they were public and then removed just looks bad.
- Tom Quinn
Only one of the negative comments was preserved in Google's cache, but I for one would have left it up. Yes, it included the statement "Shel...do yourself a favor and go away," but it did include a valid comment about having the subject of the video actually appear within the first two minutes of the video.
- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor: Just Googled the comment you mentioned. Reading the whole comment I can see why it was deleted. Have I read worse comments on say Digg? Yes, but let's agree it would have been fine for the person to leave their feedback that they wanted to see the guest Tim Ferris before 2:27 minutes into the show, sign their name to it, and leave it at that.
- Loren Heiny
Someone should setup a comment mirror site or a wayback machine of sorts for blog comments.
- Eddie Codel
Sometimes bad PR may be good PR and I wanted to watch the interview myself: But I have a question Is there a low(er) bandwidth feed available, preferably without Flash?
- Arnd Gronenberg
Lots of professional media sites remove comments for a number of reasons. I'm happy to review the comments again tonight, but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC) were that they were pretty classic “troll” attacks. Sites such as NewYorkTimes.com review all comments for personal attacks before posting comments and we have adopted a considerably more open policy than this. But we'll consider all suggestions as to how we should handle our comment policy.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: that's not constructive. How would you improve them?
- Robert Scoble
You know who you remind me of? The U.S. Government, you subdue all dissenters
- Andrew Fielding
Andrew: really? I didn't delete your comment here, so that proves you are wrong. There are plenty of ways for you to make personal attacks on the Internet. It's just that we're not going to let you do that on our properties. That's what Valleywag, your blog, or FriendFeed is for.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: I'll personally review your comments shortly, it's also possible our spam filter is catching some of them. A couple of mine are held in moderation too.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see the big deal. People need to stop hyping this up. Companies have a responsiblity to mitigate risk. Taking down hate speech, abusive language, etc. is not a bad thing. Scoble can use FF, and/or his blog to 'keep the conversation' pure if needed. It's not like FC is the ONLY place for a discussion to occur. 1938media needs to chill.
- Ryan
@Robert - this can be an important point "but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC)" - does that mean you and Shel (and I haven't watched, so I don't know) did or did not participate or direct the deletion? Maybe there should be some way to keep the comment, since part of it could be useful, and delete the personal attacks with [PA deleted by admin]
- Sean
Don't see what a lot of people are complaining about. FastCompany has every right to remove comments from their own site. If anyone is upset by this they can post their comments elsewhere. It's not like there's nowhere else to post such comments.
- Paul Grav
Thanks for posting the link - but your terms of service open to a blank page (checked on several browsers) and are on fastcompany.com rather than fastcompany.tv - there's no link at all on the fastcompany.tv site - how is someone to know what the comment policy is? Can anyone actually open the terms of service link on fastcompany.com??
- Matt Craven
Sean: Shel was not involved in deleting the comments. My bosses told me they were doing that and I agreed with them. So, the responsibility is mine, but there is a team watching the comments and deleting ones that aren't constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Seth -- I'm wondering if there's a way to be constructively attackive or if being attackive is inherently personal and destruckive.
- Omar Gallaga
I wasn't making a personal attack, I was just saying using a politically charged analogy to say that I believe deleting anything other than spam or vulgar comments is something that shouldn't be done as it blocks the ability for other readers or viewers as it may be in your case, to see what others are thinking. I do however appreciate that you are taking a stance on this and looking in to it. I was going to say more but it seems that there is a maximum limit for comments on FF.
- Andrew Fielding
Strange, the Service Terms won't load for me. No 404, just no content at all. I value sites that remove nonsense comments and spam, but often find the legitimately critical comments the most interesting. The grey area, of course, is tough, and will obviously piss off people one way or the other. Sometimes the "x comments below your threshold" approach is worth the complexity. Let people see the nonsense if they really want to.
- David Sky
Think you could take a hard lesson from @garyvee - Leave everything up. Taking stuff down leads to harsh discussions like this. Leaving it up rallies your supporters and in the end leaves you better off.
