Some great programs on this list. I would have included Chrome instead of Safari, though. I think Safari for Windows isn't quite ready for prime time yet, neither version 3 nor 4 beta.
- Ray Metzen
the fact that you have safari on this list means you have never actually used it for windows
- Zach Scott
If you're a blogger, Windows Live Writer is a great free app and one that I'd have on my list - it's a rare gem from Microsoft ...
- Patrick Jordan
@Patrick, I have used Live writer, I also agree it is a rare gem from Microsoft. I honestly don't like it though.
- TheHenry
You must be smoking if you think Safari's a Top 10 Windows app
- LANjackal
Not smoking. BTW I took what all you said, and I changed it to google Chrome. :)
- TheHenry
I find the Safari 3 to be a bit more better than the chrome, I didn't like the beta layout of the four though. Something was very un-safariish like.
- Faraz Mullick
Faraz, it's probably because they appropriated Google's layout. TBH I actually like Chrome more than Safari, personally.
- Chieze Okoye
Didn't like the list, and I don't use most of them. A bit lame.
- Ozkan Altuner
Hey, its one man's opinion. Don't hate. He amended the Safari recommendation which should give him some breathing room ;).
- Adi
Nice Apps listed. CCleaner is highly recommended for Windows users.
- Nicholas James
Notice that, of the applications listed, 4 are available as native Linux apps (VLC, Thunderbird, Gimp, Picasa), one is due to be available on Linux (Google Chrome), and 2 address Windows' shortcomings compared to Linux (CCleaner, FileHippo).
- Ghodmode
from twhirl
that's because you have continuously thanked people or added bullshit comments everytime others have commented. And your alter-ego Techno Todd seems to do the same. Were really not stupid TheHenry - whatever you might think.
- Zee.
You missed the best windows app, the logoff button :-)
- Keith Bennett
from Nambu
Chrome should be there rather than Safari. And Thunderbird is the ugliest mail app I've ever used. Functional for sure, but really, really needs a UI re-write.
- Sparky
I'm a Google Chrome user by default (on my home laptop).
- Mike Reynolds
I am. Since the day it came out. Ad-block using windows HOSTS file. :-)
- vijay
Chrome is default on my work laptop, but waiting for Linux version for home PC. To be honest, I don't miss extensions that much, except for Mozilla Weave. I have (re)discovered bookmarklets. I would prefer to have "/" to start a search instead of ctrl-f.
- Warren Butler
Been using Chrome (as my default) since day one. =)
- deepikaur
I haven't even used it ever. This is mostly because i'm on Linux though...
- Tom Ribbens
from IM
I have never used it because I'm on a Mac. I do use Windows but this is the bigger issue: why do I need another new browser? What's wrong with Firefox? I have tons of add ons that I love and can't see browsing the net without them. Flock is a good one with its unique features. Even Orca has something unique about it. It doesn't seem like Chrome offers enough of a new dimension to browsing that I should really care. Why bother? If they're gonna make a browser, why wouldn't they give us a reason to switch?
- Nathan Mylott
Nathan: I disagree to a point. As noted before, I haven't tried it, but supposedly javascript performance is way better than anything that was out when they first released Chrome. This is major in today's world I believe. I'm an avid user of Meebo, and it often is very noticable that Meebo is a javascript application that actually is too heavy for many browsers.
- Tom Ribbens
I also read Firefox is taking on the battle with Chrome and is working on optimizing its javascript engine too. For this, I thank Chrome for making my browser of choice faster, and therefor making my IM client of choice also faster.
- Tom Ribbens
Nathan, you raise good points there. What attracts me to Chrome are its speed, particularly re javascript as Tom pointed out too, the clean UI and the option to create desktop shortcuts for frequently used websites. What keeps me using Firefox is mostly the extensions and toolbars I don't want to do without. However, there are also things that bug me in Firefox (most notably the huge memory footprint), and that's why I'm on the lookout for another default browser.
- Ray Metzen
I switched from Firefox to Chrome as well. Speed, thanks to the optimization for javascript, is the major issue, especially when I'm using my Vista-powered HP 2133. I'm not sure how long Google can keep me on Chrome, but I must say thank you to them, 'coz they push the browser war to another level.
