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Cee Bee

is this the new hotness in russia now? really?

March 31 - Comment - Like - Share

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kids really need to find something better to do with their time than this - Cee Bee

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Whoa. - Michelle Martinez

Considering that these trains are typically less than top notch russian machines it wouldn´t surprise me if something unexpectedly non-aerodynamic stuck out underneath of the trains sometimes which would make the girl just disappear. - Thomas Bøhm

WTH! - Shevonne

It's all fun and games until someone is turned into a 2D paste. - mikepk

It's all Darwin could hope for. Let them continue doing this and not breeding. - Morgan Haley

Really stupid! - Alooche

@mikepk: then its hilarious. - Jens Christian Freund

عجب خریه این یارو :دی - Pert

+1 Morgan. - James Ferguson

it's not Russian train.... - Kick the baby

I feared that comment, zhinzher:) Although I assumed from the title, I would say the same even if it was a Norwegian train. The stupidest place to do this would be in front of magneto trains in Japan though;) - Thomas Bøhm

ok :))) - Kick the baby

well, apparently the source claims these are from russia: http://englishrussia.com/... - Cee Bee

omg, i was wrong.. it's R2 old russian train. - Kick the baby

+2 morgan and OMFG - Caroline

Insane! - Jeff P. Henderson

These idiots should take a look at ogrish, rotten, or something like that, and then think about it a little bit. You only have 1 life, after it's game over. Dumbs.... - TiTi

my friend : " DAMN. THEY NEED TO MAKE BETTER VIDEO GAMES in that country" - Caroline

Да чувак это так=)))) - Amfitoz

Greetings the dude, I from Moscow. Yes it at us now new entertainment such =) Check on boldness =) - Amfitoz

Not more stupid then that http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Artemko

:O( It's totally stupid!!! They need a place to go, to do things that matters instead of this.. - Jeannette Høvring

oehh - Shere Khan

crazy kids. - Parvez Halim

Previously: http://friendfeed.com/paul... - Pat Rice

Natural selection. But really, after seeing how much they drink, not surprised. - Will Higgins™

Jackass Russian Style - VAL D.

Kamilah Gill

Very important question: Does anyone know if another website has a feature that works the same way as Best of Day here on FF? I need to know this just in case FF does disappear. My daily art has been depending on it. I could probably cobble together my own source of inspiration, but I think I'd be in a lot of trouble without FF.

October 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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By same, I mean it has pictures, and there are groups of friends, and the service automatically decides whose entry is the most popular for the day. I don't want it to be too wide open, because then it gets too random and stops being as interesting to me. - Kamilah Gill

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I'm not sure, but it seems like some Flickr groups might have that. - Rochelle

Can anyone here elaborate on Flickr's possible Best of Day-like features? - Kamilah Gill

depends how you use them but both posterous and tumblr can be quite good for gaphic inspiration. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Joelle, do either of those have ways to sort things out by how popular they are? - Kamilah Gill

try http://www.tumblr.com/popular and http://www.tumblr.com/popular... - but which kind of inspiration are you looking at, visual or topical, discussions or images? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

On Flickr, you could pick stuff off the "Explore" page: http://www.flickr.com/explore/ or http://www.flickr.com/explore... - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

There is also a calendar of "interestingness" http://www.flickr.com/explore... - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

some flickr groups are awesome, there's one around illustration http://www.flickr.com/groups... which I love to visit - others are imagination http://www.flickr.com/groups... experimentation http://www.flickr.com/groups... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I'm looking for visual inspiration. Images. Not necessarily the the shiny happy types of images that are always popular on Flickr and all around the web. I like the rough edges and personal level of images that I get from Friendfeed. Is there a way to get the most popular images from just your own circle of friends or subscriptions within one of these services? Thanks so much for the links. These are some places to start. Hopefully, though, per Paul's latest news, I won't end up needing any of them :) - Kamilah Gill

You can get the most recent photos from your contact list; I'm not sure if there's a most popular feature. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

John, I really love the *idea* of that Flickr calendar, thanks for the link. There's a pretty high "shiny happy" calendar-ready quotient going on there, though. Flickr's interesting isn't my interesting. If I see one more puppy in a hot dog bun, I'm gonna pu--Blarrgh!!! I like what Tumblr has going on, too. Can you get that view for just tumbleogs you're subscribed to? - Kamilah Gill

Some of the popular Flickr pictures are a tad too sugary. I'm not sure about Tumblr's features. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

I just was to facebook (the lite version) and i saw a TopStories link at the top. Maybe that's what you're looking for. - Bicentennial (Franc)

Franc, that new feature is close to what I'm looking for. It doesn't work nearly as well as over here (and I need to subscribe to some better people and just hide some others), but it could work in an emergency. - Kamilah Gill

they say ff is not going anywhere, back up your art on a free wordpress/blogger/posterous/tumblr blog it would have a wide response too :) good luck - ffcode

Jackie Ng

8 Analytics apps for Twitter - http://www.goldenblogging.com/8-analy...

October 25 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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For those who’d like to delve a little deeper in to Twitter’s statistics, there are a number of handy apps you can use to analyize data. Some uses for these apps would be to track your brand name, see the data behind trending topics & to analyize your own followers. In this post I will be taking a look at some of the better applications. - Jackie Ng

Zee. to Zee.'s feed, TheNextWeb Forum, RWW: The Future of Tech

The light bulb that lasts 25 years goes on sale - http://thenextweb.com/2009...

October 25 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Guy Kawasaki

Five really clever ways to use Twitter http://om.ly/SOXQ

October 25 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Osman F. Küçükerdem to Osman's feed, Social Media

Advertisers and Niche Social Networks ... http://howtostartasocialnetwork.com/2009...

October 25 - Comment - Like - Share

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Niche networks are growing and fragmenting. Larry Weintraub of Fanscape says, “…we’re going to see even more fragmentation when it comes to niche social networks, and then you’re going to see niche-niche social networks.” - Osman F. Küçükerdem

l0ckergn0me

Yoga - It Does a Body Good - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

October 25 from Flickr - Comment - Like - Share

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Mona Nomura

Windows 7 Whopper with 7 patties. Filed Under: Only in Japan #dasmypeopleyo - http://mona.posterous.com/windows...

October 23 from Posterous - Comment - Like - Share

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Posted via web from Mona's Posterous - Mona Nomura from Posterous

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whopper has some tumor or what? - A.T.

but this must pale compared to an epic one that must have accompanied the launch of Win 95... - 9000

Not to mention Windows 2000 - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

"only in Japan" because in California, you can just order a 7x7 (or more) from In-n-Out. - Andrew C

how many calories is that thing? OMG! - Bryan Lee

^^^ "contains enough energy to run Windows 7 for %how_many% hours!" - 9000

Mashable

Facebook’s Latest Homepage Redesign Goes Live Today - http://mashable.com/2009...

October 23 from Mashable! - Comment - Like - Share

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Michael Hocter

I'm Louis Gray recommended! http://www.louisgray.com/live...

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Graphic blatantly stolen from Bwana: http://bwana.posterous.com/i-made-... - Michael Hocter

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To be exact, it's a Mike Fruchter recommendation on Louis' blog... Thanks so much, Mike! http://friendfeed.com/fruchter - Michael Hocter

Congrats! - Bwana ☠

totally jealous - sofarsoShawn

wow - Joe

very nice - (jeff)isageek

nice - andy brudtkuhl

Louis who? Oh the guy w/ the fake beard post! (that was great) - Joe

No, that's another guy, this Louis Gray is...is...amaaaaaaazzzzzing - sofarsoShawn

Same guy: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - Josh Haley

Fake beard? Hey! I've been working on that thing for months in secret! - Louis Gray

I totally thought it was real. - Michael Hocter from fftogo

stop. please. - joanne devault

Stop what, joanne? - Michael Hocter

Scary - Charlie Anzman

Bump for the good times. - Mark Krynsky

Robert Scoble

How I know FriendFeed is dead? Louis Gray's feed doesn't have many comments: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...

October 18 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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also mine doesn't have :) - Enes TAYLAN

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What comments? - Jesse Stay

The rate of new subscribers to my own feed has slowed to a crawl. That's how I know. But Louis Gray's feed with hardly any comments? That's even worse. - Dennis Jernberg

It's a Saturday at 1am, and the end of Blogworld Expo - Jesse Stay

FriendFeed has never been all that busy on a Saturday night. My inane screencasts aren't helping. :) - Louis Gray

Thank you Mark Zuckerberg. You're the God. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

If you want comments / conversations, maybe you should learn another language: http://friendfeed.com/search... I see lots of turkish, italian & iranian commenters - arjo

I'm still here... - Patrick

Jesse and Louis: I love that you two are keeping a stiff upper lip, but, sorry, it's been very apparent to me that FriendFeed is changing. The influential geeks, if there were any here, have largely left and now FriendFeed is changing and will not be the same service a year from now that it was three months ago. I am writing a post that it has a future, but a different one. Be back in a... more... - Robert Scoble

The scary thing is that I know Louis & Jesse are in the same room commenting on this :) - Mark Krynsky

My feed is always bustling, except on weekends (especially weekend nights). - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

With every negative post about FriendFeed the community dies a little. It's the MGs and the Scobles and the others that will kill FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

How do you know that, Mark? #wherestheproof - Louis Gray

Regardless of the community I will always use it as a tool - Jesse Stay

A community is only what you make of it. - BLOGBloke

How you know Robert Scoble has nothing to do? He posts how a service is dead on said service. - CW™

CW: true. But part of it is I'm hoping a thousand comment thread starts (that used to happen in the old days) telling me I'm wrong. So far five people have liked this thread and 12 have commented on it. That's not really a stunning refutal. Even for a Saturday night. And it's not the first time I've made this claim and it's not the first time I've gotten such a lukewarm rebuttal. - Robert Scoble

Starting a post in the middle of the night on Saturday early Sunday, traditionally slow dead times for FF won't help. - CW™

Sorry Robert, I'm not seeing the death. With any social network, there is a constant flow of people coming to and leaving the service. Sure, the early adopters will leave to play on the next new shiny service to come along. But there are still new people joining and still a core group of users that have been here for quite a while. Just because you are leaving doesn't mean everyone else is. - Jeff P. Henderson

CW: again. This isn't the first time I've made this claim and at Blog World I had quite a few discussions with people who are noticing the same thing, even if they won't admit to such in public. - Robert Scoble

Were back to the point in the cycle where Robert Scoble calls Friendfeed dead/dying. - Andy Bakun

Jeff: I'm not leaving. You aren't listening. - Robert Scoble

Could it be that everyone is sick of social media / tech reporting... NO... never... it couldn't possibly be the content... IT MUST BE THE SERVICE THAT'S WRONG... BURN IT, BURN IT WITH FIRE. It's frankly laughable that you base a service purely what you personally can get out of it in a professional sense Robert. Maybe FriendFeed is more social and doesn't fit into your self-promotion regime but my feed is still active. FriendFeed isn't dead... maybe you are just dead to FriendFeed. - Johnny Worthington

It takes simple engagement to encourage comments on FriendFeed. I'm not seeing any less comments than I used to. If you ask the right questions, actually like things on FriendFeed (note that Scoble has stopped this), and encourage your audience to comment they will comment just as much as they always have. - Jesse Stay

Jeff: Denial isn't helping. Discussions and activity are down. Robert's reduced use can't be given all the credit for that. The radio silence from FF/FB leadership is troubling. There are absolutely a lot of conversations here, but not in all the places they used to be. - Louis Gray

Watch Jason Pollack's threads. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I am. And most of the traffic he gets is coming from his Twitter accounts. When I do that I get engagement too. Even here. - Robert Scoble

Robert, you HAVE for the most part left. A majority of your posts now come from twitter and your frequency of comments and participation on this site is way down. - Jeff P. Henderson

http://friendfeed.com/jasonpo... - Jesse Stay

it is disheartening, well Robert you are part to this "death" - ffcode

Robert, therefore your community will follow wherever you take them. It's not "FriendFeed's community". It's "Your community". Bring them back to FriendFeed and you'll see it change. - Jesse Stay

Jeff: I can't keep focusing on a site that isn't getting developed. Sorry. That's not what I do. - Robert Scoble

You people make me want to just shoot myself in the head,, cant you just let me have my fantasy for of a social network and let me pretend that your all my friends. Screw you robert... stop that crap,, your depressing me,,, I thought you followed me because you actually cared, or was that your damn autofollow bots ,,,,, and then he says friendfeed is dead hmmm wonder why..... - Cjay

Louis, true, things have changed here on FF, but isn't some of that attributed to the normal ebb and flow that is seen on any social network? Not everyone stays engaged forever. It frankly takes a lot of time and effort to continuously participate at a significant level on any social network. Most of us have full time jobs that have nothing to do with social networks as well as family and other obligations for our time. - Jeff P. Henderson

Robert, there's a difference between "not focusing" and "focusing on something else". Why be negative about FriendFeed when you can be positive about something that's better? - Jesse Stay

Because Robert is scared of being left behind. He has to trash the old thing so everyone thinks he knows what the next thing is. - Johnny Worthington

Jesse: I'm mostly just poking the bees nest by my negativity to see what comes out. So far crickets. And that is making me spend even more time elsewhere. - Robert Scoble

STHUP! your killing me!!!!!!!!!!! - Cjay

Robert, you do realize that it's 5AM on the east coast, right? - Chris Heath

Yeah, I guess, in contrast, twitter has had a lot of development. They reskinned it inconsistently, and threw the hardcore tweeters a bone with adding "lists". Twitter has been stagnant for way longer than Friendfeed has. - Andy Bakun

Jeff, I am as big a FriendFeed supporter as everybody here. If I hadn't pushed it early, this place would be very different. But I agree that people are moving elsewhere, even if this is still the best platform. We need to hear some guidance. Johnny, I understand your position, but Robert is not that thick-headed. He's trying to work with what is passed his way, and FriendFeed is stalled right now. - Louis Gray