- Mark Drapeau
Weird, I'm getting a blank page now too. I'll get the tech guys to figure that one out. Sorry. I think a server is barfing.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: good point, but this is a business site and we're looking for a different tone to the comment area than, say, you'll see on Gary Vaynerchuk's site, or here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't really understand why you folks think that you have some sort of "right" to have your comments--legitimate or otherwise--displayed on FastCompany's site. I'm not a big fan of the material, but I sure don't have any expectation that FC will "publish" my feedback, even if it is constructive. If you want free/open conversation, you have blogs, FF, twitter... lots of venues. Nobody's "rights" are being violated.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Scoble...if this was still your personal site with no affiliation with FastCompany, SAP or any other, would you have handled this the same way?
- ryangraves
At the end of the day, it’s the right of the owner of the blog to have whatever TOS they want. People have to expect that a more mainstream pub will have stricter policies than a personal blog five people read anyway, no? Still, that’s no guarantee because everyone runs things differently. (Just scan the crap on Huffington Post, YouTube or Breitbart and see that TOS mean jack there.) I’ve also seen personal blogs ban people for things like opposing viewpoints. Bottom line: It’s FC’s blog—it’s their rules.
- mtlb
I have to agree with Mark Drapeau. No matter what, it is just better to leave stuff up and let things run their course. If someone attacks and what not, they will slowly lose credibility, even if it doesn't seem that way. I do agree that having people post insulting things is never wanted. When you take an action though you'll always have those ready to pounce and try and discredit you, etc. Just everything in my involvement with online communities has taught me that. Delete dups and link porn lol
- Dean Clark
ryangraves: I've been deleting comments on my personal site too and blocking people here on FriendFeed. I've had enough of jerks in my life. I don't need to have them part of my life anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Ken -- I think it's because people expect guys who are covering Web 2.0 culture to approach it in a Web 2.0 way, not in a "We own this site and can do whatever we want with your (unnecessary) participation" kind of way. I think that's what's angering people. And given the potshots Scoble regularly takes at "Old media" I find it ironic.
- Omar Gallaga
@Mooney: what confuses me is why you or anyone would even want to insult Scoble. he does a very specific thing for a specific audience. he gets incredible access to great companies and people who open up to him because he is genuinely interested in them. that is a rare, valuable thing. he is not the most polished journalist in the world but i and many others are okay with that. i don't like airbrushed journalists who tick off the whos, whats, wheres and whys and move on.
- mike
Dean: I disagree with you. I used to agree. But then I look at how Digg has gone downhill and how YouTube's comments are totally worthless. Omar: Web 2.0 does not mean you have to put up with jerks or trolls. Sorry. If I ever gave you that opinion, then I was wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew, philosophically i agree with you...but anyone who has run some kind of online forum or even blog comment section can tell you that if you let really aggressive, insulting comments become a regular thing, it can drive away the majority of users who would otherwise have a productive discussion. it's fast company's house and they can throw out whoever they want for whatever they want. that ability can be abused but in this case i think they did the right thing. especially since robert is talking here
- mike
I didn't see the comments, but I saw the video and I wish you had asked Tim more about BodyQUICK. I had to look long and hard to find the ingredients and then showed them to a Herbolist. She was very familiar with all the compounds, but laughed because the best of them would have been cheaply sourced and in minuscule quantities and the rest were fillers.
- paul mooney
Paul: I agree. I'm still trying to figure out where that line is too.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, personal attacks ought to be axed but the line is fuzzy. I say err on the side of letting negative comments stay and address them head on. A negative comment, even one with a personal attack element, if properly addressed will usually do the trick, at least for the onlookers-- you will not sway the detractor, however. And like David Sky, I find the dissent worthy of notice, not negation.
- Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius
Joseph: I used to agree. But if you let unconstructive comments run rampant it just takes over the tone and things turn worse and worse. It's one thing to do something simple like "I sorta like what you're doing, and here's how to make me really like it..." But it's a whole nother thing to come in and just try to make people feel bad. One is a constructive conversation, the other is just "I'm here to make a political point and rip you down." Er, "I wanna be a jerk."