- Jansen Lu
I would like to but no addon support yet. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
I've been on-and-off the chrome, but decided to switch fulltime when it came out of beta.
- Sung W. Lim
Chrome is default for all things not SEO-related. For SEO i need plugins and toolbars, which leaves Firefox/Flock as the only option.
- Egor Kunovsky
Chromium nightly builds for me! Chrome is great. It loads up everything so much faster then FF, and I love the all-in-one search/address bar and inbuilt memory manager.
- Will Higgins™
For me, it can't be default without addon support. So for now FF is still my default but I do use Chrome for few things.
- Dee S.
I've been on and off Chrome for about a month. I'd say I use it ~70% of the time. Most days I'm impressed with its speed - but some days (like today) I get tired of having to hunt down rss feeds and being unable to use add-ons (especially adblock plus).
- Ayo
I decided today to change form FF to Chrome!
- psioniks
i use firefox only..... at least, till now :)
- yagami
Using Chrome as default but also have a screen with Firefox because I like Feedly, Google Bookmarks, Extensions. Tabs can be dragged and dropped Chrome to Firefox and back quite easily (just URL)
- Julian Edward
I did til today. The new dev build make mine crashes every two minutes. I'm back on Fx 3 til the next update. Good to keep up with Fx improvements!
- Jérôme Flipo
I also noticed that some websites make chrome beta version crash (facebook particularly). that's quite annoying but it doesn't happen so often to me.
- Stanislas Jourdan
For the last month Chrome has been my default. I've noticed that I don't need all the extentions from Firefox. Bookmarklets works for the most part (for me). The biggest reason why I use Chrome is the speeeeeeeed!:)
- Patrik Johansson
a larger screen is also appreciable :). As Patrik said, many extensions are not so important. The most important thing is the content in the middle ;)
- Stanislas Jourdan
I was using Chrome, now I'm using Firefox B4, might switch back, but a clean install made Firefox so nice and snappy, which was why I was using Chrome....
- Canageek
Well, people die from it cause nobody has any prior immunity to it (no vaccine). So worse than normal flu.
- Roberto Bonini
1. It's been killing teenagers and young adults; this was a hallmark of the 1918 flu epidemic; most flus strike the young and elderly.
- Glen Mistletoe
2. no one has any existing immunity, and none of our existing vaccines confer immunity.
- Glen Mistletoe
There's no cure for the common flu. It's completely a media circus.
- Alex Scoble
There is no cure FOR ANY VIRUS. Period. the best we can do is vaccinate. and Vaccines are not a cure.
- Roberto Bonini
Yeah - that's my take - there's no cure for the common flu either, and there are still many people that don't get vaccinated for the common flu (it's not required by government). I still don't see the difference.
- Jesse Stay
I think a lot of people are confusing "fear" with "informed." We're certainly better-informed than past generations. IMHO most people not in the directly-affected areas (Mexico) are not living in fear of it; they're just being cautious and prudent. Not a bad thing.
- Glen Mistletoe
Glen, if I'm reading the media right, I would interpret it as fear. You don't see people rushing to get N95 masks for the common flu do you?
- Jesse Stay
Thank you, Roberto—your statement overturns years of preparation and science. This uninformed blather is what's causing a lot of the confusion. I'm sure your background in epidemiology is impressive, but the people who have spent the last 20 years developing antiviral medicines might disagree with you.
- Glen Mistletoe
N95 masks are out of stock at the moment - that's pure fear if you ask me.
- Jesse Stay
Even if most were vaccinated against the common flu (the UK vaccinates the elderly for free), this is a different virus (different DNA/ RNA, etc), so it wouldn't help much.
- Roberto Bonini
Jesse—I carry a fire extinguisher in my car. Not out of fear; just to be safe.
- Glen Mistletoe
My wife is asthmatic and works very closely with many Mexican immigrants; if she wants to wear a mask, you can call it what you like. I think it's just being prudent. (She's not, by the way, but that's her choice.)