Chris: social media is world wide. When I was on the BBC the other night a ton of people all over the world contacted me. - Robert Scoble

i'm just sayin' - Chris Heath

Heh, everytime there's a "friendfeed is dead" comment, I notice that I had gotten 2 or 3 more subscribers in the previous couple of hours, _while_ I was sleeping on the couch. - Andy Bakun

Robert, I totally understand your perspective, but I think you are a unique case. Most users criteria for using a site does not hinge on the rate of development of the site. Flickr is an excellent example. Flickr is a mature social site that receives few updates to its core functionality, yet it still has dedicate users that invest a significant amount of time there on a daily basis. - Jeff P. Henderson

Johnny: at our neighborhood block party my neighbors have hardly even heard of Twitter or Facebook. Being left behind? I'm three years ahead of normal people. And I will go wherever the geeks go. - Robert Scoble

I'm still on FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

Jeff: I never want to be most users. But the problem with FriendFeed is that most users had never even heard of it. - Robert Scoble

that happens to me too andy, i'm about to hit the couch in a minute as I've been up for 21 hours and it's 5am - if i had been drinking tonight there's no way i could hold this conversation. - Chris Heath

Jeff: Flickr was a huge success with the early adopter crowd before it went to Yahoo. FriendFeed isn't even close to being in the same league. - Robert Scoble

Part of my love with FriendFeed was what it COULD BE in the future. So now that part of my fantasy is gone and I must see FriendFeed for what it is, not what it could be. THAT is a HUGE reason why I have moved much of my attention elsewhere. - Robert Scoble

I will always use the best tools for the job and thus far this is it. I admit there is a lot of opportunity out there right now though so long as FriendFeed has slowed down their development. Until that happens, FriendFeed is the best tool for the job. That's not changing in any way for me. - Jesse Stay

So why stir up crap like this post Robert. Smacks of arrogance and teasing - Johnny Worthington

oh come on! - Cjay

robert, if only friendfeed had a userbase the size of twitter, or facebook for that matter... maybe that's what i'll try and dream about tonight... - Chris Heath

zzzzz - Chris Heath

Maybe Friendfeed sold too soon then. - Jeff P. Henderson

But Robert even if friendfeed looses all of its userbase the fact that it is a great place to have conversation can't be taken away - ffcode

friendfeed is elite twitter is for everone else. - Cjay

Johnny: now you are just being nasty. Why is it when a conversation doesn't go your way you have to bring up arrogance or teasing? This isn't coming from either of those places with me. - Robert Scoble

ffcode: yes. And I'm pointing that out in the post I'm about to hit publish on. - Robert Scoble

I think that this thread is evidence that FF is not dead yet... - Jeff P. Henderson

So Robert, where are the geeks going? FaceBook? I would doubt it. Its a closed system. Geeks don't like that. Wave? Well there is no one there and its a service that is a collaboration mostly. So where are the influential geeks that you are speaking of going? If they are not here why are you not with them instead of causing a commotion here with blatant comment bait threads? Don't get me wrong you start some great conversations. This though is a old one that seems to be on repeat. - CW™

friendfeed posts on twitter doesn't make sense even though the reverse is still legit - ffcode

This is NOT teasing with me. I've dedicated more of my recent life (thousands of hours) to FriendFeed. This is SERIOUS business for me. - Robert Scoble

Well if you want someone to tell you you're wrong, the last time I checked FF was not your own private Idaho for just you and your pals. I'm sure it's not in FF's business model either. Check your attitude at the door and make this place a little more 'friendly' and inclusive and maybe (just maybe) things will warm up a little. On the flipside, I'm sure your tongue is also in your cheek and hoping that FF management is listening and will get with the program. Am I right? - BLOGBloke

CW: I'm studying 5,000 geeks over on Twitter. Most of whom are investing time there but not on Facebook or FriendFeed. Businesses? BIG TIME on Twitter. Celebrities? I had dinner last night with the guy who works with tons of them and he said they all are very dedicated to Twitter (except for what's her name). Facebook is getting some adoption, though, in the geek community. - Robert Scoble

Guys, even if Robert is outnumbered here, let's suggest he is most likely right and not make it personal. Robert has been a longtime evangelist of the platform and is personally invested at risk to his personal reputation. (By invested, I mean in time, not money, lest that get asked) - Louis Gray

BLOGBloke: sorry. You are wrong. FriendFeed has NO PEOPLE WORKING ON IT. - Robert Scoble

Digging in our heels doesn't help. We need to learn if this can be a place to participate with no further changes ever, or if we want to scatter to the winds. Today, most people are happy enough with Facebook and Twitter, and that's not debatable, even if we know there is a better alternative. - Louis Gray

No. You are not right BLOGBloke. I do not expect Mark Zuckerberg to dedicate any more resources to FriendFeed because of my nastiness. - Robert Scoble

Robert and Louis well you are two awesome guys i have ever met and this happened through friendfeed, met a lot of great folks here. i think i know/ have some idea how you guys work and like you work till death attitude, and i respect that. but i would love you guys doing friendfeed more, remember the good old days ;) - ffcode

Robert, I wish you were leading entrepreneurs to the opportunity and not leading them away. I agree there is a lack of leadership here from Facebook and the FriendFeed team, but to me that means there's opportunity. People won't discover that opportunity unless they are using FriendFeed. I'd rather focus on that in my posts and blog and elsewhere, rather than talk to the community itself. It's the entrepreneurs and opportunists I want to target, not the community. - Jesse Stay

Interesting, I just received three new followers in the past 10 minutes. Not Dead Yet... - Jeff P. Henderson

ffcode, I don't think my activity on FriendFeed has decreased at all. - Louis Gray

I'm using FriendFeed just as much as before as well (maybe even a little more) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I tried that for 18 months. It was OK when I thought FriendFeed has a cool future that was different from where it is today. Sorry, it isn't good enough for most people. For us, yes. For mainstream? No way. - Robert Scoble

Louis i was pointing to Robert's i know you are here and it is great to have you here :) - ffcode

I must have misunderstood you Robert... "How I know FriendFeed is dead?" is the perfect way to start a conversation on FriendFeed about FriendFeed... - Johnny Worthington

Johnny: sorry, FriendFeed +is+ dead to most of the tech community. - Robert Scoble

hey hey I left twitter for a reason..... its just you guys are still chewing on it, im sorry but i spit that grisil out right away.. - Cjay

Perhaps this thread will shake things up around here. Let's hope so. - BLOGBloke

Robert, not sure you're understanding - I'm saying now that FriendFeed has stopped development this is an opportunity for other entrepreneurs to take the lead ahead of FriendFeed. Let's push them to do so rather than pushing the community away from FriendFeed. When someone has something better than FriendFeed, then we can all say "jump ship". - Jesse Stay

Robert, my point is the rest of us outside the bubble don't care. The world exists outside the Valley - Johnny Worthington

BLOGBloke: Facebook has 300 million users and you think a thread with 20 people in it will shake things up? Sorry, that's not how things work. Now, if there was a thousand message thread, that might get some people to wake up. - Robert Scoble

Johnny: really? Where? :-) - Robert Scoble

Johnny: when I talk with people outside the bubble they are barely discovering Facebook right now. Twitter is something they've heard about. FriendFeed? GIve me a freaking break. - Robert Scoble

We're working on that thousand as we speak. - BLOGBloke

BLOGBloke: so far I see 20 people participating here. When we hit 1,000 I'll come over to your side of the yard. - Robert Scoble

Not everyone ON FriendFeed is inside the bubble... or frankly CARE about social media. You love talking about the car and it's parts, I love talking about where the car takes me. - Johnny Worthington

Friendfeed to me is quality, an addtion to a mature social network like facebook. - Cjay

Johnny: sorry. Everyone on FriendFeed is inside the bubble. If you claim otherwise you lose all credibility. - Robert Scoble

Robert... I don't HAVE credibility... - Johnny Worthington

Remember, it is after 2am here on the west and 5 am back east. Unlike yourself some geeks still like to sleep. - BLOGBloke

i am with Robert his sample sizes are way larger than anyone else here and he studies them as in "study" yeah my friends laugh when i sent them my account link on friendfeed - ffcode

Johnny: FriendFeed, at its height, only had a few hundred thousand users. THAT IS A BUBBLE. Actually, it's a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook. - Robert Scoble

Come on if its that bad then go back to myspace and twitter and see what you get... - Cjay

Cjay: my friend Luke and I had a drink at the Ritz tonight and I guarantee that was better than what you get here, but that isn't any way to build a movement. - Robert Scoble

Still don't care about that either... That's my point... I'm here for the people and the interaction. - Johnny Worthington

Robert, with all due respect, just because you don't get quality out of FF doesn't mean nobody else does. - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

Johnny: cool. That keeps me coming back too, but it isn't any way to build a business or a movement. Most people don't care and if they do most people just want to talk with their friends on Facebook. Really, does FriendFeed give most people a hugely better experience than Facebook? No. - Robert Scoble

The whole FF/FB comparison seems irrelevant to me - FB is a walled garden, and if they move far from it they will disenfranchise the current user base who wants a closed community of their friends. FF has always been about public aggregation, not followers. If we wanted walled communities, we should have all stayed on AOL. (I keep waiting for FB to buy an old media news company - we'll definitely know they are the AOL of the future then.) - David Lounsbury

Beau: you aren't listening. I'm here cause I like the people here. but that's not what we're arguing about. - Robert Scoble

David: you are wrong. Facebook is no longer a walled garden. You must have missed Facebook Connect. Check into it. Look at Huffington POst. They use it. - Robert Scoble

DO ANYBODY NO WHY FRIENDFEED IS DEAD? - Louis Gray

Robert. That is where you and I disagree. I get a better flavor of interaction here then Facebook. I have friends and have made friends here from all over the world I wouldn't have just through my circle of IRL friends on Facebook. - Johnny Worthington

David: most people DO WANT walled communities. Most people, when they post their baby photos are NOT like me and Louis. They mostly want to keep those private to just their real life friends. - Robert Scoble

Friendfeed is not dead.......whats dead is twitter..... - Cjay

Johnny: you and I and the rest of the people here are weird. - Robert Scoble

100% agree - Johnny Worthington

Cjay: I really wish that were true. I hate Twitter (the company). I put a good effort into bringing Twitter here. I failed. It's done. Let's move on and admit that. - Robert Scoble

Friendfeed is dying, not dead. And to use Louis' posts at this point in time is ridiculous, 1. It's mostly BWE stuff which I don't give a damn about, no offense Louis. 2. It's the weekend. 3. It's 5:30 on the East Coast. - Jimminy

And that is why I like FriendFeed :-) - Jesse Stay

Jimminy: FriendFeed is not really dead. Remember, when a blogger says something is dead that just means it isn't interesting anymore. - Robert Scoble

Isn't this an argument that the best technologies don't always win? People gravitate to Twitter because any lamebrain can use it. Same thing for FB. - BLOGBloke

I wonder if people had this discussion about Geocities, Hotmail and Altavista... We like to think that the current time is the peak of innovation... - Johnny Worthington

Weird, hey I resemble that comment! - Jeff P. Henderson

well robert you keep what your kill I guess... - Cjay

Johnny: yes, we did. Geocities IS dead (gone). So is Altavista. Hotmail is still doing OK. But among early adopters it's dead. - Robert Scoble

My homepage is still Geocities - Jesse Stay

facebook can be classified most folks there are just for that boy-girl thing or just to interact with the friends they know in real, friendfeed misses its good old days and i blame Robert for that, for my feed doesn't look that good now even with so many subscriptions - ffcode

Robert, I forgot that, following my 3rd point about it being 5:30. - Jimminy

if Mark is adding FF inside the FB feed then he needs to extend this silly 5000 friends limit as I can't use FB properly until he does - Thomas Power

BLOGBloke: oh, did you just call FriendFeed the Betamax of social software? - Robert Scoble

Jesse: Geocities is closing down, you will soon need to find a new home page. - Robert Scoble

Anybody who would rather talk to the 'puter instead of people in the real world are weird. Goes for me too. - BLOGBloke

I wonder if in 10 years we will talk of Twitter and Facebook in the same sense... - Johnny Worthington

I will move to Freeservers then - Jesse Stay

Johnny: I think we will know a lot more about how the future will be by the end of 2010. You won't need to wait 10 years. - Robert Scoble

Betamax! How old do you think I am anyway (*_*) - BLOGBloke

RE FB Connect, maybe, but they're positioning it as a way to pull people in to the garden. From the site: "Enable over 300 million Facebook users to share your content with their friends on Facebook. " There is a pattern in that sentence... - David Lounsbury

Jesse: what's weird is I'm not even sure what my home page is anymore. I mostly use Tweetie on my iPhone. - Robert Scoble

I am going to ask my Uncle to revive Freeservers (actually, freeservers.com is still around). That will be the new FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay

Robert, by the way thanks for follow on FF,,,, see like i said Friendfeed is Quality, its not about quantity... - Cjay

David: of course. Facebook Pages are open to the public and Google. That's where you'll see some "FriendFeed-like" innovation. - Robert Scoble

Cjay: the real question is whether I will add you to one of my Twitter lists!?! - Robert Scoble

bahhh 8D - Cjay

FriendFeed is dead (isn't interesting anymore) for Ex-FriendFeed employers, no new features, no upadates, no documentation.. and this is sad, because (hope) we'll see FF on FB in months.. and FriendFeed is still the most interesting way to discuss on Internet (sorry Wave, sad but true for now). - Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF