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: why trust a content site at all? Either you like the content you see there, or you don't. If you care about the stuff you see there, but would get a little more enjoyment out of it if it were a little different, then let's have a conversation about that.
- Robert Scoble
Might it be best to deal with this sort of situation by just following a policy of turning off all comments? I don't just mean on this post in particular, but blogs in general. Push the conversation to platforms like Twitter, FriendFeed, the commentator's own blog, etc. Everybody is free to say what they'd like to say, nobody's forced to provide a platform/audience for views they don't agree with, but yet the material/discussion is still out there for anyone who wants to see it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Should the presidential candidates each have to provide some amount of time, on their dime, at the end of their ads/speeches for the other candidate to respond?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken -- that's a dumb analogy and I mean that in the kindest, most constructive way possible.
- Omar Gallaga
If people dont have the brains to make decent comments, or the balls to name themselves, who cares if they are removed. Robert - Shel, just keep doing what you do well guys.
- Scott Purdie
I admit it. I've deleted some blog and forum comments too as well as edited out foul language when needed--though I'm more likely to delete than edit. Editing doesn't seem right. I've also walked away from people that want to endlessly argue about one thing or another, hung up on sales reps calling me and thrown away unopened mail. Should we require everyone to attend to everything anyone wants to say to them?
- Loren Heiny
Mike, i have had leadership roles at forums and on large IRC channels and i know it is hard to police and I also know from experience that annoying and unproductive comments make serious people less enticed to contribute but I also believe that good constructive criticism that is not overtly complimentary has an important place in the discussion (comments as it may be) as well. From what i can tell, some of the comments that were deleted fit this description while others were clearly personal attacks.
- Andrew Fielding
...(continued) that obviously did deserved to be either completely deleted or have specific parts of content censored. .... on a completely different note, I thought FriendFeed had no limit to the size of entries, i keep running into the fact that comments are limited in lenght, argh.
- Andrew Fielding
@Nicholas James I've had personal attacks taken on me in various forms at various locations and I take it all in good fun, if someone is wasting their time to make a personal attack on me I figure that means i've done something well enough to garner their attention and make them feel that i warrant a personal attack, this is all about each person's individual philosophy and what we believe should be the presiding philosophy in this instance.
- Andrew Fielding
On my blog, I ask ZDNet to kill all personal and nasty comments. Those comments inhibit serious discussion among other participants.
- Michael Krigsman
I admin a large online community. You have to be very strict moderating and remove personal attacks immediately. You also have to be very consistent. Leaving attacks up for a long time and then taking them down is the probelm here, you have set the wrong precedent. I agree that personal attacks should be removed but you need to do it consistently from now on.
- Chris Paton
I don't thnk comments need to be constructive though. It's fair to say the videos are not very good without offering solutions (as long as it's said in a non-offensive way). I personally have enjoyed watching many of the videos. Scoble and Shel are not TV personality types, they are just two geeks interested in what they are discussing. If they are discussing something I find interesting too I don't mind if they are sometimes little too close to the mic.
- Chris Paton
@mooney - you said, "Robert: You do understand how horrible your fastcompany.tv videos are?" that is pretty insulting.
- mike
@Andrew Fielding - point well taken. didn't mean to imply lack of experience. just trying to make a point that you obviously already understood. :-) and yes the limit on comment size is frustrating....usually leads me to only putting one space between periods and the next sentences.
- mike
Robert: You are getting it right, especially in the charity you grant differing views. This is the Slashdot vs Digg argument rehashed. Discussion management is the factor which determines your target audience. Slashdot routes around this with their own elaborate moderation/sliding scale system which allows individuals to decide what level of cruft they wish to be exposed to. You are catching flak due to *all powerful* editors making that decision for the populous. A common gripe when editors decide.
- Matt Bidinger
@scobleizer Man, this comment thread is soooooooooooooo 2003 ;-)
- Hugh MacLeod
I agree with hugh... you should delete the whole thing and see how loud that makes the moaning and wailing! ;) Only kidding. Seriously tho... you have every right to say whatever you want on your own blog, FF, Twitter, and any other platform that allows you to say it. You do NOT have the right to say it on my blog, FF, Twitter, or any platform that I have control over. It's reality people. Learn to cope.