- Glen Mistletoe
Glen, but you don't drive around with a flame-retardant suit do you? How many people have died from this strain of the virus? How many people have died from the flu this year?
- Jesse Stay
The vaccine hasn't been made yet (although its in production) and its "spreading" quickly
- Nicholas James
Jesse, I suppose people are more scared of swine flu than of regular flu because it's a new strain and nobody knew at first what to expect in terms of virulence and mortality rates. Now that we are getting a clearer picture, I would expect things to get more rational.
- Ray Metzen
Inteferon, as the wikipedia article points out is actually naturally produced by some immunue cells.
- Roberto Bonini
Jesse it is more dangerous - Swine Flu is just anticipated to a world-wide problem BUT people need to remember the case with Bird Flu which was meant to be a world-wide problem and didn't affect anyone as near as it was anticipated.
- Nicholas James
Nicholas, based on what numbers is it more dangerous? Seems to me normal flu is killing more people.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the WHO does NOT declare pandemic alerts for the common flu. I'd rather be overly pessimistic and prepare for the worse, than stand idly by. Better safe than sorry.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, thats because the common flu is already a pandemic.
- Jesse Stay
My wife tells me Swine flu is also less contagious than regular flu - anyone have data to confirm that?
- Jesse Stay
Roberto where are you seeing that projected toll, and for what country?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse my first part was referring to regular flu and the latter was regarding the Swine Flu - people are just concerned over Swine Flu because of the massive media attention being forced on it currently (to take people's minds off that we're in a recession)
- Nicholas James
Now read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... "The World Health Organization (WHO) warns that there is a substantial risk of an influenza pandemic within the next few years. One of the strongest candidates is a highly pathogenic variation of the H5N1 subtype of Influenza A virus. As of 2006, prepandemic influenza vaccines are being developed against the most likely suspects...
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- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, from that article, "But the World Health Organization cautions that it cannot say whether it will cause a pandemic."
- Jesse Stay
Jesse can you predict the state of humanity with any accurancy in 6 months???? Virology is science, not magic or fortune telling.
- Roberto Bonini
Nope. But my point is if you are going to err, err on the side of caution. That seems to be the thinking at CDC and WHO.
- Roberto Bonini
My point on this is why are people rushing to the stores now - this, according to current data, is less dangerous than the common flu. As always, everyone should be prepared, but it doesn't need to be all at once. I've had the normal flu numerous times and it's not fun, but I don't have any conditions to make it dangerous. If I did, you bet I would have already been prepared by now. Those without these conditions, IMO, don't need to be worried.
- Jesse Stay
Could you live with the fact that a few million deaths may have been prevented had people been warned????
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, a few million deaths of what type of person? Those with asthmatic conditions, those who are old or have weak immune systems, or the average person? The average person will get sick, but won't die from this - there's nothing to worry if you have no pre-existing conditions that would make this dangerous. It's a bunch of FUD.
- Jesse Stay
So, people who have pre-existing conditions who die are unavoidable fatalities?? What do you define as an average persion??
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, no, they should be the ones preparing. Not the masses. They're exactly the same people that should be prepared for normal flu. The problem is, the media and government are getting the masses scared, when the most important individuals are the ones that really need to be prepared. We're treating it different from normal flu when it really isn't.
- Jesse Stay
Reason why h5n1 (bird flu) didn't go on to be a pandemic is cause it can't make the leap of human to human transmission. So far with mexican flu (since it's not strictly swine flu) there have only been about 20 confirmations of the strain actually killing anyone - it's believed a 2nd infection is what is doing the killing. The fact that it has been known about since march & only infected 2500 people makes it a slow burner. And of course it has similar symptoms to spanish flu, they're both h1n1 varients!
- alphaxion
there's no specific vaccine yet, as it is new, and flu's been nasty in the past - they worry about this for normal flu too, every year
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So, how do you know if you have a pre-existing condition?? On the other hand, how do you know that if you don't have a pre existing condition, the virus won't get you??
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, it's the same way you know if you have a pre-existing condition with the normal flu.