What's worse here is that the positive Robert Scoble is dead. Assuming that Robert posts on this, his last posts will be on FriendFeed slowing down (Negative), on Startups paying to pitch (Negative), Digital iPhone cheapskates (Negative), Google Wave x 2 (Negative and Negative), Why Office 2010 will be locked out (Negative). That would be zero positive posts in October. I want the happy Robert back. - Louis Gray

Me too - Jesse Stay

Louis: I'm bummed out because FriendFeed is dead. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

+Like Louis :) - Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF

Personally Twitter is a horrible service and Ap. Mainly because it has turned into MySpace. Everyone is there. YUCK. I've been going back to some of my old Forums and IRC Servers/Channels. Plus here on FF. I've been able to keep all of it up. Different groups for different interests. Look just because my Geek friends are not on here, but are on the IRC server they own and manage doesn't... more... - CW™

I like the happy Scoble - Jesse Stay

As am I. In the meantime, I am excited about Pubsubhubbub and innovation in other places. I am stoked about the Salmon Protocol. I hope people saw that. - Louis Gray

Louis: I've been more positive, though, about the iPhone and the app and business models there (developers there are rocking and rolling). - Robert Scoble

I think we need to a (real) life. Maybe that's the answer. - BLOGBloke

oh the new feature yeah yeah I saw that twitter lists god now my world has changed forever heheheh... - Cjay

BLOGBloke: like I said, I was at the Ritz with a friend tonight. That was real life and was pretty damn good! - Robert Scoble

homepages have lost their relevance, things are all spread now, people get to know you better from your social profiles - ffcode

Louis, I don't want happy Robert back, I want to know what Robert wants and thinks coming in the future. - Jimminy

Jimminy: I think we're in a period of consolidation and that pisses me off! :-) - Robert Scoble

Agreed, Jimminy. Just talking openly, as he is. I have a great respect for Robert, and on most days, I assume the feeling is mutual. I brought Robert here. Can he bring us somewhere else, or should I keep looking and let you guys know? :) - Louis Gray

There's your answer and I've been coming to the same conclusion myself. - BLOGBloke

Louis: I will follow you anywhere. But I will ask Jesse for confirmation to see if you are really onto something. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I'm all for going to a new/better service than FF....but so far, I haven't seen any. - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

I like this - together, the 3 of us will rule the world ;-) - Jesse Stay

yes, the thruth is that if FF is dead I would miss it - Luigi Centenaro

Beau: truth be told, me neither. But FriendFeed's limitations do piss me off. It got so close to something really brilliant. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: I thought we already ruled the world. - Robert Scoble

;-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, shhh - they're not supposed to know that! - Jesse Stay

Have you guys read Seth Godin's "The dip" Friendfeed is facing the dip right now. The dip is where success happens.If you manage to get through the dip, you can become one of the best in the world. - Tapio Kulmala

What's really amazing is Rob is having a conversation with all of simultaneously and still managing to keep ahead of the curve. How fast do you type? 5,000 words a minute" - BLOGBloke

Tapio: I would agree but FriendFeed's team has already been disbanded. So the dip is going to be permanent. At least that's my thesis and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong. - Robert Scoble

I've been in the "Dip" for 10 years. There's still hope. - BLOGBloke

BLOGBloke: I typed 35 words per minute with two fingers. Then I took a typing class. I'm a bit faster now. (Best class I took in college, by the way). - Robert Scoble

I do agree that since the buyout, development has ceased. Hopefully that won't last too much longer and they'll make FF even better. I really hope FF doesn't get fully integrated into FB. - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

Funny all this is just RSS, and it would seem that if you want more, then you should focus on what RSS can really do for you, and not what you let a service like FF and TW do with RSS for you. - Cjay

Beau: FriendFeed can NOT be integrated into Facebook. FriendFeed was designed for a million users. Facebook has 300 million. It would need to be rewritten for Facebook's infrastructure. That is NOT going to happen! - Robert Scoble

That makes me feel much better. =) - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

My major was typing. I still have the diploma to prove it. Momma is so proud. - BLOGBloke

What WILL happen is that some of the better stuff you see here WILL be rewritten for Facebook. Like Real Time Search. Or real time comments. Or better aggregation. Or better messaging. - Robert Scoble

Still leaves FF in the dust though. =( - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

Paul Buchheit wrote Gmail. If I were Zuckerberg I'd have him working on messaging. Google Wave is a freaking disaster. Put a nail in that! - Robert Scoble

I'm sure most of you know what RSS is right...and you do realize that this is the backbone of these services. - Cjay

Beau: like I said, FriendFeed is done for the most part. If we see any more features I'll be very shocked. I'm just happy that the servers are staying up for the most part. - Robert Scoble

yup google wave was a ripple if that.... - Cjay

Cjay: one of my best friends is Dave Winer. My son's initials are RSS (seriously, they are). I know a little bit about the subject. - Robert Scoble

Not that I've gotten a wave invite...but from everything I've read about it, its way pre Alpha....I'll wait for the beta... - Beau "Slick Foot" Liening

Jesse: the criticisms will probably end up bringing more curious users to friendfeed :) - Mike Chelen from fftogo

Beau: I don't think the beta is going to be able to save it. The only reason we're all paying attention to Wave is because it's from Google. Heck, that's really the reason I paid attention to FriendFeed instead of SocialThing or Jaiku. - Robert Scoble

It would seem to me that an open social network based on RSS wouild be the way to go. - Cjay

would love to have more features on ff and i am amazed by this phenomenon called Robert Scoble and Louis keeping such a low profile, way to go guys - ffcode

Mike: in my experience that isn't happening. The growth of new accounts here is slowing way down. - Robert Scoble

Leo laporte was talking about this at one time - Cjay

Cjay: RSS is making a comeback, but I don't think it's fast enough. We're not using RSS here to talk with each other. That's XMPP (which is one of the protocols Google Wave is built on). - Robert Scoble

So if the 3 of us (Robert, Louis, and me) rule the world, and Louis and I both say stay on friendfeed who wins? ;-) - Jesse Stay

get it? "Stay" on FriendFeed (just noticed that) - Jesse Stay

Robert, I thought we were using SUP, though it probably is on XMPP's backbone. - Jimminy

It's 2:45am on a Saturday, and Robert is getting a stream of comments. I wish I had something to hire him to promote. - Cristo

Jesse: again, I'm not leaving FriendFeed. So I'm a "Stay" vote too. But the three of us isn't enough, unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

hmmm I thought this was just an updated xml file that everyone can tune into kinda like your blog feed - Cjay

Robert, but are you encouraging others to stay on friendfeed? :-) - Jesse Stay

Jimminy: I thought SUP was only used for aggregating stuff from services. - Robert Scoble

(/me likes "Stay" votes) :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: truth be told, not anymore. I spent 18 months doing that. To do that now would be a losing proposition for me. - Robert Scoble

Robert, you're right, I think it's time for bed. - Jimminy

Jimminy: yeah, I gotta finish this blog and then work more on my Twitter lists. - Robert Scoble

I have the answer. We'll all pool our resources and buy FF. I've got 25 cents in my pocket and I can always raid the kid's piggy-bank. How about you? - BLOGBloke

Robert, therefore you are outvoted by Louis and I ;-) - Jesse Stay

BLOGBloke: I left Vegas with $100 in my pocket because I was too busy to gamble it away. So there y ou go! :-) - Robert Scoble

And we also have a Realtime Distributed Environment in Socnodes, but Tornado is definitely where it's at. - Jimminy

well jaiku is all open source now might go real good with google wave....8p - Cjay

Identica is opensourced also, lets build a better Twitter and Friendfeed. - Jimminy

I'm leaving Vegas with Louis Gray's money in my pocket - I can contribute that :-) - Jesse Stay

truly - why the hell can't FF be integrated into the FB feed when they open FB up? - Thomas Power

See Robert you just cant get this love anywhere else but on friendfeed.... - Cjay

Wrong Scoble, Chris. - Jimminy

I was almost blocked by him, I had to talk my way out of that one. - Jimminy

Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users. - Robert Scoble

Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed. - Louis Gray

Cjay: you haven't seen my Twitter account, have y ou? :-) - Robert Scoble

Looks like I was wrong. There's lots of love to go around here. Can you feel it? - BLOGBloke

Here's my blog post, titled "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-sec... - Robert Scoble

Does it involve Second Life? - Cristo

So we should jump to Posterous? :-) - Jesse Stay

No. Other than Second Life received a lot of hype, then a lot of derision, and now is a growing and profitable business. - Robert Scoble

Jesse. You can. We'll wait here. - Robert Scoble

Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users. - Robert Scoble - are you absolutely sure, because why buy it if they can't? Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed. - Louis Gray - Thomas Power

Thomas: my friends at Facebook tell me they bought FriendFeed for the talent, not the product. - Robert Scoble

Louis what would you like us to do, we can only build it slowly not overnight? - Thomas Power

This is one of those epic quickfire Scoble threads that I haven't seen in a long time. There's life in the old gal yet. - Roberto Bonini

I think Guy Kawasaki is the next FriendFeed. He has involvement in Posterous, Tweetmeme (link tracking), SocialToo (utility), and Objective Marketer (analytics) - Jesse Stay

I understand the need for talent Robert but why throw away the best product in the world when FB relatively speaking cannot hold a candle to FF? - Thomas Power

Thomas: sorry, that is simply not true. FF can't hold a candle to Facebook. Why? Because Facebook runs with 300 million people on top of it. FriendFeed can NOT do that. - Robert Scoble

Nope it's not Guy he's already too famous - only real geeks can build the best mousetraps - Guy's a marketing man - Thomas Power

FriendFeed was built on a handful of servers. Facebook is running on 30,000 servers. TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCALE. - Robert Scoble

And TOTALLY DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE. Not even close to the same thing. - Robert Scoble

Exactly right Scoble. - Roberto Bonini

Facebook and Twitter were both built on a handful of servers. Let's not kid ourselves. None of these services started out big. - Cristo

@Thomas .. the best doesn't always win. Just ask Microsoft. - BLOGBloke

Cristo: it doesn't matter where they started. It matters where they are now. - Robert Scoble

Robert, of course it matters where they started. How else would you be motivated as a startup company starting now? Should Microsoft or Apple not tried because IBM was big? - Cristo

Cristo: most of the startups I know are building on cloud servers like Rackspace Cloud or Amazon S3. Not on their own infrastructure. Facebook might be one of the last companies to build their own infrastructure. - Robert Scoble

Facebook is the next Microsoft. You heard it here first. - BLOGBloke

Cristo: Steve Wozniak told me they didn't start Apple to compete with IBM. And building a PC isn't like building a web service. Not a good analogy. - Robert Scoble

Does that matter? It's whether you should try, not how you implement it. - Cristo

I understand FB is winning the market cap game and will likely IPO next year and acquire Linkedin too but they are NOT winning the best mousetrap game, that's FF. - Thomas Power

BLOGBloke: Facebook is the next Google. Google is the next Microsoft. Microsoft is the next IBM. IBM is the next DEC. :-) - Robert Scoble

Thanks Robert for that info. I worked at both Apple AND Microsoft. But I'm sure you have better info. - Cristo

I stand corrected. - BLOGBloke

Thomas: you sound like one of those guys I sold a Betamax VCR to. - Robert Scoble

Cristo: sounds like you can't hold a job! Just kidding. I'm the same way. - Robert Scoble

Robert: it seems a competition for attention exists between the more popular and the more esoteric platforms - Mike Chelen from fftogo

Infrastucture is mostly hardware. Facebook's architecture is not perfect. They only allow us to have 5000 friends. It tells something about the scalability of the architecture. We don't know how well Friendfeed's really scales.. - Tapio Kulmala

Robert: I agree.. nobody I know either knows about or uses FF, and I barely scratch the surface. I was one of the most active users I know on Facebook until my account was "disabled" this week. I won't be investing any more time into that unless they re-enable my account. I love FF but doubt that my audience will adopt it any time soon... wish I had been at bwe09! - ASKJDOG

Mike: that's always true. Every once in a while the more esoteric becomes the more popular. I was hoping that was the case with FriendFeed but it wasn't to be. - Robert Scoble

I'm not arguing about scalability Robert I understand 300m is 300 times 1 million but FF remains the best mousetrap so Mark Z MUST integrate the best bits of FF into FB that's all. I loved my Betamax and thank you for being so cheeky to an Englishman in this place. - Thomas Power

ASKJDOG: heh, I've been through that. My Facebook account was disabled two years ago. - Robert Scoble

Thomas: I KNEW it! :-) - Robert Scoble

are you saying they are going to hold the 5000 limit because of scalability? - Thomas Power

Robert: I read about that fiasco.. I can't get over the fact that they get away with taking away your access to your own data.. with no real way to dispute or contact them. - ASKJDOG

Thomas, I don't know the reason. Architecture and/or scalability could be one. - Tapio Kulmala

Anybody remember what was the most popular service 18 years ago? Yes, you all laugh about it now. It's not that different. - Cristo

ASKJDOG: lots of Web 2.0 companies do that, unfortunately. It's one reason why I spread my attention out across a number of different services. At least that way you can find me somewhere. - Robert Scoble

Facebook threw me out too. Gotta love it. - BLOGBloke

So what replaces FF? ..or not replaces but would be more widely used by less techy people? More Twitter? Echo via one's blogs? something else? - ASKJDOG

Someday, I'm going to be interviewed by Robert, and it's going to be super awkward. At least for me. ;) - Cristo

From Robert's Blog Post. I couldn't agree more... "Will FriendFeed turn out to be like Second Life? I think it could. There will always be some people who want to be on some service other than the popular ones. There ARE people out there who hate Twitter and Facebook and want to hang out on a tool that more fits their personality. FriendFeed DOES have a future there. " - Jeff P. Henderson

Cristo, the telephone or Usenet? - Jimminy

Jimmi, AOL. - Cristo

well I'm still on FB and completely stuck at 5000. FB is punishing me for building their network with my friends. Why do they do that? - Thomas Power