- Lucretia Pruitt
So what is the issue here? Pretend I'm new. Is this a matter of censorship vs freedom of speech? Is this a matter of personal attacks vs constructive criticism? Either way isn't that all best seen from the eyes of the person who has control to allow or decline those comments? No where am I shown that I am commanded to let people say anything they want on my sites.
- Mike Lewis
@Mike Lewis No. This is a matter of transparency. Fast Company seems to think they are above it. Hugh: Go back to the bar and shut the fuck up.
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Simple solution - someone will register slowcorporationtvsucks.com (or perhaps even use the fastcompanytv name - it may be legally allowable in this instance). Only negative comments will be allowed. Verizon can sponsor to show that they "get it." Whatever "it" is.
- Ontario Emperor
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Loren apparently thinks "transparency" implies some kind of obligation to provide a platform for racist fuckwits and their sock puppets.
- Karim
Wow, this is one of the most serious discussions on FriendFeed ... I definitely agree with Robert on this one ... I think everyone deletes personal attacks ... u don't need a policy ... it is a rule of thumb in blogging
- Nick O'Neill
Jack, they dropped the price on the old units to $349 at the Drobo site. I think either one is a great deal. For someone that doesn't really need the 2x faster speed (eg. RAW archive storage) the V1 is probably actually the better way to go.
- Thomas Hawk
Couldn't find a supplier for this in Portugal, Damn!
- Mário Pires
Thomas, I tried using the Drobo as primary storage (Aperture Library and files) and I found it a little too "choppy" when editing. I also work with a lot of video and would love to try the FW800 interface for some of that (even as scratch space). I think I'll keep the 1.0 for offsite backup as you suggested in your post.
- Jack Baty
Although not listed Expansys.pt carries the Drobo :)
- Mário Pires
Jack, that's exactly how I'd look at this. The new ones are probably great for Lightroom, Bridge, Aperture, Photoshop where you are going to be actively working with the files and the older model great for less active storage.
- Thomas Hawk
Although I will say, I'm using one of my V1 drobos to store 110,000 mp3s and about 60,000 JPG images and it serves up all of these files to my Media Center PC and 3 XBox 360 extenders without a hitch perfectly.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I might pick up a Drobo 1.0 for a lower price now that the 2.0 is out. Definitely looks like a REALLY good backup solution.
- Matt Donders
I'm torn between getting a new one or an old one. Or, more likely, neither for the foreseeable future.
- James (@willia4)
Matt, for the price I think it's the best thing out there right now. You still need to consider off site storage, but I think this is the best device out there today to protect people against losing data in hard drive failures. My recommendation would be the cheaper V1 for archive stuff and the more expensive newer faster V2 for heavily accessed files or things like Lightroom, Aperture, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
Are they going to keep selling the older model for a while?
- Mike Wills
Can you slap the drives out of the old Drobo into the new without loss or rebuilding?
- Kreg Steppe
The Drobo listed only list a usb 2.0 interface, probably is still the 1.0 version.
- Mário Pires
wow that was quick, I didn't think it would happen for a month or more; and 1394b to boot.
- clarke thomas
Ok jumping off the fence, now I have to figure out the money situation.
- Wes Hoogenboom
Glad to finally see Firewire 800 support. Would have liked to see Ethernet also, maybe the next gen will have it.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Well, I guess I am running out of excuses on why to not buy a Drobo.
- Kortney Jarman
Mike, it's my understanding that they will keep selling the discounted old units until they run out of them. Not sure how long they'll last.
- Thomas Hawk
Kreg, not sure on that question. I'll ask Tom though.
- Thomas Hawk
While I'm excited about the new version. I'm more excited about the plans Drobo has with the SDK. http://www.drobospace.com/page.... I can't wait to have rsync running natively between my local drobo and a remote drobo without needing a computer on the far end.