- Jesse Stay
Roberto, in answer to your second question, you don't, but if the virus gets you, your chances of dying are slim to none based on current stats surrounding this strain.
- Jesse Stay
Ah, alphaxion the WHO upgraded its alert to phase 4. which says (from the WHO website) "Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks.” The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic. Any...
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- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, in fact, based on current stats, your chances of dying with the normal flu are greater if you get it.
- Jesse Stay
My point is jesse, is that you don't need a pre-exisitng condition to die from this thing.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, you don't need a pre-existing condition to die from the normal flu
- Jesse Stay
Roberto thats the same with Regular Flu...it has similar symptoms
- Nicholas James
If you're in good health and notice that it is the flu, you'll just be sick. Of course a lot of people sick for 2 weeks is already pretty disruptive.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
this latest h1n1 (mexican flu) is certainly human to human communicable and so warrents a move to phase 4.. but it is doing so at a much slower rate than the spanish flu, also that the deaths, 23 month baby not included, have been in mexico while those outside have recovered/are recovering.. again, the baby not counted. When we start getting those that have been infected and are outside of mexico dying, then it'll show greater likelihood of being dangerous, until then containment is the best course.
- alphaxion
Joelle, same with Swine Flu. It's those that remain sick and develop pneumonia or similar symptoms that are in trouble. That's why you should always see a Doctor immediately if things get worse, with any sickness.
- Jesse Stay
But, i concede your point, that AT THE MOMENT, there is insufficent data. The fear of the WHO and CDC is the virus will mutate into stronger forms, and, given its diverse DNA base, turn uniformly fatal.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, it's still a bunch of FUD until the current data changes.
- Jesse Stay
and all this panic is simply crying wolf. The major worry out of this is that mexican flu travels to southern asia, meets and has a party with bird flu... h5n1 gaining human to human transmission is a big worry.
- alphaxion
Which should not be long, given the veritable increase in cases across the world.
- Roberto Bonini
alphaxion; Swine flu has bird flu genetic material already.
- Roberto Bonini
I won't be worrying until further mutations happen. As always, I'll always remain prepared though.
- Jesse Stay
@roberto: you are aware there are countless strains of bird flu right? the DNA it already has isn't that of the particular strain of h5n1 that caused so much worry. Thankfully that strain is only obtainable from direct contact with birds rather than human to human. And of course the chances of that mutation happenning in our lifetimes is extremely low.
- alphaxion
Yes, I'm aware of that fact, and the same goes for human flu and any other virus.
- Roberto Bonini
bir kaç güvenlik düzenlemesi, hep hikaye. neyse update ettik.
- irfan ÖZTÜRK
Changelog says they fixed an issues that caused Firefox to lose stored cookies. That alone makes the update worthwhile -- if the issue is indeed fixed.
- Ray Metzen
Ray, umm you're right. I hope we don't lose our delicious cookies :)
- Alp
absolutely - I don't subscribe to non-English speaking users because I can't read their content. If this feature was in place, I might be more inclined to subscribe to them
- Nathan Chase
Sounds like a useful option, but it would all depend on the quality of the translation. Poor translations have the potential to cause a lot of confusion, misunderstandings and heated arguments.
- Ray Metzen
I think every user would like this feature :)
- Nicholas James
I'd love to interact with non-English writers on FriendFeed.
- Kol Tregaskes
Sure, it's a rainy day. But, if I'm standing right in front of the place, it's a little too late for the sign. What am I going to do, turn around and go back to work so I can call in a delivery order?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
from email
Yep, Tina is definitely worth following. She was one of the first people I subscribed to, and still one of my favorite FFers.
- Ray Metzen
if you are "checking out friendfeed" ;o) Tina should one of your first subs. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
why is this not coming into the subscribe sunday filter?
- Rob Sellen :o)
you mean there are people who aren't subscribed to Tina??
- Parth Awasthi
Thanks for joining in, Rob. Yep I'll second your choice in Tina, excellent FFer. If anyone else wants to recommend a fellow FFer, why not join in here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ff-subs...