ASKJDOG: we're all waiting for Louis Gray to answer that question. But why does anything need to replace it? If it stays the same as it is now we'll be just happy staying here. The problem is that no one else will join us. As long as we're OK with that FriendFeed is just fine! - Robert Scoble

Ok Robert so I took a look at your "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" post... Do you think friendfeed will be another feature of facebook or will friendfeed stand on its own? You do know that facebook added some kind of tab feature to add friendfeed right into the facebook profile. - Cjay

Chris, AOL was around back then, I can't remember I was a tot. - Jimminy

ASKJDOG: I drank a glass of whisky tonight. No one sits around asking "what will replace that glass?" - Robert Scoble

Jimmi, I can remember, but I keep drinking to try to forget. ;) - Cristo

Cjay: I think they will be separate forever but that some features might come across. Real time search is definitely one I expect to see (Facebook was already working on that itself). - Robert Scoble

Robert: lol.. good point.. I'm looking for ways to engage my web audience but it's a very different audience to yours. I like the whisky they don't necessarily :) - ASKJDOG

LOL @ "a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook" - nice one Robert Scoble! And very much agree with Jesse Stay: writing is on the wall and it may spell "Huge Opportunity" for the next upstart SN hub that gets the UX just right. - Dan Freeman

We need to create a million bogus accounts on FB. Raise a little hell, watch it implode and buy FF for pennies on the dollar. Anyone up for a barbecue? - BLOGBloke

being able to write efficient server software is definitely one of the talents brought by the ff team, so these services should scale as well as anyone's - Mike Chelen from fftogo

Robert's problem is that I think he doesn't know who to listen to online. It's just a random walk through whoever's-online. - Cristo

Cristo: oh, wait until you see my lists over on Twitter! - Robert Scoble

Robert, I haven't been given a good reason to actively use Twitter yet. - Cristo

Oh, and Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online. Actually those are some of the most fun interviews because we both usually are surprised! - Robert Scoble

Robert's lists on Twitter 1) Geeks, 2) Not Geeks - Jeff P. Henderson

Cristo: I've given you more than 6,000 reasons to use Twitter here: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- you're telling me that none of those people or Tweets sound interesting? I guess that's cool. - Robert Scoble

Jeff: that would be a funny list, actually! - Robert Scoble

"Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online." -- This sounds inappropriate, but perhaps it is late and I have a corrupted mind. - Cristo

I'm glad you have a sense of humor ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

Don't forget the "Ignore" list. - BLOGBloke

debated with, probably would be better. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I'd rather you just give me the one reason. - Cristo

Cristo: one URL. 6,000 reasons. :-) - Robert Scoble

The main problem I have with Twitter is that it very hard to hold a conversation there. That is why I much prefer FF. - Jeff P. Henderson

Jeff: that's why most people don't like FF actually. They really don't like talking with you. :-) - Robert Scoble

Perhaps, and it's just a wild guess, it's why we're having the conversation HERE! - Cristo

You call this a conversation? - BLOGBloke

BLOGBloke: it's something, that's for sure! If we did this over on Twitter all of our real followers would have unfollowed us an hour ago. - Robert Scoble

Well it certainly isn't an argument at this point. - Jimminy

This is just chat... a better system for chat is IRC, It's so much faster. I never did really understand why people keep trying to reinvent the wheel.. All of these systems like friendfeed and twitter and whatever else seem really slow to me, but I put up with it because I guess people need it. - Cjay

Right, which is an interesting (and somewhat sad) reality about human nature. A service that you can just send your random thoughts into the ether is more popular than one that enables conversation, because people just want to feel important without getting feedback. - Cristo

Cjay: sorry, IRC sucks. I've gone into why before. But it does and I'm tired so I'll leave the details for another day. - Robert Scoble

Cjay: keep in mind I helped moderate Leo Laporte's chat room in the mid 1990s so I know IRC pretty damn intimately. - Robert Scoble

cristo makes a point - Cjay

Cristo: it's not just about feeling important. It's about simplicity. It's about being able to control who comes into your view (you really can't very well here). - Robert Scoble

Also, most people just don't like participating. For them their 30 minutes on the web every day is more about getting informed and being entertained. Twitter is great for that. - Robert Scoble

Hardly anyone comes into your view on Twitter. On Facebook, lots of people you know and don't want coming into your view do, unforunately. - Cristo

Cristo: weird. On Twitter I have 5,000 coming into my view. On Facebook I have 1,500. - Robert Scoble

I think IRC is to fast for most people to feel warm about it.. - Cjay

Robert, you are getting a lot of SPAM disguised as actual thought on Twitter. On Facebook, you're getting old friends and relatives that are inarticulately trying to communicate with you and sometimes in embarrassingly ways. - Cristo

Cristo: not true. Every single person I've added into Twitter is someone I want on my home page. Not a single piece of spam has made it there. - Robert Scoble

I actually like Facebook for connecting with people.. shame I won't be using it any more. Tho I'm using Twitter more and more It's difficult to see a structured conversation. - ASKJDOG

I will have to say Facebook has crazy ways of knowing who you might know. - Cjay

ASKJDOG: Twitter isn't for structured conversations. But you can include a link to one over here. That's what I do. - Robert Scoble

I'm using SPAM loosely. Any Tweets that are actively promoting something they have no idea I'm interested in is SPAM to me. - Cristo

Cristo: that's noise, not spam. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes! I noticed you do that.. and very effectively.. I will try it. - ASKJDOG

I feel spread too thin across too many places - but FF is still quite lively among who I subscribe to - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I'm off the bed now. Thanks for being a good sport Rob and I hope you're feeling better about FF now. It really is the best SN out there and it wouldn't be same without you. Goodnight to all my friendly FriendFeeders. - BLOGBloke

"Imma gonna let you continue with this thread, but first I wanna say that Rackspace is the best cloud service in the business, ever!" - Cristo

Bed? It's lunch-time here - Tapio Kulmala

BLOGBloke: thanks. nothing I read here tonight changed my opinion unfortunately. But I'm still here. - Robert Scoble

"Twitter isn't for structured conversations." Robert,,, if thats the case then should i go back to letting people know things like "I'm washing my dog and I just ran out of soup, I need to run to walmart, be back in 10..." ?? - Cjay

Our Windows 7 party is over! Actually, it was my wife's but I helped out even though I don't like WIndows. Oops. Maybe I should have tweeted that. - Cristo

Chris, how did it go? - Jimminy

Jimmi, really good actually. We really made a lot of progress cleaning up the loft. It was like two weeks worth of work in a couple days. And the food & wine went over really well. - Cristo

Sorry Cristo, I think you meant to post that on Twitter ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

Jeff, you mean I didn't? I'm so confused. - Cristo

Chris, you didn't spend enough time staring at the ice cubes you may have liked Windows if you would have stared at them longer. The message was Windows 7 is amazing. - Jimminy

Cristo, I'm sorry, conversation about Twitter comments is not allowed here... - Jeff P. Henderson

If I say @Jimminy will that send it to twitter? - Cristo

There you go, now you have it all figured out. - Jeff P. Henderson

Where is my new Sonos controller @? - Cristo

@Cristo - Jeff P. Henderson

I'll receive it if you do that yes. - Jimminy

#pound her - Cristo

Robert, either way it still feels like 2 hours of my life I will never get back, FFFTW! - Cjay

And of course it takes a Scoble post proclaiming FriendFeed dead to provoke a big chat like this. Of course, with my mere 250 or so subscribers, it would never work for me... - Dennis Jernberg

@Try looking under the couch cushion. - Jeff P. Henderson

If this is the tech elite, I wonder how dumb the conversations are over on facebook. - Cristo

#pound her - Photos or it didn't happen... - Jeff P. Henderson

@Facebook, My cat just did a backflip off the couch... - Jeff P. Henderson

What the matter, did everyone fall asleep? - Jeff P. Henderson

I rarely get a comment on even one post. I guess I'm missing something... - Dennis Jernberg

@The_Club Did you see that chick?? - Jimminy

Robert: earlier adoption of a service ensures a longer delay before observing widespread appeal. this may be a stronger indication your prescience rather than sluggishness by friendfeed - Mike Chelen from fftogo

@Jimmy, we need photos. - Jeff P. Henderson

Clearly Robert went to bed, because I'm not blocked yet. ;) - Cristo

I think Robert just took time out to write another blog post entitled "The third coming of Friendfeed"... - Jeff P. Henderson

Okay, I'm done with this thread. If you guys want to make sarcastic and sophomoric comments. FIne! ..........Let's just do it on another thread. :) - Cristo

Cjay: one nice thing about ff compared with irc is that it is web-browser accessible, without addons like chatzilla or 3rd party sites like mibbit. they have many similarities otherwise, which is one of my reasons for liking ff so much :) - Mike Chelen from fftogo

Robert, the amount of comments is not necessarily a good indicator of the service health; from my point of view their quality is much more significant. A matter of signal VS noise, you know. - Gilgamesh

Well I think IRC is still fast, clean and sleek, you want to follow, you join a channel, you want to be followed you create a channel. Friendfeeds comments are more like a fast forum arena and twitter is more like porno for pundits. - Cjay

I think the killer mac app/shiny new piece of tech/deep-geek-inside-joke friendfeed is dead. But; its days (as a sort of hot-house for geeks) were numbered from the start. What remains to be seen, is what becomes of it between now and the time Facebook pulls the plug. - J. Abdul-Qahhar

Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all. - Mike Hellers

But I have to wonder if this isn't the natural progression of every social network. Myspace is a ghost town, nobody talks about Friendster... but going back further, how long did anyone stay with their favorite BBS? Why are news groups now only the domain of the totally hardcore? I think Friendfeed, while never a household name, has had it's day. I don't think it has to do with Facebook or Friendfeed's leadership, it just is the way it is. And one day soon, we are all going to be burying Facebook too. - Ciaoenrico

RT @mikehellers Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Mike - Well, 360 comments on an incendiary post from the guy who's nearly synonymous with Friendfeed. Otherwise tumbleweeds really have been blowing through this place for some time. - Ciaoenrico

It means that users are frustrated because of this FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook consequences, and want to tell it (once again. Again 'till..?) - Thierry R. Andriamirado

The problem with FriendFeed was that the community broke down. It became far too much about who could gain the most attention, and not about interesting discussion. I think the Facebook takeover was just the excuse people needed to jump ship. Interestingly enough, since the DMU group moved over from Flickr, I am using FF more than ever. There is a proper community in the group, which gives me a reason to come back many times each day. - Chris Nixon from BuddyFeed

wow! I just feel like sombodies bitch here! 8D 8p~"~'"" - Cjay

I'm going to bed.... - Cjay

Robert: Be careful, you might find yourself back in the SUL ;) - Nir Ben Yona

Nir: I never was in Twitter's SUL but I sure am on a lot of people's lists! - Robert Scoble

By the way, I can't wait for you to see Twitter's new lists. Then you'll see that the SUL really is deader than a doornail. - Robert Scoble

Robert: OMG, can't believe you're still awake. You know my opinion, Twitter veterans should be there. Anyway, how on earth can you build the lists if you have to pick those users one at the time? I find it way too annoying. - Nir Ben Yona

Nir: it doesn't matter anymore. Twitter is about to start a new game with "lists" and now it's about reputation and influence and credibility and all that. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Do you think most people will make their lists public? In that case it might be a "game changer", like you've said. - Nir Ben Yona

guess what - 99% of twitter users wont make a list :) and im not sure i agree completely with robert - those on the default list will naturally be added to more lists making it the same game - which is against what winer thought it would be. - Allen Stern

still here, still occasionally comment on LG threads. - Mike Nencetti

Twitter is down again. Not even a Fail Whale which is on my favorite list. Just down. - Eric Logan

Eric: it's up here, mostly. The damn API has been barfing all evening. - Robert Scoble

Allen: I totally disagree with you on the lists thing. I've already added 1,000 new people because of the new lists feature. - Robert Scoble

Unfotunately, I'm finding myself agreeing with Robert Scoble (which is new to me). I've been getting far fewer comments and likes than before. That in turn gives me less to act on, so my activity has dropped precipitously, too. But even with my much lower activity, FFholic says I'm ~400th most active. 6 months ago, I wouldn't have ranked in the top 5000 with such low activity. - Jason Huebel

I knew as soon as FacePOOP bought them the Party was over!! Garbage is as Garbage does!! ;)) - Billy Warhol

It's not dead, yet... - David Cook

Twitter's new list feature is fantastic. And yes, I have made my lists public. This is my take on the whole thing: http://friendfeed.com/app103... It's going to take me quite awhile to get everyone sorted though. If they had come out with this feature months ago when I had only around 200 people to sort it would have been so much easier. But lists on Twitter or... more... - April Russo (app103)

The social media learning curve: many people quickly learn that articles posted on high-quality primary news sites and blogs are more valuable and useful than the comments posted in response to those articles on social media sites. They try to allocate their time wisely, to focus on the more important over the less important. That's why I spend much more time in Feedly than in... more... - Sean McBride

After participating in this conversation, for me there is one obvious truth that has surfaced from it all. Community is not the technology .. it's the people who drive it, and this thread proves there is still a thriving community here at FF. - BLOGBloke

MG Siegler on techcrunch: "Previously, FriendFeed had committed to keeping the site running indefinitely despite their new jobs at Facebook. And it has remained running, but the site’s innovation, always its key attribute, has been completely halted. And perhaps as a vote of no confidence, previously rabid users are now largely staying away." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Gilgamesh

Previously rabid Friendfeed users who are now staying away: to where are they migrating? Have they discovered platforms of equal or superior quality for sharing and discussing news? I haven't. - Sean McBride

So sad, I just discovered FriendFeed around the buy out. We have to talk it up to our friends so it doesn't die! - Nathan Snyder