- Mark Anderson
ordered, had 2 TB drives I hadn't plugged in yet, bought 1 more, now 2.7TB available with Drobo, go here for cheap TB drives $165 http://tinyurl.com/6m447n
- clarke thomas
If anyone from Germany/Europe is interested: Here it's selling for 379 Euros and is available today.
- Holger Eilhard
Cool. I really ought to get one of those, plus a bunch of cheap 320GB hard drives to mirror/stripe data across.
- Morton Fox
Right now, I'm thinking a 2.0 Drobo with three 500GB drives which would give me almost 1TB of usable space for $725. Not too shabby.And of course, there'd still be an empty drive bay that I could fill in later. Maybe by the end of the year...
- James (@willia4)
Normy, it looks like a nice product, but if you really want to back up your photos you need to do it off site in case of fire, earthquake, emp or [fill in disaster here]. Isn't that right, Sammy?
- RAPatton
A FedEx box with a Drobo in it seems like a reasonable off-site backup strategy to me. The bandwidth could be pretty good on that; but the latency would kill you.
- James (@willia4)
I just did the math. If you shipped 2TB and it took a week to get there, that would be equivalent to 27.7 megabits per second. That's much better than the few hundred kilobits/s I get from my cable modem.
- James (@willia4)
I think an offsite backup strategy is an absolute must. These drobos are great in protecting you against hard drive failure but fire, theft, flood, earthquake, etc. could all still kill it. At least with your most precious files you should still back these up to another drobo or at least an external hard drive and give it to a friend/family who preferably lives at least in another state if not country.
- Thomas Hawk
One of the things that I do with my music is that me, my brother and one other friend all pooled our ripped CD mp3 files together. Now we all have a copy of the music library. Even back before Drobo days when I lost a bunch of music with a disc failure I was able to get it back by getting a copy of our music archive from my friend. Plus your friends get to enjoy your music as well. Fair use at it's finest.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Amazon S3 as a viable offsite backup solution. I imagine (though I don't know for sure) that S3 is mirrored and/or striped storage that is backed up itself.
- Randy Hall
I agree that if you are really serious about your backup strategy, offsite storage is a must. I live in Alaska, so giving my spare external hard drive to someone out of state is difficult. For now I just bring it to my folks' house (about 20 miles away), and swap the 2 out about once a month. This won't protect me from a major disaster, but I'm at least protected against fire and theft.
- Brandon Wood
Kreg, got an answer back to your question about swapping drives out of a V1 drobo and putting them in a V2 drobo. From Tom at Drobo: "Absolutely! We are going to add this question to the FAQ shortly..."
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I still think you should take a look at the HP Media Server (windows home server OS) - similar money to the Drobo but is much more than a NAS or external drive bay.
- Martin Taylor
Sweet. Glad to see him standing up for his rights.
- Raoul Pop
Hehehe. Good ol' bobbies on the beat, eh? I think I'm buying a megaphone soon, can't trust them bobbies you see. Thanks for passing it on Thomas.
- Roberto Bonini
Agree with the message but hate the transmission over bullhorn. I was sort of hoping they were gonna give him a beat-down.
- Andrew Smith
Stand up for your rights, fellow photographers!
- Daniel van Moll
I'm glad the photographer did this. We need these "rebels" to keep society regulated. I strongly believe that.
- jonn
That's great! That needs to happen more often, in more places. As it becomes more and more common for the police/security to harass photographers, I am seriously considering adding a cheap video recorder to my bag.
- Jeremy Brooks
I demand a photographers' rights flashmob.. right next to a secured area with lots of police. Imagine... hundreds of photographers jumping a secured area shooting thousands of pictures and then disbanding quickly...
- Daniel van Moll
Awesome. I guess the policemen didn't see this one coming. Good job!
- Holger Eilhard
Very Berkeley-like way to express oneself. Was pleased at first, then after the first 30 seconds, started to feel uncomfortable that the "bullhorn bloke" was still going.
- Randy Hall
In times like these you need to be brave or a nutter to stand up like that. It's a shame that it's even necessary.
- Victor