- Kol Tregaskes
Oy, I am so sick of all her food posts...and she's always so dirty...and when I say dirty, I mean literally. Always mucking around in her yard. Oh, hey Tina! Anyhow, I'm obviously just messin' around because she's like the butter on the toast that is friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
Ya'll are too sweet =) But since I really like butter, I'll accept being the butter on the toast of FF. Or perhaps the honey, I like honey too....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Fn-Shift-F11 to do a print screen while running Windows 7 in Boot Camp on a MacBook Pro. Obscure enough for ya ;-). It took me awhile to find this.
- Alan Le
Ctrl-Alt-Down - works only if the Intel Graphic Media driver is installed, though. It turns your desktop upside down, use Ctrl-Alt-Up to reverse the effect.
- Ray Metzen
@vijay: I tried it and the lights turned off next door. Neat!
- Jemm
Ray, left and right arrows work, too. There's a checkbox in the Dell video driver settings to enable/disable it. We used to get tons of calls at the helpdesk until we started disabling it. "MY COMPUTER IS TURNED SIDEWAYS!!!"
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
Jemm, that IS "neat". But it's supposed to do other stuff too. Oh well, as long as it didn't rain Pink Elephants everyone's fine I guess.
- vijay
Ctrl < and Ctrl > for moving through emails in a folder in Outlook.
- Alex Scoble
ha3rvey - yep, works in any direction. I've found though that the effect on unsuspecting users is best if you turn it upside down ;)
- Ray Metzen
Ctrl UP/DOWN for talking to xbacklight. Sweet tweak!
- Kevin Gamble
Oh, and dare I mention gmail's (& readers) j & k & n & p. Those are probably my most pressed buttons.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
@Kevin, thanks for the last one, it's much better now!
- Лёша, не обобщай
it's actually: cmd+shift+4 space – takes a neat screenshot of a window with all mac's shadows and stuff. really great feature for a designer of any kind. I miss autoscrolling within the window while screenshoting, though.
- Лёша, не обобщай
alt+cmd+esc ... or shift+s on boot-up so I can run applejack ... (mac)
- Brandon
j/k on web apps that supports it. CTRL+T and CTRL+W on ff browser. ;)
- AJ Batac
Windows+Pause/Break, brings up system properties. =p
- Daniel Bruce
ctrl-shift-T to undo close tab on Firefox. It works in Chrome as well.
- Alan Le
control-. (period) in Visual Studio to bring down the smarttag dropdown to add references, etc
- Paul Whitaker
Customer Service: After getting my hair cut at the same place for several years, I decided to go to a barber shop rather than a "quick" barber. The experience was fantastic. The barber was kind, talkative, and did a wonderful job telling stories. I left with a smile; now that is real customer service.
I'll never understand why people want their barber to tell them stories. Am I the only one who wants them to concentrate on the job at hand when they work on my head with sharp tools? Stories is what the interwebs are for ;)
- Ray Metzen
He raises some very valid points there, I wouldn't call that nitpicking. I don't use TweetDeck full time for pretty much the same reasons Steven brings up in the article.
- Ray Metzen
@Ray .. I think that Josh meant that in a good way .. at least that is how I interpreted it given his kudos :)
- Steven Hodson
Hmm, yeah, I think you're right :) Anyways, good article, hopefully the devs read it and take it to heart.
- Ray Metzen
"Windows only: Free application Portable Ubuntu for Windows runs an entire Linux operating system as a Windows application. As if that weren't cool enough, it's portable, so you can carry it on your thumb drive."
- Kamath (नमः)
from Bookmarklet
Interesting idea, has anyone tried it yet?
- Ray Metzen
I've used Knoppix for years, but haven't tried this. Worth a shot!
- jojo, adventurer
But his budget is for the people, you know. Not the military-industrial complex (which, we all know, was employing cyborgs and not people like me)
- Craig Eddy
"President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday." -- WOW, just wow.
- Craig Eddy
The Google mail service was offline from about 4:30 a.m. until 7:00 a.m. ET (or from 9:30 a.m. till noon for nations on Greenwich Mean Time) 24 Feb 2009
- Ray Metzen
Google and a group of partners have released a set of tools designed to help broadband customers and researchers measure performance of Internet connections.