I'm dieing! - Zachary TG

so sad - michael sean wright

The future of Friendfeed: a team of visionary developers needs to pick up from where the original Friendfeed creators left off, and aggressively push forward the platform's feature set. The basic platform is solid, but still primitive. - Sean McBride

I fail to see why continued innovation is so critical when we have a platform that is already head and shoulders above anything else out there. Seems to me the only people who truly care are the early adopters and uber tech geeks, both of which are prone to jumping ship when the next new shiny service comes along regardless of how good the present service is. For the rest of us, we have... more... - Jeff P. Henderson

+15 Jeff! - Micah Wittman from iPhone

hmm, FF looks alive from here. the apparent halt in development is certainly attempted murder, tho. - Joe Silence is not dead

If the current incarnation of Friendfeed had assembled the optimal feature set, it wouldn't be flatlining (or downtrending) on Compete.com. There is much room for improvement. (I've made numerous suggestions in the past -- consult the archives.) - Sean McBride

Sean, it's pretty dang close. I do agree that over time, other services will either add all of the features that FF has or innovate and develop cool features that FF does not have. So the stopping of development will definitely kill FF in the long run. But in the near term, I have little problem with the present feature set here compared with my options elsewhere. - Jeff P. Henderson

Jeff -- at the moment, I don't see any other platform out there that is as capable as Friendfeed for sharing and discussing news -- despite my lengthy wish list for new features. That is why I am curious about where many former Friendfeeders are migrating to. Are some of them perhaps withdrawing from social media altogether? I haven't seen any alternative platforms recommended here. - Sean McBride

I think many techies are getting their feet wet with Wave right now. Time spent looking elsewhere - whether we find something usable or not - still translates to less time on FriendFeed ... - Dan Freeman

My personal blog post, feel free to share with other non-FriendFeeders http://snyderxc.blogspot.com/2009... - Nathan Snyder

I still go here more than Twitter and it's all because of the comments, pictures, no 140char limit, etc... I vote Not Dead. - Jan Ole Peek

Plus I still don't see how anyone can have a valid conversation on Twitter with more than 1 or 2 people. Certainly not via the web interface. - Jan Ole Peek

I don't think FF is dead. I also hope it won't die because it kicks ass :) - alfred westerveld

I'm sorry, but I must laugh at the First comment by Jan Ole Peek, comments about the 140 Character Limit while abbreviating. (Subconcious?) Anyway, I hope it doesn't die also. - Nathan Snyder

Heh, XC Fan, I'm a lazy typer, that's all. But I don't like to be confined to a certain number of characters. Aside from that, I like that pictures are displayed inline with FriendFeed whereas with Twitter you always have to visit some stupid site to see the image. - Jan Ole Peek

Yeah, plus you can attach any file right to a post for others to see. - Nathan Snyder

While a little crazy to read, where else could you have a discussion like this? I missed the main portion but it highlights the importance of real-time to capture discussions AND a solution to store/manage it. With FF I can join in later; twitter gone, FB out the bottom. Robert you thrive in the full blast from the fire hose, most mainstream users consider that pure torture. Your neighbors could grasp friendfeed, they'll never get twitter (in it's current form). I still love friendfeed http://ff.im/a57K2. - Chris Myles

The irony of 392 comments (so far) on a thread about the service dying is causing my head to implode. - Stephen Mack

you didn't expect such a popular and beloved service to die silently, did you? - Onur Cengiz

++Stephen - David Cook from email

Heya Robert if you're reading this check this out: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... - Mark Essel

Advertising for the uber geek ;) - Mark Essel

Shevonne

Trek Mountain Bike I'm Getting Myself. What do you think? - http://vida.posterous.com/trek-mo...

October 13 from Posterous - Comment - Like - Share

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... - http://vida.posterous.com/trek-mo... - Shevonne from Posterous

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I like and am jealous. - orionstarr

You can borrow it whenever you want. =D - Shevonne

Good choice to, you can always get the watch for xmas... - orionstarr

I need new running shoes so bad! - orionstarr

are you going to be mountain biking? or commuting? - tiffany

mountain biking. I might use it for commuting now that I am working pretty close. Not sure - Shevonne

I have a 10 year old Trek (multi track? 730? something like that) which is set up more as a commuter bike, but with similar frame geometry and no front suspension. I love mine. - Steve is older than ever

I prefer mountain bikes to... - orionstarr from iPhone

Keith - @tsudo

A collection of the best guides and tips for using FriendFeed.

June 17 - Comment - Like - Share

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Friendfeed About Page http://friendfeed.com/about... - Keith - @tsudo

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Friendfeed Feedback Room http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Keith - @tsudo

Friendfeed Beginners Room http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Keith - @tsudo

Friendfeed Beginner Guides (via Search) http://friendfeed.com/search... - Keith - @tsudo

3 Reasons you should be on Friendfeed Now by Hutch Carpenter http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

Did You Make the List? How I Use Lists to Organize My Life-Stream http://www.changeforge.com/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

10 People to follow for the month of "X" by Louis Gray http://friendfeed.com/search... - Keith - @tsudo

Twitter Fight (Why Friendfeed rocks) by FF community http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Keith - @tsudo

20 Things about Friendfeed by Robert Scoble http://www.kyte.tv/ch... - Keith - @tsudo

Friendfeed as a Productivity Tool by Changeforge http://louisgray.com/live... - Keith - @tsudo

FriendFeed Still Reigns As Conversation King by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

FriendFeed Filters Are The Star Of The Beta by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

Embed Your Real-time FriendFeed Activity On Your Blog by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

7 Ways To Harness The Power Of Real-time FriendFeed by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

FriendFeed Enhances Podcasting Interactivity With Audio Sharing by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

4 Ways to Enhance Your Blog With FriendFeed by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

7 Ways to Utilize FriendFeed Rooms by Bwana http://www.bwana.org/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

Top FriendFeed Tips for Twitter Users by Jennifer Van Grove (Mashable) http://mashable.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

10 Reasons Why You Should Sign Up for FriendFeed by Thomas Hawk http://thomashawk.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

25 Different Uses For FriendFeed by Michael Fruchter http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Keith - @tsudo

My 4 best recommendations for cleaning up your Friendfeed once you are following lots of people by Me http://ff.im/HQek - Keith - @tsudo

FFHolic.com - Great site for discovering content and people. http://ffholic.com/ - Keith - @tsudo

I joined Friendfeed, now what? by Me http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog... - Keith - @tsudo

Friendfeed Hacks Group - A place to discuss and share about tweaking Friendfeed with Greasemonkey, UserJS, Stylish, or anything to make the FF experience even better. http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Keith - @tsudo

10 Useful Tips to Using FriendFeed by Shevonne http://maketecheasier.com/10-usef... - Keith - @tsudo

15 Secrets of FriendFeed's Power Users by Louis Gray http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Keith - @tsudo

FriendFeed as a social media strategy tool by John Haydon http://johnhaydon.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

How to Share Interesting Stuff from the Web Using Google Reader and Friendfeed http://www.damondnollan.com/2009... by Damond Nollan - Keith - @tsudo

Friendfeed Search Examples by Louis Gray http://ff.im/46D9l - Keith - @tsudo

Real Time Blogging With FriendFeed http://getanewbrowser.com/2009... - Keith - @tsudo

Advanced Friendfeed Embeds by Building43 http://www.building43.com/web-too... - Keith - @tsudo

FriendFeed’s Underappreciated Value – The Comment Nexus by Mark Dykeman http://broadcasting-brain.com/2008... - Keith - @tsudo

How to Use Friendfeed as a Collaborative Business Tool by Chris Brogan http://www.chrisbrogan.com/how-to-... - Keith - @tsudo

Five Fantastic Friendfeed Filters for Flow by Steve Rubel http://www.steverubel.com/five-fa... - Keith - @tsudo

Steven Perez to Steven's feed, US Politics

Truthdig - Cartoons - I Want My America Back - http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon...

September 16 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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You know, some folks were bitching about it with W, too. Maybe they were Asians who hate round-eyes? - Alex Scrivener

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You mean, those millions of people who were marching in the streets about Bush sticking our collective neck in Iraq? You mean those people: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... - Steven Perez from IM

Alex, by and large the _particular_ people who are _currently_ up in arms about the deficit sure weren't out there protesting in the millions (or tens of thousands) and claiming this was the end of American society when it was Bush. And while some of this is the usual insanity the right has whenever there's a Democratic president, the sheer amount of race-baiting is definitely new. - Andrew C

@Alex: fuckin step off, 2/3 of my friends, AND my wife, are ethnic Chinese. - Joe Silence is not dead

Ok, I think the people just have to get used to that and it flows now to the president.. that's a shame but I hope that this is a lesson to everyone, that no-one is better then the other person... no matter what kind of race. And get back to rebuild a country what was once very beautiful.. and getting at least a bit of the shine back.. - Jaap Willem

Sorry you guys took that the wrong way. In case you missed it, I was referring to myself as someone who protested against both presidents, without it being racial either time. Some of my best friends are white people, you know. - Alex Scrivener

some of my extended family are neocons, and they're still asshats. - Joe Silence is not dead

But Alex, as someone who protested both presidents' raising of the deficit... are you seeing the same people out there? The same number of people? Are they saying similar things? - Andrew C

Some of my extended family falls into the same political category - and I love them *dearly* - doesn't change my opinion of their behavior with the current administration and the dissent they're faithfully spreading via email and activities. - ProsePetals (aka Denise)

@Andrew, Nope. A few years ago it was crazy democrats who couldn't decide if the administration was being run by a functional retard or an evil genius of Blofeldian scale. Now it's crazy republicans who can't decide if Obama is a Kenyan spy or a front for the communist party. Most people on both sides just want "their side" to win, no matter what that entails, and I end up agreeing with whoever is trying to stop those in office. - Alex Scrivener

Alex: That's easy. Bush was the stupid one and Cheney ran everything with a cat in his lap. - Steven Perez from IM

Bottom line: this caricature is simple, and spot-on. I remember the reactions I got when I spoke a single solitary syllable against Dubya - it was a cult of personality mentality from hell, and the *nicest* thing I was called was unAmerican. You just did not speak against Dubya et al without some sort of reprisal. Now? It's outlandish...on a massive scale. - ProsePetals (aka Denise)

Clearly, for anti-Obamans all moral values are out the window, the same moral values, by the way, they would like to see forced onto countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. - Rene Wirtz

@Denise, As opposed to the reasonable response speaking against Obama draws? It seems like both parties have done a neat switch-a-roo. - Alex Scrivener

One thing I was never called was a racist. *raised eyebrows* - ProsePetals (aka Denise)

@PP: I have, but I am an equal opportunity racist, I hate everybody *wink* - Rene Wirtz

LOL! I say the same thing, but replace "racist" with "bitch"...*grin* - ProsePetals (aka Denise)

Jess Sloss

A Pic from my trip in Vietnam, ah memories - "old vendor in Hoi An" - http://jesssloss.com/a-pic-f...

September 16 from Social Sloss: Digital... - Comment - Like - Share

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Niranjan to Niranjan's feed, Social Media Club, Media News and Analysis, Twitter, Twitter India

SocialToo SocialStats - http://socialtoo.com/stats...

September 16 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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LogEx to LogEx's feed, All Things Google, Google Reader

Google Reader "Send To" custom links - add yours here...

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FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/bgolub... UPDATE: looks like FF is in the default list now :) - LogEx

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Posterous: http://blog.posterous.com/send-to... - LogEx

Several good tips here: http://www.labnol.org/interne... (Save to PDF, Convert partial feed item to full feed via email, AddThis/AddToAny/ShareThis, Backtweets/Technorati/GoogleBlogSearch related conversations) - LogEx

Instapaper: http://www.willw.net/adding-... - LogEx

Google Bookmarks & AddToAny: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009... - LogEx

ping.fm: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009... & more in other comments: Gmail, generic email, Google Calendar,... - LogEx

WordPress “Press this…” on your domain: http://thingelstad.com/using-g... - LogEx

Autotranslate from another language: http://translate.google.com/transla... - Matt Cutts

This could get VERY powerful if/when GOOG adds more substitutions :) - LogEx

Is Backtype available> - TrafficBug

WOOOOOWWW - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Is Hellotxt available too? - Kol Tregaskes

Does it add pictures to post for FF like Bookmarklet ? - Jacque

And Shareaholic? - Kol Tregaskes

No pictures yet that I can figure... will either need another (smart) substitution or a URL that triggers a bookmarklet? - LogEx

GReader will need an OPML-like facility for batch-loading these ;) - LogEx

I've been dreaming about that for a long time... :) - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas, not quite the regular dream but good for you. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

@kol hehe, don't worry, i have others dreams in my life ;-) - Stanislas Jourdan

Stanislas, that's good, I was worried for a bit there. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Lifehacker adds PrintFriendly & Identica configs: http://lifehacker.com/5339214... - LogEx

Feed Buster allows pictures from GR to FF. It's just slow and limited... - Kamilah Gill

shorten with bit.ly: http://exde601e.blogspot.com/2009... - George Moga

I haven't seen Twine yet. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

MakeUseOf.com adds Iterasi & ZapReader: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag... - LogEx

another 5 services, including LinkedIn and j.mp: http://exde601e.blogspot.com/2009... - George Moga

Hutch Carpenter

Sunday morning blog post: Lego’s Innovation Won’t Stop Children’s Creativity http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009...

September 6 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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But, Hutch, I never got my Erector set! ;) I did however get Lincoln Logs which I adored!! After that I was spoiled for Legos. I was too into log cabins and my Spirogragh. ;) I gotta say I"m a hold out for the old toys..many of which I saw that even Kroger super stores are carrying. Even a mini-Etch-A-Sketch - Melanie Reed

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Loved Lincoln Logs myself. Happily built great cabins and buildings. They smelled good too. - Hutch Carpenter

Anyone ever have Mecano? - T. Brent, technopeasant

Yes! they did smell good. ;) - Melanie Reed

*meccano - T. Brent, technopeasant

Well, now Brent, there you go: Meccano was/is part of Erector...I knew I was deprived! lol I have seen these...and yes, I did secretly wish I coulda....:) http://www.amazon.com/s... - Melanie Reed

However, when I got very ill, I got into paper model building and built a theatre with a proscenium arch. I did a train and got the projects for a castle which I have yet to complete - Melanie Reed

I didn't realize that... my mum was English, and I think I got the British version... my British buddies would erect circles around me... so to speak - T. Brent, technopeasant

Melanie... did you get into set design, by any chance? - T. Brent, technopeasant

Brent, no, but I think I would have liked it. It fascinates me - Melanie Reed

:) Sounds like there's a castle project beckoning... - T. Brent, technopeasant

:) Yep, and a kitchen and algebra homework, and a web launch, and.....lol - Melanie Reed

I totally disagree - it's the experience of utilizing five senses that penetrates mind and creativity. Nice catch, and nice piece, Hutch. :) - Mona Nomura

Hey thanks Mona. - Hutch Carpenter

i guess i didn't comment directly on the article, because it seems obvious to me that these kinds of toys are helpful... in fact, i'm surprised that it's even a subject of debate - T. Brent, technopeasant

+1 Brent - Anthony Citrano

I agree Brent. It touches on concerns about "programmed" playing, with echoes of TV-saturated culture. You can see that in the psychiatrist's quote. But these toys are tactile and can be "reprogrammed" in multiple ways, subject only to kids' imagination. - Hutch Carpenter

My sons are out of the Lego phase, but my experience was similar. We did get a lot of themed sets but usually all the pieces would end up in the general Lego soup (yes, we called it soup) and they would do whatever they wanted with them. Rarely did the officially sactioned model get built at all. Interestingly, if they did build the preprogrammed model, they were loathe to tear it down and add those pieces to the soup. - John Dupuis

"Lego soup" John - that is a very good description. In our house, that becomes "lego-tinkertoy-matchbox cars" soup. - Hutch Carpenter

We had lego-bionicle soup and all the kids loved it - WorldofHiglet

We had a couple of different kinds of soup, the other main one consisting of birthday party loot bag crap and restaurant kids meal toy crap. Of course, my sons are teenagers now so the biohazards in their rooms are now often more real than metaphorical. - John Dupuis

didn't read closely... guilty! - T. Brent, technopeasant

Anika

I explained I didn't want them to get lost, that they had to look out for one another. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

September 6 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Usually, he doesn't want to hold her hand, preferring to hold his own hand (don't ask), but he was good yesterday and held on to his big sister. - Anika from Bookmarklet

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:) That is the best picture of all of the ones from yesterday in my opinion. - Joe

You are making me think about opening a flickr account. - Joe

This is really wonderful :) - Michael W. May

Aw! - Adrian

That is an awesome picture, I love it! - Michelle Martinez

Captured well :-) - Rick Cogley

Awww! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I love this shot more than words. - Kisha, Well Conditioned from BuddyFeed

So sweet. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

this is a lovely pic. - Valley

Too cute! :-) - Rene Wirtz

<3 - Anna Haro

Those are some beautiful kids Anika :D - martha

Robert Scoble

I don’t feel safe with Wordpress, hackers broke in and took things - http://scobleizer.com/2009...

September 5 from Scobleizer - Comment - Like - Share

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Well, if you have fixed the hole by upgrading; you should feel a lot safer now. I guess strong user adoption does bring the wrong kind of attention. - Anindya Chatterjee

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Anindya: we're watching. Looks like they haven't gotten back in since the upgrade and some of the other changes we made. Knock on wood. - Robert Scoble

I'm very tempted to switch to a SixApart install. As a Perl programmer I'd be much more familiar with the backend. - Jesse Stay

Robert, btw, I'm sure between all your users you can find a backup. I have a bunch via Google Reader I could get to Rackspace to import for you. I'm sure others have even older entries than I have. Let us know if you want help restoring the old scobleizer.com! - Jesse Stay

robert - i can tell you this - you need to watch it like a hawk - when i thought i was safe - i wasn't - InsideTransit continues to get hit - and I still believe there is some patches and stuff that RS can do as well - the bigger issue is what's on the server - because that's where they put the shells and then they can do whatever they want. - Allen Stern

Not cool, hopefully things will work out. - Kim Landwehr

Jesse: luckily it was July and August, when I wasn't doing much blogging. No biggie. Thanks. Allen: yes, Rackspace Cloud has a security team now and they are actively looking at ways to make Wordpress safer for our customers. It really sucks getting hacked. Let me know if you find any other ways to protect the systems. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yea getting hacked sucks. My early days with my blog aboutonlinematters.com I got hacked and luckily my ISP had a backup. Since then I have treated my Wordpress blog like any dev site - with a subversion repository and complete backup. But there are days... like today... when I think strongly about a platform like typepad. - Arthur Coleman

what i have found is locking down the files helps - but you need to ftp into your site and make sure that nothing has been edited or added - in my case, on all my sites, the hackers put files all over that were base64 files - and what they do is include them into WP or they just run them direct - nearly a full shell. i've asked RS to create a way so that i can be notified of any changes to files - they say it's too heavy to run. - Allen Stern

Robert, I just miss the traffic from your "You are SO Unfollowed!" article. (one of the casualties) ;-) - Jesse Stay

There's a lot of great info they deleted - I'm a little ticked they would be completely insensitive like that to prove a security flaw. It affected much more than just you. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: yeah, that's probably the one blog that I miss. It's also the one that got me to notice they deleted a couple of months. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: that still is cached over on Google at http://74.125.155.132/search... - Robert Scoble

No way "You are SO unfollowed" is out? I loved that one! :-( thanks for the cache Robert - Sofia @ SoMaFusion

If you have no time to take care of yuors blog, maybe it's better if you choose the pro offer from wordpress.com ( I think scobleizer.com can have the minimum requirement to stay there). - wolly

here it the VIP hosting http://en.wordpress.com/vip-hos... - wolly

wolly: it's not just about time, attacks come from all directions so you've gotta have a holistic approach to security. How many of you regularly change passwords and make sure they are really good ones? (Twitter got broken into not because of hacks, but because they didn't practice good password security). - Robert Scoble

It saddens me: it is morally reprehensible your hosting company convinced you to switch with the seduction of plugins and customization without emphasizing or handling the increased responsibility of upgrades. Your blog was not unique and not a special target, the worms sweep across millions of blogs indiscriminately and hit whatever is vulnerable. If your host is lax in upgrading, the... more... - Matt Mullenweg

that's true :-) I use password very strange and very verylong that I cannot remember and I use a service like clipperz.com to login. - wolly

wolly, Robert was hosted on WordPress.com for about 4 years -- he was actually the very first VIP. Although there were dozens of security updates to WordPress in that time, his blog never had a problem because it was always up-to-date. He only switched away a few months ago. - Matt Mullenweg

Ciao Matt :-) I didn't know that, so scoble come back to the light side :) - wolly

Matt: yup, that's true. I've learned my lesson. Running your own servers are a lot harder than just having them hosted on Wordpress.com. - Robert Scoble

To be frank, it completely breaks whatever trust I had in Rackspace. - Matt Mullenweg

But Matt, I've been talking with many blog owners, including at TechCrunch, and they say that Wordpress' updates break their custom plugins. That's why they don't upgrade immediately. So, sounds like Wordpress has a mess on its hands that the hosted version of Wordpress didn't have (I couldn't run a lot of plugins and video embeds and other fun things on the hosted version of Wordpress). So, to blame it on my hoster/employer (Rackspace) exclusively isn't really a good attitude either. - Robert Scoble

Robert, It happens. We were hacked too. My observations lead me to believe that this summer was the worst in a long time. Its a war and its going to be a war until the attitude towards hackers changes. Let's stop being fascinated in the least bit by how they do it (this goes towards Kevin Mitnick and his supporters- I don't ever want to pay good money to read about your scams on the... more... - Melanie Reed

Matt's got a point that with greater power (self-hosting) comes greater responsibility (more need to keep an eye on security), but I think to say that Scoble's blog was not a special target is a bit disingenuous. High-profile sites are always a higher-value target. - Rachel Luxemburg

Matt: I think you need to really look at all the damage that's being done to a wide range of sites, many of which are NOT hosted at Rackspace, before throwing more barbs. That's bull. Sorry. But I added a link to this conversation to my blog so people could see your point of view. - Robert Scoble

If a plugin is preventing you from upgrading (did it?) then let's figure out how to fix that plugin. All I can do in WordPress is build in the notices (your blog was asking you to upgrade for months) and the one-click updates for both core and plugins. I agree it's not your (Robert Scoble's) fault because I don't think you made the conscious decision to take on the increased responsibility. - Matt Mullenweg

Matt: the reputation around the Net is that upgrades on Wordpress break things. This wasn't a Rackspace recommendation. It's also a problem with all upgrades. I've gotten hosed by upgrades elsewhere. Look at all the people upgrading to Snow Leopard who are having things break. - Robert Scoble

Matt: TechCrunch hasn't upgraded its blog either and it wasn't hosted on Rackspace (at least not until a couple of days ago). - Robert Scoble

I'm not saying there isn't lots of misinformation around the net, I'm saying "how can I help your blog, please." If it's a plugin preventing you from upgrading, let me know the plugin and we'll fix it even if we didn't write it. That's the beauty of open source. - Matt Mullenweg

Robert -- Avoiding upgrades because they're annoying to deal with isn't a viable longterm strategy. - Rachel Luxemburg

they need to take care of Scoble's blog, well for he is a VIP and the smashing they would have would do a lot of damage to your customer base and otherwise, would they reply to an ordinary guy say like me? i think not,well wordpress/automattic is having their tough moments, hope things get well and they get their repute back - testbeta

Matt - you blaming Rackspace for security vulnerabilities in YOUR software platform is kinda like blaming Dell when a Windows box gets hacked. I think you are being irrational. - Rob La Gesse

Matt: in my case it was the REPUTATION of Wordpress's upgrades that was keeping me from upgrading. I was waiting to see what other people reported broke. I didn't realize the severity of the security problems. But, I am now upgrading automatically. So I'm fixed. But you still have a reputation problem. Lots of people are reporting things break when they upgrade. - Robert Scoble

Rob, I'm not blaming them. I'm saying it's the responsibility of any host, of any software, to stay up to date. If there was a SSH vulnerability on Robert's box I would say the same thing. Software updates are inevitable, there is no such thing as bug-free code, so staying up to date is a must. - Matt Mullenweg

Isn't all this open source code? If it's broken, why not fix it? Doesn't everyone have the responsibility to do that? It's not any one source's fault in that case. - Jesse Stay

Matt - I agree with you. So make Wordpress upgrades SAFE, automatic AND do some internal validation of plugin code to let users know they may be running something that is potentially insecure. - Rob La Gesse

Matt, agreed. Not when its turned out as fast as people are yelling for it. People can't have it both ways. - Melanie Reed

Matt: all Rackspace was providing to me was a Linux host. I was responsible for getting my upgades done on anything I ran on that system. But now we have a team making sure we're following best practices. That is NOT Rackspace's problem, though. That's like blaming Microsoft for a bug in Adobe software. - Robert Scoble

I never listen to the reputation, I always upgrade as a security upgrade is out, and if a plugin doesn't work or I deactivate it or I fix it. Security is much more important than a plugin and Matt knows how many plugins has my blog (when he looked my backend he was very sad ad he said that it was the first time for him to see so many plugin in a blog :-) ) To have a self host blog it's difficult and time expensive. - wolly

There are several very useful plugins specifically addressing security issues; and monitoring WP for suspicious activities (both on file and database level). Here are some articles with tips to harden your blog http://bit.ly/sZgh6 (delicious bookmarks). I only install plugins from authors from whom I know that they implement top level php; no breaking of upgrades on my 3 WP blogs has taken place (2.7-2.8-2.8.4) - Jeroen De Miranda

Yeah, plugin issues are the responsibility of the plugin developer, not Wordpress's. I don't see how this is Wordpress's or Rackspace's fault. - Jesse Stay

By the way, Matt, Sheamus, over on my comments on my blog, says he has the latest upgrades in place and he's still being broken into. You might help him figure out how the hackers are breaking in still. - Robert Scoble

Sorry, I was under the impression Rackspace had recommended you move away from WordPress.com and taken responsibility for the system. I was worried about your blog -- I emailed you about this in August but never heard back. It breaks my heart when someone's WordPress gets compromised. - Matt Mullenweg

I understand the feeling though - if people are still being broken into after being told a fix was made, especially if you're not a developer, that can be a little scary. I'd look to other solutions in that case if it were me, and it's no one's fault. It's just perception and fear, very valid fear. - Jesse Stay

I do believe there is a false sense of securty that WORDPRESS fosters by hosting plugins. I think many assume that because they download the pluging VIA Wordpress, and FROM Wordpress, it is somehow vetted. - Rob La Gesse

Matt: no. I wanted to move to my own install of Wordpress so that I could run many more plugins and start doing stuff other professional bloggers were doing. I am learning very quickly just how much work goes on behind the scenes to make sure my words were protected. - Robert Scoble

Once you've been hacked once if you don't clean up every trace (preferably a systems person does this) it's very likely something is left that allows the spammers to easily break back in, regardless of what version you're on. That's why the trouble with upgrading is worth it, it's much, much less than the trouble of fixing a hacked blog. - Matt Mullenweg