- Ray Metzen
"Zimbabwe's central bank says it will soon introduce a 100 trillion dollar note as the once prosperous country battles to keep pace with hyperinflation that has caused many to abandon the country's currency."
- Ray Metzen
from Bookmarklet
"The Beerbelly is a fake beer belly: a beer "bladder" that fits stealthily and comfortably around your waist and features a feeder tube to bring the brew to papa. Say adios to $10 beers at the game and hello to the beer belly..."
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
"The Wine Rack drink dispensing sports bra will increase your bust line by 2 cup sizes AND get you and your friends buzzed"
- Jess Lee
Now if that bear belly thing came with refrigeration, I might be interested, but beer at body temperature... I think I pass.
- Ray Metzen
Ray, the Beer Belly has an ice pack you can use to chill the beer. The Wine Rack doesn't though, so red wine would be best... ;-)
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Hilarious! But it seems so much easier to add booze to any screw-cap drink bottle. Besides, I'd get some odd looks wearing the Wine Rack. :)
- Chris Prince
It's common practice for gate-keepers to inspect and take a whiff of any soda bottles on-hand. I can't see them getting close enough to inspect the beer belly or wine rack.
- Bill Strathearn
My friend hid a bottle inside a loaf of bread. I guess they allowed food but not alcohol.
- David Tapper
True, the common cold is highly contagious—spurred by more than 100 viruses that are spread when inhaled or picked up from tainted surfaces and rubbed into an eye or the mouth or a nostril. But beyond frequent hand washing, there are a number of ways that people can raise their immunity:
- Ray Metzen
"Firefox will reportedly drop Google search as the default search engine in favor of Russian-based Yandex in official Russian builds of version 3.1."
- Ray Metzen
from Bookmarklet
I've got mixed emotions on this one, Users can not only edit their comments but they can delete them. The "ownership" of your own words is powerful but a double edged sword in a public forum. The words can be changed, thereby destroying the apparent validity of replies which have been made in good conscience by their authors. This is very dangerous I think. In other cases, comments can disappear rendering a whole conversation meaningless for historical reference. I just had a case of a user removing a comment that had a link to a news story and almost all the subsequent comments referred in one way or another to the link (which was great and on topic). A week later, with the users comment gone, the thread is uselss for historical reference. I'm not sure where the boundry line should be drawn, but perhaps you could consider at least leaving in the line with something to effect <comment deleted by author: Author name>
- David HC Soul
+1 David. I agree that commenters should have the right to delete their comments, but that needs to be documented somehow. Otherwise an entire sequence of comments can appear totally nonsensical. For the same reason edited comments should be marked somehow. Adding something like "deleted/edited by ... at ..." should do the trick.
- Ray Metzen
I don't mind marking "comment deleted" and "comment edited" but that is the most I want. I don't want any sort of cache of what once was there. If I delete a comment or a message, it's for a reason. I don't do it all willy nilly and if someone is, then you probably shouldn't be following them anyway. I really wish people would stop bringing this up though. It's not a big deal if someone deletes their comment or message. It really isn't.
- Mattie Kenny
dear <not quite clear on the concept> It matters not if I follow you, or you follow me. The FoF concept means you can comment on a topic I started and it is part of the publicly visible thread for anyone who for any reason/method has access to it. When your comment appears it may be responded by anyone with access to the thread whether they follow you or not (or vice versa). If you remove your comment it disrupts the flow and everybody in the thread is potentially poorer; hence my suggestion to mitigate
- David HC Soul
Part of the social contract that exists in this kind of medium is that you don't delete your old comments if there is further content based off them. That seems to work pretty well, except when it doesn't. What is missing, and I agree with Mattie Kenny, is an indication that something is amiss, documentation saying that a comment was deleted.
- Andy Bakun
I could see the ability to delete or edit (or an indicator of such existing) being based on if there are further comments after the comment in question. If your comment is the last one, you can edit or delete (possible race condition since the whole thing is async). If you want to edit a comment that occurred previously, the best way is to add a new comment adding more data/position -- this is just like real life, where we don't have time machines and can not take back what has occurred.