Jesse: yeah, at Microsoft when a box got broken into they wouldn't let you use it anymore. They forced you to reinstall it with all patches loaded. They assumed that it was compromised and that someone stuck a back door in somewhere. That's a lot of work too. - Robert Scoble

install either wp-backup or wp-dbmanager and configure database backup: every day; download to your local pc (or to a system other than your hosting provider); run a check once a month to see whether you can reconstruct the blog in case of calamity, That is my procedure; works fine. - Jeroen De Miranda

if a commoner gets hacked, then he should move to wordpress.com services or what? - testbeta

they should just make it not have any security holes! - Mark

Robert, if you like I'd be happy to host your blog for you (and I'm on Rackspace servers). I can keep it secure as well. I'd only ask some mention of SocialToo somewhere (or payment of some form in order to cover the cost of bandwidth). - Jesse Stay

I would also be able to keep it backed up for you. - Jesse Stay

So the take away messages are: 1) hosting services like Rackspace support the hardware and OS layer and you're are on your own for everything else, 2) maintaining your own website is difficult work, even for experienced IT professionals, 3) social media experts may not really know how to use the social media tools they are recommending, and 4) while hosted applications like Wordpress.com provide less flexibility, they take less effort and can be more reliable for the average small business. - Steve Wilhelm

I'll also install any plugins you're interested in trying - Jesse Stay

Jesse: in my case, I now have a team of the top security guys at Rackspace working on it and making sure my system is up to date and backed up. They also are learning a lot about this and other people who have had problems and are building a list of best practices. - Robert Scoble

This is eventually why I didn't go with Mosso. The service looks good, but you still have to manage your app yourself which opens you up to problems like you've experienced. It would be cool if they offered another layer of management on top so apps could be completely hands free. - Todd Hoff

the alternative (i.e. strong vetting of all plugins) would turn the whole WordPress ecosphere into something such as Ning.... only some 300 addons (as far as I know); little flexibility very intransparent how to get your addin accepted .... Not an attractive model for me.... - Jeroen De Miranda

Robert, excellent - just wanted to make sure the offer was out there. Maybe that could be a tiered service for Rackspace, although I'm not sure it's something Rackspace wants to get into. Bluehost barely makes any money off of that type of service. - Jesse Stay

Steve: I think that's a reasonable set of assumptions. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. When I was on Wordpress.com I was always jealous of blogs that were able to run the latest plugins and use the latest embed codes from various sites. - Robert Scoble

Robert, it's even more fun when you can customize the plugins and themes as a developer. :-) - Jesse Stay

@testbeta wrdpress.com is a very good choice if you don't have time or you don't know how to manage security on yors self hosted blog - wolly

wolly: that takes out the open source fun part ;) well i have nothing much to do on my blogs so i keep mine updated ;) - testbeta

I agree with you :-) but many people love blogging non update theirs blogs :-) - wolly

when my sites were hacked - a wordpress employee reached out to me- i dont remember her name but we sent a few emails - i could write for days about what happened to my 5 sites - my take is simple - i think the issues are a combo of rackspace (my host) and wordpress (my software) - i can tell you this - in 3+ yrs on drupal, i was NEVER hacked. and Matt is right - the real issue is that... more... - Allen Stern

Allen - what version of WP are you running today? - Rob La Gesse

2.8.4 on all of them - Allen Stern

Allen - good :) - Rob La Gesse

If there's a shell script on the same server as you, even if it's not your account, everything on that server is at risk regardless of the software or its version. - Matt Mullenweg

Matt - that is NOT true - Rob La Gesse

I would switch to a new server if I were infected at this point. - Jesse Stay

Properly configured, user space can be isolated and these scripts cannot cross-pollinate. - Rob La Gesse

It can be -- but publish a shell login on your server and we'll see. ;) The right answer is to scrub that sort of access. - Matt Mullenweg

Matt - that comment on the "shell script" is silly. What are you actually trying to say? - Robert J Taylor

Some sort of backdoor that allows a remote user to execute code -- it's super common. - Matt Mullenweg

rob/matt - that wsa one of the biggest issues with my RS account - i had all the sites together in one "client" so when they hacked one - they were able to move around with their shell script into all my other sites - now each site is in a sep. "client" so the damage can only hurt me on one site - and believe me it does hurt :( i believe insidetransit and centernetworks are hit in google - Allen Stern

@Scobleizer I'm sticking with @wordpress it doesn't worry me that much, plus I always update and have backups of db and site emailed to me - Justin Yost

Allen - that was within one user space though. So what I stated above still stands true. - Rob La Gesse

Allen and Robert are big enough that if they had a problem they could contact us and we'd help them, though as far as I know neither did, but I worry a lot more about smaller folks who get hit in the same way. The knowledge for how to properly clean up after a hack is more systems than software and not widespread. - Matt Mullenweg

As Allen mentioned above, he did have a conversation with Wordpress. - Rob La Gesse

matt - thanks for putting me in the same category as robert! *blush* - i did reach out to you - and your security guy was helping me big time - it seemed to turn out that the WP Contact Form 7 was the thing that caused it to start - i didn't document it all online because the security guy wanted time to get the plugin developer to fix the upload hole. - btw his name was mark jaquith and he was great - Allen Stern

So why not some scheme where Wordpress vets a plugin and "blesses it" - perhaps a small charge for this service? As long as Wordpress is advertising plugins on the dashboard I think there ample reason to hold Wordpress to some level of accountability for those plugins - Rob La Gesse

rob - that's what i told mark - they should offer that service for a tiny fee - stamp a "certified" stamp on it. - Allen Stern

Just updated all my sites, doesnt look I was hit. - sean percival

sean - no one would hit you - they know you would lala all over them - Allen Stern

sean - happy for you! - Rob La Gesse

I've read almost all of the comments here, not hearing these mentioned once: Robert did not backup, kept the default 'admin' username and failed to update. These are three of the most basic security measures out there. Not blaming it on Robert, because we all fail on this sometimes, but these basics really are important! - Abounding Media

http://twitter.com/markjaq... warning of Mark in April - kept me away from WP contact form 7 - Jeroen De Miranda

Abounding: yup. And the lesson here is don't host your own version of Wordpress unless you have a security team making sure you're doing it right and backing up (something I never did on Wordpress.com, by the way). Oh, and Twitter taught us that even if you do all of that you've gotta make sure you pick great passwords and think through ways that social hacks could be done to get into your accounts. - Robert Scoble

I've written a much longer post on this: http://wordpress.org/develop... - Matt Mullenweg

http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2008... some great tips of Mark Jaquith on writing secure plugins - I use these and other tips when scanning the PHP code of new plugins that I intend to use (before deploying them) - Jeroen De Miranda

Jeroen, thanks for posting that. I've had phishers getting into one of my WP installs recently, but couldn't tell which plugin it was. I deactivated two plugins, including CF7, the other day, and haven't had any more problems. And a shoutout to Ryan Boren on the WP dev team for helping me to de-infect. - John Craft

Robert: Welcome to the world of web development for impatient users and disgruntled hackers - Melanie Reed

http://wordpress.org/develop... great post of Matt Mullenweg about WordPress security! - Jeroen De Miranda

john - the CF7 is what killed me a few months ago - it's because the form allows uploads even if you don't actually have them on - i believe they patched it but i have not gone back there. - Allen Stern

anybody know if a little smily face appearing in the lower right hand corner of ones footer is a sign of a compromise on a self hosted wp blog? - Richard Reeve

John, your are welcome! SQL injects attacks specifically exploit data entry fields used by the plugin; one should at least scan the PHP code of these plugins, and look at what kind of escape functions are used around handling of the data entry. - Jeroen De Miranda

"it's because the form allows uploads even if you don't actually have them on" - wow. That's bad. - John Craft

Richard is wp-stats smily :-) - wolly

"anybody know if a little smily face appearing in the lower right hand corner of ones footer is a sign of a compromise on a self hosted wp blog?" - if you didn't put it there, it probably is. In your admin go to appearance, theme editor, and read the footer.php file. - John Craft

Richard - are you using the WordPress.com Stats plugin? - Andre Natta

some plugins worth considering to install are: wp-exploit-scanner, wordpress file monitor, WP security scan, anti virus - Jeroen De Miranda

I don't understand why people are worried about a plugin breaking when it comes to upgrading WordPress. If a plugin does break, disable it for the time being. I rather have a secure installation of WordPress running and would worry about fixing the plugin afterwards. - Jason Hansen

Hmmmm . . . I run WP Stats, but see no smiley face. - John Craft

ah...thanks folks...stats it is. phew...so I'm not paranoid... - Richard Reeve

There appears to be some a-holes who can break into wordpress blogs very easily. I'm not sure at this point that the new Wordpress Thesis blog that I'm interested in getting is safe either. There is some security issues with Wordpress and their incompetence to fix the problem is growing every year. They keep coming out with new versions to replace the old versions yet they still have a problem. This is serious guys. - Jeunelle Foster

The problem with WordPress is that it forces you to upgrade. Imagine if Microsoft forced everybody to upgrade to Vista/Windows 7 in order to get their security holes plugged. WordPress should release security patches for the current and at least for the previous version. - Nikolay Kolev

They dont force you to upgrade. If you dont want to patch, you can leave it at the current version ( but with a risk ) - Kashif Khan

Where's the patch for the 2.7 version then? - Nikolay Kolev

Their versioning strategy bumps up numbers even for patches . And how many versions behind should they support ? - Kashif Khan

Many of the WordPress security issues are not coming from the WordPress itself, but from the poorly written WordPress plugins. I think it would be nice if Automattic starts an "Automattic Certified" program giving blog owners the peace of mind they need. Every hacker can upload a plugin at WordPress.org, advertise it as something great, bloggers install it, see that it's nothing as advertised, uninstall it, but the WordPress instances are already hacked. - Nikolay Kolev

Plugins are open source and free and nobody (well, with some exceptions) would pay to get their free plugin certified. The only way to do this is by having a community review process, based on some credibility score and voter authority system where 1,000 fake hacker accounts won't, for example, outweigh Matt's or Mark's votes. - Nikolay Kolev

part of the problem is the cry wolf syndrome - if i updated every day wordpress had a security problem i'd want to be salaried on the payroll :D Wordpress needs some sort of alert notification - twitter or something that indicates if there's an update AND the severity and if its severe enough sends it to my phone. - mal

let me play the other side of the coin - i've been using vbulletin for my forums for probably more than 5 years - and it's never once been hacked - why is this - is it because it's paid? is it just more secure? would love to get some input on why wordpress seems to be the attacker's gold. - Allen Stern

@allenstern because it pays back better to have wp hacked - A.T.

Another devil - I have clients using Expression Engine for years (with plugins) and haven't had a problem either. Checking security sites, EE has had very few vs the many with WP and some with Drupal. Matts suggestion that one hosts with him to avoid problems and keep updated just isn't in the cards for business sites. Just too many vulnerabilities with WP over the years for me to recommend it. - PXLated

i can tell you that within 2 days of moving from drupal to wp, my sites were hacked - all of them - and it made me seriously question the move - the reasons i moved were because wp is a bit easier to edit/code than drupal and because the admin panel in wordpress is awesome compared to the crap panel in drupal - i wrote up a whole post about why i moved - i'd like to see matt write a post about their qa and security procedures for their releases - Allen Stern

Alen, once Drupal 7 get released, you may actually go back. :) - Nikolay Kolev

Robert - If I were you I'd move away from Wordpress and fast. Its security record is dire and has been for ages. Other solutions are a lot more stable, whereas Wordpress seems to have security bugs every second week. Why anyone puts up with it is really beyond me. I moved to MovableType and haven't had to worry about caching issues or security problems - Michele Neylon

#somethingpersonal WP calls you "technical evengelist", Robert. When you say «Yes, I didn’t have a backup. I should learn to do backups» I call you a mediawhore. Nothing TECH-NI-CAL, just bulled ego. Learn Security, Performance, Reliability, you ignorant piece. - Ontology Nazi

Robert - "the reputation around the Net is that upgrades on Wordpress break things" I'm sorry but that's just not true, I use many many plugins across about 20 sites and I've only ever ONCE had a plugin break during a WP upgrade. - John O'Nolan

Definitely check if Google Reader has your lost posts - as of a few months ago, it didn't handle deletes very well :) - Michael Herf

This recent wave of WordPress incidents shows the negative side of using open source software. Matt says that there are many people looking into WordPress' source code, but the problem is that probably half of those people have malicious reasons for doing so. - Nikolay Kolev

@Matt - why not have a module that adds *automatic* upgrades? The one-click update feature is very nice, but zero clicks is better. With a decent snapshot/rollback system you could update most people securely right away--email them and let them rollback if something breaks. - Michael Herf

@robert: we might be able to help you recover the lost blog posts if you want. Google Reader has an archive of them and we helped another blogger in the past recover her losses. Let me know if we can help. - Edwin Khodabakchian

@matt when do you start to care about poor people unlike robert... who can't afford *VIP* i am willing to pay $25+ per month of course with my adsense ads :} - Imran Jafri

@robert by the way you made one of the worst choice to move away from wordpress.com i think it wasn't price issue rather you wanted to be brand *ambassador* for rackspace which was only possible if you host your blog on their damn servers... if i get enough visitors i would switch to wordpress.com vip without taking 2nd breathe........ - Imran Jafri

I run just a few plugins, and research and vet them first. And upgrade to new WP versions within a week. Look, attacks happen, running self-hosted can get complicated. But this is true with any software or OS - Bob Morris (polizeros) from iPhone

Nikolay, it's always better to have more people looking at the code, because a bug that's been found is better than a bug that hasn't. WordPress used to get almost no security problems and people thought it was because it was coded differently, when in fact it was coded far worse than it is today it just didn't have enough users to make it worthwhile to target. Also where many... more... - Matt Mullenweg

Nikolay: I would also push back against your assumption that using Open Source software equals less security. Microsoft Windows and OS X are both closed source and both have security holes - there is a competition each year to help MS and Apple find them and fix them. Both Apple and Microsoft came away with security holes to fix this year. So just because it's open source doesn't... more... - Tim

that's what you get for the fun of installing and hosting your own installation, instead of using "the cloud". - Ihar Mahaniok

Robert - I recommend WP S3 Backups for backing up your database to off-site storage. Amazon S3 is a great place to host backups of your Wordpress database and is relatively inexpensive. You *always* want backups *off* the server so in case the server is compromised, the backups are still clean. This plugin works like a charm, is automatic and could have saved you. Cheers! - Scott Jarkoff

anybody know of a test that can be done to see if a wp blog has been compromised? Has a few strange user subscriptions about a week ago...but not noticing any thing else...I did upgrade weeks ago, but soon enough? - Richard Reeve

bug exploits keep security IT folks in their day job, sad but true. - Jim Posner

In IT it keeps me busy but the reality is if you update your software on a regular basis you can minimize these from affecting you. - Rob Cairns

Robert, any chance archive.org has some of your old blog posts? Google Cache? - drew olanoff

Matt, another thing to note is that Wordpress.com is often blocked in China (even if you have your own custom URL like scobleizer.com). There are advantages to NOT being hosted by Wordpress.com although your point about increased responsibilty for keeping up with security patches is still valid. - Elliott Ng

Drew: yeah, but what do I do? Just republish them? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Sure why not. Scoble's best of. Reason why I hate stuff on the net sometimes is good stuff gets lost. - drew olanoff

Give a try to the "WordPress Database Backup" plugin for WordPress and you'll receive regular backups on your email - Francois Lamotte

Robert, You can get all of your lost blog post html out of Google Reader. I'm not exactly sure how to link Disqus back, maybe it's as simple as re-adding the old posts with the same title/date i.e. Url (I don't use it). Yet another reason to use FULL RSS feeds (instead of summary). See RSS isn't dead.. it's now a backup tool too! (http://ff.im/7JrlC) - Chris Myles

Wordpress is a great blogging tool. It is however the largest target now - much like how Windows gets a crap-top more virii because it's the most used system. Someone used Drupal as am example of security... well I'm sure if Drupal was anywhere near the scale of usage Wordpress is you'd see hacks for that too. - Gregory Wild-Smith

Robert: Just repost them with the dates set to the original dates they were posted. Simple, and no-one will ever know ;) - Gregory Wild-Smith

I have always had a bad feeling about Wordpress. YMMV. - Gordon Joly from twhirl

Robert It could be a Rackspace problem and Not a Wordpress Problem. They might to increase there security on the Rackspace!!! You should checck into that!! - Paul

One of the reasons I waited 2 years to switch from MovableType to WordPress was due to the security issues. I felt that the track record improved over the past year and moved 11 sites over. I can say this I employ a very extensive back up scheme but still worry about it. The ability to upgrade with a single click of a button has made it much easier to upgrade, but I always worry which plugins are going to break as I use a lot of plugins. - Todd Cochrane

It's interesting to me to see the number of people who are "afraid" to implement a security update because it might break a plugin. I wonder if these are the same people who don't run system updates on Mac or Windows because it might break SIMBL or some other haxie. Your core = your core... without it you're smoked. Case in point: Scoble. If your plugins aren't working after an update, let the author know and request an update, but BY ALL MEANS don't ignore security upgrades. - Kevin Donahue

hmm... I think that a lot of this conversation is missing something. Most software security updates are usually tested in hosts and thus delayed in their own releases by at the minimum of a week's time usually. This is due to hosting internal testing of patches before rolling it out to all servers. Now, whether or not RS actually performs these types of procedures, I don't know... but I... more... - Ben Hwang

First: I keep my blog up to date. Always. Fuck plugins, I decided that when I made the decision to use WP for my blog that updates would be a priority, only because of all the security issues that I remember from the early early days. Having said that, I have to agree with Robert that the perception with WordPress, despite all the work with auto-updates and in-blog notification is STILL... more... - Christina Warren from iPod

I am spending the day finally making a back-up of my web space, then the upgrade. - Sebastian Keil

you are right to not feel safe: when you are on the dominant platform, holes get taken advantage of really fast. At least it being open source you know it will also get plugged fast - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

"what do I do? Just republish them?" - Robert, you can set the published date to the original July or August date in the "new post" form. Where it says "publish immediately," click "edit". - John Craft

I couldn't disagree more that the reputation is that an upgrade will break a plugin. How many plugins reach into the Wordpress core and screw around with it? Less than 5%? Any examples of plugins that broke w/ 2.8.4? - beersage

Somebody hacked into my WordPress blog earlier this year as well. It was a bummer because I was working on a draft copy of a blog post that was very rough and had not been edited and they published it. I was on vacation shooting in Chicago and didn't figure it out until several hours after they'd already published it. Fortunately they didn't seem to do anything malicious other than... more... - Thomas Hawk

@Robert: "[Rackspace] are learning a lot about this and other people who have had problems and are building a list of best practices." Is it possible this list is something RS might share? - John House

@Matt Mullenweg: I do like WordPress (even though we had a public argument with you and another Automattic employee on TechCrunch a while ago) and I am a passionate supporter of open source software - don't get me wrong. But sometimes open source code makes it a bit easier for hackers! For example, one hacker hears about an exploit and without communicating with others, finds the hole independently by just looking into the source code and starts exploiting it on his own. - Nikolay Kolev

Gregory Wild-Smith Bingo! - Melanie Reed

Social Media Club blogs got hit as well as several of our personal blogs (still sorting it all out). We try to keep up on most upgrades, but every time we do, simple plugins (like the Event calendar) break. Seems silly, but we have hours of work after each upgrade to try and keep everything intact, and sometimes, we end up downgrading until the 'essential' plugins catch up, which... more... - Kristie Wells

I have 2 wordpress blogs. One on my own domain and one at wordpress central. Still can't get my head around their upgrade gymnastics - may just stick with eBlogger after all. - Houseofmax

i don't know what will happen in times to come but from the existing platforms, i love wordpress and i am not going anywhere, but that doesn't matter for wordpress right? ;) - testbeta

Robert, at the end of it is just only your bloody laziness in upgrading that led you here :) Jokes aside, please at least be honest and say you didn't upgradede twice... :p. - Matteo Flora

Nope. I upgraded to 2.8.4 as soon as it was out but the hackers had already broken in. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

The fact that WordPress is currently being exploited doesn't mean that other platforms are immune. For example, the recently discovered XSS issue with Ruby on Rails makes not only blogs, but every unpatched site a target. So, the only issue I'm having is forcing us to upgrade to a new major version without much time to do proper testing (I'm not talking about personal blogs here). I... more... - Nikolay Kolev

So Techdirt was hacked a bit ago. See their reaction: http://www.techdirt.com/article... it is the reality of owning a web site guys - ANY software is hackable if someone really wants in. - Adam Singer

@Robert: as I see it Wordpress is as vulnerable as any other web app. Upgrading does good, but preemptive security does more and better. I know Matt and he knows I'm in awe with him and Automattic but simply spoken I DON'T TRUST WORDPRESS as I don't trust any other software. A little WebApp Security Firewall (or at least a little .htaccess rules for admin and preemptive locking of... more... - Matteo Flora

i find it interesting, and depressing that people are blaming Rackspace, they're blaming Wordpress, they're blaming Robert, but no one, *no one* seems to be willing to blame the only, ONLY people who deserve blame: the evolutionary failures that attacked Robert's blog. - John C. Welch

Thanks to your post, I found backdoor Admin in my own blog (created yesterday apparently). Promptly deleted it, upgraded blog and took other measures, which I blogged about - Adi Rabinovich

@Matt Mullenweg: "so staying up to date is a must. - Matt Mullenweg" You gave the birth to one of the coolest piece of free software on the net, also your community is strong an love-full, you can do some PRs listening to Scoble that is crying, but you couldn't do anything better than you did. Take it easy man, all your competitors still suck. (PS. also a cleaning utility to understand better if everything is ok on our hosts would be cool ;-) - righini riprova

Matt: What does a user need to provide, in order to be considered for a VIP wordpress.com account? - Jim Connolly

caveat operator - Mike Chelen

Take technology out of the picture. Something bad happened by some bad person. Happens every day... it's called crime. If a bad person got into my house because I had a weak lock or left my door unlocked, what do people usually say? "That bad person shouldn't have done that!"? Well, sure, but bad people do bad things... nothing we can do to stop them other than make it harder or... more... - Chris Hearn

I would simply like to reiterate the point that if you're going to put free open source software on a rented web server, you need to either know how to administer it or hire someone to do it for you. Neither Rackspace or Wordpress are to blame here. We discuss this with our clients all the time who view web development as a one off expense, then get upset when their site is hacked because it wasn't maintained. - JP Maxwell

One more point, I think there are way too many false lines drawn over aras of responsibility - "I'm systems, not a PHP programmer. I'm a PHP programmer, not a Javascript person. I'm a designer, not a programmer or a systems person." If you are a WEB developer or responsible for maintaining hosted WEB applications, you need to know a bit about it all. It simply isn't sufficient to demarcate your knowledge sphere and point your finger at the other guy. - JP Maxwell

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September 6 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Passeando pela Recoleta encontrei a Vasalissa Chocolatier. - Mitchell Tsai from Bookmarklet

Recoleta: Callao, 1940. Tel. 4806 4158. Das 10:00 às 20:00. - Mitchell Tsai

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50 things that are being killed by the internet - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...

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"Below we have compiled - in no particular order - 50 things that are in the process of being killed off by the web, from products and business models to life experiences and habits." - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet

Join us in the "Media News and Analysis" group as we examine the world's main source of information and entertainment, The Media ;-) http://friendfeed.com/media-n... - Brad Williamson

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HOW-TO: Turn your Mac or PC into a home security system - http://www.engadget.com/2005...

September 4 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Looking to set this up on my Mac, emailing out image & audio attachments to FriendFeed ;) - CannonGod from Bookmarklet

Good info. - Joe

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Stanford “Frankencamera” project aims to create an open source imaging platform - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...

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The “Frankencamera” created by Mark Levoy’s lab uses essentially off-the-shelf parts: a TI system on a chip, Canon EF lenses, a generic LCD screen, and a Nokia N95’s photo sensor of all things. It’s ugly, bulky, and fragile, but that’s the way prototypes tend to be - polou/indigo_bow from Bookmarklet

I would love to write scripts for my camera to do things like time lapse. Like how the custom firmware CHDK is for Canon P&S cameras. - Rodfather

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I'm cutting down on reading news. Why? My theory is that truly important news will come to you.

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Eventually? But I want mine now now now! - Daniel

Agreed!! - courtney benson

did you by any chance watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Valeria Maltoni

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handa: sweethomestyle: aptj: Sunset - http://flipside.scribkin.com/post...

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September 1 from Mo's Stew - Comment - Like - Share

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What the heck is even going on here? - Kyle Wegner

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Maybe he has a Saturday Night Fever - Johnny Worthington

Fire-ants in his pant? Stop, Drop and Roll! - Dean "Karnatos" Michaud

This is so insane. I keep trying to make up stories about what is happening but nothing makes sense. - Lindsey is Fierce!

lol! it looks like someone has dropped a spider down his back - Jay

Quite clearly they are all on a spaceship anchored close to the sun... This guy's gravity boots malfunction, causing him to be pulled towards the sun's great gravity - Johnny Worthington

Here's the video, with audio http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

It happened live on one of the biggest Turkish TV channel. - Jacque

guys, he's barrel-rolling. - bora "head" basman

If I'm not mistaken, sabri bey: Havada durdum şahitlerim var. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken this means "I floated on the air and I have witnesses".. Aha the guy is really out of his mind. - Jacque

Looks like the other guy is a politician. So, this guy is just terribly offended by what Mr. Politico said, he had to roll away. - Yolanda

Poor guy was intended to convince people that he can float on the air... As far as I remember, he got kicked out of the studio right after this... Sooo ridiculous!!! haha - Onur Kabadayi

really?! ahaha! - Jay

I dunno, just find it hilarious how quickly the guy changes demeanor - Mo Kargas

This guy must be on acid. - Peter Ghosh

Am I the only who thought "You are not the father." ? - EricaJoy

EricaJoy, I think you just nailed it! LOL - Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)

Mental - AJ Batac

He kinda did float on air there for a second. - Josh Haley

Haha Erica - Rodfather

This crazy man was claming that he has some unnatural abilites coming from his spiritual believes, like flying etc. Well, seeing this proves what he is capable of =) - Hakan Deryal

lol EricaJoy - Gus

this one is even funnier spoof : http://www.bobiler.org/t... - Alemsah Ozturk

:))))))))))))))))))) - Farshad

:)))))))))))))))) عجب خشانتی ! - RokhSaare

just , trying to fly - I've seen live :) - Umut ( Byumut.Com )

I don't know why people think this guy is weird. He came to the TV show with claiming that he can fly! I think he is very stable and rational guy. His actions reflect his ideas. - denizoktar

look out his sigthness before taking off... he got in his airfcraft..:)) - Soner Bayır

Good one Erica ;) - Alejandro

Wow, he just sat back down on the sofa like nothing happened. Thanks for the video link, Ken. - Andrew C

OMG, that's weird and funny :D - Kristian Salonen

nonsense guy have been tried to create attention. - Me fallit ஐ

Hey ! He is my uncle assholes ! He can really fly! Can't you see ? - fred feed

It was a Jack Black impersonation. Not too shabby. But seriously, unreal. - Micah Wittman

now we know how Glenn Beck's gonna react when his last sponsor ditches him. - Joe Silence is not dead

It was a very Belushi-like stunt. - Peter Ghosh

he believes he can fly... don`t let anything stop you dude ! keep trying :) - Ersan Bilik

tragic!! - Baris

Penny

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Awwww. Cute! - Mycaptain

<3 - Anna Haro

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