- Andy Bakun
@David Who is your second comment responding to or is it just an elaboration on your previous point. Because I am clear on the concept and I am saying that if someone is constantly abusing the system than you should probably not follow them and/or block them because they are abusing the system. Most people I've come into contact with rarely delete comments and when it's done, it is done for a specific reason. That's there prerogative regardless of how it messes up the flow of a conversation.
- Mattie Kenny
@David My point was that being alerted that someone has edited or deleted a comment is a good idea, but having a cache of all the comments I've deleted is not. I've deleted them for a reason and I want them to stay deleted. So yes, I was clear on the concept. If you were referring to me, there was no need to be rude about it.
- Mattie Kenny
Mattie hits it on the head right there. I support a placeholder indicating that a comment was deleted. Timestamps of last edit would help curb these problems also.
- Andy Bakun
Timestamp of deletion would be good too, make it easier to tell when people start commenting after a comment is removed.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
This happened to be the other day. I posted up a job with MySpace (Fox Interactive) and someone posted up a link which was video on how Fox News forces people to say things on their broadcasts. I then commented on that video. Then the person who commented, deleted their comment which made it look like I was talking to myself.
- Amani
Mattie: my proposal was exactly to put a place holder in the thread, I explicitly stated that author ownership of comments is a very powerful concept. Unfortunately If someone is abusing the system Unfollowing them doesn't solve the problem - it might be that I never followed them (or them me in the first place). The reason I raised this in the first place was a similar situation to Amani's comment just above.
- David HC Soul
In the case that happened to me, about a week later I saw a new post (And I think it was by the same individual that deleted his own comment from the thread I had started) with a link to the same source he had made before. I can see the person starting their own thread if he wishes (although I wonder why) but I am incredulous that they felt the need to delete their prior entry in "my" thread. It left several people look like they made comments out of thin air and destroyed the historical use of the thread
- David HC Soul
That's an interesting problem, David. I'd like to see something that encourages people to "join" threads or entries (I have no idea how the "related item" thing works). The ability to refer to other top level entries in a comment directly (without having to paste in the URL to its friendfeed page) would help.
- Andy Bakun
from IM
Mattie - it was directed to <not clear on the concept> - the one who decided that they only wanted the information on a thread they started. I truly feel such an individual is not clear on the concept of Friend of Friend. I'm sorry for proximity to your comment being "rude' - no such attack intended.
- David HC Soul
@David Ah. My mistake. I think whoever you were referring to is someone I'm blocking! ha! I don't block many people so now I'm curious who could be. :-P
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
For what it's worth, here's the conversation that sparked the entry in this room: http://friendfeed.com/e... Without the missing link to a NY times article and original discusion as to why Wolfram's work was relevant one would wonder where the subsequent discussion came from and are deprived of the link and usefulness of the conversation in general
- David HC Soul
Do we favor the "rights" of the content poster to edit/delete or favor the "rights" of everyone else not to be confused?
- Andy Bakun
from IM
Mattie, a "comment from user you have blocked" indicator would help with that "am I missing something from someone I have blocked?" problem.
- Andy Bakun
@Mattie - I'm not 100% sure so I won't name names ;) .... I might do a screen capture the next time I see them post on one of my topics and then watch, If I do catch them I will simply block them (they will be my first block).
- David HC Soul
I just noticed that the tooltip/title on the talk balloons to the left of the comments says how long ago the comment was made.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, how come I didn't notice that! Thanks for the heads-up!
- Isha (Marysia)
A real issue indeed. Placeholder or inability to edit/delete if later comments exist sounds good.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
If we weren't able to edit/delete if later comments exist then you may as well not even give us the option to edit. You have the right to change, take back, completely remove whatever comment you'd like regardless of how everyone else feels or how it screws up the conversation. All that should be there is a placeholder showing that there once was a message there. If I'm not able to delete my comments anymore, I may not comment period. I rarely delete comments, but having that ability removed will ruin my XP
- Mattie Kenny